Steroids is not the problem. Claiming that your natural when your on gear is the problem. It gives a false representation to nattys on what they can achieve.
Once I got my pro card everybody thought I was on fucking gear. The people who has their suspicions are guys that don't know what the fuck they're doing in the gym.
I'll Tell you a Little Secret, If You Have Taken Any Amount of steroid for Let's say 3-4 years, After you Stop taken Steroids, Even if you Continue to Train Without Steroids, You Will Make Nearly the Same Muscle gain, Steroids Effect Are Permanent, They Alter the DNA- RNA permanently . This is why Simeon look like that.
If he doesn't compete natural, he isn't natural. Seriously, he could just walk his ass on stage, blow away the competition and prove it; but he won't, because he'd set off the fucking fire-alarms with all his PED's.
+Ben Lloyd PT Capitalism is about doing literally what ever it takes to reach the top, not about following rules. Rules are to keep those at the bottom in place. If you read about the rockefellers and men who built this nation with their wealth from the ground up you know they were fucking ruthless. It's pure, dirty competition, especially if you're in banking or politics.
+Ben Lloyd PT so true. physiques of greatness is super popular, and chris jones just got caught sneaking into a gym and stealing a protein shake a couple of days after posting a video about how he was paying vince g "6 figures every year". hes making bank, but will still steal a $5 dollar drink from a local gym, but of course he would never think about using steroids, or lying about it.
***** John D. Rockefeller established the rockefellers as oil moguls. He was the most hated businessman of his time noted as "Ruthless whirlwind" and had ties to the cleavland massacre.. Hardly a "Hard working man of strong moral values". He would have probably been considered today as a determined thug willing to do whatever it takes to make it to the top. "The so-called Cleveland Massacre was the beginning of John D. Rockefeller's drive toward an oil monopoly, and it is considered one of his shrewdest operations. The fact that he carried out this campaign in the midst of the most unfortunate episode of his business career (the demise of the infamous South Improvement Company) truly shows just how focused and ruthless Rockefeller could be." www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/rockefellers-south/
+ChildOfDarkProphecy1 No, it's not capitalism. It's the FREEDOM to do with your body whatever you want. It's just a society's standard and has nothing to do with economic system. It's not always capitalism lol.. People just watch what they want to watch on youtube, and that's why this guys are popular.
Hey man, just leaving a comment to say I just watched parts 1 and 2 of this 'Who Is Natural?' series and it got me to subscribe to your channel. Really liked how you presented the information and your summary about what really matters at the end. Keep up the great work, looking forward to seeing more! -Aaron
I have stayed natural my whole life and at 45 am in the best shape of my life. Thank you for all your inspiration brother. Even though I could never get above 195lbs on stage, I enjoy just living in this body and being proud of who I am.
鄭宇桓 Stupid RUclips and Google+ won't let me reply to your comment directly for some reason. Rich Froning probably isn't for two reasons: 1) He has an FFMI of 26.4 assuming the stats he has quoted himself as 200 lbs at 5'9 and an estimated body fat of 10% (and that's a conservative estimate considering he looks pretty lean year round). 2) He's a professional athlete in the world of crossfit with big names/sponsors like Reebok. If you have regular guys at the gym who work out simply to look good and they're commonly taking steroids, you can bet that professional athletes who compete at the highest level do the same, particularly because it's their career. But that's not to take away from his or anyone else's hard work or accomplishment because it's pretty much assumed that if you compete at the highest level in a physically-demanding sport you are enhancing. For example, do you think the guys in the NFL are natural lol?
+Magnus M yeah that is a prime example of what goes on in big name sports. When there's that much $ and fame behind it, guys do morally questionable things all the time unfortunately. And people were so pissed over him coming out with the truth but forget that even though he placed 1st, the next 9 guys behind him were doing pretty much the same thing lol Legit like 70% of past winners have been caught/implicated with doping, the other 30% just didn't get caught and were lucky lol www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9626520/How-Tour-de-Frances-recent-past-has-been-ruined-by-doping.html
They are lean almost 99% of the time, how is that possible? and they gain muscle at the same time? they use lean bulking or what? :)) There are no such much as natural bodybuilders anymore, nothing is natural anymore atleast you have a farm and you eat what you grow. I am not speaking about Steroids here, I mean suplements are the problem, why people take them? why to become a 100kg bodybuilder and use suplements? is it because 70-80 kg natural look to small, poeple forgoted about what natural really means and that is sad, from my 5 year of classic bodybuilding I reached to the conclusion that the gains are really really really slow and that looking lean is something that you can achieve under the age 18 and that in time the fat storage becomes studborn and is hase smth to do with the life style. Anyway it is nice that they struggle to make a living from this sport and it is great that they share a lot of theyre time on youtube that can help us grow bigger-stronger-better but I would be happy to not hear these discusions that OMG is that bodybuilder natty or not? Guys everyone tryes theyre best to be in a great shape and the important thing is to apreciate the work they do in this life and not to judge usseles stuff, at the beggining I was judging too and sayed Hell no to suplements and steroids, but in the last 1-2 years I starting researching very closely and actualy starting buying some stuff because I saw that I was an StoneIdiot and simply saying NO to stuff that can help, since then I was reading about suplements and really slowly buying and trying stuff and eliminated imediately what seemed useless. About the suplements: Since 2014-2015 I started taking sometimes Glucose or Dextrose