Hera’s design is just **chef’s kiss** The peacocks pulling back the curtain was absolutely genius, and the bit with her spitting out the wine was hilarious. 😂 Love it, great work!
I love that she's like, first god who's presence seems to dominate Athenas , and she's also taller than her. So was Ares, but it's really different! Hera here treats her way less like an equal and more like a kiddo and I think that's pretty fun
@alisond929 Actually her mother was Metis, an elder oceanid, who was Zeus' counsellor and made the plan, where Kronos threw up his remaining kids. Zeus as thanks swallowed her, because she would've born a son that was stronger than him (not cool). Then Athena just kind of sprung from his head. (I'm so sorry if this comes off as rude or something!!!)
I think part of the reason Athena’s cheating line had so much impact was because the three traits that she listed before it were also traits that Zeus possesses, thus making the difference stand out more.
Dialogue is even better when you realize what Athena's strategy was. Mind of a genius, skilled with words, and kind of funny are all traits Zeus has and would no doubt get Hera thinking about him and all of his escapades. So when Athena stated his redeeming feature, it had more impact.
@@Griffin1827it is suggested that he is smart or clever because of how he dealed with the titans and he is a judge and a god of fate so you would think those things are smart since he has to deal out punishment 😂 its debatable
@@Griffin1827 He also absorbed/vored his first love, a nymph and Athena's mother, in order to obtain great wisdom by turning her into his personal Alexa. This is also the reason why in Greek myth Athena was born from Zeus's head.
But, wait. Did he cheat on Penelope? I know he did in the mythos, but in most depictions of the Odyssey he doesn't since it was with Circe and that doesn't really become relevant until the sequel so it's usually skipped over.@@tc4331
@@tc4331I mean technically she’s right since Odysseus was taken in by the nymph Calypso who held him captive with her powers for years & the Goddess Circe coecered him into sleeping with her to free his men from becoming literal bacon.
I mean- let's be honest. All the Gods unanimously said "Fuck Jason." There's a reason they let Medea ride away on literal dragons into the sunset while spiting him to the end.
@@AliceSakihara to be fair to Jason, the original story ended with a happily ever after, and then the whole story with him being an ahole to Medea happened in a sequel tragic play. Like comparing Luke Skywalker to the Sequel Old Luke.
@@flamenami Actually, Medea was writren and performed over a century before the Argonautica, around 431 BC and sometime around the first half of the 3rd century BC respectively. Medea was written by the Greek Playwright Euripedes who lived around 480-405 BC, Apollonius of Rhodes who was the Author of the Argonautica (or Jason and the Argonauts) wasn't born until some time around 295 BC. So Medea was the original, and Apollonius is kind of like a published fanfic author who wrote a prequel after the copyright expired and it entered public domain. I studied Greek plays and history in college and an a Hellenic Polytheist, so I spend a lot of time reading and researching the original plays. Edit: Also in the original Medea play, it's revealed that Medea only married Jason because he had Hera's favor and the goddess convinced Aphrodite to make her fall in love with him. Jason breaking his vow to Medea was kind of like a double insult to Hera who helped him and is the Goddess of Marriage. So he died sad and alone, crushed by the rotting mast of the ship he once sailed. So yeah, the Gods very much said "fuck you Jason."
Its honestly kinda sweet, given that Athena isn't directly Hera's daughter. She was born from Zeus having a splitting headache. But seeing as how that means she wasn't the product of cheating, Hera probably decided she would gladly be her mother in name if not in blood.
@@redrasegarden A “hero” who was also a huge jerk. Long story. Basically, Hera granted Jason her favor and he went on to succeed in his quest…and then later betrayed his wife and children by trying to marry up. It didn’t end well for him.
@@brickbreck Look, Hera is Queen of the Gods. She contains multitudes a mortal mind could not fathom. But one of those multitudes is definitely bitchiness lol
@@fredericmartin7352 Given everything she's gone through, I would say she deserves any fits she has. It's not like she's going to kill Zeus for his transgressions, even if she wanted to. Imagine being forced into a marriage, made to be the queen of the gods and the goddess of marriage, just to have your husband run around and cheat on you. I think she's earned a bit of grace.
@@fredericmartin7352 The illegitimate child that is just more outward evidence of her husband's refusal to be faithful to the goddess of marriage. Not only outward evidence but boasting evidence - one well known by the community for his strength and bravery, another feature probably bestowed by Zeus. The gods didn't care about mortals and Hera was not alone in the "being petty" thing on people; she at least had more obvious reasons other than "I just don't like you." She was very good to the women who didn't get her husband's affections.
Lmao, Hera spitting out the wine 🫠 Edit: I'm sorry, but how the fuck and why the fuck does my comment has one thousand likes? Seriously, that's so random 💀
I like how, rather than going against to as why Odysseus should still suffer like how Aphrodite and Ares. She asks **why** he should be let go. She’s not saying anything bad to Odysseus in the song, rather, she just wants to know what makes Odysseus different. It’s kinda nice
HOLY MOLY THIS WAS ✨ G O R G E U S ✨ First off, I LOVED Hera’s design! The veil made her look like a bride which is extremely fitting since she’s the goddess of marriage. The the peacocks 🦚 are perfect! Second, I love how young Athena looks in comparison to Hera! Hera physically looks like she’s in her 40s or 50s and Athen looks like she’s in her late teens to early 20s. During 0:10, it also make Hera look motherly as if she’s lecturing Athena on something. Not to mention, Hera kind of seems extremely chill about the entire situation. She gives me the vibe of : “that’s nice, dear.” It makes seem more like she’s treating it as a game(which it is) and not seriously. It actually makes it funnier when she spits out the wine she’s drinking.
You can almost hear her counting how many times she's heard each of those things: "he's got the mind of a genius!" "57" "he's pretty skilled within words!" "149" "he's kinda funny." "600" "never once has he cheated on his wife." "...zero."
