There's a company in Europe who have come up with an injection moulded frameset, the plastic material is loaded with steel and carbon fibres. The strength is comparable with carbon fibre, but has all the advantages of injection moulding, speed, reliability and conformity. This is the future.
Dealbreakers for me: no mudguards, no rear or front luggage rack, and no suspension... (although the Z bend holding the seat post looks a little bendy under compression) Sticking with my magic pie and 2 kWh battery that I built over 6 years ago and still killin it...
no mudguards is the biggest dealbreaker by far no standard handlebar clamp (although it looks cool), it will make it really hard to add some nice aftermarket lights (Supernova, Lupine, or even some Chinese ones with low beam and high beam) unable to change the screen angle is annoying too and who knows what you can change with an aftermarket part on something like this lol (probably nothing other than the wheels, tires etc) atleast having front sus would've been nice, even some generic crap one
The belt drive is a good system. I had the gates one with the 1000w Bafang HD and everyone was saying the belt won’t last etc… it split my Sturmey Archer IGH in 2 pieces! Like tore it in half! lol
I have this bike and I've got to say it is disappointing. The battery drains over night just sitting in my garage. After turning if off it makes an annoying clicking noise. Customer support is poor and not helpful. Perhaps this will get better over time but be prepared for growing pains.
Simple yet elegant Andy, bet it cost a bomb, and you must be living in a newly discovered part of the UK as your always riding around building sites haha 😂
Maybe Turbo mode is like the physical Turbo button which used to be a feature on many desktop PCs. It used to make me feel better to activate Turbo mode on my computer, but I’m not sure if it ever actually did anything!
It's a beautiful bike. And the fact that it's very light is handy especialy in those moments when you have to lift the bike over a fence or barrier . Are in a situation where there is no lift on a train platform
Yes the battery drains, I've told them about this issue. It's because the GPS and electronics doesn't go to sleep, they said they were fixing it with software.
Thank you for awesome review. I love the scenery during your test ride. I ordered the second generation Carbon One with upgraded 7 speeds and a 350w motor. I should be receiving the Carbon One this month around the 10th - 15th. Can’t wait. Had to drive 250 miles to a bike shop that had a Carbon One demo to test ride and loved it. I tested so many e-bikes and some were good and others ok. My biggest problem with so many Urban e-bikes there are too heavy and don’t go that far. During my test ride with the Carbon One had no issues with distance, wind, uphills, or comfortability. The seven gears does make a big difference when facing hills and wind. May I add the Urtopia has been amazing throughout the process before buying and afterwards. Yeah, there are times corresponding through emails I may have to wait a few days for a response, but the overall communication has been top notch. I can’t really say if they’re cons about the company or e-bike, non in my experience. Again, I am only referencing to the 2nd gen Carbon One, not the one in this video. FYI, Urtopia also has an another e-bike, “The Chord.” The Chord has the exact same features as the Carbon One with the exception of the carbon frame and looks. But, all is the same as the Carbon One with intelligent LCD panel, seven gears, and 350w motor. after the discount code, The Chord is only $1,399 (US). Plus, The Chord weighs less than 47lbs. and the Chord longest range is 75 miles (normal condition, body weight, and paddling assist on level one). The Chord will soon to ship in mid of May 2023. So, I highly recommend Urtopia Carbon One or The Chord. Lastly, Urtopia has not sponsored me in any way. This is 100% experience I had so far with the company and during my test ride with Carbon One.
good technology but too slow . uk law needs to change and until then I still see plenty on big ebikes with no issues . biggest issue will always be drivers
@@tc5042 It's that extra bit of speed which bikes lack that makes a danger. And it leads to some of the stupid behaviour we see. We do need a 20mph / 1kw limit.
Hey Andy, is there a battery box mount base with a more beefier connector than the Hailong 5-pin? For me its a bit weird to use a 7p high current battery with only 30A output.
Throttles are just so much safer. I can pull away with so much control. My bike is a rear wheel hub motor, if you try and peddle hard to pull away and lift the front end at all the bike is going to get away from you and as it takes off, you will pull the throttle trying to keep hold of it. Seated and using the throttle is by far the safest way to pull away.
Seems like a fun bike. The rearview radar looks interesting. Some of those city tyres can be super puncture-proof if you choose the right make/protection.
