MamaMax: The Downfall of YouTube’s Lying Cult Leader
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- Опубликовано: 20 янв 2024
- MamaMax: The Downfall of RUclips’s Lying Cult Leader
MamaMax is a popular RUclipsr known for his series covering a multitude of pretty bad people online, known for his theatrical approach when dealing with the subject matter. However, MamaMax has recently become caught up in a major controversy, one that in hindsight should have been seen from the very beginning. Let's take a look at MamaMax and his RUclips career so far, and this is truly the end for the man, or the beginning of something even more.
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If I wasn't broke I would lol. Great video though! :D
Lanza it’s not drama but could you do a video about looking into Missing Murdered Indigenous People. Or the indigenous children still listed and buried at unmarked graves.
Please.
Thought the dude seemed strange… style wise and name.
Lerix has messed up more than one interview with his mouth. He does so good then he will just say something so ridiculous. He calls people reta*ted then wonders why he doesn't get a different response. Spencer is a grifter but popping off at her on that live stream was just stupid. If you want to get exclusive interviews don't insult them🤦
Genuine random question; Was your channel name based off of the Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza or is that just an unlucky coincidence??
The whole trying to be edgy and have a low voice is was annoying as hell
The mic-puff was the part that annoyed me the most bro :
@@Geiger_that and the lisp. Like I know people can't help it but once I started hearing it, I couldn't not 😭
Honestly NerdCity is valid for that
I've been watching Nexpo since 2019, so I was first introduced to MamaMax through Nexpo's video on KidsChat; I could barely get through the Max segments of that video because his fake low voice just bothered the living shit out of me, let alone sit down through a standalone MamaMax video.
@@kennyl4699 poor nexpo had to collaborate with that fool
Max with that goofy ass batman voice:
"MOISTCRITKAL STOLE THE LAST COOKIE FROM THE COOKIE JAR, HE'S A POOPYHEAD AND A MEANIE-BOBEENIE"
Lol "I COULD CANCEL YOU IF I WANTED TO. I'M THE PEDO HUNTER."
@syntheticteapot comes off as Max threatening to slander the guy as a pedophile.
Shaming him for not talking about his shitty videos isn't gonna do it.
“Meanie-bobeenie” 💀💀💀
I read that in that stupid ass deep voice Max does
Yeah I'm gonna have a hard time believing your story is real if you're telling it in a stupid batman voice filter.
I always hated Max. Going about such serious subject matter and making it edgy and Hotline Miami themed is just wrong. His bullshit almost ruined Hotline Miami for me.
Just think of it as an additional fan member that is just very edgy
It's not even the point he's trying to make his content look like that, he try making a typa analog horror series 💀
Personally, I vibed with him for a while since I discovered his channel right after finishing the games so I was hooked.
But honestly... He wants to be Jacket so badly, however he missed the point. He's not even one of the fans. More of a Manny Pardo.
@@kubz1570Gotta get a grip😲
@@kubz1570 Hell, Manny Pardo is somehow more likeable than Max. At least Manny had some fucked up personality issues to blame on how he was, Max is just a manipulative prick
The thing that disgusts me the most is Max choosing to help Spencer instead of a victim with a child that had to BEG for diapers and food on the internet.
He's all bark about helping children but if the victim has a child and is visibly struggling he's immediately silent about it?? 🤨
What's worse is that this was all avoidable. None of this needed to happen. Spencer went to him 2 or 3 years ago about Camden and Max put it on the back burner.
He claims that it's an urgent situation but he neglected it for years. The statute of limitations for what Camden allegedly did ran out while Max did nothing.
Max doesn't care about getting justice for anyone. Max wants to blow this up as big as possible so he can garner more Patreon subs out of this. It's about money.
There is no legitimate reason Max has for not taking it to the proper authorities as soon as possible to get justice for Spencer. None.
I don't believe Spencer is real, this story seems like fake edgy bull. I mean, vampire cult groomer? Years and all I know is the guys name? All I've ever seen is some cringe video of a black dude with fake vampire teeth...
Because he actually knows Spencer and has known her for years. Which makes his motives suspicious AF.
Because the girl with the baby isn't fucking Max. Spencer for sure is.
Because he doesn't wanna help a woman with child, only a single "victim" he can try to get with after "helping" them. He's banging the chick that's moved in
Why does he wanna be the main character so damn bad
Narcism and a God complex.
Selfishness really. He thinks the world revolves around him when in reality he’s like the rest of us, a spec in the grand scheme of things. I don’t know why he tries so hard to make everything be focused on him.
Narcissist gonna narcissist
Yes!!!! This is the comment is was looking for. He has such an obvious and egregious case of main character syndrome. He estimates himself to be 99% more important than he is, at the least.
He wants to be the main character but then also gets mad when Muta says he is the spokesperson for this "case" lol
Homeboy has Chat GPT as his lawyer, and he talks with a batman voicechanger. Could you imagine if Chris Hanson did any of that?
At least Hanson has decades of professional experience and an actual credible resume behind him lmao
Chris Hansen wouldn't be where he is today.
I don’t think Chris Hansen ever did much to help kids (he does make for good guilty pleasure tv tho) but this guy makes Chris look incredibly competent.
HANSEN has the same experience as your local weatherman.@chompchompchangbin
@@DystOptimist it's still better than some guy like Max ngl
MamaMax wanted to be like the Chris Hanson of RUclips. Not to actually expose these monsters but instead for the game and attention!
Seems like he nailed it.
They're both very different flavors of buffoons, although I will say Max's flavor of incompetence is a lot more unhinged.
Can I be honest, maybe back then Chris had this motive of exposing sick people but now these days it's all for show, and barely any prosecution
I say they are not much different
The real predator catchers are those who actually involve law enforcement for a greater good
So...he was exactly like Chris Hanson, then
@@TimmehJay yep pretty much, there is no difference, maybe we might have a Chris Hansen downfall
Thank you for including that bit about him not knowing Ghislaine Maxwell. I heard that live and it stunned me. It just isn't possible to be any kind of activist against sex trafficking and not know that monsters name.