before or after training because I was working 8 hr every day and training alone at home it can be hard sometimes but I take it only when I am tired, I started buying fish oil because I was growing sick in eating Tuna fish almost every day and I knowed that I need omega 3 and after looking for this suplement smth like 6 moths :)) buyed one pack with 60 caps and actually after 30 Days I was having the same diet + 2 fish oil caps dayli and I was looking a little leaner, so since the I keep taking them every single day and feel great but still on some days I eat good amount of fish and don`t take. The 2nd suplement comes with bad health problems and I am in rehab right now because I was starting to have nose bleed suddenly from nothing and the doctors are saying that I was very low on vitamins and minerals mainly because I eat not enought fruits so since 9.2016 I am on vitamins and noticed to gain in weight pretty good but that means also a lot of fats and the last one that I am adding on the list after long time of denial and I was pretty right about this one it is my first Creatine powder suplement and it was a shit that helped me with nothing and actually the loading time was hard and I haved tought stomach pain and after the loading phase I felt nothing better so the rest of it went on the Toilet so I don`t recomand it. Shared some shit here :)) srry but sometimes I like sharing and I am not in the mood to delete or edit this post :D Maybe I hit the subject here or avoidet it dunno but what at the end remains is that Natty-Natural has died with me in 2014-2015 when I started taking suplements too and is not a bad thing after all because we are here to survive and be the best version of ourselfs and who knows? probably these suplements can help us so think carefully before buying and my opinion is that everyone should find the perfect balance in this sport and make sure that the investments they make are not in vain so stay healthy and enjoy life :D
I still don't use supplements, and highly doubt I ever will. Just lifting for health reasons no need for supplements. For the vitamins I do eat fruit and know I hold some fat because of them. But who cares if you don't look spot on magazine perfect? It doesn't make us healthier by lowering bodyfat to really low percentages.
+aoFeliX I gurantee you the whole gymshark crew will fall in that 24-26 crossover range so you'll have to make your own decisions. The stats say that it's not impossible but very unlikely, and you have a whole team of guys falling in that range where just 1 guy would be a statistical anomaly. But then again, they did collect these guys from all over the world so you can argue that such a level of statistical anomaly is possible. The only two I can somewhat make a decisive conclusion with is: Alon Gabbay: Not natural (way too shredded and big year round with that paper thin/dry skin look) Lavado: Completely attainable naturally, but don't get me wrong he's got a great physique when he's shredded and it won't be easy to attain that. Jeff is also a real stretch because he's pretty damn lean year round and competed in the IFBB at such a young age.
aoFeliX I would be very surprised if Marc Fit wasn't natural. He's got a great physique, but it's not in any way unnatural. I'd estimate an FFMI of somewhere in the 21~22 range similar to Christian Guzman. Lex's status is a bit bit harder to determine. One one hand he holds his own next to some pretty crazy guys like Matt Ogus and Jeff Seid while retaining a good level of conditioning year-round, but on the other hand he is in his 30's and isn't that massive in person. I've met him and he looks great in terms of his insertions (genetics), but he's not as massive/shredded as you may think from Instagram where athletes pick and choose 1 out of 100 photos where they look the best. I can't find any reliable information on his stats so I can't make an FFMI calculation so I will have to rely on qualitative assumptions. I'll admit I'm not 100% sure but if I had to wager money, I'd say yes he is natural. But again, I don't really care as long as he continues to put out good content in terms of information/motivation :)
Brilliant video. You managed to put together a fairly conclusive argument as to whether those athletes are juicers! I haven't seen another video like it. Keep up the unique but quality content & your sub count will rocket! :)
VitruvianPhysique Yeah man staying scientific is definitely the best way to go - that way the trolls can't argue! Btw a video that i've been looking for is one on Sarcoplasmic vs Myofibrillar hypertrophy in muscle growth. I think it's fairly significant to determine the way that people should train different muscles in different rep ranges to attain a more proportionate physique. If you could make a vid on this topic that would be appreciated :)
as a rule of thumb, the youtubers who look natty, are under 5'9, and have been training for several years without some huge spontaneous change over a single month, are usually natty. the ones that come to mind are: Scott Herman Athlean Frank Yang Fortress Bodyweight
I think you need to add age into this factor, Jeff seid at 18 with a ffmi of 24 does not seem natural, imagine in 12 years, how much he can train, 12 years! I believe Steve Cook would be natural over seid.
looking back after a year of making this video I realize there's a lot more variability involved than I had previously through when it comes to human potential. Honestly I don;t give a crap about this debate anymore since it's impossible to tell lol
Nope it's actually very possible to tell. It's easy to just be disingenuous and say "well I don't know it's impossible to tell" and go off spouting your bullshit.
epic video. people REALLY under estimate the power of genetics! Laughed my ass off when i was in contest prep and somebody asked me my cycle LOL. I'm like brah i weigh 140 lbs. when shredded.... deceiving, bodybuilding is all illusions.
Very well done, Sir. Liking the academic approach of how to present the data and let the viewer understand the boundaries which of course are not black and white.
I actually think Jeff Seid started using at a very young age, there are a lot of people who do shit like that, high school football players for example, Jeff was a wrestler so he probably did that so he could beat them and act like a superior ass hole like he always does. I don't really think many on that list are natural.. everyone of those guys is in it for the money and the industry doesn't allow them to be honest.
