Sudanese or South Sudanese | Episode & Comment Recap
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- In this episode, we take a moment to review and recap the Sudanese and South Sudanese episode. The last episode had a ton of discourse on our various social media platforms, so we decided to address a few comments and clarify a few points before moving forward with a part 2.
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Christine - @ChristinaLado
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By the way, this is not the official part two of the last episode. We are still building a strong panel for that discussion. This is just a recap and going over some of the audiences views and perspectives. 🤎🤎🤎
Proud of the growth the podcast has definitely came a long way. Keep up the good work
I love that Emmanuel for mentioning the PTSD element. Because painting PTSD as being emotional
I learned about sudan through 70s sudanese jazz. Excited to hear more
As a Kenyan living in America, these last two episodes have been very insightful in learning more about other East African countries/cultures.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, Tariq doesn’t seem to fully understand his own world view because now on this episode he’s backing off some of the things he said in the previous episode. Also I didn’t understand his point exactly regarding the comment Sarah brought (not sure if it was from tiktok about someone asking their parents what happened) to say that it’s not a fair question is so nonsensical to me. Ok let’s say leave the government out of it, just the regular day to day Sudanese people had a hard time referring to us as Sudanese they always made it a point to calls us “Junubean” (Southerners) so to come here and say “it’s not the parents”
Sarah made a really good point asking him what is a good enough reason to split? I don’t get how suddenly now “its not for you to say” the same way you can say it’s not a good enough reason is the same way you should also exercise that freedom of speech and give your opinion. You all shouldn’t have let him get away with that, I’m a huge fan been since day dot with the OG LOS, hopefully my comment is not misconstrued with hate.
Love from down under ❤
Again…like I’ve stated
I don’t speak about the people, I criticize government only
And I think that’s the issue with people having so much emotion towards the topic…… people aren’t a monolith and can’t be defined as one, but government can
So I speak only about government and what needs to change
“What’s a good reason to split”
I said on this video representation….i said religion wasn’t a good enough reason to split, but a lack of representation is.
My point is, the split already happened, what’s there to discuss about an objective fact…. The argument should be what is the path forward
We tend to love talking about the past and what could’ve/should’ve been done….i want the focus on the present and the future, the past should only be there to act as a reference point
Sarah and Christine, your last analysis about diaspora going back home is spotted on. Those who are in diaspora will be the one to develop the country. They have advantages more than those back home. Sarah please teach that young boy so call Tariq. When U.S.A got independent from British in 1776 they did go back to civil war. It doesn't stop U.S.A from moving ahead to be the greatest country in the world. People of South Sudan are wise enough. They will figure it out definitely.
The difference between the countries was that the US had a foundation and constiution that clearly defined what the country stands for. We don't have that in South Sudan, and we can't just hope and pray that we will figure it out eventully. Part of figuring it out is having uncomfortable conversation and discourse to bring about new ideas. You can disagree with my ideas but i'm a grown man who backs all of my ideas/arguments with facts.
I love u guys speaking and educating about south sudan to south Sudanese and its ur duty cause u have privileges of talking without fear keep going and address us ❤
Wow my comment was brought up in the end 😃 Thanks guys. Much love to all of you!
Lol, thank you, Sarah, and the rest of the hosts for elucidating the matter to him and holding him accountable for what he said on the previous episode. First, I'm a she. Since the guy with the dreads wanted to compare the American experience to the South Sudanese one, he would be the South Sudanese equivalent of the house negro.
Moreover, you kept using stoicism as an excuse for not addressing some of the atrocious things our people experienced. You downplayed the genocide, oppression, racism, and religious discrimination. We can't move forward to a better future and become trading partners unless the pain is truly addressed. If Sudan and South Sudan want to reunite, we need to be truly honest and have restorative justice. Also, the government is supported by the majority; as long as you remain silent, you are complicit. They revolted and overthrew their government when it came to their oppression. Why were they silent when it came to ours if we are "one people"?