Hi Andy do you sell any twizy parts accessories I am looking for the type 2 charging lead. It would be great if you could do an updated twizy accessory video thanks
Hello, I love your videos. I'm torn between getting a eBike or eMoped I don't know what Will be better for getting around locally & beyond. The moped will go faster & be more like a car. The ebike will be able to go on road & off-road plus on the train. I'm looking at a Vanmoof X3 or NIU NQI GT. Please advise
Cool bike and something to keep an eye on. Lightweight is likely the future of ebikes and only 30lbs is great. I like the battery and frame design, and that it appears the design might provide a little flex from rear bumps. I've thought a carbon flex design frame could be a good suspension alternative, but I would prefer some front dampening for bumps and height adjust for the handlebars. All the electronic hat-tricks are almost a turn-off for me. I'd prefer a range/Amps/Watts feature over annoying voice call outs. I'd prefer 350W or more options at 48V, with a 250W mode.But unless they were going to up size the tires 250W and 15mph is likely a sane design choice. Also, even if it's pretty efficient, with only a 350w/ah battery I'd like a larger battery option (a little bulge is fine) that fits the same battery slot and/or an affordable second battery option with a secure carry case on the frame. Fingerprint sensor is cool but if you are wearing gloves a pain. I don't like keys so perhaps a Bluetooth interlock, voice unlock, or even just a programmable simple tap code to unlock, i.e. three short and one long tap or whatever the rider sets. Also, attractive integrated fenders would be a plus
Actually light weight is not the future. You know zero about motors, batteries and power distribution. Look at anything electric, such as a Tesla, and if you want safety and power and reliability, you are not getting “light weight.” It’s an oxymoron. And definitely not needed when you have electric assist. Weight is less of a factor than wind resistance and you need considerably more power and torque than the wimpy 35 nm this delivers from a low rpm hub motor, if you want to go up amy grade or overcome basics I d resistance at speeds above 12 mph. Then if you have any headwind, forget about it. It will feel like you have no motor if you have a headwind of 10 mph, and you are trying to go a mere 12 mph. Your battery that Small will be cooked in 30 minutes. So unless you are riding in an ideal situation on a non windy day, perfectly flat roads, and going maybe 10 miles out and 10 or less miles back, this really is a waste of hard earned money. But if you have easy earned money you can throw away on a toy that you might ride a dozen times a year then by all means, this is for you. Knock yourself out and have fun blowing $2200 to $3000 on it.
@@specialist-in-tech On what do you base your allegation that I know zero about motors batteries and power distribution, what specifically did I say that was untrue or that runs counter to what you said? I was commenting on bike that already exists, saying that weighing only 30lbs and that goes 15mph was reasonable, and offered no other conjecture. If someone wants an eBike that weighs 100lbs and goes 30+mph there are other options. If you want a light and compact e-bike it's an option, and the price is likey not an obstical for those who can afford to spend $50k to $100k on a Tesla. BTW, I have an electrical engineering degree, worked as and Industrial Wireman, Instrument tech, communication tech, and project engineer for some of the largest oil and gas construction contractors in the world (VECO International and Wright Shugart). I spent decades working with motors, batteries and power distribution from small DC motors to over 5,000 hp synchronous 5KV motors, switchgear, motor control centers and motor speed controls. The following is an example of one of the projects I was project engineer on for construction and comminsioning of power generation, distribution, and control: 'Endicott Island - Wikipedia Endicott Island is a 45-acre (18 ha) artificial island located in the U.S. state of Alaska, 2.5 miles (4 km) offshore and 15 miles (24 km) from Prudhoe Bay of the Beaufort Sea. Endicott Island was built in 1987 by Alaska Interstate Construction and is used by BP and Hilcorp Alaska for petroleum production '
@@jackoneil3933 you don’t know squat about the physics, power and required weight of the battery and motors to generate sufficient assist for an ebike. I know because you said light weight was the future. That’s just bogus thinking. . I’m a degreed mechanical engineer who has worked with batteries, motors, fuel cells, solar and more related to this technology. Been in the ebike business for 15 years. I’ve forgotten more about motors and batteries than you’ll ever know in this application. Also I too have worked most of my career with the power generation industry for firms like General Electric. So you are a project engineer ? How does that apply to knowing anything about motors and lithium batteries in these sizes. Again nada zip zilch. Also what do you know about mechanical design ? Again, nada zip zilch. Big motors ? Big effing deal. I worked with 10,000 hpmotors back in the 80’s, but that has zero to do with this application. Your cv is impressive for raw huge projects that have nothing to do with transportation, bikes, or even electric vehicles. The only way you will get a lightweight ebike is with a wimpy motor, and very tiny battery. Carbon fiber complicates things dramatically. You could go buy a $15000 specialized creo, but again unless you are an Olympic athlete, it’s a pos, as far as an ebike for most people. Very little power, and very little range. Buy a real ebike like a Yamaha Civante that weighs 46 lbs, does 28 mph and gets you 70 miles of range. And you don’t have to be an Olympic athelete. Yeah it’s heavier than this Pos, but it has real power, real efficiency, which is part and parcel to the weight, it rides way better than most carbon bikes with highly tuned frame for awesome compliance and you only need to spend $3300. Again, light weight is not only not the future, but has zero added value when you have assist. You don’t need to go as high as 65 or 70 lbs, but the sacrifices and massive compromises that need to be made to get down to 30 lbs are just plain stupid and impractical. For example, this pos is single speed. Totally useless. The Yamaha has 18 speeds which provides ample leverage for both rider and motor since its not a hub drive, but mid drive, and rider achieves proper cadence. Again the compromise to get light weight was to drop gears, which makes the bike and rider both less efficient. It would also suit very few riders who’d tolerate such a pos bike design. This entire bike is a gimmick. And stick to your island projects and core area of expertise so you don’t look so dumb when commenting about topics way outside your skill stack.
