Why DRS is F1's best option... for now - Chain Bear explains
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Chain Bear is back! And he's kicking off his Autosport videos for 2019 with his defence of DRS, which has come in for plenty of criticism due to its increased power this year, and because of the third DRS zone that appears to be an unpopular addition at this weekend's Bahrain Grand Prix. Here we explain why F1 doesn't really have any other options available to fix the 'dirty air' problem until its next major rules overhaul, which we should see in 2021. Are you prepared to tolerate DRS until then, or should F1 just get rid of it?
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Chainbear is one of the bigger reasons I started to follow the sport last season. His videos made everything so much more approachable and understandable. Top notch quality guy!
Although the guy above me is a bit of a douche, he isn't quite wrong. These concepts will be discussed during broadcasts from time to time. Which means you might want to give other motorsport a try - F1 is pretty much the worst racing in the world and has been for the better part of two decades with just dim hope of ever getting resolved.
To the OPs point, the videos make the sport more approachable to casual fans like myself that don't watch broadcasts very often but still want a understanding of what's going on.
They say "get rid of DRS" because they only watch Highlights of F1 races before DRS. "Oh look at that overtake of Mika Hakkinen on Schumacher at SPA"... Yeah, but most of the time it was more like Alonso and Schumacher at San Marino 2005.
Been watching since the late 80s I would rather boring races than drs. It's not hard to sort the aero out, they need to get on and do it. When the new rules come in in a few years it's still not going to be enough.
By 2005 it already sucked. It was last good in the end of the nineties.
(It might have been good for a few years more, but it's not possible to tell because there was so much gap between the front teams.)
@@GlaucusBlue "It's not hard to sort the aero out". You realize they have been trying to do this for 20 years? I remember watching a race in 1999 where they already discussed how cars were hard to follow.
@@C3lloman that's the thing they haven't really been trying as teams keep blocking it or threatening to walk. They just need to do it and if some teams leave so be it. They have lost so many fans due to this, their current approach is more damaging.
@@GlaucusBlue The issue is that we want close racing but also fast cars and those two just doesn't mix that well
I hope everyone who's calling for DRS to be scrapped gets a chance to see this very well made case for DRS in F1 (as it currently stands).
I saw it and it seems like the same old lame excuses to me.
@@psychohist the problem is dirty air but I think we won't have drs in 2022 thanks to the reduction of that dirty air
F1 just released a statement today that said that the new regulations for 2021 cut down dirty air to 5% to what it is now. If that's true, it would be amazing.
yes that would be good but didnt u see the race. the cars could follow and stay close. The new front wing is working
Yeah from 50% to 5% !!! It will be insane. (Also rumoured that Ferrari will leave F1 for F-e since they lose their 40 or 60 million boost in 2021/22.)
@@Productive_Chad There's only been two races on it. There needs to be at least 2 more races with the 2019 cars to draw a good analysis of what's happening.
@@TestarossaF110 Ferrari leaving F1? Now that's 3 words I'd never thought I hear.
@@TomBoi pretty sure that is the April fools joke a lot of F1 people are running with would funny tho if it wasnt a joke....
I personally think we should be moving ground effect cars and creating downforce from the underneath of the car as it doesn't create as much dirty air
I used to think the same but apparently about 90% of the current downforce is from ground effects, it's already here. Marc Priestly did a good job of addressing exactly this proposal that was very insightful, see if you can track it down.
Wasn’t that the reason for big crashes in the past? When cars going over bumps would suddenly lose all the downforce and went flying off the track?
I still have no idea what drs is or how it works.
That's interesting.
Drag reduction system. They introduced in 2011 I think, idea was to encourage overtaking but this system helps for overtaking to be a bit safer and not make drivers feel they need to try unsafe manoeuvres to take risks to get ahead that nowadays would break rules. DRS sections are normally on straight flat out sections of a track and if you are within a second of a car ahead of you, you are permitted to active DRS which raises something at the rear to allow air to travel through more efficiently gaining up to 10mph. I’m no expert just have tried to research it a bit
@@lmk3182 yea i know, i figuered it out, just from sheer exposure to f1. It is really conufusing for new players though
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@@liveinrsa5930 yw
Wooo another video by Chain Bear!! Was wondering when we would see another one! Good to hear your voice again and very much looking forward to your informative videos as we move through the season.