Saying someone isn't on steroids, because he has a certain weight or physique is bullcrap. Some people take roids and still look like naturals... Christian Guzman could well be on roids, too. On the other hand, respecting someone for being natural but having a great physique due to amazing genetics (Candito's lower body), doesn't make sense for me either. Why do you respect someone for being born with great genetics. That's like taking business advice from a millionaires heiress. I myself work my ass of in the gym, while working full time and don't want or need credit for that, its fun, it my hobby. But being respected massively for going to the gym, genetics or steroids, doesn't really fit my understanding...
BTW Vitruvian Physique I do have a broad knowledge about the whole industry and the sport for a while now but I have to admit that it's always a joy to listen to you bro, you know your shit and stay down to earth! What's ur FFMI? Peace and Juice
WISH YOU DID MORE ABOUT GREAG PLITT he was an amazing athlete my motivation got me started at 14 I'm 20 now he's helped me stay motivated and that I can do it and that I don't have to be skinny cause of him I went from a wide receiver and free safty to tide end and outside linebacker
This video is full of excuses. There's guys who's pictures you're showing, with gynocomastia, and you're saying they're natural. GTFO. All these people are making money from their fitness levels. What do you think John McEnroe or Lance Armstrong would score on your metric? They were sauced to the gills.
+overvolting Also, you didn't even consider their diets. Most of these guys have HORRID diets for having low body fat %. Hodge twins eating McDonals and Wings and pizza every night?
Bravo! One of the best critic out there! I hope education will help young athletes make the right choice and praise the right people for their hard work and discipline.
How about you do this video again, with some other well known people like: Rob Riches, Scooby, Frank Medrano, Lazar Angelov, CT Fletcher, Mike Rashid and others.
Mat ogus is on something for sure deffo on some growth his bulks are to lean and ripped and his cuts show how much mass he loses like he changes his cycle maybe to anavar or something. i've been natural for so long it pisses me off when people lie.
I understand the feeling and it is frustrating as you end up using an unattainable frame of comparison. Again not saying him specifically because the #'s say it's not impossible, however it would have to be a pretty damn big anomaly.
It's just that actions speak louder than words; and if they competed natural then they'd blow away the competition, so clearly they're full of crap since they DON'T compete natural.
If you ask me they are definitely at the crossover realm especially Brandon. If you watch his what do buff dudes eat he looked pretty good for a guy who only lifted for a couple of years.
Joe Millar if you watch his what do buff dudes eat he reached a pretty Damn big physique quite fast. Not that I'm saying he ain't natty but like it's defo crossover
+colin poon mate, he's hitting about 220lb and around 6ft 2. As far as I can see, he's stayed around the same size in most of his video apart from the 1 week cut which is what he did for a magazine.
Here's a good question. On that website to calculate FFMI, do we go by the FFMI number or the ADJUSTED FFMI number? I've noticed that sometimes the adjusted one can be LOWER than the regular one [especially with shorter people], but it most cases it's a little higher.
+poliklolik well, the first one obviously looks like he is. It depends on the training man. You can train your punches and kicks for years and not get the size, but amazing hitting strength. You can do hard powerlifting for years and not have size anywhere close to natural bodybuilders. And resistance training aimed at size might not give you comparable strength to those of above, but great size and shape.
That's not true at all. You can train for 5 and use steroids and have the body like a god. I've never seen a natural lifter with a god like body...ever..in my entire life
best way to get a solid view point if someone is natural or not. train hard eat well rest well for the same amount of time these guys are at and see where you are in comparison. that's what I'm in the process of doing
Steroids is not the problem. Claiming that your natural when your on gear is the problem. It gives a false representation to nattys on what they can achieve.
Business bro
Once I got my pro card everybody thought I was on fucking gear. The people who has their suspicions are guys that don't know what the fuck they're doing in the gym.
so you are a natty pro BBer? LMFAO
Full natty Brahhhhh!
Mason Sellman lol how bout you train hard eat well and see how big YOU can get everyone had different genetics
"Next up just for fun, fuck it, Phil Heath" -made me cry.
The only natty athlete : Richard Piana.
+reinoaventura1988 lol.....5% of this comment made me like it
+Death by Username ;)
It's rich piano
that's right babe
it's Bitch Tiana
i don't even know what's naturally attainable anymore.
RandomDudeWalkingDownTheStreet 28.
Bruce Lee = FFMI Max = 20
Bro you shouldn’t, it’s your journey
I'll Tell you a Little Secret, If You Have Taken Any Amount of steroid for Let's say 3-4 years, After you Stop taken Steroids, Even if you Continue to Train Without Steroids, You Will Make Nearly the Same Muscle gain, Steroids Effect Are Permanent, They Alter the DNA- RNA permanently . This is why Simeon look like that.
I believe Kali
Muscle is natural he said he does it with ramen noodles
lastninjaitachi and rice
and hyphy mud
And tuna.
Bop bop bop
Rich Piana, Kali Muscle, and Mike o'Tren my favorites natys baby please
mark bell is my favorite sometimes natty powerlifter
Mike *O'Tren* haha..
Except they're not natural
drake man nah bro they're ALL NATTY
Rich has admitted to using steroids in the past lol
Rich Piana is my favorite natural bodybuilder.