Also, you can critique the South Sudanese government; we are not in disagreement about that. The South Sudanese government is wayward and corrupt. However, the conversation was about Sudan and South Sudan.
It's ironic that he hates the South Sudanese government so much when he is just like them. Our government is literally full of arab worshippers who are letting arabs and terrorist to use our country.
Except it wasn’t, because I’ve made it clear I don’t speak on people but government. If other people argue people then that’s on them, my critique is of the government
Objective facts don't need to be argued, i clearly stated that North Sudan killed 3-5 million South Sudanese, that doesn't negate the fact that 500K-1 million south sudanese were killed in violance, and as of 2021 60% of the population faces food scarcity.
A more peaceful, just, and prosperous future for South Sudan can only happen if perpetrators of mass atrocities are held accountable, victims' demands for justice are met, and future atrocities are prevented.
This notion that you can put everyone in a box and say they’re this or that is a flawed argument…. We’re not a monolith, we’re individuals
Also, in regards to stoicism, it’s a personal belief, no country can be stoic. I bring it up only on how to argue and debate ideas, if your argument is fueled by emotion then you will never accept an idea that goes against your emotion.
In the words of Marcus Aurelius
“If someone can prove me wrong and show me my mistake in any thought or action, I shall gladly change. I seek the truth, which never harmed anyone: the harm is to persist in one's own self-deception and ignorance.”
Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
"I don't let outside events affect my thinking, my emotion and I don't let things get to me" watch him get emotional at the very first mention 16:01
@@72vince27 lol…. SMH…. Again not knowing the meaning of words and the art of debate…
If you think that “not being emotional” means you should speak in a monotone voice then I need to bring you to debate classes
I’m passionate about my way of thinking and I speak on it with conviction… the not arguing from a place of emotion is not allowing personal events impact your way of thinking and thinking logically instead of emotionally
Again y’all emotionally invested in these arguments for no reason, it’s a conversation…come up with an argument that is against mine, yet all I see is people attacking me as a person 😅
No worries Next episode I’m bringing my jallabya and Keffiyeh
@@arnabiarnab3037 Shush bro, I am not taking advice from anyone who has Spongebob's crib as a haircut. "Not allowing personal events impact your way of thinking" he says, I am sorry that it's kinda personal when millions of people died for us to be able to call ourselves South Sudanese. Next episode do a live stream of you packing your stuff on a one way ticket to Khartoum.
Tariq speaks a lot of sense. Populism can blind people and he is above narrow nationalism. SS isn't unique in the African context and the event that occured there are visible in all corners of the state - from Congo to Sierra Leone. Even people that share language, culture and religion (Somalia) have similar basis for secession I e. Somaliland.
Talk about Sudan’s civil war. The death toll in El Fasher reaches 134 amid deadly fighting.
Another banger podcast I look forward to seeing more
We appreciate you! 🙏🏿🤎🤎
@@ladiesofsosa Talk about Sudan’s civil war. The death toll in El Fasher reaches 134 amid deadly fighting.
best podcast about home
Tyreek can’t be president he like he said he can’t only speak for him self he wouldn’t be able to speak for the people. For the record the Sudanese people should have fought harder to overthrow the tyrannical albashir govt because it wasn’t that the south Sudanese people wanted to split so bad it was an ultimatum given to the albashir govt even president Museveni of Uganda talks about this in one of his recent speeches the ultimatum was that either the south Sudanese get treated fairly and have a voice or we seperate the man chose to seperate from us we had no choice but to choose our people and separate. I do agree with tyreek that we should always claim Sudan as well as that is our Nubian/kushite ancestral regional belongings BCE our birth right as Sudanese people. I encourage diaspora to group together and invest because our group economics is what will free us and give use leverage to control our future. Love to yall continue I watch every episode, wish it was more episodes a week. We should have voting polls. Can we can’t talk. People being embarrassed to claim their own people in the diaspora it’s like a viral thing here in the west to ask a Sudanese person where there from and they say I’m Kenyan or Ugandan as if that is their heritage. It extremely degrading to them and their people.
