I ruined another GPU....
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- I was told by the XOC community that I wont get any farther in my OC adventures unless I lap my GPU die AND my LN2 pot... since I already lapped the pot... I guess its time we work on the die...
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JayzTwoCents next video: Building a Faraday cage because 5G is affecting my gpu overclock.
that be interesting if wireless really do affect the score
Next video: lapping all my 3090s with a SLEDGEHAMMER... oops
@@Spiralem When you are dealing with bare board - yes. It is designed to go inside a metal case that acts as a shield. Using it in open air like that makes it susceptible to EMI. If the microphone signal is strong it can cause disruption in the board’s signals.
But it is unlikely really. If you start a two-stroke engine nearby you would have immediate crash, but a tiny microphone with couple of dB of signal? Doubt it.
The chips from the covid - 19 vaccine affects my GPU score!!!
While wearing a thin foil hat xD
question that someones probably already thought to themselves if not already asked:"should i do this to my card?"
answer: *p l e a s e d o n ' t*
Yeah but with everyone not taking the risk right now, what a great time to go for world records, with no competition.
@@float32 or busting your card and not being able to get another. Well, not him, he gets them given to him on an silver platter lol.
we are well past the point for usual user for things "not to do" to your card few videos back.. -)
I did this to my 880 Ti and now I can time travel. As someone who has been to the future I can say, you don't have anything to worry about. Everything will be fine... unless of course, you are a human.
@@TheArcknight i see what you did there, 880TI lmao
That look on Nick's face saying "I'm done with this sh*t" 😂
rightfully so lol
Thats who was holding his head in the background i guess...
Yeah man, I don't have time to watch as much youtube as I used to, so maybe I'm missing the right videos, but he doesn't seem very personable when he's on camera? The Anti-Phil kinda.
5:36 When I heard the crunch while he was bending the 3090 my heart almost stopped.
Why he do that omg
He's just trying to bring back bend test videos!
Very weird flex and not okay
"Cringing sounds let me try it again"
🤯🤯🤯🙄
IM DED
I’d be scared to even hold a 3090
Jay: * *tortures 3090* *
I'm totally scared that I screw something completely up when handling my components so I'm extra extra carefully and shoo away my cats so that nothing happens. Then I watch JayzTwoCents, Linus tech tips and der8auer and see how they handle their hardware :D
*Totures 2 of them, implies to do it to a 3rd one*
Painful to watch to anyone who can't even buy a Card at all, still watched the whole thing with morbid curiosity.
When you get 10 different cards of each 30 series SKU, for free, you start doing anything u want with them
@@UnluckyDomino oh I wish I would have this many cards laying around. I would be like a kid in the candy store 😂
I have all care in the world with an 2010 HD5770, and my 1070 is better hold then my nephew... lol
Jay seriously you need to partner with one of the machinist channels on RUclips and do a video where this kind of thing is done professionally. Or that they provide you the tools to do it yourself. Using precision tools the correct way would go a long way at increasing your performance. I’m honestly surprised that stuff like this isn’t done more often in the competitive oc sector, or if it is I haven’t heard about it. Usually it’s just people with sand paper. Lapping something perfectly flat requires a setup with multiple surface plates and a lapping plate with groves in it that can catch the particulates left over from lapping. When done correctly you will be removing so little and doing it so precisely that the chance for catastrophic failure is minimal. You could get it so flat that no tim is required and the heatsink will stick to the die or heat spreader without pressure. Using the right gear you could literally take the best binned cpu and gpus you have, make them better by precision lapping, and then use a hot air rework station to replace memory modules with the best binned modules you have tested. I think you’ll break some extreme records doing something like that and it would get tons of views because it’s something interesting that people can’t really do.
As much as I agree with you, I also believe this goes against what Jayz's channel is all about. The mantra of, If this idiot can do it, then so can you.
Yeah while a glass pane is certainly the most cost effective way to get a very flat surface, actual precision engineered equipment would make a huge difference.
@@fakjbf3129 not alll glass in the same, float glass has a flat side and a not so flat side, true plate glass is ground and polished.
mechanics lapping granite is +/-.003, a small machinist surface flat plate is .0001 and better.
