Professore, Grazie per l'intervista. Anche Eszther. Is it so that Dante and others did not in fact write in Sicilian (unless I misunderstood you), rather they took the idea of the Sicilian School who wrote not in Latin but in dialect or language, and Dante followed then in his dialect, Tuscan. Dante’s Latin Vulgaris, or dialect was different than the Sicilian and the other Latin-based Italic languages at the time - and their is poetry from all throughout Italy written in the various dialects. The Sicilian School was the first to do this. (I thought I heard you say that Sicilian itself was used as the poetic language).
Sicilian is not a dialect, the Sicilian language has roots that predate modern Italian. It has evolved from various influences including Latin, Greek, Arabic, Norman, and Italian. Its development parallels the history of the island of Sicily itself, which has seen waves of different cultures and languages over the centuries. Modern Italian emerged from Tuscan dialects and became standardized in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
Correct, I said the same thing in another post. It came from Latin with some Greek words integrated into it since it is within the Indo-European language family and spoken in Italy from Naples to Sicily since 800 BC. There are Arabic loan words largely from agriculture that indeed where Italicized, you are correct. But 80-85 of the words are connected to Languages rooted in Proto-Italic languages that stem from Latin another 10-12% maybe from Greek and some 3% of the words are words from Arabic adapted into the language.
What a must-see video. Thank you Ezster! Professor Cipolla is a true Gem and a wealth of knowledge of Sicilian history. Thank you for enriching my soul and making me a more proud Sicilian today
Pleasure to see you interview Prof. Gaetano Cipolla, who has done so much to promote Sicilian language and culture in the U.S. We are lifetime members of Arba Sicula from way back and I had the honor of meeting Prof. Cipolla as he was a good friend of the family, though distant, as we lived in Los Angeles. My gosh, as I think of it, that's a good 35 years ago. Keep up the great work You, Me, and Sicily.
Yes, and the Origins of the pastry Cannoli stems from Sicily! It was brought to Sicily by the Arabs from the invasions and our Language of Sicilian has a blend of the many cultures that invaded Ancient Sicily. I wrote an article in the IFAFA newsletter about the Ancient medieval and modern Sicily way back in the 1980s. The magazine was Tradizioni, we kept alive the traditions and culture of Sicily. Our language of sicilian has a blend of Arabic, Greek and much more. We are also a blend of different nations from the invasions that occurred back in History. By the way IFAFA stands for Italian Folk Art Federation of America. At that time the President of IFAFA was Elba Gurzau now deceased. We danced, sang and kept alive as much as we could the Culture of the Sicilian People.
Dear Eszter you knock it out of the park with this outstanding show/video. What an interesting, cultural, historical, societal lecture by Professor Gaetano Cipolla. So well spoken, smart, just educating Sicilians from the US, Canada and everyone else in the international community. It is truly a pleasure to see this show/video I cannot say it enough. Please keep doing these in the coming months not just with this marvelous, nobel, humble, scholar and a true gentleman with you and us all. Please try to get something like this with the Minister of Agriculture of Sicily and the Minister of Tourism of Sicily to educate us all about the growth, capacity, and business impact and sustainability of the entire island today and moving forward. Thank you for sharing this with all of us in the US and the world once again.