@@jackoneil3933 so you're suddenly a psychiatrist, now that you have zero comeback, after you were put in your place bc you spewed bs out of your mouth on a topic you know nothing about. Typical leftist libtard who can only call people names and use fake armchair psycho babble to feign intelligence.
Nice review. For hilly San Francsicso, the motor will struggle a bit but the cool factor will attract the tech folks no matter the cost, but then again everyone drives a Telsa here. LoL. Innovative design though.
I had that exact issue with my 2350 watt carrera pushing me forward unexpectedly. Then I disabled assist and just kept throttle only. Was the best thing i did. I got pushed twice first time into the road endangering myself and second time was almost into a guys van. 😂. Now it’s manual peddle and free throttle whenever needed. Love the ebike life style.👍👍👍
exactly the same reason i modded my carerra vengeance ebike. i changed the motor controller so i could have a thumb throttle and full display also its a bit quicker with the new controller. the lunging really freaked me out and nearly got me squashed a few times lol
Cool stuff. Keep it up! Just getting into all this stuff really. So to ask a question, I bought my boys a 250w eletric bike. Can I change the motor to a 500w what or would I need to change all the eletrics aswell? (Thourght I would ask as I'm always watching ya vids!) Love the content though dude... also how's the FPV Stuff going?
Its not your motor which dictates the power, its your battery & controller. Battery voltage x controller amp output = watts. I.e 24v battery x 10amp = 240watts. If you changed to a 20 amp controller. You would be at 480w. It's a little more complicated as battery voltage is nominal and you would be higher voltage at full charge. Make sure your battery can safely output what you're asking of it, most motors can easily handle twice the recommended wattage without melting.
I'm thankful you raised the bottom bracket torque sensor Andy. I'm building up an ebike for a friend which uses one instead of the traditional 12 magnet cadence sensor (night and day difference). As always Andy, keep up the vids. I'm still thumbs'ing them up when you release em 👍🏿
Bottom bracket torque sensors have all sorts of issues. They don’t last, they go out of tune, and every bike that has one from the same brand will vary widely in response. You will loathe having to replace one even once, especially on carbon fiber ebike. Good luck y’all.
Absolutely not the future. More like the past where scammers have tried this cheaply made carbon fiber crap and duped a ton of people into believing they could be quality ebikes with quality motors and batteries that would last more than a couple seasons. But good luck with that on this one, so many short cuts, so little time to even list them. If you can’t tell, then you are one of the gullible being suckered into another gimmick.
@@nihilisticsoup2919 I would have slowed up a bit more more around the old boys personal space. Surely the advantage of an electric is you can just accelerate again...
its the future of theft reports. if it were me I probably would integrate something like a cycle analyst, google map, mp3 player into the handlebar itself with buttons to control it that are easy to use without removing your hands from the bars. also good lights all around, maybe indicators, horn. bigger motor and battery than that pitiful thing. The overall design is cool though, but I prefer mid drive motor like BBSHD. battery capacity should be 30 amp hour or more, tyres 32mm or more, a seat with suspension could be good, lightweight high quality front forks would also be good. GPS and some sort of alarm is given.
Update! after the app OTA/Firmware update the bike is everything I could have dreamed of! Sorry for not having much faith and patience but the guys at Urtopia really came through! Again I am so grateful for the update! The bike is even faster than 20mph!
Looks GREAT!, I'd probably mute or drastically lower the sounds though tbh. Aside from being just a tad cheesy-yet modern. I LOVE the Quiet Experience of E-Bikes, and the sounds would defeat the purpose. PROPS ON INDICATORS AND CONTROLS TOO!😎👍
I meant Mute the Sound of the Motor*😝 ofcourse, as a Bike Designer. I think there's DEFINITELY a Market for lightweight E-Bikes that have high speed assist but little torque. 😎🙌
So Apparently the E-Bike in the next few years no longer exist, They will be re-categorised as LPM or Moped. Essentially you will need a driving license, insurance, MOT and a number plate. To be honest UK legislation needs to be updated, with insurance brokers and underwriters mandated to offer insurance for new types of vehicles. The speed limit also needs to be addressed, 27.5mph is no longer sufficient, personally I believe 47.5mph should be the new appropriate speed limit given that a license would be required for these types of vehicles.
Nope not 4 me , lovely design ect but would never have another carbon frame Mine failed after 2 years of off road use , got a crome molly muddy fox , great spring in the frame , almost suspension!
Nice looking bike. But the 15mph limit would be a deal breaker for me.......if I could afford it. The speaking display would drive me insane, no need for that whatsoever imo. A gimic at best. If I were buying I'd hope the app has the ability to unlock the speed restriction, for if you were on private land (because that's the only time I would ever use it😏). Not sure on the dot display. I like that they built it in like that, don't like the way the info is displayed. I wouldn't be pissed off if someone gave me one though!
You lost me when you mentioned a finger print reader. Folks tend to really over think these things. My first purpose built Ebike had an alarm system that chirped like a car alarm when I cut on and off the system. after three days of that I broke into the motor controller and found the alarm system and cut the wires with my pocket knife. I like the sleeper design. but keep it simple. I have a few electric bikes of different origins purpose built and DIY builds and am proud to ride the throttle on my more powerful units. light is good, wish Ebike companies would also offer 20 inch EBMX bikes without those damn fat tires.
