I finally found the secret of the intro music! It's binary, a low tone is a 0 and a high tone is a 1, that gives you 01101000 01101001, which translates to "hi" in ASCII
CGP, Adblock would not exist if early internet advertising weren't so intrusive. Popups over popups over popups, half of them with unmutable sound. Flash advertisings in a era where every byte/sec lost was a precious time wasted. On youtube is usually cool, but every now and then some genious think it's a good idea to make a side banner with sound on mouse movement even after the normal video is playing.
I agree. The immutable video ads that open in the corner of pages is what drove me to adblock. And unskippable YT ads twice as long as the video itself didn't help, nor the unskippable ads that fail to load altogether.
Thwacker71 In my travels through RUclips I haven't ever found long unskippable ads, I believe the longest they are allowed to be without having a skip button appear after 5 seconds is 30 seconds. And most adverts do not use that capability, I've even seen 20 second adverts which I can skip. I also think that if an ad isn't managing to load on the page, the video itself would be unable to load either.
Before I disabled adblock on youtube, I often had the add not load and the video load just fine. Even noscript is often enough as the adds load from a different domain than youtube itself. 2mdn.net seems to be the source of most of the adds. There is a very similar domain name that serves malicious content, so I blocked it for a long time.
I wish media platforms such as RUclips would consider this - We live with physical ads all the time in real life and most of us are fine with it. Why? I believe it's because they do not hinder our immediate goals. Imagine if you're at a train station and you're required to watch an ad before the train doors would open. Even if there were a skip option after 10 seconds of the ad, I bet it would annoy you and encourage some to find a way to disable it. I am totally fine with content creators reading ads from their sponsors, simply because I like their voices. They know how to pace themselves and get into the ads and the products/services they talked abt are often connected to the content or themselves. Ads read by a third party or read too often are not good either. I don't know the psychology terms of annoying people thinking the annoyance would make them buy stuff but these two would be good examples of it. People will find ways to block or remove anything that annoys them. Therefore ad blockers are not going away. Media platforms such as RUclips should find ways to make ads more hindrance-free.
Jonathan Marhold Window shopping in malls is free. Walking on the streets is free. Ads can be found in both scenarios but they don't shove themselves in your face nor hinder your plans. The key to make more people accept ad placements is to make sure the ads don't cause annoyance and in turn people would less likely to install ad blockers. An alternative is to give incentives to people who would watch ads; A way to make people feel they have to collect something for a prolonged period of time (mobile games do this). It doesn't have to be real money, maybe a digital currency for some extra but meaningful customization options on the website or mini games.
Late response, buuut. On TV, I PAY for TV. I shouldn't have to watch ads on a service that I pay for. However, on RUclips, I don't pay. So watching ads is fine (and thus, I don't use AdBlock).
true but you are paying the smallest fraction possible. you basically pay the cable company and then they pay a part of that to the network. now the actual shows that you watch put a lot of money into production and it simply isn't possible to get returns on it just from the viewer hence ads let them make a good profit and we get to watch t.v. for way lesser.
I use ad blocking software in the same way as C.P.G. Grey, but for notably different reasons. Firstly, commercials are a large reason I haven't watched Television in over 10 years, they ANGER me. Secondly, the tactics I find in internet advertisements is deplorable, vicious, and should be illegal in some cases, and that isn't even when talking about the ones that intentionally hack the viewers. If advertisements were less intrusive, I might hate them less, but then they would be less cost effective. So because the advertiser wants to do anything to maximize profits they no longer get mine. I do still whitelist the sites//users I want to support, but even then there are some sights I want to support but because of the nature of their advertisers I can't tolerate.
My main motivation for using adblockers is because ad providers have been generally poor at making sure that the ads they serve aren't laced with malware. After multiple incidents I don't want to take that risk anymore.
Another thing to consider with Ads is that they take up a lot of computing power. If a webpage has 2-3 flash banners (which is the case in many times) that just murders the performance of a weaker machine.
I'm so glad you brought up Hoarders. Just the discomfort you express of the word "trinket" makes me think that you might be violently sick if you were to watch something like Hoarders. lol
@23:00 I love getting rid of clutter and old items. How I feel about trinkets is that if it doesn't have a nice, organized place to display it, I trash it. So, we have display cabinets-like a little museum as Brady said. My husband loves posters and our rule is, if it's not good enough to spend money on a frame, trash it!
Damn, I really like Grey's attitude towards stuff. Ideally I would like to live the same way, but I just never have the motivation or something to get rid of my stuff. Perhaps mostly because I'd sell my stuff rather than just give or throw it away, and selling isn't the easiest thing to do.
"I'm not even sure if we'll even make it to ten...we might run out of things to talk about!" *me, watching in the future, knowing that there's 91+ episodes of this podcast* you guys have nothing to worry about
It's so funny to catch up with this podcast and listen to your worries whether or not you're going to make it to the #10 and seeing that by now you made twice as much. I guess being slightly overly cautious is part of CGP Grey's charm. ^^
If you hate the word trinkets, call them baubles. I believe it is a much smoother word that evokes sentimental value more effectively. EDIT: Food for thought, CGP: If you are disgusted by the idea of "archiving" your life, as you put it, and having to maintain space in your home for it, then if, say, in the future, some form of hyper-compact storage mechanism for three-dimensional objects becomes available, making storing mementos as easy as storing pictures, would you then collect baubles like you do pictures? Some important considerations: Physical objects carry a different weight than do pictures; pictures "describe" an event, whereas mementos both "describe" an event, insofar as what transpired can be divined from the object, and exist as a "product" of the event. A picture's description of events is more comprehensive in some respects than a bauble, and vice versa. For example: A picture might be able to tell a man exactly where he played catch with his father when he was younger, but the baseball they used might be able to tell him how often they played catch. The sentimental worth of an object is quantified differently than that of a picture. Whereas a picture is worth strictly what it depicts, for memory's sake, there is additional value in an object derived from you, the memory holder, using that object, you, the memory holder, manipulating that object, you, the memory holder, receiving that object. Just interested in knowing.