+Berkay Kula or simeon panda
+ElEternoPoetaLuis mine is Ronnie Coleman
Lol i bet big ramy is the most natty guy.
mines zyzz
Gr8 b4nter m8
Rick Pianoman is 109% natty, right babe?
Austifornia he is 5% vegan natty
Austifornia Smaller by the day
RICH PIANO"S. CROSSFIT SHOW DAMMIT
Austifornia gotta add that extra 9% to confuse the body. right babe?
Austifornia 5% natural GODDAMMIT!
Austifornia He's dead and he made videos talking about his experience with steroids
I'm pretty sure Phil Heath is natural
at least stop using other people's identity..
Oh and rich piana
I hope ur joking
If he doesn't compete natural, he isn't natural.
Seriously, he could just walk his ass on stage, blow away the competition and prove it; but he won't, because he'd set off the fucking fire-alarms with all his PED's.
He is, I witnessed him taking his daily vitamin regimen!
Kali Muscle, my favorite natural bodybuilder.
bs
+James Rothwell Don't forget about Rich Piana
He is not natural.
His FFMI is 33,81.
+James Rothwell Rich piano is my favorite natural vegan rollercoaster
慎也田中 It's a joke bro, it's a fuckin' joke.
It's a shame that people who lie about taking steroids are the most respected people in the industry. People are both shallow and gullible.
+Ben Lloyd PT Capitalism is about doing literally what ever it takes to reach the top, not about following rules. Rules are to keep those at the bottom in place. If you read about the rockefellers and men who built this nation with their wealth from the ground up you know they were fucking ruthless. It's pure, dirty competition, especially if you're in banking or politics.
Patrick Bateman You would know Patrick, huh? Lol.
+Ben Lloyd PT so true. physiques of greatness is super popular, and chris jones just got caught sneaking into a gym and stealing a protein shake a couple of days after posting a video about how he was paying vince g "6 figures every year". hes making bank, but will still steal a $5 dollar drink from a local gym, but of course he would never think about using steroids, or lying about it.
***** John D. Rockefeller established the rockefellers as oil moguls. He was the most hated businessman of his time noted as "Ruthless whirlwind" and had ties to the cleavland massacre.. Hardly a "Hard working man of strong moral values". He would have probably been considered today as a determined thug willing to do whatever it takes to make it to the top.
"The so-called Cleveland Massacre was the beginning of John D. Rockefeller's drive toward an oil monopoly, and it is considered one of his shrewdest operations. The fact that he carried out this campaign in the midst of the most unfortunate episode of his business career (the demise of the infamous South Improvement Company) truly shows just how focused and ruthless Rockefeller could be."
www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/rockefellers-south/
+ChildOfDarkProphecy1 No, it's not capitalism. It's the FREEDOM to do with your body whatever you want. It's just a society's standard and has nothing to do with economic system. It's not always capitalism lol.. People just watch what they want to watch on youtube, and that's why this guys are popular.
Goku's FFMI: 25.8
Ryu's FFMI: 24.5
Vegeta's FFMI: 23.4
Rohan Josi What 😂
My FFMI: over 9000
Rohan Josi Which version of the characters because Goku looks very different between the Saiyan Saga and Buu Saga
Where's Rich Piana? He's my favorite natural bodybuilder.
+Habiby Nah, Ronnie Coleman is #1 man.
Alex Jon he is dead, rip rich
Heaven
He's dead bro
Alex Jon *natural vegan bodybuilder
This was a fantastic video man
+ObesetoBeast Thanks man, means a lot coming from you. Love what you/HumerusFitness/LankyProgress are doing with BTW. Mirin hard brah.
thank you so much man!
+ObesetoBeast Any advice for a guy new-ish to RUclips? :D
Keep making good videos man! I know that sounds simple, but just be consistent man!
Makes sense. Occam's Razor right, the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one.
Thanks man, appreciate the feedback!
Hey man, just leaving a comment to say I just watched parts 1 and 2 of this 'Who Is Natural?' series and it got me to subscribe to your channel. Really liked how you presented the information and your summary about what really matters at the end. Keep up the great work, looking forward to seeing more! -Aaron
+Gain Forth Thank you, I appreciate the feedback!
I will try to live up to the quality you've come to expect through these 2 videos :)
I have stayed natural my whole life and at 45 am in the best shape of my life. Thank you for all your inspiration brother. Even though I could never get above 195lbs on stage, I enjoy just living in this body and being proud of who I am.
鄭宇桓 Stupid RUclips and Google+ won't let me reply to your comment directly for some reason.
Rich Froning probably isn't for two reasons:
1) He has an FFMI of 26.4 assuming the stats he has quoted himself as 200 lbs at 5'9 and an estimated body fat of 10% (and that's a conservative estimate considering he looks pretty lean year round).
2) He's a professional athlete in the world of crossfit with big names/sponsors like Reebok. If you have regular guys at the gym who work out simply to look good and they're commonly taking steroids, you can bet that professional athletes who compete at the highest level do the same, particularly because it's their career.
But that's not to take away from his or anyone else's hard work or accomplishment because it's pretty much assumed that if you compete at the highest level in a physically-demanding sport you are enhancing. For example, do you think the guys in the NFL are natural lol?
Armstrong is also big name, but claimed natty before.
+Magnus M yeah that is a prime example of what goes on in big name sports.
When there's that much $ and fame behind it, guys do morally questionable things all the time unfortunately.
