PS! With new changes to the tower range and enemy sizes happening with the incoming update to the game, I will make a pinned post with updates on what this may change or what may be considered the new optimal range for orb devo. Some are already debating whether min range is a lot less effective and nerfed now. Anyways, stay tuned on that, and anyways don't level your range workshop so that you have the flexibility to pivot where needed.
@@kaceydillin7367 unfortunately we are kinda clueless "upcoming stuff" as the developers never say anything in advance. The only timeframe when we know what has changed is when they've updated the game and published an announcement on Discord - but then it can take anything from 1-24 hours until you receive the update on your device as that just depends on Apple/Google processing the app updates basically.
from what we are testing about minrange, 30m is pretty unplayable if you require shuffling, that being said if you have low enough uw cds that you dont require shuffling, you still can use 30m range and maybe 0.9 sw size if not, 40m range and 1-1.1 sw size works fine still would recommend 69.5m 1.4sw size to new players tho! for wall its similar, but much worse, some are seeing that even 69.5m range with wall can lead to some trimming and are opting for 3 range labs
CHAPTERS: 0:00 Intro 2:28 Base Requirements 5:02 Additional Things You Ideally Have 7:56 Quality of Life Additions 8:44 Workshop & Respec 9:27 Attack Workshop 9:54 Defense Workshop 13:08 Utility Workshop 13:41 The Key Cards 14:00 Ideal Cards 14:53 Perk Priorities 16:32 Bad Perks 17:54 Perk Bans when Active 19:30 Perks when AFK 20:41 Modules 24:14 Strategy First Part (both wall and non-wall) 26:32 Strategy Second Part - non-wall 30:34 Strategy Second Part - wall 33:56 Strategies summarised 35:06 Key things to improve 36:06 PS! Note regarding cells 36:43 PS! Tracking Your Runs 38:45 Outro & Thanks
Thank you for the details for this my life coins is only 8.19B and i devoed with focus on unlocking enemy skip and high health. I say from my experience that i should have waited since i lake any important models and found it hard to farm anything above tier 1. However, now i have a deeper understanding i will be pushing the tiers. Basically, i think my next steps will be to get lucky to get needed models and will upgrade parts to make blender shifting earlier easier. Thank you again for the infor and helpful resources!
@@JPlays1 just wanted to say - took your advice, rerolled my workshop (had 2 trillion), and now im making triple the income. insane. sadly i had once done literally one lab for ranged when i was young and stupid so my tower range is 30.6m
@@michaelkatchan hey man! I got some good news for you. You can revert your range when you are outside of a run. Next time you are, simply go to your Range lab and click on it - you will see a slider to adjust it. But anyways, I wouldn't expect much difference between 30 and 30.6. But anyways note the aforementioned trick to adjust your range - because, range can be good in tournaments, especially when dealing with fast battle conditions. So in the future you are likely to lab Range a bit and only "put it on" for tournament runs.
i love this video and how in depth you go into every single aspect of the strategy. I am taking notes so I can try this out once I get black hole and golden tower in sync!
PS! I've tried to cover as many variables and considerations as possible, including by adding lots of text disclaimers and additional info where relevant - but there will undoubtedly be unique scenarios that also haven't been covered in the video. If so, feel free to ask and I'll try my best to help and share my insights.
How long are your Devo runs? I've just started doing Devo and I wanna know what I should try to run (for example, I used to do T5 and went on about 6.5k waves on my blender but it may be better to do a lower tier for Devo?)
@ I was basically doing orb devo on a given tier until I could reach to 4.5-5k waves (with CTO) and then promoting to the next. So if you see my personal bests they are basically all in that range from tier 1-9. That’s what turned out most efficient and effective for me. You of course have to assess your own situation and measure/compare your runs to see what works for you.
I used to devo before the DW rework, but went into full AFK blender because of school and work this semester. Will definitely come back to this guide as soon as the semester is done and I can be more active playing while at work. Great guide! Oh and you started about a month later than me and I think we're just about the same progress wise, so devo definitely works.
@@J0baka cool, and yeah the DW rework made it less of an absolute necessity to devolve to earn the DW health multiplier. And also adding that when I went on vacation earlier in the game, I too went just basic blender for a bit - schedule/availability matters indeed. One thing to add as you’re about the same strength as me is that nowadays I can go extremely AFK and it still works well. Barely have to touch it, which is down to low sync time, auto-pick perks and already survivability/regen. Active runs with active perks is always gonna be better ofc - but even just completely sending the orb devo run from the get-go and not touching it AT ALL outperforms my blender quite significantly now.
This guide is amazing. Although I don’t run orb devo, just setting up my UW similar to your setup doubles my coins per run. I just press start on tier 10 and let let the free upgrade max all stats til end of run around 4.6k. I finally hit the 1T+ per run. Thank you.
@ well before I came across your guide, I was saving the stones to unlock another UW. I was thinking of unlocking all UWs to boast economy with GT+. I had unlocked 7, and sync BH-60s, GT-120s, DW-120s, and GB-120s. SL was barely upgraded. I was making 490+ coins per run. When I saw your vid, I saw your LTC is 3x mine and I could copy close to almost all your UW stats with my coins instead. Since I already synced my UW I need to boast the rest BH-19s to 25s duration BH-44m to 50m SL-32d to 50d SL-x15 to x26.7 SL-2q to 3q GT-x15 to x20.2 GT-35s to 46s GB- added +8m using module you recommended. So instead of trying to get GT+ like I originally planed, I boasted my economy doing this. It more than doubled my coins per run. Going to work on these UWs stats more for now, as now I hit about 2T per run. Thanks again for the help.
@@nigelmagsombol4100 That is awesome! And I think you made the right move as GT+ is still a fair bit away in terms of being an efficient target for both of us.
Fantastic guide! I am a new player only playing 2 weeks. I make like 1B a day. Gonna be awhile before I can try this as the 2nd BH is like 12B lab, oof. 😩 Love this content. Thank you so much!
Hey just wanna say thanks for the video! Really appreciate someone making a video on it as it was asked for a few times XD Also really nice of you to include my orbdevo discussion as well 👀would need your help to answer the questions in it tho :)
@@JPlays1 well in general XD fortunately quite a few people do stick around the discussion chat to help answer questions from new players, but itd always be nice if more experts could help out :)
I'm trying this for the first time as I watch this video and it does seem to be working! Not sure how long I'll live since I kind of messed up my WorkShop Respec, but I should be able to get back on point soon enough. The only thing I need to figure out now is where I should be grinding! I've been getting to around 3,500 on T9, using Blender, and that gave me my best results. Let's see what happens here!
The fact is you start devo same like me at 16b coins. i start in August and with devo orb i jump on 80T. it's very good for people hunting coins at the beginning of the game. Thanks for video. im now change to orbless but i still suggest my friend doing orb devo :)
Cool, great progress you've made! And, yeah I will also eventually go orbless - but only when I can do so very AFK - as I'm just too busy with other stuff to micromanage a run to the extend it would have been if I swapped now.
Absolutely amazing content! I went orb devo last week to test it out but ended up going back to blender when I hit legends again. I’m still on the fence if it’s worth having more coins now or more stones now.
