@@henrikrdstherchristie9553 I think he meant that they should have had more fame that they ever got. One of the best bands in the 1980s but the clash with Trevor Horn ruined their world domination.
Imagine this: if Trevor Horn and ZTT Records focused more on Propaganda instead of Frankie Goes To Hollywood, didn't have that ridiculous contract with them, had a standard contract with them, the lawsuit never happened, Propaganda didn't break up, and they continued with their core/awesome lineup throughout the 80's and 90's. I wonder how badass and amazing they could have been. One can only wonder /:
They would have had a couple of fantastic albums, then would have struggled to keep the momentum going. It would have been hard to follow up an album as perfect as this. Their influence would have been broader musically plus their influence would have downplayed the rise of the stockaitken& Waterman sound that ruined the latter half of the 80's.
Interesting perspective. Trevor is an amazing producer and artists but he was pushing the edge of authoritarianism at that stage of his career. Holly Johnson rightfully pushed back and rejected his fascist overdetermination, just as Mark Hollis (Talk Talk) did with his producers. At the end of the day, the artist must speak. It's their voice. Trevor augmented Yes, Seal, Frankie and so many to such an incredible degree but he couldn't restrain his zeal. He ended up destroying most of those relationships. Even with Propaganda, he neglected them then obsessed and then... it was a mess. I wish that Trevor was raised with a worldview that wasn't exclusively capitalist-libertarian exploitative. If you know what Frankie, Propaganda and the rest sing about, it's leftist emancipatory worldview. Trevor's right-wing capitalist artist colonialism just ensured he would never be able to collaborate with these artists to reach even greater levels. That said, everything they collaborated on was astounding. Many of our lives are impacted by these songs. Thank you to all of them.
I'm going to play devil's advocate - the album has three killer singles and "Dream Within a Dream". Take them away and it's very slight, although it all sounds wonderful. They didn't have enough material for a whole album and would have struggled to follow it up no matter what happened.
In my top 5 albums of ALL TIMES.... phenominal musicality, geniusly orchestrated and briljant interludes... goose bump understated vocals... they blew me away in 1984... and they bloody hell still do... what a waste.... and what a gift this one gem.
Correctly it would be "Kein zurück für dich" ;-). BTW, do you also recognize 3:32: "Spieglein, Spieglein an der Wand, wer ist die Schönste im ganzen Land." -> Schneewittchen
Incroyable de voir le nombre de musiciens qu'il y a sur scene. C'est probablement la version la plus riche et la plus symphonique de ce merveilleux titre . I can’t believe how many musicians are on stage. This is probably the richest, most symphonic version of this wonderful title
In meiner Jugend war das eines meiner Lieblingslieder. Welch eine Hammer Neuauflage!!!Ich bin hin und weg und fühle mich wieder wie im besten Jahrzehnt,das ich erleben durfte. Danke fürs einstellen!!!
Even that I am a (Hard)Rocker since I was a little boy (Nazareth "Razamanaz" was one of my first own records back in the early 70's as example) I just love this song since it came out in 1984, especially the original 10-minutes 12-inch mix. I was a DJ then and discovered the song by pure hazard while checking through the "new" 12-inches in my record store. Now, almost 40 years later, this song hasn't aged or become dusty or "outdated" - and rare are the songs that do this effect. In 1984 and still in 2023 this is an absolute epic masterpiece and eternally on my all-time favorites playlist ♥
Now this is the proper propaganda i swear by, what an incredible vibe decades later, an absolute phenomenal timeless classic sound. March twenty twenty two 👍😎👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
I had this on my Walkman everywhere I went. I used to test the best Hifi stack systems out in the shops by sticking this on the cassette player. Never had any complaints from shop owners. Always had people coming up asking who it was.
I love this song since the first time i heard it, i think it was in 1984, since then i became a fan of these guys, specialy Claudia Brucken, she's fantastic...
i have listened to this for a couple of weeks and I can't get itn out of my head.. beautiful, haunting, powerful, subtle, it has everything ... this is art in musical form...
Yes, Trevor Horn created their sound that they got famous with, he is an essential piece of the puzzle. Really like their live performances, a lot of the studio sound and atmosphere is retained
When musicians are so gifted to twist so well our point of view about making music is just .. wow, keep on twisting it, keep on giving us things to surprise us, yeah, the true engine of life fans
A super band of my youth! The album is excellent! I rediscovered it on a cassette tape I played in my vintage car, a citroën CX GTI of 1979. The final title "Final word" is so beautiful, prestigious, with a dramatix melody.I saw other live performance of the band in the 80'S ; they are brilliant, full of energy.I'm so admirative because the germans are generally very "square" and tight when they play but PROPAGANDA are very good musicians and they "swing" when they play.The girls (Claudia Brücken and Susan Freytag) are very beautiful.What a pity that they made only one album!Christophe from france.