Here's my opinion on the Sicilian dialect. Over the many years, there's been many Sicilian dialects that have existed or have been disappeared. At one point there were distinct dialects from all the regions of Sicily as well as West Coast, East Coast and Central Sicily. The issue is the many due to immigration ( from all parts of the world )have disappeared from Sicily and can never be traced. Many towns that depopulated had these distance dialects.....Don't forget the Gallo Italian Dialects can be found in the following The languages are spoken primarily in the following areas: Province of Messina: Acquedolci, Montalbano Elicona, Novara di Sicilia, Fondachelli-Fantina San Fratello and San Piero Patti Province of Enna: Aidone, Nicosia, Piazza Armerina and Sperlinga Wooded, mountainous township under a blue sky Fondachelli-Fantina, where Gallo-Italic is spoken Other linguistic communities also existed in: Province of Messina: Roccella Valdemone, Motta d'Affermo and Castel di Lucio Province of Enna: Enna, Pietraperzia, Agira, Leonforte and Cerami Province of Catania: Caltagirone, Militello in Val di Catania, Mirabella Imbaccari, San Michele di Ganzaria, Paternò, Randazzo and Bronte Province of Syracuse: Ferla, Buccheri and Cassaro Province of Caltanissetta: Butera and Mazzarino Province of Palermo: Corleone and Vicari
Sicilian is not a dialect. It is a language. Proto-Italic branch of Indo-European that became the dominate language of Rome was Latin from the Latini tribe in Lazio. Classical Latin spoken by the Republican era Romans can be subdivided into Church Latin (the high theological Latin of the early Popes and Latin Church fathers such as Saint Hillary of Potiers, Saint Ambrose of Milan, Saint Jerome, Saint Augustine) and Vulgar Latin spoken by the lower classes. Saint Jerome translated the Bible into Vulgar Latin (Latin Vulgate) which is the immediate ancestor of all "Romance Languages". Romance Languages split into the Gallo-Iberian branch and Italo-Dalmatian branch. All Central and Southern Italian Languages are from this, which would include Standard Italian today (From Tuscany) and both Sicilian and Neapolitan, neither of which is a dialect of the Standard Italian Today from Tuscany. Gallo-Iberian leads to French and Northern Italian languages and Iberian to Spanish and Portugese.
@@palermotrapani9067@juicedgorilla138..........Can we say that Sicilian was the first language arising from a vulgar form of Latin spoken on the Island and due to its invasions and repopulated influences, the language was altered by these peoples by region, town and province that effected their dialect/ language by small or a larger degree in the past centuries.?
@@manitheman0806 No, we can't say that. The Latin Vulgate was translated in the 4th century by Saint Jerome with some helpers and was the standard Bible for Latin/Western Christendom well till the 16th century. Sicily was under the jurisdiction of the Pope in Rome clearly by the end of the 2nd century. Saint Cyprian of Carthage, a Latin-Church Father writing to the Pope in Rome and from other letters, we see Sicily was in close relations with the Church of Rome. Pope. So, we have clear evidence that the Bishops of Sicily were under the jurisdiction of Rome. Saint Benedict sent Benedectine Monks to Sicily and Pope Gregory the Great found some 6 or 7 Monastaries. The Byzantine emperors in the late 7th/early 8th century forcibly took control over Churches in Syracuse and Eastern Sicily and moved the jurisdiction of those Churches to the Patriarch of Constantinople, hence a return of Greek language back to Sicily. Under the Arab rule, it appears there was no Hierarchy and Catholics lived under dhimmi status or the hierarchy went underground. With the Normans coming in, Latin in Liturgy was once again allowed and Sicilian Catholic Churches went back under the jurisdiction of the Church of Rome which is what they were from the start. The Normans were Western-Latin Rite Catholics, also influenced by the Latin-Vulgate so when the Sicilian Schools of Poetry was founded, the root language for Sicilian was Vulgar-Latin used in the Catholic Latin Vulgate Bible. Greek words were added to the language as were Arabic loan words related to agriculture, but all the other languages that influenced the Sicilian Language were also "Romance" Languages that were also rooted in Vulgar Latin, that is any Gallo-Italian language from Northern Italy, any early French from the Normans or words from Spanish. I don't get your constant need to detach the Sicilian Language from its Latin roots and its place as a Romance Language within the Proto-Italic branch of Indo-European languages. Are you of Sicilian ancestry?
@@palermotrapani9067 I'm not detaching the dialect or the language from its Latin roots. That issue is a settled argument. The premise to my prior posting relates to the depopulation of Sicily in the late 19th century and how many dialects might of been lost due to the immigration to the Americas and around the world. Again, if you check out the Gallo Italian dialect posting that are available on YT, you can see this distinction of that particular dialect NOT the say its not its roots are not Latin but its distinction from another dialect. Lets say a Parlimitan dialect. Those dialects are also settled arguments because we know they towns were resettled by Northern Italians. Many articles and postings about them. Note, i've heard some Parlimitan dialects which was very difficult for me to understand. So, i'm going to stand firm on my theory that dialects due to remote areas were corrupted with particular dialects were lost to the great migration abroad to other countries....