Your design of Hera is amazing! She looks so great and like such a queen! The peacocks pulling back the curtain are awesome little detail and Athena holding up one of them is great too!
Hearing this on repeat, you kinda start thinking... Hera is not talking about Odysseus' mistakes and wrongdoings like the other gods were. She's asking why he deserves to be freed. Athena, of course, starts with his genius intellect, but that doesn't land. A silver tongue? A sense of humor? None of those things make you good. Pleasant, perhaps. But not reasons why Odysseus should prevail. Saying he's faithful however? Oh, that is a something worth saving.
Also, Hera's husband, Zeus, can be described with every one of those traits except “Never cheated on his wife,” so all of those traits were not convincing enough for Hera to free Odysseus because, like… Her husband has those traits, and he is still a cheating ass, but when she's told that Odysseus never cheated on his wife, she sees Odys loyalty, and it is enough to convince her that Odysseus deserves to be released. (We are not talking about what happened in the original Odyssey when Odysseus stayed on Calypso's Island or when he actually did it with Circe...)
@@rafaelaguirre8091 because Greek mythology isn’t a book series, it’s what people actually believed. Of course Zeus is the father of half of Ancient Greek heroes, every city wanted a founder king descended from the king of gods.
My idea was that on "so many heroes" all the statues of greek heroes (Perseus, Daedalus, etc...) would appear and theoughout the animatic hera would be cleaning them up / silly stuff😂
As an interesting fact, Athena helped 3 heroes in one way or another for sure. (And even more, it seems, but my memory fails me) She gave Pereseus a helmet of invisibility and convinced Hera that Hercules should be raised in her temple.And moreover, Hercules was so friendly with her that he asked Athena to accompany him on his last journey when he was dying in the fire.And of course the Trojan Horse So I perceive this moment as a jab at Athena, saying, “You’ve already helped so many heroes, haven’t you?”
Fantastic animatic and designs, Hera spitting out the wine was definitely a highlight. Also technically Athena is right, in the Odyssey Odysseus is forced to sleep with Circe to save his men (basically you can't really consent if you're threatened into it), and Odysseus didn't (at least willingly) cheat on his beloved wife. So Athena technically never lies to Hera. EDIT: ik Jay changed TAOW so Ody didn't sleep with Circe, which only proves my point that Ody didn't cheat on his wife. Also btw in the Odyssey Ody was Calypso's prisoner so any s*xual act is also under coercion and dubious consent (cause Calypso is also powerful and holding his life in her hand), idk how Jay will change the Calypso storyline but no matter what it still can't be considered consensual BECAUSE LIKE WITH CIRCE THERE WAS A MAJOR POWER IMBALANCE AND ODY WAS OFFERED VERY LITTLE CHOICE. I have several replies in the reply section please read them all if you're going to argue.
In the Odyssey, he is very reluctant to sleep with Circe. Hermes has to remind him that by doing this, he gets back to Penelope. It can be argued that Calypso raped him. So he truly was loyal to Penelope.
@@lynncanigula8563 so true! And even when he was offered immortality by Calypso he still chose Penelope. It's clear from the Odyssey that he really loves and misses Penelope, he wants to return to her more than anything, and so Penelope (and Telemachus) can be argued to be his main driving force in the entire Epic. If it was any other circumstance he likely would never have cheated. Also gotta admit not very often does Greek mythology have husbands who genuinely love and value their wife over power. Hope this made sense
In the original Odyssey, Odysseus does willingly sleep with Calypso. However, in ancient Greece, when a man sleeps with a woman without the intention of marrying her then that was not considered cheating. So technically yes, Odysseus never cheated by ancient Greek standards. But if a woman were to do that in ancient Greece, it WOULD be considered cheating. Which is why Penelope never sleeps with any of the suitors.
I love the fact that you gave bigger hips to Hera since that is supposed to make child birth easier, and since she is said to be the protector of childbirth. Accidental or not, it is a really good detail!
It is worth noting that Odysseus is at the tail end of the mythological heroes. The Argonauts were about 1 generation away from his. So Hera has seen and helped the best of the best in Greek heroes. So it makes sense why she isn’t impressed with him at first But seeing that he’s stayed loyal to his family for 20 years IS. And, as the Goddess of family and marriage she respects that a lot more.
Yeah sadly in the myth he boinked both Circe and Calypso because the greeks were not super concerned about men cheating rather it was women who needed to stay faithful. I prefer this update to the myth ngl. It does modernize it and bring a nice twist to Circe. Idk what theyll do with Calypso but I assume itll be just as good.
@@forgetaboutme5414He kind of had no choice in either scenario with Circe or Calypso. They had more power. One was a witch who could kill his men. And the other was a goddess. Power imbalances and all that jazz
I'm living for that introduction to Hera! You convinced a Groozy Hera is possible- Like a sassy no nonsense mother who ruled the dance floors in the 70s and still kills it on the dancefloor at family weddings.
I love how smug Athena looks when she pulls out "Never once has he cheated on his wife". You just know that it is this point she knows will convince Hera to let him go, and she planned to use it from the very beginning. Everything before that is only token arguments before slam dunking the true point. In true Athena form she's playing on how Hera sees her, a kind of young and awkward goddess who is trying to playfully save a mortal, by mentioning really silly things like "He's kinda funny" to bait her in. Then bam! comes the true point, which with the really obvious hint at Zeus infidelity would probably make Hera loose it normally. If it was not delivered by what seems to be a really young awkward godess trying to playfully save a favoured mortal in what is supposed to be a "game". Truly a show of Athenas role of godess of wisdom and the "manipulation" Aries mentiones in their earlier showdown
The part that really hits me is the semi-taunting “You can do better than that.” Hera is hearing Athena out, even though she likely doesn’t care and even hates Odysseus in some Roman myths. She hears the qualities that Athena is listing, and is likely in her mind associating them with other heroes who she views with disdain. It’s the fact that Odysseus never willingly cheats on Penelope that convinces Hera, the goddess of marriage, to let him go because that is shocking to her. Her own chosen hero Jason even cheats on his wife to try and get a more luxurious lifestyle. Athena’s chosen hero has succeeded where Hera’s failed in being faithful to his wife, and that’s genuinely impressive to Hera. It’s also nice how Hera seems to respect Athena somewhat, even calling her “baby” seemingly as an affectionate nickname for her stepdaughter, because a lot of people seem to not know that Hera is Zeus’ second wife after absorbing his first.