A precision ground flat stone would work well enough and be ahead of sandpaper by miles
U do realize if you cold weld 2 surfaces togather it can ruin the surface right?
Everyone: I'll never get my hands on a 3090
Jay: Let's break one EZ!
I think it would actually work just fine without that capacitor btw
I'm with @@dextrodemon it was clearly a show capacitor. That's why in always ripping capacitors off my stuff.
I have never even held a 2 series card...
@@SugerFreeJazz correct, most capacitors dont do anything theyre just there for show
@@dextrodemon non critical and for show are two different things.
"Perfectly Flat" -Laughs in materials engineer
Dislocations are ruining my overclock!
You're not getting good contact unless you use cold welding.
Smooth? Laughs in neutron star.
Insert Rick and Morty ultra level meme :D
@@davidluptak I have ascended
I have a suggestion from a mechanical engineer (love these videos btw). Try using WD40 instead of water when lapping. It will help keep a more even lapped surface with a better finish. I did a bunch of this for parts in the aerospace industry to hit 1/1000 of an inch on tight tolerance parts (a third the thickness of hair). I would also grab a high precision mic (not calipers) and use that to get an idea of how much your removing and try and use a flat surface on the back side as well. If it’s tilted like it appears in the video, that might contribute to the L shape you had when lapping. You don’t really care about the flatness to the silicon but to the die itself so keeping the die flat and supported will help you take material off more even with respect to the die and not the silicon.
Isnt WD40 a lubricant also? Wouldnt there be some type of flammable lubricant left over any circuitry? Idk what the flash point is for WD40 but that would be cool to use.
@@antiviruz42 wd40 is non conductive if this is your point?
@@antiviruz42 wd40 is used for some engines, it can even be used if you run out of motor oil for a very short period of time. plus alcohol cleans of oil without problem....
@@auros2108 no he seriously thinks 1. that the wd40 could be start burning on the card, and that after cleaning the card with alcohol there would be oil left.
The parallelism of the die to the card is irrelevant as long as the die surface is parallel to the mounting face of the pot. With the amount of different components on the back of the card short of making a jig plate for the card you would never be able to achieve getting the card to be flat on the working surface.
the sentence "I do have another kingpin card." .. that hurts right now.. that really hurts.
Jay makes a fairly flat sanding block, proceeds to makes it uneven with scotch tape ..
I’m fairly sure he used spray adhesive
He said tape, so it's probably double sided. Yeah, it sounds like a pretty bad way to do it
@@VeritasEtAequitas he said tape or spray adhesive
Tape is actually pretty flat. It’s used for machining all the time for parts that are too thin and/or too delicate to use more conventional fixtures.
Yeah he did say on the tape 🤦♂️
Thousands of dollars in PC and filming products, doesn't have a microwave 😂
Probably, does but heat gun scene makes it "comedy".
And then he'll crash his sensitive extreme OC runs when someone turns on the microwave lololol
Priorities man. Nukerowaves don't overclock.
I saw the heat gun and had to pause the video laughing so hard. Heat gun will work on a can of beans, stirring frequently. 😁
I expected him to use his GPU to heat the dinner.
But the heatgun was fine too.
5:36 What if the bowing demonstration is what actually broke the card LOL
it pretty much could be that, there was def. plastic being torn apart, if not even copper lanes inside it. the ln2 cooling hurts even intact pcbs much, i think he was just stupid and killed it there. i still dont understand why he uses over 200g of metal pushing down on the chip...
@J G thermal degradation of weakened material isnt just there from 100 to 0 in a second. also it was ultimately killed by jay ripping things of, but look at nick at the end, he had enough of jays shit. :D
@J G ive said he could, not he did. im sure the card would break under ln2 in the near future due to the pcb.
He didn't bend his Kingpin card, which lost the capacitor.
That wasn't the same card. The 3090 FTW3 is the one he showed bowing on, the 3090 Kingpin is the one he lost the capacitor on.
JAY USE A GLASS CUBE AND SOME GREASE TO VISUALIZE THE FLATNESS OF THE DIE.
Magic. Literally must happen.
I'm thinking perspex offcut or similar would still be useful.... but the cube tickles me a special way..... get the cube boys... and an offcut....
