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I think its funny dream said "sorry youre offended that i rigged the vote" Like bro he didnt even apologize, he just shifted blame on the pekple for being offended💀
@@DisearnedNah, pretty much all older minecraft veterans like me absolutely despise dream. The Iceollager should've won, rigging the vote was a cringe move. There is nothing based about it.
To be clear, even in instances where the age gap isn't that much, there is still a power imbalance there. Dream had power over his fans who idolize him. He should not be looking to them for relationships or for sexual interactions.
Yeah, there's def a power inbalance, but theres a difference between someone whos 24 and someone whos 27 dating, they both are in a very similar stage of their life, but when you think about 20 and 17, when you are 20 you are first of all, a legal adult and have been for 2 years by that time, you let's say, already graduated highschool and went ahead with college life, which is very different from being freshly out of highschool. My point is, me, currently 19 I would not mess with a 16 or 17 year old, because teenage years are such a big experience when it comes to learning who you are as a person
@@astral_shooting I mean, normal is what we decide to define it as not what you're saying it is, and it's okay to want to examine what we as a collective want to accept and don't want to accept. It kinda sounds like we DON'T want to accept a 17 year old and a 20 year old if the minor feels like there's an imbalance and feels pressured. How would you feel if a really powerful person asked you for something you weren't comfortable providing? Would you feel afraid? Could you see a teenage girl being pressured into sending something to a very powerful adult? If you could, then that relationship is wrong and what Dream did is wrong.
I gotta disagree with the 17-20 age gap thing. It's not the gap in age but the gap in immaturity. A person two years into college has no need to be with a highschooler period. They're not at the same place in development
tbh i agree i dont see that big of an issue if they were already dating then one went to college bc that happens a lot but didnt he like hit on her while she was in highschool lmao?
@@programmer6428no, this is a valid point. a 17 year old is still in high school. a 20 year old has a job or goes to college. there’s a very different maturity level there
And then he cheated on his speedrun, which led to his fanbase harrassing, doxxing and sending death threats to anyone who had factual proof that Dream DID cheat
17 and 20 is definitely not okay bro. Especially with Dream's disproportionate level of influence and power. That person is in a completely different developmental stage in life than him. A three year age gap in general is not bad, but only if both people involved are similar in maturity and capable of consent.
yeah, if dream is in a relationship with someone younger than him it's basically guaranteed to be a fan who looks up to him &... well, he's proven to be insanely manipulative. i predicted this a long time ago when he bent over backwards to lie about something as minor as cheating on minecraft. normal human beings don't do that, that alone was a huge red flag for his manipulative nature, even more concerning with his huge, young audience. it's cathartic to finally see his reputation burn.
The problems with the grooming accusations are these: *Amanda:* Numerous people in her life have come out with accusations that Amanda is an actual pedophile (as in targeting victims preteens). In order to throw off these accusations against herself, she claimed that she was a grooming victim of Dream. I don't see much reason to doubt these claims, since the accusers in her case have provided more evidence supporting their claims than Amanda has with her own. *Anastasia:* Outright admitted she has no evidence that Dream did anything sexual with her, and wasn't trying to prove to anyone else that he had. *Burner 22/Jaime:** Burner 22 admitted that they've never spoken to Jaime to verify her story, and their only evidence was a spliced video that would imply Dream was grooming fans before his career began. Jaime for her part has explicitly stated that she's not involved with the allegations, and following the video being outed as fake, Burner 22 has abandoned the account.
@@ueIl yeah & that's a problem to a lot of people. just because something is legal doesn't make it moral. that's why laws change & vary from place to place.
well, i like the fact that you can use them to make signs pop out a bit more, but other than that, theyre pretty much useless and we couldve gotten a lot more out of the other options lol
Is funny how Dream contradicted himself several times during the Gumball drama just to try to make himself look like the victim lol First he said Cantu was his friend, then he said it was "someone he knew before the party but not a friend" then he said that he didnt knew him at all, and then OFC Dream said Cantu attacked him But on the uber ride looked like a TOTALLY different situation from what Dream described lmao
I remember when I was first made aware of Dream through him throwing a fit over Quackity and right then I just knew it was gonna be 1 of those guys that was gonna live with controversy in his veins. Glad to see I was right.
@kenpatchiramasama1076 True, at least with the further mob votes you can say it's not one mob but an entire update, but here the mountains and caves were being revamped anyway so at least 2 could have been added no problem.
@@averylongnameforabsolutely566 it's still one of the highest grossing games ever and they give it a small update like, once a year. it's not the most labor intensive game to work on, there's no reason for mojang to not even deliver what little they promise.
@@sunshadethedragon I'm still in awe at the fact that polar bears and pandas are even in the game. like imagine if they put their one yearly collective hour of labor into something that does more than consume ram.
Naw bro I live in Canada where the age of consent is 16 and a 20yo flirting with a 17yo is still seen as weird as fuck And I’m not gonna accuse anyone of anything but if that’s the case from what’s gone on at the high school I used to go to 17 is usually far from the youngest people like that talk to People do wild ass things when they get comfortable or confident Id also like to add the age gap isn’t the issue I have It’s the maturity difference Once you’re 20 or whatever you’ve probably been out of high school for 2 or so years and you’re and legit adult who’s matured and should most likely be trying to figure your life out Where as a 17yo is grade 11 I believe so still in the middle of high school dealing with high school problems, can’t drink or smoke and can’t even drive by themselves
The age gap between 17 and 20 is big because of life experience and mental maturity, because a 20yo can have more control and influence over a 17yo.(after 20 it simmers down)
@decas5505 "There is few limited exceptions. Per F.S. 794.05, a minor who is 16 or 17 can consent to sexual intercourse with someone under the age of 24. In that case, no crime is committed. Same with consensual teen relationships between individuals 13 to 17 when there is no more than a 4-year age gap." www.fortlauderdalecriminalattorneyblog.com/amp/does-florida-have-a-romeo-juliet-law/ Romeo and juliet laws m8. Dream didn't even do this, only "sext", which even then, that's not even 100% lol. He just did cringe flirting
@@Jakdisi1 I read the WHOLE document (Somthing apparently you didnt do) and it states the following: "However, once the older half crosses the threshold of their 24th birthday, sexual intercourse with a 16 or 17-year-old becomes statutory rape, a second-degree felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison. Scenarios that would be considered statutory rape under Florida law: A sexual relationship between a 15-year-old and 18-year-old. (Second-degree felony.) A sexual relationship with a 17-year-old and a 24-year-old. (Second-degree felony.) A consensual sexual relationship between a 13-year-old and a 17-year-old. (Even though they’re both teenagers and it’s consensual, the older teen can be charged with lewd lascivious conduct if they’re 4+ years older than their younger paramour. It might literally come down to the month they were each born in. Though if that’s true, the defense might be in a stronger position to negotiate a dismissal or far reduced charge.)" Also states the following: "However, the new law only allows for 17-year-olds to marry with parental consent - and even then, only to someone who is less than 2 years older than them. That scenario (a 17-year-old and a 19-year-old) is already decriminalized under Florida law. Note: Ignorance of the younger person’s real age is not a defense that will fly in these cases - even if they lied to you and presented you with a convincing-looking fake ID. (That said, such circumstances can be the basis for a more lenient sentence or possible charge reduction.)" Also is states how the law works and why this exists: "The purpose of the Romeo & Juliet law in Florida is to lessen the consequences for young adults close in age to their minor paramours and older adults who sexually prey on minors. It does NOT make it lawful for someone over 18 to have a sexual relationship with someone under 18. What it does is prevent the older party from having to register as a sex offender." OH and THSI is the best part: "n order to be applicable, the facts must align with the following: The younger of the two was at least 14 at the time. The age difference was no more than 4 years. The sexual activity was mutually consensual. The accused has no prior sex crimes on their record." HOW TF ARE YOU SO DUMB THAT YOU COULDNT EVEN READ MORE THAN 1 PARAGRAPH 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Been waiting for something like this since I heard and witnessed his rise and now what appears to be his downfall. I often wonder what makes it so difficult for humans to simply be good? But that is a topic for a different place.
