Isn't there some sort of phase shift at the crossover points if using a 12 decibel slope or something like that? Can ypu please explain that because Im really confused with the whole phase thing. Thank you.
JMPO, but Id never only run a 3 way. If he were to show the frequency bands overlapping here, you would immediately notice a huge dip between the sub and the mids. I think even if the mids and highs are passively crossed over (as in my system) you still reap HUGE benefits from adding mid bass drivers between your subs and mids. 4 way fully active is better yet.
So since I need to take in consideration for what type of speaker placement and axis...how do I measure that as well so I can properly set.my crossover?
Hi Kyle, follow to up to my earlier questions. Do I need to buy additional thing other than my umik 1 can't figure out how REW send signal to my head unit? Sorry for my question? Really no idea what I'm doing.. hehe
Hi Kyle good day, i have question maybe you can help..1. how and were you connect your computer to your stereo to send signal? 2. Using what cable ? I'm new to DSP and I know nothing about it, but i want try and experience awesome some. I already have my audio set up with pioneer avh 4200 nex / dayton audio 408 DSP / alpine pdx f4 for my tweeter and 3.5inch mid high and hertz HDP5 for 6.5 mid bass and 12inch sub ..(now running 3way active plus sub). I already purchase umik 1 with USB and downloaded REW but. I can't find on the internet a diagram how to / were to connect rew to send signal on my speaker can you help me with it...looking forward, thanks
Hey Kyle - been through this series once, and watching again just to get better grasp. Looking for your input- daily driver, not competition car. Factory locations, 6.5 in all 4 doors will play to 45 hz, tweeters in dash. Adding 5.25 in kick panels. I like rear fill. I know its driverdependent, but trying to get an idea of some generic starting crossover points. Before adding kick panels, I had rear 6.5 70hz to 200hz, front 6.5 at 200hz to 3800hz, and tweeters 3800 and up. Not sure if I should set 5.25 at same points as front 6.5. Thanks for any input, gonna finish going through the rest of the series again so i can have a better idea of everything you haveincluded, thanks alot man
Hey man, thanks so much for your videos. Looking forward to using them realtime with my DSP. In an unrelated question, what Subaru model are you driving? I have an outback myself. I am looking for a similar dash mat for mine, any recommendations? Also, how do you like using the corner dash locations for the mids?
You mentioned that you're using the Scan 10f's in the stock location. I'm guessing that's in the dash, reflecting off the windshield? If so, has this caused any issues?
What all do you need with the mic to use it? Just download a RTA app? I have the audio control app but I don’t want to shell out the money they want for their mic.
Hey there. Great content - wish it was longer and more detailed. I see the LP on your sub is ~65 Hz and the HP on your mid is ~350 Hz What about the area between 65 and 350? For the sub @ 12dB/oct, at 130Hz it would be -12dB For the mid @ same slope, at 175 Hz it would be - 12dB That means at 150 Hz it would virtually be very little or no sound right? Also, I've learnt on some vids that the orders of slope have to be corrected by phase shift. For every order an adjustment of 45° has to be made? e.g. if LP is on 12dB slope it would be the mid would be -90°, and tweeter HP on 12dB slope would be +90°, so we have to phase shift 180° one of the drivers to 'correct' them. How true is this sir? Lastly any thoughts on putting HP and LP on of the two drivers at a same roll off point? Sorry if I've asked too much but not many people talk about this part of car audio but its so important!! Looking forward to your replies, sir! Thanks!!
I do not have an answer to some of your questions here. But I’ve been watching a series on RUclips that Audison is doing right now. It’s fairly lengthy. There is four or five hour long videos at this point. I think episode two or three covers a lot of what you’re asking.
Hey Kyle, I have a quick question for you. Could you do a tutorial on how you have Rew EQ set up? One thing that I cannot seem to get mine to show is the number of averages for instance. I have also noticed that you are using a 1/12 octave smoothing, do you have any other tips on how to set the program up before you begin with measurements? And thanks for the video's, I cannot tell you how many times I have been watching them over and over to figure out how to tune using my DSP Pro. It is certainly a step by step process
Hey kyle, thank you for putting together all of the videos, sincerely appreciate it! I have a p six mk 2, but have yet to install it. I don't want to spend 70 bucks on the mic... You mentioned the small mic that attaches to your phone will suffice? I will pony up the money for the dayton but only if it's absolutely necessary. Regards.