Next time he is going to kill a unicorn.
unicorn blood is said to give another 0.3fps - worth a shoot! xD
While overclocking a phoenix with ln2
I hope not they are a protected species.
Such a NFK
The unicorn is the national animal of Scotland. So if he is at all Scottish he would mourn the dead unicorn.
Jay: "Nick get the pot." "the MOUNTING pot"
Nick: "hehehehehehe"
Didn't know you guys were stoners. haha
I believe they *are* Californians, sooo... :P
I actually lol ed at that one.
how is this supposed to be funny? only boomers call weed "pot"
@@bofasofa9399 wow what a buzz kill. Have you noticed Jay-z grey hair.. He's not exactly a kid is he
@@bofasofa9399 You know zoomer, there's different terms for it. You need a better sense of humor. Good day.
Jay a few days ago: We don't have enough cards to give away a 3000 series card in the giveaway.
Jay today:
I mean he's not wrong. After destroying 3-4 cards he probably doesn't have any extras.
Gpu protective services needs to step in and find better home for these cards
GPU giveaways are a waste of time and hope
15:50 that dude in the background is perfect for memes like "holy cow i try to get one for months and you destroy them on a daily base"
He let Jay borrow it and he broke, then told him to fix it. LOL
Bruh. Amazon had a ROG Strix 3090 for msrp for one second before it was gone.
Yeah, I saw it, got the alert took less than seconds and... Gone...
I tried to buy it lol, I was too slow I guess
By the time u get the notification, you are too late.
This happens when you only look on amazon
Tru
I'm a 7min 55seconds into the video and I am very concerned already by the fact that while sanding you were basically doing a circular motion, rather than cutting the die from opposite directions
This is slowly turning into JayzLN2Cents.
Not that its a bad thing. Thank you for taking us along for the ride, and showing us what can happen. Weather that is something good or bad, its all part of the journey. Keep going, Jay!
Am I the only one that was mesmerized by the meaty tires in the back????
Haha definitely not!
Probably
Not mesmerized, but did notice. Shout out to Jayztwocars
They look used so I just assumed they were his old rims or something.
Pretty sure they're Jays semi slicks for his ZL1
Nick looks like his losing the will to live
15:50 Nick looks like he's so done with everything lol. Great video Jay, you'll beat that score one of these days
Jay's intro be like:
"To not go to where no man had already not gone to not before but later!"
Inspiring words, Jay.
Something we do in woodworking that might help is when we’re lapping metal to sharpen blades, we will color in the metal that we’re sharpening with sharpie to see what areas of the blade are getting lapped off. Same when flattening a board. Scribble some pencil onto the board to see if you’re flattening properly.
"we don't have a microwave"
Me: THIS IS IT, HE'S GONNA USE THE TORCH
Jay: *uses heat gun*
Me: *disappointed*
My thoughts exactly :)
Jay: Nick can you go get the pot?
*Nick unlocks phone*
Jay: THE MOUNTING POT!
*Nick unlocks "Business phone"*
14:50 i'm like "hey i know that waterbottle"... waiting curiously on the add ... guess i'm used to it to much :D
"ooh that crunchy sound"
K E E P S D O I N G I T
"I'm NEVER doing these xOC videos again!"
_five xOC videos later..._
"OK - so now I lapping my fucking dies..."
Hey Jay... Been watching all you XOC legends ( thats right i consider you just as capable as the others ) from the point when you and Steve first jumped in the ring... I really enjoy the way you've made all your own experiences into lessons. Something came to mind when i saw the pitting after your mount on the lap die. What if the thermal paste is getting micro bubbles in it, causing those sections of the die to reach extreme temps in an instant and damaging the surface. had a quick google and found this in regards to "how to remove micro bubbles from paste":
- Use centrifuge and vacuum. After mixing, do centrifuge at high speed, then place in vacuum, then repeat the steps if needed to remove all the bubbles. Big-size bubbles will be remove by centrifuge and small ones by vacuum.
Its a pretty extreme step, but if you find someone with some lab tech, maybe it'll give you the edge... It may be worth looking into moisture (H20) content of the paste as well.. Keep up the good work bud...