Really shows how much he cares about the issue vs making himself look like a saviour by propping himself up as a hero against these issues as a simple backdrop
I did like a triple take when I heard him say that when watching, like how does he not know about literally the biggest case of child trafficking since Epstein (was killed)
@@Lanza00 !!!!!! Because he's a fraud. It's the depressing truth.
@@chanr9531 100%. It was such an honest look into his mind. If he cared as much as he says he would have at least been aware of her. He looked like such a foolish fraud saying that.
So Max has had his head up his ass since 2006 when Epstein got arrested or since 2019 when he got roped.
I can't get over how MamaMax is floored that you need silly things like "evidence" instead of just shooting from the hip based on a person's word alone
Which is ironic considering he said his exes' spoken word wasn't good enough to be used against him but his word is.
Exactly, it's ridiculous enough when a normal person has that mindset, but when someone who has been "falsely accused" before also has that mindset after the fact, it's crazy!
Someone who can’t understand such basic concept should not be anywhere near dealing with these highly sensitive cases
@@chanr9531what???
You telling me I need actual evidence to call someone a pedo?
Yes him saying "oh now you need EVIDENCE!" like it's so unfair yet immediately says "there's no proof" when people make accusations against him. I guess he's guilty according to him
Why is it always people who are obsessed with other people being creeps who end up being creeps?
Projection
Obsessions leads to a down fall of mental health and delusions
Projection and deflection.
Projection and delusions.
It puts the spotlight away from them and at the same time validates their thoughts that "they aren't like the other creeps"
i used to be a viewer of his, mostly due to his predator hunting stuff, seeing him exposed as this garbage human being is really sad
You really couldn't tell? I could tell he was up to no good from the minute I saw him.
@@HeinousMarlborough when youre really mentally ill and a victim of CSA you get a bit blinded by red flags until pointed out by others. As an ex viewer I had a hard time believing it. Thought the dramatization was just for show but not actually serious. now we know je's really delusional from all the evidence.
it makes sense, i tend to think those that expose trash tend to be trash aswell, case sensitive of course but overall.
@@HeinousMarlborougheverybody’s saying that now but nobody was saying that three years ago. Hindsight is 20/20 and it’s always easier to act like you knew better when you’re not as close to the situation
@@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395
Come on, dude used a Batman voice filter, you can smell something was wrong with this guy a mile away.
The scariest part of this whole saga is that it's hard to tell whether he's just a scam artist or legit dense enough to not realize what exactly he's doing.
Edit: After more info has come out, it's definitely both as others have said. He completely falls apart when questioned by anyone, especially when it's with people who know a lot about the situation.
Na he definitely knows what he’s doing. he’s just a narcissistic petty whiny little man.
I think there's something wrong with him mentally. I have a high suspicion this guy is a true sociopath with the way he lies
Or somehow both.
@@heccers1998 true
People are exposing that his past videos are faked, what a fucking fraudster
Thank you for calling him a cult leader, he acts so much like one it’s crazy
So creepy he refers to his fans as his “children”. When I first heard it in a video I immediately got the creep vibes
@@chanr9531 don't forget he uses words like "we" and "us" when telling the stories. Just to add that little extra parasocial relationship with his fans.
The extreme "think of the children" and black-and-white thinking is a huge red flag, too. Whenever someone tries to bring in nuance in discussions he pushes a false dichotomy that always puts himself on top
It's his dream job. 🤩🤩🤩
Mamamamamamax is the type of guy who says he hate AI but use AI as his lawyer and legal advice
mamamamamax omg 😭😭 i tried to say that out loud and sounded like a dumbass LMFAO
I’m surprised to took people years just to realize how much of an unhinged grifter this guy is. Years ago I merely questioned this guy’s authenticity and just how I thought his editing stuff was too over the top/distasteful for extremely traumatizing situations and I was completely dogpiled for having this take. Among that I was accused of being a predator for having this take despite being a victim myself. Well I guess better late than never, I just this would have all happened years ago because the signs were always there. Max just bit way more than he can chew this time.
Yea it's like when I was looking into that Prey music video and there were comments that were praising it and I'm like "bruh even then you didn't think this sucked??" And besides that he always gave strange vibes
My goodness I'm sorry to hear that you had to deal with a mess like mamamax
Y'know what the most ironic part about this is?
If I recall, he was actually called out by a few of his exes for some scummy behavior, and for that video he completely dropped the editing altogether. So he knows how to be serious when it's HIM who's at stake.
I feel / have felt the same way about all of this
@@StrawberryCocoaPowder I might have been able to actually comment on his song if his sound mixing wasn't complete ass. Couldn't hear his lyrics worth a damn. It was only later that I learned how cringe they were.
As a victim of child SA, I absolutely hate how he’s handling this. Whether Spencer is a victim or not, they are handling this poorly. With his stupid Batman voice and cringe editing, They’re making CSA seem like a joke. It’s super offensive to actual victims.
If what Spencer says is true she belongs in prison. She says Camden lived in Georgia and the age of consent in that state is 16. She was 16 when she went missing so a relationship between the two wasn't illegal. I personally think such a relationship is sleazy and gross but the law matters, not my opinion. The problem is that she also claims she help lure more victims for Camden to abuse and by doing so she's admitting to serious crimes.
I think Spencer may have ran away from home to be with her internet boyfriend. Maybe their online relationship involved pretending they were werewolves and vampires and things like that. I don't buy all the stuff about a cult with hundreds of members though.
@mystic_scythepretty sure you can't do that in the UK and most civilised countries
spencer is a obvious fat clout goblin who has known mamamamax since childhood. cmon
No you are not.
@@aarons6935 you were never there with them be quiet it
Him not knowing who Ghislaine Maxwell is hilarious considering how much he “cares” about international child trafficking.
Max thought people liked him more than Charlie ☠️
Him going that he could get him canceled over and over just felt unhinged and like a bad case of main character energy
Both of them are cringey
People like Max make me sick. A lot of us survivors engaged with his content because it was cathartic to see someone go after pedos without "kid gloves" on. To find out it's all fake, and that the current survivors like Spencer appear to be falsifying or faking things outright, it's such a shame. Immensely sad.