Autosport: posts a video to explain DRS without actually explaining what DRS is.
Me, a newbie: the f is going on??
He's not explaining drs he's saying why it's good. But, drs and kers is technology that takes kinetic energy from you braking and a electrical motor turns it into electricity. Then it is stored in batteries for later use and by the push of a button drivers can ad 80 watts of power to their engine.
@@kennethmartin4605 I thought DRS was only related air. Is this "kers" a true thing in F1 ?
I assume that 6 months after posting this, you have already figured out what it actually is. In case you haven't, I'll explain it anyway. So the rear wing creates drag, that's just physics. If you want downforce from a wing, you have to accept that it will create some drag. The more downforce you want, the more drag you get, and both of that is (partly) dependent on the angle of the wing. The higher the angle of the wing, the more of both you get, and the inverse is true as well, which is what's important. You need downforce to go fast through corners, but it's really not that important on the straights, which is where the drag created is hindering the car's top speed. DRS, Drag Reduction System, literally moves the rear wing into a flatter position, reducing drag. You can use it if you're a certain distance behind another driver and in a DRS zone, mostly the long straights of a track. The purpose of this system is explained in the Video.
@@namenamename390 Indeed I figured it out in the end. Thanks for the clear explanation mate, might help someone else 👌
I think that the DRS nah-sayers are going to have a hard time refuting how awesome Bahrain just was. I'm a fan of DRS, have been since conception and it added a lot of excitement to the race. You could really see how the bigger rear wings are working and working great. I was also happily surprised with how close everyone was running to each other. I think F1 is headed in the right direction.
the last race at Singapore of all places was really great for overtaking too (albeit mainly in the midfield)
i’m still confused. if the point of drs is to give the chasing car a bigger advantage to cover for the disadvantage of the dirty air it went through, can’t the car in front use drs to get away from the chasing car? or is drs only for cars that are behind?
@@radib6549 drs, as it stands right now, is only availble to the chasing car if the chasing car is within 1 second of the being-chased car at the detection point
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DRS only in the beginning of the straight would be way less effective as drag increases exponentially with speed. The cars can barely overtake as is, if you diminish the advantage of DRS we'll be going backwards.
The counter to this would be to lengthen the DRS use in these closer DRS zones I suppose
Or make DRS a bigger thing by giving a bigger advantage or make more aerodynamic car instead of pushing for grip, dynamics system would be a solution in that case.
I genuinely believe that adding ground effect, or under body aerodynamics, along with the reduction of the crazy body work we see now could possibly improve racing. Often times you have to look back at the lower categories to see awesome racing, but most of the lower categories are spec races.
Well there you go. Ground effect confirmed for 2021
I thought they got rid of ground effect because they thought it was unsafe?
(Look up "porpoising")
Why don't we get rid of DRS at selected races, on tracks where overtaking is traditionally easier, like China, Spa , Monza etc.. It might be interesting to see if drivers can still do it.
Everytime I see one of those things opening... a part of my soul goes straightly into it
So why not move back to the KERS style push to pass methods? There would seem to be more opportunities to use it (so a lot more strategy involved depending on team setup and balance).
But his whole point was they're not trying to make it "push to pass", ideally you'd balance it so the time made up by DRS was exactly equal to the time lost by the reduced downforce from running behind another car. If anything it's more "push to not loose lap time".
Of course it's impossible to balance this for every combination of cars and track conditions but you get the idea.
Plus there are other factors like reduced cooling and increased tire wear that you also suffer from in dirty air that might be part of the equation in some way.
@@sergarlantyrell7847 true, but a simple change to the rules or implementation could only allow the boost when you are within that time margin trailing a competitor. It could even be variable, giving competitors in the midfield a certain amount of additional power while front runners get less as their climb the ladder.
Covered in the video: There's not actually much more variability and strategy, one teams calculate optimum strategy. Chances are, they'll all share similar optimum strategies.
