I love how River gets mad at the Doctor "wasting" a little bit of his regeneration energy to fix her broken wrist while she uses a whole bunch of regeneration energy to save him here
To be fair, that was the doctors last regeneration at the time. All timelords only have 12 regenerations and the 11th was his last. He didn’t really have any to spare.
@@Seerow0 Which is one of the reasons I hate The Timeless Child reveal. If they’d have just waited a few more moments, Smith would have regenerated into Capaldi in one of the infinite number of regenerations The Doctor now has. River gave him her nine remaining regenerations for nothing
@@billydeeuk oof i didnt see that episode yet, i took a break from the latest season. But yeah after moffat stopped writing episodes and we got stuck with Chibnall, its just been downhill.
@@billydeeuk but the doctor didn't know... from what i remember they can refuse to regenerate and just die, like the master did, if he didn't know he could he would have just died believing that was his last life... river did give him her life's, but she loved him so she would have done it regardless, she changed time to save him from killing him... so her life's were probably pretty insignificant compared to his life... also the timelords sent him 12 more lifes, again that he didn't need but again that he didn't know... and as important as the doctor is to the universe I'm sure they were life's well worth giving him, regardless if they were pointless
It's a reference, no? "The only water in the forest is the River" - Forest of the Dead? The only Forest that had a "River" running through it, get it? 👍
Loved this storyline, but reflecting on it all now, I lowkey wish they had introduced Mels back in Matt's first episode. Can you imagine if, as he was walking around Leadworth the first time, Mels pops up and meets him and is just introduced as a friend of Rory and Amy's? Or when 11 showed up at Rory's bachelor party Mels was around, and 11 would see her and say hi and they never made it a big deal. Then a season later we get the reveal. That would've been so cool
I just noticed that after Melody “transformed” and developed also her name changed from Melody Pond to River Song. So her name develops too because a pond can turn into a river and a melody turns into a song
@@MalakianM2S I think Pika's point is that a river is a pond that has become something bigger, and a song is a melody that has become something bigger.
I love that they figured out a way to remove the rest of her regenerations so that way when she goes to the library she dies and not regenerate as we have only 2 regeneration cycles be used up at this point.
@@xaleypoo4779 WOW!!!! Are you really that uneducated that you don't know Who Beethoven was???? One of the GREATEST composers that has ever lived. What are they teaching you children in school these days????
In what way its for children? Some episodes even I in my twenties can understand. I mean maybe it's cause of graphics, but some people call marvel childish with cinema graphics, so...
@@blue-9017I'm an adult who loves the show (certain eras anyway) but it's objectively made to appeal to children. Not exclusively to children, but definitely with children in mind. It's what's called a family show. A show made just for adults would be something like Torchwood.
Not really, because most shows have themes. I don't assume Professor Oak is related to Professor Willow just because they both have tree names. etc etc
@@helloitsme7553 @Ace Jaden Angel Yes, it's explained in "A Good Man Goes to War." The forest people didn't have a name for "pond," and "melody" got translated to "song." There are many cultures where the surname goes first (i.e. it's actually something like "River, Song"), and it's very easy for translation to shift a word into a synonym which doesn't exactly mean the same thing, especially when you're translating from a language to another, and then back again to the original language.
Looking back, I don't know if any of them realized that, at that moment, The Doctor had no regeneration energy. Hence, why he died. If River really had no regeneration energy herself after resurrecting The Doctor, then it literally took the equivalent power of ten regenerations to revive him from death. And he told _nobody_ that he had no more regeneration energy until centuries later, when he told Clara during one of her visits to Trenzalore to follow his defense of the town of Christmas. The fact that the Eleventh Doctor had no more regeneration energy is why Gallifrey granted him a whole new set of regenerations. They realized that, if he died at that moment, there would be no Twelfth Doctor to assist in Gallifrey's rescue from the Time War, and their rescue would not happen.
@Hyperactiv Gamer first of all- do you have a stroke? And second- we don't talk about timeless child. It never happened. It was all a bad dream. Dont mention it another time
@@davemarin7340 really folks, eventually I'll figure out how to format a story around my "Mondassian Alternative" timeline, and we'll all see how the 13th Doctor was a massive made up delusion the 12th Doctor made up to confuse The Cybermen, all to destroy their database and then escape.
I once worked with a black lady cop (who was gorgeous, BTW), Sgt. Monica Hunter. The name of the black lady cop who took PeeWee Herman's report of his stolen bike was Sgt. M. Hunter. Funny thing is, Monica's favorite movie was PeeWee's Big Adventure, and she had never noticed that she was in the movie!
Cunning Smile maybe however in the one episode we’re she lasts meats the doctor were he shows up and she does not recognize him she says the doctor dose not love me and when scanned it’s said that’s she’s telling the truth so if that was the line use one would think that one line would not have been said or at least true
I'm like 99% sure he didn't say he loved her. When she first meets twelve and is in the middle of being questioned she says; "The Doctor does not and has never loved me. I'm not lying." Then, it's confirmed that she wasn't lying. So in this scene he probably told her his name, which was why she sort of smiled a little like it was a joke, since she probably thought that if he cared so much about River, he should have already told her his name. It lasted so long because he might have said she couldn't tell anyone else. Ever. Which is why she didn't answer when Amy asked what his message was.