Fame. Getting as much power and influence most internet personalities have these days is a slippery slope. You can go in with the purest intentions, but as soon as you abuse your power ONCE, no matter how small of a way, it's hard to justify a reason to stop doing so.
It's what people say "Power corrupts people", although it's the stupidity and the need to lie and deceit people that causes corruption in the first place. People take their own pleasures, which can be in many forms, into account, nothing else, which leads to abusing their power to get exactly that. Good people can exist, but most good people are kicked off their throne by the greedy and corrupted.
I'm sorry Lanza but I gotta call you out for this... Even though there was a few year age gap, doesn't mean its okay for a 20 year old to talk like that to a 17 year old. Because a 20 year old dude shouldn't be talking about being horny to a minor. Its NEVER okay to talk like that to a minor, thats being a predator. To a man, this wouldn't look like too big of a deal. But to a woman, its a big red flag.
nah its a big red flag either way. Just when you hit that 3 year gap people shun it less. Hell in some instances 17 year olds will lie about their age and it takes a few Months till the opposite party finds out then the adult in its made to be the villain even if they had genuinely no idea
There's not even a massive difference (emotionally) between an 18 year old and a 17 year old. defending a 20 year old talking to a *child* is gross as hell lol
I totally agree with you, but your end comment was a bit weird. What does gender have to do w/ this? Many men do think this is weird, just bc this one man said it doesn't mean all men think like him.
@@falcon_arkaig the thing is, if you go watch any other male commentary about this, i can assure you you will hear something similar to what was said in this video, maybe is not ALL man, but when a great majority makes this kind of comments, we can't be certain in who to trust. Also, I wanted to note that I have seen so many videos regarding dream controversies from male commenters and that's where my opinion comes from, from experience.
i really have to disagree with the age gap thing. Three year age gap isnt crazy… when its between two adults or two minors. Theres just such a large maturity difference between someone whos been out of highschool for like two years and someone who is still in highschool. Yes three years isnt bad in theory but when you apply that to the real life circumstance its a grown man attempting to flirt and have relations with a teenage girl in highschool.
@@deathtrooper2048 yes i would lmfao if you think i’m one of those hypocrites who don’t apply the same logic to different genders your wrong. being a man or a women has nothing to do with it. Its the fact that someone in high school is on a completely different maturity level than someone who has graduated high school. even as someone who is 16 turning 17 when i speak to older cousins, or anyone older in general, I’m able to recognize that. High school attempts to get you ready for the real world but it is nothing like the real world. and if you really try and sit here and tell me a 20 yr can have the same amount of experience as a 17 year old youre a fucking liar 💀. 17 yr olds in American aren’t even legally recognized as adults. Experience, jobs, being on your own, and stuff like that impacts maturity and if you genuinely a 20 yr old would be on the same level as a 17 yr old in that aspect your crazy idk
@@deathtrooper2048 and a person can change a LOT in a year, even in a couple months. As humans that’s literally what we do. adapt and change. and your argument is so redundant like why even emphasize gender ?
Two years out of high school is not that big of a difference. Their both still naive to no end, the only difference is one has a job (hopefully) and the other likely doesn't. Even then, some people are working while in high school.
whats really dumb is that Dream makes, like, a four page essay about whether or not he cheated in a game of stacking blocks, but when hes accused of being a pedo, he posts ONE tweet 😂
So, your only issue with him talking to someone who is under 18 when he was 20, in a flirtatious manner... is that it was only a 3-year age gap? Honestly? I don't care how long the age gap is, she was underage, he had no right to speak to her in any kind of non-platonic manner whatsoever.
@@EpicAndrew97 That's what I said. He had to right to talk to her in any way that implied anything other than a purely platonic relationship, and even then that's a stretch.
agreed. not only this but even if was just a 3 year age gap he's still got a lot of power over her as an influential creator she looked up to, which is shitty as is. adding on that she was a minor only makes this 100 times worse
It also depends on the countries, for example, Legal age for drinking is 21 in the US and Age of Consent is 18. While in the UK, Legal age of drinking is 18 and Age of consent is 16, same as in Spain. I'm not sure where the girl he flirted with is, but if she is in the UK then what Dream did is completely legal. Morally right? No. But Morals don't play much of a role in the law systems, sadly.
I dont have any particular opinions here, but seventeen and twenty is legal in most countries, including Canada, most US States, and every single European country. He has every right ironically enough, although you are free to debate the morality if youd like.
The only situation I was on dream's side was when started making fun of his face reveal. Idk it just gave me a icky feeling, especially when he put the mask back on. As someone who is already extremely insecure about their face, and constantly hide it behind objects or just have it out of the frame, it make my insecurity double when I saw the backlash of his face. He didn't even look that bad, he just looked like a normal person like me, and if people are going to be so picky about his face and make fun of it, who could say that people wouldn't say the same for me or even other people. Even if the backlash was more for the actions of dream before and not actually his face, it was still a dick move as there are many other youtuber who has yet reveal their face because they are insecure, Ranboo, Corpse, and many other mostly hide their face because they are insecure of their appearance. It just gives the impression that no one can show their face or they will be bullied off the internet for their appearance. It's just so dumb that so people were acting like literally middle schoolers. I'm not 100% on dream side as there are moments where he does dumb things and try to escape blame from which is a very childish move when he's an adult.
I feel like a lot of the dream face reveal hate was because he’s, well dream, and kept trying to put his face at a weird angle to make it look better?? I guess?? But dude beauty standards are a construct who gives a f I’m sure your very pretty/handsome
Its interesting. If he would never taken off the mask he would be absolutely untouchable. He did some very disturbing stuff after thr face reveal, I am very much aware, but the downfall already started with the mask thing. All this would have just pearled off of him.
If you’re 20, and you have a literal job and a literal fanbase it is creepy for you to flirt with a 17 years old because of the power dynamic. You should be dating WITHIN YOUR CIRCLE. I do agree that a 3 year age difference isn’t that bad and I don’t think that you should go to jail for it, but the court of public opinion will sure insult your ideologies behind it ESPECIALLY if you a full time job where you get paid millions.