Low power Carbon fibre ebikes aint anything new, When they can design a carbon framed ebike That can handle the torque of high power mid drive motors Without causing bottom bracket stress fracture fatigue.. post it
Ooooooh man I know what he means with PAS! If I have my lectric xp in PAS 4 and I go around the house, barely touch the pedals forward, it tries to boost my ass into the fence, lol....I've gotten better at pedaling backwards or tapping either brake now, LMAO.
@@andykirby got it sorted andy I have the battery details I gave you them in the video that you changed the handle bars ,I realy need you're help bro as I charged it for 3 hrs ,cell model ,bbso1b 36v 250w 48v / 10ah 480wh .I haven't charged it over 3 hrs ,the red light comes on but green light hasn't come on after 3 n half hours should I charge it longer ,my battery sitting at 80 percent , should I try charging it for the amount of time you recommend, ill give it a go ,I asked on discord but I only been on couple off times ,so I asked someone but cldnt find them to get the answer , im a stuffed, still dnt have a smart phone only ever used a ten pound 15 pound phone ,lol that should give u an idea off how lost I am ,im good at taking m bikes apart and building them had 2 bikes in bck Street heroes and awol bck in 90,s ,cheers will realy help , if I have to buy a charger at least I know I'll be bying it off someonethat knows what there talking about , you ,lol ,this is not a blag I dnt want to have to buy both batt and charger I've only charged it twice so far ,cheers ,
Everyone has different needs and looks for different things in a bike, a Surron would not suit my lifestyle for example but my 1600w BBSHD that actually looks like a typical non ebike hardtail MTB does suit my lifestyle, can't take a Surron on the train, cycle paths, pavement and your not supposed to ride motorbikes on national cycle routes or ex railway tracks either.
There's a company in Europe who have come up with an injection moulded frameset, the plastic material is loaded with steel and carbon fibres. The strength is comparable with carbon fibre, but has all the advantages of injection moulding, speed, reliability and conformity.
This is the future.
Link? Interesting.
@@allanallen1835 ruclips.net/video/DIs6ZOkysSQ/видео.html
I think the potential is pretty amazing.
Dealbreakers for me: no mudguards, no rear or front luggage rack, and no suspension... (although the Z bend holding the seat post looks a little bendy under compression)
Sticking with my magic pie and 2 kWh battery that I built over 6 years ago and still killin it...
I really liked my magic pie!
@@andykirby Magic Pie? Sounds like Space Cake.
no mudguards is the biggest dealbreaker by far
no standard handlebar clamp (although it looks cool), it will make it really hard to add some nice aftermarket lights (Supernova, Lupine, or even some Chinese ones with low beam and high beam)
unable to change the screen angle is annoying too and who knows what you can change with an aftermarket part on something like this lol (probably nothing other than the wheels, tires etc)
atleast having front sus would've been nice, even some generic crap one
A bike with a fingerprint sensor, and that is controls by a telephone. No thanks. I've read 1984.
The belt drive is a good system. I had the gates one with the 1000w Bafang HD and everyone was saying the belt won’t last etc… it split my Sturmey Archer IGH in 2 pieces! Like tore it in half! lol
I have this bike and I've got to say it is disappointing. The battery drains over night just sitting in my garage. After turning if off it makes an annoying clicking noise. Customer support is poor and not helpful. Perhaps this will get better over time but be prepared for growing pains.
Simple yet elegant Andy, bet it cost a bomb, and you must be living in a newly discovered part of the UK as your always riding around building sites haha 😂
Can't do hill starts ? That rules it out for me at my age and fitness !
Maybe Turbo mode is like the physical Turbo button which used to be a feature on many desktop PCs. It used to make me feel better to activate Turbo mode on my computer, but I’m not sure if it ever actually did anything!
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Looks really good and with it being light weight should do well.
It's a beautiful bike. And the fact that it's very light is handy especialy in those moments when you have to lift the bike over a fence or barrier . Are in a situation where there is no lift on a train platform
Beware...the USA version bike does not go 20mph also the battery drains if left on the bike even while the bike is off. Trust me I have the bike
Yes the battery drains, I've told them about this issue. It's because the GPS and electronics doesn't go to sleep, they said they were fixing it with software.
@@andykirby would have been nice of them to let us know these issues in all their updates before or after purchase
Thank you for awesome review. I love the scenery during your test ride. I ordered the second generation Carbon One with upgraded 7 speeds and a 350w motor. I should be receiving the Carbon One this month around the 10th - 15th. Can’t wait. Had to drive 250 miles to a bike shop that had a Carbon One demo to test ride and loved it. I tested so many e-bikes and some were good and others ok. My biggest problem with so many Urban e-bikes there are too heavy and don’t go that far. During my test ride with the Carbon One had no issues with distance, wind, uphills, or comfortability. The seven gears does make a big difference when facing hills and wind. May I add the Urtopia has been amazing throughout the process before buying and afterwards. Yeah, there are times corresponding through emails I may have to wait a few days for a response, but the overall communication has been top notch. I can’t really say if they’re cons about the company or e-bike, non in my experience. Again, I am only referencing to the 2nd gen Carbon One, not the one in this video.