DRS maybe the best option right now, but I realise the main problem is the PU of the car. From the past, what makes different between drivers is how they control the gear, rpm for a better exit from a corner. Since it takes more time to accelerate at low rpm, bad exit must ruin pace a lot. But as we have battery + turbo now, the different at accelerate is much less. It may be technical for drivers to manage the battery and PU output but the hybrid engine don't help in terms of pure racing.
Do what GP3 did last year and set a limit to how many times per race it can be used. then it's the element of use it to overtake a much slower car early on or save it in case you're battling a top runner.
I love the idea of putting DRS zones at the start of straights. Would improve racing much more imo
eplo imic depends, if it was too short and at the beginning, it wouldn’t provide enough of a benefit, as drag squares with speed
i would simply reduce the size of the rear wing to lower the strength of the drs and add more drs zones on shorter straights. that way drs would be more of a following tool and not a push to pass button
His explanation of why DRS is in place is going above my head, the dirty air problem was always there as long as there was racing. Back then drivers really had to work hard to overtake and it was almost like an art and beautiful to watch now its really boring to be honest.
Agree! Ditching DRS now would lead to some seriously boring racing.
no it wouldn't
no it wouldn't; overtaking has never been the only factor of excitement; in fact it's a tiny factor. the inability to overtake a slower car/driver is actually just as gripping, it lasts longer, it makes for better narrative, it makes for better television. the single largest factor of excitement in motorsports is bad luck, the fact that the driver can do everything right and still lose is the most exciting thing about motorsport. in F1 there are things that generate a lot more interest than overtaking, for example pit stop strategies. DRS misses the point. No one watches a race expecting overtaking at every lap, and a constantly changing P1. And no one cries a tear for a racing driver facing adversity from dirty air; we love to see shitty conditions facing drivers, like, we love it when it rains in the middle of a race! Let's tarp the race track. F1 without DRS would be a boring first person POV video game, but not a boring televised race.
@@johnnysecular Have you forgotten Abu Dhabi 2019????
@@aboredperson4202 Abu Dhabi 2019 was a pretty exciting race mainly because of the overtakes. But that's not my point, my point is that the lack of overtaking is not inherently boring.
Monaco 2003 Grand Prix, there were zero overtakes in the whole race, zero. Yet it was an exciting race, the winner of the race was not the pole position winner, and the race results were very different than the qualifying. In Monaco 2003, the fastest lap during the race was faster than the fastest qualifier lap; is that not exciting? I'm not anti-overtaking, i'm just stating the obvious: that overtaking is not the only exciting thing in motorsport, and that a race without overtaking is not always boring.
Yes I will accept that overtaking isn't the only source of excitement in a race(Mercedes strategy in Hungary 2019), but nowadays teams can rarely mix it up with the strategy because of the importance of track position which has been caused by the inability to follow another car for a long time. So the best option we have for NOW is just to accept that overtaking(and Rain) is the main source of drama and excitement in most races.
Nailed it. I think it's been pretty clear from day one that DRS has been a band-aid, but an effective band-aid that is fit for purpose. We all want to see the underlying issue sorted out, at which point, I would like DRS to be accessible in predefined zones for all drivers without need for any "detection" (it's just cheap and fuel-efficient laptime to drop drag for the straights that you need to generate downforce in the corners. You could even automate it by GPS or transponder or something.)
I don't have any great schemes to fix the underlying issue, but fully support Brawn and the FIA in their goals to develop a fundamentally less disruptive rules package for 2021 re: following cars losing downforce, and am encouraged by his recent "95%" comments, though I expect F1 teams to ruin that at least somewhat in pursuit of performance.
Why not give all drivers DRS during DRS zones, but if the car behind in closet than 1 sec, then the car Infront cannot use DRS. this may lead to drivers being able to pressure drivers Infront much more
Constantly having to activate and deactivate is pointless, and doing this would be the same as it is now, just the other way around (instead of no one getting DRS unless behind, everyone gets it apart from someone one sec ahead).
The best explanation of DRS .... Guess no one can explain it much better than this....🤘🏽😎 ... Love ❤️ from India
With the 2021 spec, it looks like F1 is making a genuine effort to fix the dirty air issue with a modified ground effect chassis without resorting to skirts.
