Overwatch 2's Steam Launch FAILED HORRIBLY - Here's Why
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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Team Fortress 2 (TF2) is a team-based multiplayer first-person shooter video game developed and published by Valve. It consists of nine classes, Scout, Soldier, Pyro, Demoman, Heavy, Engineer, Medic, Sniper, and Spy, and two teams, Red and Blu. The teams try to take the others' objective, such as an intelligence brief case, or a control point.
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"TF2 is from 2007 and has only ONE developer"
- thank you janator for keeping the game alive.
The janitor died of exhaustion long ago, now all we have is the pot plant
And thank you to the zoo who gave him insporation
Wait a second, is it not 15 years old or 16 I'm not sure.
@@blazermettro2059 actually close to 17, but most games are considered dead long before hitting double digits, so impressive nonetheless.
vaalve told him hey tf2 player are getting mad go drop some maps or somthin
Team Fortress 2 should be considered an indie game by now with that one developer.
he's one, but too op
Hey hey hey hey.
It's not just the potted plant, gotta remember about the janitor!
@@simplysmiley4670 I wouldn't be surprised if an actual janitor worked on the game lmao
This is why indie games are so good
true
Even Valve is learning from its own terrible choices, they gave birth to the concept of the battlepass, and now they're getting rid of them
I actually really like the random drop system instead of battlepass since you dont need to sweat your ass off gettting xp and instead just chilling and getting random equipment along the way
They invited pay to win cosmetics, microtransactions, random gambling on microtransactions, going free to play for more microtransactions, and battle pass.
They have invented/help to start really bad things in games, and while they learned better, they only learned better when it stopped earning as much money.
@@queue1312 it doesnt matter the circumstance, it matters that they did anything. Blizzard has proved time and time again that no matter what goes wrong they will never change anything
@@queue1312 Oh really. The only big difference I see here is that one doesn't learn from a colossal screw-up, instead chooses to double down. Don't you guys have phones?
@Psy-Dog atleast tf2 did something, blizzard has done none, tf2 even with its sins kept a fixed amount of characters, overwatch tries to keep going with new content as the form of new heroes, tf2 was able to get new gameplay without new heroes in the form of weapons, overarching didn't. And the one fucking time they had the chance to do something new that a tf2 player will respect, They ruined it, hell even tf2 had mvm.
Team Fortress 2 aged so perfectly that Valve doesn't even need to add contents, they just ask for the communities and literally get free work! AND! the ones that made the works got homemade version of the items they put on the market! Win win for everyone.
The problem is that, if OW2 hadn't been constantly pushed as a competitive game or if the devs hadn't broken the promises made previously (or hadn't made those promises in the first place) then OW2 would be legitimately superior to TF2, but because Blizzard's execs like to mess in affairs that don't understand and just want money, then the game and it's playerbase had to suffer for it.
I don't think self-made items are marketable or tradeable (That would invalidate "'I made this" mark)
@@DarkOmegaMK2 thats the problem with OW , literally just milking a cow for money. And thats what makes tf2 live longer than OW tbh . Literally 3/4 of the reviews that are mad are OW fans . Not even close to 10% are tf2 players. They mess with their playerbase . And the playerbase hits them back hard.
@@ZealotEnjoyer This whole thing is similar to the whole Warcraft 3 Reforged drama. Blizzard just never learns, this is why they don't deserve anything anymore.
@@DarkOmegaMK2 I agree!
I like tf2 and ow at the same time . Sad to see one of them getting hate due to their creator
The way I see it, TF2 is Luigi in 'Luigi wins by doing nothing'. The game just exists at this point and then outlasts any potential competitors by doing almost literally nothing. Those competitors keep on running themselves into the ground or the game just dies for some other reason. TF2 outlasts all even with the bot problem that it has and it's to a point where the remaining players either adapted around these bots or just play on community servers.
Not the fault of the developers, it's the awful higher ups. Those devs are really good, but they are being told to produce wet garbage. You can't just say "no" to your boss, that's how you get promoted to janitor.
The janitors are actually good for tf2
@@REDOYSTERCULT302 lol
You can absolutely say "no" to your boss and go find another job. Game devs are in high demand. All the good ones already did so. That's why they are left with bad ones with horrible upper level people ruining anything they put out.
@@ZealotTF2 Have to disagree with you, I believe all the "good" devs stayed with TF2 to the very end. There are no "bad" devs when it comes to Valve, they have just been pushed to other projects at the moment
Talking about Blizzard and Overwatch my man.
it’s funny but almost everything we love and hate about the video game industry can be traced back to valve
You know who really popularized Lootboxes
CSGO while yes Tf2 has lootboxes before CSGO
CSGO was on demand lootboxes that we designed by phycologists to be addicting
The battle bass was first created by Dota 2
and well as much as i love steam
Steam is basically a monopoly on the PC gaming market that killed physical media and we still don’t know valves plan for when steam shuts down (they said they have a plan back in 2013 but they’ve never elaborated on that since and we can only theorize what it would be)
i love valve i think they overall are still more of a good than evil (similar to Nintendo Atlus or Sega) but god these gaming companies need to realize that unless your Valve or Nintendo you aren’t going to get away with it
those 2 companies have both revolutionized gaming and have strong fanbases that are willing to put with alot of shit
Your fanbase will split the moment you even try to do one third the shit those 2 have done
as horrific as games for windows live was, at the very least it gave us physical pc games. steam had an excellent opportunity to firmly standardize that and they just didn't.