Hera isn't Zeus's second wife after Metis in any texts though. In the one version where Metis is the first, Hera is the seventh consort (even Leto comes before her), but even then Athena is born during Zeus and Hera's marriage and it angers Hera. And there are also several versions in which Zeus sleeps with Metis when he is already married to Hera, of course.
The peacocks pulling apart the curtain. The shine on her crown. Her swagger as she approaches Athena (my favourite part) The cut to the peacocks just staring. I love all of these shots, they're so lovely, they add so much personality to her that some animatics sometimes lack. They're all great in their own way, but this one is just the icing on the cake.
Since Thunder Saga dropped and we learned that God Games' level start instrument is Zeus' motif it also means that he's the one suplying the music, which means the moment Athena checkmates Hera and the music comes to a COMPLETE HALT it's that ZEUS stopped playing and probably got a nasty look from Hera before the "release him.".
Remember, however, that we are talking about a goddess whose husband is responsible for some gods who weren't her children, plus some mortal heroes and kings, and, as some point out, her chosen one, Jason, was not faithful either.
Honestly I think the “He’s kinda funny” line deserves more credit. Because this means that throughout the years, despite any differences the two have had, Athena’s always been there to willingly listen to Odysseus’s jokes. And yeah, that’s a small thing, but in a day and age such as this when you expect the gods to be all serious and whatnot, it matters. That’s just a small detail I wanted to highlight. Also the art is great and I adore Hera’s design-
One other thing I wanna mention which I thought deserved its own reply: Hera isn’t very skinny. She has a relatively plump figure, being big and tall and clearly spoilt. She isn’t fat, not at all, but compared to Athena, Aphrodite, and Circe, her figure is much bigger. It really sells the whole “Greek Queen of All Gods” type of vibe. Because since she’s literally the queen, she has access to all these riches and luxuries that most of the gods beneath her don’t have. She’s able to relax and waste time more often than the others, thus she has a bit more weight to her. This actually makes her seem more powerful and threatening, and also more like a strict mother in Athena’s case. (Granted, I don’t know much yet about the history of the Greek Gods so idk how many children Hera and Zeus actually had but it must’ve been a lot lol)
I feel like first Athena was talking about things that impressed her then realised that her goddess of marriage isn’t going to be impressed by knowledge she’s going to be impressed by loyalty
I love how you made the peacock a defined trade of her since it IS her sacred animal after all that shows that you know about the Greek mythology and not just animating but knowing about that character!
Yoooo, her strut at so many heroes! I love the swagger of it and how smooth the animation was there! Also love the character design, this is the queen of the Gods and her traits are all very present in how she looks and carries herself.
0:080:10 I think it is interesting that while Athena is tall compared to a human, she is tall because she is built extremely tall and slender but is otherwise human sized. Normal sized head, hands, etc. Whereas Hera is not built like a unusually tall woman, she is simply larger in every way.
i like how hera is by far the most powerful god so far and she shows it, dramatic entrance, orchestral vocals and all. but she probably puts up the least resistance just because odysseus is that loyal to his wife
i love the detail of Hera's speech being slurred slightly when she says "release him" right after she spit her drink. such a small detail but so great to see
@@Shauntheduke. In the one and only account where Zeus takes Metis as a consort before Hera (Hesiod's Theogony), he also takes Leto as a consort before her. And while Apollo and Artemis are born before Zeus marries Hera in this source, Athena is actually born after.
@@terra4822 Only when it comes to Calypso, with Circe he stayed with her willingly. She let him go as soon as he said he wanted to leave, she never forced him to do anything.
In Greek myths, he cheated on Penelope with both Circe and Calypso. He did so willingly with Circe, but he was forced into it by Calypso. Also I believe this song takes place before he goes to Calypso's island.
In Greek myths, he cheated on Penelope with both Circe and Calypso. He did so willingly with Circe, but he was forced into it by Calypso. Also I believe this song takes place before he goes to Calypso's island. His relationship with Circe isn't canon to Epic the Musical.
This Hera design is just so *chef’s kiss* PERFECT. The height, the sharp features, the extravagant gown and jewellery, the lightning bolt earring and it just conveys all her character SO well!
Fun fact: Hera is the most powerful of the Olympian gods. For one, she is genuinely powerful, having easily overpowered other gods and being one of the original children of Chronos. But for another, Zeus will always try to do as Hera wants, while Hera will NOT have her mind changed. If Hera wants something and Zeus does not, then the only thing Zeus can do is try to trick her. And it doesn't always work. If there is something that Hera wants and Zeus does not, then it's gonna happen, because he will relent. She gets what she wants, eventually. So Hera is the best ally you can have among the gods.
I adore how Hera got the feeling of a step mother, considering Atherna is in some myths the daugther of Zeus first wife. The dynamic is diffrent from if she spoke to any of Zeus bastards.
can i say i love love hera's design i know alot of people see the queen of the gods godess of women, marriage, and childbirth, as a skinny sexy sort of thing but i love lvoe that she has curves and mroe volume, espcally ebign durign that time having more rotund or full figure was considered beautiful. i really lvoe what you did and i keep replying the part where hera enters jsut to look hwo beautiful ehr design is
I love Athena's smirk when mentioning Odysseus never cheated on his wife, since she knew it'll get Hera to listen. (if my very rustic Greek memory didn't fail me yet-Hera is a goddess of marriage? Or something related to that??)