FYI, Urtopia also has an another e-bike, “The Chord.” The Chord has the exact same features as the Carbon One with the exception of the carbon frame and looks. But, all is the same as the Carbon One with intelligent LCD panel, seven gears, and 350w motor. after the discount code, The Chord is only $1,399 (US). Plus, The Chord weighs less than 47lbs. and the Chord longest range is 75 miles (normal condition, body weight, and paddling assist on level one). The Chord will soon to ship in mid of May 2023.
So, I highly recommend Urtopia Carbon One or The Chord. Lastly, Urtopia has not sponsored me in any way. This is 100% experience I had so far with the company and during my test ride with Carbon One.
Like it but isn't that battery holder gonna fill with rain water if you leave it outside whilst charging the battery inside?
good technology but too slow . uk law needs to change and until then I still see plenty on big ebikes with no issues . biggest issue will always be drivers
We need 1kw motor limit here in the UK. I think then the market would open up. A 50cc moped has a 2.2kw limit. I don't think 1kw would harm much.
This 15.5 mph restricted motor here in the UK is a piss take, 20mph IMO is sweet .
@@tc5042 It's that extra bit of speed which bikes lack that makes a danger. And it leads to some of the stupid behaviour we see. We do need a 20mph / 1kw limit.
looks great, look forward to a full review.
Looks cool. Nice display . Bit futuristic and funky. Throttles are the best . Have been caught out and shot off a couple of times using pedal assist .
What distance will it do in Turbo
Mine will do..40 miles plus.. distance..
Whats that motor?? Never seen such a compact 250w motor before that's a bit of a game changer over the heavy 4kg Bafang geared hubs.
Why do you choose hub drive rather than mid drive on youre bikes and in the shop? On a carbon bike like this id of expected it to be mid drive tbh
Thanks Andy, quite a stylish bike.
Hey Andy, is there a battery box mount base with a more beefier connector than the Hailong 5-pin? For me its a bit weird to use a 7p high current battery with only 30A output.
Throttles are just so much safer. I can pull away with so much control. My bike is a rear wheel hub motor, if you try and peddle hard to pull away and lift the front end at all the bike is going to get away from you and as it takes off, you will pull the throttle trying to keep hold of it. Seated and using the throttle is by far the safest way to pull away.
How long before it snaps in half.
Seems like a fun bike. The rearview radar looks interesting. Some of those city tyres can be super puncture-proof if you choose the right make/protection.
Looks really nice. Thanks for reviewing it for us. I would want some gears for when I want some exercise and am going over 15mph.
Hi Andy do you sell any twizy parts accessories I am looking for the type 2 charging lead. It would be great if you could do an updated twizy accessory video thanks
Is there a wheel swap?
Some of the comments here.. sometimes i wonder how the human race made it this far
Hello, I love your videos. I'm torn between getting a eBike or eMoped I don't know what Will be better for getting around locally & beyond. The moped will go faster & be more like a car. The ebike will be able to go on road & off-road plus on the train. I'm looking at a Vanmoof X3 or NIU NQI GT. Please advise
Support your Dutch bike maker if you can over a company which is ultimately subject to the control and does the bidding of the CCP.
Cool design 👍. Nice to have you back reviewing ebike Andy 🙏
Cool bike and something to keep an eye on. Lightweight is likely the future of ebikes and only 30lbs is great. I like the battery and frame design, and that it appears the design might provide a little flex from rear bumps. I've thought a carbon flex design frame could be a good suspension alternative, but I would prefer some front dampening for bumps and height adjust for the handlebars. All the electronic hat-tricks are almost a turn-off for me. I'd prefer a range/Amps/Watts feature over annoying voice call outs. I'd prefer 350W or more options at 48V, with a 250W mode.But unless they were going to up size the tires 250W and 15mph is likely a sane design choice.
Also, even if it's pretty efficient, with only a 350w/ah battery I'd like a larger battery option (a little bulge is fine) that fits the same battery slot and/or an affordable second battery option with a secure carry case on the frame.
Fingerprint sensor is cool but if you are wearing gloves a pain. I don't like keys so perhaps a Bluetooth interlock, voice unlock, or even just a programmable simple tap code to unlock, i.e. three short and one long tap or whatever the rider sets.
Also, attractive integrated fenders would be a plus
Actually light weight is not the future. You know zero about motors, batteries and power distribution. Look at anything electric, such as a Tesla, and if you want safety and power and reliability, you are not getting “light weight.” It’s an oxymoron. And definitely not needed when you have electric assist. Weight is less of a factor than wind resistance and you need considerably more power and torque than the wimpy 35 nm this delivers from a low rpm hub motor, if you want to go up amy grade or overcome basics I d resistance at speeds above 12 mph. Then if you have any headwind, forget about it. It will feel like you have no motor if you have a headwind of 10 mph, and you are trying to go a mere 12 mph. Your battery that Small will be cooked in 30 minutes. So unless you are riding in an ideal situation on a non windy day, perfectly flat roads, and going maybe 10 miles out and 10 or less miles back, this really is a waste of hard earned money. But if you have easy earned money you can throw away on a toy that you might ride a dozen times a year then by all means, this is for you. Knock yourself out and have fun blowing $2200 to $3000 on it.