I really disagree with your take on the age gap (to the point of it being creepy): 1. Dream lives in Florida, were the age of conscent is 18 2. The obvious power imbalance of someone with millions of subs talking to a fan, even if its in a non platonic relationship 3. Even if you made the argument "But she will turn 18 next year or in a few months", it doesnt matter because SHE IS STILL A MINOR 4. Using the age gap to excuse these behavior is some Yanderedev BS that he used to excuse his behavior like saying "16 years old are 90.23% legal" or something like that 💀 5. Leave kids alone to experience what they want and who they are, brainwahsing them telling them that "OH but that age gap between you and me is not that big" is just manipulative and borderline predatory
I really like Lanzas videos because he is of the only people who actually investigates and tries to be objective But his comment about the age gap is just straight up @ss 💀💀💀
Everything is so convoluted and there is something new coming out every day, but tbh even if all of these allegations end up being false, Dream is just.. someone who should NOT have the platform he has by the way he interacts and uses his fans. He is just not someone who should have so much influence and following, but alas, the internet is like that.
This is one of the only channels I trust to be completely transparent with facts and not jump on the band wagon of hate. I can really make my own opinion without jumping to conclusions with vids like this. Dream just needs to leave the internet for his own mental health and get some help. Bros going off the deep end fr
Ive heard the thing about Dream rigging the mob vote, but I didn’t realize that he was going that far with it and even bribing his followers by saying he'd follow them back, then didnt even apologize and just blamed his followers for not understanding it was a "joke." I don't care if it's a joke, I feel like the concept of fans doing anything their idols do to win their attention sounded like something that would obviously happen, and there's no reason not to notice that if there was a clear drastic change in the popular opinion for the mob vote switching to the glow squid all of a sudden I was already sad that the moobloom lost and knowing how far it feels like the influence was used, just makes the loss hurt more :( (i understand Minecraft is just a game and at the end of the day it's not upsetting me so much that its ruining my life or anything. I don't even really play minecraft much anymore, but it does still hurt that my pretty flower cow lost to a glowing squid. Just felt like sayiny this so no one would tell me im being overdramatic over a video game)
I first heard of dream when there was a thread on KF about how crazy his fans are, they drew a bunch of smut and guro of him and his minecraft "friends". It was largest parasocial relationship I'd ever seen. I even saw the fat dream picture way before he showed his face. It was just wild to explore how deep the rabbit hole his stans have made. When Cantu made fun of him in that Uber, I thought that was hilarious.
I want to confess, a friend of mine complained of exploitation by Dream & his 'friends' apparently they have some compromising pictures of hers & it really hurt her confidence online or trust anyone anymore. Dream is a digital groomer.
"it's flirty and it's cringe but its nothing too bad" Bro it is i l l e g a l, not to mention, what does a 20 year old want to do with a 17 year old, does he like people that are more naive? Perhaps he likes that they are more emotionally vulnerable and generally easier to manipulate and control since he's coming in as the "mature adult" with a 'job' and everything while she is still in high-school figuring out who she is.
I always wonder what makes people cancel someone out of a sudden! They had these conversations stored for years upon years but never bothered to speak about it and then out of the blue….. bam allegations over allegations. Maybe someone can explain that too me? 🤔
his fanbase is rabid its understandable someone would be hesitant to share that kind of info knowing theyd be opening themselves up to so much harrassment. this is often the case for any kind of public figure allegations. the reasons a person decides to finally come forward depends on the situation, a common one is that someone else came forward with different allegations of that public figure before them, and that makes it easier for others to do the same
It's simple, accusing someone that's famous makes it so it'd your word( a random) against the word of someone with thousands or millions of followers. Crazy fans will try to drag you through the mud.
love the vid, but i gotta disagree about the age gap. Had a 3 year difference in high school, 14 - 17, they were a popular writer in the fandom that i met them through, so there was an "oh wow this person is so cool and has followers, i want their attention" thing going on. Any relationship around that that isn't "I know/interact with this person cause they're my friends sibling" just feels so off. Its really interesting to see discussions in the comments, and that situations like this ARE being discussed more is good for awareness
i just watched someone elses long doc on him but still watched this and wow they left so much out! they seemed biased and now i can see just how much... people really wanna make him seem like hes just some dumb kid whose trying his best and not someone who continuously weaponizes and manipulates his platform.
3 years isnt that different. Ur both at similar stages in life living at home or in college or leaving college. 17 and 20 is very normal in most other countries.
@@kmn1778Alright, let's look a bit deeper then. Before all of the new medicine crap and increased lifespan stuff, the anatomy of a humans being only gives a lifespan of 30 - 40 years, with medicinal features almost doubling that in the modern world. That means than humans didn't really have too long to live and needed to develop fast if they wanted to survive to adulthood. Your brain also goes through rapid maturing around 16 - 25 which means that yes, 20 and 17 are very different. I understand why you think they're not that different though.
@minecraftsteve5201 idk about court I'm just saying in like regular life 17 and 20 isn't that unheard of to be dating where I'm from. Like in 8months or however far along later until she's 18 she just magically gains the sentience to flirt with a 20 year old. It's still a gap but it's not like he's a creep or anything it's more the fame and money he has that might be an issue
Technically it's not blackmail if he not demand anything from gumball. And his action is pretty reasonable. Holding proof against someone who have malicious intention of harming your reputation against them so if they ever attack you then you can throw the proof out.
Honestly a lot of the thing Dream has done isn't that bad and a lot more has not evidence to it. The only reason why people are saying it's terrible is because it's Dream.
The only thing I think is good about Dream (my opinion) is the song Until I End Up Dead. Technodad was okay with it, he loved the song, he was in the music video, and it was one of the most respectful ways to remember and cherish a friend. Everything else is just ew.
After watching this video, it feels like if you pitched this to Netflix for a documentary about his manipulation & how awful his fans are, they'd called it predicable or too weird to be true and would reject it immediately.
The question no one is asking is.. HOW the actual F%@$ did Dream even get 31.milion subs under 3 hears while it took Markiplier 12 or more years to get to that point is beyond baffling.
idk why people arguing 17-20 is weird cuz its not, now move that down the line to like 14-18 and its around the same age gap but one of them has an almost compeltely developed frontal lobe and the other is like about halfway there and its fuckin weird, like there's def some manipulation going on if that were to happen.
The reason I voted for the glow squid was because I love squids and they’re my favorite animal. Honestly it does add some nice features like glowing item frames. Dream rigging the vote still pisses me off considering I would’ve love to see either mobs get in.
4:55 playing the devil's advocate here you can't deny that geosquare was just trying to clout chase given he accuses dream of something entirely unrelated
Just an opinion, dream is a big youtuber, so if he wants to vote a mob, he can say it, and people can listen. It also isn't a thing where he's forcing people to. They're making their own decision to do it. While he's fueling the fire and his replies and apologies for the situation is pretty stupid, you can't really be mad, because u have Captain Sparkles, while on a lesser severity, doing the same thing for the Chillager. I do agree that the glow squid was pretty stupid tho. Dream should've pushed for the Chillager
another really good video from you. i really appreciate that you point out when a situation isn’t black and white, and show both sides of an argument. lots of people immediately jump to “this persons the villain!” and it seems you aren’t one of those creators! you put research into your videos and seemingly only present the facts. it’s really good! :-]
I don't feel bad for dream at all, he created a weird and psychotic community. This is what you get when you are the Internet weirdo or hand out with such people. I really do feel people like this don't deserve the fame.
@@Arandoman616He actively encouraged them and continues to do so, while simultaneously never attempting to discourage them from being degenerates. So actually he has a lot to do with their toxicity and creepiness.