He took off the kid gloves and sniffed them.
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon that's gross 🤢
Yea this destroyed me. I looked up Max due to my own trauma. But in the end it was fake and feels like it was just done for money.
It's the fact he used real victims with editing that is found in fiction. If it's real act like it. If it's fiction say it.
Mamamax is the smartest, most creative, most trustworthy, honest person on youtube. at least according to Mamamax.
Mama Max is God, according to Mama Max.
MamaMax is a really good activist, according to MamaMax.
Mamamax is God’s true child, according to Mamamax
Mamamax is the entire multiverse, according to Mamamax
_"I am the surgeon! I am da surgeon!"_ says Mamamax calmly.
"chat gpt understands the legal system." is a wild ass sentence. I hate to tell you bro, but AI can't even understand how spaghetti works
Have you ever tried to run a recipe thru ai? I’m a baker & my friend asked me to make something just for funsies. It was a cluster fuck. & that was cookies. I can only imagine what it would do to legal documents.
@@incredibleedibledez honestly that sounds like a fun activity: get a bunch of friends together and try to make a chaotic ai recipe
@@glennaschoeler oh my god yes! We had a blast. It was really funny. But legal documents-not so much funny.
He’s always gave unhinged vibes. What surprises me is how he admitted to sending self harm wounds to his ex girlfriend or someone who he was stalking and for some reason everyone let that slide bc he “calls out pred*tors” he obviously has a personality disorder
He was never dating Hailey. He was a obsessed incel. Literally stalking her. She actually went to the police.
He always gave off greedy, narcissistic egomaniac vibes to me.
Never liked him because he weaponized his fanbase against people, didn't seem to genuinely care about what he talked about, his massive ego, and that annoying ass batman voice.
What he did to Hailey and Magnetar nailed his coffin for me.
There was something off about him that made me sick to my stomach for some reason, his mannerisms and way he talked, now I know why.
Hopefully people can learn to look past shitty people and their behaviour just because they’re “saving the kids”, because more likely than not, their character is often times a reflection of why they’re doing predator catching in the first place and a lot of these guys are either only in it for clout and money or they’re also unhinged and see themselves as some kind of saviour/god, none of which are what you want to deal with such sensitive situations
Yes. He is so creepy and I feel awful for his girlfriend. Just from watching these few videos I get the idea that he only keeps people around to use them.
1:10:02 as a person who just freshly graduated high school not too long ago, I can assure you chat GPT is the worst tool you can be using in the court of law chat GPT has a tendency to twist definitions and other events that happen
Exactly. I even tested it, way before this video but I was checking if it could search up true crime cases. ChatGPT would make up cases that didn’t even exist, with fake names and dates that you couldn’t find online.
So the fact Max stone face took ChatGPT as a legal outlet already shown you cannot trust this dude to help children.
As a person who trains AI on the side - you're right. There's a limited database (by year), it sparses the incorrect information sometimes, and it often requires fact-checking/editing by humans that actually have knowledge in the area. Most bots are actually instructed to refuse legal advice or in-depth legal discussion for this reason.
It has literally made up legal cases that some moronic lawyers used in an actual case as an example, yeah, using ChatGPT for this sort of thing makes you look like an idiot
A lawyer got penalized over a case brief bc Chatgpt cited cases that weren't real...
The first red flag the judge noticed?
"Created by Chatgpt"
And make up shit too.
There was that case awhile back where they found lawyers used chat GPT to write their case for them, and it made up a completely fabricated citrons (Legal Eagal did a video on it if you're interested)
I’ve always thought he was cringe and constantly rolled my eyes at him. Of course back then if you said anything critical of him there would be tons of people replying “imagine thinking catching predators is cringe”. It’s always been this perfect scapegoat.
This. I thought what he was doing was preposterous and more than a little off-putting given the subject matter but I kept my mouth shut because of the reaction you mention.
Same here, I remember Nexpo recommending him but I couldn't stand his videos, the stylization was so pompous and totally tonally dissonant from the serious subject matter.
I'm still pissy about the magnetar situation:
Dude that had ALL of the evidence about how max is a manipulation jerk but all of it was drop by a single, false accusation of being sexually into children, the video that was exposing his crudy behavior got shelved, and the guy got almost his entire life ruined
He got harassed, (both publuc and in work)
, making fall into a negative emotional spiral, &
Some of his friends & colleagues got distant from him (some even cutting tied PERMANENTLY.)
It's great that this guy is getting karma'd.
Sniperwolf is a spoiled brat, max, on the other hand, is a dumb psychotic "cult" leader.
(reason as to why I'm putting it in quotations is because he even fails at that.)
Sniper wolf is more than just a spoiled brat given her armed robbery charges and recent doxxing and stalking activity towards Jacksfilms, but Mamamax cranks that shit up into being Onision 2.0
@chibiredhead7082 yes, she's a neurotic psycho. So is mamamax. I hate how the internet let's bad people have such a power over a large group.
It’s definitely satisfying seeing Max finally get his comeuppance after all the harm he’s caused
Sniperwolf is more than just a spoiled brat. Have you seen those videos where she was talking to children on Omegle and asking them to twerk and perform weird sexual acts? And in some cases in exchange for showing minors her boobs?
This is alongside the cheating, doxxing, attempted armed robbery, thievery, etc.
Unfortunately from what I heard 4 out of the 5 girls got proven wrong.
There was one that had a police report on Max, but idk where that went
I've noticed these predators like calling themselves mom, dad, etc.
That should probably been the first red flag.... Especially since its a GROWN MAN.
Who are you referring to? Camden was 18. Far from a grown man. If you're talking about Max, yeah.
@@leileyaravencroft u really needed to ask this??
@@leileyaravencroft Omfg 18 YEARS OLD IS A LEGAL ADULT BY LAW... As in if an 18 year old went after anyone under the age of 18.... That's predatory behavior.