Actually, MapleStory had something similar to loot boxes before valve did, but yes, valve popularized the concept
Who the hell cares if Valve has a monopoly and is the origin of lootboxes. They are still going to make money and lie about half-life 3, and valve also has one of the most powerful and active fanbases.
Heck they even have like 3 Goty awards and their games were made 15 years ago, but they still have a thriving community.
WHAT??? NINTENDO DEFO EVIL
@@moltengears7483 Nintendo isn’t evil they are just idiots
They have an amazing work culture (i mean they are one of the few Japanese companies that actually has positive work reviews) and they both revolutionized and saved the gaming industry multiple times
Like valve they have a long list of sins but to call them purely evil is dumb eps when companies like Activision Blizzard Sony and Microsoft exist
WE PUTTING THE OVER IN OVERWATCH WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🔥🔥
BLIZZARD BOUTTA STOP OVERWATCHING US WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🔥🔥
@@Rended_ TF2 players got new competitors then.
Overwatch fans is now taking a lead in loathing Overwatch and beat them in the gravel pit dispute now.
Its almost like they shut down the first game...
... And then made a sequel that was could essentially just of been an update. Even the PVE thing could just of been introduced in an update, but no, money hungry game developers who can't keep their promises
Both TF2 and Overwatch were mistreated by their devs, but TF2 was left alone, rather than being shot
This is not the ow2 dev's fault, its the money hungry company. The devs actually care about the game, but the company doesn't.
@@rory8182 Valve neglected the TF2 fan base, Activision Blizzard actively and knowingly scammed the OW player base.
While OW2 is a good game on paper, the ethics behind it are abysmal.
@@Kaiserboo1871 Thank you for giving credit where it is due
@@rory8182 At least in TF2's case, it was getting updates/rebalancing for TEN YEARS. Overwatch 1's entire lifespan was 6.5 years, and I'll be shocked if OW2 is still going in May 2026 to reach 10 years combined between the "two" games. The big reason TF2 is still alive, though? The community. They can actually do their own thing outside of what Valve officially makes. Activision doesn't allow that with Overwatch, so when they fuck up, there's nothing you can do. And HOOOOOO BOY did they EVER manage to do that...
tf2 was released 4 days after i was born and it stuck around long enough for me to be playing and enjoying it right now so i think tf2 is going to last forever
Nah, when Steam shut-down, so will all other Valve services.
@@diamondhamster4320I think Valve would have to be very stupid to let that happen.
Do you even know how much money steam makes for valve not in a million years would steam be shut down.
That and there's always the issue of if your game isn't on steam it won't get bought the pc gaming environment basically revolves around Steam.
@@therandomheavy4570 Could easily happen. Entirity of Valve is owned by Gabe Newell and all core final decision go trough him. In a theoretical situation where he would have died in accident, the new mamnagment would step in.
That new managment could make a bunch of very Elon Musk-levels of crappy bussiness decision that would probably put Steam at the fore-front of closure like, for example, making ownage and creation of Steam Accounts a paid feature - a 15 USD price for creating a Steam account and 15 USD per month subscription for having your account maintained and having acccess to it.
Also there are quite a lot of place outside Steam where you can acquire PC games - legal and illegal ones. On top of that quite a lot of PC games like Escape From Tarkov for example can only be bought from their respective unique website or have some kind of Stand-Alone launcher un-connected to any digital distribution platforms like Steam.
@@diamondhamster4320when steam shuts down 💀💀what world is blud living in??? 😭😭
@@yuenin5318 Reallity? Everything ultimatly comes to an end, mate. Trees die, animals die, your and mine parents will die, every single person will one day die either by growing old or other natural/un-natural causes.
Can’t believe that a Plant is beating all of the OW developers
Dang I never thought I would see Jack Horner roast OverWatch 2 and expose it like this.
I can’t Un hear it
i genuinely feel bad for OW2. it had a massive set up for lore, decent gameplay, in a large community (even if for the wrong reason). it makes me kind of sad to see it go down the drain because the higher-ups wanted a quick cash-grab.
I don’t feel bad for blizzard though their evil
@@REDOYSTERCULT302 No one feels bad for Blizzard.
I feel bad for the OW community.
The worst valve has done to the TF2 player base is neglect them, valve didn’t actively scam us to make a quick buck (though they did screw us over in other ways for different reasons).
I don't feel bad for them, fuck blizzard, fuck them in the ass!