I'm addicted to watching this. The animation is so smooth and I love how you set the stage with the peacocks. I'd kill to watch your full-length animated version of this musical.
I like to think that is the song where Athena's silliness is starting to come out more, when she started listing all the good quality Odysseus has that can convince Hera to let him go, especially at the end when she says 'he's kinda funny' and by the way, I love your art😍
Kinda late to the party but I love that the most convincing reason for Hera is that Odysseus is faithful to Penelope. Not only because of Zeus’ infamous faithfulness to Hera (or lack thereof), but because she is the Greek goddess of marriage and women. She’s heard all the other qualities before- but being a good husband? Checks out.
Hera's just having fun with it. She has nothing against Ody, lines like "you can do better than that" show that for her it's just another silly, insignificant game
Wine aunt Hera is in fact, a vibe and an accurate mythological representation
Amen 🍷
I’m sure you’d drink too if you had her husband
We all love the wine aunt 🍷 🗿
@@Epic_Halfblood I wanna go to camp half blood😫
@@ATLACEDES same 😭😭
Hera: I have very high standards
Athena: he never cheats on his wife
Hera: sh*t hes meeting all my standards😱
But the thing is, thoses are actually high standards
@@violent_lava_fish4474that’s the bare minimum not cheating isn’t hard to do 😔✌️
@@WitchJellyfishyea but her husband is Zeus so yea
@@WitchJellyfishthat is high for ancient Greece
Her husband is Zeus, the last hero she backed ended up cheating on his wife because she wasn't native to Greece.
Hera’s design is just **chef’s kiss**
The peacocks pulling back the curtain was absolutely genius, and the bit with her spitting out the wine was hilarious. 😂
Love it, great work!
I love that she's like, first god who's presence seems to dominate Athenas , and she's also taller than her. So was Ares, but it's really different! Hera here treats her way less like an equal and more like a kiddo and I think that's pretty fun
Athena is Hera's step-daughter (because zeus is her father but her mom was a mortal lover of his) so it would make sense Hera was a little motherly
@alisond929 Actually her mother was Metis, an elder oceanid, who was Zeus' counsellor and made the plan, where Kronos threw up his remaining kids. Zeus as thanks swallowed her, because she would've born a son that was stronger than him (not cool). Then Athena just kind of sprung from his head.
(I'm so sorry if this comes off as rude or something!!!)
@@NoOne-sb4tc the 'as thanks' part made me audibly laugh thx 😊
@@alisond929I think you mean step- daughter
@@alisond929I think you mean stepdaughter..
Hera: is level 5
Also Hera: Standards for men are below sea level thx to her husband
I think part of the reason Athena’s cheating line had so much impact was because the three traits that she listed before it were also traits that Zeus possesses, thus making the difference stand out more.
Unfortunately a faithful husband was concerned a high standard back then
I think she reconsiders it because Odysseus is better than Zeus (which should be the icon of perfection) in at least 1 trait: faithfulness
It still kinda is- @@FenDweller13
Stg hera get yourself a REAL man. Or In this case god
Dialogue is even better when you realize what Athena's strategy was. Mind of a genius, skilled with words, and kind of funny are all traits Zeus has and would no doubt get Hera thinking about him and all of his escapades. So when Athena stated his redeeming feature, it had more impact.
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Ok I admit I'm not that familiar with Greek mythology but where is Zeus described or depicted as being a genius?
@@Griffin1827it is suggested that he is smart or clever because of how he dealed with the titans and he is a judge and a god of fate so you would think those things are smart since he has to deal out punishment 😂 its debatable
@@Griffin1827 He also absorbed/vored his first love, a nymph and Athena's mother, in order to obtain great wisdom by turning her into his personal Alexa. This is also the reason why in Greek myth Athena was born from Zeus's head.
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Athena: Look I'm holding one of you peacocks hostage now LET HIM GO
Hera: Nah. I can get more
Peacock: Mother, WHY?!
😂😂😂🎉ikr?!
That does make Athena seem childish tho😂
Athena: "Never once has he cheated on his wife"
Hera: "Holy shit"
Also Athena: *crosses fingers behind her back*
there are other ways of persuasion~
But, wait. Did he cheat on Penelope? I know he did in the mythos, but in most depictions of the Odyssey he doesn't since it was with Circe and that doesn't really become relevant until the sequel so it's usually skipped over.@@tc4331
@@tc4331I mean technically she’s right since Odysseus was taken in by the nymph Calypso who held him captive with her powers for years & the Goddess Circe coecered him into sleeping with her to free his men from becoming literal bacon.
@@Kristina-eu6kqhe was literally raped, she used his soldiers against him and manipulated him, he did not cheat his wife 😐
Athena holding up the peacock makes it sound like she's saying "He's pretty skilled with birds"
On Gigi’s tumblr there’s a post that says they misheard the lyric as birds instead of words hence the peacock, still a great animatic tho
I actually hear
We listening than release him 😂
I was so confused when told otherwise
That's what I've heard the first time
I was wondering about it but now I can't unhear it XD
Wait that isn't what she said-??
Athena: "Never once has he cheated on his wife."
Hera: *Looks at Theseus* - *Looks at Jason* - *Looks at goddamn Zeus* "Oh that IS special."
Husband-damned.
FTFY.
I mean, she is the goddess of marriage !
I mean- let's be honest. All the Gods unanimously said "Fuck Jason."
There's a reason they let Medea ride away on literal dragons into the sunset while spiting him to the end.
@@AliceSakihara to be fair to Jason, the original story ended with a happily ever after, and then the whole story with him being an ahole to Medea happened in a sequel tragic play. Like comparing Luke Skywalker to the Sequel Old Luke.
@@flamenami Actually, Medea was writren and performed over a century before the Argonautica, around 431 BC and sometime around the first half of the 3rd century BC respectively.
Medea was written by the Greek Playwright Euripedes who lived around 480-405 BC, Apollonius of Rhodes who was the Author of the Argonautica (or Jason and the Argonauts) wasn't born until some time around 295 BC.