This performance is NOT in the 80s but in 2004. But: 80s music from the wave-era is NOT dance music. Audience has to stand still and listen. Even the two girls on the stage do not make any show.
Who's still listening to this masterpiece in 2024 ?!?
Me
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@@ragnardarle3946 So good to hear...Thanks👍
@@ragnardarle3946 ciao dall ' italia
Wonderful to see this so many years later. One of my favourite 1980s albums
Clearly one of the most underrated bands of the 1980s.
Underrated? Only by ignorants.One of my favourite bands at the time.
@@henrikrdstherchristie9553 I think he meant that they should have had more fame that they ever got. One of the best bands in the 1980s but the clash with Trevor Horn ruined their world domination.
A far more innovative band than Frankie, better songwriters too. Classic album.
amazing band, production was some of the best in the 80s
@@abigailsda1 totally agree 💯
A fucking masterpiece! 80s forever!!
All thanks to Trevor Horn, the best producer ever imo!
Einer der epischsten Songs der 80-er Jahre. Lief in den Discotheken rauf und runter. War eine tolle Zeit, die ich nicht missen möchte !
QR code bitte........ha ha ha
Geht mir genauso so 😊
Wo ist die Zeit geblieben....
Imagine this: if Trevor Horn and ZTT Records focused more on Propaganda instead of Frankie Goes To Hollywood, didn't have that ridiculous contract with them, had a standard contract with them, the lawsuit never happened, Propaganda didn't break up, and they continued with their core/awesome lineup throughout the 80's and 90's. I wonder how badass and amazing they could have been. One can only wonder /:
Dan Nájera Trevor horn produced 1 song
They would have had a couple of fantastic albums, then would have struggled to keep the momentum going. It would have been hard to follow up an album as perfect as this. Their influence would have been broader musically plus their influence would have downplayed the rise of the stockaitken& Waterman sound that ruined the latter half of the 80's.
@@ThePeterCorne so sir. Trevor Horn produced the whole album with Stephen Lipson
Interesting perspective. Trevor is an amazing producer and artists but he was pushing the edge of authoritarianism at that stage of his career. Holly Johnson rightfully pushed back and rejected his fascist overdetermination, just as Mark Hollis (Talk Talk) did with his producers.
At the end of the day, the artist must speak. It's their voice. Trevor augmented Yes, Seal, Frankie and so many to such an incredible degree but he couldn't restrain his zeal. He ended up destroying most of those relationships. Even with Propaganda, he neglected them then obsessed and then... it was a mess.
I wish that Trevor was raised with a worldview that wasn't exclusively capitalist-libertarian exploitative. If you know what Frankie, Propaganda and the rest sing about, it's leftist emancipatory worldview. Trevor's right-wing capitalist artist colonialism just ensured he would never be able to collaborate with these artists to reach even greater levels.
That said, everything they collaborated on was astounding. Many of our lives are impacted by these songs. Thank you to all of them.
I'm going to play devil's advocate - the album has three killer singles and "Dream Within a Dream". Take them away and it's very slight, although it all sounds wonderful. They didn't have enough material for a whole album and would have struggled to follow it up no matter what happened.
This is just sublime. - Claudia Brucken and Susanne Freytag are incredible. This has lost none of its magic and noir and power! ❤
Das ist einfach komplett überirdisch...ich LIEBE diese Live-Produktion...
Ganz deiner Meinung. Dieses Lied und p machinery sind zeitlos.
Kein Zurück für dich.... Diese Worte sind auf immer in mir geprägt
This is almost beyond words! Absolutely awesome, and live. What an incredible sound mix, loved it in my teens in the 80's, and still do now
Still brill! And I have it as my phone alarm tune! Few better ways to start the day than Propaganda!
From 3:50 onwards, the music is sublime.
In my top 5 albums of ALL TIMES.... phenominal musicality, geniusly orchestrated and briljant interludes... goose bump understated vocals... they blew me away in 1984... and they bloody hell still do... what a waste.... and what a gift this one gem.
I couldn’t agree more. Major influence on me
Bien dicho, "holandés errante".....:)
and still incredible 40 years later
Loved Propaganda, ACT, and later Claudia’s solo career. Saw Propaganda at the Beacon in NYC. What an experience! Phenomenal!
Absolutely fantastic music
20 years later and they even sound better. What a timeless piece. What a mastermind production.