@@OmgThatsKoo yeah, for those stuck in the scenario of constantly promoting from Champ and demoting from Legends - they may be better of delaying devo strategies until they’ve solidified their tournament standings more. I’m facing similar dilemma - but since I’m very hyper focused orb devo, I will stick with it and grind that way to hopefully solidify regular Legend tournament placement. I’ll also add that I’d make more stones by winning Champ and demoting Legends than say, getting consistently the lowest regular spots in Legends, so there’s that. Though no guarantee to winning anything though :)
@ I think I’m gonna stick to my current goal of getting BH cooldown to 50 seconds. It’s so close but so far away at 90 seconds. After that, full on devo using this guide. It’s so much more in-depth and insightful than any other guide I’ve seen that it made me realize I did some things wrong the first time.
@ ohh, I’m glad to hear it was able to shed a light on some things 🙏 And best of luck with the cooldown journey - prob won’t take you too long in Legends! I’ll look for your gamer tag when I’ll occasionally visit it too :D
Thx for this build man! I just respec to it and cpm when from 100-300m to constant 300m since wave 1000 on T6 and I hit 430m peak for the first time. My GT and BH are synced at 3min and my BH is permanent ( I dont use the module to sync all 3, I feel like I lose a lot from BH like this)
@@OrcTower hi, glad it’s of help! I’m not sure I fully understand your situation - maybe you could clarify: you say you have permanent BH but when synced they are at 3 minutes? That math doesn’t add up for me. What are their individual cooldowns?
@@OrcTower ahh understood - that’s a quite interesting situation. Probably only worth using the MVN sync module IF it also means syncing with the Golden Bot then. Otherwise you are probably better off without the MVN module to sync for a while. But syncing is super massive if you can get it to sync with Golden Bot too - but that requires some CD reduction ofc
Amazing guide! I have a question: does the transition to this strategy hurt your tournament performance? Especially if you do it at minimal recommended LTC of 50b
It's a great question and the initial response is the lame answer "it depends". Doing orb devo can help you easier max DW health multiplier in tournaments (ofc assuming you have DW) - which was key for my personal tournament progression - as you can hoard and kill a lot more with DW. And since you are killing more stuff while GT is active too, you also earn more cash than starting with blender. But: - If you don't have DW, it could negatively impact your tournaments some. - If you have DW but can easily max the health multiplier already while doing blender, it could have some slight negative impact. As it will take you some waves to upgrade your freeups at the start of the run to have in-run blender and freeups going. The way I approached it from the get-go was this though: - With all the increased coins, I am getting my workshop faster up to 5,000+ (Health, Damage, Regen) which basically used to be what would roughly take you to promote from Plat tournaments (I don't know if that is still true). And at the point of getting it 5,000+ I could then also start to afford to max things in runs and continue to beat anyone running blender from the get-go. And then thereafter, I did try various tournaments to compare both starting as blender versus starting as orb devo and the difference was negligible. Anyways, I'm not saying that being Orb Devo while doing tournaments is perfect or 100% problem free. You gotta ofc consider your own situation etc., and if your runs are super short in tournaments, it likely will be negative for you. I guess the main thing for you to consider is if you think that the increased coin gain will help you get stronger and thus outperform a different version of you who did blender, got a handful more free upgrades in tournaments but had less LTC.
But considering that you have 50B and probably not the second BH yet, I will probably at least wait until you have that before considering orb devo. And ideally DW.
Very well made video! Gives a lot of clarity. By doing this are you then going to sacrifice your tournament runs by having everything else devo’ed in ws? Sure you can upgrade mid run for tournament but it will still cost you your normal placements?
@@xgx5006 the tournament performance difference have been extremely little. Tested many times when undevoing for milestone runs and sometimes it’s the same waves, sometimes a handful waves shorter and sometimes significantly longer with devo (see second paragraph). But, if your tournament runs are super short, such as in Legends, it will absolutely differ negatively (and same goes for aforementioned short milestone runs ofc). For some, there is also the opposite to consider - esp. if you have Death Wave. I.e., that starting your run devo could help you get max DW health multiplier by hoarding more enemies before the enemies get too strong. Of course, nowadays one can earn DW health even while doing blender - but that’s small amounts and may in various circumstances not be enough. For a long time in the past I had to basically cheese my way to max DW health in various tournaments. Now that I have 4 waves and low CD that’s less of an issue though.
@ okay I will try it out this tournament. In the last tournaments I was #3 in play and moved up to champs then got rekt so I’m back in plat and this will be an easy test to see if I rank at the same 2-4 in plat or fall off a bit more. That plus the coins calculation will help determine if my build is ready to run this. Of course no death wave suckssss for me at this point and probably not ready for wall either
@@RPE11Strength get an app that can connect to your PC. I use Chrome Remote Desktop - it’s in the AppStore. Download that to your phone. Be sure it’s the official Google app for it. On your PC the first time you just gotta set up your connection point and password: remotedesktop.google.com/access Once that’s done you simply use the app to connect to your PC.
Bro, thanks for tips. BTW u know u CAN revert to 1 extra orb? Outside of a run, in research tab, you can use arrows on any given research to move to a specific research lvl.
Saw whaaaaat?! When was that introduced? I thought it was only shockwave size and range I could do that on. Will have a go at that straight after my current run, thank you!
@@Anamukajojo cheers man. You got me excited now - haha almost want to quit my run prematurely to test it out! So, would this apply to the Orb Speed lab as well then? Guess I'll have some interesting testing to do ahead!
@@JPlays1 As far as I know, it applies to all the Labs. I mean I ddint test much, just tried taking the AS all the way to 1 for a run. But has seen these arrows on all the labs.
@@Anamukajojo cool! Haha I doubt some, such as Lab Speed is some that you can adjust :D My dam long run never ends, so I won't find out until tomorrow it seems!
Hey, great guide, that's S tier content that was missing regarding Orb Devo. I have 2 questions: - Would it make cense to push GT and BH duration to 50sec so protectors die in 1 rotation ? Or is this not that helpful or too costly for what it brings ? Because I have Duration for both at 42sec right now (with BH perk) and cooldown at 120sec synced with Golden Bot. But no SL and DW cooldown at 240sec - Also, I'm trying to understand what Wormhole Redirector really does but I don't understand it. Can't try cause i don't have it yet. Can you or someone else reading help me understand it please :)
@@mathieu221 Nice, you’re in a good spot - syncing with Golden Bot is really nice. As for your question: 1. That sounds way too costly compared to what it brings. You won’t have coin decay anyways with those CDs, so it won’t change that much in that regard. And if you don’t have/use MVN you would be killing a lot more of your stack before your DW applies its things, etc. Also, you may pull up a stone calculator to confirm this, but I’m pretty sure you could have gotten your CDs massively further down with stones - as opposed to the duration idea - and it would give you a lot more gain. 2. Eventually in the game Regen becomes king for survivability to a greater extent than health. What WHR does is that it makes Regen also work on your extra package health. So instead of just getting new packages at times after a wave round, you also heal this up automatically with WHR. So it basically just really enhances your survivability. I also didn’t have it until recently - which is why I went wall a tad bit earlier than conventional as the wall kinda works in the same way as WHR in terms of regen and survivability. Which also means that WHR becomes less important once you have a wall, but at late waves for me, Fasts teleport through my wall, and the only way I can squeeze through a few more hundred waves at that point is with WHR as it out heals the damage Fasts are doing directly to the tower. Sorry for rambling, I’ll try to write a bit more concise later on computer - now on phone :)
@ 👌 thanks for the feedback. If I understand it right WHR add the amount said in the description to the Health regen by second then I guess I’ll target a 100sec cooldown on the Econ UW + golden bot then go SL 😃
@@mathieu221 WHR lets your regen heal up to the X percentage of total package health you got. So, say at Ancestral Regen can heal all the way up to 100% of your package health.