So Medea was the original, and Apollonius is kind of like a published fanfic author who wrote a prequel after the copyright expired and it entered public domain.
I studied Greek plays and history in college and an a Hellenic Polytheist, so I spend a lot of time reading and researching the original plays.
Edit: Also in the original Medea play, it's revealed that Medea only married Jason because he had Hera's favor and the goddess convinced Aphrodite to make her fall in love with him. Jason breaking his vow to Medea was kind of like a double insult to Hera who helped him and is the Goddess of Marriage. So he died sad and alone, crushed by the rotting mast of the ship he once sailed. So yeah, the Gods very much said "fuck you Jason."
Hera is like "convince me I should buy you this toy" and I'm here for it
OMIGOSH YES THAT IS SO THE VIBE
OMG THAT IS LITERALLY HISPANIC MOM ENERGY
Its honestly kinda sweet, given that Athena isn't directly Hera's daughter. She was born from Zeus having a splitting headache. But seeing as how that means she wasn't the product of cheating, Hera probably decided she would gladly be her mother in name if not in blood.
Athena: "Never once has he cheated on his wife"
Hera is definitely still mad at Jason
I mean. Also Zeus.
Jason?
@@redrasegarden A “hero” who was also a huge jerk. Long story. Basically, Hera granted Jason her favor and he went on to succeed in his quest…and then later betrayed his wife and children by trying to marry up. It didn’t end well for him.
@@Initiallyleo yikes. Is this Jason and the argonauts?
@@redrasegarden Yep! To the Argonauts and the yikes.
“Never once has he cheated on his wife.”
Damn Athena knows where to play those cards
its almost like she's the goddess of wisdom or something. (LOL)
@@LillianNunyabizniss Oh my god, she totally should be the goddess of wisdom. why did NO ONE think of that?
Goddess of Wisdom and War
She knows how to strategize
I love Hera's movements, and her choking on her drink! 😂
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*chokes* rEleAsE hIm
I feel like you captured Hera's bitchiness in her design and I love that.
I wouldn't say bitchiness - she definitely grasped that she is the queen of the gods here.
@@brickbreck Look, Hera is Queen of the Gods. She contains multitudes a mortal mind could not fathom.
But one of those multitudes is definitely bitchiness lol
@@fredericmartin7352 Given everything she's gone through, I would say she deserves any fits she has. It's not like she's going to kill Zeus for his transgressions, even if she wanted to. Imagine being forced into a marriage, made to be the queen of the gods and the goddess of marriage, just to have your husband run around and cheat on you. I think she's earned a bit of grace.
@@brickbreck That grace runs out at forcing Heracles to murder his family imo
@@fredericmartin7352 The illegitimate child that is just more outward evidence of her husband's refusal to be faithful to the goddess of marriage. Not only outward evidence but boasting evidence - one well known by the community for his strength and bravery, another feature probably bestowed by Zeus. The gods didn't care about mortals and Hera was not alone in the "being petty" thing on people; she at least had more obvious reasons other than "I just don't like you." She was very good to the women who didn't get her husband's affections.
Lmao, Hera spitting out the wine 🫠
Edit: I'm sorry, but how the fuck and why the fuck does my comment has one thousand likes? Seriously, that's so random 💀
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1.7 thousand likes, for a simple phrase.I commend the.(also your point is valid)
And then she’s hunched over when she turns and says “Release him.” 😂 she doesn’t even pull herself up to full height.!
I like how, rather than going against to as why Odysseus should still suffer like how Aphrodite and Ares. She asks **why** he should be let go. She’s not saying anything bad to Odysseus in the song, rather, she just wants to know what makes Odysseus different. It’s kinda nice
It makes sense too since while Aphrodite and Ares were on the Trojan side of the war, Hera was on the Greek side.
Agreed, and she didn’t attack Athena for wanting Odysseus to be dressed either: she respected her opinion enough to let her attempt to persuade her
HOLY MOLY THIS WAS ✨ G O R G E U S ✨
First off, I LOVED Hera’s design! The veil made her look like a bride which is extremely fitting since she’s the goddess of marriage. The the peacocks 🦚 are perfect! Second, I love how young Athena looks in comparison to Hera! Hera physically looks like she’s in her 40s or 50s and Athen looks like she’s in her late teens to early 20s. During 0:10, it also make Hera look motherly as if she’s lecturing Athena on something. Not to mention, Hera kind of seems extremely chill about the entire situation. She gives me the vibe of : “that’s nice, dear.” It makes seem more like she’s treating it as a game(which it is) and not seriously. It actually makes it funnier when she spits out the wine she’s drinking.
I believe the first generation of the olympians are depicted older. Hera looks as old as Zeus and Poseidon
You can almost hear her counting how many times she's heard each of those things:
"he's got the mind of a genius!"
"57"
"he's pretty skilled within words!"
"149"
"he's kinda funny."
"600"
"never once has he cheated on his wife."
"...zero."
Your design of Hera is amazing! She looks so great and like such a queen!
The peacocks pulling back the curtain are awesome little detail and Athena holding up one of them is great too!
Hearing this on repeat, you kinda start thinking... Hera is not talking about Odysseus' mistakes and wrongdoings like the other gods were. She's asking why he deserves to be freed. Athena, of course, starts with his genius intellect, but that doesn't land. A silver tongue? A sense of humor? None of those things make you good. Pleasant, perhaps. But not reasons why Odysseus should prevail. Saying he's faithful however? Oh, that is a something worth saving.
Also, Hera's husband, Zeus, can be described with every one of those traits except “Never cheated on his wife,” so all of those traits were not convincing enough for Hera to free Odysseus because, like… Her husband has those traits, and he is still a cheating ass, but when she's told that Odysseus never cheated on his wife, she sees Odys loyalty, and it is enough to convince her that Odysseus deserves to be released.