Bruh you need help.
I know he's making a papa franku reference with the mamamax stuff, and a hotline miami reference with calling his fans "children", but it's still kinda icky
@@FinkDaMushyCat An 18 year old dating a 16 or 17 year old isn't predatory behavior. In many countries 18 year olds are still finishing high school and have friends and classmates who are one or two years younger.
Max constantly kicking people from calls when he doesn't wanna answer their questions is such bratty behavior.
i began following MamaMax when I was ~15 or so because I was drawn by his claim to want justice for victims of grooming as... well, a victim of grooming. as i grew up, i started to get uncomfortable with the way he handled the topics as if they were a scary storyline and officially unsubbed after his godcult rebrand. im so sick of him fumbling these topics and treating victims like characters. we just want justice.
I'm sorry but S's story just doesn't add up. How could you live in the same house with his family and go unnoticed? You'd think she would have some proof of this, albeit text messages, videos, but I haven't seen shit.
i'm personally really confused about how he could have a full cult with 100s of members while living with his mother, at least one member IN the house, and her having no idea? I hate to say it but i don't trust spencer at all. The other survivors do make me nervous that its a real case thats being coopted in a sensational way by max and spencer, changing details on the fly like that
this whole thing is going so fast and i bet even more crazy things will come out about it
@@totallynotjevii574the claim isn't that there were hundreds living there, im pretty sure, but that it was a mostly online thing with only a small few handpicked irl victims. however none of what they're saying is very clear at all. lol
@@totallynotjevii574i may have misunderstood what you meant but to add on, they also say that camdan's family was rarely home which i guess maybe means he could have time to be texting hundreds of people but the girls were also supposed to do a lot of that networking for him. so if he has a girl who doesn't live with him but he was physically with in person, she could handle a certain case load of recruiting and making social media posts. either way, i could understand a small cult of double digit proportions but HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS seems faaaarrrr too unrealistic for even multiple people
Spencer has known Max since she was in kindergarten with his sister. She's a family friend. Now ask yourself: what are the odds that a "pedophile hunter" would _just happen_ to know someone who was victimized by a sensational werewolf/vampire pedophile cult? That seems very unlikely.
Obviously because he's a werewolf vampire he brainwashed them into not noticing!!
Not even a month in, and already we have a huge scandal.
This along with the Completionist being real desperate, this is a really bad omen for how shitty a year 2024 will be, if 2023 was not bad enough.
@@Dullsonic3it’s a bad omen for 2024 because of some random RUclipsrs having some drama? That makes no sense at all
@@Korvinian4601 that's no drama, it's worse than that.
@@Dullsonic3 I call a spade a spade, it is drama caused by delusional people. Besides that why is that a bad thing for 2024? A fraud getting exposed is a bad thing?
@@Dullsonic3 also, you really think that all the year for it to be good is to depend on e celebs in the internet? I dunno about you, but I think you need to go outside
I'm desperate for someone to look into why all the big controversies have Max's sister directly behind the scenes or attached somehow.
I am worried that she's being used by Max.
@user-fg4tn8ot6b edit: thought they were talking about spencer
She's culpable of crimes if she (Spencer), admittedly by her own words, worked as the ghislane maxwell to cjd by luring in children and even having a 13 year old ubered to cjd. She's an abuser as well, and I don't believe her at this point after reading the leaks, watching the livestreams, watching the 5 hr doc, and reading into her past.
Ikr!! Also why would max say multiple times "I'm contractually obligated" to Spencer. What blackmail does she have on him? I don't understand. He should be investigated for the gathering money under willful false pretences.
Max obviously knew admitting Spencer was a friend of his sister wouldn't play out well because he hid that fact when he should've disclosed it from day one.
@FukaiKokoro NOT ONLY THAT but his sister was behind the animations and drawings of the life sucks series, and she was one of the sole people who could corroborate that magnetar was sexting minors which led max to say he was a pedo. Not to mention she's directly affiliated with Spencer and is a family friend co signing her into this entire debacle.
Funny you say that because I never noticed. You're right. He used her to slander a guy he has a personal grudge against and now this.
"you don't see the poetry in that?" bro what?! the poetry in calling a guy a pedophile?! cause he called you a pedo... bruh
I feel so sad, I subscribed to Mamamax for years and now I feel like a clown 🤡
Hey there are other RUclipsrs that could be actually wholesome, not the end of the world friend
I genuinely enjoy the Click and One topic's content and they are pretty wholesome@@KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza
There for sure needs to be a investigation into his begging people for money for "charity" under willful false pretences. That's legit fraud.
Same 😔
Same😢
This guy is what you get when you try to order Jigsaw from Wish.
For real. I could only think of ripoff John Kramer the whole time. All he needed was a spiral to tie the package.
This dude somehow hasn’t gotten past his edgy teenager years
Nah, he's more like if you ordered Jigsaw from Temu
@@KabeyasSorryExcuseOfaRUclipsChNah he's Jigsaw from the asian night markets for less than 2 dollars
Blud's voice is what happens when you ordered Batman's voice changer from Shein.
I’m just more shocked how OBVIOUS his projection and manipulation tactics are, and he still thought it was fine
I'm starting to think Max is one of those people where every accusation is a confession.
No fr, he is a creep
Except accusation towards him
Nah i think he just thinks he's the main character
The fact that you can hear Muta's airsoft gun clicking during their call reflects just how frustrating the chat GPT thing was.
hold on. spencer says this man who abused her was 18 and had a trafficking network of 100-200 children while living with his parents??????? that specifically is so not possible in any way shape or form.
She was also 16 when she was "abused". I don't think an 18 year old in a relationship with a 16 year old is really a "pedophile". Especially since the age of consent in Georgia (where Camden lived) is 16 anyway.
The missing persons flyer of her _is_ real; it was posted years ago on a Facebook page dedicated to missing people. I think Spencer and Camden meet online while doing werewolf/vampire role-playing and got to know each other. Eventually she ran away from home to be with him. What happened after that I have no idea but I'm not buying this cult with hundreds of victims.