When did you start with Bluestacks? I heard some had issue with it today and that reinstalling fixed it for them. I've never had any issue with Bluestacks. Let me know if your issue persists and I'll fetch my settings that work at least.
What about it? You may see some of my other comments and replies in the comments section where I discuss the impact of using this strategy on tournaments.
This video is really helpful. I can farm tier 8 to wave 5000ish with blender. When I try devo on tier 7 I start getting chipped horrible and die around 1400. How do you like transition into inevitably maxing everything for blender to finish the run without over doing it? I have my base stats dmg,health,regen,defense abs all at 4000 each.
Since you are dying so early I am guessing you don't have WHR module or wall, which is fine, but just makes survivability a bit harder. I was also in the same situation for a while. If you are actively playing what you can gradually do is to increase attack speed and damage workshop/cards - basically that your lifesteal will continue to keep you alive. But once that is not possible anymore, then I would just turn on all blender stuff. Also, you could see if tier 6 is feasible for still some increased coin income or not compared to your blender tier 8.
@ yea I’m trying that with my current run. Have to be a bit more active and involved. May have to take my regen card out and replace it with attack speed to keep the lifesteal up. I think once I get more perk bans then it will be more smooth. I
@@JamesSherer Cool! Let me know how it goes. And if turns into too much micromanagement for minimal gains you can always revert back to it later when your workshop etc. is stronger. Tough I'm guessing you've already used 150 gems to respec, so I hope it works out for you from the get-go.
@@JamesSherer haha awesome. Well on that note, keep me posted and let me know if there ways I can be of help or any guidance. Best of luck! I feel the pressure now to make you thrive with your new direction!
@@toadily6134 Yeah I should have covered that specifically too, darn it - maybe I’ll make a small follow-up video at some point. But to answer your question: The main core premise I mentioned in the video - which is to just target Basics and then whatever after that if target priority lvl 2 (and to put elites and bosses below at the bottom. But as with everything there are situational stuff to consider: - I tend to have Protectors above Basics just to try to help with getting rid of them - which is a bit more relevant if you have wall and therefore use damage to trim, but yeah. I anyways notice minimal effect from it. - And nowadays that I get to roughly wave 6k on tier 10, I’ve had Fasts as first priority for a while as that helped address the Fasts teleporting through the wall issue as I could then knock them back into my wall at the end of runs (so then I had Fasts, then Protector, then Basics. However, now I have and use a mythic WHR so now I’m not concerned about my tower dying before my wall anymore, so now I don’t target Fasts anymore. - If I had a really long sync time, I probably would have considered greater importance on Spotlight targeting. I.e., if something has to anyways die to not reach spawn cap, might as well do it in the spotlight multiplier. This may also apply on the opposite side of the scale when sync is so low that it doesn’t matter what you’re hoarding - and I’m currently testing that out to a greater extent, but nothing conclusive on that front yet though i expect my SL damage bonus is too big for it not just simply be detrimental. - And say, if orb devo build and facing scenario where you struggle to get max death wave multiplier in tournament before the enemies get too strong, I’d start targeting tanks just to try to keep as many things alive until the Deathwave goes off. This strategy less relevant nowadays though when you can gradually earn DW health even as blender. But it still has some tournament and milestone use cases for beginning of runs. Sorry for rambling, hopefully more helpful than confusing. Wish I could just share screenshots here too. Maybe I’ll toss that in a community post later.
@@JPlays1 Detailed explanations are always great. Thanks. I'm using ACP since I can't stop pulling them, my only ancestral module. So I'll target fast first as I have noticed it killing me half of the time. New update did fix this though, so once it hits I'll switch fast out again.
@ hmm. You got an interesting case. I think you will have a great use of MVN - at least try. And hear me out: with the legendary substat for MVN your sync time will be 3:40 (220 seconds). With that you have a really cool and good chance to also sync your Golden bot (get the timer down from 120 seconds to 110 seconds and it will multiply at the same time as your other econ UWs every 2nd time). Do note however that you ought to hoard (such as orb devo) for these sync things to be massive. I.e., if you ran blender with all these things synced it wouldn’t do that much as you wouldn’t be killing that many enemies on screen during the multipliers.
@ ahh with Gcomp then you can disregard my Golden Bot comment :) still think you should try the MVN for your case though. I think the coin income will increase a bit, plus you’ll earn more cells with the lower DW. How many waves do you have on your Death Wave btw?
I'm at 6T LTC and I decided to try this, I'm making roughly the same coins in a run from when I was blender and I think its strictly because I don't have free upgrades getting my enemy level skips that high so I'm getting like 2000-3000 less waves. I don't have wall unlocked yet because I want to focus my labs on getting all my BH/GT/DW labs finished. What do you think is my best approach?
@@Sirisaaclime.13 first of all - are you saying you earn the same per run or that you earn the same average per hour for both? Those are two very different things, so any further advice will depend on which one it is :) Also, how long are your runs usually in terms of wave length? Asking as it sounds like a very high wave count. You of course gotta do you and what best fits your schedule, but roughly speaking you are advised to move on to a next tier when you can reach 4,500 with CTO. Many exceptions ofc - so don’t take it as 100% rule - but it was great guidelines that worked efficiently for me at least. Until reaching tier 10, there one will stay much longer.
@@Sirisaaclime.13 and also, I doubt that this is strictly down to ELS - like how many skips would you have in your blender versus the orb devo run? I doubt the skip difference is 2000-3000 skips. But it may certainly be a factor for some reduction yeah. And note that, as mentioned in the video, that one generally may go down a tier or two when moving from blender to orb devo, but which will still generally outperform blender.
@@Sirisaaclime.13 and to answer your question. Originally I was also gonna finish those UW econ labs before touching wall - but as I didn’t have WHR - I knew that wall was gonna be a massive improvement and finally have regen kick in. So if you’re in the same position without WHR, then I’d highly recommend wall. I started it around your same LTC too.
Damn 50B i am only at 3B, also why do we use critical coin if our crit starts of at 0%, i mean we do upgrade it in a run but still..... Either way very helpfull guide
1. Orbs, DW, thorns, etc. also count as critical damage for that card. 2. Some just have Crit Chance AND Crit Factor maxed and then never have to deal with them again. I prefer the flexibility of not having Crit Chance on from the get-go, in part as it boosts my damage a lot - but at the same time, if you have DW, it will just prolong the DW ring so your enemies anyways likely to be healthier once the ring drops. So yeah, just try out what works for you in-run and then you can make potential tweaks to the actual workshop thereafter in terms of what works for you.
@@mitchellshort8159 no, I don’t have it labbed yet myself. You always gotta consider what’s killing you at the end of a run though - but it has never been bosses for me.
I have 2T LTC and have tried using it, but it hasn’t worked for me. It earns 20 times less than my usual build. Maybe I’m not ready for it yet. This strat is also not good for tournament.
