I should have gone into more detail about this so I apologize about any confusion. The point I was making by showing the charts is that Orb Devo is an early run strat when you first start doing it and it's used to boost overall performance throughout the run. If you are able to start maxing out the workshop (Health, EALS, etc.) then you won't need to stop doing Orb Devo but while you are first trying it out the most optimal way I found was to start with Orb Devo and move into Blender later in the run. I spent almost a month trying out Orb Devo and different times to move to Blender and I wanted to save everyone else that time! I hope that helps clear things up!
Great video man! Orb devo has been a game changer for me in my journey. My video last week I was at 700B LTC and by the time my next update comes out I will be at around 1.5T LTC! Keep up the content!
So what happens if your seeing this after you've already put alot of workshop and lab upgrades into the wrong stuff? Does that completely ruin orb devo?
@@codyforster8871 The workshop would definitely need to be devoed (respec). I don’t think the lab upgrades would affect devo that bad. Just make sure you follow all of the base requirements and do not deviate.
In currently using the blender build and I was pretty lost about where to go next, it seems I should stay on it while researching more. This guide helped me a lot! Keep it up and thank you for the amazing guide! ❤
I just almost hit 1billion per minute on tier 8 earlier. Orb Devo is definitely worth it im getting between 2-6 million per kill🎉 love your videos. Keep it up. I would recommend galaxy compresor to help with the cooldown
Thank you so much and congrats on the awesome CPM, 1bil/min is a big milestone and you’re right there! I’ve been using GC for the past week and a half to two weeks and I gotta say I am a quite unimpressed by it. With that said I was expecting a huge boost compared to SH but I got basically the same results.
I’ve been playing a month and got super lucky with my first 3 uw, I have gt bh and dw. What stats in those should I have before starting orb devo. I appreciate your videos. You and crowbar are seriously the most helpful RUclipsrs for this game that I’ve found thank you.
Congrats on the amazing UWs!!! That is so nice, thank you so much! I would make sure they are all synced at a 1:1:1 and don't they to rush doing Orb Devo too soon, make sure you have good cards, modules, and the most important thing is to be able to do 6k+ runs before trying it out!
What about using enemy/balance card on turtle and blender? Besides the starting cards i have one extra slot, should i use that one, or maybe there's a better option?
Can I ask for early (5k tier 1) you said hold buying module with gems until level 6 of cards. I was wondering what is the priority for getting more card slots verse upgrading cards?
Anywhere from 10-15 slots is good, I have 13 and don’t really plan to buy another any time soon. I would get slots periodically as you work on upgrading your cards!
@angeldefuego9216 side note for cards: unless they changed the costs recently, the marginal increase in card slots goes up at slot 15. So it seems the devs made a nice cutoff of 14 slots before you max commons. Just my opinion😊
Thank you for the informative video. I am only a few days in, slowly building my turtle build. Don't think ive unlocked Perks yet but will keep an eye out for them. I saw another video saying to use the card enemy balance, which increases the amount of enemies but also 30% more money, is that better than the cash card (havent gotten the card mentioned yet) or would the extra enemies hinder in the long run?
Great video, definitely the guide I've been looking for! Thank you!. However, I want to point out that Thorn damage does a percent (%) of the enemy's max health in damage when they hit your tower and not a percent (%) of their damage.
@PrimosTower I actually saved the video to keep going back to it from time to time. Thank you again for the valuable information. If it's no trouble I'd like to ask for specific advice. I've been playing non-stop for two weeks and I feel rather stuck. Highest is wave 3000 on T1 and max push is T11. I want to unlock T12 for better daily mission rewards and I want to have better farming runs (now stuck at max 5~10 Mil coins per run).
It’s no problem at all, what I would do if I were you is first get to wave 4500 on T1. If you do that you get a relic for +2% coins earned which will help your farming runs. Next I want you to periodically every week or two try and go for milestones on other tiers to get extra gems and save those for UWs. Getting good UWs will result in massive boosts to your Econ ie getting GT, BH, and a second BH Finally I want you to get to farming around T1 wave 6000 before you move to T3 (skip T2). This should let you jump to almost wave 4K in T3. Don’t get too caught up in the mission rewards as they are capped and fall off as you progress. Also don’t neglect Econ labs bc they can really help! Hope that helps, all questions are welcome!
Hey! Great guide, I keep coming back to check out progression tips. For the cards mentioned, is that for farming or tournament? I’m wanting to push a bit more on milestones and haven’t had much luck finding a good guide for cards. Thanks again for all the info!
I've been doing exactly that (currently blender build) except for i didn't really see that much difference in land mines stun (I'll give it another go) and I bought level skips before the wall (not sure if it was good idea - in any case skips work amazing).
Orb devo I feel like is something that happens mid to late game. Most people move into blender like builds fairly quickly leaving turtle mode very early. But adjusting your workshop to maximize your orb devo farming, what do you for tournaments? I know farming is not the goal of tournaments so do you respec or redo your workshop for tournaments or can you keep it that way and still do well in tournaments? I feel like if you have enough coins to max health and certain other key workshops besides free upgrades etc, then you should have enough cash in game to upgrade the others as the game progresses.
As always, great video Primo, enjoyed it, I’m currently using orb Devo as you explained it but I do use smart missiles 20 seconds after GT/BH/DW go off to blow up the protectors, I’m going to try without them, so far tier 10, almost 6 hours at 4300 waves gets me around 600 billion, i do switch to blender at around 3300 waves, I’ll see how I do without SM and SL missiles on, thanks for the video, what will you try to work on next? Sneak peak 😂
Thank you for the consistent support! You’re a real one! If you are getting some good use out of SM to kill protectors that by all means keep using it. The only thing I would look out for is if SM is eliminating too many tanks, if so you may want to turn it off. I’m not sure yet but I’m thinking about talking about the wall and when to get it. Do you have any suggestions of what you’d like to see? Lol
@@PrimosTowerthe wall would be a great addition to explain. See a lot of people confused about the Wall, buy too early and it be useless due to the amount of coins you have to invest into labs/upgrades for it to be useable.