If MamaMax was covering Jeffrie Epste@n he'd still be on his island not giving a f*k about anything, that's how botched this was...
I swear to god, the way he forces his voice to be that deep is insufferable to hear.
It's a voice changer
Legit
Lanza, you know that I don't know this guy nor 90% of the youtubers you're talking about, but it's always fun watching you delve into these topics. Thank you.
Max talking about how global child exploitation is the biggest problem we face is like that scene in American Psycho where he starts talking about all solving world hunger and ending nuclear proliferation. It’s so vapid, and it’s so hollow, and you can just tell he doesn’t care. He’s just using the worst things he can think of to virtue signal to those around him for his own gain
I actually believe there’s a part of him that wants to do some good.
Too bad it’s a really small part and self-egrandizing is the largest.
i followed this guy back when he made deep dives into spooky video games. once he started doing this stuff, i started tuning him out 'cause it wasn't my thing. then the godcult rebrand had me realizing he's just doing this for attention
Same here, it’s weird looking back and realising that that era of his channel only lasted around four videos, it felt longer tbh.
Same. I found him via Nexpo and was interested in his horror/mysteries content. Then he pivoted to this stuff and it wasn't my thing but I didn't bother to unsub. Then the rebranding made me go WTF, and now I'm unsubbed.
Thing is the FBI is investigating him. Makes you wonder.
?
Unlike Max I'm not gonna outright scream that he's something without evidence, but all I'm saying is that there are a lot of predators who go after other predators to deflect from their own behavior
@@bobsempletank5362 i dont think Max himself is a predator. I think Spencer is tho.
My guess is that Spencer was an active consensual participant in the grooming of minors with Camdem, not as a cult with "hundreds upon hundreds of children" but rather in a discord RP server or smth. They most likely also lured the kids in the server irl, and now to get her ass off an investigation, shes pulling this whole circus to paint herself as a victim of Camdem as well.
For Max i think hes genuenly deranged, maybe has some undiagnosed disorder and Spencer is feeding his delusions
No offense, but FBI isn't exactly a beacon of morality. So them SUPPOSEDLY investigating someone shouldn't be seen as them actually founding inciminating stuff about them 🤷🏻♀️ not defending Max by the way, he's a POS, just wanted to say that FBI isn't a trustworthy organization, I know this even as a non american (I'm from Finland).
I'm willing to bet the FBI thing is another lie to make Max seem like he's the hero and that the government is trying to stop him or some deluded shit.
That Spencer girl is kinda sus.
She’s obviousness prone to exaggeration.
Thousands of victims? If there were a thousand victims, this guy would have been arrested for something.
Mamamax wants to be the Batman of the Internet when he's really just the Joker
He wants to be the Chris Hansen of RUclips but just so he could get more internet clout
@@Floofie_boi he's Chris Hansen and the Joker
@@KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza this is true.
He's talking like Dollar Store Rorschach.
@@Nightman221k nah the dollar store is better quality than this clown is.
He's like an edgy deviantart OC in real life
By the way, Spencer is lying. I'm not a doctor but I'm very certain that the whole story about miscarriages to prepare for motherhood isn't how that works.
I’m not going to claim any of the survivors are lying because it’s still unknown and I don’t want to make big claims. But I did feel really suspicious about the way she described her miscarriages. Generally a lot about this is suspicious especially with Spencer holding the money on Patreon without a clear reason why and by how Max botched this situation. 💀
Yeah something ain’t right about her, specifically her. I don’t know about the other survivors but it’s honestly her that’s causing Max’s downfall. Ain’t it also weird that they apparently knew each other before all of this.
She didn’t say that. She said it was to prepare her body to automatically reject pregnancy. I think it’s not likely true, but I’m just clarifying what she actually said.
To be fair, she actually didn't say that she believed that or that it actually worked, she just said that Camden told her/believed it worked like that.
As far as how she talks about her miscarriages, I wouldn't judge her truthfulness based on that. It's literally impossible to know how you're going to react or feel when it comes to traumatic experiences like that, and sometimes it's easier to emotionally distance yourself from it, which is going to look exactly the same as people who are emotionally distant from something because they are lying.
Tbh all about Spencer seems… prewritten and fake.
muta casually cleaning his gun in the background while spencer and the whole chat having a argument is soo funny as fuck
I used to be a fan of his and a CSA survivor myself so seeing his downfall hurts 🥺😮💨
I can relate,seeing someone transform from a figure that promises to bring justice to people only to be a usless liar in knights clothing is crushing, especially for someone who has followed max deeply for 3 years approximately.
(Also, sry if I worded something wrong)
Unfortunately, Max is an egomaniacal narcissist that manipulates CSA victims for his own financial gain and personal glory.
I've noticed a very distinct split between male victims and female victims when it comes to their feelings about mama max.... And I think that actually says a lot about how predatory he really is. Cause myself and most of the other male victims that I've talked to about this situation have a sense that they could tell that he was a predator from the fucking beginning. But most of the female victims that I have talked to about this all have the same Italian oh my God I can't believe he's like this it makes me so sad..... Kind of ironic in my opinion, I just take it as proof of why it's so much easier to victimize women it's not because of any kind of physical difference is because women will automatically believe a guy saying he's helping them with no fucking proof that he's actually helping them. At no point in his entire career has he made a successful investigation on anything. He openly admitted on a voice called then he would take a story and then sanctionalize the ever living shit out of it. I'm gonna be Blunt anybody on the internet who claims to be a creditor hunter is automatically in my eyes a predator adjacent person themselves. Because even if they aren't actively victimizing people they're fucking up the chance of actually getting Justice for these people. Why do you think people like EDP can be publicly called out and caught trying to meet up with a fucking 13 year old but not go to jail? Because the people that call them out fucked it up so bad that they couldn't charge him.
God bless you. Keep truckin❤
I’m so sorry you went through that :( I thought he was a good person too so you’re not the only one in that aspect.