Grey, Somethings don't hold their value in a photo, and won't be held in a museum. Like a hand written letter from your grandmother. It meant the world to you, she saved your life. This letter is the letter that encouraged you to not jump off that edge and to get back on the horse. Holding that in your hand, the actually letter, it has a special value.
It sounds like the perfect gift for CGPgrey would be a flash drive with the information stored on it being the actual gift. He could even return the drive in order to be get it again with different information.
Oh my gosh, I LOVED hearing about all grey's particularities, I spent alot of the podcast just engulfed in mirth. It was a (perhaps oddly) affectionate amusement, for some reason it just made me laugh - uncontrollably at times - and I really enjoyed that part
Grey explains the way I feel about "stuff" so well! An empty apartment is a happy apartment. I'm not saying I can't have stuff, but I just don't want to see it *assaulting* my eyes forever and ever when I walk into a room.
An alternative word for infringement is trespass. I am a US Patent attorney and just as a deed defines the metes and bounds of real property, the claims of a patent define the boundaries of your intellectual property. Someone who steps into that defined boundary is trespassing on your property. (Sorry for repeating this point, but I am new to reddit and apparently my earlier post was put somewhere else.) 2.Your statement that a computer user should be free to put whatever software he wants on his computer is obviously restricted that it be non-infringing software. 3.The economic model that describes the minimal impact of an individual yet, in the aggregate is destructive is, "The tragedy of the commons". 4. I too use a list for my traveling needs. 5. Keep up the good work and (although I recognize the irony of the following statement) don't pay too much attention to comments. The reason that we (I) listen is because we like you as you are. -Rob S.
you guys are awesome, but I'm so behind because I want to listen to the entire podcast / video / whatever you want to call it, and the are ... (surprise) long. please keep going.
It's a good point that you mention ad blockers, because I noticed that I'd left AdBlock on for RUclips. I usually turn it off for RUclips, and websites that ask nicely, or that I use frequently. My position is that as long as a website doesn't lose functionality due to advertisement, or that I personally find worth the inconvenience, then I'm happy to watch ads. I mostly use AdBlock to prevent viruses, especially when protecting someone else's computer; it's far more effective than anti-viral software, because most viruses span from "you're computer is missing [x], click here to install".
If you keep ads on but click the "Skip Ad" option, does the content creator still get some ad revenue? If I knew skipping ads wasn't supporting the content creator I'd be more inclined to sit through them.
the way I understand it a creator still gets revenue when you skip the ad if either half of the ad has played or 30 seconds have passed. Whichever comes first.
+Brynn Ross As +Michael Arntz says I don't think you have to sit through the whole thing, but if you immediately skip it the created doesn't get anything. I don't know how much you have to see, Michael might be right. Go and give $1 to creators once on Patreon (or by bying merch) and you can skip the ads for a couple of years with a clean conscience :)
+Michael Arntz but the skip ad button is available right after 5 seconds of the ad. I rather the content creators read ads from their sponsors than watching some commercial on stuff I don't need.
It feels so weird hearing the origin story of freebooting and how grey thought it sounded strange. I didn't know Brady coined the word, despite hearing it before. It seems so natural after hearing it before.
I only resorted to ad blocking software after the advertisers made the ads flash or otherwise animate, which is very distracting... and then it escalated to them running code on my machine to cover the page while their ad ran or otherwise force me to interact. If the advertisers would go back to still ads on a web page that do not force me to read it before I can proceed to the page I am trying to reach, then I will stop using ad blockers. At least on sites like RUclips you have the option to skip an ad you have already seen. I appreciate that and watch ads that I have not seen for products that are relevant to me.
CPG Grey, I am one of your subable subscribers. And I use adblock. I try pay any content creators that I watch content from (though options are not always open). I hate advertising mainly because I find most of them insulting. I wonder how you would feel about a paid adblocking service, that pays dividends to content creators who get their ad blocked by their service... not sure how well that would work...
i like to hoard knowledge and my mind can get a little bit over-crowded, so i compensate by getting rid of physical things. a clear room calms me down, which is partly why i love the interior design of most traditional japanese homes - it's _very_ minimalist. also, less stuff means less dusting and cleaning, and most importantly, less baggage to drag you down. the faster you can evacuate, and the less stuff you have to carry, the better. plus, not buying random trinkets and other decorative paraphernalia is great for saving up $$ for useful, higher quality stuff - a new laptop maybe, or better plane tickets, an extra day in a foreign country, concert tickets, that sort of thing. my only weakness in this regard are books, but even then i have to have read and loved a certain book (and plan to re-read segments of it in the future) in order to buy it. aaand my computer, which is like an agglomeration of a billion stuff organized in a way only i can ever hope to navigate.
I totally agree with Grey about trying to have as few things as possible. Many times people think this is really weird, but this also continues to things like cameras and taking pictures.
Not having ads is a strange and beautiful thing, I live in São Paulo, rarely watch TV, and I use adblock; so for the last three years I've lived close to a ad free live. Now it became a very alien experience to see or watch ads. Whenever I take the Metro is a whole new world, here there are giant semi-tubular sings telling me to go watch the new transformers or some crap like that. Oh! and a small note: some businesses sings were taken down due to the billboards law, but only because they were too big, therefore also considered visual pollution.