@ actually, my next goal is to get the Wall so that would be great, another thing that does confuse me sometimes is knowing what sub module effects to get with certain modules for different builds, not sure if anyone else has that issue and also optimal paths for Ultimate weapons to get the most out of our stones, but any video you make will benefit a lot of players, follow your heart, so far you’re batting 💯 thank you for your hard work bro
I know its been a few days but I want to know for cards, u said that I should spend all my gems into it until tier 2, but do I try to unlock all the cards slot first or do I unlock the cards first? am using cash and extra defense atm. ty for the infos o/
Until your common cards are level 6 cards should be your main focus for spending gems. When it comes that card slots that’s up to you. 10 slots should still be fairly cheap and allow you to have all the cards you want, after that just save up for another when you feel you want to have another card but not swap out any of your other cards. I currently only have 13 cards. Hope that helps!
Thanks for the video! May I ask what should I choose for my 4th UW - between Spotlight and CL? -- Currently I have CF, GT, BH while BH and coin bot had been sync-ed. Earning at around 40-60M per hour for my runs. My next UW choice unfortunately doesn't have DW but rather provided me PS, CL and Spotlight. I have been struggling to choose between CL and spotlight: For spotlight, I want to choose it as I have the Om Chip plus I want it's coin multiplier; for CL it may greatly increase my damage and I can go further on tournaments and runs, given that I can only rank at around 5-10 in gold league and therefore my stones earned are miserable. Mind if you may provide me with some advice?
I really hope I haven't kept you waiting! Haha! If you value farming more then take the SL but if you value tournaments I would take CL. Seeing as you already have GT and BH I would maybe get CL. You'll need to put some stones into it but it will make a big difference in your tournaments and hopefully help out a ton! Also, if it helps when I had a similar choice in the past I took SL bc I valued my farming runs and Econ more at that point. But to this day I have not put a single upgrade into SL so it might not have been worth it haha. Please let me know what you choose!
@@PrimosTower Thanks so much ♥️ I think my Econ is currently quite OK but I need greater damage for cells and tournaments (Stones in the long run). SL takes a long time to make it useful so I think I shall take CL first
I have my extra orbs set to 60m at 69.5m range. However I found out that its more in the centre of my BH when I level my range lab to lvl 4. so my new range is 75.06. (In case you dont like the range out of run you have a slider to change the range you get from lab. Just go into your lab and click on range and you should be able to see it.
I am using 60m but I don't see anything wrong with what raven9323 is doing, I don't have any problem with tanks getting hit with orbs at 60m but I'm sure what he is doing isn't hurting and I'm going to have to give that a try!
For damage, you should be able to max most things, if you can't then make sure you get attack speed, multishot, and bounce shot. Don't focus too much on leveling up damage as the orbs and thorns are what will kill enemies. For the defense tree you want to max out everything you can and for the remaining try to put more into HP and then HP regen and then Def Abs (for T1-T3). For utility try to max everything and then focus on EALS as much as possible. Hope that helps!
Awesome video thank you! It’s confusing a bit for me, I saw few videos and still didn’t get how do you choose which build to do? And I heard opinions on don’t waste on gems at cards but use them only for labs, and in the labs to focus on absolute defense and coins, so what actually is the best way to go? It’s very confusing
@ right now I’m early game, i between 1 to 3, the one I farm the most is 1 beacuse I get there up to around 800-900 waves and on tier 3 my highest is 83 wave
So when it comes to builds you don't really pick a build to do, the game will start out more defensively and move to offense near mid to late game. Right now you are bridging the gap from turtle to blender. Your workshop and lab research should be focused more into defense. I don't think I even talked about unlocking labs in the video, whoops. Labs are super important in the game and the more you have the faster you will progress. I'll assume you have 2-3 labs right now, save up to buy your 4th lab now and then decide if you want to save for the 5th right after. If you're super close to another level (1-4 cards away) on your health card, fortress, or defense % cards then maybe try and get those bc the progression they will give you then go back to saving for your 5th lab. Also, focus your farming on T1 and try to get the relic at wave 4500, it will give you a 2% boost to your coin income. I feel the sweet spot for runs is around wave 6k-8k, this will help you maximize your coin and cell potential. Glad you enjoyed the video and I hope this helps!
@@PrimosTower wow thanks for all the help and explaining that 🙏 you are amazing! So I should focus right now more to the blender? Or keep with turtle? And yes with the labs I have 3 about to open the 4 :) and about cards I hear all the time that is better to put wave skip, coin, coins critical, wave accelerator, cash and fortress. So you say it’s better to change most of them to health and defense? I have health 2 level and health regeneration level 2.
Great video. One question, im a new player, starting blender build now, is it useful to set target prio on faster enemys first and protectors last so protectors fell on torns?
I would set protectors to first since they can increase the survivability of all enemies allowing them to deal more damage to you and fast enemies don't do any extra damage compared to basic or tanks. You can check the damage of enemies by checking out the wave info tab during runs.
Thanks for the video! Not sure if changing to Devo would help my income and I didn't want to waste the gems 😅. Couple of questions if you know the answer... I run blender with wall, I farm on tier 10, up to wave ~5500 and end with ~400b, 18T LTC. Will changing to this increase income significantly? What tier should I try this?
I'm not sure but I can help you figure it out for yourself! If a majority of the enemies are dying to orbs then try orb devo, if they are stacking up at your tower and dying do your wall thorns then no. If you do try it I would expect a significant increase of maybe around 20% or more, I went from Orb Devo to Orb Devo with a wall and say a basically 100% increase in two weeks just by upgrading the wall. If you try Orb Devo, I would try it maybe a tier or two lower than your normal farming runs, maybe start with T9!
At what time/level would it be recommended to stop with Blender? Im currently doing T9s up to max lvl 1550 and I tried T5 after this video but I could only do up until around wave 2550 with way less coin/h then my T9 runs...
I would recommend that you actually try runs on lower tiers. The longer your runs are the better the return for both coins and cells. Over time you’ll slowly move on from blender are you gain more damage and damaged based UW’s. Damage builds are a more late game build so focus on defense and Econ for the next 6+ months. I hope that helps!
I'm about a month in and I've got all my lab slots and 11 card slots and farming around T4-T6 depending on how much time I have to pay attention to the game. Do you think it's worthwhile to research workshops discounts then respec to get a bunch of coins back? I have them all at around 10% currently and was maybe going to pull the trigger when they're all 15%
I don’t think it’s worth it and here’s why: 1. Think of the discount as a way to get more levels into the workshop as you would have otherwise, not a way to get coins back. 2. You should be able to continuously upgrade the workshop week over week so the price will keep increasing therefore if you’re getting 15% back from what you put in a few weeks ago it will be 15% or 100k not the current 1mil just for an example. 3. Additionally if you are using this as a way to get coins you need to think about the 150 gems per respec, is 2.5 hours of gems worth that small amount of coins? It’s not a bad upgrade it’s just not good for that reason! Hope that helps!