I see where you're coming from, but I don't agree. I think of River in that scene similar to 11 in isolation after losing the Ponds, or 10 as the Time Lord Victorious - she's gone through loss and pain, and has been on her own long enough that she'd convinced herself of something that isn't true. Yes,* in that moment* she isn't lying, she believes it, but I don't think she's believed it all along. Add to that, if he did say 'I love you' here, it would be so very easy to convince herself he didn't mean it, just by thinking: "Rule Number One: The Doctor lies."
Is it possible he told her his name and that he loved her? You never really find out when he told her his name. In "The Wedding of River Song" he claims he told her his name, but he really said "Look into my eye.". Then, in "The Name of the Doctor", River apparently says his name to get the door to open. She learned his name at some point, and it just occurred to me it might be this one.
Time Lords can not regenerate more than 12 times, unless given more regenerations. 12 is the limit (though through various circumstances, most of them have likely had more due to the Time War before they were all time locked and/or destroyed). And in regular circumstances, most Time Lords could live many thousands of years with only 12 because most of them weren't adventurers like the Doctor... he's relatively young and still nearly out of regens because he gets killed fairly frequently.
The moment River sees herself for the first time is actually kinda sad. Because from that point on she knows that's her future. That's her path. That's who she is. And she'll never be able to be anything or anyone else.
I actually see it as the opposite - she was raised to be one thing: the woman who kills The Doctor. Hearing about River Song and then seeing herself... it opens the doors, throws back the curtains on all of time & space, and shows her she can be so much bigger (on the inside 😉), so much more than that single purpose.
I like to think it could be related to her being part-Time Lord. I think I've read somewhere, or just theorized myself, that Time Lords can recognize one another regardless of Regeneration. So when River saw the Tenth Doctor, she didn't see Tennant over Smith, she saw the Doctor and his physical appearance was secondary. River herself may not even have noticed she was doing it.
I always thought River looked like an angel at 2:29 coming to the Doctor to give him life and I think this scene is beautiful also when she gently says "Hello Sweetie" then kisses him. Its just something About Alex Kingston that is just, wow. Thats why she is my role model
You're correct that they did know Tennant was leaving when they made that episode. I think she asked that because she wasn't sure whether Tennant was before or after Smith because she hadn't met that one before.
So, just some woman he met that was just as smart as he was and nothing more? You do realize Sherlock Holmes -- the actual one from the books -- didn't care much for her at all? He wasn't ever attracted to anyone, really. He just underestimated her intelligence (because of her gender) and was put in his place when she outsmarted him. They were never romantically involved.
Here's a question for all the whovians - If Amy knew that River (her only biological child) was giving up her remaining regeneration's for the Doctor here do you still think she would have said he was worth it?
Doesnt make sense now cos the doctor was a child from the time vortex and had unlimited regeneration therefore rive should as well since she was partially made from the time vortex so she should have unlimited regenerations, thank u Chris chibnall
Eh while I agree the timeless child bit ruins 11th's new cycle it can't affect this as the poison melody used was designed to stop a time Lords regeneration
Also, the whole River is like a time lord cause she was conceived in the Tardis is bollocks, cause regenerations are a graft from the Timeless Child, so unless the Doctor participated in Melody's conception, how did River get the ability to regenerate? DAMN YOU CHIBBY
@@KHaLeD-jv7fu Let's Kill Hitler took place before Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead. The Doctor is meeting River Song out of chronological order. Let's Kill Hitler happened years before River sacrificed her life to save the library and this was when the brainwashed Melody learns of her destiny and that The Doctor was an important person in her future. From Melody's point of view, she hadn't yet met The 10th Doctor and the 12th Doctor and been to the library. Since she was born Half Time Lord, by giving up all her regenerations to save The Doctor, she would never regenerate again and she would die like a normal death and the library, which was a fixed point in River's history, sealed her fate forever.
Thankyou current writers as of 2020, this sacrifice is now meaningless. Just had to wait a few more minutes an the regeneration would have kicked in because the Doctor has limitless amounts of it.
It may be more complex than that. The time lord might have placed a mental and regenerative block on the Doctor during early years of the first incarnation back in the 60s, which was only removed by the time lords at the climax of 'the time of the Doctor' on Trenzalore. And considering the nature of the poison River used, regeneration may not be a solution to counteract it, instead requiring a transfer of regenerative energy. Just my thoughts on the subject, but hope it lends perspective on how you look back on this episode scene in 2020.
Moffat is such a big picture guy when you think about it...the Doctor explained in the finale when he named himself the Doctor it was a promise to himself and this is the same thing. Melody names herself River as a promise to herself and the Doctor
Wrong. She knows when he says "Hello, Sweetie!" after her big declaration. They escape and have their wedding night at the Pillars ( of something). A 24 year night.
Forest of the Dead explained why she didn't regenerate in Forest of the Dead, even had we known about her regeneration ability... she told the Doctor that the energy would kill him beyond his ability to regenerate, and therefore would have done the same to her even if she hadn't already given the Doctor the rest of her regen energy.
Love how for all that the Doctor struggles to control his own regenerations other Time Lords or pseudo-Time Lords can easily summon or control it - suggesting something's fundamentally different about him, he lacks that control for some reason or he chooses to not control it.
You know, thinking about this again, at some point, it gets said that she gave up all her remaining regenerations here to revive and heal the Doctor... but in the end, it didn't really matter, did it? She seems pretty convinced that the Tenth Doctor, who had TWO regenerations left at the time, would not have survived what River was trying to do (which killed her, of course). Assuming she's right, it wouldn't matter if she had regenerations left herself or not; she still would have died in the Library, saving everyone.