It made a sh@t-ton of monetary profits. That is all that matters. Same with Valve. They abandoned TF2 cause compared to DOTA and CS and Steam over-all, TF2 does not generate enought profits.
@@diamondhamster4320TF2 nowadays is like old man way long pass his peak
Overwatch 2 is like that one young enterpreneur the old man hates for his attitude, who end up died a horrific death that even old man pity his death.
I think it seriously should be said more that this isn't the developer's fault. They do the best they can with the horrible directions and decision making of the corporate executives who are actually behind the descent to failure of overwatch. I hope that with blizzard being bought by Microsoft things will improve and the dev team will actually be given the chance to make the game how it was always meant to be
I'm gonna push a little against calling the developers lazy and incompetent. We've seen what Bobby Kotick and the rest of the corpo gang have done. They might be crunched to hell, or left in disarray after losing so many employees to layoffs, union busting, or outright sexual abuse (And the scapegoat resignations that happen).
Plus, there seems to be "big news" coming out every time a controversy happens, so they're probably even more crunched loading one in the chamber for when we find out ol' Bobby's been to a certain island a few years back.
So both games dug a deep pit but
Tf2 has a slow elevator thats prob gonna get them back up
While over watch has a ladder that may break
Nah, tf2 never fell, it just slowed down a little. A closer comparison is a small ditch tf2 tripped a little in and got stuck while overwatch kept digging that hole
Its more like TF2 accepted it's fate and made a luxury condo in the bottom of the pit, while Overwatch kept talking shit as it climed out and inevitably kept sinking back after each attempt.
Emesis blue moment
Tf2 has aged like the craisins on top of the fridge, overwatch has aged like any dairy you forgot to put in the fridge.
Oddly specific but weirdly true.
You practically said that "TF2 won this war whitout even putting a fight and that's a problem" and I 100% agree
i hope saudi arabia win the ow world cup and then leave
I'm pretty happy that Overwatch is now on steam, because now we can see through their lies.
I mean one of Overwatches biggest things was that it sold 40 million copies, which then got whitled down to 25 million players for OW2, which then would be whitled down even further by looking at concurrent players on a 3rd party site (which was around 10 million when I looked at it in late October), to now roughly 40k concurrent players on Steam.
Thats because most of the players are still playing on Battlenet + the console community is huge
Few months ago i tried to play OW2 through battle net
1. The password i put there didn t work
2.when i tried to change the password it didn’t let me
I tried the same, I created a battle net account and physically could not play
man if i could, i'd apply to be a dev for tf2
I would too
tbh it's good both of you cant
@@topkek7587fr
The requirements are probably a deep understanding of the original source engine and realistic the clusterfuck that is tf2 code as well at this point.
Gl if you actually wanna go through w/ that(a good step would probably be to start simple with understanding already thoroughly documented and already understood processes of tf2 such as why the objector recolor fails and allows full color through the process the tf2 community uses quite a bit i mean theres over 2 thousand colored objectors(realistically alot more))
I view overwatch as the rwby of the FPS genre, at first it started a little rough but it had likeable aspects.
Now it’s introducing pointless additions that add nothing and make decisions for the sake of seeming like they’re so progressive and inclusive. (Remember that diversity chart blizzard planned for OW2?)
And ironically both series are owned by awful companies that treat their employees and IP’s like dirt and only care for the income rather than their fanbase enjoyment; *AND* both have “those” kind of fans with a weird obsession with said terrible company and will shill any money for them no matter the quality of the product.
yeah basically the fana rt and fanfiction scene are carrying both those IPs.
theres also some really good TF2 fanfics specifically "the last engineer" comes to mind
@@arkura1812 is that an actual story or the thing that starts with p and ends with n?
@@gregorymirabella1423 actual story. I wouldnt be advertising R34 stories here unless its a r34 vid lol
"Cough cough" Mimi sentry
RWBY is actually a good story though, whereas you have to work to try and piece together the Overwatch lore we've been thrown and some of it STILL doesn't make sense. (Also, I do agree that the latest volume has been..... odd, to say the least. But everyone could see BMBLB 500 miles away.)
I remember when someone said "why play paladins when overwatch is free now" but considering recent events "why play overwatch when paladins and tf2 are free"
Imagine how huge TF2 would be if Valve still cared enough to have a team delivering regular content for it.
Most people really doesn't seems to realize that there is something called "Burn out". Imagine working on the same game for more than 10 years. I love TF2, but I would get burned out at that point. And the devs probably are.
@@skaynne54 I imagine having to do the bare minimum to keep a highly successful game alive for over a decade is an easier job than having to develop like five successors to it in that timeframe.
Honestly Overwatch 1 was so fun, I loved the franchise until the came out with 2 and closed down the original Overwatch. Blizzard is just a fuster cluck of horrible stuff.
4:15 I don't think it's fair to bash the devs like that when it comes to talking about skill level. I don't see how the outcome of overwatch would come from their skill when the direction of the game is based on the higher ups.
ow2 players when u say his game is dead : Yes, we know 👻👻
tf2 players when u say his game is dead : umm actually 🤓🤓☝☝
6:00 not exactly. TF2 weapons are mosty side-grades compared to the stock ones and can be obtained via random drop.