Great Video! thank you for taking the time to make it! really cleared out things. One question. In blender you are saying we should be researching for EALS. Which milestone unlocks this research?
@@PrimosTower Thank you for actually responding. One last question please. If I got it right, while playing blender, during the actual run all I am upgrading is Health. Is that wrong? I am at 25b lifetime coins atm, and i can't get past wave 2800 on t2. Am I playing it wrong? Should i be able to get past that? (I Know that every tower is different and there is no general yes or no answer to this question, just give me a rough estimation if possible.) P.s. Do we care about Super Crit?
It's no problem, responding to comments is really fun and questions are encouraged. While playing blender health is really important but (I know you're not at this point yet but please just bare with me) once you get EALS you should focus it at the start of runs so that the overall waves skipped can be as high as possible! After that focus on dumping cash into the rest of the utility upgrades so that more free upgrades are allocated to EALS and once that becomes unaffordable focus on health, regen, and Def Abs equally (if you're T3 or under).
Two things, first, you don't farm T2, the increase in difficulty isn't worth the increase in coins. This will be the only tier you don't want to farm. So try and jump from tier 1 to 3. Personally I farmed tier 1 for way too long, I was reaching wave 10k each run and then I jumped to farming T5 wave 6k. Second, I cant give you an exact number but I like to farm up to wave 6k-7k on whatever tier I can. This helps me maximize my coin and cell earning potential but by all means longer runs are never bad. Try out T3 every few weeks until your coins and cells per run are greater than on T1! Hops that helps!
Okay this is a big question and I am only speculating bc I am in the early part of mid game haha. There are a ton of factors that go into it like UWs, research, Econ, or even Workshop Enhancements but a I would guess being able to do long runs in T16+ with a damage build is a good measure of being in the late game.
Plasma cannon is great for tournaments when the heat is over healing bosses other than that its just okay. In long runs bosses arn't usually the think that is killing you.
Thanks for the video! Great editing by the way. I can't imagine how much work that takes. Devo still kind of confuses me, I'll have to play back your guide at slow speed or something to figure out how it all works. Still think I'm a few months away. I still need to get a my UW's levelled up. Was thinking of picking up a 4th UW to go with my GT, BH and DW. Hopefully a damage one like Chain Lightning since I have that Dimension Core. I just want to zap stuff harder deeper in to waves... especially those Protectors.
@@PrimosTower A few weeks later and I'm rocking the Orb Devo build on Tier 5. I'm stuck with my Def Abs and Health Regen being pretty weak right now. So I'm slowly working on those in Workshop and Labs. But it's still netting me a very nice increase in coins over Blender. My old 'farm' was Blender Tier 6 for about 15B. Now in Orb Devo it's Tier 5 for about 30B and counting. Working on getting my DW in 1:1 sync with BH/GT. And starting to switch from buying Cards in to buying Modules. I have none of the desirable natural Epic Modules yet...
Hi. Can I know how you play, In emulator on PC or phone (what model)? After a match of 600+ waves the phone gets very hot and needs to be in the game for more than 2 hours
Already spend a good amount on my first account I didn’t get golden tower on my first or second ult weapon should I restart if I don’t get it on my third after grinding for 150 stones
Did you spend a good amount of time or money??? I’m assuming time, if that’s the case hopefully you have BH or DW or both and I would at leave get if you have one or both (after UW 3) I’d at least try for UW 4. Personally I don’t think restarting is worth it but I got GT as my second so I don’t know how much it hurts to not have it.
@PrimosTower actually I was referring to money lol around $100 for all the current beginning packs and some gems. But I have spotlight and deathwave so hopefully I get it on my third. I realize this game is gonna take time so I’ll power through and put my time in I’ve only been playing for a week
@@PrimosTower definitely just need to grind the stones from the events and tournaments so I’ll check back in soon thank you your videos helped me reach 1500 on tier 1 in a day
I feel like there are two questions being asked. 1. It does sound like you’re ready for orb devo, if you don’t have BH damage at max then work on that. 2. Orb Devo is a farming Strat so you don’t want to use it in tournaments. The farther away from a max workshop you are the harder tournaments will be with Orb Devo. With that said you should be fine in tournaments just make sure you are keeping your workshop up to date by investing coins and when you begin the tournament run level up your free upgrades.
@@PrimosTower yes i have 2% max damage for my BH Yes im still far2 away from max workshop 😭maybe ill try respec it once later and see how it progress during the tournaments...thanks for the answer bro 👏👍
I still think you should try Orb Devi and try doing a tournament run with Orb Devo to see how you do, you may be surprised! Also why I recommend getting all the XYZ effects or duration stuff is for tournaments so you only have to buy the chance if that makes sense lol.
I pretty much run the same except I do farm Death Wave health to max it out. I'm curious if you think "Being Annihilator" works since (for offense) I am focusing on damage and crit to up that UW damage? Edit: currently farming tier 6 for 12 hours runs with about 100-150b and enough cells for 2x on all
If you are at a point where you're moving from a defensive to offensive playstyle then I think Being Annihilator will be a great choice! Also what wave are you getting to on T6, I'm averaging 9-10 hours and only 1-2 on my labs are running at x2.
@PrimosTower last night's ran to 7500 on t6 and got 156b. I've tried both 5 and 7. T6 is working by far thr best. I could probably do better CPM on t7 but the way my timing works is a good 12-13 hrs run is easier to manage. Edit: I've spent the the 2 months on only econ labs
T6 is a sweatspot for me too rn, I need to try T7 again once my wall is build up a little. I’m trying to figure out how you’re getting so many more cells than me haha. One of my last runs was T6 wave 7074 187.11B coins and 17.73K cells. What is your DW cell bonus and cooldown at? That’s the only difference I can think about… That’s crazy, it’s one of my favorite cards for sure!