You explained everything very well, other than one thing; what DRS literally stands for. Before you jump all over me, Im new to F1, and just figuring things out. I can't exactly go talking about anything in the video like i learned anything, when i can't explain the acronym. Yes, its not hard to surmise what it stands for, but assumptions are... well.. you know what they are...
DRS means drivers have to work harder to keep a following car out of the 1sec zone, so I think DRS is fair.
best would be to allow RDS only the last 10 laps, so that the drivers get in best mood and know exactly which songs they are listening in the radio while races.
What about going back to ground effect aero? Cars had no problem at all following with ground effect. If I remember correctly, ground effect was banned because car speed was out pacing acceptable safety limits. Now we have carbon fiber tubs and halos and wicked high tech helmets. Can we have our ground effect back?
What about an inverse DRS. Increase the downforce in corners when you are one or two seconds behind an other car, especially in corners before a long straight.
I like the idea, I actually submitted something similar to force India a few years ago. However I like Ross brawns direction. If they get it right it'll make for great racing
i disagree because (1) overtaking is not the only exciting thing in formula 1, (2) overtaking is not the main reason we watch motorsports, (3) overtaking is mistakenly overrated. Every single year since the dawn of time, TV commentators remind us at the beginning of the Monaco GP of just how hard it is to overtake and how important pole position is, but even though that's true how often did the pole leader win the race? In fact in Monaco, which is notoriously bad for overtaking, is less likely than average for the driver who starts first, to finish first. Again, let's use Monaco as an example, I was far too young to watch on live TV the 1992 race and the unbelievable tension at the end of the race between Mansell and Senna. But I have watched it as an adult, knowing full well the outcome. And it was still gripping. The impossibility of overtaking made the 1992 race legendary, not the other way around. You don't make overtaking easy in order to make the race exciting, it's the opposite. When the spectator is reminded over and over of how impossible it is to overtake, that's when we get on the edge of our seat watching a chase, it's the impossibility that makes it exciting. The 1992 Monaco GP was unfair to Mansell, that's exactly why we love sports, you can do everything correct and still lose. In sports in general and F1 in particular, the impossibility of things is a major factor in the appeal; the cornering speeds are unbelievable, the margins are infinitely small, for god's thousandths of a second are measured; in formula 1 thirteen seconds is an eternity. This is not a rational sport and the rules should not aim to rationalize the races. I was old enough to watch the races of 1999 onwards, overtaking was such a tiny factor in why we watched the races and more importantly in why we debated and speculated for 10 days between races. There's the politics, the conspiracies, the strategies, the mechanics, the rivalries, the off-the-track animosity.
DRS is a mistake not because of how and whether it achieves its goal. DRS is a mistake because it misses the point of spectator sports. Spectator sports is built on narrative not on technicalities. Unfair luck is much much more exciting than level playing field. No one would've cared about Michael Schumacher, and Michael Jordan's stats if in the first place there wasn't a narrative around their personalities to garner attention. The more calculated rules you introduce to iron out luck or disadvantage the less interested the normal spectator becomes. I'm a normal spectator, DRS goes right over my head, watch Letterman's interview with Vettel. DRS is like a bad joke, if you have to explain it in order for people to understand its meaning; therefore it's by definition not a good joke.
Why not restructure the regulations to favor more floor design rather than wing design? Things like ventury tunnels, solid front wings, bigger diffusers, and covered tires will help with drag reduction while providing a lot of downforce. If balance is still needed than add in smaller wings to aid in balance but the floor can be sculpted to do this anyway.
There is a much simpler way to eliminate DRS, but F1 introduced the change years ago because the cars were getting so fast. They introduced the stepped-plane floor, banning flat bottom floors with venturis (ie. aero ground effects). Flat bottom floors with venturi tunnels created WAY more downforce by "sucking" the car down the the ground from underneath as opposed the the current overbody aero used the push the cars down from above. They were so efficient with underbody aero back in the day that cars were cornering faster than some tracks were designed hence the ban. But flat bottom floors are not affected nearly as much by dirty air and with todays technology I think it's time for a return, and it would definitely eliminate the need for DRS.