Ads are supposed to be a company informing the consumer that their product or service exists. Unfortunately, we have companies like Mcdonalds, who have the ability(cash money) to flood your subconscious with commercials of the same thing "This is Mcdonalds, we sell food" which forces other companies(the ones not in your subconscious) to do the same(now they are), creating a mass ripple effect of ever increasing advertising, devaluing the Ad-Cent, and making everyone sit through 3 minute youtube ads for a 2 minute video. -and breathe-
About the intro sound, it has always reminded me of Prince of Persia 2: the shadow and the flame theme song. Yes, I'm revealing my age here, and that game came out when I was in middle school. Does the "thing" have to do with the timing of the sounds and a function which describes the lengths of both sounds and silences?
I must run AdBlocking software on RUclips for child safety. Some of the ads I've seen without it are unskippable 30-second ads for Rated-R movies, and I don't want these appearing when showing videos to children, or letting children use a device I'm signed into.
I just love those floaty oil dropper things, I havent seen one in well over a decade. Had 2 when I was a kid. No idea where they are. Now I kinda miss them.
As someone who leans towards the side of keeping too many physical objects Grey's possession a version seems to be like a good candidate for something to talk with a therapist about.
The whole ads thing on RUclips is more a YT problem. I could live with the small popups at the bottom in the past but when they started blasting unskippable ads twice or thrice the length of the actual video itself, coupled with the fact that sometimes the ad loads instants while the actual video stutters, that was the last straw. I do whitelist sites in Adblock that I want to support, but RUclips is just too much.
I know this is old as. and i remember theme talking about this somewhere else but i still agree this word free freebooting or making a living from piracy is part of the best options
Adblock: No one really thinks about the technical or aesthetical part of it. I personally can NOT keep ads on Twitch. Every ad WILL invariably break my player. After the ad is done, the player will be grey, I can hear the streamer but I can't see anything so I have to reload the page which then loads the initial ad that streams have which then breaks my player again. I CAN'T keep ads on because then I can't watch the streams. Aesthetically, many sites have quite obtrusive ads. Pop-ups, banners that cover parts of the content, loud ads, animated ads, etc. I don't want to see that. I use adblock plus as follows: It's off and then if I go to a site and it's horribly desfigured or broken, I will turn it on for that site.
Moscow Metro has no advertisement on stations but a lot of advertisement inside trains. However ticket price is much cheaper than everywhere in Europe compared to average local salary as far as I remember.
As for ad-blocking, I do think that not have to watch advertisement should be the default at the moment it is the opposite. Make your argument for support and let the users decide if they want to use their life time which is the real payment here to support your life ( pre-rolled ads on the videos). There also must be different way to support efforts like youtube without the need of getting advertised to even more.
Wait, so if say we are uni students, too poor for Subable, but still wanting to support our favorite RUclipsrs, does clicking random adds on the channel help? Also, I don't understand why advertisements are so unanimously considered bad. Some commercials can be quite entertaining. I know you mentioned their utility at the end, but some ads are pretty or funny too.
in my case, I use ad blocking software on my computer, but I also watch about 2/3 of the videos that I watch on a mobile device where there is no ad blocking software available, so for me that justifies my use of ad blocking software on my computer
It sounded like you guys were talking about Brady's "bible deck" channel. Now that can't be right, can it? About ads: Grey's dilemma exists, it seems to me, because he's looking for a simple one-size-fits-all answer, and he knows that's not possible, but feels it OUGHT to be possible. Deducing categorical imperatives from flawlessly consistent, true first principles simply doesn't work (not usually, anyhow); it's bad philosophically. There's every reason to expect that many, if not most, ethical truths must account for context. In the case of ads, look at the cultural situation: we are all of us used to thinking of ads as shameless attempts to control our thoughts, emotions, and behavior through means that are dishonest and manipulative. There's a big difference between you reading an ad for Square Space (if you really believe what you're saying, and treat your listeners with respect) and the sort of thing every giant (and nearly every small) corporation does when they want to sell us crap we don't want or need. AdBlock's success is the response of consumers disgusted at being abused on the internet. It's as simple as that. If advertisers had a sense of restraint, decency, and respect for their customers -- as google did when they first started using small, unobtrusive ads -- then the "very existence" of the internet would not be threatened by services like AdBlock. And let's be honest: just because ads are so prevalent as a funding source now, that doesn't mean it HAD to be that way. Assuming there was no practical alternative shows a lack of imagination.
Sorry, but I am so used to not having any interfering ads now, I feel like I would go crazy to have them back. Remembering the ad days is like remembering dial-up.
As someone who just recently moved to Japan, I can say... Avoid public restrooms unless you desperately need it. They are basically holes in the ground with small footholds to bend down. Anyone who is interested in japan, but not interested in a Tokyo sized density I Would check out Nagoya. In area the city is much bigger than NYC but a little smaller in population. There are tons of greenery and lots of English translations and lots more Romaji(where they spell words phonetically with roman characters).
I was about to say that the public spaces (i.e. roads) would be payed for the advertisements, not the buildings, since the road traffic is much more valuable than store traffic, but I just remembered that the buildings billboards are generally put are owned by businesses, not the public utilities that go past. Just putting this here on the off chance someone about to make the mistake I almost did sees it.
I love these podcasts grey can you talk about like important topics like the plane getting shot down or is that not what you want your podcasts to be like?
