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DEAF BONCE vs ROCKFORD FOSGATE vs PIONEER vs SKAR (Budget Bangers LOSER bracket)
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- Опубликовано: 17 дек 2022
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I do believe Pioneer uses most often a 50mm voice coil which is just slightly smaller than 2 inches.
I have had great luck with the Pioneer D series subwoofers. Never tried them in a vented box but they sounded great in a sealed box.
I don't own one, I currently run an L7S, but the Pioneer sub sounds so smooth and deep in a proper sized sealed enclosure, it's one of the best I've heard. Just looking at the parameters tells me it will do better in sealed. Try a 1.5 cubic ft sealed enclosure and I bet you'll like it much more. Unless you build an enclosure individually suited for each sub I don't see how it can be a fair comparison.
Which model?
Great vid man! I think you should do another shoot out like this mayne with just 4 more 12s. I think sundown budget 12 i seen a 99 dollar DD audio sub i believe the other day. Then maybe even the Blaupunkt 12 and cerwin hed series 12.
Great video comparison!! 👍
Thanks
Just ordered me 3 12s pioneer champions
THIS IS THE BEST CHANNEL FOR BUDGET MINDED PEOPLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH 🤘
Thanks for watching!
@@HifiVega.......I'M DOING MY 1ST "BUDGET BUILD" 😊. BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ALOT OF MONEY SO MY CHOICES FOR SUBWOOFERS SO FAR ARE 1. CROSSFIRE-C3 12IN. 2. AUDIO LEGION-AR12 12IN. 3, CT-SOUND 12IN. WHICH ARE ALL ($79 to $99 DOLLARS). I GOT A (JP8-MONO BLOCK) TO RUN THEM. WHICH SUBWOOFER DO YOU THINK IS BEST FOR DEEP RICH BASS 🤔?. THXS
No it isn't lol. I think DIY Audio guy is way better. This was a disaster using same box for all the different subs. The Pioneer clearly shines in a sealed box. Brutal waste of time that proves nothing but hey it got him a 10 minute video to post.
@foodforthought872 buy Crossfire C3. Or CT Sounds. Good bass is going to come down to putting the sub you choose in the proper sized box. Don't just throw it in a random box like some people do.....cough cough.
@@derekgardin1512 Justin’s channel is great! And who TF you see building 10 enclosures to test 10 different subwoofers in a shootout? The car audio magazines that were huge back in the day didn’t even do this. All that being said this enclosure fell within all these drivers recommended spec +|- 10%
Thank you for entertaining us on your dime!
Thanks for watching homie
Great video . I think that pioneer kills the jl audio w0/w1 at a much better price . I had chance to listen to both recently and ya it's a decent sub for a low power system
Holy crap it's the losers bracket! Love this channel so much Rob! Your a stud. I miss the forum😞
Thanks man! The spammers killed the forum 😰
great video back 20 years ago or more for me the black pioneers 400s were the best budget sub for me then the impp came out there was also lanzar but we could only order them then i stepped up went to the 12in punch dvc then to the powers but in a big box atleast 2 cubic foot per sub the black pioneer's 12s or the impps on a punch 200 was no joke lots of people ask me what u got some rockford 15s in the truck they wouldn't understand when i popped the trunk
RF has always been solid
The Rockford R series subs simply do not have the excursion needed to play loud deep bass.
I would of got the pioneer without a doubt, pioneer is rated 500rms and has a lot of history of great subwoofers and build quality. If you would of had the right ohm load and box the pioneer would of sounded better over all. Great video 👍👍👍
Yeah but that's pioneers top of the line sub. That isn't in the ballpark of deaf bonce.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha actually pioneer makes a lot of subwoofers some 1000rms and above the one tested is a mid level subwoofer 👍👍
@@TheSara200424 even the spl comp sub is nothing compared to sundown, deaf bonce, and the big hitters.
Need to add those time tags man. Good video!
I love the older pioneers I had 2 308s in a ported box and they sounded good
Most of the Pioneer subs I’ve had have been solid
HifiVega im interested in what the pioneer would do on your meter, if you wired it to 2 ohms? Im sure in such a large enclosure, and the subwoofer getting way over rated power, their would be diminishing returns in SPL. Also if you try the pioneer @ 2 ohms, i would suggest finding the freq. @ which your enclosures highest impedance rise occurs, to help control the x max of the subwoofer the most, being that much over rated power handling. Also, while testing, it would be great if you used your SMD power/impedance device that the speaker wires run through, to record actual power, and impedance rise, while testing the max SPL @ 2 ohms rated/@ rest. I hope you will consider my recommendations, thank you.
it's not only about going loud.