@PrimosTower hmmmm. My cell bonus is lvl 4 but going now. Maybe I'm not understanding but at 17k+ cells in a day you should be able to run everything at 2x no? Edit. DW damage is very developed but CD is only 4 mins
You say research def % in Labs for turtle build but you don't unlock def % in labs until milestones unlocked in Tier 5 wave 30. Max def % we can get in workshops is 49.5% so how soon should we be looking to do blender build when we struggle to scale up def %
Great catch! This was an oversight on my part not remember how late the Def % lab is unlocked. With it being unlocked in T5 you will likely already be starting blender by the times you unlock it. Blender is the natural progression of the Turtle build and it’s more a question of when you start blender not if. You should be starting blender around a month in when you start getting upgrades like orbs and knockback.
There is a way to do a min range orb devo but I prefer this method bc you can fit more enemies around your tower for the GT/BH activation. Regardless of doing Orb Devo you should still be upgrading your BH size and you can add a sub module effect that increases the size of BH the bonus for epic is a whole 6m. Plus shockwave will help push enemies out toward your BH. Hope that makes, lmk if you have more questions!
@@PrimosTower Actually I'm quite certain that's not right. For a couple of reasons. I've done both quite a lot of both and results are definitely better with 30m range. 1. There's a limit to how many enemies there can be on screen at any given time, (100 is the number most people agree on) which you will easily achieve with 30m range. So actually you will not be stacking more enemies with max range. 2. Golden bot does not scale 1:1 with range. It's close, but as you up range golden bot will lose efficiency. 3. As op said you need a bigger black hole to make sure you catch all the enemies (though it's really not that much) But points 1 and 2 are what really makes 30m range superior Great video though! Keep up the good work! :)
I have nothing against a min range Orb Devo, I chose to make a vid over max range Orb Devo because I believe it is the more widely used version. I could be wrong but I think min range is a more mid/late game Strat. I haven’t used min range too much but my concern is that with shockwave would push too many enemies into the orb range before GT/BH go off bc the reduced distance and that would cause you to not stack as many. Let’s be honest, BH can always use some more size haha. Thank you!
@@PrimosTower That's a valid concern ofc. I find having 1.00 shockwave size to be perfect for trimming the basics at min range. And indeed you might be right that it's more mid/late game as the biggest difference is the effiency of the coinbot. Which I guess isn't too relevant for newer players who should probably focus on getting relics and themes with their medals. Cheers! :)
I don’t know what build I’m doing. I can get to 10,000 on T1 and I can get to 4500 on T8. I make about 68-75B per run and it takes about 8-10 hours. TBH I don’t even know what to do next.
@@velveetaslingshot I haven't spent money on it since I removed ads when I started...but like, I didn't need to do that, I wanted to do that. You can still play 100% for free.
@@breach8813 I wouldn’t say it’s trash, it’s clearly not for everyone, but for someone like me that can’t be on the phone all day playing a game, I can have it in my pocket and occasionally check it and select perks, upgrades and gems and fill that void of wanting to play a game, it’s perfect for me and I can choose to spend or not to spend if I want, I also like that I can’t beat the game in a few months, just my two cents
To a certain degree this true, but you only really need to buy the coin multipliers to compete at the highest levels. Which are "relatively" cheap and a one time purchase. But if you're smart with your strats you can definitely go very far completely f2p too
Ty for the video but I’m confused because the charts at the end make it seem like orb Devo wasn’t even worth it to use?
I should have gone into more detail about this so I apologize about any confusion. The point I was making by showing the charts is that Orb Devo is an early run strat when you first start doing it and it's used to boost overall performance throughout the run. If you are able to start maxing out the workshop (Health, EALS, etc.) then you won't need to stop doing Orb Devo but while you are first trying it out the most optimal way I found was to start with Orb Devo and move into Blender later in the run. I spent almost a month trying out Orb Devo and different times to move to Blender and I wanted to save everyone else that time! I hope that helps clear things up!
@@PrimosTowerhow about on teir 1 do you have any stats for devo on teir 1
I don’t have any stats for T1 and I would prob wait until you are farming T5 or above for Orb Devo.
I am far out of the early game but have to commend a really nice guide for a game that doesn't have many good beginner guides. Kudos!
I appreciate that, thank you!
Only halfway through the video but this is the walkthrough I’ve been looking for. I’ve been playing for a month
Love to hear how useful you found the video! I really hope the video helps!
Thank you! I can't find any solid build guides anywhere. I've been playing for a month and this is by far the best video I have seen!!!
That means a ton, thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video and I really hope it helped!
Great video man! Orb devo has been a game changer for me in my journey. My video last week I was at 700B LTC and by the time my next update comes out I will be at around 1.5T LTC! Keep up the content!
Wow that's amazing! Congrats on the massive boost to your economy!
So what happens if your seeing this after you've already put alot of workshop and lab upgrades into the wrong stuff? Does that completely ruin orb devo?
@@codyforster8871 The workshop would definitely need to be devoed (respec). I don’t think the lab upgrades would affect devo that bad. Just make sure you follow all of the base requirements and do not deviate.
In currently using the blender build and I was pretty lost about where to go next, it seems I should stay on it while researching more. This guide helped me a lot! Keep it up and thank you for the amazing guide! ❤
So happy you found the video useful! Good luck on your tower journey!
Great breakdown, thanks for making the video!
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Thanks for the video. It was worth the wait.
Glad you liked it!
bro, I was your tower go boom at 7:50, and my heart went pacnick mod since I thought that was my tower xD
this video really helps man! just been playing for 2 days
Glad it could help! If you get GT as an option for your first UW, make sure you take it!
@@PrimosTower i didnt get that one sadly :( but i dont wanna restart either
lots of information I was looking for, thank you
Thanks for this helpful guide!
I just almost hit 1billion per minute on tier 8 earlier. Orb Devo is definitely worth it im getting between 2-6 million per kill🎉 love your videos. Keep it up. I would recommend galaxy compresor to help with the cooldown
Thank you so much and congrats on the awesome CPM, 1bil/min is a big milestone and you’re right there! I’ve been using GC for the past week and a half to two weeks and I gotta say I am a quite unimpressed by it. With that said I was expecting a huge boost compared to SH but I got basically the same results.
I’ve been playing a month and got super lucky with my first 3 uw, I have gt bh and dw. What stats in those should I have before starting orb devo. I appreciate your videos. You and crowbar are seriously the most helpful RUclipsrs for this game that I’ve found thank you.
