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Sudanese or South Sudanese | Discussing The Split of Africa's Once Largest Country (Part 1)
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- In this episode, we explore the Sudanese and South Sudanese identity following the 2011 referendum which led to the separation of the two nations.
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Tariq - @Arnabi20
Sahra - @SoSahra
Christine - @ChristinaLado
Vaida - @VaidaJoe
Emma - @eastafricanqueen___
Mohammed - @Yaamoo
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I’m not south Sudanese,but I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. There’s so much i’ve learned about your struggles and fights in sudan, and the world. Thank you ladies of Sosa .. I will continue to tune in for more. 🇨🇩❤🇸🇸
I think we as Africans need to stop saying "our leaders have failed us" and instead take responsibility. We have ALL failed ourselves. Our countries won't build themselves, we ALL have a responsibility and INDIVIDUAL roles to play in transforming our nations for the better. The idea that a MESSIAH president/leader will come one day and fix all our problems is a fantasy. OUR leaders are a reflection of US. Leadership is not merely about who runs the country, it's also about the thousands or millions of leaders within our own local communities. Its up to YOU and I to become the leaders our people need. And yet we spend more time complaining and being 'disappointed.' Ask yourself, how are YOU contributing and making a difference?
South Sudan is the newest country in Africa, i hope you guys will not repeat the mistakes that the rest of us made since independence. I enjoyed the conversation, good luck.
shout out all my dark sudanese especially the ladies 🧡🧡🧡 MIAMI, USA
Thank you for this episode you guys are all beautiful and intelligent i’m from eastern Sudan but it makes me so angry that the people of the South continue to suffer even though they got their independence honestly this was a really informative episode i love you guys i hope you God will shower all Sudan with peace and prosperity inshallah 😞❤️❤️
Loved this! cant wait for part 2 I’m definitely subscribing
I’m a black Saudi Arabian with Sudanese ancestry I found this informative and entertaining.
#FreeSudan 🇸🇩🇸🇸
one thing i wanna say, i really love you guys all handled this conversation i’m very proud of you guys it made me shed some tears thinking about how much a lot of people did die for us to have freedom. we need more people like y’all back in the government both countries would be its best if we did all love❤️🇸🇩🇸🇸
Well done Bravo as well. Although normally I don't sit in and watch one hour on RUclips. However, this one was different and good. And I enjoyed it. It was worth watching it. That was Awesome! Content. Greeting From Australia And a new sub. Thanks...
this conversation was great !!! pt 2 pls we need more north/south sudanese on the podcast this was great
Love to the beautiful and brave Tokriel. I felt your pain and want to give you a big hug for everything you and your family have been through 💕💕
Great show.
If we would of stayed as one country I believe our people would’ve been wiped out. Just like our people are dying in Darfur for what? Dr. John Garang included all of us in his future plans for South Sudan. The reality is we separated and some of our people are still struggling in Sudan and we cannot move forward with our current government without acknowledging the suffering of all our people.
It's Nice to have Vida back ❤
With all due respect, why are we even having this conversation? If I remember correctly 2 million of our people died to call it out our sovereign nation of South Sudan. How many of our granddads and great uncles fought for Anyanya one and how many of our dads, uncles, cousins and brothers fought for the SPLA? And all the women who did their part in medicine, shelter, map making and on the culinary front.
This is not a preference debate, he said "my identity didn't change over night" yes it did. I was a Sudanese who grew up in Northern Europe, but the day we gained our independence on July 9th, 2011 I became a South Sudanese who grew up in Northern Europe. And proudly so.
Look what our people went through, this is way more than just a simple border divide or name change, it's a tale about courage and resilience. And if your South Sudanese, how dare you take that away from the two million of our people who died.
If my future children ever fix their lips to say Sudan instead of South Sudan I am grabbing Pÿch before they can finish saying Warrap State Kuajok.
I love that cushites that tell me you know your history and you have pride
As someone who was born in Khartoum, studied in CCK and grew up there for the majority of my life... I can not deny the obvious second class treatment of many ethnic Sudanese... we can blame it on many things but the truth is: TRIBALISM was and still is our cancer in Sudan. It's not racism as if in the farthest North or East you still find very dark people... but it is TRIBALISM and in later years mainly for political reasons it morphed into religious with political Islam being the main culprit (re: 80s onwards)... but again, it's a whole different debate.
The late Dr. John Garang said it best, "Africanism, Arabanism, Christianity and Islam cannot live unite us, but SUDANISM can" rip Dr. GARANG if only he didn't die so soon....
P.S
I love you guys and your show...like brother Tariq here, blessing and love from your Kushite brother ❤
Wow thanks for bringing Hamudi to the show, I wish our brothers could get exposed to this podcast.
It’s a delicate topic but how you guys delivered different perspectives is just wow.