Fascinating interview! I can’t locate the book, The Struggle for Sicilian Independence by Giuseppe (surname???). Can you sell it through your store or provide info on how we can order it? My GGPs came to the US from another part of the Kingdom of Two Sicilies, Basilicata. It is hard to get this kind of information that Professor Cipolla and this book present. My GGF was born about two years after Unification. I read somewhere that 10% of Sicilian children at that time were given up at the wheel regardless of the parents marital status because there was so much economic and political hardship. I have my GGM’s birth record but Im having a hard time finding her husband’s because he was a foundling. 23and Me says much of our Italian is actually from Sicily. I’d love to find out more all of this.
I have found your great channel about wonderful Sicily during my research - it opens a whole authentic world - really great dedicated job - thank you - new follower 😀 looking very forward to your upcoming videos
Note: What is the status of the Catania airport after the horrific fire of one of the terminals and then the summer of 2023 with all of the regions fires and disaster?
Is there a reason why you delete some peoples posts. Maybe there’s some rules I’m not understanding. I did some post, and I see it was deleted as were other posts of other people that I had registered a few minutes ago, they have all disappeared.
All of the comments (live chat) during the live showing go away a minute after it finishes. The comments after the live showing are attached to permanent recording.
I did have another posting today. I'm not sure why it was deleted. I thought it was very informative about the very first Sicilian migration to the USA.......not sure what happened. Was the positing deleted or censored?
This message is in regards to Cipolla's interview about the theft of the South in the time of the Unification. How did the South and Sicily, under the Spanish Bourbons, amass such a enormous wealth? Was it about the bureaucracy or government that gave them these freedoms ?
More with Professor Cipolla here ruclips.net/video/B_QFI_iraq4/видео.html
Professore, Grazie per l'intervista. Anche Eszther. Is it so that Dante and others did not in fact write in Sicilian (unless I misunderstood you), rather they took the idea of the Sicilian School who wrote not in Latin but in dialect or language, and Dante followed then in his dialect, Tuscan.
Dante’s Latin Vulgaris, or dialect was different than the Sicilian and the other Latin-based Italic languages at the time - and their is poetry from all throughout Italy written in the various dialects. The Sicilian School was the first to do this. (I thought I heard you say that Sicilian itself was used as the poetic language).
❤ The Beautiful Sicily ❤
Sicilian is not a dialect, the Sicilian language has roots that predate modern Italian. It has evolved from various influences including Latin, Greek, Arabic, Norman, and Italian. Its development parallels the history of the island of Sicily itself, which has seen waves of different cultures and languages over the centuries. Modern Italian emerged from Tuscan dialects and became standardized in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
Exactly what we spoke about on the video!
Correct, I said the same thing in another post. It came from Latin with some Greek words integrated into it since it is within the Indo-European language family and spoken in Italy from Naples to Sicily since 800 BC. There are Arabic loan words largely from agriculture that indeed where Italicized, you are correct. But 80-85 of the words are connected to Languages rooted in Proto-Italic languages that stem from Latin another 10-12% maybe from Greek and some 3% of the words are words from Arabic adapted into the language.
What a must-see video. Thank you Ezster! Professor Cipolla is a true Gem and a wealth of knowledge of Sicilian history. Thank you for enriching my soul and making me a more proud Sicilian today
Glad you enjoyed it!
Pleasure to see you interview Prof. Gaetano Cipolla, who has done so much to promote Sicilian language and culture in the U.S. We are lifetime members of Arba Sicula from way back and I had the honor of meeting Prof. Cipolla as he was a good friend of the family, though distant, as we lived in Los Angeles. My gosh, as I think of it, that's a good 35 years ago. Keep up the great work You, Me, and Sicily.
Thank you so much!
AGREE! It is important to keep the Sicilian language! ❤️❤️❤️
Yes, and the Origins of the pastry Cannoli stems from Sicily! It was brought to Sicily by the Arabs from the invasions and our Language of Sicilian has a blend of the many cultures that invaded Ancient Sicily. I wrote an article in the IFAFA newsletter about the Ancient medieval and modern Sicily way back in the 1980s. The magazine was Tradizioni, we kept alive the traditions and culture of Sicily. Our language of sicilian has a blend of Arabic, Greek and much more. We are also a blend of different nations from the invasions that occurred back in History. By the way IFAFA stands for Italian Folk Art Federation of America. At that time the President of IFAFA was Elba Gurzau now deceased. We danced, sang and kept alive as much as we could the Culture of the Sicilian People.