When Claudia sings "Kein Zurueck fuer Dich" at 3:13, I get GOOSEBUMPS! This is indeed an amazing live version, perhaps the best one ever recorded.
Correctly it would be "Kein zurück für dich" ;-). BTW, do you also recognize 3:32: "Spieglein, Spieglein an der Wand, wer ist die Schönste im ganzen Land." -> Schneewittchen
Incroyable de voir le nombre de musiciens qu'il y a sur scene. C'est probablement la version la plus riche et la plus symphonique de ce merveilleux titre .
I can’t believe how many musicians are on stage. This is probably the richest, most symphonic version of this wonderful title
genius stroke... after 20y live in wembley, german "lost'' band. absolutely perfect.
Das Ende is so geil mit dem Orchester....brillinat gespielt und gesungen!
In meiner Jugend war das eines meiner Lieblingslieder.
Welch eine Hammer Neuauflage!!!Ich bin hin und weg und fühle mich wieder wie im besten Jahrzehnt,das ich erleben durfte.
Danke fürs einstellen!!!
Etwas Gedanken spielen unsere Zeit
Take artistic genius Propaganda add production genius Trevor Horn = sublime, timeless performance.
One of the best beats of the 80s. Really great and thank you Dusseldorf!
Even that I am a (Hard)Rocker since I was a little boy (Nazareth "Razamanaz" was one of my first own records back in the early 70's as example) I just love this song since it came out in 1984, especially the original 10-minutes 12-inch mix. I was a DJ then and discovered the song by pure hazard while checking through the "new" 12-inches in my record store. Now, almost 40 years later, this song hasn't aged or become dusty or "outdated" - and rare are the songs that do this effect. In 1984 and still in 2023 this is an absolute epic masterpiece and eternally on my all-time favorites playlist ♥
Now this is the proper propaganda i swear by, what an incredible vibe decades later, an absolute phenomenal timeless classic sound. March twenty twenty two 👍😎👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
Trevor Horn play bass !
Two stunning ladies with fantastic voices!!
Eines der genialsten Werke der 80er. Absolute Klasse und grandioses Lied. Danke
Ero un ragazzino quando ascoltavo questa musica. Anni 80. Fantastici
J écoutais propaganda et encore aujourd'hui j adore
Pure gold. Great memories, amazing albums, way ahead of their time ! X
An orchestra for the ears, which is an incredible musical experience.
One of the greatest live performances on RUclips.
In my opinion the most underrated band of the 80's. I saw them 3 years ago backing Heaven 17 and Claudia and Suzanne still have it
still one from the best - the live version is so unbelievable - and now it is again 15 years later
I m in love with Claudia Brücken ❤. Who else???
Me
Great musicians, great singers, great version!
still one of the best songs ever
absolutely
Indeed!
Never look back!
so ahead of their time back then, and now they sound even better than ever-wow- so cool and beautiful to watch.
This was a great band from 80's ❤❤
This is what I call MASTERPIECE!!!!!!
Great performance live on stage Propaganda so 80's perfect sound .
Troppo forti! Band musicali negli anni 80!! Tutto un'altro mondo.
Ce morceau ainsi que toutes leurs compositions n'ont pas vieilli. Total respect 👍🏻✌🏻☮️🇵🇸
wow your are live wow
bigest respect !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
40 years old 👏👏👏👍👍👍
The Best Version i ever heard
I Love this Song, incredible live version. Respect for singers and Orchestra, what for a great Job!
Claudia is a goddess in the Greek tradition. Just born out of time. She'll have her own someday.
Could. Not. Care. Less!!
music that defined a decade..the 80s, still relevant today
Great song!!! Great band!!! Great Claudia!!! ❤️👋👋👋
1st time I heard them...on German TV...Formel Eins...sometime in the 80's.....had to buy the music as soon as I could.
IN.THERE.own.world.of.electrik.world.of.music.there.has.never.bin.a.album.like.this.one.and.never.be.another..
Fantastic and what a great musicians
brilliant song by propaganda, who along with trevor horn, redefined the concept of pop music in the 1980s to great effect
Steve Lipson produced their album, not Trevor.
Such an under rated band, absolutely epic!
What a GREAT performance, they are still creating it!! Very class TOP Artists, arent many left of these species nowadays!
Such a great sound and performance
This performance brings me so much pleasure
Wow so pleased I found this reminds me of being a teenager, although didnt know anyone else who shared my passion for this song, this is brilliant :-)
i do it's brilliant great track and a great band .
Me too though I was way beyond teen age. I share your passion for this song.
The sensation of being moved back to my teenage boy room is almost dizzying !
