In the 1980's I lived in Donaghadee, my local pub, Grace Neill's was also frequented by an older man called Nelson. Everyone called him "Kicker" but he was one of the crew of the Sir Samuel Kelly when it rescued some of the survivors from Princess Victoria, quite an unassuming character. Thanks for covering a tragedy close to my heart. Incidentally, Grace Neill's is Northern Ireland's oldest pub, opening it's doors for the first time in 1611. Great Guinness and the foods not too bad either, if you're ever in that neck of the woods.
@@davymckeown4577 that is fascinating! Thank you so much for that. I hope Kicker Nelson rests in peace - thank goodness he was willing to make such a heroic effort!
Amazing presentation as always, I've always found these "railway ferries" to be good looking (and somewhat underrated) ships, so it's nice to see them getting some attention. There are 3 other "railway ferries" that I recommend looking into if you want (maybe some ideas for a future video). TSS Canterbury, famous for her participation during the Dunkirk Evacuation and the Normandy Landings. SS Sussex, which was torpedoed in WW1 (but did survive) and sparked an outrage much like Lusitania. And finally, SS Lorina, also known for her participation at Dunkirk, but unlike Canterbury, she did not survive.
@@G011d3n absolutely! I'd love to look more into the Canterbury, she's already on my list! And I'll take a look at the others, as well! Thank you so much!! Cheers!
My compliments: I watch a lot of ship videos on RUclips. You are the first person to use the term "free-surface effect" on your last video correctly. You also do an excellent job identifying your use of "stock footage" if you don't have the specific photos. You should teach a course to others on how to produce historic videos.
Onboard the Victoria my nana’s cousin was the youngest member of crew and sadly he died in the disaster. John ‘Jackie’ Peoples was his name. I have a notebook from when he was a child of boat drawings that he made in school. My nana gave it to me the other year.
@@Shipsarecool123 rest in peace to him as he made the ultimate sacrifice. I'm so glad she saved that for you and you are able to look at it! It keeps his memory alive ❤️
You got Me! Never heard of this lamentable event, so thanks for the coverage - it happened before I was born (Just). This ongoing problem with RO/ROs is perplexing, going back many, many years (Great Lakes Train Ferry?) and basically seems (as usual) to revolve around Profit v Safety. I am sure a safe ship COULD be built, however, as this channel has repeatedly pointed out much depends on the Quality/Training and Integrity of the Crew, which in this case seems to have been of a high standard - pity `bout the Maintenance of the Stern Door - the Captain`s decision to reverse course in view of that unservicebility is Questionable.
@@moosifer3321 it's very true - the vessels, themselves, aren't necessarily the issue! The issue lies with human error plus a risky design. The lack of internal bulkheads makes me feel weirded out, however that wouldn't be a problem if proper safety procedures were followed, crews were trained effectively, and human nature wasn't so unpredictable. Thanks for watching this one, First Officer Moose! I appreciate you!
@@shipwrecksunday I’m sure Mv Victoria was screaming for help and was scared and for her crew as well she was saying help! Help me I’m drowning! I don’t want to die
i live in larne nowadays p&o operates round here wish i could have got to see her unfortunately i was born decades after her sinking rip to all who unfortunately passed
The sadest part of the whole thing was of course the loss of life! Would circumstances turned out differently if the captain hadn't done what he did, possibly. Hindsight as they say is always 20/20! Sadly circumstances prevented the rescue of people. No matter how hard we work, no matter what we do, you can't outwit mother nature.
@@Chevyman02 totally agree! The captain made his decisions based upon his experience in that area, and unfortunately, the ship was not able to hold up at this point.
@@jandoerlidoe3412 I've seen it across many different stories where ships go out without necessary repairs, and it almost always ends badly. It's a shame what happened to Princess Victoria, and even the report stated she was the faulty one, not her crew. It's sad that ship maintenance seems to go on the back burner quite frequently!
Elinor, have you ever done any videos on any of the great German liners? Not just the first German four stackers like Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse and Kronzprinzessin Cecile, but also Imperator, Vaterland, and Bismarck, then came the ever beautiful Bremen and Europa. Of course then came the ever touchy subject of Wilhelm Gustloff...I have been a subscriber for months now, but I haven't had much time to go back through all of your vidyas.
The waves aren't as bad in deeper waters, speaking from expert and science facts. He did the right thing but the boat was the wrong one in that weather. And we get serious weather in these waters
Rest in peace to the victims in this disturbing tragedy ❤
Can you do Superferry 14?
@@Ijustgothere17 I can!
Thanks
In the 1980's I lived in Donaghadee, my local pub, Grace Neill's was also frequented by an older man called Nelson. Everyone called him "Kicker" but he was one of the crew of the Sir Samuel Kelly when it rescued some of the survivors from Princess Victoria, quite an unassuming character. Thanks for covering a tragedy close to my heart. Incidentally, Grace Neill's is Northern Ireland's oldest pub, opening it's doors for the first time in 1611. Great Guinness and the foods not too bad either, if you're ever in that neck of the woods.
@@davymckeown4577 that is fascinating! Thank you so much for that. I hope Kicker Nelson rests in peace - thank goodness he was willing to make such a heroic effort!
Well done once again, Miss. What a tragic wreck this was. Thank you so much for sharing her story with us.
@@OldShippinglines thank you so much for watching, my friend, cheers!!
I love your videos very much, and also your straightforward narration style❤
@@jaburadvocacia261 thank you so much!!