Item sets did give you stat boosts for a whole tho.
Yes, but certain weapons are still more effective in certain situations than others. Not being able to have full access to all of them at once is a big downside.
Man, im just confused why TF2 doesn't have any devs other than the only one somehow holding the game together.
Tens of thousands of players built on top of 1 dev.
Seems ironic, yet it's true...
its because the games code is a complete mess of spaghetti that isnt documented well enough for a NEW Dev to properly work on. Heck if u look at vids for said spaghetti code. there the coconut pic whose removal breaks the game for soem reason. theres code that has annotatiosnt hat states even the persont hat wrote some fixes doesnt evne know why they work when by logic they shouldnt.
Its honestly something Managers and money grubbers dont understand. 1 OLD dev workign on a Porject ofr multiple years is gonna be vastly more effective than 20 devs starting ont he project no matter how much experience those 20 devs have if they havnt worked on anythign similar.
If im honest i Hope that after the TF2 source 2 project made by fans is done. Valve might ask to aquire it from them through hopefully Nice means. cause at that point its a part of the completely new engine AND has a hopefully less spaghetti code allowing for better additions int he future.
@@arkura1812 The coconut image thing is a hoax.
@@arkura1812I think valve should what they're doing CS and port/remake TF2 on source 2
@@arkura1812 Nah let TF2 with it's law defying code remain the way that it is, if we fix the engine Blizzard might try to use it to make another ripoff of tf2
i feel bad for the OW players that got the game when it was good
I have a physical copy of Overwatch for the PS4. It's useless now (:
I feel like my lil bro can make a better game than blizzard.
Damn. This man doesn't get tired of trashing on Overwatch.
And he wont keep complaining on battlenet 😊😊😊😊
The correct answer is that Blizzard finally got what’s been coming to them for a long while. Had to happen eventually.
I like tf2 but it feels kinda dead also. Queueing for casual always gives me an unbalanced match or 5vs5 and shows 'searching for players' on tab. Maybe I am doing something wrong and 90% of players are afk or playing custom servers?
This stuff can depend on your region, just the same as the bot problem. The game does make an effort to match you into servers close to your region so you don't have terrible ping and all the issues that brings.
Rn us americans are having a blast with TF2, no bots full lobbies and just in general a time to be alive. I feel bad for the other regions tho
I am playing in european servers but I dont know if they function the same as the US servers. Oh well :p
@@notyourdad361 Yeah sadly european servers tend to get the short end of the stick, sorry man
Hah, I see
Glad to see you're making longer videos, like you used to.
I'd like to add some points
-steam is mostly new players, the game runs at slightly higher fps on bnet than steam because steam runs in the background and battlenet doesn't
-you can still get into a game in a few minutes or less depending on what you queue for, but it should go without saying that of course you'll have hour long queues if you play at 4 AM on a top 500 account
-blizzard ended their deal with tencent earlier this year
-overwatch league was a lost cause and has been bleeding money from when it started, overwatch league shutting down was inevitable and overwatch, contrary to popular belief, HAS NOT been pushing for the game to be competitive (and I'm saying this because I wish they did!) Don't believe me? Ask any top 500 player, or the contenders players who seeked legal action because they weren't getting paid on time
While yes, tf2 is a great game, let's not defend valve here, valve made this great game and they do nothing but neglect it and overwatch is in a similar situation where it's a great game but the higher ups at blizzard make decision after decision that is making the game worse but at its core it's an amazingly engineered game with a lot of depth but also has a lot of moments for goofy or cheesey moments to happen, and I would like to disagree about the devs not being talented, they really are, but with how blizzard is structured they have very little choice in what goes in the game because as a publicly traded company every decision affects the bottom line of its shareholders, and many employees have come out with stories about having their time wasted on pointless side-projects only for them to ultimately be scrapped making it harder for them to just focus on the game.
If you have read all this, then thank you, I hope you'll see what I've said as what it is; a disagreement, but in good faith, I have thousands of hours in overwatch and i just want to see it do well but blizzard keeps fucking up, however, I do think some criticisms are unfair, but why would I care, you might ask? Well the reason I care is that it distracts from the real problems, like their lack of communication and recycling content.
Hate on Overwatch all you want but you don't disrespect the devs like that, if anyone is to blame its the higher ups att Blizzard
If I could describe the current state of Overwatch vs TF2, i'd define it with the Mann brothers rivalry,. That is TF2 vs Overwatch, 2 old beasts that have been fighting for too long, and have basically become walking corpses, waiting for the other to drop dead, and in the end one does, not long before the other does as well.
Overwatch is not an old beast, it isn't even ten years old yet. You're also implying that TF2 will die soon after Overwatch does, which we have no reason to assume will be the case.
wait... TF2 started as a pay 2 play game, in 2012, long after it came out, the game went free, and the lootboxes where actually invented an populirized by fifa
No surprises here, it was dead from the start. Overwatch 1 was a struggling game when it came out, so no surprise Overwatch 2 is crashing and burning. Good riddance to a game by a bad company.