@@specialist-in-tech On what do you base your allegation that I know zero about motors batteries and power distribution, what specifically did I say that was untrue or that runs counter to what you said?
I was commenting on bike that already exists, saying that weighing only 30lbs and that goes 15mph was reasonable, and offered no other conjecture. If someone wants an eBike that weighs 100lbs and goes 30+mph there are other options. If you want a light and compact e-bike it's an option, and the price is likey not an obstical for those who can afford to spend $50k to $100k on a Tesla.
BTW, I have an electrical engineering degree, worked as and Industrial Wireman, Instrument tech, communication tech, and project engineer for some of the largest oil and gas construction contractors in the world (VECO International and Wright Shugart). I spent decades working with motors, batteries and power distribution from small DC motors to over 5,000 hp synchronous 5KV motors, switchgear, motor control centers and motor speed controls.
The following is an example of one of the projects I was project engineer on for construction and comminsioning of power generation, distribution, and control:
'Endicott Island - Wikipedia
Endicott Island is a 45-acre (18 ha) artificial island located in the U.S. state of Alaska, 2.5 miles (4 km) offshore and 15 miles (24 km) from Prudhoe Bay of the Beaufort Sea. Endicott Island was built in 1987 by Alaska Interstate Construction and is used by BP and Hilcorp Alaska for petroleum production '
@@jackoneil3933 you don’t know squat about the physics, power and required weight of the battery and motors to generate sufficient assist for an ebike. I know because you said light weight was the future. That’s just bogus thinking. . I’m a degreed mechanical engineer who has worked with batteries, motors, fuel cells, solar and more related to this technology. Been in the ebike business for 15 years. I’ve forgotten more about motors and batteries than you’ll ever know in this application. Also I too have worked most of my career with the power generation industry for firms like General Electric. So you are a project engineer ? How does that apply to knowing anything about motors and lithium batteries in these sizes. Again nada zip zilch. Also what do you know about mechanical design ? Again, nada zip zilch. Big motors ? Big effing deal. I worked with 10,000 hpmotors back in the 80’s, but that has zero to do with this application. Your cv is impressive for raw huge projects that have nothing to do with transportation, bikes, or even electric vehicles. The only way you will get a lightweight ebike is with a wimpy motor, and very tiny battery. Carbon fiber complicates things dramatically. You could go buy a $15000 specialized creo, but again unless you are an Olympic athlete, it’s a pos, as far as an ebike for most people. Very little power, and very little range. Buy a real ebike like a Yamaha Civante that weighs 46 lbs, does 28 mph and gets you 70 miles of range. And you don’t have to be an Olympic athelete. Yeah it’s heavier than this Pos, but it has real power, real efficiency, which is part and parcel to the weight, it rides way better than most carbon bikes with highly tuned frame for awesome compliance and you only need to spend $3300. Again, light weight is not only not the future, but has zero added value when you have assist. You don’t need to go as high as 65 or 70 lbs, but the sacrifices and massive compromises that need to be made to get down to 30 lbs are just plain stupid and impractical. For example, this pos is single speed. Totally useless. The Yamaha has 18 speeds which provides ample leverage for both rider and motor since its not a hub drive, but mid drive, and rider achieves proper cadence. Again the compromise to get light weight was to drop gears, which makes the bike and rider both less efficient. It would also suit very few riders who’d tolerate such a pos bike design. This entire bike is a gimmick. And stick to your island projects and core area of expertise so you don’t look so dumb when commenting about topics way outside your skill stack.
@@specialist-in-tech Your extended rant is non-sequitur. I suggest look into 'Narcissistic Personality Disorders' instead.
@@jackoneil3933 so you're suddenly a psychiatrist, now that you have zero comeback, after you were put in your place bc you spewed bs out of your mouth on a topic you know nothing about. Typical leftist libtard who can only call people names and use fake armchair psycho babble to feign intelligence.
nice bike but not the price for me but looking forward to the full review
Can you turn off the sound?
Couldn't see that frame lasting considering the amount of load where the seat stay meets the seat tube.
We will see!
how do you get the belt off
Nice review. For hilly San Francsicso, the motor will struggle a bit but the cool factor will attract the tech folks no matter the cost, but then again everyone drives a Telsa here. LoL. Innovative design though.
I had that exact issue with my 2350 watt carrera pushing me forward unexpectedly. Then I disabled assist and just kept throttle only. Was the best thing i did. I got pushed twice first time into the road endangering myself and second time was almost into a guys van. 😂. Now it’s manual peddle and free throttle whenever needed. Love the ebike life style.👍👍👍
exactly the same reason i modded my carerra vengeance ebike. i changed the motor controller so i could have a thumb throttle and full display also its a bit quicker with the new controller. the lunging really freaked me out and nearly got me squashed a few times lol
@@foreverhungry84 nice choice bet it’s loads better with the thumb and control mod.