hey wsup i lv your videos im learing i have the hat imagines 6.5 twetter in sail panal and midbass in botton of door head unit 80prs twetts at 6.3hz 24db slope mid low 6.3hz at 24db slope mid high 63hz at 24db slope subs 63 at 24db slope can u please do a video showing on yor graph
Eazy Rida Yes, their components they use from the factory, that is what they use, just a single capacitor at 6k, for a 6db slope. The bad part about this is that even though the 6.5" CAN play up to 6k, in a vehicle, mounted in the doors, it will start beaming (becoming directional) at around 2.2khz. This means less energy above that point is reaching the listener. If you use a steeper slope (12db or 24db), you can easily bring those tweeters down to a 4khz crossover.
so u saying the owner is wrong cause all my slopes are 24db slope so u sayin put the tweteer at 4k with a 24db slope what about mid high and mid low and sub
Eazy Rida I'm not saying he is wrong, Scott is a very knowledgeable dude. But if your drivers were mounted on axis, I would say that would work fine, but since they are in the doors I assume they are mounted in or near the factory location. I would do the Tweeter HPF at 4.5k, and mids LPF at 3.2k to start. Mid to sub crossover is very vehicle, driver, box, dependent, and just needs to be played with to find the right combo. Hard to say without listening to it, but I usually try to stick around 50-65 on subs, and 60-80 on mids, with at least a 10hz gap in-between, if not a little more.
Isn't there some sort of phase shift at the crossover points if using a 12 decibel slope or something like that? Can ypu please explain that because Im really confused with the whole phase thing. Thank you.
JMPO, but Id never only run a 3 way. If he were to show the frequency bands overlapping here, you would immediately notice a huge dip between the sub and the mids. I think even if the mids and highs are passively crossed over (as in my system) you still reap HUGE benefits from adding mid bass drivers between your subs and mids. 4 way fully active is better yet.
3 way usually refers to midbass, mids, and tweeter. The sub is a given. Also, I've seen people run 2 ways before with very good results
Kyle. Thanks for these vids again. Priceless information for a noob like me.
+1! This was the first video after watching 4 others that answered my question about db slope. Thank you!
Hello Sir.
Your video is really helpful. How many times of FS do you advise for the Midrange & Midbass?
awesome info! thank you for all your vids and input! DIYforum is the chit!!
Do you flip polarity for 12db slopes?
how will we know whens the mid range is clip?is it on the Gain output bar?
So since I need to take in consideration for what type of speaker placement and axis...how do I measure that as well so I can properly set.my crossover?
Hi Kyle, follow to up to my earlier questions. Do I need to buy additional thing other than my umik 1 can't figure out how REW send signal to my head unit? Sorry for my question? Really no idea what I'm doing.. hehe
Hi Kyle good day, i have question maybe you can help..1. how and were you connect your computer to your stereo to send signal? 2. Using what cable ? I'm new to DSP and I know nothing about it, but i want try and experience awesome some. I already have my audio set up with pioneer avh 4200 nex / dayton audio 408 DSP / alpine pdx f4 for my tweeter and 3.5inch mid high and hertz HDP5 for 6.5 mid bass and 12inch sub ..(now running 3way active plus sub). I already purchase umik 1 with USB and downloaded REW but. I can't find on the internet a diagram how to / were to connect rew to send signal on my speaker can you help me with it...looking forward, thanks
Does the software allow for adding a center channel?.
Butterworth 48 good for subs?
That way if the HPF is set 30hz it’d roll off fast?
I want bellow 30hz cut fast as possible
Hey Kyle - been through this series once, and watching again just to get better grasp. Looking for your input- daily driver, not competition car.
Factory locations, 6.5 in all 4 doors will play to 45 hz, tweeters in dash. Adding 5.25 in kick panels. I like rear fill. I know its driverdependent, but trying to get an idea of some generic starting crossover points. Before adding kick panels, I had rear 6.5 70hz to 200hz, front 6.5 at 200hz to 3800hz, and tweeters 3800 and up. Not sure if I should set 5.25 at same points as front 6.5. Thanks for any input, gonna finish going through the rest of the series again so i can have a better idea of everything you haveincluded, thanks alot man
Hey man, thanks so much for your videos. Looking forward to using them realtime with my DSP. In an unrelated question, what Subaru model are you driving? I have an outback myself. I am looking for a similar dash mat for mine, any recommendations? Also, how do you like using the corner dash locations for the mids?
You mentioned that you're using the Scan 10f's in the stock location. I'm guessing that's in the dash, reflecting off the windshield? If so, has this caused any issues?
lightningstruck93 nope, no issues, and sounded fantastic
Did you fabricate an enclosure for them or just open back into the dash cavity?
lightningstruck93 kind of both, i built a small bowl "enclosure" from a dynamat type material, then used poly-fill inside.