I wish Mojang would just add all three mobs... like where's the point in not? I get having the community pick, but you could do that better.. like after "mob votes" have us choose the 'type' of the three mobs: friendly, hostile, aquatic, land, airborne, etc. and then make the three mobs based off that. Like for the mob vote, you already have all three in the files or whatever so what's the point? you put the effort into coding, modeling, and implementing them just to throw two away for one?
I was a Dream fan till the stuff after the face reveal happened. It still makes me upset that a creator I used to enjoy turned out to be a horrible person
me too, the wattpad and ao3 stories id read every 12am and the fanarts i dedicate hours to draw for him. Also always staying up late in my timezone o reach his lives and uploads. Most esp when he was still with the dream team (sapnap, george and dream) and also dreamsmp, the only thing that kept me sane throughout 2022-2022.... i am just... so sad now... :< I feel betrayed and heartbroken
I never respected Dream. But the mob vote... that hurt. We deserved the Moobloom. Whenever I see a glowsquid, you can bet that it will be dead in under 5 seconds.
Bunch of girls back in high school dates guys who are wayyyyyy older than their ages. When prompted, they just say they know and would still date because those guys seems more trustworthy. Should I....report them then?
Age of consent is 16 here (Europe)and you still would be seen as a freak if you are 20 going after someone 16 years old. The age of consent law here is mainly for teenagers who usually start having intercourse around that time ,to not get in trouble for it. You can vote,drink and drive at 18, but you are going to be seen as a goddamn freak when you date a 16 year old at 18,even if that person is of the age of consent
@@thecrustyargonianmaid Please dont get me wrong!! I was talking abt the Cantu shit! What dream did was truly disgusting and i would never EVER protect someone like that.
You’re missing the point with diminishing it down to the age gap, 3-19 have massive maturity gaps per year dream at 20 shouldn’t be comfortable picking his love interest up from high school just strange
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hi can i get the link for the reddit post from 3:36 please?
MinOr spelling mistake:
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Did you use Kiwifarms as a source for this video?
I think its funny dream said "sorry youre offended that i rigged the vote"
Like bro he didnt even apologize, he just shifted blame on the pekple for being offended💀
pekple is funny
the one time dream was based. people should stop getting so upset over a video game vote
@@Disearned nothing based about being a cheater because you can’t beat other people at a children’s game. That there be cringe
@@YodaOnABender huh? what does cheating have to do with a mob vote?
@@DisearnedNah, pretty much all older minecraft veterans like me absolutely despise dream. The Iceollager should've won, rigging the vote was a cringe move. There is nothing based about it.
anyone notice he apologizes for everything but in every apology he puts blame on the people he’s apologizing to?
Yeahh, he never forgets to shift the blame, he's very manipulative
Next time he’ll blame Obama for the Gumball controversy.
To be clear, even in instances where the age gap isn't that much, there is still a power imbalance there. Dream had power over his fans who idolize him. He should not be looking to them for relationships or for sexual interactions.
Yeah, there's def a power inbalance, but theres a difference between someone whos 24 and someone whos 27 dating, they both are in a very similar stage of their life, but when you think about 20 and 17, when you are 20 you are first of all, a legal adult and have been for 2 years by that time, you let's say, already graduated highschool and went ahead with college life, which is very different from being freshly out of highschool.
My point is, me, currently 19 I would not mess with a 16 or 17 year old, because teenage years are such a big experience when it comes to learning who you are as a person
A minor, who's 17.. Who's in a relationship with an adult, 20.
It's TOTALLY normal guys/s
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@@astral_shooting I mean, normal is what we decide to define it as not what you're saying it is, and it's okay to want to examine what we as a collective want to accept and don't want to accept. It kinda sounds like we DON'T want to accept a 17 year old and a 20 year old if the minor feels like there's an imbalance and feels pressured. How would you feel if a really powerful person asked you for something you weren't comfortable providing? Would you feel afraid? Could you see a teenage girl being pressured into sending something to a very powerful adult? If you could, then that relationship is wrong and what Dream did is wrong.
@@yourbiggestfan395
From other controversy of celebrities I have seen, the victims are often pressured to send something to their admirer.
Who knew he’d turn degenerative like his fan base
Totaly havent seen that with hundrets of other youtubers in the past....noooo...
@@ToxicMothBoi well tbh, he wasn’t that controversial, it was just fan base at first, then he made that crappy mask song
@@afoxytoaster Dream's face in the mask song is more of a mask than the real mask
I did.
I can’t believe I used to watch him, he’s such a scumbag
Really gross when people with huge followings tell their fans they love them, pure manipulation and borderline other things
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You know it's bad when Dio Brando is calling you out on it.
@@thegrimharvest thats what im saying💀🙏
I gotta disagree with the 17-20 age gap thing. It's not the gap in age but the gap in immaturity. A person two years into college has no need to be with a highschooler period. They're not at the same place in development
tbh i agree i dont see that big of an issue if they were already dating then one went to college bc that happens a lot but didnt he like hit on her while she was in highschool lmao?
tell me ur gen z without telling me ur gen z lmao
@nicknick493 yeah that's true but since they MET when he was 20 and she was 17 its just weird.
@@programmer6428 You heard it here first folks only Gen Z has opinions
@@programmer6428no, this is a valid point. a 17 year old is still in high school. a 20 year old has a job or goes to college. there’s a very different maturity level there
Nah, it’s creepy for a 20 year old famous dude to talk to a 17 year old fan of his. One is in high school, the other is well into his college years
Dream can't make new friends (confirmed)
@@Jakdisi1 Dream stan confirmed.
Dude, you're furry. There's a saying about glass houses and bricks.
I lost respect for dream entirely when he rigged the mob vote
Not to mention rigged it in favor of the worst option
And then he cheated on his speedrun, which led to his fanbase harrassing, doxxing and sending death threats to anyone who had factual proof that Dream DID cheat
I was always hoping for moobloom to win as I love plants and flowers but now we'll never have it. I will never forgive dream for that.
hostile mobs >>> friendly moobs
anyday of the week
Realest statement ever
17 and 20 is definitely not okay bro. Especially with Dream's disproportionate level of influence and power. That person is in a completely different developmental stage in life than him. A three year age gap in general is not bad, but only if both people involved are similar in maturity and capable of consent.
yeah, if dream is in a relationship with someone younger than him it's basically guaranteed to be a fan who looks up to him &... well, he's proven to be insanely manipulative. i predicted this a long time ago when he bent over backwards to lie about something as minor as cheating on minecraft. normal human beings don't do that, that alone was a huge red flag for his manipulative nature, even more concerning with his huge, young audience.
it's cathartic to finally see his reputation burn.
The problems with the grooming accusations are these:
*Amanda:* Numerous people in her life have come out with accusations that Amanda is an actual pedophile (as in targeting victims preteens). In order to throw off these accusations against herself, she claimed that she was a grooming victim of Dream. I don't see much reason to doubt these claims, since the accusers in her case have provided more evidence supporting their claims than Amanda has with her own.
*Anastasia:* Outright admitted she has no evidence that Dream did anything sexual with her, and wasn't trying to prove to anyone else that he had.
*Burner 22/Jaime:** Burner 22 admitted that they've never spoken to Jaime to verify her story, and their only evidence was a spliced video that would imply Dream was grooming fans before his career began. Jaime for her part has explicitly stated that she's not involved with the allegations, and following the video being outed as fake, Burner 22 has abandoned the account.
