I grew up in NE Victoria, and worked most of my life in transport. Victorian Transport History hits my buttons. I knew Hoy's Bus lines well. Victorian Railways owned and operated the Mt. Buffalo Chalet, as well as the Mt. Feathertop Bungalow. Trains were THE way for the populace to travel 100years ago. Love your work mate. 👍👍👍🇦🇺😀
Hoys didn’t sell any coach runs back to V/Line. Instead contract was handed back and then retendered. Also note on deluxe. The photo you got is off current deluxe charter operator which is totally different tomold Deluxe express coach operator
It was such a stupid arrangement. The government should have just run the service themselves. It didn't save them any money at all and the service wasn't any different, (no better nor worse). It was such a waste of money. Privatisation is just stupid
I strongly disagree. The format worked very well on the Warnambool line with the West Coast Railway owning their own rolling stock, increasing patronage and doing so well that they could run services with R Class steam locomotives on Saturday for no extra subsidy. At the time I was commuting from Melbourne to Geelong each day and I tried to use WCR services over VLine where I could, because the services were cleaner, more comfortable, faster and had much better conductors. Just because it didn't work out for Hoys on the Shepperton line does not mean the concept was flawed.
@Dave_Sisson while I acknowledge west coast did a generally good job they had the oldest carriages and locos in the fleet and had no money to every buy new ones Eventually they would have had to retire then and they were already starting to have issues.towards the end. There was allay that terrible accident at Werribee. Privatisation is wrong and never works. Ever.
@@timallardyce1216 I suspect that, perhaps, maybe, your statement might be based more on ideology than facts and pragmatism. There are plenty of places where a run down bureaucratic train service has been replaced by more motivated people who have improved things vastly and have thus seen an a huge increase in patronage. But of course there are other instances where government run services have been dynamic and responsive to passenger needs. Personally, I'm free of ideology, so I just want a good service and I don't care who runs it. WCRs rolling stock problems were more because there was no system of financing available for them to upgrade and not with the company itself.
@@Dave_Sisson compare the price under WCR to the price under V/Line, even before the regional rail price cap. When public transport is privatised, it is not run for the public
I grew up in NE Victoria, and worked most of my life in transport. Victorian Transport History hits my buttons. I knew Hoy's Bus lines well. Victorian Railways owned and operated the Mt. Buffalo Chalet, as well as the Mt. Feathertop Bungalow. Trains were THE way for the populace to travel 100years ago. Love your work mate. 👍👍👍🇦🇺😀
Very interesting. Great video, mate!
Sad that Hoys disappeared. Another well made video, thank you.
The seperate tickets system, sales point and staffing is the give away. Privatisation is usually a political idea.
Hoys didn’t sell any coach runs back to V/Line. Instead contract was handed back and then retendered.
Also note on deluxe. The photo you got is off current deluxe charter operator which is totally different tomold Deluxe express coach operator
Whoops, I'm not really familiar with buses so I had 0 clue that it was a separate operator.
It was such a stupid arrangement. The government should have just run the service themselves. It didn't save them any money at all and the service wasn't any different, (no better nor worse). It was such a waste of money. Privatisation is just stupid
I strongly disagree. The format worked very well on the Warnambool line with the West Coast Railway owning their own rolling stock, increasing patronage and doing so well that they could run services with R Class steam locomotives on Saturday for no extra subsidy. At the time I was commuting from Melbourne to Geelong each day and I tried to use WCR services over VLine where I could, because the services were cleaner, more comfortable, faster and had much better conductors.
Just because it didn't work out for Hoys on the Shepperton line does not mean the concept was flawed.
@Dave_Sisson while I acknowledge west coast did a generally good job they had the oldest carriages and locos in the fleet and had no money to every buy new ones
Eventually they would have had to retire then and they were already starting to have issues.towards the end. There was allay that terrible accident at Werribee. Privatisation is wrong and never works. Ever.
@@timallardyce1216 I suspect that, perhaps, maybe, your statement might be based more on ideology than facts and pragmatism. There are plenty of places where a run down bureaucratic train service has been replaced by more motivated people who have improved things vastly and have thus seen an a huge increase in patronage. But of course there are other instances where government run services have been dynamic and responsive to passenger needs. Personally, I'm free of ideology, so I just want a good service and I don't care who runs it. WCRs rolling stock problems were more because there was no system of financing available for them to upgrade and not with the company itself.
@@Dave_Sisson compare the price under WCR to the price under V/Line, even before the regional rail price cap. When public transport is privatised, it is not run for the public
Warnambool line????
@@qjtvaddict Shepparton line :)