Shame because I actually had some fun while playing the first game. But Blizzard will be Blizzard and destroy all the good in this dying game.
TF2 will live on! And we will outlast any that try to match us!
saying overwatch 1 was a struggling game when it came out is blind fanboyism ngl. You can like TF2 all you want but just because everyone is on the hate OW bandwagon doesnt mean you can start lying as if it wasn't massively popular
"match us"
Lul, cultists.
@Rended_ Not yet though, it's going to die, even if it's a slow painful death.
@Rended_ It's pretty okay, kinda got bored with it and the lack of good long lasting pve stuff. It's okay, just not great as it is during the various temporary events like Christmas and Halloween.
@@Rended_ Agreed, that would have kept a lot of pve players playing the game, boosting the player count considerably.
I think OW2 is suffering more from crappy management than lazy devs
At this point Overwatch 2 is a cautionary tale at this point
At this point.
Daily reminder Overwatch 2 was announced around the same time that whole Hong Kong controversy was happening with Blizzard
Really makes you think they were scrambling for something to get people's mind off another one of their controversy
As far as I’m concerned the only way to make people want to play the game is PvE mode. Which of course has been canceled despite it being the whole reason Overwatch has a “2” on it.
"valve dosen't make new games"
Counter strike 2
Valve outsources the entire development of Counter Strike to another company
@@ZealotTF2 :sadspongebob:
That's not new game that is just CSGO ported over to new engine
I'm hoping Overwatch's source code gets leaked just so people can make better versions of Overwatch with actual mod support
The porn was better tbh
Rel
I just wanna see Phil Spencer come out in the Gamescom and say "Hey, we are sorry for the OW Team decision, we are going to commit to keep the previous promises", Like, it's not impossible to do what they promised it would be the number 2 in the game.
this was interesting
Cash grabbing garbage is cash grabbing garbage, no matter where you put it
Calling ow2 a update is too generous, it's a DOWNDATE, ow1 was far better
Even though valve isn't making games anymore they are still working on their existing and stuff like steam OS, the steam launcher, steam deck, old titles bug fixes/game updates, etc
The only competition tf2 would have is is tf3 released
We all know that Valve can't count to 3 though
@@jacksonlee6760 sadly
@@jacksonlee6760 Braking news, VALVE learned how to do basic math and released Team Fortress 4 and Half Life 4 by- wait wait WHAT?!!! (Lol)
TF2 has more players than Overwatch...on Steam. Anyway, the whole TF2 vs Overwatch fanbase war is stupid and has always been so. These two fanbases need to come together against the true enemy: these big corporate shitbags who destroy artist's work (games with love and passion behind them) in order to make a quick and easy profit. That's what happened to Overwatch from 2019 to present.
It really sucks how OW got treated. I really thought it would be a fun game that would last a lot longer.
TF2 made a handfull of characters and built upon them. Overwatch makes a billion characters and build on none of them.
True
When OW2 devs try to get investors with schemes nut tf2 is like “hey we have a really cool seal”
I agree with your viewpoint of OW2, the game is a rotting corpse that is trying it's hardest to squeeze as much cash as it can before it completely decomposes, however, i don't think it's the fault of the developers here, i'll quote what TheWhatShow said "the reason as to why PvE was scrapped was because of upper managment moving away people from working to the PvE content, into working for the actual 5v5 game, because they weren't selling enough battlepasses"
I know that it's not a direct quote from him but that's pretty much what he said
This whole video is an ice cold take. I love TF2 to death, but that 100,000 player count doesn’t look so attractive when you realize they’re 90% bots (just go to teamwork tf to see the bot-to-human ratio). Calling Overwatch dead when Overwatch has 3x the playercount of TF2 during their respective peaks on Steam alone is just plain disingenuous.
If Overwatch fans constantly went out of their way to make videos about how TF2 was a “dead” game, I would understand the sentiment behind this video.
But they don’t, so can we just admit both games are far from dead, enjoyable for different reasons, empathize with how each our games have been deeply mismanaged, and stop having the most pointless war in history already?
I remember the drama with your channel but you've really done a 180 and make informative nice content now
I was expecting the average haha overwatch sucks ass with no evidence behind it but you've provided lots of research and logic its really nice
good video zealot
informative my ass, close to everything he says is bs, 80% of the ow comunity didn t make the swich tto steam yet, 90% of negative comments come from overwatch players who played consistently tthe past few years or left in the past few years. I hate blizzard they managed to shatter our worst expectations and we hate them for what they did to a great game, but saying that tf2 has more players than ow while the official servers are so full of hackers you have to go to comunity servers is ridiculous. especially in the first day when players enjoy the new content rather than downloading it again and having to find their password againt to login etc
@@capten272check this out you're in the video 0:05
@@capten272And your evidence for ANY of this is.....?
