This is what I've been saying. Sorc can do decently, but it needs perfect gear to do anything. Meanwhile I can start up a Rogue / Barb and within the time I hit 100 I'll have good enough gear to out DPs my Sorc.
in s4 my first class was a rogue and it was so strong, even after many people speculated it was going to be the weakest class, that i thought it was just uphill from there. Considering I was doing tier 100 nmd's without any masterworks or greater affixes, i figured the game was just going to get easier. Next class I made after Rogue was a Druid, and the Druid not only took many more hours to level, i had to get damn near maxed out gear to even touch nmd 95. My rogue, that I spent a total of maybe 15 hours playing, was stronger than my druid with over double the time played, and the same went for the sorc that I leveled up next. Then I leveled a BARB and that was even more ridiculous. Its insane to me how unbalanced the classes are and how it has been the exact same way since the launch of the game. Blizzard, balance your game
the difference is CRAZY! sorc needs help BADLY! i'm pushing chain lightning to its limit without the crown and yet it still doesn't come close to other classes
why i skipped sorc this season to play rapidfire rogue, fun active playstyle build that didnt use exploits but early on they broke the build and forced me to make heartseeker rogue that did end up having unintended exploit . Hard to enjoy nice things with the game
Second comment, but also a different train of thought. But why, in the PTR, has the barbs and rogues seen nothing but straight buffs (bar the bash temper nerfs), meanwhile both sorc and druid have recieved nerfs to their most important defensive skills. They already cant compete in terms of damage, but were able to become very tanky, or in the case of the sorc unkillable. Now thats not even an option. I know druid got a buff to earthen bullwark which helps, and they can also now have more skills on their bar with the changes to shepards, but regardless. Why even nerf the two worst classes in the game at all? Not to mention, blizzard nerfed thunderstruck on the druid by capping it and IIRC a COUPLE sorc paragon boards were capped too. It just makes absolutely no sense as to why the two consistently worst classes keep getting nerfed, where barb and rogue just keep getting stronger and stronger. I saw a video earlier today of a rogue having 300k life. Granted, its not even close to the barbarians possible 500k-600k life, but regardless, a sorcerer could NEVER get anything even remotely close to that. Its just absolutely ridiculous that in terms of both raw damage and raw defense, sorc falls so far behind literally everything else and was STILL nerfed on the ptr.
Blizzard probably nerfs based on skill/aspect usage rather than damage output. They see everyone builds sorc in a similar way (they have to) so they nerf skills like teleport to try to force players into other more uncomfortable options. Just my theory.
@@Lurkin17 They have either no clue or they are doing pre-expansion balancing which gonna change everything, but imo it is really wrong approach , you can't just mess up current game like this, people won't be even interested in the future. Devs said they listen, but what, to who, Barbarian community ? xD
@@d3filerThey are listening to people like Rob. He repeats all the time that sorc has the best build in the game right now. Which is indeed bullshit.
If they would allow druids and sorc to hold a 3rd weapon like rogues, that would probably help quite a bit. Necros too, but they don't seem to struggle as much.
@@Lurkin17 nah, caltrops is just super awkward to use. Has a huge cast delay, melee range, makes you jump backwards, but the damage bonus is too good not to use it
Sad thing is unless you're a barb, blizzard doesn't give a damn lmao. They need to address this in a campfire chat. Why keep buffing a class that's already extraordinary? 100% certain because it's the casuals class so they gotta be able to do billions of damage with the press of a button. If a class or build is even remotely complicated, it's gonna be ass. Cool builds are usually terrible while boring builds are S+++++++++++++ tier
Both would lose with Barb without a gear xD Let's create more OP generic items like Crown of Lucion, Shard of Verathiel, or Locran's Talisman. Blizzard has no idea what they are doing so they will do the same as always... buff Barb and nerf everything else to the ground. This is Barblo IV. Sorc and Druid need more slots. Focuses/Totems should be small items and they should be able to wear 2H + 2 or 1H + 3 Focuses/Totems.
Good job blizzard! damage is meh at best,survivability is trash but hey at least our zdps skills look nice. Very doubtfull the new "reworked" uniques like fireball staff will help . (and why tf old uniques are not updated in the ptr? no need to test them huh blizz??)
This is what I've been saying. Sorc can do decently, but it needs perfect gear to do anything. Meanwhile I can start up a Rogue / Barb and within the time I hit 100 I'll have good enough gear to out DPs my Sorc.
could you imagine if we didn't have tal rasha!!
how much worse it would be
in s4 my first class was a rogue and it was so strong, even after many people speculated it was going to be the weakest class, that i thought it was just uphill from there. Considering I was doing tier 100 nmd's without any masterworks or greater affixes, i figured the game was just going to get easier. Next class I made after Rogue was a Druid, and the Druid not only took many more hours to level, i had to get damn near maxed out gear to even touch nmd 95. My rogue, that I spent a total of maybe 15 hours playing, was stronger than my druid with over double the time played, and the same went for the sorc that I leveled up next. Then I leveled a BARB and that was even more ridiculous. Its insane to me how unbalanced the classes are and how it has been the exact same way since the launch of the game.