And people were so pissed over him coming out with the truth but forget that even though he placed 1st, the next 9 guys behind him were doing pretty much the same thing lol
Legit like 70% of past winners have been caught/implicated with doping, the other 30% just didn't get caught and were lucky lol
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9626520/How-Tour-de-Frances-recent-past-has-been-ruined-by-doping.html
+VitruvianPhysique Dude if u say Steve Cook may be on something then Matt Bogus Cake has to be on something. lets just be serious about this.
+VitruvianPhysique um excuse me sir
+VitruvianPhysique you forgot the real natty kings
Rich Piana is the biggest natty
sike!
dont forget he is vegan
I'm 130 pounds 5'6" from the ground and can curl a joint, calm down guys I know it's impressive but I'm all natty.
dude screw that "they might be natural" most of them aren't
All of them are fake.
cm punky how is Greg Plitt and hodge twins unnatural?
They are lean almost 99% of the time, how is that possible? and they gain muscle at the same time? they use lean bulking or what? :)) There are no such much as natural bodybuilders anymore, nothing is natural anymore atleast you have a farm and you eat what you grow. I am not speaking about Steroids here, I mean suplements are the problem, why people take them? why to become a 100kg bodybuilder and use suplements? is it because 70-80 kg natural look to small, poeple forgoted about what natural really means and that is sad, from my 5 year of classic bodybuilding I reached to the conclusion that the gains are really really really slow and that looking lean is something that you can achieve under the age 18 and that in time the fat storage becomes studborn and is hase smth to do with the life style.
Anyway it is nice that they struggle to make a living from this sport and it is great that they share a lot of theyre time on youtube that can help us grow bigger-stronger-better but I would be happy to not hear these discusions that OMG is that bodybuilder natty or not? Guys everyone tryes theyre best to be in a great shape and the important thing is to apreciate the work they do in this life and not to judge usseles stuff, at the beggining I was judging too and sayed Hell no to suplements and steroids, but in the last 1-2 years I starting researching very closely and actualy starting buying some stuff because I saw that I was an StoneIdiot and simply saying NO to stuff that can help, since then I was reading about suplements and really slowly buying and trying stuff and eliminated imediately what seemed useless.
About the suplements: Since 2014-2015 I started taking sometimes Glucose or Dextrose before or after training because I was working 8 hr every day and training alone at home it can be hard sometimes but I take it only when I am tired, I started buying fish oil because I was growing sick in eating Tuna fish almost every day and I knowed that I need omega 3 and after looking for this suplement smth like 6 moths :)) buyed one pack with 60 caps and actually after 30 Days I was having the same diet + 2 fish oil caps dayli and I was looking a little leaner, so since the I keep taking them every single day and feel great but still on some days I eat good amount of fish and don`t take. The 2nd suplement comes with bad health problems and I am in rehab right now because I was starting to have nose bleed suddenly from nothing and the doctors are saying that I was very low on vitamins and minerals mainly because I eat not enought fruits so since 9.2016 I am on vitamins and noticed to gain in weight pretty good but that means also a lot of fats and the last one that I am adding on the list after long time of denial and I was pretty right about this one it is my first Creatine powder suplement and it was a shit that helped me with nothing and actually the loading time was hard and I haved tought stomach pain and after the loading phase I felt nothing better so the rest of it went on the Toilet so I don`t recomand it.
Shared some shit here :)) srry but sometimes I like sharing and I am not in the mood to delete or edit this post :D Maybe I hit the subject here or avoidet it dunno but what at the end remains is that Natty-Natural has died with me in 2014-2015 when I started taking suplements too and is not a bad thing after all because we are here to survive and be the best version of ourselfs and who knows? probably these suplements can help us so think carefully before buying and my opinion is that everyone should find the perfect balance in this sport and make sure that the investments they make are not in vain so stay healthy and enjoy life :D
hodge twins have cycled before, they were on low dosages though
I still don't use supplements, and highly doubt I ever will. Just lifting for health reasons no need for supplements. For the vitamins I do eat fruit and know I hold some fat because of them. But who cares if you don't look spot on magazine perfect? It doesn't make us healthier by lowering bodyfat to really low percentages.
please just do the whole gymshark crew.
i think ur on point.. a lot of people think just cos someones shredded, they're on shit.
+aoFeliX I gurantee you the whole gymshark crew will fall in that 24-26 crossover range so you'll have to make your own decisions.
The stats say that it's not impossible but very unlikely, and you have a whole team of guys falling in that range where just 1 guy would be a statistical anomaly. But then again, they did collect these guys from all over the world so you can argue that such a level of statistical anomaly is possible.
The only two I can somewhat make a decisive conclusion with is:
Alon Gabbay: Not natural (way too shredded and big year round with that paper thin/dry skin look)
Lavado: Completely attainable naturally, but don't get me wrong he's got a great physique when he's shredded and it won't be easy to attain that.
Jeff is also a real stretch because he's pretty damn lean year round and competed in the IFBB at such a young age.
+VitruvianPhysique any thoughts on lex and marc fit? i think they're both natural.
aoFeliX I would be very surprised if Marc Fit wasn't natural. He's got a great physique, but it's not in any way unnatural. I'd estimate an FFMI of somewhere in the 21~22 range similar to Christian Guzman.