Blizzard doesn't post player numbers so I have no clue where you got the 80% number nor the 90% number for the comments.
I don't know what servers you are playing that are full of bots, but to claim that most players are bots in a game that hit it's all time peak this summer is just asanine.
@@capten272 wow you are projecting HARD.
@@thunderspark1536 last time i played tf2 there were hackers in every game making it close to unplayable, overwatch, especially on release dates if ne season is really active, so much so that their servers cannot handle it. its true that ow servers are crap but dont tell me that they cannot handle half of tf2s playerbase. I speak from my experience, from my games, in average 2 or less out of 10 players in my lobbys have connected to steam, I played 30 games, to connect to steam you have to redownload the game, connect your account etc, Most didn t even know ow came to steam and don t care. the batlenet launcher isn t great but it does its job and I never had any complaints about it so many players won t even bother to swich, steam is just more practicall for many. so How is it a surprise that the launcher that everyone used for the past 7 years has more players than the launcher that has the game since before yesterday, the game is still on batllenet and will remain there its NOT a launcher swich.
Ironically, no, they didn't beg, it's sadder than that. In order for allowing the Microsoft deal to pass, they are required to put certain games on multiple platforms, both CoD and OW2. Also Microsoft has a contract with Valve to put certain genre's of their own titles on Steam, namely FPS's. So yeah, Blizzard didn't want it on steam, it would put it up for actual customer reviews and player stats, but they don't have a choice if they want to be purchased by MSFT.
Overwatch was fun for a time, but never really had any staying power. Every character has locked in abilities and no weapon variety, the best you can get are skins whereas, say, an Engineer could have be stock, versatile with mini-sentries, be a mix of offence and defence with the Rescue Ranger or a berserker who slaughters Heavies on the frontline. You see a Junkrat, you immediately know 'that character has a grenade launcher and is likely going to rev up an explosive tire.' There's no variety, no personalisation, it's one and done no matter how many characters they have.
Even their PVE modes weren't anything all that special with 'you four, exactly as you are, need to complete these objectives' as opposed to MVM's 'the waves get tougher, but so do you and there's a bonus for doing well'.
And in their efforts to pursue 'inclusivity', they ended up damaging the characters they already had, making it look more like such things were arbitrarily crowbarred in long after their creation for the sake of political pandering rather than something that happened organically. TF2's pretty light on story even considering things like Expiration Date and the comics and even these nine classes have more charm and personality than a majority of Overwatch's cast will ever have unless their name's McCree, Winston or Hana Song. No, I'm not calling him anything other than McCree, it's a name and shouldn't be changed because a terrible individual happened to have the same one, you don't see the Nambian politician changing his because it's the same as a failed Austrian painter.
You really lost a lot of credibility by constantly comparing TF2 to Overwatch. Overwatch curled up and died on its own, you don't need to compare it to anything to demonstrate that. It's incredibly easy to point out exactly how Overwatch killed itself without mentioning how TF2 is superior every other minute. Getting ahead of the obvious replies, to be clear, I'm apathetic towards TF2 and hold disdain and resentment towards Overwatch
*Did it?*
Gamers need to learn actions speak louder than words. Sure, overwhelmingly negative reviews, but it's also ranked 15th today for most concurrent players, managing 71k concurrent players at one point.
Basically, people are talking trash about the game while shoveling Blizzard's shit into their mouths and effectively saying "please sir, I'd like some more" through their actions/wallets.
Here’s something I should say, I used to be obsessed playing Tf2, then OW came out and I started playing OW more then TF2 until well OW2, every time I was playing OW2 it just reminded me TF2 and it’s name literally got me to go back on playing TF2 again.
It’s so crazy that blizzard has over 10 million devs who have more work time and constant updates but yet got their butts kicked by a janitor who knows nothing about coding🤯
Well, hold on there, I'm sure he has a Beginning programming for dummies book. In the wrong coding language most likely, but he has that!
Ngl first half of the video just seems kinda wrong? Like you literally still can't make the argument about the player counts because Overwatch is also multi-platform same way with GTA V like you've mentioned towards the mid end. TF2 very likely does have more players I'll give you that but because Blizz wont give us that statistic on their launcher and the respective consoles OW is on we truly never will know and its not a fair argument to make. People knew where to get Overwatch before and it coming to Steam is honestly not going to make everyone suddenly swap over to Steam. SURE a ton of people will and I am one of those people but they've already came to terms to have Bnet on their computer in the first place just to play it before so idk why they would move beyond just preferring to use Steam. People are lazy and they'll jus keep the game installed on Bnet just so they don't have to reinstall the game and / or deal with the bugs that would come with a new launcher for the game as they already have it installed and ready to go and working already.
Queue times aren't as bad as that graphic you posted and honestly that's legit just misinformation for queue times now, highest I've seen is like 10 Minutes as a GM player for quickplay and 15 the highest for comp but that's during late at night. The graphic you used was an old screenshot when the game was going through that unacceptable content drought by a high level player amongst like less than 1% of the player base to be able to matched with that person fairly in competitive matchmaking and does not represent the Queue times today. 5+ minutes (which is the highest I see during normal hours) is honestly stupid don't get me wrong but it is NOT 30-times worse.