@@darktower2024 hmm, 20 times less than what? Probably some key things missing then - and every tower is different. Never anything absolute best thing for everyone. So if doing your thing works out better, then do so. 👌 The strat is totally ok for tournament and I’ve done fine for months in tournaments. But you are absolute correct IF the tournament run is short and you have low LTC - or if you don’t have Death Wave - then it can be detrimental. If I wanted to, I can max all free upgrades in a handful waves in a tournament so it doesn’t really differ - and just gives you the possibility of alternative beginnings where you can cheese (e.g., charging berserker DW ring, or hoarding if you can’t max DW health yet in tournament., etc.) It basically just gives you greater flexibility - for minimal trade off. I’ll check next tournament how quickly it takes me to max free upgrades to give a more solid and specific answer - but it’s low. But depending on the battle conditions I don’t necessarily want free upgrades until I’ve secured Death Wave maxed health multiplier - so we’ll see about the conditions first :D
@@wmmow first of all, as mentioned in the video, to ensure that each of your BH pulls does 50%+ damage so that you kill them in two cycles. That’s the main thing. You can also try targeting protectors above basics with target priority - but I notice minimal difference with that.
Your should turn off everything the beginning. I devo on tier 10 until 3k waves. No orbs, mines or uws other than bh,gt,sl and dw. No atk speed, bounce, rapid or multi until 3.5k waves. This keeps me steady at around 5-10b/min from wave 1.5k on.
Hi man, yeah I mention in the video to turn off UWs and not do orbs, mines etc. Just checking if there is anything specific you feel like I said wrong or disagree with? I think we are on the same page? Two quick things to note about my runs, which are mentioned in the video: - I prefer an AFK approach nowadays with auto-perks, and thus get orbs via perk as I don't have enough bans, but which anyways doesn't end up hurting the run too much as they circle out slowly far outside the tower range. - For orb devo with wall, you rely more on gradual damage increase for trimming enemies (as opposed to thorns for non-wall). The extent of when to upgrade these in a run will depend on the strength of your tower etc. ofc. And once you get to a low enough sync, you basically stop trimming altogether.
@@JPlays1 sorry I didn't watch the full video. It was playing in the background while I was working. I don't do auto perk. But I have the game on always close by. I honestly can't for atk speed lab, and dmg lab to be finished. Both in 90s.
@@Madxcot Haha no worries. And wow, that's some nice attack speed! Jealous of that. Not sure I understand your reason for Damage lab at 90 though - unless your Crit Factor is also in the 90-range, as Crit Factor is a bit stronger than Damage lab in terms of overall damage output. But hey, you're anyways close to finishing it off! Nice.
@@thebigrandy321 hmm, maaaaany factors to that but some immediate things that come to mind: I’d focus econ UW labs to help upgrade your workshop health and damage - which then in turn helps you move up tiers and earn more coin. And once I can reach about 4500 waves on a given tier with CTO, I’d move to the next tier. Very simplified ofc, but hard to say more without knowing your stats.
@@JPlays1 I can only get that high on t1 which i got to 5300ish on t2 is like 3350 t3 2850 and so on my highest is t12 at 41. My highest avg coin per level is t8 or 9 but thats 1k levels and 800. I have all 5 labs going health is 47 labs speed is 44 coin/kill is 44 coin/wave is 39 and I'm working on def% right now its almost to 20. My UW are DW GT and black hole with both GT and DW timers down to 3m50. I feel like I'm behind on my modules but this game takes FOREVER to do anything so I'm probably not far off. What else would you need to know to figure out how bad I have messed this game up? lol
@@thebigrandy321 hmm, there is a lot to unpack there, and I think you are arguably prioritizing some inefficient labs. For context, your health lab and coin/kill and coin/wave are all higher than mine! And especially coin/wave is almost useless, so I really suggest you lab something else instead, such as BH/DW coin, etc. I.e., my Coins/Wave is lvl 7, and coins/kill is 42 (will get it higher eventually though), and my health lab is 41 - but I only really started labbing my health after I had basically maxed my workshop and gotten wall. Not saying health is not important though, but don't forget DW health multiplier lab etc., in that regard. I'm sure there's more to unpack and share insights on - so feel free to ask more - but that gives you some insight on the matter at least. You could also consider adding your stats to optimizer sheet to get some more thoughts and ideas: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16WFwRiv3smnEM00dKzM8wRnnYM4Sbjlh6zMjQCHFBFw/copy Never trust the optimizers 100% as they fail to take into account all kinds of situation - but it will give you a decent understand of what econ and health upgrade to consider etc.
Haha. The video or the strategy?! :D If you are referring to the strategy - then you could say that it will bequite micro-management heavy if you go super early into it. E.g., I see some advocate or suggest going Orb Devo at 1-5B. Which, maybe people could make work, but they also likely would need to stay glued to the screen to ensure they survive, increase life steal and survivability stats, etc. Nowadays, for myself, I can literally run Orb Devo with no clicks at all and still outperform blender. It would be ideal if I check in a few times to just upgrade Enemy Attack Level Skips though, and max Health/Regen etc. in one click, but yeah. Maybe that's what I need to record at some point. Have two runs next to each other side-by-side, one blender and one orb devo and just show it in full :D
PS! With new changes to the tower range and enemy sizes happening with the incoming update to the game, I will make a pinned post with updates on what this may change or what may be considered the new optimal range for orb devo. Some are already debating whether min range is a lot less effective and nerfed now. Anyways, stay tuned on that, and anyways don't level your range workshop so that you have the flexibility to pivot where needed.
Hi, where do we players see information about upcoming patch updates?
@@kaceydillin7367 unfortunately we are kinda clueless "upcoming stuff" as the developers never say anything in advance. The only timeframe when we know what has changed is when they've updated the game and published an announcement on Discord - but then it can take anything from 1-24 hours until you receive the update on your device as that just depends on Apple/Google processing the app updates basically.
from what we are testing about minrange, 30m is pretty unplayable if you require shuffling, that being said if you have low enough uw cds that you dont require shuffling, you still can use 30m range and maybe 0.9 sw size
if not, 40m range and 1-1.1 sw size works fine
still would recommend 69.5m 1.4sw size to new players tho!
for wall its similar, but much worse, some are seeing that even 69.5m range with wall can lead to some trimming and are opting for 3 range labs
@@Karma2474 Yeah, great range advice.
Best tutorial I've seen on the Tower. Articulated clearly, No fluff, Very clear screen shots/recordings. A++ content!
@@josephgonzales9649 wow cheers!
CHAPTERS:
0:00 Intro
2:28 Base Requirements
5:02 Additional Things You Ideally Have
7:56 Quality of Life Additions
8:44 Workshop & Respec
9:27 Attack Workshop
9:54 Defense Workshop
13:08 Utility Workshop
13:41 The Key Cards
14:00 Ideal Cards
14:53 Perk Priorities
16:32 Bad Perks
17:54 Perk Bans when Active
19:30 Perks when AFK
20:41 Modules
24:14 Strategy First Part (both wall and non-wall)
26:32 Strategy Second Part - non-wall
30:34 Strategy Second Part - wall
33:56 Strategies summarised
35:06 Key things to improve
36:06 PS! Note regarding cells
36:43 PS! Tracking Your Runs
38:45 Outro & Thanks
Great work, this is easily the best orb devo guide out there.