Absolutely.. I always speak for myself, and I’m self reflecting that I will not be a good leader of a country my ego is too big, I lack patience, I have no empathy and I’m not an effective communicator
My views are my views only, and I welcome other peoples view point, just don’t try to misinterpret mine.
Salva Kiir watching this episode with his fist clenched like Arthur
You all been on Tariq neck for nothing the guy is right our origin is Sudan and Sudan means the land of black it's our land and Arabs invade it
As south Sudanese we are made of the 10 sates of the southern part of the big Sudan and we become a country but or origin is Sudan but our government chose to name the country South Sudan wish is our nationality but our identity we are Sudanese black Africans period ❤
Thank you,
and thats where the confusion or disinformation happens.
Sudan is the name of that region that encompasis many lands. Its not just that country. Our history predates the Arab invasion, so i'm not willing to just give up 4000+ years of history because of a man made border
what relationship did the Nuer, Dinka, Lugbara and Luo and also the Karo(Bari, Kuku,Kakwa and Pojulu) Lotuko Azande and the numerous other ethnicities in South Sudan have with the Nubians of the North and how did we relate to each other as people and see each other as the same people and what not because there’s not much evidence that ties us together unless you can tell me a different point of view and show some evidence of our relationship as people in this Sudan region that you brought up?
Can y’all talk about the movie Goodbye Julia?
We’re trying to figure out how to watch it in America 😭 it’s not on U.S steaming platforms yet
@@ladiesofsosa I watched it on RUclips the other day but looks like it’s been taken down. Apparently they said it’s coming to Netflix soon
can Sudan really be classified as a whole region in itself including both North and South Sudan and what ties North and South Sudanese together besides some history from the 15th century and before?
The i dea tarig trynna pass is that if we are use to solve every problem with separation our problems will never end . Now dere are some voices in south sudan asking for independence do u think its the solution? The solution is in solving the problems not cutting it . Cause even if each tribe had his own country we will still fight each others as families even in ine family we will fight . So the problem shouldn't have been solved in separation but in changing the government
I find it funny how everybody in here thinks Tareeq is the traitor , this definitely needs part 2 lol.
I mean, (after bad leaders), South Sudan will be okay. Government come and go, but the country remains forever.
Tariq seems lost or ashamed of being South Sudanese. He responds to everything with just fluffy, nonsensical bs. It’s like he works overtime to be oppositional and defiant. Sad that he can’t appreciate the sacrifices of the elders.
none of his family members fought in the wars so he has no attachment to it.
@@raeraesocraycray7702 very true unfortunately most Equatorian are like this
@@Jlo14631 Most Equatorians ? Was that really necessary ? I know how you feel about he said but that doesn't give you no right to go at his people, he is expressing his thoughts , you may or may not agree with what he says and thats totally fine , at the end of the day he's entittled to what he thinks. Lets not be tribal.
@@Cypher_ngor his people? I am his people Bari speaker equatorian. I see this often among my community. But it is because people are angry about
tribal genocide committed to Equatorians and feel like the SPLA movement had it own agenda. But people need to know what happening now is not part of SPLA movement during civial war against Omar al-Bashir. Unfortunately, we had corrupt people wearing same uniform committing tribal genocide.
@@Jlo14631 Well , Thanks for elaborating your point. I totally understand what it can feel like being an equatorian , it’s sad and people like Tareeq who may refuse to identify with Southern government have right to choose so. It’s unfortunate our government failed it’s people.
Y’all went in for Tarique! I can see both sides here, where your guy’s point makes a lot of sense and agree with it, but tarique does make some valid points and I think he just sees things from a different angle, he’s not entirely on the wrong too, but the points can come across insensitive and lacking empathy for the struggle of the war and it’s affect on individuals as why things turned out the way they did and why were here today. But I’m 100% on the leaders shouldn’t be from the military, unless they have been educated to think in a philosophical way or has an advisory board that think in these ways.