When he bent the card and it made that cracking sound, my heart stopped lol
Why? it's not your GPU.
@@basshead. so I can't have any feelings about it?
@@terakahn Worry about your own things, not some stranger's things on RUclips. Not healthy, bro.
Pro tip from an ex mold polisher: put some sharpie on the piece you want to flat out. Then you sand lightly and you will see the lower spots and if you are flat.
I'd be scared doing that with such an impossible to get hold of GPU. Bravo!
Just seen the end. It happens. Just something to learn from 😔
15:48 Nick in the background.
I feel ya man.
i was expecting an i fixit ad
"Causes it to bow slightly" -proceeds to bend board!
Me: *wince-cries in fractured ceramic caps*
also:
"Some sanding blocks are squishy soo we use copper" -proceeds to use squishy double sided tape!
Me: *micro face palm*
FBC14 algorithm is my choice, i dont worry about BTC rates at all
I hate tech people doing anything with any kind of tool, it’s so scary man.
PLEASE STOP
And lose out on fun content to watch? Are you crazy?
The tech gore is fun to watch :3
Another month still no 3080 :(
Feel your pain, another month and I still do not have my 5900X I ordered on launch day!!!
the pain will continue
Hit up the Newegg drops. I copped a 3080 strix with no combo. Just gotta be quick.
5:35 Crunch... the beautiful sound for solder balls failing.
Copped me a Rog Strix 3090 OC Edition yesterday on amazon. Finally beat the bots after 10 minutes straight of spamming.
ETA: March 19 :(
Nice. Have a 3060 TI nabbed end of last month ETA: Feb. 18 . You go from being happy to get the card order to having to wait on the card.
@@MissCloud9 ETA was changed from March 26 to Tuesday :)
A tip I picked up from other luthiers for adhering two surfaces together! Put painters tape on both surfaces then use super glue to set the tape together. Don't forget to use some superglue kicker to accelerate the process. Makes the adhesion point super thin, even, and easy to remove! Love videos. Much love.
next video:"i soldered the pot to the die"
Tape around edges to stop fine metal from going everywhere. Next use a dine small lapping stone or fine sharpening tape mounted on glass. Protecting the surrounding area from the fine metal removed is extremely important
Last time I was this early, CPUs haven't reached 100mhz yet.
Buh-duh-da-ding! Intel inside. Pentium!
Suggestions: Besides learning about "flatness" and the "3-plate" method, as you're lapping the die surface with your custom sanding block, besides changing the direction and method of lapping, also change the orientation of the sanding block, by 180deg, then 90deg, then 180deg, then 90deg, this will "zero" out any of the remaining variations in the sanding media itself.
when you pulled out the heat gun to warm up your lunch, thats how i knew you really are a car guy. We can all relate.
The sound of defeat can almost be heard in jays voice. After 200 + runs, can baby Jesus please just let this guy have a good run at it.
This all feels so wrong
Die or ihs, i wont lap, only the HS i will lap, the thermal compounds take care of the rest. No need to polish anything either
as somebody that knows slightly more than Jay about polishing something completely flat, this is so frustrating to watch because there's so much that I would consider wrong but this is pre-recorded and I can't give any feedback that matters.
I've used this method before, and it works. Always make sure the sanding block is flat first, that's the key, then by using this sanding method carefully, you can't go wrong. If in doubt on the flatness of the sanding block, you can always use the edge of a feeler gauge to check it. The edge of feeler gauges are spot on flat, so long as it's not cheap piece of bent crap.
Jays over here breaking cards and I still can’t get one. #jelly
Jay: "...but because when we do tighten down on these screws right here the board does bow.. *KKJJJJJ* ...slightly"
Me: *dies inside*
jay breaks a 3090.
on camera they look stressed.
off camera they laugh open a bottle of jameson and open one of their backups.
Jay: "...I'm not going to solder this on..."
Louis Rossmann: Sigh, thank you!
he would immediately loosing his mind
Watching this has cured me of my anxiety I get when leveling frets on my guitars. At least on those I can get new frets when I screw up. This though... hooboy.
Frets are also slightly cheaper.