Back in the 90's, Car Audio Magazine actually has emphasis on subjective SQ results and has test Cd's, that go along with track and name of artist. What good is SPL if you play it at higher levels with a pronounced overhang on the bass notes, ( subjectively muddy). A kick drum test tone will define accuracy. The electronic bass is for really going down. In the 90's there was bass 305 disc.
I "was going to go with the Skar SVR due to it's RMS max", but your videos make the decision making tough.
Crossfire C3 would be my pick
@@HifiVega - I know you're an expert and I gotta luv ya to death, because you guided me in the past. But that 10" SVR with 800 RMS for $112 is pretty unfadable and last night, hell I was gonna go with some offbrand - Power Acoustic for a 12" sub for $120 that has 1200 RMS, but I'm passing on that.
Great infor for bassheads.
Dang...I skipped a few sub sizes after my "flea market" Targa Autosound x-80i (250w, 1.5" coil) and landed on a local brand, Kinetic KS-15 STAGE 2 (1500w, 3" coil) which costed me about $120 slightly used (about $160 brand new). Would be interesting to see these random brands from nowhere and how they stack up. Maybe for a future USA versus the world series? Try those random subs from Aliexpress or something?
As for this comparison, hard to beat the Deaf Bonce and it could be beaten on. The RF seems too overpriced for what you'd get but perhaps sound quality. The Pioneer seems to be the well rounded choice, wonder how the Champion Pro would compare (TS-W3003D4). Skar pretty much anywhere on there but that price holds it back. Budget subs but that box sure isn't!
Anyone had experience with the Infinity REF1270's? At $85 they got me curious
Vega what about Savard Subs Also the Infiniti Primus and Kappa Series Subwoofers even The Jbl Stadium Series.
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You da man that’s why!
I bought the 2 Pioneers 12's but I started smoking them on a T1000-1bdcp. So, then I bought 2 Machete 12's and problem solved. I ended up giving a Pioneer 12 to my neffew for his Mustang build and the other went into my brother's daily. Quality, not loudness, of sound was the objective, and it was perfectly achieved with the Pioneers on a Rockford Fosgate 350 watt amp in both vehicles. Excessive earthquaking bass from the Machete 12's in my build continue to disturb the peace whenever I have time to drive that vehicle. In my daily I have 2 qclass 8's in an MB Enclosures BIG MOUF HORN box on another ROCKFORD FOSGATE T1000-1BDCP. Let me tell you, it's the best sound quality system I have ever owned.
My first set of subs I bought brand new where those pioneers and I put them in a 3.5 cubic foot enclosure tuned too 35hz on around 1200 watts and they fucking slammed lmao on some frequencies they would take your breath away, I had systems with more watts and better subs and that system still felt louder on half the power, super efficient subs
Very few know pioneer is efficient because of its coil.
sounds good i have 2 sdr 12's they not in my van since i upgraded to 18's but i thought they sounded ok, i moved to sdr 18s then i went too tropo 18's
18’s are lyfe!
I concur with the DB being at the top of that list.
I believe my old gold letter kicker 12's are rated 250rms and getting loud is easy.
Thanks for the review and sharing
The new gold letters will be interesting for sure
@@HifiVega no doubt. Looking forward to buying one and going from there.
Nothing beats American bass for budget. Multiple drivers under 300$ and everyone of them are good.
Okay this for anybody who can chime in . Long story I am getting rid of my two 10” Kappa 1000s . With three kids and sports I need my trunk.
I plan to install one single 8” sub in my rear deck. I will make a ported box and vent it into the cabin.
Looking at the Savard Hi Q . The reviews or great on all points for the subs and company. Plus it’s $160!!!!!
If I go past $200 then it would be probably a Kicker Q Class or Memphis Mojo.
Right now I am between the Savard and CT Meso
Any feed back would be appreciated
You are going to make me pull out my triple stack of punch p2, well 2 p2 and an 8ohm he, but I was pleasantly surprised by pioneer, back in 98,99 I bought 2 impp and sold them a week later, but in their defense they were replacing some 12in w5 dual 8ohm and of course they couldn't measure up but once those w3 came out, I was first in line. Great video, but wasn't one of those subs an spl going against sq subs?. I saw someone praise the 1n a half in voice coil pioneer, but have an l7 (don't get no better) and talking about how smooth the sq is, I'm sick of these people and their invisible helicopters. 4 of those pioneers in an oversize box wouldn't sound as good as 1 l7
Now re-do the entire competition with each driver in their optimal box and then we'll have a real life comparison. Other than that, it's still good content.
I like how you are keeping it real and not showing us stuff that only extremely well off people can afford. ❤definitely for the regular real people.
Thanks for watching!
@@HifiVega I watch every one you do man
@@TheRealPivotpodcast you the man! I appreciate that
@@HifiVega and I appreciate you taking the time to like each comment and for you following me on Facebook. Starting a new channel isn’t easy (I know you know all about it) having the support of the people who came before me and who in my eyes are stars in this really means a lot to me. Keep it up man you’re killing it!