(We are not talking about what happened in the original Odyssey when Odysseus stayed on Calypso's Island or when he actually did it with Circe...)
@@rafaelaguirre8091he is the god of law
@@rafaelaguirre8091 I mean he kinda has to be to be the king of the gods and he did absorb Metis for all that knowledge so he is technically a genius
@@rafaelaguirre8091 because Greek mythology isn’t a book series, it’s what people actually believed. Of course Zeus is the father of half of Ancient Greek heroes, every city wanted a founder king descended from the king of gods.
My idea was that on "so many heroes" all the statues of greek heroes (Perseus, Daedalus, etc...) would appear and theoughout the animatic hera would be cleaning them up / silly stuff😂
In another animatic when she says that she walks past through statues of Heracles and Perseus
As an interesting fact, Athena helped 3 heroes in one way or another for sure. (And even more, it seems, but my memory fails me)
She gave Pereseus a helmet of invisibility and convinced Hera that Hercules should be raised in her temple.And moreover, Hercules was so friendly with her that he asked Athena to accompany him on his last journey when he was dying in the fire.And of course the Trojan Horse
So I perceive this moment as a jab at Athena, saying, “You’ve already helped so many heroes, haven’t you?”
Just wanted to note, Hercules is the roman version. The greek version is Heracles.
Fantastic animatic and designs, Hera spitting out the wine was definitely a highlight.
Also technically Athena is right, in the Odyssey Odysseus is forced to sleep with Circe to save his men (basically you can't really consent if you're threatened into it), and Odysseus didn't (at least willingly) cheat on his beloved wife. So Athena technically never lies to Hera.
EDIT: ik Jay changed TAOW so Ody didn't sleep with Circe, which only proves my point that Ody didn't cheat on his wife. Also btw in the Odyssey Ody was Calypso's prisoner so any s*xual act is also under coercion and dubious consent (cause Calypso is also powerful and holding his life in her hand), idk how Jay will change the Calypso storyline but no matter what it still can't be considered consensual BECAUSE LIKE WITH CIRCE THERE WAS A MAJOR POWER IMBALANCE AND ODY WAS OFFERED VERY LITTLE CHOICE. I have several replies in the reply section please read them all if you're going to argue.
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In the Odyssey, he is very reluctant to sleep with Circe. Hermes has to remind him that by doing this, he gets back to Penelope. It can be argued that Calypso raped him. So he truly was loyal to Penelope.
@@lynncanigula8563 so true! And even when he was offered immortality by Calypso he still chose Penelope. It's clear from the Odyssey that he really loves and misses Penelope, he wants to return to her more than anything, and so Penelope (and Telemachus) can be argued to be his main driving force in the entire Epic. If it was any other circumstance he likely would never have cheated.
Also gotta admit not very often does Greek mythology have husbands who genuinely love and value their wife over power.
Hope this made sense
Poor him
In the original Odyssey, Odysseus does willingly sleep with Calypso. However, in ancient Greece, when a man sleeps with a woman without the intention of marrying her then that was not considered cheating. So technically yes, Odysseus never cheated by ancient Greek standards. But if a woman were to do that in ancient Greece, it WOULD be considered cheating. Which is why Penelope never sleeps with any of the suitors.
I love the fact that you gave bigger hips to Hera since that is supposed to make child birth easier, and since she is said to be the protector of childbirth. Accidental or not, it is a really good detail!
It is worth noting that Odysseus is at the tail end of the mythological heroes. The Argonauts were about 1 generation away from his.
So Hera has seen and helped the best of the best in Greek heroes. So it makes sense why she isn’t impressed with him at first
But seeing that he’s stayed loyal to his family for 20 years IS. And, as the Goddess of family and marriage she respects that a lot more.
well in the musical, in the actual myth he did cheat on her and also had tons of sx sIaves
Yeah sadly in the myth he boinked both Circe and Calypso because the greeks were not super concerned about men cheating rather it was women who needed to stay faithful. I prefer this update to the myth ngl. It does modernize it and bring a nice twist to Circe. Idk what theyll do with Calypso but I assume itll be just as good.
@@forgetaboutme5414He kind of had no choice in either scenario with Circe or Calypso. They had more power. One was a witch who could kill his men. And the other was a goddess. Power imbalances and all that jazz
@@PhoenixMerlyn69 im glad they left it out ngl. Its not fun for anyone.
@@forgetaboutme5414 Calypso should not count 😭 Girl took advantage of a man at rock bottom missing home while stranded on an island 😭😭
I love the detail of Hera being a bit taller than Athena to show she’s older and convince others (and herself) that she’s superior. Love her design
That spit take! So excited to see more of your EPIC animatics! I love everyone's designs and the expressions you give them all!
I miss this voice for hera than the new one don’t get me wrong the person who voices her know is good but I still favor this one.
they cant use this one because its the voice of Athena in a much lower tone
0:16 kinda disappointed this high note in 'that' isn't in the actual album it made me addicted to this song
true, it's so good
Not going to lie, I prefer this Hera over the one they went with. Just sounds more like what I imagine the queen of the gods to sound like.
because this was Athena's voice actor doing it.
The smug little look Athena has when she says hes never cheated, i love it
I love how Hera looks like a bride
Is she the goddess of marriage?
@@ΣοφοκληςΒλαχόπουλος-ι9ν exactly lol
@@ΣοφοκληςΒλαχόπουλος-ι9ν yup and it’s so fitting and on brand for Hera to look like a bride since she is the goddess of marriage
I'm living for that introduction to Hera! You convinced a Groozy Hera is possible- Like a sassy no nonsense mother who ruled the dance floors in the 70s and still kills it on the dancefloor at family weddings.
Honestly i like this veraion better than the offical
ikr this voice just suits hera so much better, especially in the line "you can do better that that"
I just imagine her saying “release him” while looking Zeus dead in the eye.
Athena-Never once has he cheated on his wife.
Hera-THATS POSSIBLE???