Congrats on the amazing UWs!!! That is so nice, thank you so much! I would make sure they are all synced at a 1:1:1 and don't they to rush doing Orb Devo too soon, make sure you have good cards, modules, and the most important thing is to be able to do 6k+ runs before trying it out!
Awesome thanks for the advice I appreciate it.
What about using enemy/balance card on turtle and blender? Besides the starting cards i have one extra slot, should i use that one, or maybe there's a better option?
Assuming you have health, regen, defense, and fortress on, go ahead and throw enemy balance on! It’s a great card and will mean a ton more coins!
Can I ask for early (5k tier 1) you said hold buying module with gems until level 6 of cards. I was wondering what is the priority for getting more card slots verse upgrading cards?
Anywhere from 10-15 slots is good, I have 13 and don’t really plan to buy another any time soon. I would get slots periodically as you work on upgrading your cards!
@@PrimosTowerthank you great video
@angeldefuego9216 side note for cards: unless they changed the costs recently, the marginal increase in card slots goes up at slot 15. So it seems the devs made a nice cutoff of 14 slots before you max commons. Just my opinion😊
Really great videos bro. 👌🏼 👍🏽
Upgraded common cards can be way more valuable than extra cards. But you should try to land on 10-15 card slots.
Thank you for the informative video. I am only a few days in, slowly building my turtle build. Don't think ive unlocked Perks yet but will keep an eye out for them.
I saw another video saying to use the card enemy balance, which increases the amount of enemies but also 30% more money, is that better than the cash card (havent gotten the card mentioned yet) or would the extra enemies hinder in the long run?
Extra enemies is a great card, I would use both. Buying an extra card slot is great option if you can’t use both.
Great video, definitely the guide I've been looking for! Thank you!. However, I want to point out that Thorn damage does a percent (%) of the enemy's max health in damage when they hit your tower and not a percent (%) of their damage.
Good catch! Glad you enjoyed the video!
@PrimosTower I actually saved the video to keep going back to it from time to time. Thank you again for the valuable information.
If it's no trouble I'd like to ask for specific advice. I've been playing non-stop for two weeks and I feel rather stuck. Highest is wave 3000 on T1 and max push is T11. I want to unlock T12 for better daily mission rewards and I want to have better farming runs (now stuck at max 5~10 Mil coins per run).
It’s no problem at all, what I would do if I were you is first get to wave 4500 on T1. If you do that you get a relic for +2% coins earned which will help your farming runs. Next I want you to periodically every week or two try and go for milestones on other tiers to get extra gems and save those for UWs. Getting good UWs will result in massive boosts to your Econ ie getting GT, BH, and a second BH Finally I want you to get to farming around T1 wave 6000 before you move to T3 (skip T2). This should let you jump to almost wave 4K in T3. Don’t get too caught up in the mission rewards as they are capped and fall off as you progress. Also don’t neglect Econ labs bc they can really help! Hope that helps, all questions are welcome!
@@PrimosTower thank you so much! I'll get right on that.
Hey! Great guide, I keep coming back to check out progression tips. For the cards mentioned, is that for farming or tournament? I’m wanting to push a bit more on milestones and haven’t had much luck finding a good guide for cards. Thanks again for all the info!
I've been doing exactly that (currently blender build) except for i didn't really see that much difference in land mines stun (I'll give it another go) and I bought level skips before the wall (not sure if it was good idea - in any case skips work amazing).
Orb devo I feel like is something that happens mid to late game. Most people move into blender like builds fairly quickly leaving turtle mode very early. But adjusting your workshop to maximize your orb devo farming, what do you for tournaments? I know farming is not the goal of tournaments so do you respec or redo your workshop for tournaments or can you keep it that way and still do well in tournaments? I feel like if you have enough coins to max health and certain other key workshops besides free upgrades etc, then you should have enough cash in game to upgrade the others as the game progresses.
What if I don’t have any of the modules you mention for orb devo ? Can I still be able to do it ?
As long as you have the workshop set up right, GT and BH synced, and the extra orbs card you should be good to go!
ThAnks so much! One more question. Do I need to use the damage card or berserk at all if I’m using eHP build ?
@nguyenleanphuc7138 Nope, thorns and orbs will take care of everything!
Wait. So do you have to respec for EVERY run when you Orb Devo?
i have some relics that give free upgrades. can i no longer have an orb devo build?
As always, great video Primo, enjoyed it, I’m currently using orb Devo as you explained it but I do use smart missiles 20 seconds after GT/BH/DW go off to blow up the protectors, I’m going to try without them, so far tier 10, almost 6 hours at 4300 waves gets me around 600 billion, i do switch to blender at around 3300 waves, I’ll see how I do without SM and SL missiles on, thanks for the video, what will you try to work on next? Sneak peak 😂
Thank you for the consistent support! You’re a real one!
If you are getting some good use out of SM to kill protectors that by all means keep using it. The only thing I would look out for is if SM is eliminating too many tanks, if so you may want to turn it off.
I’m not sure yet but I’m thinking about talking about the wall and when to get it. Do you have any suggestions of what you’d like to see? Lol
@@PrimosTowerthe wall would be a great addition to explain. See a lot of people confused about the Wall, buy too early and it be useless due to the amount of coins you have to invest into labs/upgrades for it to be useable.
@ actually, my next goal is to get the Wall so that would be great, another thing that does confuse me sometimes is knowing what sub module effects to get with certain modules for different builds, not sure if anyone else has that issue and also optimal paths for Ultimate weapons to get the most out of our stones, but any video you make will benefit a lot of players, follow your heart, so far you’re batting 💯 thank you for your hard work bro
I’ve got 3 different videos on my mind rn so it might change but rn the idea I’m most excited about is the walls!
@ look forward to seeing it, I will hold off until you post, we all appreciate the time and effort you put into your videos, quality is great 👍🏼
I didn't know Turtle was a common build, lol. I just used it because killing stuff in 2 hits at wave 600 feels nice
100% the best day one build, I remember I was trying to focus damage before I knew better haha!
no mention of the enemy balance card? it makes more enemies spawn, and makes each spawn worth more cash
I guess I could have mentioned it in the Blender section as well but I did mention it in the Orb Devo section.