I think they're looking at that but they have to sort out the dangers ground effect bring. If the car bottoms out all the downforce stalls off and you get a massive crash
@@magicalrobster Yeah that's fair but that's why I said with today's technology and better understanding of aero in general I think we can do this safely. I don't think the cars would bottom out anymore with the rake they run now. If you see the part that sparks (the "T" portion of the step plane), it's just the very leading edge. If the entire bottom were flat and extended it would just be the leading edge of the flat floor that would hit the ground, the rear of the floor would be elevated if they kept the rake design. Either way, minimal dirty air affect and would eliminate the need for DRS.
@@RageousMode you're probably right, downforce are much higher now and to really get good groud effect you need to deal the sides of the floor with a skirt. That could be a weak point on the car. But formula e use a massive diffuser so that might be an idea
@@RageousMode the 3rd version of the f1 2021 cars looked like they had a superb idea of a simpler but ground effect Trey on the front wing. What do you think of that?
What about Drag Increase System for the corner wherein the front wing could be moved to increase when chasing in the corners, but only when following, like drs but in the corners....
Dirty air also affects the rear wing and diffuser so increasing the downforce on the front wing will cause imbalance of downforce leading to unstable rear ends
I prefer PTP in indy as it also allows the leading car to fight back with their own push to pass. But it also helps in passing through corners.
Excellent video! I never had a problem with DRS as you get what you get with F1 aerodynamics. People who hate DRS really don't care to understand the science behind F1 aerodynamics. If you did, then you'd understand you almost have to have something like this. If you like the concept of super high down force, cool looking race cars and the highest sophisticated automotive aerodynamics then just know there had to be an advantage given to the following car as opposed to the leading car..... Kinda like if you want the smaller F1 teams to do be more competitive then the FIA needs to give them an advantage such as more testing time but thats another topic!
Hmm idk why you wouldn't want DRS it makes for good racing. I guess if you're the best on that day and you lose because of that, it sucks but, it makes it fun to see battles.
A solution could be a driver can use Drs if their outside a certain distance.
If a driver is MORE then 1 sec away from the driver in front they can activate drs.
Every car except for the leader would then get an automatic advantage of three straights of DRS unless they are within one sec. How does that make sense?
they could have done ground effect or diffuser drs to make cars easier to follow
Agree with Chainbear on every single thing here. Great video!👍
Get rid of topside aero (no wings) and let them develop the bottom.
agreed...just get rid of the wings. there was a time when there were no wings in F1. it would be very interesting to see how the crafty and ingenious engineers would cope with that.
Stuart could you do one of your fantasic videos comparing the pro's & con's of 'overbody' v 'ground effect' aerodynamics please.
Can there be a system opposite to DRS where a section of the diffusor opens in the corners allowing more air to pass through the diffusor increasing downforce and compensating for the lost downforce the following car experiences? On straights the following car gains increased speed anyway due to reduced drag, it's when cornering that the following car suffers most - a regulated section of the diffusor that opens when the following car is close enough would allow for more close racing in the corners, which is far more exciting that passing on straights. Also, I think this would be safer than DRS because if DRS fails to close it results in so much less downforce in the next corner that it becomes very dangerous, while if the regulated section of the diffusor fails to either close or open, it would result in either same amount of downforce or more downforce which, I presume, is safer than less downforce.
I have no idea about f1 racing and the drs rules but lets say
2 cars come into a drs zone
whats stopping the leading car from using drs?
or is that balanced out by slipsteaming or somehow rule governed so that the leading car cant use drs?
I don't know who were the guys who designed the aero package before 2017. I mean, this is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport...
How about DRS automatically disabling, as soon as the following car is partially/fully/halfway alongside the leading car. Sth like that. That would ensure that only the disadvantage gets undone, but there is no gimmie overtake, bevause of DRS
you know what could possibly work that when a car comes close enough to the car in front mostly 1 second (like in drs detection) the car in front should be made to open the drs so that both the car in front and the chasing car have almost equal amount of downforce loss
Watch the vid, see how that is a bad idea
I don't understand why it is supposed to benefit the chasing car rather than both cars. Why can't the leading car benefit from DRS too?