Gray said he doesn't mind keeping digital things because he doesn't need to see them. Well I just put my fysical thing memories in a shelf and never look at them again
I disagree with Grey's explanation for his stance on adblock software. I believe every consumer, every internet user, should have control over their internet experience. We should be able to choose which advertisements we want to be subjected to, just like we have the choice to skip over commercials or sit through them. Grey, you even use adblock and choose for yourself which sites you whitelist. Adblock software blocks malicious advertising as well.
I found this episode, and all the other ones about piracy, very amusing. I really liked the discussion where you compared stealing, infringement and ads. Especially since you are content providers. But I couldn't stand the boiled down argument (paraphrasing): "Ads are great and makes the internet a better place." No, it doesn't! We recognize ads as a necessary evil. In a world where information is everything and the space for its delivery is at a premium, an information consumer really doesn't need the additional noise of ads.
Grey, I am exactly like you in that you let go of physical objects to keep light and keep everything digital. Not that I think it is the way for everyone but that's how I am. :)
Grey clearly has very strong OCD tendencies. It's well known that people like that tend to purge belongings. I can understand the rational behind it but I do keep some meaningful things and not everything I have is super useful. I use adblock. I don't really feel bad about it either, even though in small part I hurt some content creators I feel as the benefits outweigh the problems considering that I spend as much time if not more on the net they say cgp grey. I don't particularly like the idea of a computer algorithm knowing so much about me that it can target ads towards me. In some cases I've made an effort to support a content creator outside of ad revenue either via a twitch sub, patreon etc.
On the topic of adblocking software from the preservative as a software developer and computer enthusiast. I personally use adblocking software. I have no problems with advertisements and would be happy to see them. However, outside of Google Adsense network, there are many malicious use of advertisements in the attempt to spreading viruses and malware through social engineering. For example, you'll often see fake download or play buttons on screens with downloads and videos. I suspect the majority of malicious software being spread can be attributed to these false or misleading advertisements. For this reason, I always encourage the use of adblocking software especially to those that are not computer savy. Other note, I am completely with Grey on being an anti-hoarder! I just wish I could get those around me to be the same way. But people seem to have a sentimental attachment to physical objects which I will never understand. Anyway, if I tried to pack the sink and kitchen as "digital nomad", I couldn't ever live the way I do.
Paying a membership fee to watch videos is not the same business model as ads. With ads you pay about one to two cents of your attention per ad. With a membership fee you pay 13€ a month and you better get in your 1300 Videos to get your money's worth. It's the old MMO subscription thing where you're like "I paid for it, so I better play to get my money's worth, even if I don't want to this month". An adequate comparison would be if you had an account on the website, then you put money into it and for each video you watch you'd pay one cent per ten minutes watched (and once you watched a segment you can freely watch it again two times within the next two days without paying again). Where you'd be "yeah, I'd pay two cents to watch that CGPGrey video, sure".
The Problem with the search for a new phrase is that there are so man different sorts of copyright-infringement. I can only come up 2 terms but they only cover some parts: Citation-Scamming (the one affecting you guys the most) Freegrabbing (like grabbing more than booting)
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Well Brady, you've definitely succeeded in making freebooting a thing. Even Wiktionary now includes your definition for the term!
My absolute favorite H.I. quote so far:
"I have a question."
"Yeah?"
"...What?"
And just the helpless and utter confusion in Brady's voice. XD
I finally found the secret of the intro music! It's binary, a low tone is a 0 and a high tone is a 1, that gives you 01101000 01101001, which translates to "hi" in ASCII
43:40 Grey's wish just came through. Now it IS a worldwide "culture" to wear masks everytime they go outside.
Not in the US though -_-
grey caused corona confirmed
@@hazukifujiwara6023 ILLUMINATI CONFURMED GREY IS AN ILLUMINATI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"fAce MasKs InFrinGe mY WriTeS" is currently worldwide culture too tho
Eh, fuck off with that bs
Grey "I'm worried that we'll run out of things to talk about" me "uhg, I'm never going to get to episode one hundred thirty.
Yes, same
They'll never get to Ep. 137 :0
CGP, Adblock would not exist if early internet advertising weren't so intrusive. Popups over popups over popups, half of them with unmutable sound. Flash advertisings in a era where every byte/sec lost was a precious time wasted.
On youtube is usually cool, but every now and then some genious think it's a good idea to make a side banner with sound on mouse movement even after the normal video is playing.
I agree. The immutable video ads that open in the corner of pages is what drove me to adblock. And unskippable YT ads twice as long as the video itself didn't help, nor the unskippable ads that fail to load altogether.
Thwacker71 In my travels through RUclips I haven't ever found long unskippable ads, I believe the longest they are allowed to be without having a skip button appear after 5 seconds is 30 seconds. And most adverts do not use that capability, I've even seen 20 second adverts which I can skip.
I also think that if an ad isn't managing to load on the page, the video itself would be unable to load either.
***** Nobody's going to subscribe and they'll just hate you for this.
The Crow i dont know who you are or who ur talking to but if your talking to highimpactflix he has over 320k subes
Before I disabled adblock on youtube, I often had the add not load and the video load just fine. Even noscript is often enough as the adds load from a different domain than youtube itself. 2mdn.net seems to be the source of most of the adds. There is a very similar domain name that serves malicious content, so I blocked it for a long time.
Did you guys ever imagine in your wildest dreams that "freebooting" would become the accepted word for that?
So Brady is the one who popularized the term "Freebooting" the more you know
"Won't get to ten" Laughs at #83
more like 95
more like 102 (keep this going till its over people)
112 now
119!
121!