@@lbarnett748 its certainly safer
@@foreverhungry84 thats the main thing 👍
You should try the nireeka prme..
Cool stuff. Keep it up! Just getting into all this stuff really. So to ask a question, I bought my boys a 250w eletric bike. Can I change the motor to a 500w what or would I need to change all the eletrics aswell? (Thourght I would ask as I'm always watching ya vids!)
Love the content though dude... also how's the FPV Stuff going?
Join the discord ,real handy for info ,you wld need to change controller although I have heard big bat does help ,I honestly dnt know .
Its not your motor which dictates the power, its your battery & controller. Battery voltage x controller amp output = watts. I.e 24v battery x 10amp = 240watts. If you changed to a 20 amp controller. You would be at 480w. It's a little more complicated as battery voltage is nominal and you would be higher voltage at full charge. Make sure your battery can safely output what you're asking of it, most motors can easily handle twice the recommended wattage without melting.
@@18ct Thank massive help!
I'm thankful you raised the bottom bracket torque sensor Andy. I'm building up an ebike for a friend which uses one instead of the traditional 12 magnet cadence sensor (night and day difference).
As always Andy, keep up the vids. I'm still thumbs'ing them up when you release em 👍🏿
Bottom bracket torque sensors have all sorts of issues. They don’t last, they go out of tune, and every bike that has one from the same brand will vary widely in response. You will loathe having to replace one even once, especially on carbon fiber ebike. Good luck y’all.
I don't get the hype around carbon fibre frames, make it from aluminium add in some gears with front and back suspension with a minimum 500 watt motor
Cheers Andy, great idea and nice bike!
Hi Andy….do you own a bell ?
Absolutely not the future. More like the past where scammers have tried this cheaply made carbon fiber crap and duped a ton of people into believing they could be quality ebikes with quality motors and batteries that would last more than a couple seasons. But good luck with that on this one, so many short cuts, so little time to even list them. If you can’t tell, then you are one of the gullible being suckered into another gimmick.
Ah nice. Thought I recognised that school you rode past 🙌
That’s going to be expensive. There not letting you keep it?
Turbo I think should be standard..as eco..is normally hard work..
Back to what you do best Andy whats the price
That looked like a shared use path to me bud, didn't see where else the pedestrians are supposed to walk....
In which case he is just as entitled to use it as the pedestrians are, providing due caution is taken.
@@nihilisticsoup2919 I would have slowed up a bit more more around the old boys personal space. Surely the advantage of an electric is you can just accelerate again...
@@nihilisticsoup2919 did he say it was a "bike path" because that's different from a shared use.
Nice ebike great content Andy
With the UK pulling out of the EU, maybe you can upgrade from the 250w slug motor to 750w and faster than 15 mph.
Awesome bike.and thank you for sharing your video 👍👍💙💙
Nice bike! Waiting for the range Test with the Summit
😁it's coming this week!
its the future of theft reports. if it were me I probably would integrate something like a cycle analyst, google map, mp3 player into the handlebar itself with buttons to control it that are easy to use without removing your hands from the bars. also good lights all around, maybe indicators, horn. bigger motor and battery than that pitiful thing. The overall design is cool though, but I prefer mid drive motor like BBSHD. battery capacity should be 30 amp hour or more, tyres 32mm or more, a seat with suspension could be good, lightweight high quality front forks would also be good. GPS and some sort of alarm is given.
That looks promising as a bicycle lane commuter.
Update! after the app OTA/Firmware update the bike is everything I could have dreamed of! Sorry for not having much faith and patience but the guys at Urtopia really came through! Again I am so grateful for the update! The bike is even faster than 20mph!
Looks GREAT!, I'd probably mute or drastically lower the sounds though tbh. Aside from being just a tad cheesy-yet modern. I LOVE the Quiet Experience of E-Bikes, and the sounds would defeat the purpose. PROPS ON INDICATORS AND CONTROLS TOO!😎👍
I meant Mute the Sound of the Motor*😝 ofcourse, as a Bike Designer. I think there's DEFINITELY a Market for lightweight E-Bikes that have high speed assist but little torque. 😎🙌
So Apparently the E-Bike in the next few years no longer exist, They will be re-categorised as LPM or Moped. Essentially you will need a driving license, insurance, MOT and a number plate. To be honest UK legislation needs to be updated, with insurance brokers and underwriters mandated to offer insurance for new types of vehicles. The speed limit also needs to be addressed, 27.5mph is no longer sufficient, personally I believe 47.5mph should be the new appropriate speed limit given that a license would be required for these types of vehicles.
Nice does not look like a e bike thx mate.
leave the 250watt and add a BBHD to it and a sleek battery
A massive clunky BBSHD would kinda ruin the whole aesthetic integration, looks cool on my heaby rugged hard tail MTB not so cool hanging off this
A nice looking bike.