Lex's status is a bit bit harder to determine. One one hand he holds his own next to some pretty crazy guys like Matt Ogus and Jeff Seid while retaining a good level of conditioning year-round, but on the other hand he is in his 30's and isn't that massive in person.
I've met him and he looks great in terms of his insertions (genetics), but he's not as massive/shredded as you may think from Instagram where athletes pick and choose 1 out of 100 photos where they look the best.
I can't find any reliable information on his stats so I can't make an FFMI calculation so I will have to rely on qualitative assumptions. I'll admit I'm not 100% sure but if I had to wager money, I'd say yes he is natural.
But again, I don't really care as long as he continues to put out good content in terms of information/motivation :)
+aoFeliX I believe lex has dabbled..
Why can't I mute your hands? 😂
No.
He's doing sign-language for the non-spastic.
+Tom Evans no he is not idiot
Execute Tourneys How'd you get so stupid?
Well you are
Seriously, Rich Piana is the most natural at all.
Shut the fuck up this joke is old you bitch boy
Dude Phil Heath is definitely natty
we are all going to make it brahs
+zyzz :'(
+zyzz furak
Fuark u brah
Do my favorite natty bodybuilder Rich Piana next.
Rich Piano is my best natural warcraft orc
+Franco Toxic My favourite vegan musical instrument
It's not funny anymore..
was
I like that you threw in Phil Heath,Arnold and Zyzz as examples. It will give us a clearer insight of how unnatural lifters can look like
Dude regardless of the content, this was a great presentation and analysis. Congratulations .
+ponder2006 thank you very much!
Brilliant video. You managed to put together a fairly conclusive argument as to whether those athletes are juicers! I haven't seen another video like it. Keep up the unique but quality content & your sub count will rocket! :)
Gerard Thanks man, I appreciate that. Yeah I tried to stay relatively balanced and scientific with regards to my approach. Glad you enjoyed it!
VitruvianPhysique Yeah man staying scientific is definitely the best way to go - that way the trolls can't argue! Btw a video that i've been looking for is one on Sarcoplasmic vs Myofibrillar hypertrophy in muscle growth. I think it's fairly significant to determine the way that people should train different muscles in different rep ranges to attain a more proportionate physique. If you could make a vid on this topic that would be appreciated :)
Gerard I'll add it to the list of videos to make, thanks for the advice!
Scott Herman is natural
as a rule of thumb, the youtubers who look natty, are under 5'9, and have been training for several years without some huge spontaneous change over a single month, are usually natty.
the ones that come to mind are:
Scott Herman
Athlean
Frank Yang
Fortress Bodyweight
Aesthetic and Igor💪
Nasser El Sonbaty obviously he is 😂😂 he is a good guy don't get me wrong but no way he could be unnatural
He hasn't changed since 2009. Not just natural, but doesn't train the proper way.
Very likelly, he has none of the typical side effects from roids.
"Simeon panda, fuck no"
Dom Mazzetti?
+manonfire237 he doesnt even lift..lol
+Tristan nattydisaster he's bigger than 99.98% of the world
+El Tapo In Es Prime that's not even his name lol look up the real Dom mazeti and idk if you're kidding but no..he's not even classified as a brodege
Dom isn't on roids, roids are on Dom
lmaooo
I like how Rich Piana wasn't included because it's obvious that he is natural. My favourite natural bodybuilder after all.
+lemdog47 I can't include him in a video with regular humans, after all he left humanity behind....naturally.
There are people who still belive Matt is natural....
+GoZuHaZa still cn be achieved natural
Half natty brah...
+GoZuHaZa he is natural bro. sad if you don't think you can achieve it.
tim robinson coaching Hey! 90 IQ spotted rofl
GoZuHaZa thats doesn't have anything to do with IQ, LOL
>Jeff Seid
>possible
lm
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perfect!
+FitnessOskar
FitnessOskar am Start :-D
Bester Mann
lol oskar
+FitnessOskar You are not natty too Oscar and you know it;D
+George Giannik this skinnyboy is a natty ;)
Rickay77 He is not bro.Trust me....Almost nobody famous youtuber is natty except Omar Isuf,Nick Wright and Luimarco(and Vince G probably)
how about sergi constance and lazar angelov?
+Winterschant Lazar is not natty.
+oliskranz Neither is Sergi
+Winterschant awe totally. Serge pumps juice by the gallon
***** you're an idiot if you think Lazar is natty, nothing to do with being shredded, sorry fanboy, your crush is not natty.
make love not war. condoms are cheaper than guns
This video was put together really well! good job bro
+JubrillENT Than you!
frank zane was called the chemist because he studied it
Really well presented and interesting video. Thanks man
That first guy didnt make a single squat in his career
+ZebraF4CE Christian? He does have slightly lagging legs, but he also has a 455 squat lol
Slightly? I bet i had bigger legs than that guy even before i started lifting and i was thin son of a bitch
ZebraF4CE That's true, you're the best
VitruvianPhysique Yea i know thanks
+ZebraF4CE cant argue with a dude whos username is zebraface am i right or am i right
Everybody knows that my FFMI is at least 35 or some shit, right babe?
Nice video mate!
Subscribed, looking forward to next videos. Great work!
What about Bradley Martin? :O
Good information man nice video
Austin Gronli Thank you!