I wish media platforms such as RUclips would consider this - We live with physical ads all the time in real life and most of us are fine with it. Why? I believe it's because they do not hinder our immediate goals. Imagine if you're at a train station and you're required to watch an ad before the train doors would open. Even if there were a skip option after 10 seconds of the ad, I bet it would annoy you and encourage some to find a way to disable it.
I am totally fine with content creators reading ads from their sponsors, simply because I like their voices. They know how to pace themselves and get into the ads and the products/services they talked abt are often connected to the content or themselves.
Ads read by a third party or read too often are not good either. I don't know the psychology terms of annoying people thinking the annoyance would make them buy stuff but these two would be good examples of it.
People will find ways to block or remove anything that annoys them. Therefore ad blockers are not going away. Media platforms such as RUclips should find ways to make ads more hindrance-free.
+llgla well said
*****
What about ads on the walls of malls and fast food restaurants then? They don't annoy us, do they?
RUclips is free, trains are not. RUclips makes money by adds, or by you paying for RUclips Red to remove adds.
Jonathan Marhold
Window shopping in malls is free. Walking on the streets is free. Ads can be found in both scenarios but they don't shove themselves in your face nor hinder your plans. The key to make more people accept ad placements is to make sure the ads don't cause annoyance and in turn people would less likely to install ad blockers.
An alternative is to give incentives to people who would watch ads; A way to make people feel they have to collect something for a prolonged period of time (mobile games do this). It doesn't have to be real money, maybe a digital currency for some extra but meaningful customization options on the website or mini games.
llgla And in the mall there are advertisements everywhere. And I am okay with adds on RUclips.
"I feel silly still talking about this"- eps 5
40 eps later
Still talking about it
Haha
Late response, buuut. On TV, I PAY for TV. I shouldn't have to watch ads on a service that I pay for.
However, on RUclips, I don't pay. So watching ads is fine (and thus, I don't use AdBlock).
true but you are paying the smallest fraction possible. you basically pay the cable company and then they pay a part of that to the network. now the actual shows that you watch put a lot of money into production and it simply isn't possible to get returns on it just from the viewer hence ads let them make a good profit and we get to watch t.v. for way lesser.
I use ad blocking software in the same way as C.P.G. Grey, but for notably different reasons. Firstly, commercials are a large reason I haven't watched Television in over 10 years, they ANGER me. Secondly, the tactics I find in internet advertisements is deplorable, vicious, and should be illegal in some cases, and that isn't even when talking about the ones that intentionally hack the viewers.
If advertisements were less intrusive, I might hate them less, but then they would be less cost effective. So because the advertiser wants to do anything to maximize profits they no longer get mine.
I do still whitelist the sites//users I want to support, but even then there are some sights I want to support but because of the nature of their advertisers I can't tolerate.
Listening to this in 2020 during the coronavirus and when the conversation of face masks comes up I couldnt help but laugh
Its even better in 2022
My main motivation for using adblockers is because ad providers have
been generally poor at making sure that the ads they serve aren't laced
with malware. After multiple incidents I don't want to take that risk
anymore.
Who says that they weren't actively involved?
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Another thing to consider with Ads is that they take up a lot of computing power. If a webpage has 2-3 flash banners (which is the case in many times) that just murders the performance of a weaker machine.
I never knew freebooting came from here. I've been using it for several years, but I just now came across this on my own. Brilliant!
I'm so glad you brought up Hoarders. Just the discomfort you express of the word "trinket" makes me think that you might be violently sick if you were to watch something like Hoarders. lol
3:22 well i'm watching this hour and a half podcast of yours so i dont see why not ;p
@23:00 I love getting rid of clutter and old items. How I feel about trinkets is that if it doesn't have a nice, organized place to display it, I trash it. So, we have display cabinets-like a little museum as Brady said. My husband loves posters and our rule is, if it's not good enough to spend money on a frame, trash it!
Damn, I really like Grey's attitude towards stuff. Ideally I would like to live the same way, but I just never have the motivation or something to get rid of my stuff. Perhaps mostly because I'd sell my stuff rather than just give or throw it away, and selling isn't the easiest thing to do.
"I'm not even sure if we'll even make it to ten...we might run out of things to talk about!" *me, watching in the future, knowing that there's 91+ episodes of this podcast* you guys have nothing to worry about
This is the origin of freebooting?
Hearing Brady compare collecting trinkets to going to the moon has been the highlight of my day so far.
I like freebooting; it also sounds like freeloader which is a very similar idea with a strong negative connotation.
It's so funny to catch up with this podcast and listen to your worries whether or not you're going to make it to the #10 and seeing that by now you made twice as much. I guess being slightly overly cautious is part of CGP Grey's charm. ^^
Crazy that the " mask when you're sick " thing ended up sorta happening
If you hate the word trinkets, call them baubles. I believe it is a much smoother word that evokes sentimental value more effectively.
EDIT:
Food for thought, CGP:
If you are disgusted by the idea of "archiving" your life, as you put it, and having to maintain space in your home for it, then if, say, in the future, some form of hyper-compact storage mechanism for three-dimensional objects becomes available, making storing mementos as easy as storing pictures, would you then collect baubles like you do pictures?
Some important considerations:
Physical objects carry a different weight than do pictures; pictures "describe" an event, whereas mementos both "describe" an event, insofar as what transpired can be divined from the object, and exist as a "product" of the event.
A picture's description of events is more comprehensive in some respects than a bauble, and vice versa. For example: A picture might be able to tell a man exactly where he played catch with his father when he was younger, but the baseball they used might be able to tell him how often they played catch.