The thing that gets me the most, every SONGLE time, is that he uses a Batman voice but has a totally normal dude voice. Like what is the reason?? Be theatrical but if it’s for serious projects then uhhhhhh don’t do that?
Idk how it took this long to get him called out
he actively mocked and used survivors by acting all edgy and taking away from how serious the day to day struggles are. he made us all look like some neat little trend instead of humans who went through something impossible to comprehend. I'm just glad he's finally getting his penance
I wanna say I believe the “victims” in this case. But…. This is supposedly a dude who’s roped in literally hundreds of people over years now. And no one on the internet has heard of him when the surface internet is his supposed vehicle to interact?
This sounds like fiction. It’s like. Literaly impossible. What gets me is the way she (Spencer) talks about her own SA. Like she’s entertained by it. I dunno. If that’s how she copes with it then power to her. But the fact they have so few people with such forced interaction and such a bafflingly tall tale to tell. Where HUNDREDS of people are supposedly wrapped up in it with almost no one recognizing him and coming forward.
Like.
Do you see how crazy that sounds ?
I just… I feel bad. Because I want to believe victims of SA but this just feels like some teenager got on Wattpad and went overboard and Max is just trying to fictionalize it further. It’s so gross.
fr tho, never heard of him before of thsi kerfuffle, and as he admits it, none of his work actually did anything, plus some of his work was fake
the dude is milking his fanbase and victims for virtue brownies
He literally made up a story about a girl on imvu who ended herself, acted like it was real, no one knew this girl, her channel had some creepy video in the forest with some teddy bear, channel was deleted exactly after he posted the imvu video
If i were max I would just do a quick rundown of everything the vampire guy thing has done, a interview with the victims and in general gather evidence to what this camdan guy is doing and why we should stop him. Then i woulc encourage the viwers and the general public to infrom the cops and casually spread the word about the dangers of the werewolf furry cult thing. But hey why do all of this when you could do a corny arg where you call famous youtubers to help you
It's too late. I just came from watching a video where the "evidence" was leaked. What should have been a major red flag was that the FBI did not investigate but they ARE investigating Max.
It’s so pathetic how Max saw himself as just SO important that he believed he could use thinly veiled threats and claiming he can “make it affect them” if they don’t cover his terrible videos, as well as even ranting on a livestream that he could ruin Penguinz0 if he wanted to. The whole theatrics and “artistic” angle to these predator hunting videos were to satisfy his ego, to feel ‘important’ rather than actually putting that effort into getting a lawyer, authorities, or even other predator hunters involved to help in the first place instead of wanting Pewdiepie and MrBeast to pay attention to you when you don’t make your cause or evidence clear in the start.
It’s even more transparent when after he got called out, along with making that poor “apology”, Max just took down all the videos he worked on about Camden. 💀
Lerix did such an amazing job making Max panic. It was really cathartic to see lmao. I've also never heard Muta get that frustrated. Max and Spencer are both infuriating. Max really thought people would believe that a random 18 year old SOMEHOW manages to groom and brainwash HUNDREDS of underaged girls and drag them all over state lines and also somehow hide them in his MOM'S HOUSE?
Dude is the embodiment of the Kony2012 movement
What is kony2012?
@alec3000 kony is basically some war criminal or something in the depths of africa that uses hundreds of child soldiers and r4pes them, basically the most cartoonishly evil guy you can imagine. There was a campaign to bring awareness to him and it was ruined because the face of the campaign was a complete embarassment who went crazy and walked around naked which completely defaced whatever he was trying to bring awareness to. Now every time someone thinks of kony 2012 they think of the insane man who made an embarassment out of himself instead of what kony actually is. If you want more details watch internet historian's video.
And apparently Kony is still alive and still grooming child soldiers. Welp
@@alec3000some guy traveled to uganda and started up some charity organization with the sole purpose of stopping Joseph Kony, a local warlord known for using child soldiers. Their campaign blew up immediately overnight but led to increased scrutiny as it became more and more sensationalized. Tho unlike max, I’m pretty sure the guy behind Kony2012 actually wanted to help out in some way and wasn’t doing it all for attention.
Internet Historian made a whole video about it some years ago that explains more. Check that out if you want
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there was an african military warlord (i think he was ugandan?) who was recruiting children into his army back in 2012, and a man in america tried to raise awareness of this, but the way he handled it turned the movement into a spectacle and a joke. the american dude went crazy due to stress and had a public mental breakdown where he ran around naked
To quote another comment I saw on this; "my dude straight up reinvented the Satanic Panic"
The fact that these kinds of people never go to the police is all you need to know about them.
Imo it would have been okay if Spencer was telling her story with names changed and locations not said. But it's the fact she's trying to use life ruination against a random nobody.
Spencer is just as bad as max. If not worse. I feel bad for the other ladies because Spencer is ruining this. Kinda like Shiloh during the onion situation
@@FukaiKokoroas a actual victim of a similar thing.
Th fact Spencer is so calm.. feals fake. Even after my incident happened YEARS AGO I’d still be hoping around getting any and all evidence I can to shove down people’s throats in hopes to get who hurt me most put in trouble… and than she’s just so calm??
As an actual victim, the police do nothing. It's better to expose them on the internet.
I understand what you're trying to say given how suspicious Spencers lack of evidence is, but a lot of real SA victims unfortunately don't go to the police for a variety of reasons, and it isn't an immediate confirmation that they're lying. Whether it be because it would put them in danger to do so, or because unfortunately SA cases are rarely taken seriously by police.
@@HelloKittyGorlWorldBecause you want them to walk free. Exposing them on the internet literally does nothing. EDP is still walking freely. And so is MiniLadd.
If max were smart he'd leave the internet, we all know he won't. His ego was bruised and now he's lashing out. He will continue to spiral.
All MamaMax had to do was show evidence that isn’t pictures of Camden, literally that is all he has to do. Instead he attacked many people even friends such as Mutahar of SomeOrdinaryGamers.
Not to mention Spencer was the key of all of this. Literally anything she says Max does “let’s go public with this.” “Let’s put legal action against Mutahar.” Etc.