It is okay what U on about. The age of consent is 16 on like over 30 States anyway
@@ueIl yeah & that's a problem to a lot of people. just because something is legal doesn't make it moral. that's why laws change & vary from place to place.
@@Thunderyena exactly. And that applies to age of consent laws capped at 18 too
“thats some pretty messed up stuff” bro its a literal crime 😭
The glow squid is still as useless as dream is to this day.
At least the glow squid isn’t hurting anybody
at least the glow squids don't engage in useless twitter drama like every week.
well, i like the fact that you can use them to make signs pop out a bit more, but other than that, theyre pretty much useless and we couldve gotten a lot more out of the other options lol
sound of glow squid randomly dying plays while I'm mining
HEY IT GLOWS.....oh
Dream seriously though recording Nicolas Cantu while drunk when paint him as a good person yet it horribly backfired!
Me when I record someone younger than I in a vulnerable state to try and paint them as the worse person because I, the grown adult, can do no wrong.
Is funny how Dream contradicted himself several times during the Gumball drama just to try to make himself look like the victim lol
First he said Cantu was his friend, then he said it was "someone he knew before the party but not a friend" then he said that he didnt knew him at all, and then OFC Dream said Cantu attacked him
But on the uber ride looked like a TOTALLY different situation from what Dream described lmao
Someone else recorded him
He was having a manic episode while drunk
i gave him the f word pass it's ok guys (Also Nicolas Cantu is actually pan so he can say it regardless!)
Dream: "you're playing minecraft in the cave looking for diamonds, that's funny I'm in the same cave looking for minors".
I dislike mr girl but those bars are 🔥🔥
can't even play hopscotch without popping a rajer
I love that song!
*Thousand Yard Stare* Really sick beat but the visuals and meaning of the lyrics were sick... in the bad way
Also Dream: cause my sexual attaction to miners is major 🔥🔥
I remember when I was first made aware of Dream through him throwing a fit over Quackity and right then I just knew it was gonna be 1 of those guys that was gonna live with controversy in his veins.
Glad to see I was right.
Funnier was the fact Quackity kept ghosting him even after the 16 paragraph mental breakdown he had on twitter
@@fiendish9474 Okay, that makes the story even funnier 🤣🤣
@@fiendish9474i just 16?
My god, i feel it like s Textbook
Wait, what’s up with Quackity and Dream?
Glow squids are cool, and their glow ink sacs are good for building cool signs, but tbh I don’t think it was the best choice.
@kenpatchiramasama1076 True, at least with the further mob votes you can say it's not one mob but an entire update, but here the mountains and caves were being revamped anyway so at least 2 could have been added no problem.
@@averylongnameforabsolutely566 it's still one of the highest grossing games ever and they give it a small update like, once a year. it's not the most labor intensive game to work on, there's no reason for mojang to not even deliver what little they promise.
@kenpatchiramasama1076 yeah, and basing an entire update on one mob is not a good idea.
@@sunshadethedragon I'm still in awe at the fact that polar bears and pandas are even in the game. like imagine if they put their one yearly collective hour of labor into something that does more than consume ram.
@kenpatchiramasama1076Mojang moment
Naw bro I live in Canada where the age of consent is 16 and a 20yo flirting with a 17yo is still seen as weird as fuck
And I’m not gonna accuse anyone of anything but if that’s the case from what’s gone on at the high school I used to go to 17 is usually far from the youngest people like that talk to
People do wild ass things when they get comfortable or confident
Id also like to add the age gap isn’t the issue I have
It’s the maturity difference
Once you’re 20 or whatever you’ve probably been out of high school for 2 or so years and you’re and legit adult who’s matured and should most likely be trying to figure your life out
Where as a 17yo is grade 11 I believe so still in the middle of high school dealing with high school problems, can’t drink or smoke and can’t even drive by themselves
The age gap between 17 and 20 is big because of life experience and mental maturity, because a 20yo can have more control and influence over a 17yo.(after 20 it simmers down)
exactly, someone in college shouldn't be involved with a highschooler
Also Dream lives in Florida, were the age of coscent is 18, so its still illegal no matter the "age gap" argument bs people like to bring up
@decas5505 "There is few limited exceptions. Per F.S. 794.05, a minor who is 16 or 17 can consent to sexual intercourse with someone under the age of 24. In that case, no crime is committed. Same with consensual teen relationships between individuals 13 to 17 when there is no more than a 4-year age gap."
www.fortlauderdalecriminalattorneyblog.com/amp/does-florida-have-a-romeo-juliet-law/
Romeo and juliet laws m8.
Dream didn't even do this, only "sext", which even then, that's not even 100% lol.
He just did cringe flirting
@@Jakdisi1 I read the WHOLE document (Somthing apparently you didnt do) and it states the following:
"However, once the older half crosses the threshold of their 24th birthday, sexual intercourse with a 16 or 17-year-old becomes statutory rape, a second-degree felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
Scenarios that would be considered statutory rape under Florida law:
A sexual relationship between a 15-year-old and 18-year-old. (Second-degree felony.)
A sexual relationship with a 17-year-old and a 24-year-old. (Second-degree felony.)
A consensual sexual relationship between a 13-year-old and a 17-year-old. (Even though they’re both teenagers and it’s consensual, the older teen can be charged with lewd lascivious conduct if they’re 4+ years older than their younger paramour. It might literally come down to the month they were each born in. Though if that’s true, the defense might be in a stronger position to negotiate a dismissal or far reduced charge.)"
Also states the following:
"However, the new law only allows for 17-year-olds to marry with parental consent - and even then, only to someone who is less than 2 years older than them. That scenario (a 17-year-old and a 19-year-old) is already decriminalized under Florida law.
Note: Ignorance of the younger person’s real age is not a defense that will fly in these cases - even if they lied to you and presented you with a convincing-looking fake ID. (That said, such circumstances can be the basis for a more lenient sentence or possible charge reduction.)"
Also is states how the law works and why this exists:
"The purpose of the Romeo & Juliet law in Florida is to lessen the consequences for young adults close in age to their minor paramours and older adults who sexually prey on minors. It does NOT make it lawful for someone over 18 to have a sexual relationship with someone under 18. What it does is prevent the older party from having to register as a sex offender."
OH and THSI is the best part:
"n order to be applicable, the facts must align with the following:
The younger of the two was at least 14 at the time.
The age difference was no more than 4 years.
The sexual activity was mutually consensual.
The accused has no prior sex crimes on their record."
HOW TF ARE YOU SO DUMB THAT YOU COULDNT EVEN READ MORE THAN 1 PARAGRAPH
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Been waiting for something like this since I heard and witnessed his rise and now what appears to be his downfall.
I often wonder what makes it so difficult for humans to simply be good? But that is a topic for a different place.
Fame. Getting as much power and influence most internet personalities have these days is a slippery slope. You can go in with the purest intentions, but as soon as you abuse your power ONCE, no matter how small of a way, it's hard to justify a reason to stop doing so.
It's easy to just be decent, not even good just decent.
But it takes a conscious effort to be a genuinely terrible person
It's what people say "Power corrupts people", although it's the stupidity and the need to lie and deceit people that causes corruption in the first place.
People take their own pleasures, which can be in many forms, into account, nothing else, which leads to abusing their power to get exactly that.