DRS was initially purposed to level the playing field, as it allows the car behind to have a better chance at overtaking the car ahead. If the leading car can use DRS too, he will just use it to maintain his position. This would neglect the entire point of DRS as a tool to assist overtaking.
I think the only real solution is to significantly reduce the aerodynamic downforce, especially from wings and bodywork. Simplify them and get rid of the vorteces that disturb the airflow so much. It will make for slightly slower, but much more exciting racing. Who can be against that?
At the same time, mechanical grip should be increased by making the cars simpler, lighter and smaller again. This will balance the lost speed from reduced aero, while at the same time opening up more track space for overtaking. On some of the older circuits, there is simply no room for these huge modern F1 cars to be running side by side.
what you are say is called Formula 2
I prefer how Indycar used p2p but can live with drs
We could put a hybrid system and when we brake it re charges or we can do same as Porsche that it can charge while driving and it is slow so it’s kinda fair
I’m not sure if this is a joke, but F1 already had this?
I understand the physics of DRS. What I can't figure out is how it gets activated. Is it automated in some way or does the driver activate it? What is the system that activates it and then deactivates it? And it if it's deployed by the driver, what prevents them from just deploying it whenever?
Such a big fuss over something as simple as "adjustable rear wing". Many people seem to mistake DRS as some kind of magical cheat device that automatically lets you overtake people. In reality, it only minimizes rear downforce for enhanced straight-line speed and slipstream effect. Based on the current aero regulation, It isn't even that powerful when competing cars have very similar performances,.
Give DRS to all cars, but make it have variable allowed usable time, where the lead car gets the smallest amount, and the last car gets the longest.
Here's a man who knows what he's talking about. Autosport should hire him.
We all know it's just a matter of balancing the cleanliness of the rear air to a fair point which air makes little to no difference. But they choose to give some a bit of an advantage so they can win more frequently. That's what DRS is. A dirty advantage to a few.
My ideas on Aero :
- More moveable aerodynamic parts : frontwing adjustment..increasing front wing downforce might increase corner speeds for chasing car. But increase drag. Controled by settings on the stairingwheel. So its driver controled...more downforce / tactical element / trade-offs
- more floor utilisation....Valkiry Tunnels !!! ...more downforce
- blown wings ..more downforce
- monkeyseat...more downforce / increased drag
- removal of “glass” mirrors...go digital..currently used for flow management
- reduce outwash flow devices.. increase drag / reduce “dirty air”
- keep current DRS...altough lil gimmicky at times it adds the tention of a chasing car beeing able to strike ...remeber raikonnen versus Verstappen- barcelona 2017...round after round of tention for drivers / teams and viewers
Other rulez :
- Blue Flags are more safety/warnings instead of give way...will increase battles for each inch of asfalt. And drivers need to manage each overtake. Not just for position
- rule changes only once every 2 years ...decrease development intensity per year..reducing gap between teams
- random race distance : 1,5 hours + lap
- make a difference between driver and team caused changes of parts. Not just handing out grid penalties but also opt for constructor point reductions
Rule changes more often= larger gap between teams. You have that totally backwards.
Zephyr : i mean last few years every year there is a change
- this year loads aero
- last year : minor aero / tires / suspension
- 2017 : mayor aero
- 2016 power unit limitions
I rather see all rules set for minimum of 2 years
Giving minor teams chances to adept and close the gap to front runners more easily
Offcourse rulez that consurn safety can be voted in at anytime ( like the halo )
@@MrSabumaru Im not saying we havent had rule changes recently. Im just pointing out that the majority of times, rule changes widen the gap between the field, not shorten it.
But your video doesn’t say how drs gives advantage in straights .
Maybe use the time between cars do deactivate DRS, if the bar behind is less then 0.2 seconds of the car ahead the drs deactivates and they can fight for the position
How does the activation of the DRS work? Where does the transponder sit, how fast does the driver get the sound signal and can they push the button again and again and again to get it activated as fast as possible at the DRS-allowed-line? How accurate is the transponder/GPS?
I feel bad for all of the times Bottas had to stay behind Hamilton because of team orders. Doesn't feel like it's racing anymore.