Cheers - though if people want see more realistic and good non-wall orb devo - they should check out your channel 👌
Thank you for the details for this my life coins is only 8.19B and i devoed with focus on unlocking enemy skip and high health. I say from my experience that i should have waited since i lake any important models and found it hard to farm anything above tier 1.
However, now i have a deeper understanding i will be pushing the tiers.
Basically, i think my next steps will be to get lucky to get needed models and will upgrade parts to make blender shifting earlier easier.
Thank you again for the infor and helpful resources!
@@WolfmanTheNoob thank you, and thank you for sharing. That’s very useful insights 🙏
huge kudos, man. this is exactly what i've been wanting for so long, incredibly concise and articulate.
@@michaelkatchan ahh cheers man, really appreciated!
@@JPlays1 just wanted to say - took your advice, rerolled my workshop (had 2 trillion), and now im making triple the income. insane.
sadly i had once done literally one lab for ranged when i was young and stupid so my tower range is 30.6m
@@michaelkatchan You can change your lab range when outside of a run. Go into the lab and there will be a slider.
@@michaelkatchan hey man! I got some good news for you. You can revert your range when you are outside of a run. Next time you are, simply go to your Range lab and click on it - you will see a slider to adjust it. But anyways, I wouldn't expect much difference between 30 and 30.6.
But anyways note the aforementioned trick to adjust your range - because, range can be good in tournaments, especially when dealing with fast battle conditions. So in the future you are likely to lab Range a bit and only "put it on" for tournament runs.
i love this video and how in depth you go into every single aspect of the strategy. I am taking notes so I can try this out once I get black hole and golden tower in sync!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! The visual and detail explanations is very easy to follow.
@@minhho5941 ahh thank you!
PS! I've tried to cover as many variables and considerations as possible, including by adding lots of text disclaimers and additional info where relevant - but there will undoubtedly be unique scenarios that also haven't been covered in the video. If so, feel free to ask and I'll try my best to help and share my insights.
How long are your Devo runs? I've just started doing Devo and I wanna know what I should try to run (for example, I used to do T5 and went on about 6.5k waves on my blender but it may be better to do a lower tier for Devo?)
@ I was basically doing orb devo on a given tier until I could reach to 4.5-5k waves (with CTO) and then promoting to the next. So if you see my personal bests they are basically all in that range from tier 1-9.
That’s what turned out most efficient and effective for me. You of course have to assess your own situation and measure/compare your runs to see what works for you.
@ and oh, now my devo runs are wave 6k at tier 10. Tier 10 is a bit of an anomaly where it’s best to stay for a long time before moving further up
@@JPlays1 thank youuuuu!!!
Thank you for the video, it's definitely top quality!
Thank you!
this was a well thought out guide and clearly explained thank you
Thank you for the kind words!
I used to devo before the DW rework, but went into full AFK blender because of school and work this semester. Will definitely come back to this guide as soon as the semester is done and I can be more active playing while at work. Great guide!
Oh and you started about a month later than me and I think we're just about the same progress wise, so devo definitely works.
@@J0baka cool, and yeah the DW rework made it less of an absolute necessity to devolve to earn the DW health multiplier. And also adding that when I went on vacation earlier in the game, I too went just basic blender for a bit - schedule/availability matters indeed.
One thing to add as you’re about the same strength as me is that nowadays I can go extremely AFK and it still works well. Barely have to touch it, which is down to low sync time, auto-pick perks and already survivability/regen. Active runs with active perks is always gonna be better ofc - but even just completely sending the orb devo run from the get-go and not touching it AT ALL outperforms my blender quite significantly now.
This video is gold for new players like me, thanks
Cheers, glad to hear it's of value - thank you.
This guide is amazing. Although I don’t run orb devo, just setting up my UW similar to your setup doubles my coins per run. I just press start on tier 10 and let let the free upgrade max all stats til end of run around 4.6k. I finally hit the 1T+ per run. Thank you.
@@nigelmagsombol4100 ah that’s great to hear!
Btw, curious about what changes you made to your UWs. Would be fun to know.
@ well before I came across your guide, I was saving the stones to unlock another UW. I was thinking of unlocking all UWs to boast economy with GT+. I had unlocked 7, and sync BH-60s, GT-120s, DW-120s, and GB-120s. SL was barely upgraded. I was making 490+ coins per run.
When I saw your vid, I saw your LTC is 3x mine and I could copy close to almost all your UW stats with my coins instead. Since I already synced my UW I need to boast the rest
BH-19s to 25s duration
BH-44m to 50m
SL-32d to 50d
SL-x15 to x26.7
SL-2q to 3q
GT-x15 to x20.2
GT-35s to 46s
GB- added +8m using module you recommended.
So instead of trying to get GT+ like I originally planed, I boasted my economy doing this. It more than doubled my coins per run. Going to work on these UWs stats more for now, as now I hit about 2T per run.
Thanks again for the help.
@@nigelmagsombol4100 That is awesome! And I think you made the right move as GT+ is still a fair bit away in terms of being an efficient target for both of us.
Fantastic guide! I am a new player only playing 2 weeks. I make like 1B a day. Gonna be awhile before I can try this as the 2nd BH is like 12B lab, oof. 😩
Love this content. Thank you so much!
Thank you - and wow, that sounds like very solid progress in 2 weeks. Good job!
Only two weeks with 1b a day I’ve been going for a month and sum making 600m+ a day gotta tell me what your doing 😭
Thx for the guide bro ;) I'm a couple of months behind you in terms of progression and your videos are quite helpfull :)
@@TheManariip cheers man, glad to hear it’s helpful 🙏
Thank you!!! Was looking for this! Going to try tonight
Cool! Let me know how it goes!
Great video brother. Thank you!
Thank you! Really appreciated!
Also note the additional resources linked in the video description. Cheers.
Fantastic guide. Very informative and helpful while I’m still learning how to orb devo. Gonna have to upgrade that BH damage now
Thank you! Glad it’s of help 🙏
Hey just wanna say thanks for the video!
Really appreciate someone making a video on it as it was asked for a few times XD
Also really nice of you to include my orbdevo discussion as well 👀would need your help to answer the questions in it tho :)
Hey, sorry - what exact question are you referring to?
@@JPlays1 well in general XD fortunately quite a few people do stick around the discussion chat to help answer questions from new players, but itd always be nice if more experts could help out :)
I'm trying this for the first time as I watch this video and it does seem to be working! Not sure how long I'll live since I kind of messed up my WorkShop Respec, but I should be able to get back on point soon enough.
The only thing I need to figure out now is where I should be grinding! I've been getting to around 3,500 on T9, using Blender, and that gave me my best results. Let's see what happens here!
@@squadleaderandy5513 cool! I will expect you will have to drop a tier or two - but let’s see!
The fact is you start devo same like me at 16b coins. i start in August and with devo orb i jump on 80T. it's very good for people hunting coins at the beginning of the game. Thanks for video. im now change to orbless but i still suggest my friend doing orb devo :)
Cool, great progress you've made! And, yeah I will also eventually go orbless - but only when I can do so very AFK - as I'm just too busy with other stuff to micromanage a run to the extend it would have been if I swapped now.
Absolutely amazing content! I went orb devo last week to test it out but ended up going back to blender when I hit legends again. I’m still on the fence if it’s worth having more coins now or more stones now.