I’m sure you mean well. However this isn’t even close.
Back in the mid 2000's lapping was not even a choice, it was a necessity as vapor chamber wasn't around yet... I lapped my Duron 1.3Ghz and an "all copper" cooler I had. Temps went 15°C lower.
All gamers want a 3090/3080 and cant get one....
Jay:" Oh, I broke another 3090... No Problem I have more!"
xD
3090's are in stock lots of places cuz no one wants to pay for them lol
I was watching one of TecLab's HOF OCing vids, they literally PILE the dead cards bro, jay is extremely conservative
@@TheNubaHS true, but still funny. ^^
Funny isn’t it ?
"me wishing I had close to a 3090"
Jay "Tortures a 3090"
*ANGRY NOISES*
Don't sand in circular patterns!!! lol
Jay: I figured out how to lap this perfectly.
Jay: I lapped it perfectly!
Jay: I broke it undoing a screw.
10/10
It's like a NASCAR driver winning the race and then crashing into a wall because they forgot about the brakes.
So Louis Rossmann is getting a call soon?!! lol
If we get a second Louis reaction video to Jay's repair techniques, that'll be enough
@@stoneymahoney9106 I wonder when Jay will ever learn his lesson lmao
@@mohamadmalullah Not too quickly, I hope. If we can get a few more "...NO!...", "It's not fair!" and "HEAT THE FRICKIN' BOARD!" reactions from Louis first, THEN send him to a night class on soldering ;)
@@stoneymahoney9106 Oh, yes, I almost forgot how priceless Louis frustration is when watching these types of things... 😂
Damn 2:20 , I was expecting pun "This the DYE and if something goes wrong, gpu will DIE"
is there really still a person who does not know about the existence of FBC14 algorithm?
Anyone else super happy it wasnt anything to do with the lapping.
Well done J, perhaps after this doa video about how if any of these extreme techniques couldteach us normal users anything, for example anything you did that would actually help real world apps, or simply that the mount being changed once a year will help etc etc?
Didn't it occur to anyone that the die itself could be soldered slightly crooked on the board ?
Could very well be, but for mounting the hardware it needs to be parallel to the board either way. It's closer to that now.
3:47 NICK CAN YOU GO GRAB THE POT!
i needa have a session with jay an nick, i reckon theyd be hilarious stoned as
dont forget Phil too.
Me, clicking on video: I wonder how he'll clean the abrasive paste up...
Me, when Jay mentions double-stick tape: okay, I can't finish this
No ifixit ad? Disappointed, also lapping a 3090? you're brave!
first reply
I hate it when i break things like that! Stuff happens sometimes. You are a brave man Jay!
I managed to get a 6800xt without much effort a few days ago, i feel like i've won the lottery
Found one myself but is £895, so figured no lol
@@cellanjones28 i found it for msrp somehow lol
@@Zeph0 nice, I would need to win the lottery to buy the one I saw. Its the only place in the UK I've seen with any in stock lol
Super fine lapping compound and a small round disk of glass (no corners ) will give perfect flatness. If really done right, the die & the copper sink will have to be pried or twisted off. I used to machine then lap various metals to +/- .0001in back in the day. In theory, if flat enough, you wouldn't use paste as it would actually insulate vs transfer. HUGE fan, love all your stuff...
I was interested in your cooking methods here, exactly how long did you hold the heat gun to the rabbit food until it was edible for the average human?
Pro tip from old school optical fiber polishing: polish in a figure 8 pattern. You'll have less work to do to remove the straight lines gouged by the abrasive grains.
heat the card !
I think the best part in this video was seeing nic in the background with the look of disappointment xD
What happened to the giveaway? Still no announcement on the givewaway page, it's already over but no announcement.
Which giveaway are you talking about? The GPU one still has 23 days left on it.
@@emu071981 There was one before it, which ended long time ago.
Jay, has several thousand dollars of computers, parts, and specialty equipment/tools for working on any part of a computer in his shop. Lacks a microwave, a simple creature comfort. This should surprise me, but in a way it doesn't.
Not like there's a shortage of cards or anything.
One card or even ten cards isn't going to change anything. You're thinking you'd get the card but that's ten cards to millions of people - it makes no difference to anyone but Jay.