Ok, it was never disclosed what he told river here. It probably wasn't his name cause River's reaction was to save him, i'm guessing its somewhere more along the lines of " tell her i love you" or smth. I doubt saying his name to a River that just met him would be enough of a reason for her to sacrifice her regenerations for him. And if he had told her his name now it wouldn't make sense for him to say it again in "the wedding of river song". But hey, this is Moffat so anything can happen! :P
*i've watched every episode of the rebooted run from the beginning with eccleson, yet every time i see these youtube clips **_'I REMEMBER NONE OF IT!!'_** maybe i regenerated after every season. **_#dewdewdewdew_*
The regeneration limit was a just a law on Gallifrey, Gallifrey doesn't exist anymore so neither does the limit to his regenerations. He can do it as much as he likes.
@QueenAlexstraza, the Time Lords can regenerate more than 12 times. They can live to be 9,000 years old, I'd think they would die a few more times than 12. What lead you to believe that?
They can only regenerate more than 12 times if they are given another regeneration cycle or if they steal regenerations from another Timelord. As determined by 'The Deadly Assassin' and 'The Five Doctors' , 'Mardwyn Undead', 'Trial of a Timelord', et al.
When you realise that because of the change in timelord canon, he would have regenerated from this by himself and she gave up her regenerations for nothing.
Yeah. After reading the comments I agree. "Husbands of River Song" she said she doesn't know if doctor loves her.. and we know she knows his name.. if he said right now "my name is ..." her natural response WOULD be "I'm sure she already knows", 'cos why wouldn't this mystery woman the doctor keeps talking about not know his name?? Plus doctor knows river finds his name out at some point and right now thinks he's dying, so tells her to preserve the history/future? Mindblown
That and the fact that she flat out said it would happen too fast for even a full blooded timelord to regenerate, thus the reason why river did it and not him.
People it was already explained that matt smith was the 13th doctor and so his last regeneration but he was also the 11th face since he used up 2 regenerations without changing appearance.It was all explained in the special and now Capaldi is the 14th doctor and 12th face and 1st doctor of his new regeneration cycle.There are 12 more doctors after Capaldi.Its all there in the christmas episode.
Unless they bring back the Time Lords, this is likely the explanation they'll use. They could claim that it took all of River's regen energy to heal him if they go with another way to extend his limit, or say that he gained an extra half dozen or so regenerations after being healed if they want to go that route.
@Rita L the Doctor is not sure if chemical poison will totally kill him or force him to regenerate; the Fifth Doctor was poisoned by cave spiders and the third by radiation poisoning- but since the Silence made the poison specifically to kill him, it must have also been designed to prevent regeneration.
Mel is Melody Pond. You even see her regenerate into River Song as we know her in this episode. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you meant because I don't know how you could miss that.
A more logical reason would be that the 11th doctor did not want his former self knowing or figuring out that he was gonna die and regenerate into the 11th doctor. After all it must be a fixed point in time. So the 11th doctor must've told River that when she meets his former self lie and say it was the 10th Doctor she had all the adventures with and not the 11th.
River Song, the Child of the Tardis, born with TimeLord regenerative powers. Forget Clara, River was the one born to save The Doctor, and this is the proof. Matt Smith as the Eleventh Doctor became my favorite Doctor second only to the immortal Tom Baker, the Fourth Doctor, who was my very first Doctor growing up.
I never liked the whole all-of-her-regenerations-to-save-him part. I feel like it could have worked just as well with one, since they'd already made it clear that regeneration wasn't an option at all in Silence in the Library. : /
The Doctor could have saved her life on Darrilum to be honest, She gave up her excess regeneration cycle to save the doctor giving that this incarnation was meant to be his last, River Song was only in her third incarnation she spent 24 years on the night of Darrilium the Doctor was granted a new regeneration cycle by the Timelords in the Time of The Doctor would it really have hurt if the doctor just gave her three regenerations of his life just to save hers even one would have sufficed. River is what grabbed my attention to doctor who after Tennant Capaldi kept met watching as he was Iconic but after Jodie it took a turn. God Bless Alex Kingston My River. Right she sacrificed herself saving the early version of the Doctor Ten. But still I miss the interactions and the beauty of the story portrayed by the character it’s not cool that she was just uploaded to the biggest database in the universe.
+Dnbray if you mean 10.5, he was part of a biological metacrisis, which literally created a version of the doctor in a human body, who cannot regenerate (it also created the Doctor Donna). River was conceived in the Tardis during flight (in the time vortex I think) and this messed up her DNA and gave her time lord qualities (like regeneration) even though she was human
Oh, Well, the actual reason is because at that time, they didn't know Tennant was going to quit. In the Doctor Who universe, I guess it can be equated as, she didn't know if this was a future Doctor or a past Doctor. Or perhaps she HAS met the Tenth, we just never saw it on screen. Or maybe Eleven told her to act that way when she saw Ten? The world may never know...
well at that time she didn't know which incarnation of the doctor he was and what they've done together so she was checking and it was afterwards that she realised that he'd never met her before
To me it would have been better dramatically, if she was an actual Time Lord from Gallifrey, who had escaped the Time War rather than be the daughter of Amy and Rory.