0:05 hera's walk is so nice
I love how smug Athena looks when she pulls out "Never once has he cheated on his wife". You just know that it is this point she knows will convince Hera to let him go, and she planned to use it from the very beginning. Everything before that is only token arguments before slam dunking the true point. In true Athena form she's playing on how Hera sees her, a kind of young and awkward goddess who is trying to playfully save a mortal, by mentioning really silly things like "He's kinda funny" to bait her in. Then bam! comes the true point, which with the really obvious hint at Zeus infidelity would probably make Hera loose it normally. If it was not delivered by what seems to be a really young awkward godess trying to playfully save a favoured mortal in what is supposed to be a "game". Truly a show of Athenas role of godess of wisdom and the "manipulation" Aries mentiones in their earlier showdown
*lose* typos are hell
this Hera design is literally divine, I refuse to imagine any other from this point on
I love the roughness is this heras voice and wish this was actually in the song
This is amazing! Hera spitting up the wine. Athena holding up the peacock in her attempts to convince Hera. Awesome job! 👏🏻🤩
The part that really hits me is the semi-taunting “You can do better than that.” Hera is hearing Athena out, even though she likely doesn’t care and even hates Odysseus in some Roman myths. She hears the qualities that Athena is listing, and is likely in her mind associating them with other heroes who she views with disdain. It’s the fact that Odysseus never willingly cheats on Penelope that convinces Hera, the goddess of marriage, to let him go because that is shocking to her. Her own chosen hero Jason even cheats on his wife to try and get a more luxurious lifestyle. Athena’s chosen hero has succeeded where Hera’s failed in being faithful to his wife, and that’s genuinely impressive to Hera. It’s also nice how Hera seems to respect Athena somewhat, even calling her “baby” seemingly as an affectionate nickname for her stepdaughter, because a lot of people seem to not know that Hera is Zeus’ second wife after absorbing his first.
Wait why would Hera hate Odysseus? He’s like, one of the few Greek heroes she literally has no reason to.
Hera isn't Zeus's second wife after Metis in any texts though. In the one version where Metis is the first, Hera is the seventh consort (even Leto comes before her), but even then Athena is born during Zeus and Hera's marriage and it angers Hera. And there are also several versions in which Zeus sleeps with Metis when he is already married to Hera, of course.
The peacocks pulling apart the curtain.
The shine on her crown.
Her swagger as she approaches Athena (my favourite part)
The cut to the peacocks just staring.
I love all of these shots, they're so lovely, they add so much personality to her that some animatics sometimes lack. They're all great in their own way, but this one is just the icing on the cake.
Since Thunder Saga dropped and we learned that God Games' level start instrument is Zeus' motif it also means that he's the one suplying the music, which means the moment Athena checkmates Hera and the music comes to a COMPLETE HALT it's that ZEUS stopped playing and probably got a nasty look from Hera before the "release him.".
RRGAGGEGR I LOVE THE NEW GOD GAMES BUT THIS HERA VOICE WILL ALWAYS SCRITCH MY BRAIN PERFECTLY.
I hate how not cheating is impressive
At the same time, Hera's reaction is funny
Remember, however, that we are talking about a goddess whose husband is responsible for some gods who weren't her children, plus some mortal heroes and kings, and, as some point out, her chosen one, Jason, was not faithful either.
@tomasrolter6729 True. I think he may be the only loyal hero too
Odysseus: *is faithful to wife*
Hera: ohmaigod *visibly flustered* DO YOU WANT A JOB?! I NEVER GET SOMEONE GOOD
Hera learning loyal and loving spouses exist: 👁👄👁
Honestly I think the “He’s kinda funny” line deserves more credit. Because this means that throughout the years, despite any differences the two have had, Athena’s always been there to willingly listen to Odysseus’s jokes. And yeah, that’s a small thing, but in a day and age such as this when you expect the gods to be all serious and whatnot, it matters. That’s just a small detail I wanted to highlight.
Also the art is great and I adore Hera’s design-
One other thing I wanna mention which I thought deserved its own reply: Hera isn’t very skinny. She has a relatively plump figure, being big and tall and clearly spoilt. She isn’t fat, not at all, but compared to Athena, Aphrodite, and Circe, her figure is much bigger. It really sells the whole “Greek Queen of All Gods” type of vibe. Because since she’s literally the queen, she has access to all these riches and luxuries that most of the gods beneath her don’t have. She’s able to relax and waste time more often than the others, thus she has a bit more weight to her. This actually makes her seem more powerful and threatening, and also more like a strict mother in Athena’s case. (Granted, I don’t know much yet about the history of the Greek Gods so idk how many children Hera and Zeus actually had but it must’ve been a lot lol)
@@ConceptOfCreat10n Haephestus, Ares, Hebe and Ilythia
POV your here after wisdom saga dropped
I love how him not cheating on his wife was enough to convince her.
I feel like first Athena was talking about things that impressed her then realised that her goddess of marriage isn’t going to be impressed by knowledge she’s going to be impressed by loyalty
I love how you made the peacock a defined trade of her since it IS her sacred animal after all that shows that you know about the Greek mythology and not just animating but knowing about that character!
HERA!! Your design for her is godly omgg, the peacocks at the start were so clever and I love the way you depict her movements!
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0:16 Athena holding up the peacock while trying to convince Hera is so cute!
of all the Heras I've seen, this one is definitely the Heraest
Hera: Fucking save that Diamond.
Yoooo, her strut at so many heroes! I love the swagger of it and how smooth the animation was there! Also love the character design, this is the queen of the Gods and her traits are all very present in how she looks and carries herself.
0:08 0:10 I think it is interesting that while Athena is tall compared to a human, she is tall because she is built extremely tall and slender but is otherwise human sized. Normal sized head, hands, etc. Whereas Hera is not built like a unusually tall woman, she is simply larger in every way.