It’s pointless to buy RF prime when a R2 is just not that more expensive than Prime and is much better sounding
I just ordered 2 of the def bonce at 2 ohms im going to wire them to 1 ohm on a 4500w class D mono I can't wait to see my son's face.
He’s gonna love it!
I have one quick question❓
Im in the immediate market and need to make a final decision asap on what to buy. How does everyone think these will stack up against the Walmart Gothic sub and the RI Audio subs which is what I'm leaning towards but just judging by specs and looks alone because I'm not familiar with any of these as far as actually hearing any of them before.HELP!!
Thank you in advance.. OldSchoolJoe
I haven’t heard the gothic subs but people seem to like them
Sup Rob, great video as always, I was wondering if there was any way you could do a review of the "Audio Legion Armada 12" Skar is selling it for 80 bucks on eBay (might buy one next Monday), was hoping to see it against the Machete 12 you just showed, I'm looking for something that hits hard for a single 12
Hopefully you can point me in the right direction 🤟🏼
Cause I'd prefer at the moment something that is low budget friendly that can hit low and make you feel some good bass
I need just a single 12 at the moment please thanks
If you’re gonna spend under $100 get the Crossfire C3 no question
@@HifiVega awesome thanks
You should Dyno the taramps md3000.1 4 ohm version
How are you liking that soundqubed amp? I have the same one. I'm not sure how I feel about it.
It’s been great so far
What do you think is a better amp to run 4-15 Kicker L7S's in the proper ported enclosure? NVX XAD15 or Soundqubed U1-5000? Thanks
Oh yeah the 15's are dual 2 so I will be wiring the amp to 1ohm & the 15's are 1000 watts rms as well! Thanks Again
I feel like either of those amps would serve you well and it would mostly depend on which one you liked the look of better and which one is cheaper at the time of purchase
I like the NVX XAD15! What about the XAD15 vs 2-Kicker 46CXA1800.1? I would put 1-1800 on each pair of the 15" L7S's but I would get D4's though? Thanks HIFI I appreciate your feedback!!!
Was just sitting here watching and thinking to myself.. "at what point (of power) do SPL and SQL cross over? If that question makes sense.
Now that I think about it, it's a complex question because you could make a proper SQ build super loud and punchy an prob hit some hi DB.
And again there's probably some super hi SPL cars that also have amazing clarity and quality.
Was just wondering as a newbie.
Imo once you reach 135db SQ is very hard to maintain. Not that it can’t be done, but it is impressive when it happens.
Nice build. Are you still using the kicker iq on the mids ?
No I’m currently using the NVX MVP4
I love your all vedios from India
Thanks for watching!
Rob what is the small black and yellow box next to your SPL meter? thx
It’s a usb power supply Kicker sent me as a Christmas gift several years back
@@HifiVega Thx
Hey I just found out that Stinger electronics makes amps and subwoofers now. Both are under $300 for not a lot of power. Possible dyno or subwoofer review in 2023? Love the videos, Merry Christmas.
I just seen those myself. Might hafta check them out
They are direct to consumer only through the website. So no retailer sales. And the amp is actually a 2k rms for like $249 I believe. Crazy
@@angelvip2474
They are still budget prices no matter how you slice it.
Hello sir I am from India. I am getting poineer 500rms subwoofer at half price of machette lite 500rms made in china subwoofer . Which one should I purchase?
Machete
Hello bro,my question is about sound deadening (damping) can we do in winters.?
Yes, but you’ll need to preheat the areas with a heat gun and also use a heat gun while applying
@@HifiVega thnx bro.
Help! I bought one of these cheap Best Buy 12 ported box and it is only 1.3 cu ft! Do you think any of these subs less than $100 will work in that small an enclosure?
I’d just grab something kinda of cheap because if you get a serious sub it’ll likely show the weakness in that box fairly quickly
I take it back. You are the peoples champ.
Nice video @HifiVega
Thanks!
Where have you been brother?
Rob, what's net and tune on that box?
2.28cft @35hz
That explains why my results were so different!
👍
I really wish that there was a channel that did some sound testing with quality sound in there mind, not just moste rombel and vibrations for the money.
Is it dray, is it tight, is it fast, does it have dynmaics, does it boom all over the place ? There has to be more People lokking for hq gear that Wonder how it sounds. Does it boom, is it 10000000000 watt ? My lord, boomy base is the easyest thing, to make it sound good, not so much.
And please if you are 14 then watt and boom is for you, it was for me to.
AND if audio gear looks good on a dymo, it can still sound totally analytical and crap.