Max is nothing a but damn fool
Careful! The MamaMax Legal Team might sue you for this comment.
He wants these extreme cases covered more, but there's a reason it's not put out there in the spotlight: makes investigative work harder. Imagine the people working on these cases, and gradually building up a fighting case only to have others shine the light and spook them out. The process can be slow because court isn't based on morals. It's based on laws. One wrong step and the prosecuted gets away.
For those that been in active jury duty (not canceled or dropped) you'll understand. The jury rules even states if you feel emotional or begin to feel emotionally biased, you're requested to inform the judge and leave the jury. It sucks, very much. But like pork, when roasted slowly, it turns out a lot better, for everyone.
That said, you all have a good day. And as always, I greatly appreciate your concise and clear layout and voice, Lanza. You speak at the right pace, which helps with my tennitus and hearing issues. Im obliged :D
Damn, how does this guy not realize how ignorant he sounds? Saying Chat Gpt understands the law? Wtf?
this is so bizarre. "innocent until proven guilty" isn't just a turn of phrase... its because that's how the law works? Its sort of a tough situation because unfortunately victims of sexual assault are accused of lying often, so I don't want to accuse Spencer of doing that. What she's saying could very well be true. but people have been falsely accused of awful things like this before, which is why we need evidence. If she's telling the truth then yeah Max pretty much screwed the whole case up by trying to play private detective.
Why did Spencer and them wait for 5/7 years.
He should have told them to get victims advocates to help guide them through the legal system that's why WE HAVE VICTIM ADVOCACY.
That's because Max can't milk them dry if they get actual help, silly!
Spencer waited 4 years to report whatever happened because she had finally watched enough SVU and cult documentaries to realize she was a victim. Then she went to Max 2.5 years ago (this would be around the same time as the police maybe up to a 6 month difference)...he told her he was in the middle of something important and when he finished that a year ago they started this. Where he harassed big influencers about how important and time sensitive this was until he accidentally told everyone that everything he does is fake because he wants to make movies
This is looking more and more like some bitter ex who had a bad experience from some cringe roleplaying server (with some potential individual abuse) trying to exaggerate it into some bombastic giant cult with massive rampant sexual abuse with how little urgency they had to report everything
Because Spencer would also be charged with luring minors. She just wants to get away with it completely and face zero consequences. Disgusting.
Because she's lying.
that spencer chick really got everyone to believe her fanfiction trauma stories and you KNOW she was loving the attention it got her
please don't lump all survivors that only have their word together as liars, this hurts all victims regardless if spencer is lying or not
@mystic_scythe yeah. I cant tell my trauma at all without going through an episode right after. Although my trauma is not sexual oriented but survivor's guilt.
Putting everything into consideration, I am now VERY sus'd out by how Spencer wanted to focus on children via channels with the main demographic being minors.
The thing is, not every content creator can cover topics like CSA and human trafficking! First, some people aren't mentally strong, and secondly, you need to do this sh*t by the book so there can be some form of justice!
So not only has he found 3 victims of camden through his sister, but he has also found 2 people with allegations against magnatar through his sister. His sister must be some kind of victim collector or something lol
3:37 This reminds me of the Cuties situation, trying to "spread awareness" about children being exploited in sexual ways, while actually exploiting children themselves (I know Mamamax said it was AI, but it still isn't right?)
yeah and the sickening thing is that the AI Max used had to train on existing images… In my honest opinion, Max created and distributed CSEM
because yknow, how did the AI know to create the stuff for Max’s “film” w/o having existing CSEM in its database?
@@adrianav3650 his MEGA account was banned for violating the "CSAM, bestiality and terrorism" clause in their TOS. uploads aren't manually reviewed, it's done by a content scraping bot like on RUclips, which means that it was already in their flagging system as illegal material. sit with that for a minute. the "predator hunter" was in posession of CSAM material. kinda starting to seem like his entire schtick was actually projection
@adrianav3650 ...Oh my God, I never thought about it like that. Such a piece of shit
thats disgusting. no wonder the fbi is investigating him. i hope he gets arrested
1:07:00
"My biggest goal is to inspire survivors to fight back"
And your method of doing this is to tell survivors, repeatedly, that if they go to the police with their claims, the cops will ignore or straight up abandon them? Great fucking inspiration there Max.
In the back of my mind, I always held room for doubt that it was all fake. More than anything I admired the cinematic presentation and the character. They were well-made videos. But when he put out that call to action, that immediately turned me off. It was embarrassing to watch, and I saw he had serious issues.
wake up lanza dropped a video
I AM
yeah lol
yaoipilled fujomaxxing
Wait, I need my popcorn!
A film having a scene where a young girl (played by an of-age actress) is assaulted is not..."simulating child porn". What.
By that logic, "simulated child porn" has been played on full screen in theaters.
Just because theaters do it doesn't make it a good thing it's weird af
It depends on how what the intent behind the creation of the scene is, and what the scene looks like, really.
If CSA is depicted as something bad, and is featured in a police movie (for example), then it cannot be classified as porn, and, in that context, the presence of the scene can be justified.
On the other hand, if it's made specifically so some "people" could masturbate to it, even if the child is played by an adult, or even if it's a cartoon or whatever, then it is, and there's no debate about it.
Also, people enjoying that kind of stuff are all pedos. I don't care if it's fictional, if you're pleasuring yourself to a scene that shows a child having s*x with an adult in any shape or form, you're a pedo, period.
@firstlast9855
Something being "weird", disturbing, or exploitative isn't the same as "simulated CSEM", whatever that means.
NOBODY should be forced to talk about anything. Does he think survivors should be forced to share their trauma?
Good lord, he doesn't understand if you turn it into a witch hunt that destroys any proof that why EDP didn't get arrested.