Abdullah Mughram Watch the most recent Christmas Special. *SPOILERS* The Doctor notes that he used up all his regenerations and that he was the very last. The only reason why he was able to regenerate at all was due to the Time Lords giving him a *brand new cycle of regenerations*. Meaning that when the 11th regenerated into the 12th, he effectively regenerated into the first incarnation of that set of regenerations. River Song's regeneration energy and what that did for him has yet to be touched on, if ever addressed again.
I think she didn't know if this was a future Doctor or a past Doctor, but then, after she asked if he was at the crash of the byzantium she look into his eyes and says "look at you, you'r young" and she doesn't ask anymore... but the theory about if river met the tenth can still be posible in the 50th aniversary...i cant wait!! thats why im here watching random videos of Doctor who T.T thanks for the vdeos
Well, there was that time she said something about his faces never showing up in the right order, so I assume that River has pictures of all the faces of the Doctor, therefor she can recognize any of his regenerations, but doesn't know which ones are which.
I don't know if they ever really explained why it took up all 9 remaining regenerations, like was the poison that strong or what. My pre Chibnall era head cannon was that two timelords could sync there regeneration cycles so they would have the same amount of remaining regenerations and with the doctor on their last regeneration at the time it would mean river would lose their remaining regenerations, the released regeneration energy would still be able to heal but it would prevent future use. The timeless child kind of ruined that head cannon, at least for this case but its still technically something that could occur in timelord society for say when two timelords get married.
I love how River gets mad at the Doctor "wasting" a little bit of his regeneration energy to fix her broken wrist while she uses a whole bunch of regeneration energy to save him here
To be fair, that was the doctors last regeneration at the time. All timelords only have 12 regenerations and the 11th was his last. He didn’t really have any to spare.
@@Seerow0 Which is one of the reasons I hate The Timeless Child reveal. If they’d have just waited a few more moments, Smith would have regenerated into Capaldi in one of the infinite number of regenerations The Doctor now has.
River gave him her nine remaining regenerations for nothing
@@billydeeuk oof i didnt see that episode yet, i took a break from the latest season. But yeah after moffat stopped writing episodes and we got stuck with Chibnall, its just been downhill.
Well, really it was her regeneration energy he was eating. 😉
@@billydeeuk but the doctor didn't know... from what i remember they can refuse to regenerate and just die, like the master did, if he didn't know he could he would have just died believing that was his last life... river did give him her life's, but she loved him so she would have done it regardless, she changed time to save him from killing him... so her life's were probably pretty insignificant compared to his life... also the timelords sent him 12 more lifes, again that he didn't need but again that he didn't know... and as important as the doctor is to the universe I'm sure they were life's well worth giving him, regardless if they were pointless
"Tell River Song that she is always and completely forgiven. And I love her."
The River Song story is, in my opinion, the greatest Doctor Who story line in the entire series. Absolutely brilliant.
It was brilliantly simple while been fantastically complex....one of the best bits of writting in any TV show ever
@@joshkennish3186 Ahhh. The good old days, when Dr. Who was still a fun watch!
"The only water in the forest is the river." :)
@aubug5 - I'm not sure but I think it was a specific forest with only a river and no lakes.
They’re talking about the episode ‘when a good man goes to war’ where that line is said
It's a reference, no? "The only water in the forest is the River" - Forest of the Dead? The only Forest that had a "River" running through it, get it? 👍
Loved this storyline, but reflecting on it all now, I lowkey wish they had introduced Mels back in Matt's first episode. Can you imagine if, as he was walking around Leadworth the first time, Mels pops up and meets him and is just introduced as a friend of Rory and Amy's? Or when 11 showed up at Rory's bachelor party Mels was around, and 11 would see her and say hi and they never made it a big deal. Then a season later we get the reveal. That would've been so cool
I loved this episode. It finally explained why she didn't regenerate back when she first died in the forest of the dead
I just noticed that after Melody “transformed” and developed also her name changed from Melody Pond to River Song. So her name develops too because a pond can turn into a river and a melody turns into a song
It's explained in an episode, the race who raised Melody Pond didn't have a word for Pond, because they lived in a forest and they only had a river.
@@MalakianM2S I think Pika's point is that a river is a pond that has become something bigger, and a song is a melody that has become something bigger.
Whoa thats cewl
@@dont_blink3578 ikr
@@MalakianM2S but they flubbed that here cause that episodes was BEFORE this she should ALREADY know shes river
I love that they figured out a way to remove the rest of her regenerations so that way when she goes to the library she dies and not regenerate as we have only 2 regeneration cycles be used up at this point.
Didn't they say in that episode that if the Doctor had carried out the plan, he'd have been toast with no regenerating anyway?
They named their daughter after their daughter.......
The real question is, who wrote Beethoven's Fifth?
@@xaleypoo4779 WOW!!!! Are you really that uneducated that you don't know Who Beethoven was???? One of the GREATEST composers that has ever lived. What are they teaching you children in school these days????
@@elliebond6807 are you joking? A troll? Or did the sarcasm seriously go that far over your head?
@@elliebond6807 It's a reference to a later episode...
@@elliebond6807 he made a reference to an episode dude :/
Who els needs to stop watching these clips and just go back an enjoy the dr who series from start to finish all over again. 😃 It is on Netflix! ???
B1cam It’s on Amazon Prime
It's on Netflix
B1cam I forgot how good some of the episodes were
It hasnt been on Netflix since 2016!
It use to be on Netflix and it on amazon prime I love this series can’t wait for the new season to start
Absolutely insane how beautiful this show is.... it’s crazy how many people write it off as a silly children’s show.