I’ve got plenty of sound quality focused videos, but I do videos for both sides of the enthusiast fence. I do have a channel recommendation for you though. Check out PS Sounds channel
@@HifiVega Thank you, i whil look at more of youre videos then. Yes i know there is a lot of car audio folks looking for watt and boomy stuff. I did come late to the party, from home audio, where moste People try to make things sound as nice and thight as they can, and to avoid boomy uncontrolled base at all costs. Let me know if you know of a slightly warm smooth sounding head unit ore two i can look at. I know i dont like vintage Alpines if that helps 👍thanks
Wait, how did Deaf Bonce make it to losers bracket??
It was a people’s choice vote and it happened to be up against the Crossfire C3
So when are you gonna wall the trooper? 😁
You’ll never see me wall anything ever lol
Just started the video but go deaf bonce
Im sayin machete off the top
Solid pick
This is a my “favorites” list. If you can get it in the site for $85 then choose that price. I don’t even like the sdr but in your simulation, it’s bull crap not to put it in its rightful second place. The pioneer sounds bad, the Rockford prime has the motor force and coil size of an 8” woofer. Nor does it get loud. Maybe it’s because of box size but other than that, nah it doesn’t belong above the skar. You should try the armada 12 from audio legion. It’s basically the same thing as the sdr and is all around a better sub because if the soft parts the build house chose to put in it. Have a good day.
This whole channel is my observations and opinions and that’s why I said folks might pick them in a different order and that’s absolutely ok, but as far as my picks compared to my preferences I stand by them. None of these subs are bad subs so I don’t think anyone would be disappointed by any of them so long as they choose the one that lines up with their specific goals
Rockford less mechanical distortion than Skar. Deaf Bounce is just OK, kind of sloppy/innaccurate.pioneer is hitting it, but has mechanical distortion, but sounds loud. Rockford is cleanest. Pioneer good bang for buck. Deaf Bounce, meh. Skar is way too much distortion. 1 Pioneer, 2. DB, 3. RF, 4. Skar
Just can't hit that 20k eh.
When it happens it happens. Until then I’ll just keep having fun and enjoying the hobby!
No offense but is it just me or are the videos from this channel starting to become like an Amazon commercial?
And down 4 sound 😉
This guy is so full of crap. I put a single voice coil competition series Pioneer 12" in a QPower heavy duty sealed 1.25 cubic foot box per Pioneer's data sheet. It is hooked up to a 340rws watt bridged home amp. My preamp sends anything 90Hz and lower out to my subamp which feeds this woofer. It sounds fantastic. I chose the Pioneer Competition series because I have used them in car audio and home since 1991. It sounds so good I am going to add another one and unbridge the amp and just feed each one with 200wpc rms.
I amnot sure what this guys problem is or what he is doing wrong or why he likes garbage subs but he clearly has a bias and it is not at all towards truth. THe speakers he tends to like tend to be made in China by a few manufacture that build a lot o speakers for many different brands using the the same generaic off the shelf parts. You can buy generica cones, surrounds, baskets, motors, dust caps, spiders and build your own woofers or repair any brand you like with parts that are generic. This should not be a secret.
I do not have anything against things made in China but I like companies that put their own name on the product they build and that stick around 30+ years not here today and gone tomorow and companies that design their own product even if they have someone else manufacture it for them. Most of the sub woofers today that are not Pioneer, Kicker, Infinity are just ordered from a menu of parts and then branded for what ever brand they want it to say and kicked out the door from China to USA. This is why so many baskets look the same, the cones look the same the surrounds etc....
The idea of a "sound quality subwoofer" is just stupid. Your sub should only be making sounds 100Hz and lower. Not a lot of data in that range and the data that is there is not usually high resoultion data. So any subwoofer should be able to produce musical low freq. no matter what. SPL is a function of effeciency and how much power you can put into the subwoofer continiously. The less effecient a speaker the more power you will need to push into it to get to the same SPL of an otherwise more effecient speaker.
For actual music not "Bass Head Centric Music" even a cheap subwoofer can be made to sound fantastic. When you get into things like "Illegal Bass, DJ Magic Mike, Bass Outlaws" and the like you are entering another world that is at the extreme end of the spectrum. In these instances it is not how low the bass gets but the repaid way in which the bass hits almost unlessly while also sustaining or notes for extended times and adding in unusal not at all natural phase angles and rotation. What we are then talking about is so different from all other forms of music where even a cheap sub will work great to requiring a special single use design if you want to go hard and go extreme. It is like the difference between a well designed 4x4 OEM truck and a hard core trailer queen rock crawler.
You have to have some intellegence and be very specific about what it is you are looking for in a sub woofer! This guy is not the sharpest tool in the shed.
You taught me something today! Clearly RUclips doesn’t have a character limit on comments.
Hyanka will beat all of these.
What @jason Weber said