@@OmgThatsKoo yeah, for those stuck in the scenario of constantly promoting from Champ and demoting from Legends - they may be better of delaying devo strategies until they’ve solidified their tournament standings more. I’m facing similar dilemma - but since I’m very hyper focused orb devo, I will stick with it and grind that way to hopefully solidify regular Legend tournament placement.
I’ll also add that I’d make more stones by winning Champ and demoting Legends than say, getting consistently the lowest regular spots in Legends, so there’s that. Though no guarantee to winning anything though :)
@ I think I’m gonna stick to my current goal of getting BH cooldown to 50 seconds. It’s so close but so far away at 90 seconds. After that, full on devo using this guide. It’s so much more in-depth and insightful than any other guide I’ve seen that it made me realize I did some things wrong the first time.
@ ohh, I’m glad to hear it was able to shed a light on some things 🙏 And best of luck with the cooldown journey - prob won’t take you too long in Legends! I’ll look for your gamer tag when I’ll occasionally visit it too :D
well done
Thank you!
Thx for this build man! I just respec to it and cpm when from 100-300m to constant 300m since wave 1000 on T6 and I hit 430m peak for the first time. My GT and BH are synced at 3min and my BH is permanent ( I dont use the module to sync all 3, I feel like I lose a lot from BH like this)
@@OrcTower hi, glad it’s of help! I’m not sure I fully understand your situation - maybe you could clarify: you say you have permanent BH but when synced they are at 3 minutes? That math doesn’t add up for me. What are their individual cooldowns?
@JPlays1 my BH is permanent 50 sec and 31 sec duration. My DW and GT are at 3 minute both.
@@OrcTower ahh understood - that’s a quite interesting situation. Probably only worth using the MVN sync module IF it also means syncing with the Golden Bot then. Otherwise you are probably better off without the MVN module to sync for a while. But syncing is super massive if you can get it to sync with Golden Bot too - but that requires some CD reduction ofc
Great video
Cheers!
Amazing guide!
I have a question: does the transition to this strategy hurt your tournament performance? Especially if you do it at minimal recommended LTC of 50b
It's a great question and the initial response is the lame answer "it depends".
Doing orb devo can help you easier max DW health multiplier in tournaments (ofc assuming you have DW) - which was key for my personal tournament progression - as you can hoard and kill a lot more with DW. And since you are killing more stuff while GT is active too, you also earn more cash than starting with blender.
But:
- If you don't have DW, it could negatively impact your tournaments some.
- If you have DW but can easily max the health multiplier already while doing blender, it could have some slight negative impact. As it will take you some waves to upgrade your freeups at the start of the run to have in-run blender and freeups going.
The way I approached it from the get-go was this though:
- With all the increased coins, I am getting my workshop faster up to 5,000+ (Health, Damage, Regen) which basically used to be what would roughly take you to promote from Plat tournaments (I don't know if that is still true). And at the point of getting it 5,000+ I could then also start to afford to max things in runs and continue to beat anyone running blender from the get-go. And then thereafter, I did try various tournaments to compare both starting as blender versus starting as orb devo and the difference was negligible.
Anyways, I'm not saying that being Orb Devo while doing tournaments is perfect or 100% problem free. You gotta ofc consider your own situation etc., and if your runs are super short in tournaments, it likely will be negative for you.
I guess the main thing for you to consider is if you think that the increased coin gain will help you get stronger and thus outperform a different version of you who did blender, got a handful more free upgrades in tournaments but had less LTC.
But considering that you have 50B and probably not the second BH yet, I will probably at least wait until you have that before considering orb devo. And ideally DW.
@@JPlays1 thanks for a detailed answer!
Very well made video! Gives a lot of clarity. By doing this are you then going to sacrifice your tournament runs by having everything else devo’ed in ws? Sure you can upgrade mid run for tournament but it will still cost you your normal placements?
@@xgx5006 the tournament performance difference have been extremely little. Tested many times when undevoing for milestone runs and sometimes it’s the same waves, sometimes a handful waves shorter and sometimes significantly longer with devo (see second paragraph). But, if your tournament runs are super short, such as in Legends, it will absolutely differ negatively (and same goes for aforementioned short milestone runs ofc).
For some, there is also the opposite to consider - esp. if you have Death Wave. I.e., that starting your run devo could help you get max DW health multiplier by hoarding more enemies before the enemies get too strong. Of course, nowadays one can earn DW health even while doing blender - but that’s small amounts and may in various circumstances not be enough. For a long time in the past I had to basically cheese my way to max DW health in various tournaments. Now that I have 4 waves and low CD that’s less of an issue though.
@ okay I will try it out this tournament. In the last tournaments I was #3 in play and moved up to champs then got rekt so I’m back in plat and this will be an easy test to see if I rank at the same 2-4 in plat or fall off a bit more. That plus the coins calculation will help determine if my build is ready to run this. Of course no death wave suckssss for me at this point and probably not ready for wall either
@ ahh that’s right, you don’t have DW. Let me know how it goes, I’ll adjust my non-DW orb devo advice regarding tournaments accordingly!
So I got BlueStacks and now I run The Tower on my PC. How can I check in on a live farming session from my phone now?
@@RPE11Strength get an app that can connect to your PC. I use Chrome Remote Desktop - it’s in the AppStore. Download that to your phone. Be sure it’s the official Google app for it.
On your PC the first time you just gotta set up your connection point and password: remotedesktop.google.com/access
Once that’s done you simply use the app to connect to your PC.
Bro, thanks for tips. BTW u know u CAN revert to 1 extra orb? Outside of a run, in research tab, you can use arrows on any given research to move to a specific research lvl.
Saw whaaaaat?! When was that introduced? I thought it was only shockwave size and range I could do that on. Will have a go at that straight after my current run, thank you!
@@JPlays1 NPs bro. You helped us a lot more with this vid :)
@@Anamukajojo cheers man. You got me excited now - haha almost want to quit my run prematurely to test it out! So, would this apply to the Orb Speed lab as well then?
Guess I'll have some interesting testing to do ahead!
@@JPlays1 As far as I know, it applies to all the Labs. I mean I ddint test much, just tried taking the AS all the way to 1 for a run. But has seen these arrows on all the labs.
@@Anamukajojo cool! Haha I doubt some, such as Lab Speed is some that you can adjust :D My dam long run never ends, so I won't find out until tomorrow it seems!
Hey, great guide, that's S tier content that was missing regarding Orb Devo.
I have 2 questions:
- Would it make cense to push GT and BH duration to 50sec so protectors die in 1 rotation ? Or is this not that helpful or too costly for what it brings ?
Because I have Duration for both at 42sec right now (with BH perk) and cooldown at 120sec synced with Golden Bot. But no SL and DW cooldown at 240sec
- Also, I'm trying to understand what Wormhole Redirector really does but I don't understand it. Can't try cause i don't have it yet. Can you or someone else reading help me understand it please :)
@@mathieu221 Nice, you’re in a good spot - syncing with Golden Bot is really nice. As for your question: 1. That sounds way too costly compared to what it brings. You won’t have coin decay anyways with those CDs, so it won’t change that much in that regard. And if you don’t have/use MVN you would be killing a lot more of your stack before your DW applies its things, etc. Also, you may pull up a stone calculator to confirm this, but I’m pretty sure you could have gotten your CDs massively further down with stones - as opposed to the duration idea - and it would give you a lot more gain.