The sentimental worth of an object is quantified differently than that of a picture. Whereas a picture is worth strictly what it depicts, for memory's sake, there is additional value in an object derived from you, the memory holder, using that object, you, the memory holder, manipulating that object, you, the memory holder, receiving that object.
Just interested in knowing.
Listening to these old podcasts when you’ve already listened to the newer ones is a whole new level of foreshadowing
Episode 5 is where i caught up with the podcast. The visuals helpt me realize that! Thanks good guy visuals!
Thumbs up for hours long of. 2 voices
don't end these! These podcast's are how I survive mornings!
you guys should keep doing these, this is probably the only podcast i'd sub to
Grey, Somethings don't hold their value in a photo, and won't be held in a museum. Like a hand written letter from your grandmother. It meant the world to you, she saved your life. This letter is the letter that encouraged you to not jump off that edge and to get back on the horse. Holding that in your hand, the actually letter, it has a special value.
It sounds like the perfect gift for CGPgrey would be a flash drive with the information stored on it being the actual gift.
He could even return the drive in order to be get it again with different information.
You person pony sucks
Oh my gosh, I LOVED hearing about all grey's particularities, I spent alot of the podcast just engulfed in mirth. It was a (perhaps oddly) affectionate amusement, for some reason it just made me laugh - uncontrollably at times - and I really enjoyed that part
Grey explains the way I feel about "stuff" so well! An empty apartment is a happy apartment. I'm not saying I can't have stuff, but I just don't want to see it *assaulting* my eyes forever and ever when I walk into a room.
43:41 is a particularly relevant point for 2020
I love watching this in the future to hear them talking about possibly not making it to 10 and then looking at the 94 video playlist
*finishes listening, looks to search bar, sees adblock, cringes intensely, deletes immediately*
You have changed my ways, good on you guys
I completely empathize with CPGGrey's minimalist philosophy. It is a great feeling to not be burdened with decorations.
So all the things that occupy the video while you guys talk must belong to Brady, right?
An alternative word for infringement is trespass. I am a US Patent attorney and just as a deed defines the metes and bounds of real property, the claims of a patent define the boundaries of your intellectual property. Someone who steps into that defined boundary is trespassing on your property. (Sorry for repeating this point, but I am new to reddit and apparently my earlier post was put somewhere else.) 2.Your statement that a computer user should be free to put whatever software he wants on his computer is obviously restricted that it be non-infringing software. 3.The economic model that describes the minimal impact of an individual yet, in the aggregate is destructive is, "The tragedy of the commons". 4. I too use a list for my traveling needs. 5. Keep up the good work and (although I recognize the irony of the following statement) don't pay too much attention to comments. The reason that we (I) listen is because we like you as you are. -Rob S.
you guys are awesome, but I'm so behind because I want to listen to the entire podcast / video / whatever you want to call it, and the are ... (surprise) long. please keep going.
It's a good point that you mention ad blockers, because I noticed that I'd left AdBlock on for RUclips. I usually turn it off for RUclips, and websites that ask nicely, or that I use frequently.
My position is that as long as a website doesn't lose functionality due to advertisement, or that I personally find worth the inconvenience, then I'm happy to watch ads. I mostly use AdBlock to prevent viruses, especially when protecting someone else's computer; it's far more effective than anti-viral software, because most viruses span from "you're computer is missing [x], click here to install".
If you keep ads on but click the "Skip Ad" option, does the content creator still get some ad revenue? If I knew skipping ads wasn't supporting the content creator I'd be more inclined to sit through them.
the way I understand it a creator still gets revenue when you skip the ad if either half of the ad has played or 30 seconds have passed. Whichever comes first.
+Brynn Ross As +Michael Arntz says I don't think you have to sit through the whole thing, but if you immediately skip it the created doesn't get anything. I don't know how much you have to see, Michael might be right.
Go and give $1 to creators once on Patreon (or by bying merch) and you can skip the ads for a couple of years with a clean conscience :)
+Michael Arntz but the skip ad button is available right after 5 seconds of the ad. I rather the content creators read ads from their sponsors than watching some commercial on stuff I don't need.
You've described "Game Theory" Grey. You can apply it to so many topics. Also, you should make a video about it.
I certainly agree with Grey's sentiment of owning less stuff.
43:40 if only every American was as sensible as you at the moment!
41:22 sound like the NO you scream when you're about to lose in a video game
This podcast is so amusing.
It feels so weird hearing the origin story of freebooting and how grey thought it sounded strange. I didn't know Brady coined the word, despite hearing it before. It seems so natural after hearing it before.
I only resorted to ad blocking software after the advertisers made the ads flash or otherwise animate, which is very distracting... and then it escalated to them running code on my machine to cover the page while their ad ran or otherwise force me to interact. If the advertisers would go back to still ads on a web page that do not force me to read it before I can proceed to the page I am trying to reach, then I will stop using ad blockers. At least on sites like RUclips you have the option to skip an ad you have already seen. I appreciate that and watch ads that I have not seen for products that are relevant to me.
so start of this video there thinking damn do we have enough to talk about to make it to 10 episodes well its now i think 73 so...
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CPG Grey, I am one of your subable subscribers. And I use adblock. I try pay any content creators that I watch content from (though options are not always open). I hate advertising mainly because I find most of them insulting. I wonder how you would feel about a paid adblocking service, that pays dividends to content creators who get their ad blocked by their service... not sure how well that would work...