In what way its for children? Some episodes even I in my twenties can understand. I mean maybe it's cause of graphics, but some people call marvel childish with cinema graphics, so...
@@blue-9017I'm an adult who loves the show (certain eras anyway) but it's objectively made to appeal to children. Not exclusively to children, but definitely with children in mind. It's what's called a family show. A show made just for adults would be something like Torchwood.
Pond=river
Melody=song
I wasn't paying attention, was this painfully obvious?
Not really, because most shows have themes. I don't assume Professor Oak is related to Professor Willow just because they both have tree names. etc etc
Apart from 'Pond' surname, wasn't made clear till Amy gave birth and Rory decided to name their daughter Melody in a later episode.
They said this in the episode tho this is the reason I think it was in 'A good man goes to war'
@@helloitsme7553 @Ace Jaden Angel
Yes, it's explained in "A Good Man Goes to War." The forest people didn't have a name for "pond," and "melody" got translated to "song."
There are many cultures where the surname goes first (i.e. it's actually something like "River, Song"), and it's very easy for translation to shift a word into a synonym which doesn't exactly mean the same thing, especially when you're translating from a language to another, and then back again to the original language.
SilverStrumer It was an earlier episode but at a later time? Or Something like that, It's Soctor Who 😅
I always love the sense of mystery when Dr.Who or River Song whisper things we cant hear to one another.
Looking back, I don't know if any of them realized that, at that moment, The Doctor had no regeneration energy. Hence, why he died.
If River really had no regeneration energy herself after resurrecting The Doctor, then it literally took the equivalent power of ten regenerations to revive him from death. And he told _nobody_ that he had no more regeneration energy until centuries later, when he told Clara during one of her visits to Trenzalore to follow his defense of the town of Christmas.
The fact that the Eleventh Doctor had no more regeneration energy is why Gallifrey granted him a whole new set of regenerations. They realized that, if he died at that moment, there would be no Twelfth Doctor to assist in Gallifrey's rescue from the Time War, and their rescue would not happen.
@Hyperactiv Gamer first of all- do you have a stroke? And second- we don't talk about timeless child. It never happened. It was all a bad dream. Dont mention it another time
@DarkShogun2006 but chibnall had to come and ruin the rest of the story
DarkShogun2006
We don’t talk about Time Lords being a fake species, get out of here with that timeless child bs
@@davemarin7340 really folks, eventually I'll figure out how to format a story around my "Mondassian Alternative" timeline, and we'll all see how the 13th Doctor was a massive made up delusion the 12th Doctor made up to confuse The Cybermen, all to destroy their database and then escape.
@@davemarin7340 this nightmare never ending -_-
The single best fictional character of all freaking time.
Has anyone else noticed that Alex Kingston plays a recurring character on Law &Order:SVU named M. Pond?
+Dana Grooms Oh yeah.
Miranda pond rather than Melody pond on that episode. But still hilarious.
Distant decedent or alternate timeline version
no i hadn't noticed that. and here i am, a self proclaimed whovian. [shakes head]
neat catch!
I once worked with a black lady cop (who was gorgeous, BTW), Sgt. Monica Hunter. The name of the black lady cop who took PeeWee Herman's report of his stolen bike was Sgt. M. Hunter. Funny thing is, Monica's favorite movie was PeeWee's Big Adventure, and she had never noticed that she was in the movie!
I bet the message was actually "Hello Sweetie" XD
I think it was the Doctor's name.
The message was "Tell her I love her"
@@leemckay2231 it was. Why else would River have shaky breath like she was holding back tears.
That makes so much sense!
Cunning Smile maybe however in the one episode we’re she lasts meats the doctor were he shows up and she does not recognize him she says the doctor dose not love me and when scanned it’s said that’s she’s telling the truth so if that was the line use one would think that one line would not have been said or at least true
I'm like 99% sure he didn't say he loved her. When she first meets twelve and is in the middle of being questioned she says; "The Doctor does not and has never loved me. I'm not lying." Then, it's confirmed that she wasn't lying. So in this scene he probably told her his name, which was why she sort of smiled a little like it was a joke, since she probably thought that if he cared so much about River, he should have already told her his name. It lasted so long because he might have said she couldn't tell anyone else. Ever. Which is why she didn't answer when Amy asked what his message was.
I see where you're coming from, but I don't agree. I think of River in that scene similar to 11 in isolation after losing the Ponds, or 10 as the Time Lord Victorious - she's gone through loss and pain, and has been on her own long enough that she'd convinced herself of something that isn't true. Yes,* in that moment* she isn't lying, she believes it, but I don't think she's believed it all along. Add to that, if he did say 'I love you' here, it would be so very easy to convince herself he didn't mean it, just by thinking: "Rule Number One: The Doctor lies."
Is it possible he told her his name and that he loved her? You never really find out when he told her his name. In "The Wedding of River Song" he claims he told her his name, but he really said "Look into my eye.". Then, in "The Name of the Doctor", River apparently says his name to get the door to open. She learned his name at some point, and it just occurred to me it might be this one.
exactly, oml. I thought I was alone in thinking this.
+Alisɑ Yɑnzɑ Maybe in the 24 years that she spent in Darillium.
+Mr. chair that's another possibility, & the only other thing he could've said in this clip was "I love River." He never says "I love you" out loud.