I think you need to add age into this factor, Jeff seid at 18 with a ffmi of 24 does not seem natural, imagine in 12 years, how much he can train, 12 years! I believe Steve Cook would be natural over seid.
looking back after a year of making this video I realize there's a lot more variability involved than I had previously through when it comes to human potential. Honestly I don;t give a crap about this debate anymore since it's impossible to tell lol
Well considering his physique hasn't changed much since he was 14, just a bit more mass then it's fathomable. Do you think he was on steroids at 14?
Nope it's actually very possible to tell. It's easy to just be disingenuous and say "well I don't know it's impossible to tell" and go off spouting your bullshit.
B Johnson I work with athletes. Literally impossible to tell. I have met steroid users smaller than me.
VitruvianPhysique jeff seid is actually 5'9".
wheres Bradley Martyn
Just did a response to this video :D great Content
My favorite natural athlete is Brock Lesnar.
+Rattifant kek
epic video. people REALLY under estimate the power of genetics! Laughed my ass off when i was in contest prep and somebody asked me my cycle LOL. I'm like brah i weigh 140 lbs. when shredded.... deceiving, bodybuilding is all illusions.
Very well done, Sir. Liking the academic approach of how to present the data and let the viewer understand the boundaries which of course are not black and white.
I actually think Jeff Seid started using at a very young age, there are a lot of people who do shit like that, high school football players for example, Jeff was a wrestler so he probably did that so he could beat them and act like a superior ass hole like he always does. I don't really think many on that list are natural.. everyone of those guys is in it for the money and the industry doesn't allow them to be honest.
aw man I so wish you mentioned kali muscle
+Mark Figg At a glance he looks incredibly not natty.
+DarkoDust what gave it away 😂
+Mark Figg lol. his arms look like balloons haha
His FFMI is 33,81.
Saying someone isn't on steroids, because he has a certain weight or physique is bullcrap. Some people take roids and still look like naturals... Christian Guzman could well be on roids, too. On the other hand, respecting someone for being natural but having a great physique due to amazing genetics (Candito's lower body), doesn't make sense for me either. Why do you respect someone for being born with great genetics. That's like taking business advice from a millionaires heiress. I myself work my ass of in the gym, while working full time and don't want or need credit for that, its fun, it my hobby. But being respected massively for going to the gym, genetics or steroids, doesn't really fit my understanding...
BTW Vitruvian Physique I do have a broad knowledge about the whole industry and the sport for a while now but I have to admit that it's always a joy to listen to you bro, you know your shit and stay down to earth! What's ur FFMI?
Peace and Juice
11:55 "Simeon Panda - fuck no!" I want to sample this and use it as my ringtone.
WISH YOU DID MORE ABOUT GREAG PLITT he was an amazing athlete my motivation got me started at 14 I'm 20 now he's helped me stay motivated and that I can do it and that I don't have to be skinny cause of him I went from a wide receiver and free safty to tide end and outside linebacker
Rich piana is by far the most natty guy out there.
this is BY FAR the best video on youtube addressing the natty/steroid issue...
Thumbs up for me :)
What do you think of gokuflex? (Matt Kido)
brad castlebury has a score of 79
+Frank Lampard srsly tho
+VitruvianPhysique it's beyond a joke the claims he makes
Frank Lampard WHat does he claim?
he claims to be natural that's not the best of it the weights he's lifting are the biggest joke ! guys only 5'9@ 255lb but lean as fuck
+VitruvianPhysique check his Instagram out mate
omg. dem legs at 4:24
You had a really good point about not worrying about the steroid uses and focusing on not just their physique.
what about kali muscle.. hes natty right
+Daniel Poursasan Lol not sure if srs :P
+VitruvianPhysique what are you talking about why wouldn't I be serious. hes probably has an ffmi of 45 but he eats ramen noodles so it is plausable
+Daniel Poursasan legit, he just lifts bags of water and eats tuna packets, ALL NATTY BABY
Lol but srsly is Dom mazzeti on juice?
Daniel Poursasan Highly doubt it, not that he looks bad or anything. I mentioned him in more detail in comments below if you want to search via CTRL+F
Jeff Seid is always 18 years old and not natty.
This video is full of excuses. There's guys who's pictures you're showing, with gynocomastia, and you're saying they're natural. GTFO.
All these people are making money from their fitness levels. What do you think John McEnroe or Lance Armstrong would score on your metric? They were sauced to the gills.
+overvolting Also, you didn't even consider their diets. Most of these guys have HORRID diets for having low body fat %.
Hodge twins eating McDonals and Wings and pizza every night?
+overvolting y they are all on it for obvious reasons.. but whatevs
sauced to the gills...lmao im stealing that
+overvolting Who in the video has gyno and he said is natural?
+Louie Gonzales hodgetwinz
Bravo! One of the best critic out there! I hope education will help young athletes make the right choice and praise the right people for their hard work and discipline.
Should of done Kali Muscle
Cortez Benevidas too obvious :p
Sheep yeah, he's natty af
he's on that prison diet, obviously natty
Cortez Benevidas my favorite natty bodybuilder
Cortez Benevidas should've*
How about Bradley martyn?
WowitsLife haha good one 😂
Naah dom is waay bigger than him
Are you serious? He's bigger than Arnold
Dom's bigger, if Dom steps in front of Bradley Martyn than its like Bradley isn't even there... its just Dom
Is water wet ?