2. Eventually in the game Regen becomes king for survivability to a greater extent than health. What WHR does is that it makes Regen also work on your extra package health. So instead of just getting new packages at times after a wave round, you also heal this up automatically with WHR. So it basically just really enhances your survivability. I also didn’t have it until recently - which is why I went wall a tad bit earlier than conventional as the wall kinda works in the same way as WHR in terms of regen and survivability. Which also means that WHR becomes less important once you have a wall, but at late waves for me, Fasts teleport through my wall, and the only way I can squeeze through a few more hundred waves at that point is with WHR as it out heals the damage Fasts are doing directly to the tower.
Sorry for rambling, I’ll try to write a bit more concise later on computer - now on phone :)
@ 👌 thanks for the feedback.
If I understand it right WHR add the amount said in the description to the Health regen by second then
I guess I’ll target a 100sec cooldown on the Econ UW + golden bot then go SL 😃
@@mathieu221 WHR lets your regen heal up to the X percentage of total package health you got. So, say at Ancestral Regen can heal all the way up to 100% of your package health.
me watching with 100m ltc xD
do i need some extra settings? my game is always crashing on bluestacks
When did you start with Bluestacks? I heard some had issue with it today and that reinstalling fixed it for them. I've never had any issue with Bluestacks. Let me know if your issue persists and I'll fetch my settings that work at least.
@@JPlays1 hm prob will try that then, im using it for a long time now but for other games
What about the tournament?
What about it? You may see some of my other comments and replies in the comments section where I discuss the impact of using this strategy on tournaments.
This video is really helpful. I can farm tier 8 to wave 5000ish with blender. When I try devo on tier 7 I start getting chipped horrible and die around 1400. How do you like transition into inevitably maxing everything for blender to finish the run without over doing it? I have my base stats dmg,health,regen,defense abs all at 4000 each.
Since you are dying so early I am guessing you don't have WHR module or wall, which is fine, but just makes survivability a bit harder.
I was also in the same situation for a while. If you are actively playing what you can gradually do is to increase attack speed and damage workshop/cards - basically that your lifesteal will continue to keep you alive. But once that is not possible anymore, then I would just turn on all blender stuff.
Also, you could see if tier 6 is feasible for still some increased coin income or not compared to your blender tier 8.
@ yea I’m trying that with my current run. Have to be a bit more active and involved. May have to take my regen card out and replace it with attack speed to keep the lifesteal up. I think once I get more perk bans then it will be more smooth. I
@@JamesSherer Cool! Let me know how it goes. And if turns into too much micromanagement for minimal gains you can always revert back to it later when your workshop etc. is stronger. Tough I'm guessing you've already used 150 gems to respec, so I hope it works out for you from the get-go.
@ I just exhausted my hoarded stones and got my death wave GT and BH synced to 2:50. I’m rolling in it now ha
@@JamesSherer haha awesome. Well on that note, keep me posted and let me know if there ways I can be of help or any guidance. Best of luck! I feel the pressure now to make you thrive with your new direction!
What is your target priority setup?
@@toadily6134 Yeah I should have covered that specifically too, darn it - maybe I’ll make a small follow-up video at some point. But to answer your question:
The main core premise I mentioned in the video - which is to just target Basics and then whatever after that if target priority lvl 2 (and to put elites and bosses below at the bottom.
But as with everything there are situational stuff to consider:
- I tend to have Protectors above Basics just to try to help with getting rid of them - which is a bit more relevant if you have wall and therefore use damage to trim, but yeah. I anyways notice minimal effect from it.
- And nowadays that I get to roughly wave 6k on tier 10, I’ve had Fasts as first priority for a while as that helped address the Fasts teleporting through the wall issue as I could then knock them back into my wall at the end of runs (so then I had Fasts, then Protector, then Basics. However, now I have and use a mythic WHR so now I’m not concerned about my tower dying before my wall anymore, so now I don’t target Fasts anymore.
- If I had a really long sync time, I probably would have considered greater importance on Spotlight targeting. I.e., if something has to anyways die to not reach spawn cap, might as well do it in the spotlight multiplier. This may also apply on the opposite side of the scale when sync is so low that it doesn’t matter what you’re hoarding - and I’m currently testing that out to a greater extent, but nothing conclusive on that front yet though i expect my SL damage bonus is too big for it not just simply be detrimental.
- And say, if orb devo build and facing scenario where you struggle to get max death wave multiplier in tournament before the enemies get too strong, I’d start targeting tanks just to try to keep as many things alive until the Deathwave goes off. This strategy less relevant nowadays though when you can gradually earn DW health even as blender. But it still has some tournament and milestone use cases for beginning of runs.
Sorry for rambling, hopefully more helpful than confusing. Wish I could just share screenshots here too. Maybe I’ll toss that in a community post later.
@@JPlays1 Detailed explanations are always great. Thanks.
I'm using ACP since I can't stop pulling them, my only ancestral module. So I'll target fast first as I have noticed it killing me half of the time. New update did fix this though, so once it hits I'll switch fast out again.
I got legendary MVN and Dimcore but my average GT BH and DW cooldown is 3:30 what should I use for farming or should I upgrade more cooldown
@@family6698 hi, thanks for asking. What are the individual cooldowns you have on those? And what other modules are you currently using?
@ 180 secs of GT and BH 270 secs for DW and now i’m using legendary dimcore but I don’t have CL I just wanna use legendary submodule effects
@ hmm. You got an interesting case. I think you will have a great use of MVN - at least try. And hear me out: with the legendary substat for MVN your sync time will be 3:40 (220 seconds). With that you have a really cool and good chance to also sync your Golden bot (get the timer down from 120 seconds to 110 seconds and it will multiply at the same time as your other econ UWs every 2nd time).
Do note however that you ought to hoard (such as orb devo) for these sync things to be massive. I.e., if you ran blender with all these things synced it wouldn’t do that much as you wouldn’t be killing that many enemies on screen during the multipliers.
@@JPlays1 oh I use mythic Gcomp for farming i don’t have any coin module :(
@ ahh with Gcomp then you can disregard my Golden Bot comment :) still think you should try the MVN for your case though. I think the coin income will increase a bit, plus you’ll earn more cells with the lower DW. How many waves do you have on your Death Wave btw?
I'm at 6T LTC and I decided to try this, I'm making roughly the same coins in a run from when I was blender and I think its strictly because I don't have free upgrades getting my enemy level skips that high so I'm getting like 2000-3000 less waves. I don't have wall unlocked yet because I want to focus my labs on getting all my BH/GT/DW labs finished. What do you think is my best approach?
@@Sirisaaclime.13 first of all - are you saying you earn the same per run or that you earn the same average per hour for both? Those are two very different things, so any further advice will depend on which one it is :)
Also, how long are your runs usually in terms of wave length? Asking as it sounds like a very high wave count. You of course gotta do you and what best fits your schedule, but roughly speaking you are advised to move on to a next tier when you can reach 4,500 with CTO. Many exceptions ofc - so don’t take it as 100% rule - but it was great guidelines that worked efficiently for me at least. Until reaching tier 10, there one will stay much longer.