+Alisɑ Yɑnzɑ she could also found his name in library in the Tardis, Clara also found his name there.
In the Husbands of River Song she pretty much says she thinks the doctor doesn't love her. I doubt she'd think that if he said it outright.
Time Lords can not regenerate more than 12 times, unless given more regenerations. 12 is the limit (though through various circumstances, most of them have likely had more due to the Time War before they were all time locked and/or destroyed). And in regular circumstances, most Time Lords could live many thousands of years with only 12 because most of them weren't adventurers like the Doctor... he's relatively young and still nearly out of regens because he gets killed fairly frequently.
I paniced when I saw this...I thought he would wake up with a new face...but it was just a revival...not a reset/regeneration
Dang it! These clips have this persistent knack for ending at the _worst possible moment!_
Bruh anytime River was brought back as a character i always had a grin and got my popcorn ready because you knew it was going to be good
The moment River sees herself for the first time is actually kinda sad. Because from that point on she knows that's her future. That's her path. That's who she is. And she'll never be able to be anything or anyone else.
I actually see it as the opposite - she was raised to be one thing: the woman who kills The Doctor. Hearing about River Song and then seeing herself... it opens the doors, throws back the curtains on all of time & space, and shows her she can be so much bigger (on the inside 😉), so much more than that single purpose.
I like to think it could be related to her being part-Time Lord. I think I've read somewhere, or just theorized myself, that Time Lords can recognize one another regardless of Regeneration. So when River saw the Tenth Doctor, she didn't see Tennant over Smith, she saw the Doctor and his physical appearance was secondary. River herself may not even have noticed she was doing it.
I think she took pictures of people who were called The Doctor
I always thought River looked like an angel at 2:29 coming to the Doctor to give him life and I think this scene is beautiful also when she gently says "Hello Sweetie" then kisses him. Its just something About Alex Kingston that is just, wow. Thats why she is my role model
Holland Dermak.
Holland Dermak.
2:04 - "What are you doing? dont you dare regenerate young lady" mom mode activated
You're correct that they did know Tennant was leaving when they made that episode. I think she asked that because she wasn't sure whether Tennant was before or after Smith because she hadn't met that one before.
Tell her from me, tell her....my name is............." "im sure she knows"
River is to The Doctor, as Irene is to Sherlock Homes.
+toxic tabby Rose is perfect for 9th and 10th Doctor....But I like River with 11th
Rocio Martinez Sevilla I agree. 9/Rose, 10/Rose, 11/River, 12/River
Omg yess
So, just some woman he met that was just as smart as he was and nothing more?
You do realize Sherlock Holmes -- the actual one from the books -- didn't care much for her at all? He wasn't ever attracted to anyone, really. He just underestimated her intelligence (because of her gender) and was put in his place when she outsmarted him.
They were never romantically involved.
I feel like although rose was best with 9th and 10th, river was the best for all the doctor as a whole
When a time lord (or part time lord) regenerates, not only does their body, but their personality, at least mostly
That was a truly magic moment.
doctor who needs to stop making me cry with these touching moment, as non sensical it can be its a brilliant show
Most beautiful moment in the new revival series
Robin Lodeon really?
Riversong is One Gorgeous woman
Damn!!! True love dat, giving up all her regenerations like that. She's definitely the Doctor's wife.
Here's a question for all the whovians - If Amy knew that River (her only biological child) was giving up her remaining regeneration's for the Doctor here do you still think she would have said he was worth it?
oooooo nice one
yazmac at this point. She does know that river is her daughter though, so....yes,
Now that's a "hello sweetie"!
''Hello Swetty'' I love this words
"Well I'm sure she'd know" He definitely told her to tell River his name is
Doesnt make sense now cos the doctor was a child from the time vortex and had unlimited regeneration therefore rive should as well since she was partially made from the time vortex so she should have unlimited regenerations, thank u Chris chibnall
Sucks when show runners have no regard for the integrity of the story.
Considering the current timeless child storyline River sacrificed her regenerations for nothing.
Eh while I agree the timeless child bit ruins 11th's new cycle it can't affect this as the poison melody used was designed to stop a time Lords regeneration
Also, the whole River is like a time lord cause she was conceived in the Tardis is bollocks, cause regenerations are a graft from the Timeless Child, so unless the Doctor participated in Melody's conception, how did River get the ability to regenerate? DAMN YOU CHIBBY
By giving up all her regenerations to save The Doctor, River will no longer be able to regenerate again and will die like a normal human.
She already died in the library episode, dont you remember
@@KHaLeD-jv7fu Let's Kill Hitler took place before Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead. The Doctor is meeting River Song out of chronological order. Let's Kill Hitler happened years before River sacrificed her life to save the library and this was when the brainwashed Melody learns of her destiny and that The Doctor was an important person in her future. From Melody's point of view, she hadn't yet met The 10th Doctor and the 12th Doctor and been to the library. Since she was born Half Time Lord, by giving up all her regenerations to save The Doctor, she would never regenerate again and she would die like a normal death and the library, which was a fixed point in River's history, sealed her fate forever.
Thankyou current writers as of 2020, this sacrifice is now meaningless. Just had to wait a few more minutes an the regeneration would have kicked in because the Doctor has limitless amounts of it.
It may be more complex than that. The time lord might have placed a mental and regenerative block on the Doctor during early years of the first incarnation back in the 60s, which was only removed by the time lords at the climax of 'the time of the Doctor' on Trenzalore. And considering the nature of the poison River used, regeneration may not be a solution to counteract it, instead requiring a transfer of regenerative energy.