Oof Barichello flashbacks
Awesome video and great animation!👍
What program do you use to create the animations?
Why don’t they switch where aero is generated? Current F1 cars have a lot of the aero focused at the front wing, which dictates how air travels to the rest of the car. So why not switch the aero generation to underneath the car, similar to current Indy Cars
You're not going to have "fair and square" overtaking until you stop the chopping, blocking, swerving, and other unfair defending. All you have to do now is run the other guy off the road, and you won't get a penalty. The rules are stacked too much in the defending car's favor.
Why don't they just go to an IndyCar style push to pass system and limit it to a certain allotment of time per race?
Couldn’t a form of control be added to the technical regulations to make it so there was a limited amount of dirty air allowed to be given off by a car? Or similar to the point you’ve made, moveable aero in the corners to recover the downforce lost? Similar to DRS, but in reverse
How would they easily measure the amount of dirty air produced by a car?
C3lloman force teams to show technical delegates the data from the windtunnel
Every car except the race leader should be able to use drs whenever they want
Chainbear... Why not just make many DRS zones and just make the DRS deactivated when they are parallel each other.. this will give the cars being chased and equal and fighting chance, hence a more action packed race.
they can do it with GPS sensors , or other type of sensors they deem fit. instead of having deactivation points which is sometimes DRS is an overkill. atleast when it is deactivated when they are parallel, then it goes back to real racing.
F1 games back when i was a kid is kinda hard and less fun than f1 games today, thanks to drs now it has more overtake and challenges unlike back then where you can either stuck in a position that you can't even follow the car in front or getting too far ahead that it starts becoming a boring race
DRS removes prolonged wheel to wheel racing. Very rarely you see proper head to head battles which is why we appreciate them. Only Alonso has had some exciting ones with Hamilton and Russell in Austria. Also DRS makes an individual driver error less costly. As long as you recover and are within a second of car in front you can still pass quite quickly. Being within a tenth didn't guarantee a pass, two cars would be side by side at a pretty similar speed.
It kills the thrill of the sport. When I watched Hungary 2019 or for example Spain 2021 I knew what was gonna happen. Lewis would eventually be in DRS range and max wouldn't be allowed to yield aggressively. Finally DRS train sucks bad because when everyone uses it no one gains an advantage. This is why I think sprint qualifying is boring as he'll because since there are fewer laps, drivers are closer to one another meaning unless you can pass in a non DRS straight overtaking becomes non existent. I guess f1 has gone down the route of quality over quantity but overtaking seems so predictable when it happens. And when drivers make ambitious moves which don't come off they get criticised for it. Ridiculous. Any corner on a f1 track should be a potential overtaking opportunity
Unless there is a limit on DRS zones why can't there be a DRS zone between turn 13 and 14/15 at Bahrain?
drs is the only way to compensate dirty air for the following car with the current aero solutions.
Sorry, Newbie Here: Why does allowing DRS all the time make it back to square one with Lead Car having an Advantage or Following Car having a Dis-Advantage?
What about lengthen the amount of time you have to have to have DRS lets say 2 to 3 seconds and if you are the leader you can't use DRS when trying to lap cars.
I feel like the FIA is paying chainbear to cover their asses. The guy never disagrees with the status quo.
Do you have a cogent argument against his points, or just some vague stab at paranoid conspiracy?
Maybe because the status quo makes more sense?
@@Trendyflute I'm talking about how almost all of his stuff supports the status quo. The halo, the drs... etc.
We should be either making the cars lighter, less powerful and more reliant on ground effect downforce or be adding drag like the late 90s champ cars. The hanford device was a simple and cheap solution to allow for overtaking.
I've always wondered why rear wings in F1 aren't allowed to moved at will? Maybe limit it to 2-3 settings each race but surely times would increase majorly if drivers could manually set the rear wing for say tight corners, bends and straights? Is there some major safety reason it's not allowed? Cheers
Get read of it,that could be fair if there was a way to measure air pressure on the wing for example and it would be automatically activated within X and Y air pressure... than it would go down for a moment ... as it i it is a bit of over advantage
Who activates the DRS? the driver? the team? software? who does it?