How about you do this video again, with some other well known people like: Rob Riches, Scooby, Frank Medrano, Lazar Angelov, CT Fletcher, Mike Rashid and others.
6:43 Doug Censor Martin
+Vextuzy FFMI of 6
Oh shit that is doug
+Vextuzy Who's that? I just googled Hodge Twins lol
I don't think Chris Jones looks very aesthetic at all. He just looks like an average buff guy...smh lol
Jason Genova is my favorite natural bodybuilder it's so sickening
+Seb Slayz All Pissening aesthetics of Lord Vader
+Seb Slayz All lol
Janoy is on all kinds of skittles
good vid man!
jeff seid is on the juice
Disagree 😬
@@sebuhiqeribzade fat Fanboy
BRO it's obvious his chin is bigger then thors hammer
Rich pineapple is my favourite natural fruit
+A5iaNatorTV LOL! I clicked on this video just to see if Rich Piana was on the list.
+ElEternoPoetaLuis I will include Piano on part 3 :)
Matt Ogus literally has a video talking about being natural and says he injects steroids into his legs
+TheIsaac5252 link plz
+TheIsaac5252 That was a joke/troll vid lol The whole thing is a parody of guys accusing him of roids
Ok, that makes sense. I don't get why he calls himself "half-natty" though
like because he looks so good he's not unatty, he's just half
I dunno it's like a long running joke
wow. his legs are insane
Very cultivating video. Thanks fam.
haha mat ogus natural come on bro.. like your stuff but your miles out on him my friend
Didn't say he is. Said from a #'s standpoint it's not impossible.
Not impossible is not the same as confirmed 100%
Mat ogus is on something for sure deffo on some growth his bulks are to lean and ripped and his cuts show how much mass he loses like he changes his cycle maybe to anavar or something. i've been natural for so long it pisses me off when people lie.
I understand the feeling and it is frustrating as you end up using an unattainable frame of comparison.
Again not saying him specifically because the #'s say it's not impossible, however it would have to be a pretty damn big anomaly.
anyways bro keep the good work up i learned alot watching your stuff. thanks
It's just that actions speak louder than words; and if they competed natural then they'd blow away the competition, so clearly they're full of crap since they DON'T compete natural.
Jeff Cavalier 100% real. Jeff for president 2020 !
10:50 Is that a 9 pack? First I've ever seen.
Great video man! great info.
"he is an ectomorph" thats when i quit this video
What about the buff dudes??
If you ask me they are definitely at the crossover realm especially Brandon. If you watch his what do buff dudes eat he looked pretty good for a guy who only lifted for a couple of years.
+colin poon Brandon has been lifting since he was a teen, more than a few years
Joe Millar if you watch his what do buff dudes eat he reached a pretty Damn big physique quite fast. Not that I'm saying he ain't natty but like it's defo crossover
+Joe Millar What does training since teenage years have to do with a genetic limit that is reached in your fifth year of training?
+colin poon mate, he's hitting about 220lb and around 6ft 2. As far as I can see, he's stayed around the same size in most of his video apart from the 1 week cut which is what he did for a magazine.
1:11 "shitty unatural bodybuilder" shows chestbrah lol
Greg Plitt is the guy to beat, absolute legend, perfect body, and the best motivational speaker of all time almost. Legacy lives.
Here's a good question. On that website to calculate FFMI, do we go by the FFMI number or the ADJUSTED FFMI number? I've noticed that sometimes the adjusted one can be LOWER than the regular one [especially with shorter people], but it most cases it's a little higher.
what’s the difference between them?
Great job man, you should do one of these every year. I enjoy the actual information you put out. Your brain is on roids!
Jeff is more likely to be on something than Steve Cook
Loved the video man this is awesome!!!
I have 15 years of hard natural training at list 4x a week behind me and i don't believe any of them are natural!
+poliklolik well, the first one obviously looks like he is. It depends on the training man.
You can train your punches and kicks for years and not get the size, but amazing hitting strength.
You can do hard powerlifting for years and not have size anywhere close to natural bodybuilders.
And resistance training aimed at size might not give you comparable strength to those of above, but great size and shape.
Butthurt
+Dexter Wallace lmfao!!
+poliklolik What is your's FFMI after 15 years?
That's not true at all. You can train for 5 and use steroids and have the body like a god. I've never seen a natural lifter with a god like body...ever..in my entire life
best way to get a solid view point if someone is natural or not. train hard eat well rest well for the same amount of time these guys are at and see where you are in comparison. that's what I'm in the process of doing
LOL fuck no. this would never work.
How?
+MrMusicdot genetics
MrMusicdot naa ffm is the most accurate. usually anything over 25 is suspicious
You complete ignored the genetics factor, training adaptation and etc
MAN!!!!!!! what i just saw?? the most untagle fitness video ever? finally someone got the balls to do it!!!!
@VitruvianPhysique dude you are so real i love ya man . The only guy telling the truth
8:05 wtf, zero calves, he might as well be natty
Awesome. My boy Christian Guzman is natural. He's so handsome.
Natural LOL nattys don't use stimulants like 1-3-dimeth
This guy looks like the atom from arrow lol
BRANDON ROUTH!! I agree 100%. First thing i thought when I saw him. That's why I'm hooked! 😁😋
Great analysis and presentation!
wow , came back to watch old vids , damn igor u got allot more comfortable talking to the camera. Keep improving , hugs