I know its been a few days but I want to know for cards, u said that I should spend all my gems into it until tier 2, but do I try to unlock all the cards slot first or do I unlock the cards first? am using cash and extra defense atm. ty for the infos o/
Until your common cards are level 6 cards should be your main focus for spending gems.
When it comes that card slots that’s up to you. 10 slots should still be fairly cheap and allow you to have all the cards you want, after that just save up for another when you feel you want to have another card but not swap out any of your other cards. I currently only have 13 cards.
Hope that helps!
@@PrimosTower okie tenku o/
Thanks for the video! May I ask what should I choose for my 4th UW - between Spotlight and CL?
-- Currently I have CF, GT, BH while BH and coin bot had been sync-ed. Earning at around 40-60M per hour for my runs. My next UW choice unfortunately doesn't have DW but rather provided me PS, CL and Spotlight. I have been struggling to choose between CL and spotlight: For spotlight, I want to choose it as I have the Om Chip plus I want it's coin multiplier; for CL it may greatly increase my damage and I can go further on tournaments and runs, given that I can only rank at around 5-10 in gold league and therefore my stones earned are miserable. Mind if you may provide me with some advice?
I really hope I haven't kept you waiting! Haha!
If you value farming more then take the SL but if you value tournaments I would take CL. Seeing as you already have GT and BH I would maybe get CL. You'll need to put some stones into it but it will make a big difference in your tournaments and hopefully help out a ton!
Also, if it helps when I had a similar choice in the past I took SL bc I valued my farming runs and Econ more at that point. But to this day I have not put a single upgrade into SL so it might not have been worth it haha.
Please let me know what you choose!
@@PrimosTower Thanks so much ♥️ I think my Econ is currently quite OK but I need greater damage for cells and tournaments (Stones in the long run). SL takes a long time to make it useful so I think I shall take CL first
That’s some good reasoning and a great choice!
Great guide. For orb devo, if you have maxed range, what do you set orb distance adjuster to ?
I have my extra orbs set to 60m at 69.5m range. However I found out that its more in the centre of my BH when I level my range lab to lvl 4. so my new range is 75.06. (In case you dont like the range out of run you have a slider to change the range you get from lab. Just go into your lab and click on range and you should be able to see it.
@@raven9323thanks for the info. I will adjust it accordingly
I am using 60m but I don't see anything wrong with what raven9323 is doing, I don't have any problem with tanks getting hit with orbs at 60m but I'm sure what he is doing isn't hurting and I'm going to have to give that a try!
5:56 hey wait, don’t thorns do damage based on enemy’s max health, not their damage?
That is correct!
@ okay cool hehe thank you!
For the Blender build, how do you balance Damage, HP, Absolute Defense and HP regen on the workshop?
For damage, you should be able to max most things, if you can't then make sure you get attack speed, multishot, and bounce shot. Don't focus too much on leveling up damage as the orbs and thorns are what will kill enemies.
For the defense tree you want to max out everything you can and for the remaining try to put more into HP and then HP regen and then Def Abs (for T1-T3).
For utility try to max everything and then focus on EALS as much as possible.
Hope that helps!
Awesome video thank you! It’s confusing a bit for me, I saw few videos and still didn’t get how do you choose which build to do? And I heard opinions on don’t waste on gems at cards but use them only for labs, and in the labs to focus on absolute defense and coins, so what actually is the best way to go? It’s very confusing
What tier and wave are you farming rn?
@ right now I’m early game, i between 1 to 3, the one I farm the most is 1 beacuse I get there up to around 800-900 waves and on tier 3 my highest is 83 wave
Ohh and I did open the orbs already, and right now opened perks.
So when it comes to builds you don't really pick a build to do, the game will start out more defensively and move to offense near mid to late game. Right now you are bridging the gap from turtle to blender. Your workshop and lab research should be focused more into defense.
I don't think I even talked about unlocking labs in the video, whoops. Labs are super important in the game and the more you have the faster you will progress. I'll assume you have 2-3 labs right now, save up to buy your 4th lab now and then decide if you want to save for the 5th right after. If you're super close to another level (1-4 cards away) on your health card, fortress, or defense % cards then maybe try and get those bc the progression they will give you then go back to saving for your 5th lab.
Also, focus your farming on T1 and try to get the relic at wave 4500, it will give you a 2% boost to your coin income. I feel the sweet spot for runs is around wave 6k-8k, this will help you maximize your coin and cell potential.
Glad you enjoyed the video and I hope this helps!
@@PrimosTower wow thanks for all the help and explaining that 🙏 you are amazing! So I should focus right now more to the blender? Or keep with turtle? And yes with the labs I have 3 about to open the 4 :) and about cards I hear all the time that is better to put wave skip, coin, coins critical, wave accelerator, cash and fortress. So you say it’s better to change most of them to health and defense? I have health 2 level and health regeneration level 2.
Great video. One question, im a new player, starting blender build now, is it useful to set target prio on faster enemys first and protectors last so protectors fell on torns?
I would set protectors to first since they can increase the survivability of all enemies allowing them to deal more damage to you and fast enemies don't do any extra damage compared to basic or tanks. You can check the damage of enemies by checking out the wave info tab during runs.
Thanks for the video! Not sure if changing to Devo would help my income and I didn't want to waste the gems 😅. Couple of questions if you know the answer... I run blender with wall, I farm on tier 10, up to wave ~5500 and end with ~400b, 18T LTC.
Will changing to this increase income significantly? What tier should I try this?
I'm not sure but I can help you figure it out for yourself! If a majority of the enemies are dying to orbs then try orb devo, if they are stacking up at your tower and dying do your wall thorns then no.
If you do try it I would expect a significant increase of maybe around 20% or more, I went from Orb Devo to Orb Devo with a wall and say a basically 100% increase in two weeks just by upgrading the wall.
If you try Orb Devo, I would try it maybe a tier or two lower than your normal farming runs, maybe start with T9!
At what time/level would it be recommended to stop with Blender? Im currently doing T9s up to max lvl 1550 and I tried T5 after this video but I could only do up until around wave 2550 with way less coin/h then my T9 runs...
I would recommend that you actually try runs on lower tiers. The longer your runs are the better the return for both coins and cells. Over time you’ll slowly move on from blender are you gain more damage and damaged based UW’s. Damage builds are a more late game build so focus on defense and Econ for the next 6+ months. I hope that helps!