Why not an inverted DRS? -more downforce at corners- At least it wouldn't be an "overtake" on a straights.
More mechanical grip and power. Less downforce. That's the solution.
Not even a link to ChainBear's channel in the description. What a jip!
The best solution I think, is to not be the chasing car... thats the essence of the competition, if you are the chasing car it means either you couldnt get a good position in qualification, or you lost it during the the race. Yeah being the chasing car sucks and takes a lot more work and I think thats what makes f1 thrilling. If we continue with this equality thing it means the acceleration and top speeds of all cars should be exactly same or someone will always have an advantage isnt ot so?
Good to have you back! :)
They totaly screwed DRS up. The reason that they thought it up was becayse cars could not follow closely enough throught the corners onto the staights and make a pass . The car infront was to far ahead. The problem is that DRS pretty much garentees an pass in most cases beacuse it is open for so long. It use to be that the following car would be right on the bumper of the car infront and it would then sling shot past using the hole in the air created by the car infront and it would then be a battle between the cars with the best aero, power and drive winning the battle. The way DRS should work is that it opens up right away after the corner allowing the following car to close up on the car in front. When the following car catches up and id right behind the lead car DRS should close and then it is up to the car to make the pass on even terms with the car in front. This gives the car infront a fighting chance to keep the position. The way it is right now is a joke. Passing other cars is to easy. You look at the troubles that drives use to have making there way through the field after a bad qualifying session compared to today. They really had to fight there way through to gain positions ,today the drivers wait for a DRS zone and the pass is done no problem.
I thought you said down downforce is good for speed. But doesn't drs limit downforce and yet it makes the car faster?
FIA should just allow a boost system to the engine. ( kinda like turning on the NOS in The Fast and Furious films) Like a 100 second of boost per race.
Drs is just a disaster waiting to happen, plus it's far too artificial and gimmicky.
Maybe instead of the chasing car have it open all the way and the leading car not at all have the leading car open about a 1/4 of the way
How about allowing the chasing car to activate DRS also if it's more than 5 seconds behind?
Interesting but that means more hard brakes.
I think that DRS should be able to be deployed at anytime but will only re-charge when driving in dirty air!!!!
I think they should give at least some disadvantage to using DRS to make it more tactical
The whole point of DRS is to make it easier to follow.
Or just say fuck it, and actually race and battle. Nobody needs a handicap, all the cars are so close in performance, and since the teams are allowed to design the body for the air streams, any kind of handicap to "reclaim" the time and speed lost is ridiculous. Just fucking race it, push the car, push yourself. Like I said, nobody should have a handicap at all, even the losing guys.
DRS should absolutely be allowed be used all the time
Have so they get DRS as normal but DRS shuts when the driver is within .100 of a second
@Autosport Want to restrict dirty air? Why not restrict overall square metres of wing/aero space allowed on a car?
thats hard to police because how are you gonna define which parts of the car is "aero". Aero isnt limited to wings and vortex generators. its the entire surface area of the car
@@JustusKuroVT Exactly!
Teams will have to pick wisely with a focus around efficiency, which will benefit the automotive retail sector, and if we're lucky, afford better looking cars too!
@@nottodaybuddy370 Or, we could end up with F1 being a spec series. A lot of teams would be finding loopholes in the regulations too. Just like the nose dissaster of 2014
@@JustusKuroVT A defeatist attitude is not going to resolve anything in a positive manner.
I am totally in the minority in that I kinda like DRS. But it should be limited to a number if uses per race. Used any time but only like lets say 10 uses.
What do you reckon about them keeping DRS for 2021 when dirts air is reduced?
What about moving what generates downforce? Less aero power and more ground effect? How could that affect the air turbulence?
Thats the plan for the 2021 rules so far. Here's hoping it works out.
Until the 2021 Saudi Arabian GP, that race suggest otherwise about the DRS
Baku shouldn't have a DRS zone. The whole straight is way too long and with DRS any car even 0.8s behind can get a victory
What I personally don't get is why you can use DRS against lapped cars...
maybe you can activate DRS only when you drive trough a ?CUBE?