2 Years later... Now we have RUclips Red.
i like to hoard knowledge and my mind can get a little bit over-crowded, so i compensate by getting rid of physical things. a clear room calms me down, which is partly why i love the interior design of most traditional japanese homes - it's _very_ minimalist.
also, less stuff means less dusting and cleaning, and most importantly, less baggage to drag you down. the faster you can evacuate, and the less stuff you have to carry, the better. plus, not buying random trinkets and other decorative paraphernalia is great for saving up $$ for useful, higher quality stuff - a new laptop maybe, or better plane tickets, an extra day in a foreign country, concert tickets, that sort of thing.
my only weakness in this regard are books, but even then i have to have read and loved a certain book (and plan to re-read segments of it in the future) in order to buy it. aaand my computer, which is like an agglomeration of a billion stuff organized in a way only i can ever hope to navigate.
I totally agree with Grey about trying to have as few things as possible. Many times people think this is really weird, but this also continues to things like cameras and taking pictures.
Sounds like Grey really wants some trinkets for Christmas. Everyone, get on it.
It's the 'Watch executive toys from the 90's for an hour channel!'
Not having ads is a strange and beautiful thing, I live in São Paulo, rarely watch TV, and I use adblock; so for the last three years I've lived close to a ad free live. Now it became a very alien experience to see or watch ads. Whenever I take the Metro is a whole new world, here there are giant semi-tubular sings telling me to go watch the new transformers or some crap like that.
Oh! and a small note: some businesses sings were taken down due to the billboards law, but only because they were too big, therefore also considered visual pollution.
"Im not sure we even make it to ten episodes..."
well yeah
Ads are supposed to be a company informing the consumer that their product or service exists.
Unfortunately, we have companies like Mcdonalds, who have the ability(cash money) to flood your subconscious with commercials of the same thing "This is Mcdonalds, we sell food" which forces other companies(the ones not in your subconscious) to do the same(now they are), creating a mass ripple effect of ever increasing advertising, devaluing the Ad-Cent, and making everyone sit through 3 minute youtube ads for a 2 minute video.
-and breathe-
ablanchi I've had entire full length 23 minute and 50 something seconds science videos play as ads for a 10 minute video about WWII.
About the intro sound, it has always reminded me of Prince of Persia 2: the shadow and the flame theme song. Yes, I'm revealing my age here, and that game came out when I was in middle school. Does the "thing" have to do with the timing of the sounds and a function which describes the lengths of both sounds and silences?
I must run AdBlocking software on RUclips for child safety. Some of the ads I've seen without it are unskippable 30-second ads for Rated-R movies, and I don't want these appearing when showing videos to children, or letting children use a device I'm signed into.
"I don't know if we'll even manage eight episodes."
> *eighty* episodes later
"Oh boy, there's just so much to talk about!"
I just love those floaty oil dropper things, I havent seen one in well over a decade. Had 2 when I was a kid. No idea where they are. Now I kinda miss them.
Then: 0:35 "I'm still not sure we'll make to 10
Now: Episode 94 uploaded and still going strong
As someone who leans towards the side of keeping too many physical objects Grey's possession a version seems to be like a good candidate for something to talk with a therapist about.
Your comments on minimalist living in your house speaks to me.
The whole ads thing on RUclips is more a YT problem. I could live with the small popups at the bottom in the past but when they started blasting unskippable ads twice or thrice the length of the actual video itself, coupled with the fact that sometimes the ad loads instants while the actual video stutters, that was the last straw.
I do whitelist sites in Adblock that I want to support, but RUclips is just too much.
Only 5 episodes in (spanned across several months and possibly years), and we've already reached incredibly-meta topics
At one of my university courses we did a short survey a few months back and of the 150-200 people in the room 75-80 % use add blockers.
I know this is old as.
and i remember theme talking about this somewhere else but i still agree this word free freebooting or making a living from piracy is part of the best options
Adblock:
No one really thinks about the technical or aesthetical part of it. I personally can NOT keep ads on Twitch. Every ad WILL invariably break my player. After the ad is done, the player will be grey, I can hear the streamer but I can't see anything so I have to reload the page which then loads the initial ad that streams have which then breaks my player again. I CAN'T keep ads on because then I can't watch the streams.
Aesthetically, many sites have quite obtrusive ads. Pop-ups, banners that cover parts of the content, loud ads, animated ads, etc. I don't want to see that.
I use adblock plus as follows: It's off and then if I go to a site and it's horribly desfigured or broken, I will turn it on for that site.
How hard the facemask conversation hits from here in 2020.
Moscow Metro has no advertisement on stations but a lot of advertisement inside trains. However ticket price is much cheaper than everywhere in Europe compared to average local salary as far as I remember.
I find it amazing how similar Grey and Chris Hardwick (of Nerdist) sound. I really like this.
As for ad-blocking, I do think that not have to watch advertisement should be the default at the moment it is the opposite. Make your argument for support and let the users decide if they want to use their life time which is the real payment here to support your life ( pre-rolled ads on the videos). There also must be different way to support efforts like youtube without the need of getting advertised to even more.
Wait, so if say we are uni students, too poor for Subable, but still wanting to support our favorite RUclipsrs, does clicking random adds on the channel help?
Also, I don't understand why advertisements are so unanimously considered bad. Some commercials can be quite entertaining. I know you mentioned their utility at the end, but some ads are pretty or funny too.
in my case, I use ad blocking software on my computer, but I also watch about 2/3 of the videos that I watch on a mobile device where there is no ad blocking software available, so for me that justifies my use of ad blocking software on my computer
It sounded like you guys were talking about Brady's "bible deck" channel. Now that can't be right, can it?