I'm about a month in and I've got all my lab slots and 11 card slots and farming around T4-T6 depending on how much time I have to pay attention to the game. Do you think it's worthwhile to research workshops discounts then respec to get a bunch of coins back? I have them all at around 10% currently and was maybe going to pull the trigger when they're all 15%
I don’t think it’s worth it and here’s why:
1. Think of the discount as a way to get more levels into the workshop as you would have otherwise, not a way to get coins back.
2. You should be able to continuously upgrade the workshop week over week so the price will keep increasing therefore if you’re getting 15% back from what you put in a few weeks ago it will be 15% or 100k not the current 1mil just for an example.
3. Additionally if you are using this as a way to get coins you need to think about the 150 gems per respec, is 2.5 hours of gems worth that small amount of coins?
It’s not a bad upgrade it’s just not good for that reason! Hope that helps!
Great Video! thank you for taking the time to make it! really cleared out things. One question. In blender you are saying we should be researching for EALS. Which milestone unlocks this research?
Glad you enjoyed the video! I believe it’s T11 wave 200!
@@PrimosTower Thank you for actually responding. One last question please. If I got it right, while playing blender, during the actual run all I am upgrading is Health. Is that wrong?
I am at 25b lifetime coins atm, and i can't get past wave 2800 on t2. Am I playing it wrong? Should i be able to get past that? (I Know that every tower is different and there is no general yes or no answer to this question, just give me a rough estimation if possible.)
P.s. Do we care about Super Crit?
It's no problem, responding to comments is really fun and questions are encouraged.
While playing blender health is really important but (I know you're not at this point yet but please just bare with me) once you get EALS you should focus it at the start of runs so that the overall waves skipped can be as high as possible! After that focus on dumping cash into the rest of the utility upgrades so that more free upgrades are allocated to EALS and once that becomes unaffordable focus on health, regen, and Def Abs equally (if you're T3 or under).
What wave should I be reaching in T1, before moving to T2? And is this the same for 2-3, 3-4, etc?
Two things, first, you don't farm T2, the increase in difficulty isn't worth the increase in coins. This will be the only tier you don't want to farm. So try and jump from tier 1 to 3. Personally I farmed tier 1 for way too long, I was reaching wave 10k each run and then I jumped to farming T5 wave 6k. Second, I cant give you an exact number but I like to farm up to wave 6k-7k on whatever tier I can. This helps me maximize my coin and cell earning potential but by all means longer runs are never bad. Try out T3 every few weeks until your coins and cells per run are greater than on T1! Hops that helps!
@PrimosTower thank you :)
love the video im just wonderting how do you tell if you are in late game or still early to mid
Okay this is a big question and I am only speculating bc I am in the early part of mid game haha. There are a ton of factors that go into it like UWs, research, Econ, or even Workshop Enhancements but a I would guess being able to do long runs in T16+ with a damage build is a good measure of being in the late game.
@@PrimosTower so im very early game as im only just hitting t13 and can only get to 40 haha
What about plasma cannon? Taking one less attack from boss can push for more waves
Plasma cannon is great for tournaments when the heat is over healing bosses other than that its just okay. In long runs bosses arn't usually the think that is killing you.
Hi how to unlock garlic thorns? Vampires drain me dead in T1 1500+ rounds 😢
I believe you unlock the research at T2 wave 2k. It has 10 levels and caps out at 5%. Good luck in your journey!
@PrimosTower Thank you, T2s last research to unlock is on wave 1k, my best round is 826 waves! So Misson set T2 1k+ 😃
Thanks for the video! Great editing by the way. I can't imagine how much work that takes.
Devo still kind of confuses me, I'll have to play back your guide at slow speed or something to figure out how it all works. Still think I'm a few months away. I still need to get a my UW's levelled up. Was thinking of picking up a 4th UW to go with my GT, BH and DW. Hopefully a damage one like Chain Lightning since I have that Dimension Core. I just want to zap stuff harder deeper in to waves... especially those Protectors.
Glad you enjoyed the video, thank you so much! Good luck getting BH or DW! BH can deal with those protectors too!
@@PrimosTower A few weeks later and I'm rocking the Orb Devo build on Tier 5. I'm stuck with my Def Abs and Health Regen being pretty weak right now. So I'm slowly working on those in Workshop and Labs. But it's still netting me a very nice increase in coins over Blender. My old 'farm' was Blender Tier 6 for about 15B. Now in Orb Devo it's Tier 5 for about 30B and counting.
Working on getting my DW in 1:1 sync with BH/GT. And starting to switch from buying Cards in to buying Modules. I have none of the desirable natural Epic Modules yet...
Hi. Can I know how you play, In emulator on PC or phone (what model)? After a match of 600+ waves the phone gets very hot and needs to be in the game for more than 2 hours
On your computer look up either bluestacks or LDS player, those are the best emulators!
Already spend a good amount on my first account I didn’t get golden tower on my first or second ult weapon should I restart if I don’t get it on my third after grinding for 150 stones
Did you spend a good amount of time or money??? I’m assuming time, if that’s the case hopefully you have BH or DW or both and I would at leave get if you have one or both (after UW 3) I’d at least try for UW 4. Personally I don’t think restarting is worth it but I got GT as my second so I don’t know how much it hurts to not have it.
@PrimosTower actually I was referring to money lol around $100 for all the current beginning packs and some gems. But I have spotlight and deathwave so hopefully I get it on my third. I realize this game is gonna take time so I’ll power through and put my time in I’ve only been playing for a week
Whoops lol
Yeah SL and especially DW are great, I would just keep going with those, let me know what you get for your 3rd and 4th UWs!
@@PrimosTower definitely just need to grind the stones from the events and tournaments so I’ll check back in soon thank you your videos helped me reach 1500 on tier 1 in a day
I love to hear that! So glad that I could help!
If i respec my workshop for doing devo,is it okay for tournament? Im in platinum for now
And im still at 150B ltc,but i got gtbh sync and got 2nd BH..is it worthy to respec for orb devo? Thankyou
I feel like there are two questions being asked.
1. It does sound like you’re ready for orb devo, if you don’t have BH damage at max then work on that.
2. Orb Devo is a farming Strat so you don’t want to use it in tournaments. The farther away from a max workshop you are the harder tournaments will be with Orb Devo. With that said you should be fine in tournaments just make sure you are keeping your workshop up to date by investing coins and when you begin the tournament run level up your free upgrades.