To basically insult the devs who are basically taking orders from the gaming industry's Hitler also feels a bit tactless? A vast majority of the problems with the direction of Overwatch is because of higher management positions, There's an old Overwatch dev who called Bobby out on twitter for putting the devs through a bunch of work and then telling them to scrap it once they put months of work into it. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason why the sequel for Overwatch even happened in the first place was a push by the CEO himself. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if the reason Kaplan and Goodman left was because of Bobby's ridiculous expectations for the dev team. I also don't want to say the devs are these poor innocent people being controlled with everything because they do have some amount of accountability for making some REALLY stupid decisions and they're known for doing so. Just seems super spiteful to insult them in this position when its company greed causing these issues and they're forced to comply or work somewhere else.
IDK if I'm not in the same spaces as you are in the TF2 community but I see WAY more TF2 players caring a lot more about Overwatch than Overwatch players do about TF2 players, maybe I'm not on the frontlines of this stupid OW v TF2 debate but the only times I really see any Overwatch fans talk about TF2 is when TF2 players boast about how much better their game is and that they "outlived overwatch!!" under some Overwatch related blunder and get the response of "Broke person fights broke person" argument. It just feels like random malice out of nowhere and I just don't get it. Both games are being kept alive only because they generate revenue for their respective companies and are being mistreated heavily and it just doesn't make sense to be fighting this war for these companies who only seek to benefit by being quiet while we measly peasants fight over scraps of content we receive.
Now I don't think the reason why Overwatch 2 coming to steam is because of the Overwatch league though that is a good point. There is a rumor that the reason why Overwatch came to steam was so they could get their market with china back as they don't have to resign a contract while still being able to have their hands in the Chinese market albeit at less of a pace due to steam getting a cut too. Which is why I think they moved to steam myself, personally I'm glad they did so we the Overwatch fanbase can finally hold Blizzard to a publicly accountable beyond making twitter rants and youtube videos as Blizzard is very good at doing the whole "There is no war in Ba sing se" thing and acting like things are hunky dory. Its just unfortunate that its likely not due to them suddenly wanting to have better PR or adding more ways to download it out of the goodness of their hearts.
Overwatch 2 failed on steam because people are done with Blizzard's bullshit and rightfully so. Just sucks one of my favorite games is the joke of the gaming community and its ran by a super shitty company while what people who still play hope to god they get their shit together and get some nasty Stockholm syndrome alongside the shitty actions blizzard are responsible for. Hopefully being on the biggest PC game's marketplace with an Overwhelmingly Negative review on it will get those higherups to kick their head into gear but that's like hoping your cat will suddenly like taking a bath and I don't foresee the game getting better. I just hope I'm wrong and that I didn't waste 2k hours of my life each for TF2 and OW as both are seriously neglected and won't get any better because both companies don't feel like they have to try anymore..
Ok, but i dont get how is overwatch 2 able to host competitions with huge prize money. The same for Rainbow six (which i sincerely dont understand how they manage to give such huge prize money for a game in which 50/50 people say "its dead and full of cheaters and unfair gameplay".
The only good thing about Overwatch is the porn
W to that guy who wrote into reviews :"bad game, good p*rn"😂
Honestly its a shame that this game is currently crashing and burning because it's not a bad PVP game but so much is done wrong with this game
It's sad to see Overwatch fall from grace as to be real, the real reason why the original creator of OW left blizzard not because of the developers but because of the e-sports league branch that was messing things up for the devs and the direction of the game that Jeff Caplan had to leave blizzard because of the company was favoring competitive over what the game was so supposed to be from the beginning...
Indeed this is Sad for what Overwatch had become...
I prefer TF2, but there are some things we need to consider. For one, by our best estimates there are roundabout 30k bots in TF2 24/7 as determined by mastercoms' tool. I don't know why and how that makes sense but that appears to be the case. So when TF2 reports 100k players, it's actually 70k.
The other thing is that OW2 is still on BattleNet and we have no idea how many people play it on BattleNet vs Steam. Blizzard doesn't reveal any data at all. There are some shady third-party websites that claim to have a good estimate on the total playercount but they have zero data to work with and they only exist to shove ads in your face, more than half the web pages are taken up by ads
and tf2 corn is still better
there are 15 devs in dev tf2 team, not one, its just valve letting them chill out and do their own side projects, they are basically free to do stuff
TF2 doesn't care about Overwatch? Believe me I wish that was true. Meat your Match update was a direct resault of TF2 devs trying to compete with OW1. It was by far the worst update TF2 ever recieved, removing quick-play, disabling mods on official servers and killing the community servers. All because Valve wanted TF2 to be more competitive and decided to make the casual experience into competitive light. Nowadays sure - TF2 doesn't care any more but that's a lesson they learned once it was too late.