@@Sirisaaclime.13 and also, I doubt that this is strictly down to ELS - like how many skips would you have in your blender versus the orb devo run? I doubt the skip difference is 2000-3000 skips. But it may certainly be a factor for some reduction yeah.
And note that, as mentioned in the video, that one generally may go down a tier or two when moving from blender to orb devo, but which will still generally outperform blender.
@@Sirisaaclime.13 and to answer your question. Originally I was also gonna finish those UW econ labs before touching wall - but as I didn’t have WHR - I knew that wall was gonna be a massive improvement and finally have regen kick in. So if you’re in the same position without WHR, then I’d highly recommend wall. I started it around your same LTC too.
Damn 50B i am only at 3B, also why do we use critical coin if our crit starts of at 0%, i mean we do upgrade it in a run but still.....
Either way very helpfull guide
1. Orbs, DW, thorns, etc. also count as critical damage for that card.
2. Some just have Crit Chance AND Crit Factor maxed and then never have to deal with them again. I prefer the flexibility of not having Crit Chance on from the get-go, in part as it boosts my damage a lot - but at the same time, if you have DW, it will just prolong the DW ring so your enemies anyways likely to be healthier once the ring drops. So yeah, just try out what works for you in-run and then you can make potential tweaks to the actual workshop thereafter in terms of what works for you.
is the orbs boss hit lab necessary or helpful for this?
@@mitchellshort8159 no, I don’t have it labbed yet myself. You always gotta consider what’s killing you at the end of a run though - but it has never been bosses for me.
I have 2T LTC and have tried using it, but it hasn’t worked for me. It earns 20 times less than my usual build. Maybe I’m not ready for it yet. This strat is also not good for tournament.
@@darktower2024 hmm, 20 times less than what? Probably some key things missing then - and every tower is different. Never anything absolute best thing for everyone. So if doing your thing works out better, then do so. 👌
The strat is totally ok for tournament and I’ve done fine for months in tournaments. But you are absolute correct IF the tournament run is short and you have low LTC - or if you don’t have Death Wave - then it can be detrimental. If I wanted to, I can max all free upgrades in a handful waves in a tournament so it doesn’t really differ - and just gives you the possibility of alternative beginnings where you can cheese (e.g., charging berserker DW ring, or hoarding if you can’t max DW health yet in tournament., etc.) It basically just gives you greater flexibility - for minimal trade off.
I’ll check next tournament how quickly it takes me to max free upgrades to give a more solid and specific answer - but it’s low. But depending on the battle conditions I don’t necessarily want free upgrades until I’ve secured Death Wave maxed health multiplier - so we’ll see about the conditions first :D
What is your recommendation for dealing with protector :/ ?
@@wmmow first of all, as mentioned in the video, to ensure that each of your BH pulls does 50%+ damage so that you kill them in two cycles. That’s the main thing. You can also try targeting protectors above basics with target priority - but I notice minimal difference with that.
@ ofc 🙈 i was so focused on Them sting right away. Thanks. And thanks for taking the time to answer
@@wmmow hehe no worries 🙏 Just ask if anything.
Your should turn off everything the beginning. I devo on tier 10 until 3k waves. No orbs, mines or uws other than bh,gt,sl and dw.
No atk speed, bounce, rapid or multi until 3.5k waves.
This keeps me steady at around 5-10b/min from wave 1.5k on.
Hi man, yeah I mention in the video to turn off UWs and not do orbs, mines etc. Just checking if there is anything specific you feel like I said wrong or disagree with? I think we are on the same page?
Two quick things to note about my runs, which are mentioned in the video:
- I prefer an AFK approach nowadays with auto-perks, and thus get orbs via perk as I don't have enough bans, but which anyways doesn't end up hurting the run too much as they circle out slowly far outside the tower range.
- For orb devo with wall, you rely more on gradual damage increase for trimming enemies (as opposed to thorns for non-wall). The extent of when to upgrade these in a run will depend on the strength of your tower etc. ofc. And once you get to a low enough sync, you basically stop trimming altogether.
@@JPlays1 sorry I didn't watch the full video. It was playing in the background while I was working.
I don't do auto perk. But I have the game on always close by.
I honestly can't for atk speed lab, and dmg lab to be finished. Both in 90s.
@@Madxcot Haha no worries. And wow, that's some nice attack speed! Jealous of that.
Not sure I understand your reason for Damage lab at 90 though - unless your Crit Factor is also in the 90-range, as Crit Factor is a bit stronger than Damage lab in terms of overall damage output. But hey, you're anyways close to finishing it off! Nice.
so whats the best way to get you lifetime coins up that high im at 7bil... just keep blending endlessly?
@@thebigrandy321 hmm, maaaaany factors to that but some immediate things that come to mind: I’d focus econ UW labs to help upgrade your workshop health and damage - which then in turn helps you move up tiers and earn more coin. And once I can reach about 4500 waves on a given tier with CTO, I’d move to the next tier.
Very simplified ofc, but hard to say more without knowing your stats.
@@JPlays1 I can only get that high on t1 which i got to 5300ish on t2 is like 3350 t3 2850 and so on my highest is t12 at 41. My highest avg coin per level is t8 or 9 but thats 1k levels and 800. I have all 5 labs going health is 47 labs speed is 44 coin/kill is 44 coin/wave is 39 and I'm working on def% right now its almost to 20. My UW are DW GT and black hole with both GT and DW timers down to 3m50. I feel like I'm behind on my modules but this game takes FOREVER to do anything so I'm probably not far off. What else would you need to know to figure out how bad I have messed this game up? lol
@@thebigrandy321 hmm, there is a lot to unpack there, and I think you are arguably prioritizing some inefficient labs.
For context, your health lab and coin/kill and coin/wave are all higher than mine! And especially coin/wave is almost useless, so I really suggest you lab something else instead, such as BH/DW coin, etc.
I.e., my Coins/Wave is lvl 7, and coins/kill is 42 (will get it higher eventually though), and my health lab is 41 - but I only really started labbing my health after I had basically maxed my workshop and gotten wall. Not saying health is not important though, but don't forget DW health multiplier lab etc., in that regard.
I'm sure there's more to unpack and share insights on - so feel free to ask more - but that gives you some insight on the matter at least.
You could also consider adding your stats to optimizer sheet to get some more thoughts and ideas: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16WFwRiv3smnEM00dKzM8wRnnYM4Sbjlh6zMjQCHFBFw/copy Never trust the optimizers 100% as they fail to take into account all kinds of situation - but it will give you a decent understand of what econ and health upgrade to consider etc.
This one for someone with no life
Haha. The video or the strategy?! :D
If you are referring to the strategy - then you could say that it will bequite micro-management heavy if you go super early into it. E.g., I see some advocate or suggest going Orb Devo at 1-5B. Which, maybe people could make work, but they also likely would need to stay glued to the screen to ensure they survive, increase life steal and survivability stats, etc.
Nowadays, for myself, I can literally run Orb Devo with no clicks at all and still outperform blender. It would be ideal if I check in a few times to just upgrade Enemy Attack Level Skips though, and max Health/Regen etc. in one click, but yeah.
Maybe that's what I need to record at some point. Have two runs next to each other side-by-side, one blender and one orb devo and just show it in full :D
This is what I needed. Thanks!
@@RPE11Strength sweet, glad it’s of help!