I was expecting “Somalians not identifying as Africans “to be mentioned lol but I guess you should consider discussing it sometimes in the future.
loved this conversation and hearing everyone’s perspectives 🫶🏿🫶🏿🇸🇩🇸🇸
Dark skin women are so so beautiful
and even in south sudan today we have so much tribalism and hate towards each other tribal groups so we could even really call ourselves south sudanese🤔? khalas stop this nonsense we are all sudani no matter what! and i love this quote what dr. grang said "Arabism cannot unite us, Africanism that's opposed to Arabism cannot unite us; Islam cannot unite us;
Christianity cannot unite us. But Sudanism can unite us, because it's the common house. So let's drop this crazy idea, that all of us must be Arabs." so let’s all people sudanese guys!🇸🇸🇸🇩
Nah I am good on that lil bro. I am just fine with us being twin countries like North and South Korea.
After you guys wiped us out no thanks
No thanks bffr
@@user-hl3sw5tv9b His name is Deng Kuol crazy part is he’s South Sudanese talking like this.
@@72vince27 that could be a fake account people do that all the time on social media
Thank you for the very informative discussion. I would suggest reading the book the politics of the two Sudans written by Deng Dut Akol Ruay. It gives compelling reasons why Sudan cannot exist as one country. The book was published in 1994. Islam as a religion and the introduction of sharia law was a determinant factor. The south were not willing to be stripped off their identity and culture and fought back against all sorts of discrimination.
First of all, there is a difference between leadership that leads the country and the country. Leaders come and go, but the country stays forever. The independent of South Sudan was not accident. Remember, the South Sudanese vote was 98%. They( South Sudanese) hate something indeed for them to vote in that way. Sarah, you are well informed. Thank you for standing with us, the veterans.
I love Sarah ❤
Countries aren’t forever,
Plenty of countries have collapsed or were destroyed because of bad leadership…
And leaders live a long time and pass bad leadership to their successor, ask North Korea,
critiquing a government is a fundamental right of the people that government is responsible for
I agree with the lady why you keep comparing south sudan to America also if you think color don't matter live long enough
Much deserve to those fathers who fought for South Sudan🇸🇸💪🏿 wish i could give you a hug😢
we’re all sudanese khalas, no matter if you are from the west ,south ,north or east we all sudani at end of the day! this why africa will never unite we always spreading division it’s sad wallahi. we are always thinking about the past never the future dr. john grang wanted sudan to be one & at peace just because the government did us junubins wrong doesn’t mean we put it as the whole sudan. cause even people in darfur & south kordofan etc.. were getting killed too and they are northerners so we can’t blame them but we can blame the “arab” government hope we all reunite one day inshallah 🇸🇩❤️🇸🇸
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But whole 4 million of us were killed so no one takes responsibility for that if you don’t know the history of what was going on in the area don’t talk Because darfur were the ones fighting for the Sudanese government against south Sudanese people. Our people were wiped and Sudanese people stood their and supported bashiir of course they are also to blame. Those who sit back and watched people get wiped are also just as guilty. We will never reunite God willing
nah we ain’t the same people come on now
It was not about just shariah law, even northerners did not like shariah law. This can be easily overthrown. The biggest issue was southerners were marginalized. The southern part was completely neglected and destroyed due to wars. And the people of south who came to North were treated like nazaheen, almost like refugees in your own country. No jobs available for majority of southerners, it doesn't matter what kind of degree you hold. Majority of southerners love in the worst part of Khartoum with no running water or electricity. The kids who live there did not have proper schools supported by the government like other neighborhoods that were majority northerners. People were living in despair. For people to leave their country to seek refuge somewhere else, it was not just to find a better life. It's because people were looking for hope and to stay alive.
Yes thr goal was to make new Sudan where everyone is free but unfortunately😢
The guy with dreads is such hypocrites islamist. He usually depends anything relating Islam even though its injustice
Tarik sees beyond the landscape. Sudanese is Sudanese whatever the ethnicity and religion. The Sudanese identity is concrete and our people will find eachother in the future.
No we won’t stop this nonsense
He's a muslim that's why he's trying so hard to defend north Sudanese, we all know islam was, is & has been one of the biggest problem in the world not only north sudan
Pure pure is the word south sudanese are the true Africans
As south Sudanese i think the solution was never in separation but since we separated we should fix our problems and accept our selfes as Sudanese first then we reunite.
No we can't get back to where we're called ABEED (slaves) and KUFAR (infidels). U want us all dead or something?!?!?! Isn't the 4M+ dead enough for u to know that we can't get along with each other ?!?!?! Make it make sense
We appreciate your father's sacrifice, Mr. Martin, but don't you think that linking him to every event commemorating his memory is going too far and making you a bit condescending?
Mohammed if u think talking about the sacrifice of south Sudanese people is condescending then u are the problems we have to keep the Memory’s if those people alive every single day don’t u dare disrespect their sacrifice and hard work what we when through in the hands of Sudan was torture we never going to forget
The brother does not appreciate the sacrifice made for the next generation. The Muslim point of view skews his loyalty to his people.