Good people can exist, but most good people are kicked off their throne by the greedy and corrupted.
I'm sorry Lanza but I gotta call you out for this...
Even though there was a few year age gap, doesn't mean its okay for a 20 year old to talk like that to a 17 year old. Because a 20 year old dude shouldn't be talking about being horny to a minor. Its NEVER okay to talk like that to a minor, thats being a predator.
To a man, this wouldn't look like too big of a deal. But to a woman, its a big red flag.
nah its a big red flag either way. Just when you hit that 3 year gap people shun it less. Hell in some instances 17 year olds will lie about their age and it takes a few Months till the opposite party finds out then the adult in its made to be the villain even if they had genuinely no idea
There's not even a massive difference (emotionally) between an 18 year old and a 17 year old. defending a 20 year old talking to a *child* is gross as hell lol
I totally agree with you, but your end comment was a bit weird. What does gender have to do w/ this? Many men do think this is weird, just bc this one man said it doesn't mean all men think like him.
To us men
We called em mini ladd
@@falcon_arkaig the thing is, if you go watch any other male commentary about this, i can assure you you will hear something similar to what was said in this video, maybe is not ALL man, but when a great majority makes this kind of comments, we can't be certain in who to trust.
Also, I wanted to note that I have seen so many videos regarding dream controversies from male commenters and that's where my opinion comes from, from experience.
Never liked him, never will like him
same
Based
i really have to disagree with the age gap thing. Three year age gap isnt crazy… when its between two adults or two minors. Theres just such a large maturity difference between someone whos been out of highschool for like two years and someone who is still in highschool. Yes three years isnt bad in theory but when you apply that to the real life circumstance its a grown man attempting to flirt and have relations with a teenage girl in highschool.
Would you really say the same thing for a 17 year old man and a 20 year old woman? Nobody changes that much in a couple years.
@@deathtrooper2048 yes i would lmfao if you think i’m one of those hypocrites who don’t apply the same logic to different genders your wrong. being a man or a women has nothing to do with it. Its the fact that someone in high school is on a completely different maturity level than someone who has graduated high school. even as someone who is 16 turning 17 when i speak to older cousins, or anyone older in general, I’m able to recognize that. High school attempts to get you ready for the real world but it is nothing like the real world. and if you really try and sit here and tell me a 20 yr can have the same amount of experience as a 17 year old youre a fucking liar 💀. 17 yr olds in American aren’t even legally recognized as adults. Experience, jobs, being on your own, and stuff like that impacts maturity and if you genuinely a 20 yr old would be on the same level as a 17 yr old in that aspect your crazy idk
@@deathtrooper2048 and a person can change a LOT in a year, even in a couple months. As humans that’s literally what we do. adapt and change. and your argument is so redundant like why even emphasize gender ?
Two years out of high school is not that big of a difference. Their both still naive to no end, the only difference is one has a job (hopefully) and the other likely doesn't. Even then, some people are working while in high school.
A minor and an adult, one who's underage and ones who's overaged.
it's totally legal guys /s
whats really dumb is that Dream makes, like, a four page essay about whether or not he cheated in a game of stacking blocks, but when hes accused of being a pedo, he posts ONE tweet 😂
his lawyers holding him back fr 😭
So, your only issue with him talking to someone who is under 18 when he was 20, in a flirtatious manner... is that it was only a 3-year age gap? Honestly? I don't care how long the age gap is, she was underage, he had no right to speak to her in any kind of non-platonic manner whatsoever.
You mean platonic?
@@EpicAndrew97 That's what I said. He had to right to talk to her in any way that implied anything other than a purely platonic relationship, and even then that's a stretch.
agreed. not only this but even if was just a 3 year age gap he's still got a lot of power over her as an influential creator she looked up to, which is shitty as is. adding on that she was a minor only makes this 100 times worse
It also depends on the countries, for example, Legal age for drinking is 21 in the US and Age of Consent is 18.
While in the UK, Legal age of drinking is 18 and Age of consent is 16, same as in Spain.
I'm not sure where the girl he flirted with is, but if she is in the UK then what Dream did is completely legal. Morally right? No. But Morals don't play much of a role in the law systems, sadly.
I dont have any particular opinions here, but seventeen and twenty is legal in most countries, including Canada, most US States, and every single European country. He has every right ironically enough, although you are free to debate the morality if youd like.
The only situation I was on dream's side was when started making fun of his face reveal. Idk it just gave me a icky feeling, especially when he put the mask back on. As someone who is already extremely insecure about their face, and constantly hide it behind objects or just have it out of the frame, it make my insecurity double when I saw the backlash of his face. He didn't even look that bad, he just looked like a normal person like me, and if people are going to be so picky about his face and make fun of it, who could say that people wouldn't say the same for me or even other people. Even if the backlash was more for the actions of dream before and not actually his face, it was still a dick move as there are many other youtuber who has yet reveal their face because they are insecure, Ranboo, Corpse, and many other mostly hide their face because they are insecure of their appearance. It just gives the impression that no one can show their face or they will be bullied off the internet for their appearance. It's just so dumb that so people were acting like literally middle schoolers.
I'm not 100% on dream side as there are moments where he does dumb things and try to escape blame from which is a very childish move when he's an adult.
I feel like a lot of the dream face reveal hate was because he’s, well dream, and kept trying to put his face at a weird angle to make it look better?? I guess?? But dude beauty standards are a construct who gives a f I’m sure your very pretty/handsome
Wether dream is guilty of the grooming or not he’s still a creepy guy who gives me the infamous ick.
Building friendships = ick
Gassed shit
Its interesting. If he would never taken off the mask he would be absolutely untouchable. He did some very disturbing stuff after thr face reveal, I am very much aware, but the downfall already started with the mask thing. All this would have just pearled off of him.
why i stopped supporting anonymous influencers!!! they could literally be ANYONE
Probably because once he revealed his appearance, he made himself into a much more tangible target.
He could be anyone of us
I swear that one caveman films song called “I am a Miner” has a new meaning now because of people like Dream or Lion Maker.
just mc streamers in general really
If you’re 20, and you have a literal job and a literal fanbase it is creepy for you to flirt with a 17 years old because of the power dynamic. You should be dating WITHIN YOUR CIRCLE. I do agree that a 3 year age difference isn’t that bad and I don’t think that you should go to jail for it, but the court of public opinion will sure insult your ideologies behind it ESPECIALLY if you a full time job where you get paid millions.
Alucaaard
@@wtfhahahaha WHAAAAAAAAAT?!
Date within your circle... which is? What's the radius of said circle.
@@mikeoxlong1395 if the grades aren’t touching neither should you.
@@FinalWizard What does that even mean?