Try silver plating one or both of the contact surfaces. Silver is more thermally conductive than copper.
You can check true flatness with a small piece of glass. Glass is as near flat as you will get due to the manufacturing process. Low viscosity/low surface tension fluids like acetone or methyl alcohol sandwiched between two surfaces will maintain capillary contact between the surfaces where they are closest, and with glass, you can easily see it. This includes checking two pieces of glass for flaws. Moving and rotating the pieces reveals flaws because the liquid "sticks" with the piece containing the flaw.
TEST RX 6900XT WITH WATERBLOCK AND OC PLEASE!
WHY
@@whatskraken3886 I Gonna Buy!
@@ramonzaions7522 i glad you buy
@@whatskraken3886$2000
Nick's face just says it all 🤣🤣🤣 15:47
I don't like this misuse of terminology.
You are sanding the die, not lapping it.
Lapping is removing the top layer of a surface sanding is a method for reducing the top layer of the surface he could have used a liquid abrasive or polish then it would be closer to the dictionary definition but they are essentially the same. Chill
@@sleedog11 I'm sorry you feel that way. I work with extremely tight tolerances, and in my world comparing lapping to sanding is like comparing a B52 Bomber to an F1 Race Car.
They just aren't the same.
Whitworth 3 plate method is what you are after for "perfect" flatness. However, you could lap the plate on the block against the die and they will conform extremely closely. Lap in a figure 8.
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.(John 14:6)
Jay this was awesomesauce to watch. It gets my heat transfer equations rolling through my head. It's all about how efficient you can make the heat transfer.
When I would go underway back in my active duty days, the colder the ocean water the more potable water we could make in our 100K gallon/day distillers. Also our main engines could be way more efficient! You can really see why the Nimitz class aircraft carriers were built for cold war era and not the middle east ocean water.
Keep the science going my friend! (We might be around the same age? [About to be 48]).
"... if you are talking about making a flat from scratch, without any master flat or expensive test equipment, then the answer is the three plate method. This is used in the machine shop environment with spotting and scraping and in the optical world with abrasive grinding (lapping). The optical world clearly produces the better or flatter surfaces as they are not only flat to the sub tenths tolerances of the best machinist's flats, but are highly polished and flat to within millionths of an inch."
>has thousands of dollars worth of equipment and parts
>no microwave
look up walking the barrel technique, its best way to hand sand flat, its used for lens making. thanks Jay for all your help.
Use fine valve grinding compound in a figure 8 on cold plates or anything you want flat. Then use fine 1500+ polishing paper to get the desired surface finish. I noticed a more consistent hight center to edge using a dial indicator.
Nick's face at the end was PRICELESS!
A single small cap very often doesn't have a notable impact on performance. For this particular use, you should get it back on though, you need all the noise suppression you can get. No need to send it to Vince though, just take it to the nearest phone or laptop repair shop that does board level repair. They'll sort you out faster than you can go get a coffee if you bring the bare board. Probably gonna cost you less than one way shipping to Vince, and you don't need to wait so long.
Leave the food on the front console behind the windshield of your car when you get to work. As long as you have a little sun, it will be hot enough to enjoy by lunch time.
15:52 dude's like..."he fucked up again, omg"
The Silicon-Ingot are cut/sawn into raw Wafers but later grinded down to the wanted thickness. At least that's what we're doing at work, don't know how TSMC etc. are doing it, but doubt they take the raw cut/sawn wafers.
"Die lapping" has the word 'die' in it, of course it's dangerous
If you are at all *serious* about flatness Google how DIY telescope mirrors are made, sandpaper and circular rubs are the best way to quickly produce a pizza base. Alternating with THREE *polishing surfaces* will prevent a single pair from generating distortion, one surface becoming convex (the lower one) and the other becoming concave (the upper). The right wet compounds _-not sandpaper!-_ and finishing off with a wax or damp paper polishing lap will give flatness measurable in nanometres.
Would a section of an astronomical telescope mirror be flat enough?
As long as the trace is not damaged, it's not that hard to solder that back on. But usually when they rip of intact like that, the copper trace came with it.