Just my thoughts on the subject, but hope it lends perspective on how you look back on this episode scene in 2020.
Moffat is such a big picture guy when you think about it...the Doctor explained in the finale when he named himself the Doctor it was a promise to himself and this is the same thing. Melody names herself River as a promise to herself and the Doctor
He can't have told her he loves her cause when she meets capaldi she doesn't know he loves her
Wrong. She knows when he says "Hello, Sweetie!" after her big declaration. They escape and have their wedding night at the Pillars ( of something). A 24 year night.
index 1:30. priceless. when someone shows you all you can be ...it changes everything
My paradox was always River Claw. Another term for River Song.
The one who gave me the answer, it's Who you Are.
Forest of the Dead explained why she didn't regenerate in Forest of the Dead, even had we known about her regeneration ability... she told the Doctor that the energy would kill him beyond his ability to regenerate, and therefore would have done the same to her even if she hadn't already given the Doctor the rest of her regen energy.
I think this would have been a better way to get around the regeneration limit. If when she transfered them, that was a new set
Love how for all that the Doctor struggles to control his own regenerations other Time Lords or pseudo-Time Lords can easily summon or control it - suggesting something's fundamentally different about him, he lacks that control for some reason or he chooses to not control it.
Doctor: save amy and rory, find her, find river song.
Melody: WHY DID YOU SAY THOSE NAMES?!?!
You know, thinking about this again, at some point, it gets said that she gave up all her remaining regenerations here to revive and heal the Doctor... but in the end, it didn't really matter, did it? She seems pretty convinced that the Tenth Doctor, who had TWO regenerations left at the time, would not have survived what River was trying to do (which killed her, of course). Assuming she's right, it wouldn't matter if she had regenerations left herself or not; she still would have died in the Library, saving everyone.
your math is lacking, he was on his final regeneration at the time. He wasn't regenerating at this point for a reason, he couldn't.
@@vidia7400 It was before tenant regenerated into himself, so he still had 2 regenerations left
For the record Capaldi’s doctor and River Song were the best when together and I would watch the hell of just those two traipsing about the universe.
To all those who say it isn’t on Netflix, it IS on Netflix in the UK.
Ok, it was never disclosed what he told river here. It probably wasn't his name cause River's reaction was to save him, i'm guessing its somewhere more along the lines of " tell her i love you" or smth. I doubt saying his name to a River that just met him would be enough of a reason for her to sacrifice her regenerations for him. And if he had told her his name now it wouldn't make sense for him to say it again in "the wedding of river song". But hey, this is Moffat so anything can happen! :P
Hello sweety..
She such a good actress, and much missed in the doctor who of now.
*i've watched every episode of the rebooted run from the beginning with eccleson, yet every time i see these youtube clips **_'I REMEMBER NONE OF IT!!'_** maybe i regenerated after every season. **_#dewdewdewdew_*
The regeneration limit was a just a law on Gallifrey, Gallifrey doesn't exist anymore so neither does the limit to his regenerations. He can do it as much as he likes.
No. Its not.
Its more than just a law.
@QueenAlexstraza, the Time Lords can regenerate more than 12 times. They can live to be 9,000 years old, I'd think they would die a few more times than 12. What lead you to believe that?
They can only regenerate more than 12 times if they are given another regeneration cycle or if they steal regenerations from another Timelord.
As determined by 'The Deadly Assassin' and 'The Five Doctors' , 'Mardwyn Undead', 'Trial of a Timelord', et al.
When you realise that because of the change in timelord canon, he would have regenerated from this by himself and she gave up her regenerations for nothing.
When you fall rollerblading and your girlfriend won't help you get up
Oww. That's really sad actually.
Yeah. After reading the comments I agree. "Husbands of River Song" she said she doesn't know if doctor loves her.. and we know she knows his name.. if he said right now "my name is ..." her natural response WOULD be "I'm sure she already knows", 'cos why wouldn't this mystery woman the doctor keeps talking about not know his name?? Plus doctor knows river finds his name out at some point and right now thinks he's dying, so tells her to preserve the history/future? Mindblown
2:34
"River what are you doing?"
"Giving you second dose of that poison that's what"
That and the fact that she flat out said it would happen too fast for even a full blooded timelord to regenerate, thus the reason why river did it and not him.
People it was already explained that matt smith was the 13th doctor and so his last regeneration but he was also the 11th face since he used up 2 regenerations without changing appearance.It was all explained in the special and now Capaldi is the 14th doctor and 12th face and 1st doctor of his new regeneration cycle.There are 12 more doctors after Capaldi.Its all there in the christmas episode.
Fernando Rodriguez.
Despite all the Moffet hate (some deserved in the late capaldi era) much of the Smith/Ponds era was great.
Unless they bring back the Time Lords, this is likely the explanation they'll use. They could claim that it took all of River's regen energy to heal him if they go with another way to extend his limit, or say that he gained an extra half dozen or so regenerations after being healed if they want to go that route.
RUclips Search River Song's Theme, you'll find it.
@Rita L the Doctor is not sure if chemical poison will totally kill him or force him to regenerate; the Fifth Doctor was poisoned by cave spiders and the third by radiation poisoning- but since the Silence made the poison specifically to kill him, it must have also been designed to prevent regeneration.