Absolutely, and i'm very self aware that i lack empathy, thats one of my major weakness. Why i can't never be an effective leader...there's very few people who have the empathy to not allow power to corrupt their mindset, and me being from the military i know firsthand how we have a high ego and low empathy and tolerance... why there's military ranks and for the most part, we're able to follow orders withough question.
Tariq is a critical thinker who analyses things from a logical point of view.
Stoicism is not a political movement, it can never be a philosophy of a country, it's an individual mindset and a philospohical path on how to handle hardship/debates/arguments/etc. Its more about a general internal ATTITUDE towards things and less about the actual content of opinions.
Stoicism don' bear much fruit in terms of real politics, because it leans too much into idealism and as such its unable to posture itself in the forefront of a wider societal governance and the pragmatism it requires.
I am aware I come off as not empethetic and callous towards events, and see them from an impartial viewpoint.
Now, if everyone practiced it, then it will game changing, but thats imposible, we're all individuals and not a monolith, as such government should be created to represent everyone and not just one person
In the words of Thomas Jefferson
"If all men were angels, there would be no need of governement"
Sudan is US! WE'RE Sudan! Coz Sudan means "Land of Blacks." Not land of arabs, light skin or something. We're Sudanese but not north Sudanese we're South Sudanese, just coz the north Sudanese politicians purposely refused to change their country's name to north Sudan after the separation to make it clear when it comes geographical locations of the two countries doesn't mean or make us not Sudanese. It ain't that hard to get just like north & south Koreans they both remain Koreans.
You realize the guy you called last great president would look at you and me as inferior
I called Eisenhower the last great "REPUBLICAN" president.
It was in the context of speaking about his last speech when he warned america to not allow the Military Industrial Complex to dictate its affairs.
His feelings towards me has no bearing to what he spoke about and if i agreed with it.
George Washinghton would've enslaved me, doesn't mean i can't speak on things he did that moved his country forward
Separated by imaginary lines
I feel like you guys don’t necessarily touch on how Dinkas are holding back on the development of South Sudan … I get some of you might be Dinkas but it needs to called out
It goes beyond the government cause lemme see Tariq or any other South Sudani try to marry a Sudani. Their parents/family would never allow it 🙃 the discrimination is both systemic & interpersonal
You really think a south Sudanese person can’t marry a Sudanese??
lol, I was in Boston for a wedding of this exact thing….a cousin who’s Bari married a Sudanese
It happens frequently…. Majority of people don’t have hate in their heart or let politics dictate their lives
@@arnabiarnab3037 what did the family pictures looked like?
@@tjc8422
like two families getting together to celebrate the unión of two people
Sarah and Christine are very professional we love both of you. Continue to make more videos please. Tariq is calling himself Sudanese, while he is talking about South Sudanese issues. He is educated person, but his reasoning ability is really not there. Government come and go but the nation or country remains forever. By the way it was two tribes who were fighting not all the tribes. As a new country South Sudan will be okay after but bad leaders. That doesn't mean you(Tariq)call yourself Sudanese. Do Tariq know Sudan is failed state now.?
Again theres a distintion between Sudan the Region and North Sudan the country. I've not once ever came on this platform or any other platform and said i'm with North Sudanese governemnt. A man made border don't automatically change your identity, and i can gurantee you have family that live in North Sudan that you don't look down on them, and they don't look down on you.
My argument have always been about government not people.
Objective facts can't be argued, North Suda commited genocide 5+ million people, that doesn't negate the argument that after the split we were commiting genocide amongst ourselves as well. 1 million people have persihed and 4 million have been displaced, and to try to sweep it up under a rug and excuse it as "Well they did it as well" or "Were a young country" is disengious. Before i can critique another house cleanliness, i have to make sure my house is clean
A more peaceful, just, and prosperous future for South Sudan can only happen if perpetrators of mass atrocities are held accountable, victims' demands for justice are met, and future atrocities are prevented.