Dear Eszter you knock it out of the park with this outstanding show/video. What an interesting, cultural, historical, societal lecture by Professor Gaetano Cipolla. So well spoken, smart, just educating Sicilians from the US, Canada and everyone else in the international community. It is truly a pleasure to see this show/video I cannot say it enough. Please keep doing these in the coming months not just with this marvelous, nobel, humble, scholar and a true gentleman with you and us all. Please try to get something like this with the Minister of Agriculture of Sicily and the Minister of Tourism of Sicily to educate us all about the growth, capacity, and business impact and sustainability of the entire island today and moving forward. Thank you for sharing this with all of us in the US and the world once again.
Thank you so much ! I will certainly do more interviews like this.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge on my beautiful Sicily.
There has been a common denomitor amongst the king, Garibaldi, Cavour and Mazzini. I simply hope and pray that you would understand.
Buona Domenica a Tutti!!!
Wonderful presentation! Thank you!
With all due respect, what does building a bridge have to do with losing the language? I fail to see the connection.
Yeah!!! For bringing the Sicilian Language Back in Sicily!!!!!
Thank you for a very interesting podcast.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Here's my opinion on the Sicilian dialect. Over the many years, there's been many Sicilian dialects that have existed or have been disappeared. At one point there were distinct dialects from all the regions of Sicily as well as West Coast, East Coast and Central Sicily. The issue is the many due to immigration ( from all parts of the world )have disappeared from Sicily and can never be traced. Many towns that depopulated had these distance dialects.....Don't forget the Gallo Italian Dialects can be found in the following The languages are spoken primarily in the following areas:
Province of Messina: Acquedolci, Montalbano Elicona, Novara di Sicilia, Fondachelli-Fantina San Fratello and San Piero Patti
Province of Enna: Aidone, Nicosia, Piazza Armerina and Sperlinga
Wooded, mountainous township under a blue sky
Fondachelli-Fantina, where Gallo-Italic is spoken
Other linguistic communities also existed in:
Province of Messina: Roccella Valdemone, Motta d'Affermo and Castel di Lucio
Province of Enna: Enna, Pietraperzia, Agira, Leonforte and Cerami
Province of Catania: Caltagirone, Militello in Val di Catania, Mirabella Imbaccari, San Michele di Ganzaria, Paternò, Randazzo and Bronte
Province of Syracuse: Ferla, Buccheri and Cassaro
Province of Caltanissetta: Butera and Mazzarino
Province of Palermo: Corleone and Vicari
Sicilian is not a dialect. It is a language. Proto-Italic branch of Indo-European that became the dominate language of Rome was Latin from the Latini tribe in Lazio. Classical Latin spoken by the Republican era Romans can be subdivided into Church Latin (the high theological Latin of the early Popes and Latin Church fathers such as Saint Hillary of Potiers, Saint Ambrose of Milan, Saint Jerome, Saint Augustine) and Vulgar Latin spoken by the lower classes. Saint Jerome translated the Bible into Vulgar Latin (Latin Vulgate) which is the immediate ancestor of all "Romance Languages". Romance Languages split into the Gallo-Iberian branch and Italo-Dalmatian branch. All Central and Southern Italian Languages are from this, which would include Standard Italian today (From Tuscany) and both Sicilian and Neapolitan, neither of which is a dialect of the Standard Italian Today from Tuscany. Gallo-Iberian leads to French and Northern Italian languages and Iberian to Spanish and Portugese.
@@palermotrapani9067@juicedgorilla138..........Can we say that Sicilian was the first language arising from a vulgar form of Latin spoken on the Island and due to its invasions and repopulated influences, the language was altered by these peoples by region, town and province that effected their dialect/ language by small or a larger degree in the past centuries.?
@@manitheman0806 No, we can't say that. The Latin Vulgate was translated in the 4th century by Saint Jerome with some helpers and was the standard Bible for Latin/Western Christendom well till the 16th century. Sicily was under the jurisdiction of the Pope in Rome clearly by the end of the 2nd century. Saint Cyprian of Carthage, a Latin-Church Father writing to the Pope in Rome and from other letters, we see Sicily was in close relations with the Church of Rome. Pope. So, we have clear evidence that the Bishops of Sicily were under the jurisdiction of Rome. Saint Benedict sent Benedectine Monks to Sicily and Pope Gregory the Great found some 6 or 7 Monastaries. The Byzantine emperors in the late 7th/early 8th century forcibly took control over Churches in Syracuse and Eastern Sicily and moved the jurisdiction of those Churches to the Patriarch of Constantinople, hence a return of Greek language back to Sicily. Under the Arab rule, it appears there was no Hierarchy and Catholics lived under dhimmi status or the hierarchy went underground. With the Normans coming in, Latin in Liturgy was once again allowed and Sicilian Catholic Churches went back under the jurisdiction of the Church of Rome which is what they were from the start.