@@PrimosTower yes i have 2% max damage for my BH
Yes im still far2 away from max workshop 😭maybe ill try respec it once later and see how it progress during the tournaments...thanks for the answer bro 👏👍
I still think you should try Orb Devi and try doing a tournament run with Orb Devo to see how you do, you may be surprised! Also why I recommend getting all the XYZ effects or duration stuff is for tournaments so you only have to buy the chance if that makes sense lol.
@ yeah okay maybe ill try that later,since i always upgrade my health too during farming or tournament,that wont be much different anyway 😂
thorns doesn't do a percentage of the enemy damage but a percentage of the enemy max health as damage whenever they hit you
Thanks!
I pretty much run the same except I do farm Death Wave health to max it out. I'm curious if you think "Being Annihilator" works since (for offense) I am focusing on damage and crit to up that UW damage? Edit: currently farming tier 6 for 12 hours runs with about 100-150b and enough cells for 2x on all
If you are at a point where you're moving from a defensive to offensive playstyle then I think Being Annihilator will be a great choice!
Also what wave are you getting to on T6, I'm averaging 9-10 hours and only 1-2 on my labs are running at x2.
@PrimosTower last night's ran to 7500 on t6 and got 156b. I've tried both 5 and 7. T6 is working by far thr best. I could probably do better CPM on t7 but the way my timing works is a good 12-13 hrs run is easier to manage.
Edit: I've spent the the 2 months on only econ labs
@PrimosTower dude. And I have NOT pulled a single Wave Accelerator yet......wtf....
T6 is a sweatspot for me too rn, I need to try T7 again once my wall is build up a little.
I’m trying to figure out how you’re getting so many more cells than me haha. One of my last runs was T6 wave 7074 187.11B coins and 17.73K cells. What is your DW cell bonus and cooldown at? That’s the only difference I can think about…
That’s crazy, it’s one of my favorite cards for sure!
@PrimosTower hmmmm. My cell bonus is lvl 4 but going now. Maybe I'm not understanding but at 17k+ cells in a day you should be able to run everything at 2x no?
Edit. DW damage is very developed but CD is only 4 mins
You say research def % in Labs for turtle build but you don't unlock def % in labs until milestones unlocked in Tier 5 wave 30. Max def % we can get in workshops is 49.5% so how soon should we be looking to do blender build when we struggle to scale up def %
Great catch! This was an oversight on my part not remember how late the Def % lab is unlocked. With it being unlocked in T5 you will likely already be starting blender by the times you unlock it. Blender is the natural progression of the Turtle build and it’s more a question of when you start blender not if. You should be starting blender around a month in when you start getting upgrades like orbs and knockback.
Good video. One correction... Thorns deals a percentage of the enemy health, not a percentage of the enemy damage.
Yeah a few people pointed it out :/ lol, glad you enjoyed the video!
Why max out range with Orb devo? Wouldn't that make Black hole not reach every enemy? Unless of course you have a massive range on your black hole.
There is a way to do a min range orb devo but I prefer this method bc you can fit more enemies around your tower for the GT/BH activation. Regardless of doing Orb Devo you should still be upgrading your BH size and you can add a sub module effect that increases the size of BH the bonus for epic is a whole 6m. Plus shockwave will help push enemies out toward your BH. Hope that makes, lmk if you have more questions!
@@PrimosTower Actually I'm quite certain that's not right. For a couple of reasons. I've done both quite a lot of both and results are definitely better with 30m range.
1. There's a limit to how many enemies there can be on screen at any given time, (100 is the number most people agree on) which you will easily achieve with 30m range. So actually you will not be stacking more enemies with max range.
2. Golden bot does not scale 1:1 with range. It's close, but as you up range golden bot will lose efficiency.
3. As op said you need a bigger black hole to make sure you catch all the enemies (though it's really not that much)
But points 1 and 2 are what really makes 30m range superior
Great video though! Keep up the good work! :)
I have nothing against a min range Orb Devo, I chose to make a vid over max range Orb Devo because I believe it is the more widely used version. I could be wrong but I think min range is a more mid/late game Strat.
I haven’t used min range too much but my concern is that with shockwave would push too many enemies into the orb range before GT/BH go off bc the reduced distance and that would cause you to not stack as many.
Let’s be honest, BH can always use some more size haha.
Thank you!
@@PrimosTower That's a valid concern ofc. I find having 1.00 shockwave size to be perfect for trimming the basics at min range.
And indeed you might be right that it's more mid/late game as the biggest difference is the effiency of the coinbot. Which I guess isn't too relevant for newer players who should probably focus on getting relics and themes with their medals.
Cheers! :)
I don’t know what build I’m doing. I can get to 10,000 on T1 and I can get to 4500 on T8.
I make about 68-75B per run and it takes about 8-10 hours.
TBH I don’t even know what to do next.
Thorns does damage based on enemy health, not enemy damage
Man, if I had a nickel for every time I got this comment I could afford some stone packs haha
massive?
This game used to be 100% free.
it still is
@CSDragon right lol
@@velveetaslingshot I haven't spent money on it since I removed ads when I started...but like, I didn't need to do that, I wanted to do that.
You can still play 100% for free.
I think you can totally play the game free to play as long as you accept that progress will be super slow.
How TF u got 118 coin multiply in tier 6 when i only get 10 coin multply, cheaaat
Do you have all packs bought?
@@lazycat3878 mine is 122.21 on t6..... buy the packs knucklehead
@patriotnate7568 clearly you’re a cheater too! Haha
@lazycat3878 all of the multipliers in the game multiply so you can check out all the ones I have that total that amount in the video.
Game is trash, it's a pay to win OR play the game for literally like 20 years... 😅
Amen it is haha
@@breach8813 I wouldn’t say it’s trash, it’s clearly not for everyone, but for someone like me that can’t be on the phone all day playing a game, I can have it in my pocket and occasionally check it and select perks, upgrades and gems and fill that void of wanting to play a game, it’s perfect for me and I can choose to spend or not to spend if I want, I also like that I can’t beat the game in a few months, just my two cents
To a certain degree this true, but you only really need to buy the coin multipliers to compete at the highest levels. Which are "relatively" cheap and a one time purchase.
But if you're smart with your strats you can definitely go very far completely f2p too