Amazing presentation as always, I've always found these "railway ferries" to be good looking (and somewhat underrated) ships, so it's nice to see them getting some attention.
There are 3 other "railway ferries" that I recommend looking into if you want (maybe some ideas for a future video). TSS Canterbury, famous for her participation during the Dunkirk Evacuation and the Normandy Landings. SS Sussex, which was torpedoed in WW1 (but did survive) and sparked an outrage much like Lusitania. And finally, SS Lorina, also known for her participation at Dunkirk, but unlike Canterbury, she did not survive.
@@G011d3n absolutely! I'd love to look more into the Canterbury, she's already on my list! And I'll take a look at the others, as well! Thank you so much!! Cheers!
Sad story, great job on your presentation Elinor !! Have a great week 👍
@@vet-7174 thank you so much, my friend! Cheers!!
My compliments: I watch a lot of ship videos on RUclips. You are the first person to use the term "free-surface effect" on your last video correctly. You also do an excellent job identifying your use of "stock footage" if you don't have the specific photos. You should teach a course to others on how to produce historic videos.
@@jerrycomo2736 thank you so much! I really appreciate that! ❤️
Onboard the Victoria my nana’s cousin was the youngest member of crew and sadly he died in the disaster. John ‘Jackie’ Peoples was his name. I have a notebook from when he was a child of boat drawings that he made in school. My nana gave it to me the other year.
@@Shipsarecool123 rest in peace to him as he made the ultimate sacrifice. I'm so glad she saved that for you and you are able to look at it! It keeps his memory alive ❤️
@@shipwrecksunday it is amazing that I still have it and one of the biggest disasters in the town can be remembered.
Another part of the story that my Nana remembers is the funeral running at about 30 minute intervals for the next 2 weeks after the tragedy
@@Shipsarecool123 that's so sad! Thank you for adding that.
You got Me! Never heard of this lamentable event, so thanks for the coverage - it happened before I was born (Just). This ongoing problem with RO/ROs is perplexing, going back many, many years (Great Lakes Train Ferry?) and basically seems (as usual) to revolve around Profit v Safety. I am sure a safe ship COULD be built, however, as this channel has repeatedly pointed out much depends on the Quality/Training and Integrity of the Crew, which in this case seems to have been of a high standard - pity `bout the Maintenance of the Stern Door - the Captain`s decision to reverse course in view of that unservicebility is Questionable.
@@moosifer3321 it's very true - the vessels, themselves, aren't necessarily the issue! The issue lies with human error plus a risky design. The lack of internal bulkheads makes me feel weirded out, however that wouldn't be a problem if proper safety procedures were followed, crews were trained effectively, and human nature wasn't so unpredictable. Thanks for watching this one, First Officer Moose! I appreciate you!
Can maybe do the Toya Maru as yet another Suggestion.
@@HistoryBoy_2000 I can! Thanks so much!
@@shipwrecksunday I’m sure Mv Victoria was screaming for help and was scared and for her crew as well she was saying help! Help me I’m drowning! I don’t want to die
🙏 awesome job thank you for the story
@@joeanderson9852 thanks so much for watching!
i live in larne nowadays p&o operates round here wish i could have got to see her unfortunately i was born decades after her sinking rip to all who unfortunately passed
P&O is a very old company, and I'm glad they're still around! It's like having a living piece of history. Thank you so much for honoring the victims!!
Excellent video Elinor, and thank you for your excellent attempt at pronouncing Irish names and places, other channels murder the language
@@Redgolf2 I'm sure I still did not do it justice, but I'll always look it up and try! Cheers!
The sadest part of the whole thing was of course the loss of life!
Would circumstances turned out differently if the captain hadn't done what he did, possibly. Hindsight as they say is always 20/20!
Sadly circumstances prevented the rescue of people.
No matter how hard we work, no matter what we do, you can't outwit mother nature.
@@Chevyman02 totally agree! The captain made his decisions based upon his experience in that area, and unfortunately, the ship was not able to hold up at this point.
typical that the defective door was not repaired & operations was continued....
@@jandoerlidoe3412 I've seen it across many different stories where ships go out without necessary repairs, and it almost always ends badly. It's a shame what happened to Princess Victoria, and even the report stated she was the faulty one, not her crew. It's sad that ship maintenance seems to go on the back burner quite frequently!
@@shipwrecksunday As you say: neglect of maintenance & repair is at the root of most shipwrecks, that together with human error...
Elinor, have you ever done any videos on any of the great German liners? Not just the first German four stackers like Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse and Kronzprinzessin Cecile, but also Imperator, Vaterland, and Bismarck, then came the ever beautiful Bremen and Europa. Of course then came the ever touchy subject of Wilhelm Gustloff...I have been a subscriber for months now, but I haven't had much time to go back through all of your vidyas.
@@Brock_Landers I've done Bremen and Europa as well Wilhelm Gustloff! But I have not covered any of the others yet - I do want to!
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@@steveshattuck8128 thank you, my friend! Cheers!
@@shipwrecksunday Cheers to you Shipwrecker 😁👍
I always think that it is very sad that all the women were killed
@@Shipsarecool123 I agree 100% with you. Losing all of the women and children makes this one sting.
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@@walterathow5988 thanks so much!
The Captain took a damaged ship out into a raging storm. Idiot or fool, many died thanks to his bravado.
The waves aren't as bad in deeper waters, speaking from expert and science facts. He did the right thing but the boat was the wrong one in that weather. And we get serious weather in these waters