That handlebar is way too narrow to have adequate control on anything but wide flat pavement or nothing but straights.
Looks cool that does , cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧
What's the price..£500
Have you ever thought about moving to another country where the ebike laws aren't so strict.
Nope not 4 me , lovely design ect but would never have another carbon frame
Mine failed after 2 years of off road use , got a crome molly muddy fox , great spring in the frame , almost suspension!
Wow such a smooth battery they made, may be I will drop it if you give it to me xD
Mudguards?
i usually like the bikes you get but this one is rank, not a fan at all dude
I think it's very pretty and slick personally.
nice
LOOKS OVER FUNCTION SOON AS YOU BUY BUILT IN BATTERIES AND SCREENS THEY CAN CHARGE YOU MORE AND THE BATTERIES WILL NEED REPLACING
Batteries last a long time these days >500 cycles with a small loss of capacity.
Nice looking bike. But the 15mph limit would be a deal breaker for me.......if I could afford it.
The speaking display would drive me insane, no need for that whatsoever imo. A gimic at best.
If I were buying I'd hope the app has the ability to unlock the speed restriction, for if you were on private land (because that's the only time I would ever use it😏).
Not sure on the dot display. I like that they built it in like that, don't like the way the info is displayed.
I wouldn't be pissed off if someone gave me one though!
Was it Just me or did the Turbo Mode Graphic look Cock Shaped? 🤔
Did You Say it was Hydraulic Braking, Wheres the Fluid Resevoir ?.
That bike is extremely annoying
Walkers round the corner. Speeds up 😆
You lost me when you mentioned a finger print reader. Folks tend to really over think these things. My first purpose built Ebike had an alarm system that chirped like a car alarm when I cut on and off the system. after three days of that I broke into the motor controller and found the alarm system and cut the wires with my pocket knife. I like the sleeper design. but keep it simple. I have a few electric bikes of different origins purpose built and DIY builds and am proud to ride the throttle on my more powerful units. light is good, wish Ebike companies would also offer 20 inch EBMX bikes without those damn fat tires.
Wait until people drag you off it to sell.
Low power Carbon fibre ebikes aint anything new,
When they can design a carbon framed ebike
That can handle the torque of high power mid drive motors
Without causing bottom bracket stress fracture fatigue.. post it
Maybe you should design one, send it to me and I'll review it!
I thought the Vapour Andy made was carbon fibre frame ?
Ooooooh man I know what he means with PAS! If I have my lectric xp in PAS 4 and I go around the house, barely touch the pedals forward, it tries to boost my ass into the fence, lol....I've gotten better at pedaling backwards or tapping either brake now, LMAO.
I don’t know the price yet but it’s too expensive.😂👍🇬🇧
Look at how ridiculously fast the rider is pedaling versus bike speed. It’s a non starter.
What happened to your house Andy 🏠 your shed,recording room.
if I ride this bike, I can tell you withing 5 mins I'll say: BIKE! SHUT THE FUCK UP
Needs a silent mode for sure 😅
You forgot to ride on a decent hill, although if you count that bridge as a hill start then definitely not impressed
No volume
Turn your volume up!🤣 I just checked it on another machine, is anyone else having trouble?
@@andykirby Volume is Fine
Audio fine
@@andykirby got it sorted andy I have the battery details I gave you them in the video that you changed the handle bars ,I realy need you're help bro as I charged it for 3 hrs ,cell model ,bbso1b 36v 250w 48v / 10ah 480wh .I haven't charged it over 3 hrs ,the red light comes on but green light hasn't come on after 3 n half hours should I charge it longer ,my battery sitting at 80 percent , should I try charging it for the amount of time you recommend, ill give it a go ,I asked on discord but I only been on couple off times ,so I asked someone but cldnt find them to get the answer , im a stuffed, still dnt have a smart phone only ever used a ten pound 15 pound phone ,lol that should give u an idea off how lost I am ,im good at taking m bikes apart and building them had 2 bikes in bck Street heroes and awol bck in 90,s ,cheers will realy help , if I have to buy a charger at least I know I'll be bying it off someonethat knows what there talking about , you ,lol ,this is not a blag I dnt want to have to buy both batt and charger I've only charged it twice so far ,cheers ,
@@andykirby srry bout the letter bro ,,.lol
Great looking bike, but the display and the sounds are gimmicky.
Fuck it I'll stick with my rod break roadster
not very good up hills then lol - nah prefer my surron storm bee dirt bike :-)
Everyone has different needs and looks for different things in a bike, a Surron would not suit my lifestyle for example but my 1600w BBSHD that actually looks like a typical non ebike hardtail MTB does suit my lifestyle, can't take a Surron on the train, cycle paths, pavement and your not supposed to ride motorbikes on national cycle routes or ex railway tracks either.
no the future of bikes is to get fit and ride it using your legs.
So why are you on a high power Ebike modding channel then?
250w just isn't powerful enough
No
Like the design but not really impressed with the bike
thief magnet
nah, that aint the future of ebikes. too boring, no suspension etc.
over priced , gagetty piece of CRAP ( Yes I DID ride one and check it out)