The Normans were Western-Latin Rite Catholics, also influenced by the Latin-Vulgate so when the Sicilian Schools of Poetry was founded, the root language for Sicilian was Vulgar-Latin used in the Catholic Latin Vulgate Bible. Greek words were added to the language as were Arabic loan words related to agriculture, but all the other languages that influenced the Sicilian Language were also "Romance" Languages that were also rooted in Vulgar Latin, that is any Gallo-Italian language from Northern Italy, any early French from the Normans or words from Spanish.
I don't get your constant need to detach the Sicilian Language from its Latin roots and its place as a Romance Language within the Proto-Italic branch of Indo-European languages.
Are you of Sicilian ancestry?
@@palermotrapani9067 I am....on both sides...Trapani, Sicily
@@palermotrapani9067 I'm not detaching the dialect or the language from its Latin roots. That issue is a settled argument. The premise to my prior posting relates to the depopulation of Sicily in the late 19th century and how many dialects might of been lost due to the immigration to the Americas and around the world. Again, if you check out the Gallo Italian dialect posting that are available on YT, you can see this distinction of that particular dialect NOT the say its not its roots are not Latin but its distinction from another dialect. Lets say a Parlimitan dialect. Those dialects are also settled arguments because we know they towns were resettled by Northern Italians. Many articles and postings about them. Note, i've heard some Parlimitan dialects which was very difficult for me to understand. So, i'm going to stand firm on my theory that dialects due to remote areas were corrupted with particular dialects were lost to the great migration abroad to other countries....
Superb video!!! One of the best❤❤❤
Thank you so much 😀
Fascinating interview! I can’t locate the book, The Struggle for Sicilian Independence by Giuseppe (surname???). Can you sell it through your store or provide info on how we can order it? My GGPs came to the US from another part of the Kingdom of Two Sicilies, Basilicata. It is hard to get this kind of information that Professor Cipolla and this book present. My GGF was born about two years after Unification. I read somewhere that 10% of Sicilian children at that time were given up at the wheel regardless of the parents marital status because there was so much economic and political hardship. I have my GGM’s birth record but Im having a hard time finding her husband’s because he was a foundling. 23and Me says much of our Italian is actually from Sicily. I’d love to find out more all of this.
Thank you for sharing your story. I will add the book .
La storia di Arturo di Modica potrebbe essere interessante,se non conoscete gia’
Wonderfully episode
Amazing and Informative ❤
Thanks a lot 😊
I have found your great channel about wonderful Sicily during my research - it opens a whole authentic world - really great dedicated job - thank you - new follower 😀 looking very forward to your upcoming videos
Thank you?
Ciao a tutti! Buona domenica!!! 😊❤ It is a little bit rainy here in Ispica today.
Stay dry!
Note: What is the status of the Catania airport after the horrific fire of one of the terminals and then the summer of 2023 with all of the regions fires and disaster?
Back to normal!
Is there a reason why you delete some peoples posts. Maybe there’s some rules I’m not understanding. I did some post, and I see it was deleted as were other posts of other people that I had registered a few minutes ago, they have all disappeared.
Not sure what comments. I have not deleted any.
All of the comments (live chat) during the live showing go away a minute after it finishes. The comments after the live showing are attached to permanent recording.
I did have another posting today. I'm not sure why it was deleted. I thought it was very informative about the very first Sicilian migration to the USA.......not sure what happened. Was the positing deleted or censored?
I saw another post from you but not about that. @@manitheman0806
@@YouMeandSicily I'll repost...Hope all is well
La cultura nel mondo.🌎
Loved this video, I love all your videos ❤
Thank you !
This message is in regards to Cipolla's interview about the theft of the South in the time of the Unification. How did the South and Sicily, under the Spanish Bourbons, amass such a enormous wealth? Was it about the bureaucracy or government that gave them these freedoms ?
No...watch tomorrow's video and he explains
@@YouMeandSicily Ok...Thanks