I had this on my Walkman everywhere I went. I used to test the best Hifi stack systems out in the shops by sticking this on the cassette player. Never had any complaints from shop owners. Always had people coming up asking who it was.
awesome .... they were so brilliant!!! what a great performance 20 years later
havent heard this song for 31 years. its awsome
Back again…take a bow everybody…love this performance..Trevor on Bass wow
Amazing!!!!
The klar
Brilliant production
Suzie Freytag- I still love you after all these years baby!!
So many memories
So many years before
So Amazing
wish i would have been there love this song and group .
80s Glamorous pop music sounds. Fashionable elegant visual musical. Beautiful.
Back to the days of skill in music SUPERB!
Absolutely mint
Love this - this is how you do it live
Questa è musica-spettacolo con una vera trama, una storia raccontata. Dopo 35 anni ancora li amo.
Piacciono ancora perché sanno cantare .
Impressionante quanti strumenti ! 🙂😍
Il genio di saper reitenrpretare il brano in chiave differente..
I love this song since the first time i heard it, i think it was in 1984, since then i became a fan of these guys, specialy Claudia Brucken, she's fantastic...
absolutely brilliant band
This is so gorgeous performance that I'm getting goosebumps every time I watch this :)
Me encantaban💃💃💃💃🌹
Pues si que tiempos con cabeza como siempre hice .e.e olvia yaaa a los años 80 ,90 🏆🏆🌹🌹🌹🌹💃
Susanne can do "those" eyes at me for eternity
And tears in Claudia's as she finishes..
One of the bands you listened to back in the 1984 when this came out. Still a tune & band I listen to.
My heart has missed a few beats! Nurse! More! I want more!
Love this performance at Wembley Arena. I was 15 when Dr Mabuse was in the Uk Top 40 back in 1984. ❤
i have listened to this for a couple of weeks and I can't get itn out of my head.. beautiful, haunting, powerful, subtle, it has everything ... this is art in musical form...
First there was Krafwerk and then there was Propaganda! Industrial, steel, rhythm. A lot is owed to Trevor Horn. Carl.
No. First there was Tangerine Dream.
Yes, Trevor Horn created their sound that they got famous with, he is an essential piece of the puzzle. Really like their live performances, a lot of the studio sound and atmosphere is retained
Actually Trevor had very little to do with this album. Steve Lipson produced it in almost it's entirety. Trevor was involved in one track only.
I love this piece, it has some truth in the text, my youth time....
When musicians are so gifted to twist so well our point of view about making music is just .. wow, keep on twisting it, keep on giving us things to surprise us, yeah, the true engine of life fans
An amazing version of one of tjhe great 80s songs!
A super band of my youth! The album is excellent! I rediscovered it on a cassette tape I played in my vintage car, a citroën CX GTI of 1979.
The final title "Final word" is so beautiful, prestigious, with a dramatix melody.I saw other live performance of the band in the 80'S ; they are brilliant, full of energy.I'm so admirative because the germans are generally very "square" and tight when they play but PROPAGANDA are very good musicians and they "swing" when they play.The girls (Claudia Brücken and Susan Freytag) are very beautiful.What a pity that they made only one album!Christophe from france.
80er Pure Lifestyle .... Gott fehlt mir das :-(
Love it. What a great performance of this amazing song.
First time I've watched this video. Superb. Nice to see the genius Trevor H on stage but also Lol Creme ex 10CC part of Trevors Band there too
Amazing Band, Amazing Ladies. Chapeau
Tahun 80-an penyanyinya sopan, penontonnya juga tidak jingkrak-jingkrak dan rusuh ... sangat tertib dan tenang. Enak lihatnya.
This performance is NOT in the 80s but in 2004. But: 80s music from the wave-era is NOT dance music. Audience has to stand still and listen. Even the two girls on the stage do not make any show.
capolavoro 👍👋👋👋👋👋
love the original version, but this live version is simply AMAZING.
Eine der besten Songs der 80er Jahre, zeitlos schön❤❤❤
One of the greatest performance videos ever posted on RUclips. Wow!
A Masterpiece!!! I still have the CD and it has definitely stood the test of time. Absolutely one of the greatest artists of the new wave era.
Sure, and after that, a new band emerged Era, without "lyrics"
Jagt mir immer noch einen Schauer über den Rücken. Und diese Live-Version ist fantastisch!
nie ma już takiej MUZYKI :..(
wykonanie perfekcyjne, orkiestra do oscara, dupe mi urwało
fantastic performance.
WOW Beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL THE BEST FROM ROMANIA! WE ARE MISSING YOU! THANK YOU FOR THE MUSIC!
excellent performance of the band and welcome back to Propaganda's so charismatic singers
Brilliant!