9:31 dawg this is still a child and a adult what 😬
not to mention the power dynamics not just between the ages, u kinda slippin
I really disagree with your take on the age gap (to the point of it being creepy):
1. Dream lives in Florida, were the age of conscent is 18
2. The obvious power imbalance of someone with millions of subs talking to a fan, even if its in a non platonic relationship
3. Even if you made the argument "But she will turn 18 next year or in a few months", it doesnt matter because SHE IS STILL A MINOR
4. Using the age gap to excuse these behavior is some Yanderedev BS that he used to excuse his behavior like saying "16 years old are 90.23% legal" or something like that 💀
5. Leave kids alone to experience what they want and who they are, brainwahsing them telling them that "OH but that age gap between you and me is not that big" is just manipulative and borderline predatory
In another timeline, nightmare makes good music and only dm adults
I love that you actually investigate things instead of just saying what everyone already knows
I really like Lanzas videos because he is of the only people who actually investigates and tries to be objective
But his comment about the age gap is just straight up @ss 💀💀💀
Everything is so convoluted and there is something new coming out every day, but tbh even if all of these allegations end up being false, Dream is just.. someone who should NOT have the platform he has by the way he interacts and uses his fans. He is just not someone who should have so much influence and following, but alas, the internet is like that.
I would be really curious how you feel about the controversies after the video dream posted a few days ago
This is one of the only channels I trust to be completely transparent with facts and not jump on the band wagon of hate. I can really make my own opinion without jumping to conclusions with vids like this.
Dream just needs to leave the internet for his own mental health and get some help. Bros going off the deep end fr
Not even the ukulele can save it man
@@Ghosty_Blues1Maybe if he adds a Logan Paul with a James Charles apology mixed with some dancing with the ukulele he can save himself.
Ive heard the thing about Dream rigging the mob vote, but I didn’t realize that he was going that far with it and even bribing his followers by saying he'd follow them back, then didnt even apologize and just blamed his followers for not understanding it was a "joke." I don't care if it's a joke, I feel like the concept of fans doing anything their idols do to win their attention sounded like something that would obviously happen, and there's no reason not to notice that if there was a clear drastic change in the popular opinion for the mob vote switching to the glow squid all of a sudden
I was already sad that the moobloom lost and knowing how far it feels like the influence was used, just makes the loss hurt more :( (i understand Minecraft is just a game and at the end of the day it's not upsetting me so much that its ruining my life or anything. I don't even really play minecraft much anymore, but it does still hurt that my pretty flower cow lost to a glowing squid. Just felt like sayiny this so no one would tell me im being overdramatic over a video game)
I first heard of dream when there was a thread on KF about how crazy his fans are, they drew a bunch of smut and guro of him and his minecraft "friends". It was largest parasocial relationship I'd ever seen. I even saw the fat dream picture way before he showed his face. It was just wild to explore how deep the rabbit hole his stans have made. When Cantu made fun of him in that Uber, I thought that was hilarious.
I want to confess, a friend of mine complained of exploitation by Dream & his 'friends' apparently they have some compromising pictures of hers & it really hurt her confidence online or trust anyone anymore. Dream is a digital groomer.
Yo what ru allowed to say about it
@@wtfhahahahaYes, I was given permission to warn others & retell about Dream's exploitative behavior.
@@Kioki1-x8p tell mee
I just got done watching the dream video posted a year before this, and after seeing how you format and present your content I'm a new sub!
"it's flirty and it's cringe but its nothing too bad" Bro it is i l l e g a l, not to mention, what does a 20 year old want to do with a 17 year old, does he like people that are more naive?
Perhaps he likes that they are more emotionally vulnerable and generally easier to manipulate and control since he's coming in as the "mature adult" with a 'job' and everything while she is still in high-school figuring out who she is.
I always wonder what makes people cancel someone out of a sudden! They had these conversations stored for years upon years but never bothered to speak about it and then out of the blue….. bam allegations over allegations. Maybe someone can explain that too me? 🤔
his fanbase is rabid its understandable someone would be hesitant to share that kind of info knowing theyd be opening themselves up to so much harrassment. this is often the case for any kind of public figure allegations. the reasons a person decides to finally come forward depends on the situation, a common one is that someone else came forward with different allegations of that public figure before them, and that makes it easier for others to do the same
It's simple, accusing someone that's famous makes it so it'd your word( a random) against the word of someone with thousands or millions of followers. Crazy fans will try to drag you through the mud.
love the vid, but i gotta disagree about the age gap.
Had a 3 year difference in high school, 14 - 17, they were a popular writer in the fandom that i met them through, so there was an "oh wow this person is so cool and has followers, i want their attention" thing going on.
Any relationship around that that isn't "I know/interact with this person cause they're my friends sibling" just feels so off.
Its really interesting to see discussions in the comments, and that situations like this ARE being discussed more is good for awareness
I keep forgetting this guy exists. Wish it would stick this time.
To be fair with the I message thing. You can turn off imessage and the texts will come up green.
i just watched someone elses long doc on him but still watched this and wow they left so much out! they seemed biased and now i can see just how much... people really wanna make him seem like hes just some dumb kid whose trying his best and not someone who continuously weaponizes and manipulates his platform.
im literally still only like 8 minutes in too hahaha good job dude
What's the other document you watched if you don't mind telling?
Ngl, the 20 and 17 3 year age gap take was the first miss I've ever heard you say. They two different stages of life bruh.
Transformers 4 fr
3 years isnt that different. Ur both at similar stages in life living at home or in college or leaving college. 17 and 20 is very normal in most other countries.
@@kmn1778 I don't think that will work in court, though...
@@kmn1778Alright, let's look a bit deeper then.
Before all of the new medicine crap and increased lifespan stuff, the anatomy of a humans being only gives a lifespan of 30 - 40 years, with medicinal features almost doubling that in the modern world. That means than humans didn't really have too long to live and needed to develop fast if they wanted to survive to adulthood. Your brain also goes through rapid maturing around 16 - 25 which means that yes, 20 and 17 are very different.
I understand why you think they're not that different though.
@minecraftsteve5201 idk about court I'm just saying in like regular life 17 and 20 isn't that unheard of to be dating where I'm from. Like in 8months or however far along later until she's 18 she just magically gains the sentience to flirt with a 20 year old. It's still a gap but it's not like he's a creep or anything it's more the fame and money he has that might be an issue
a 3 year age gap involving a minor IS bad what are you talking about
The dream face reveal is still a huge jump scare for me. Something about his face is just so uncanny valley
Technically it's not blackmail if he not demand anything from gumball. And his action is pretty reasonable. Holding proof against someone who have malicious intention of harming your reputation against them so if they ever attack you then you can throw the proof out.
The issue with 17 and 20 is maturity. Just don’t think that’s appropriate.
Honestly a lot of the thing Dream has done isn't that bad and a lot more has not evidence to it. The only reason why people are saying it's terrible is because it's Dream.
Yeah if it was some random person most people would ignore it
if I'm being honest, the glow squid winning was one of the least controversial things he's done💀
dont forget about the fact he was writing that confession in the bathtub
The only thing I think is good about Dream (my opinion) is the song Until I End Up Dead. Technodad was okay with it, he loved the song, he was in the music video, and it was one of the most respectful ways to remember and cherish a friend.
Everything else is just ew.
having the thumbnail say "REVENGE OF THE MINERS" is crazy 💀
After watching this video, it feels like if you pitched this to Netflix for a documentary about his manipulation & how awful his fans are, they'd called it predicable or too weird to be true and would reject it immediately.
Thats not saying much. Netflix originals and documentaries are often trash.
why would Netflix make a documentary about another adult gamer groomer
that's assuming that netflix rejects things
How awful the haters are you mean? Spreading rumors lmao
I didn’t even care about Dream in the 2020 mob vote. I just liked how the Glow Squid was presented. Plus the squids are underrated af.
??? they dont even glow
“revenge of the miners” bro i LOVE miners now they’re fighting back???