3 weeks later and his career is basically dead, Max’s victims showing more and more evidence against him the dude is a massive manipulator and abuser who harasses and stalks people who don’t follow his lead.
he’s been harassing Anthony (Magntar) and Haley (his first ex) since they were all teenagers.
it’s insane
Yours is definitely the best cover so far. I've been watching a lot about this mmm case lately, but you can explain the details more in depth than any other channels did
Max is a Plagued Moth type beat
I love how Spencer quickly became Max's protector in that interview with Mutahar. Max had NOTHING to defend himself until Spencer jumped in screaming about victims. The same victims MAX SUPPOSEDLY HAS BEEN SPEAKING FOR
It's always suspicious when someone continuously claims they have evidence but refuses to show it. It's extra suspicious when they admit that they never actually filed a report to the police.
Ok, I've been sitting on this for a few days trying to figure it out. But at 1:11:04 I've been trying to figure out what the metalic clicking sound is. It finally hit me today as I was cleaning some of my gun collection. Dude's dry racking a 1911 or other steel frame pistol. It has almost the same cadance. I went through multiple of my collection and a 1911 was the only thing that matched.
Why do you think he has it?
Maybe it was a stock sound.
Never mind, i heard what you meant, and i am getting an image of him doing it angerly in the shadows. Concerning.
Seriously though, why is he giving all of the Patreon money to Spencer? I thought that there were like 8 Women in the group right now who where victims, and yet, they don't appear to be getting any funds from Spencer or Max, even though Spencer designated Spencer to be the money manager for the group.
Keep in mind, that one of the victims, that they claim were helping, was BEGGING in Facebook for 20 bucks to buy diapers and baby formula.
Seriously, it really likes that Spencer and/or Max is just pocketing the Patreon money at this point.
I would also like to add, that Spencer was helping this black vampire werewolf to recruit members and victims in the group, so she is not innocent at all, and yet she is GAINING from all of this.
Good Lord, what a bunch of hypocrites.
Unsubscribing from MamaMax was my only option given the shit that he’s been doing lately.
making an alleged sexual abuse case into a cringe roleplay scenario is mindblowing to me
The werewolf/vampire/hybrid cult thing is so fucking hard to follow and, also, SO fucking far fetched. especially since there hasnt been any solid evidence that Camden has been trafficking minors, that ive seen at least. my biggest question is what if Camden is just cringe/weird? what if hes not doing all the things Spencer claims he's doing? what then? dont even get me started on her calling his mother out BY NAME when she isnt even a public figure. kinda all just feels like flimsy allegations that they expected everyone would fall for in order to further Spencer's YT career. doesnt sit right with me that shes living with Max, either, and i feel like its more telling knowing they knew each other before all of this, as well. idk. this shit has turned my brain into soup.
Spencer really did go missing when she was 16 and I suspect she ran away to be with Camden. They probably got to know each other online doing werewolf/vampire role-playing or something. The thing is that we're told Camden lived in Georgia and the age of consent in Georgia is 16. That means any sexual relationship between Camden and Spencer wasn't illegal. I personally think such a relationship is inappropriate but my opinion doesn't matter. The law is what's important. The only evidence we have that anything illegal happened is Spencer's word and her story seems awfully far-fetched. It's possible Camden hasn't done _anything_ that would get him in trouble with the authorities but Mamamax is accusing him of running a werewolf pedophile cult.
There's nothing I love more then when the documentary on the sexual abuse of children, an extremely serious topic that demands respect and grace, is narrated by someone talking like a cartoon character and is interrupted every 11 minutes with random clips for Hotline Miami for some fucking reason.
I'm glad people are turning on him.
Grifting with CSAM topics while larping as some Hotline Miami hotshot never ever sat right with me.
Does he think he’s Jigsaw? Does he think he’s some Batman vigilante?
The Jigsaw comparison is spot on; this dude claims he does what he does to help society, when in reality, he just wants to hurt people.
imagine being in a courtroom and ur accuser has an AI lawyer and no real evidence on you. Hold up I gotta talk to my lawyer your honor *ChatGPT, how do i cook this guy?!*
watched him at my lowest point of my life (getting groomed, covid going around b/c 2020, mania, etc). he was a huge comfort of mine because imagining the predators. I am so disappointed at him. I'm also disappointed at myself for not seeing anything wrong with the videos.
You know, i have to wonder if this Camdan guy is someone Max is really trying to get behind bars or if hes someone that Max just heard of and is trying to use as the 'bad guy' so he can pretend to catch some unspeakable evil to satisfy his glaringly obvious savior complex. It's such a shame to see this unfold too, I really used to enjoy his content, like the Roly Poly no Nanakorobi Yaoki video.
also I feel like i have to say this because i know how Max's fans can be, I'm the kind of guy who will believe a potential liar over a potential predator, unless there is evidence of innocence. i truly am sorry if what happened to Spencer and the other victims is true, but the over-dramatic theatrics and Max's disorganization of all of the case information is making me really have a hard time believing a lick of anything anyone on his side says.
When I was a kid, I used to watch his content. He had a highly edited clip of somebody comitting suicide by dragging a razorblade down their arm, and it freaked me out and I never really watched him again. I dont really remember what the video was about but it had something about teen suicide in it, and he showed that. Im 17 now and the clip could've been fake, idk, but that was my first interaction with something Im assuming to have been real gore. If it was real Im surprised nobody ever really talked about that, Im glad people are talking about him now
You convinced me when he genuinely didn’t know about the Maxwell trial. What fucking person doesn’t know about that? Let ALONE someone this gung-ho about exposing child predators??? SHE’S THE ACCOMPLICE OF PROBABLY THE MOST FAMOUS ONE RN.
I could never take him seriously with the cringey deep voice filter and the overly dramatic cinematics/effects, I thought I was crazy for not liking what he's doing
It is the most obnoxious thing that he entitles himself to “dialogue” with other people- especially only those who are bigger than him. He has such narcissistic and egocentric tendencies.
i need more answers on the “contractually obligated to see this case through” and why they’re trying to file a civil suit against him and there’s no criminal suit. i can’t imagine the “evidence” is very damning if the police won’t pursue charges
Max's Batman voice drives me up the wall.
esp since he goes to stream and has like some boring college professor ass voice 😂