What unit is that,that you are using? Sorry if it was said and i missed it. I love that layout makes everything so easy
James, that is the Helix processor, the Helix Pro is what I have now and is laid out the same, just has 2 more channels available.
I notice -18db slopes aren't that popular, is there a reason why? Is it a phase thing?
thornygravy yeah, just a weird phase shift,
What all do you need with the mic to use it? Just download a RTA app? I have the audio control app but I don’t want to shell out the money they want for their mic.
P. Dean yes, the Dayton mic is open source, so it can be used with almost any RTA program
Hey there. Great content - wish it was longer and more detailed.
I see the LP on your sub is ~65 Hz and the HP on your mid is ~350 Hz
What about the area between 65 and 350?
For the sub @ 12dB/oct, at 130Hz it would be -12dB
For the mid @ same slope, at 175 Hz it would be - 12dB
That means at 150 Hz it would virtually be very little or no sound right?
Also, I've learnt on some vids that the orders of slope have to be corrected by phase shift.
For every order an adjustment of 45° has to be made?
e.g. if LP is on 12dB slope it would be the mid would be -90°, and tweeter HP on 12dB slope would be +90°, so we have to phase shift 180° one of the drivers to 'correct' them. How true is this sir?
Lastly any thoughts on putting HP and LP on of the two drivers at a same roll off point?
Sorry if I've asked too much but not many people talk about this part of car audio but its so important!!
Looking forward to your replies, sir! Thanks!!
I do not have an answer to some of your questions here. But I’ve been watching a series on RUclips that Audison is doing right now. It’s fairly lengthy. There is four or five hour long videos at this point. I think episode two or three covers a lot of what you’re asking.
Hey Kyle, I have a quick question for you. Could you do a tutorial on how you have Rew EQ set up? One thing that I cannot seem to get mine to show is the number of averages for instance. I have also noticed that you are using a 1/12 octave smoothing, do you have any other tips on how to set the program up before you begin with measurements? And thanks for the video's, I cannot tell you how many times I have been watching them over and over to figure out how to tune using my DSP Pro. It is certainly a step by step process
Hey Joey, I will be setting up my DSP again in my new vehicle, and I'll go over that and do up a video on it.
Nice vid!!! cant wait to see the others.
Hey kyle, thank you for putting together all of the videos, sincerely appreciate it! I have a p six mk 2, but have yet to install it. I don't want to spend 70 bucks on the mic... You mentioned the small mic that attaches to your phone will suffice? I will pony up the money for the dayton but only if it's absolutely necessary. Regards.
You spent the money on an amp with dsp, but don't want to spend 70 bucks to fully utilize it?!
I've always crossovers my tweeters at 1khz-10khz my mids are xovered at 350-1.6k my woofer are 80-400 and my subwoofer is 20-90
hey wsup i lv your videos im learing i have the hat imagines 6.5 twetter in sail panal and midbass in botton of door head unit 80prs twetts at 6.3hz 24db slope mid low 6.3hz at 24db slope mid high 63hz at 24db slope subs 63 at 24db slope can u please do a video showing on yor graph
Eazy Rida Which graph? And try bringing your tweeters down to 4.5k, and mids to 3k, and reset that part of the EQ to flat, and re-adjust.
Kyle Ragsdale hybrid audio Scott Buwalda gave me those settings your dsp
Eazy Rida Yes, their components they use from the factory, that is what they use, just a single capacitor at 6k, for a 6db slope. The bad part about this is that even though the 6.5" CAN play up to 6k, in a vehicle, mounted in the doors, it will start beaming (becoming directional) at around 2.2khz. This means less energy above that point is reaching the listener. If you use a steeper slope (12db or 24db), you can easily bring those tweeters down to a 4khz crossover.
so u saying the owner is wrong cause all my slopes are 24db slope so u sayin put the tweteer at 4k with a 24db slope what about mid high and mid low and sub
Eazy Rida I'm not saying he is wrong, Scott is a very knowledgeable dude. But if your drivers were mounted on axis, I would say that would work fine, but since they are in the doors I assume they are mounted in or near the factory location. I would do the Tweeter HPF at 4.5k, and mids LPF at 3.2k to start. Mid to sub crossover is very vehicle, driver, box, dependent, and just needs to be played with to find the right combo. Hard to say without listening to it, but I usually try to stick around 50-65 on subs, and 60-80 on mids, with at least a 10hz gap in-between, if not a little more.
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Nice vid!!! cant wait to see the others.