About ads: Grey's dilemma exists, it seems to me, because he's looking for a simple one-size-fits-all answer, and he knows that's not possible, but feels it OUGHT to be possible. Deducing categorical imperatives from flawlessly consistent, true first principles simply doesn't work (not usually, anyhow); it's bad philosophically. There's every reason to expect that many, if not most, ethical truths must account for context. In the case of ads, look at the cultural situation: we are all of us used to thinking of ads as shameless attempts to control our thoughts, emotions, and behavior through means that are dishonest and manipulative. There's a big difference between you reading an ad for Square Space (if you really believe what you're saying, and treat your listeners with respect) and the sort of thing every giant (and nearly every small) corporation does when they want to sell us crap we don't want or need. AdBlock's success is the response of consumers disgusted at being abused on the internet. It's as simple as that. If advertisers had a sense of restraint, decency, and respect for their customers -- as google did when they first started using small, unobtrusive ads -- then the "very existence" of the internet would not be threatened by services like AdBlock. And let's be honest: just because ads are so prevalent as a funding source now, that doesn't mean it HAD to be that way. Assuming there was no practical alternative shows a lack of imagination.
Sorry, but I am so used to not having any interfering ads now, I feel like I would go crazy to have them back. Remembering the ad days is like remembering dial-up.
0:49 watching this at 147 is so funny
41:47
"A night outdoors? Like it's the neolithic age." XD
As someone who just recently moved to Japan, I can say... Avoid public restrooms unless you desperately need it. They are basically holes in the ground with small footholds to bend down.
Anyone who is interested in japan, but not interested in a Tokyo sized density I Would check out Nagoya. In area the city is much bigger than NYC but a little smaller in population. There are tons of greenery and lots of English translations and lots more Romaji(where they spell words phonetically with roman characters).
23:58 - Not helping your case.
25:13 - What up, Ronaldo?
I was about to say that the public spaces (i.e. roads) would be payed for the advertisements, not the buildings, since the road traffic is much more valuable than store traffic, but I just remembered that the buildings billboards are generally put are owned by businesses, not the public utilities that go past.
Just putting this here on the off chance someone about to make the mistake I almost did sees it.
So what is that thing on the video? Some liquid version of an hourglass?
Idk......idk
I love these podcasts grey can you talk about like important topics like the plane getting shot down or is that not what you want your podcasts to be like?
Gray said he doesn't mind keeping digital things because he doesn't need to see them. Well I just put my fysical thing memories in a shelf and never look at them again
honestly if you really want full control of your device, apple would be a very poor choice for that. Linux would be better. showerthoughts
I disagree with Grey's explanation for his stance on adblock software. I believe every consumer, every internet user, should have control over their internet experience. We should be able to choose which advertisements we want to be subjected to, just like we have the choice to skip over commercials or sit through them. Grey, you even use adblock and choose for yourself which sites you whitelist. Adblock software blocks malicious advertising as well.
I found this episode, and all the other ones about piracy, very amusing. I really liked the discussion where you compared stealing, infringement and ads. Especially since you are content providers. But I couldn't stand the boiled down argument (paraphrasing): "Ads are great and makes the internet a better place." No, it doesn't! We recognize ads as a necessary evil.
In a world where information is everything and the space for its delivery is at a premium, an information consumer really doesn't need the additional noise of ads.
Grey, I am exactly like you in that you let go of physical objects to keep light and keep everything digital. Not that I think it is the way for everyone but that's how I am. :)
Grey clearly has very strong OCD tendencies. It's well known that people like that tend to purge belongings. I can understand the rational behind it but I do keep some meaningful things and not everything I have is super useful.
I use adblock. I don't really feel bad about it either, even though in small part I hurt some content creators I feel as the benefits outweigh the problems considering that I spend as much time if not more on the net they say cgp grey. I don't particularly like the idea of a computer algorithm knowing so much about me that it can target ads towards me. In some cases I've made an effort to support a content creator outside of ad revenue either via a twitch sub, patreon etc.
Someone give cpg gray a yodeling pickle for his birthday. I'm sure he will like it.
"Which I won't recommend because it's an hour long". 1.3 hours later and I'm still listening
On the topic of adblocking software from the preservative as a software developer and computer enthusiast. I personally use adblocking software. I have no problems with advertisements and would be happy to see them. However, outside of Google Adsense network, there are many malicious use of advertisements in the attempt to spreading viruses and malware through social engineering. For example, you'll often see fake download or play buttons on screens with downloads and videos. I suspect the majority of malicious software being spread can be attributed to these false or misleading advertisements. For this reason, I always encourage the use of adblocking software especially to those that are not computer savy.
Other note, I am completely with Grey on being an anti-hoarder! I just wish I could get those around me to be the same way. But people seem to have a sentimental attachment to physical objects which I will never understand. Anyway, if I tried to pack the sink and kitchen as "digital nomad", I couldn't ever live the way I do.
Really love the Podcasts! Keep it up!
Paying a membership fee to watch videos is not the same business model as ads. With ads you pay about one to two cents of your attention per ad. With a membership fee you pay 13€ a month and you better get in your 1300 Videos to get your money's worth. It's the old MMO subscription thing where you're like "I paid for it, so I better play to get my money's worth, even if I don't want to this month".
An adequate comparison would be if you had an account on the website, then you put money into it and for each video you watch you'd pay one cent per ten minutes watched (and once you watched a segment you can freely watch it again two times within the next two days without paying again). Where you'd be "yeah, I'd pay two cents to watch that CGPGrey video, sure".
The Problem with the search for a new phrase is that there are so man different sorts of copyright-infringement. I can only come up 2 terms but they only cover some parts:
Citation-Scamming (the one affecting you guys the most)
Freegrabbing (like grabbing more than booting)