I’m not Muslim and I’m only loyal to myself and no other man
Critiquing a corrupt government is a fundamental you should strive to have instead of having blind loyalty
Maybe one day you can finally start demanding better from your government rather than have blind loyalty…. Until then I’ll keep critiquing
@@arnabiarnab3037 but u call urself Sudanese u are aligning urself to corrupt government u hypocrite
@@arnabiarnab3037 hypocrite you Sudanese that means u align with the corrupt government of Sudan and u blindly align with their ideology
Nah bc most Sudanese I come across at least aren’t complete different race. I mean what race do you consider yourself? Black? So do Black Americans. Do you think Black Americans are more black than Sudanese? That would be silly bc Black Americans are admixture. Some Sudanese might identify as Arab but more than anything it would be culturally. Obviously, they aren’t the same as a Lebanese or Saudi or Tunisian. It’s colorism, not racism. Not to say there aren’t actual Arab Sudanese. Just saying not all of them. Do you think the guest gentleman on your podcast from Sudan (Mohamed?) is a different race? Perhaps an admixture. At the end of day race is social construct so you can feel how you feel. Just want to see consistency bc same people who think black Americans are black will say their fellow neighbors are not.
The moment he brought in stoic philosophy 💀💀... Pls even if ur argument is a solid one you'll never get through to anyone by equating emotions with irrationality, you're just invalidating the struggle
Tareak presents as though he wants to distance from his sudanese heritage. He dances around identity with a sophisticated kind of bs. He is not a proud Sudanese man
@@real8551 thank you for finding me sophisticated, I appreciate it 😇
But I’m proud to be Sudanese and proud to be born and from Juba, but pride shouldn’t blind you from corruption and a need for the country to be better
If you’re proud of something you should sell to make it the best version it can be….. that’s life
Mr Martin taking about how her father fought for independent of this country is touching and we all appreciate that but we all lost our families and still losing right now because of poor leadership and greedy of splm .my father fought and died also but i don't think is for this to happen. We got our independence but we forgot wt we were fighting for which is equal rights . Now we face the same problems of before which people like u that are having{ uncles}in the government are enjoying and treating us like shit in our own country
Stab islam.ideology did a job in Africa as a whole and south Sudan
That's not true brother the majority don't always have the power look at how small the British are look at how small Isreal
There is no freedom when you give up your land and half so sad
The guy with the dreads is such a hypocrite.”I don’t call my self south Sudanese cause I don’t align with the SS government”but u call urself Sudanese that’s mean u align with the Arab Sudanese government the crimes they committed in South Sudan don’t try and change it and be like just bcs I identify as Sudanese doesn’t mean I support the north Sudanese government. u absolutely align with them like the same rules apply to the reason why you don’t call yourself south Sudanese are u even listening to urself. Plus ur not a cushite ur an equatorian from South Sudan that ur native home
Tell him!! 💯💯
That’s not hypocrisy….
The name “Sudan” is a historical name of that region… prior to that it was Nubia, Kush, Medjay, etc
Since I’m from that region, I’m Sudanese, I’m a Kushite etc
I don’t align myself with corrupt governments who commits rape and genocide of its own people while pillaging foreign aid
Sudanese is the name associated with the region….. I was born in juba Sudan so I consider myself Sudanese……nothing to do with the government in Khartoum
Also the Kush are the ancient name of the region as well…so yes I’ll call myself a Kushite as well….
But I’ll call myself American today….
You’re creating a scenarios in your head to fit some convoluted narrative you conjured up lol…but it’s ok….
Critiquing a government that is corrupt and stealing from its own people is somehow controversial in guess, who knew??
You can keep having blind loyalty while they massacre 500K people and steal billions in foreign aid and I’ll keep saying my peace
Despite the wars and inhuman conditions to which the current citizen of South Sudan has been exposed, this does not mean that I have to satisfy my mind with what others eat other than me. He has reached his own conviction and we must respect his opinion and not call him hypocritical.
My comments keep getting deleted lol
Learn about the history of the region, and’s stop being fascinated by labels
I’ll keep critiquing the government and stand against corruption and genocide and you can blindly follow and be proud of that same government
It’s all good though…when the message misalign with your world view, stack the messenger
Tarek does not know what he is talking about. Sarah please teach him to be a South Sudanese patriot.
we are all sudanese stop the division!
lol…. I’m not a South Sudanese patriot
It’s a good thing that you’re proud and a patriot of a government that kills and rapes its own people while pillaging billions of foreign aid…. But we got a basketball team lol
Except I’m not a South Sudanese patriot
And if you are, critiquing a corrupt government that massacre its own people and steals foreign aid is a right you should want
My
@@dengkuol836 if we are all one why did you guys commit a genocide against us north Sudanese created the division we didn’t so u have no right to say stop the division
@@arnabiarnab3037 the Sudanese government u align urself too is also doing the same thing stop lying an saying it’s about the massacres when the north Sudanese gov u align with do worse then that u clearly have a deeper issue that u are not willing to share
Don’t skin bleach!
It shouldn't be a South Sudan take back the north
I really think inviting @rugragmedia will be a great part two