Dream wanted the glow squid to win because he wanted his “runs” to be more easier
17 is too young imo as someone who groomed at 17
You meant who WAS groomed right?
@@d-booya5089 yes
No one said you can't get groomed at 17
But the gap really matters here. And not just a rounded down "3 years". Years, months, days, in that order.
The animated memes of GumBall going “f-“ has been the best part of this event, I can’t even lie.
This kinda feels like a Chris Maclean situation, at first he’s relatively stable, but now he’s off the rails
The audience blindly listens to DREAM so obviously this is bound to happen.
The question no one is asking is..
HOW the actual F%@$ did Dream even get 31.milion subs under 3 hears while it took Markiplier 12 or more years to get to that point is beyond baffling.
Little kids
@orang9134 of course it's little kids ffs
i havent seen a single case of Dream talking to a woman his/over his age
i think Dream is a good example of a random person getting high of fame and sudden love from the weird side of people.
idk why people arguing 17-20 is weird cuz its not, now move that down the line to like 14-18 and its around the same age gap but one of them has an almost compeltely developed frontal lobe and the other is like about halfway there and its fuckin weird, like there's def some manipulation going on if that were to happen.
The reason I voted for the glow squid was because I love squids and they’re my favorite animal. Honestly it does add some nice features like glowing item frames. Dream rigging the vote still pisses me off considering I would’ve love to see either mobs get in.
4:55 playing the devil's advocate here you can't deny that geosquare was just trying to clout chase given he accuses dream of something entirely unrelated
defending a 20 y/o with a 17 y/o is crazy
The mob vote shows just how much influence over people Dream had.
"You either die or live long enough to become the villain" quote by someone idk who
@e92312no stop it if he even did what he did he certainly does not deserve to die like what are you on
Did this guy really just say that a 20 year old trying to date/hook up with a 17 year old isn’t concerning??
yeah I think he did; most people heard that and are voicing disagreement/discomfort (slight deadpan)
yeah 💀
It’s a 3 year age gap guys, this ain’t no edp 40 years of age or some shit
@@Arandoman616fr people acting like 17 to 18 is aagic thing
And here's why kid's i dont use twitter
tbh if 17/20 age gap supposedly isnt bad, the influence he has on ppl definitely is a problem so that entire thing is just not good overall
His army of Stans brought the glow squid into existence just so we could make another mod to spite Mojang.
Just an opinion, dream is a big youtuber, so if he wants to vote a mob, he can say it, and people can listen. It also isn't a thing where he's forcing people to. They're making their own decision to do it. While he's fueling the fire and his replies and apologies for the situation is pretty stupid, you can't really be mad, because u have Captain Sparkles, while on a lesser severity, doing the same thing for the Chillager. I do agree that the glow squid was pretty stupid tho. Dream should've pushed for the Chillager
another really good video from you. i really appreciate that you point out when a situation isn’t black and white, and show both sides of an argument. lots of people immediately jump to “this persons the villain!” and it seems you aren’t one of those creators! you put research into your videos and seemingly only present the facts. it’s really good! :-]
you gotta stop the turkey tom thumbnails tho bro
Can't believe you are actually defending a groomer...
You can't keep protecting him forever...
He’s not defending him??
Thing about the iPhone. Both me and a family member has iPhones, yet whenever I text them it’s a green box, not an I-message. 24:59 for this
I don't feel bad for dream at all, he created a weird and psychotic community. This is what you get when you are the Internet weirdo or hand out with such people. I really do feel people like this don't deserve the fame.
He had almost nothing to do with his fanbase being toxic and creepy lol
@@Arandoman616He actively encouraged them and continues to do so, while simultaneously never attempting to discourage them from being degenerates. So actually he has a lot to do with their toxicity and creepiness.
@@Eternal_Placidity yeah, but they kinda decided to be weirdos. It’s on Dream for not calling them out on their bs
I swear dream is starting to become a lolcow (or a horrorcow)
He always was a lolcow
I wish Mojang would just add all three mobs... like where's the point in not? I get having the community pick, but you could do that better.. like after "mob votes" have us choose the 'type' of the three mobs: friendly, hostile, aquatic, land, airborne, etc. and then make the three mobs based off that. Like for the mob vote, you already have all three in the files or whatever so what's the point? you put the effort into coding, modeling, and implementing them just to throw two away for one?
I was a Dream fan till the stuff after the face reveal happened. It still makes me upset that a creator I used to enjoy turned out to be a horrible person
me too, the wattpad and ao3 stories id read every 12am and the fanarts i dedicate hours to draw for him. Also always staying up late in my timezone o reach his lives and uploads. Most esp when he was still with the dream team (sapnap, george and dream)
and also dreamsmp, the only thing that kept me sane throughout 2022-2022....
i am just... so sad now... :< I feel betrayed and heartbroken
I never respected Dream.
But the mob vote... that hurt. We deserved the Moobloom. Whenever I see a glowsquid, you can bet that it will be dead in under 5 seconds.
honestly if dream didnt egg people on, i guarantee you that a good chunk of the controversies would not exist
Hell yeah 40 minute video about Dream
40 minute video from dream 🤢
40 minute video about dream 👍
@@YodaOnABender true lol
Bunch of girls back in high school dates guys who are wayyyyyy older than their ages. When prompted, they just say they know and would still date because those guys seems more trustworthy. Should I....report them then?
You’re playing Minecraft in a cave looking for diamonds. That’s funny, I’m in the same cave looking for minors
Miners and minors am I right
LMAO
@@peridotasadeadbritishmonar7924shut the hell up😂 I hate you that joke is so stupid but I am laughing.
“You know what they say, kids are cruel and I love minors!!!!”
It's so weird to hear people say that you're underaged when you're 20 since you're seen as an adult when you get 18 in Europe.
nobody at age 20 is underage, they just can’t drink alcohol in the US
@@ninshu9073 Apparently age of majority in Japan was 20 until earlier this year where it became 18 like most of the world.
Age of consent is 16 here (Europe)and you still would be seen as a freak if you are 20 going after someone 16 years old. The age of consent law here is mainly for teenagers who usually start having intercourse around that time ,to not get in trouble for it. You can vote,drink and drive at 18, but you are going to be seen as a goddamn freak when you date a 16 year old at 18,even if that person is of the age of consent
@@thecrustyargonianmaid Please dont get me wrong!! I was talking abt the Cantu shit! What dream did was truly disgusting and i would never EVER protect someone like that.
“Revenge of The Miners” got me dying💀
Lanza, I appreciate you sticking to your word on age gaps, but please consider how the girl was 17 (a minor) while dream was a full blown adult (20)
If he didn't showed his face he wouldn't have fell off so badly, and he also fuled the fire by making a parasocial relationship with his stans.
Some Dream fan psycho had Nat’s acc locked for simply coming out about what she went thru. Completely unhinged behavior.
We all are monsters at some point, and you were at that point.
You’re missing the point with diminishing it down to the age gap, 3-19 have massive maturity gaps per year dream at 20 shouldn’t be comfortable picking his love interest up from high school just strange
So thats why a squid won. damn.
I can imagine dreams response to this video with a reply; "This is not true and just rumors or it's fake"
If bro learned to stfu he wouldn’t be getting into drama all the time and people would get off his back, just like Sunnyv2