I wish this was the one that was in the live stream😔
i like how hera is by far the most powerful god so far and she shows it, dramatic entrance, orchestral vocals and all. but she probably puts up the least resistance just because odysseus is that loyal to his wife
"Never once has he cheated on his wife"
Hera: See this is why I don't like you
I love the way she carries herself. Truly a queen and she knows it. And the costume design is *chef kiss*
Oh wow, the peacock design really shows on her!
I love the argument between daughter and stepmom to get the thing she wants 🤣
i love the detail of Hera's speech being slurred slightly when she says "release him" right after she spit her drink. such a small detail but so great to see
Now I wont be able to unhear "He's pretty skilled with birds" XD
"Never once has he cheated on his wife" HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
why dose it feel like you captured a version of athena and hera being like mother and daughter like to eachother lol
Technically, they are step-mother and step daughter.
Athena's mother Metis was Zeus's wife before Hera. So yeah.
@@terra4822Would make sense why hera would have a better relationship with her then say Apollo or Artemis.
@@Shauntheduke. In the one and only account where Zeus takes Metis as a consort before Hera (Hesiod's Theogony), he also takes Leto as a consort before her. And while Apollo and Artemis are born before Zeus marries Hera in this source, Athena is actually born after.
All: My favorite god Athena/Artemis/Apollo
Me: Guys, have you seen Hera?! I'm going to be her priestess
best voice
Hera and zues are gonna have a long fight after this
Actually in mythology he cheated on his wife with Circe and also with someone else 😬
Not willingly. He was pretty much raped.
@@terra4822 Only when it comes to Calypso, with Circe he stayed with her willingly. She let him go as soon as he said he wanted to leave, she never forced him to do anything.
In Greek myths, he cheated on Penelope with both Circe and Calypso. He did so willingly with Circe, but he was forced into it by Calypso. Also I believe this song takes place before he goes to Calypso's island.
In Greek myths, he cheated on Penelope with both Circe and Calypso. He did so willingly with Circe, but he was forced into it by Calypso. Also I believe this song takes place before he goes to Calypso's island. His relationship with Circe isn't canon to Epic the Musical.
This Hera design is just so *chef’s kiss* PERFECT. The height, the sharp features, the extravagant gown and jewellery, the lightning bolt earring and it just conveys all her character SO well!
Fun fact: Hera is the most powerful of the Olympian gods.
For one, she is genuinely powerful, having easily overpowered other gods and being one of the original children of Chronos.
But for another, Zeus will always try to do as Hera wants, while Hera will NOT have her mind changed. If Hera wants something and Zeus does not, then the only thing Zeus can do is try to trick her. And it doesn't always work. If there is something that Hera wants and Zeus does not, then it's gonna happen, because he will relent. She gets what she wants, eventually. So Hera is the best ally you can have among the gods.
This. Is. So. Fucking. Perfect. The movement, the expressions, I- bye. I can't even express myself
I've been binge watching Epic animatics lately. Thanks for contributing to that >:) . Hera's design is amazing!
I don't know how many have noticed this, but Athena's face quite resembles one of an owl, her atribute and symbol. Quite a nice detail!
the peacocks opening the curtain for hera is so cute they’re like “here comes the QUEEN”
more like a murderous phsyco, but yeah
@@thecomentingcat6280 haha yeah - she’s there mother tho they gotta respect
I love how Hera just choked on her wine, then looked at Athena in defeat like ‘you motherfucker….release him,
I adore how Hera got the feeling of a step mother, considering Atherna is in some myths the daugther of Zeus first wife. The dynamic is diffrent from if she spoke to any of Zeus bastards.
can i say i love love hera's design i know alot of people see the queen of the gods godess of women, marriage, and childbirth, as a skinny sexy sort of thing but i love lvoe that she has curves and mroe volume, espcally ebign durign that time having more rotund or full figure was considered beautiful.
i really lvoe what you did and i keep replying the part where hera enters jsut to look hwo beautiful ehr design is
Missed opportunity to rhyme "He's kindof funny? Never once has he cheated on his honey!"
"He's pretty skilled with...BIRDS!"
I love Athena's smirk when mentioning Odysseus never cheated on his wife, since she knew it'll get Hera to listen. (if my very rustic Greek memory didn't fail me yet-Hera is a goddess of marriage? Or something related to that??)
I love her choking on her drink when hearing that the dude never cheateed
I can already tell shes giving the COLDEST stare straight at zeus at the end of that
I'm addicted to watching this. The animation is so smooth and I love how you set the stage with the peacocks. I'd kill to watch your full-length animated version of this musical.
Odysseus and Circe's son Telegonus standing in the corner like 🧍♀️
I love how sassy Hera is in this... "Hey baby
Hera in most media: Cold looking woman consumed by hate and revenge
Hera in Epic: WINE AUNT/MOM SUPREME
Love the voice they gave Hera
I like to think that is the song where Athena's silliness is starting to come out more, when she started listing all the good quality Odysseus has that can convince Hera to let him go, especially at the end when she says 'he's kinda funny' and by the way, I love your art😍
0:18 I love Athena's pose/expression when she says he's kinda funny. She's like, eh, might as well give it a shot.
OMG I love this! Hera's design and gestures are great! Also, the whole "He's pretty skilled with birds." instead of "words" thingy...! XD
Kinda late to the party but I love that the most convincing reason for Hera is that Odysseus is faithful to Penelope. Not only because of Zeus’ infamous faithfulness to Hera (or lack thereof), but because she is the Greek goddess of marriage and women. She’s heard all the other qualities before- but being a good husband? Checks out.
Your Hera design is absolutely flawless! I love how she looks like an older woman!
I like the fact that hera kinda looks like a peacock
Hera's just having fun with it. She has nothing against Ody, lines like "you can do better than that" show that for her it's just another silly, insignificant game
Everyone commented about Hera's design already, but I love her peacock headpiece! Also, she has lighting earring, is it a gift from zeus?
never have i clicked at a notification this fast. incredible job as always! love the ending so much