This is seriously an example of the Bootstrap Paradox 12 mentioned.
The magic of the Time Lords.
Mel is Melody Pond. You even see her regenerate into River Song as we know her in this episode. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you meant because I don't know how you could miss that.
1:25 - Meanwhile River's there seeing this like, huh, so that's River Song. Can't say I've seen her before... Have I?
love is always wise
A more logical reason would be that the 11th doctor did not want his former self knowing or figuring out that he was gonna die and regenerate into the 11th doctor. After all it must be a fixed point in time. So the 11th doctor must've told River that when she meets his former self lie and say it was the 10th Doctor she had all the adventures with and not the 11th.
Dale Sands. It originated in England and will always showcase first. Be thankfull they even made BBC America. Brits rule
River Song, the Child of the Tardis, born with TimeLord regenerative powers. Forget Clara, River was the one born to save The Doctor, and this is the proof. Matt Smith as the Eleventh Doctor became my favorite Doctor second only to the immortal Tom Baker, the Fourth Doctor, who was my very first Doctor growing up.
Aww Melody was jealous of River.. thats cute
It's make-believe, but Alex Kingston makes me cry....
Love to know what it was he said to her. I suspect I know but I'd love confirmation.
I never liked the whole all-of-her-regenerations-to-save-him part. I feel like it could have worked just as well with one, since they'd already made it clear that regeneration wasn't an option at all in Silence in the Library. : /
I think Moffat forgot that last detail hence the whole using up her regenerations. I never liked that either.
My biggest concern is she kissed The Doctor to poison him. Then kisses him again!!
I´m not crying it´s just dust i my eyes TT-TT
The Doctor could have saved her life on Darrilum to be honest, She gave up her excess regeneration cycle to save the doctor giving that this incarnation was meant to be his last, River Song was only in her third incarnation she spent 24 years on the night of Darrilium the Doctor was granted a new regeneration cycle by the Timelords in the Time of The Doctor would it really have hurt if the doctor just gave her three regenerations of his life just to save hers even one would have sufficed. River is what grabbed my attention to doctor who after Tennant Capaldi kept met
watching as he was Iconic but after Jodie it took a turn. God Bless Alex Kingston My River. Right she sacrificed herself saving the early version of the Doctor Ten. But still I miss the interactions and the beauty of the story portrayed by the character it’s not cool that she was just uploaded to the biggest database in the universe.
You can’t just “gift” so many regenerations like that. It’s all or nothing.
i thought a part human part timelord child couldn't regenerate
Evidently you were wrong
+John John the doctors clone said otherwise but im guessing she was more timelord
+Dnbray if you mean 10.5, he was part of a biological metacrisis, which literally created a version of the doctor in a human body, who cannot regenerate (it also created the Doctor Donna). River was conceived in the Tardis during flight (in the time vortex I think) and this messed up her DNA and gave her time lord qualities (like regeneration) even though she was human
Oh, Well, the actual reason is because at that time, they didn't know Tennant was going to quit. In the Doctor Who universe, I guess it can be equated as, she didn't know if this was a future Doctor or a past Doctor. Or perhaps she HAS met the Tenth, we just never saw it on screen. Or maybe Eleven told her to act that way when she saw Ten? The world may never know...
I am following this river song saga again n again.. But still cant understand this timey wimey thing 🤔
well at that time she didn't know which incarnation of the doctor he was and what they've done together so she was checking and it was afterwards that she realised that he'd never met her before
Same actress as Nebula in Endgame, still a robot hahaha
To me it would have been better dramatically, if she was an actual Time Lord from Gallifrey, who had escaped the Time War rather than be the daughter of Amy and Rory.
That's a snog I'd pay good money for. A lot of really good money. & quite a lot of bad money, if needs be. Sweetie.
Abdullah Mughram Watch the most recent Christmas Special.
*SPOILERS*
The Doctor notes that he used up all his regenerations and that he was the very last. The only reason why he was able to regenerate at all was due to the Time Lords giving him a *brand new cycle of regenerations*. Meaning that when the 11th regenerated into the 12th, he effectively regenerated into the first incarnation of that set of regenerations. River Song's regeneration energy and what that did for him has yet to be touched on, if ever addressed again.
I think she didn't know if this was a future Doctor or a past Doctor, but then, after she asked if he was at the crash of the byzantium she look into his eyes and says "look at you, you'r young" and she doesn't ask anymore... but the theory about if river met the tenth can still be posible in the 50th aniversary...i cant wait!! thats why im here watching random videos of Doctor who T.T thanks for the vdeos
"YES yes mmhmmm he is!" LOL
Well, there was that time she said something about his faces never showing up in the right order, so I assume that River has pictures of all the faces of the Doctor, therefor she can recognize any of his regenerations, but doesn't know which ones are which.
So how does this fit into the canon, now?
The only water in the forest is a river
I don't know if they ever really explained why it took up all 9 remaining regenerations, like was the poison that strong or what. My pre Chibnall era head cannon was that two timelords could sync there regeneration cycles so they would have the same amount of remaining regenerations and with the doctor on their last regeneration at the time it would mean river would lose their remaining regenerations, the released regeneration energy would still be able to heal but it would prevent future use. The timeless child kind of ruined that head cannon, at least for this case but its still technically something that could occur in timelord society for say when two timelords get married.
No, he whispered "Look into my Eye." to reveal that the Doctor that gets shot is the Teselecta ship, rather than the Doctor as she would believe.
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