Does anybody remember when Blizzard actually went with the free china movements and got banned completely and china refused to hage their players go into tournaments?... Those were the better times..
when i wrote this comment, according to steam db, OW2 has 37k players.
TF2 has 107K.
and before you mention consoles, the game is free so the mayority of the playerbase will be on pc, so lets say its a 40/60 spilt between pc and consoles. that means theres 55K on consoles, which is still not even a mile away from TF2's numbers.
fun fact. in overwatch they released it on steam because they wanted to see what people think of the game with steams awsome commenting system when it comes to reviews
Jeff never wanted the competative mode in the first place, let alone the gold weapons
Overwatch 2 to lore
“Swipes credit card”
Tf2 lore: 🐒 🚀
The player count of tf2 is double of overwatch 2's player count 💀(more than that)
Idling Bots, Cheating Bots, Trading bots, etc
@@cliffwalker459ok no one is perfect especially not blizzard and valve
jeez man even with that theres still more tf2 players@@cliffwalker459
@@cliffwalker459 Even if half of TF2's player count was cut to account for bots, that would still put it on par with OW 2, which is pitiful considering TF2 is a 16-year-old game with very poor management.
Someone on one video left me a comment like "There are 23 times more players in overwatch than in your tf2", then I checked how many people are playing at that time in tf2 and overwatch (for overwatch I had to go to some site), in As a result, TF2 has much more online.
When your argument is air
edit: (this was 5 month ago)
EA been sitting REAL comfortable these past couple years.
Battlebits out sale their 2042 and EA is never coming back from this
cuz the game is bad
Mindblowing stuff here
And while Overwatch is falling apart, TF2 is getting by just fine.
as a gamer nerd I didn’t expect Another Medium from Undertale in the background.
at this rate mfs will still be playing tf2 in 3007
Overwatch is comparable to someone running out of fine old wine and using the same bottle, but replacing the wine with rotten disgusting milk that has been sitting in the fridge for thousands of years and no one should be drinking because it is disgusting girdled cheese that is not even drinkable, while passing it off as the same wine it once was by only slightly changing it with food dye that is the same color as the wine that used to be in the bottle. but with OverWatch porn on the other hand they've been able to preserve that bottle before the curdled disgusting milk got in it and regular OverWatch could have done that but didn't.
since when did only a single person work on the game? Voice actors? Model designing? Map building?
The game devs are okay, and the art team is top-tier, but the blizzard executives ruined everything. Their greed was dialed up to 12, and Jeff Kaplan couldn't stop it, so he left.
Tf2 is basically chess at this point. Chess has NO devs, but people still love it.
As much as I hate OW1/2 giving tf2 a little to much credit here. The popularization of f2p, loot boxes and p2w games was without a doubt NOT tf2, thats an insane take, and not really a point towards tf2 but a great point against it if that was the case. If you're curious what game/games actually popularized p2w lootboxes and all these desperate cash grabs, it was actually maplestory an old mmo from Korea in fact the mass introduction of p2w mechanics started earlier with other Korean games being introduced in the west. So this entire part of the video is just verifiably false.
TF2's community IS better than OW, but again a little to much credit here, its not that much better. There are some good points in this video but a lot of is just wrong, saying no one uses bnet as a launcher for OW is again, absolutely a shit take its a bad launcher yeah but masses of people still use it. Steam charts arent indicative of player count for a game with a separate launcher, as much as youd like that to be the case its just not, OW might have less players now than TF2 but if you basing it off of just "HAHA BNET BAD" and steam charts thats not how you come to that conclusion.
OW2 is an absolute garbage fire and TF2 is better than ever right now, but wow this video was just shit take after shit take you try and prove tf2 superiority as a game and in its longevity in the literal worst ways possible, how? Its such an easy win for TF2 right now, youre like blizzard you could have said NOTHING and it wouldve been better than this.
Only things we can agree on are Blizzard is shit, the game aged like garbage and OW2 is an obvious cash grab thats dying and being milked. Everything else unironically sounded like the ravings of a fan boy who wanted to jump on the ow2 bad bandwagon. You even ended up listing this under OW2 instead of TF2 lol now thats just sad. Extra points because I enjoy TF2 more and you still made me argue in favor or OW, nice job.
Correction at 1:10, TF2 is an AMAZING game from 2007 with only ONE developer, and a passionate community.
I play tf2 and owervatch, but damn. The least bias Tf2 player:
Nah, at this point the tf2 vs overwatch relationship is more like tf2 saying “mmm, first time?” as both walk away into the sunset with the small loyal communities
Overwatch: the old grey mare she a'int what she used to be....
Team Fortress 2: yeah Don't hold my beer, I'm just gonna sit at watch!
imagine so many devs working on overwatch get beated by a game from 2007 and has 1 dev
, Overwatch was TITAN a Failed project due to Blizzards internal corruption that caused them to SELL! This company FAILED all of us!
The orange box version of TF2 on Xbox 360 will forever be the funnest multiplayer game ever made. Fight me