Blizzard, balance your game
Sad 2 see. Maybe another 4 seconds to teleport cooldown will help!
the difference is CRAZY! sorc needs help BADLY!
i'm pushing chain lightning to its limit without the crown and yet it still doesn't come close to other classes
Sad Sorc Noises
why i skipped sorc this season to play rapidfire rogue, fun active playstyle build that didnt use exploits but early on they broke the build and forced me to make heartseeker rogue that did end up having unintended exploit . Hard to enjoy nice things with the game
Second comment, but also a different train of thought. But why, in the PTR, has the barbs and rogues seen nothing but straight buffs (bar the bash temper nerfs), meanwhile both sorc and druid have recieved nerfs to their most important defensive skills. They already cant compete in terms of damage, but were able to become very tanky, or in the case of the sorc unkillable. Now thats not even an option. I know druid got a buff to earthen bullwark which helps, and they can also now have more skills on their bar with the changes to shepards, but regardless. Why even nerf the two worst classes in the game at all? Not to mention, blizzard nerfed thunderstruck on the druid by capping it and IIRC a COUPLE sorc paragon boards were capped too. It just makes absolutely no sense as to why the two consistently worst classes keep getting nerfed, where barb and rogue just keep getting stronger and stronger. I saw a video earlier today of a rogue having 300k life. Granted, its not even close to the barbarians possible 500k-600k life, but regardless, a sorcerer could NEVER get anything even remotely close to that. Its just absolutely ridiculous that in terms of both raw damage and raw defense, sorc falls so far behind literally everything else and was STILL nerfed on the ptr.
Unless they come out with some serious updates and reworks, I reserve the right to think they have no clue what they are doing at A fundamental level
Blizzard probably nerfs based on skill/aspect usage rather than damage output. They see everyone builds sorc in a similar way (they have to) so they nerf skills like teleport to try to force players into other more uncomfortable options. Just my theory.
@@Lurkin17 They have either no clue or they are doing pre-expansion balancing which gonna change everything, but imo it is really wrong approach , you can't just mess up current game like this, people won't be even interested in the future. Devs said they listen, but what, to who, Barbarian community ? xD
@@d3filerThey are listening to people like Rob. He repeats all the time that sorc has the best build in the game right now. Which is indeed bullshit.
I’m probably missing something but do crown and starless do anything for either of these builds?
Yeah the sword makes it so you spend resource when you use a basic
@@Lurkin17thanks a lot.
If they would allow druids and sorc to hold a 3rd weapon like rogues, that would probably help quite a bit. Necros too, but they don't seem to struggle as much.
The problem with sorcerer right now is that it does not reward you commensurately for the hard work you put in
We just can’t scale because we have no uncapped nodes
@@Lurkin17 And if we do it's on stats that don't work in the build, and it gets removed immediately. No fun allowed.
Sorc and Druid have beautiful animations and absolutely shit balance. Makes me so sad.
Sorc is the best feeling class
@@Lurkin17what do you mean?
sorc sucks but caltrops is the worst gameplay in D4.
i have no idea how to play rogue and kept forgettting what buttons i needed to press
@@Lurkin17 nah, caltrops is just super awkward to use. Has a huge cast delay, melee range, makes you jump backwards, but the damage bonus is too good not to use it
When he said we have a real build...😭
brother. its the realest we are going to get. and it's nothing
we the weakest class 😅
Sad thing is unless you're a barb, blizzard doesn't give a damn lmao. They need to address this in a campfire chat. Why keep buffing a class that's already extraordinary? 100% certain because it's the casuals class so they gotta be able to do billions of damage with the press of a button. If a class or build is even remotely complicated, it's gonna be ass. Cool builds are usually terrible while boring builds are S+++++++++++++ tier
Barbs issue is 2 fold. 1 is uncapped scaling with beserking, the other is 4 weapon slots
I mean I hate Heartseeker gameplay plus the whole lucion + shard combo seems way over tuned, I want more single element sorc builds to be viable.
Both would lose with Barb without a gear xD
Let's create more OP generic items like Crown of Lucion, Shard of Verathiel, or Locran's Talisman.
Blizzard has no idea what they are doing so they will do the same as always... buff Barb and nerf everything else to the ground. This is Barblo IV.
Sorc and Druid need more slots. Focuses/Totems should be small items and they should be able to wear 2H + 2 or 1H + 3 Focuses/Totems.
Yeah the good as Barb damage was me being sarcastic and facetious
Solution for season 5: make shard and lucians Sorc/Druid only 😆
Big facts
@@Lurkin17 Fun fact: Crown of Lucion does not scale Ice Spike damage from Blizzard -_- (finally found the Crown and did some testing).
Good job blizzard! damage is meh at best,survivability is trash but hey at least our zdps skills look nice.
Very doubtfull the new "reworked" uniques like fireball staff will help . (and why tf old uniques are not updated in the ptr? no need to test them huh blizz??)
Fireball staff will always be ass unless it becomes a wand
Overall nat inpressive but Chain linhtning Sorc can do 4 million of million dmg.
Just because of the bugged Crown of Lucion.
Chain lightning will go back to dealing negative 2 million DPS after lucion axial bug is fixed
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It's not a poorly built Rogue. Not optimized OK but hardly poor. Plus you're running two OP new uniques.
I ran the same uniques on sorc in giga perfect gear and performed about the same. Thats the comparison