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Simon Jordan Brands The SPL A PUB LEAGUE & Slams The Quality Of Clubs EXCEPT For Rangers & Celtic 🔥
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2024
- TalkSPORT's Simon Jordan explains why he thinks the Scottish Premiership is a pub league and questions the quality of clubs minus Rangers and Celtic.
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It’s a small country with only 5 million population yet still produced 2 massive worldwide clubs with great stature, history and tradition, Every British and European recorded attendances are all held by the Old Firm, They were also the first in British football to reach European finals and won the European cup, How many countries similar size and population of Scotland has produced 2 huge powerful clubs like them, say what you want but if you put these 2 giants in England with their sheer size, stature and fanbase they’d both be ginormous and compete no problem after a few seasons.
But win nothing
Some saudi billionaire would snap them up instantly if they got into the EPL@@markrobinson1369
Win nothing?? Both clubs have over 100 major honours and a fanbase that absolutely dwarfs most clubs anywhere in Europe.
Pub league that Joey Barton and Neil Warnock couldn’t hack
What ? Right at the end of their careers 😂😂😂 🤡
@@Deus-Vult472 still came up with pure arrogance
@@spms3018 I would as well, Barton in his 40’s is better than ANY shite currently playing in the league
Your best ever player for the league is Scott brown or James Forrest who are BUM players
I remember barton playing for man city in fa cup game at spurs spurs were 3 up at ht gobby barton got sent off walking off at ht city banged 4 in the 2nd half without barton just shows u how good barton is celtic 5 rangers 1 barton never got a kick and he scooted back over the border he s shite
@@Deus-Vult472You're regarded.
Neil Warnock did well Simon, you were waxing lyrical about him 2 months ago.
Warnock bottled it
Simon is right, as a Glaswegian it drives me crazy that the small minds within the league acts as an anchor. If they were to stop the small minded squabbling the league & product would be better. Extend league to 18 like a grown up league, stop buying so many foreign players. Look at some of the Scots that have gone to Italy (Lewis Ferguson apparently now being sought by Napoli & Juve), starring in EPL, good Scottish players are there so no need for so many under performing imports. Rangers have been punching above their weight in Europe but Celtic and others need to improve there.
I agree it would be more enjoyable only playing a team twice a season
I thing the Scottish pool is to small I’m English but would love to see a “Celtic” league wales, r/n Ireland and Scotland I think Swansea and Cardiff could give a big challenge to the two in Glasgow
Spot on mate.
I think 18 would be too soon right now. It would take maybe 10-15 years before we could get back to that but a 16 is a must and do it like in Belgium.
We need to generate real Internet in the league title, so like the Belgians, play home and away each, for 30 games, then halve the points, and top 4 play each other home and away again for title. That way we may actually have a different champion.
Also, Slavia Prague and Sparta Prague have average attendances the same as Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen.
The 2 Prague teams, got to Round of 16 in Europa league again this season, yet Hearts and hibs never made the groups of Conference and Aberdeen never got out the group.
How can the 2 Prague teams be doing so well for their size while Scotlands 3 same sized clubs do so poorly every year. It is the clubs faults.
@@jacksonbow2766 the other Czech team went through aswell
@@davidroberts633 Yes and they average a smaller attendances than St.Mirren and have a stadium of 11, 722. Smaller than Kilmarnock and Motherwell.
Dinamo Zagreb have a stadium capacity of 25k. Their average attendance is UNDER 8k in their league games. Croatia has a population of 4Million.
Scotland has a population of 5
4Million. We have 1.4illion MORE than Croatia.
Dinamo Zagreb is mostly Croatian players. The whole league is only 32% foreign players because they care more about homegrown players.
The Croatian football league TV deal is LESS than the SPFL TV deal. What Zagreb do well, is develop players and sell them for huge profits. They are regarded as one of the best in the world for it.
Hibs sold Nisbet for £1.5M right? Hearts sold Hicky for similar, Aberdeen sold Fergison for similar.
In Coratia, those players go for at least Double that.
Pub league patter again? Yawn, how original. For a nation of our size we do damn well for ourselves. Our clubs aren't going to compete at the top, top level with Barca, PSG, City, Bayern etc but I'd say it's pretty respectable that we have teams making it to the latter stages of European competitions all the same.
Well said 👏
Yes very good for a pub league
@@Neckoya😂
No we don't mate. Our 2 biggest clubs do all the lifting.
We have Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen who have 3x the budget of the rest and yet perform in he same level as the rest every season.
Aberdeen and Hearts demanding 50/50 for cup games at Hampden yet they do not get more than 19k average attendance every season.
Aberdeen have been down to around 15-17k per season, yet a few years back they took 42k fans, all in Aberdeen gear to Celtic Park for a league cup final under McInnes. Where the fck are those fans every year.
We have 2 clubs who do all the work in Europe, so our leagues ranking and coefficients is a lie.
Stop deluding yourself
Fine line between patriotism and stupidity
Your on the line
Isn't it ranked 9th in Europe? That's respectable.
10th actually, just. And that is not a true count of the league, it is 2 clubs doing all the work.
Tonight there was 3 Czech clubs in the Round of 16 in 2 Euro comps. All 3 of those clubs are either the same size or smaller than Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs, yet they do better in Europe.
The Scottish leagues have been destroyed by our own.
Not when you look at the rankings
I remember Italians used to look down at English leagues in their heyday, don't get too cocky now that the PL has turned into a monopoly and lost 90% of what English football was about once.
That time has long passed. The English league will always be round and about the top; the Scottish league will never be anywhere close.
Blah blah blah
Translation - I'm bitter that the Premier League is one of the biggest Leagues in the world and their teams are constantly challengers in the biggest competitions.
Nothing English about the EPL
The league itself is poor but celtic was going toe to toe with lazio in championship league and rangers drew against benfica away. When the league cant buy players obviously it’s going to be a pub league. Ie half of belgium, ligue 1, la liga, serie A and eredivisie are pub teams who only buy free transfers or below 500k players
Lies again? Pay Bills Play Books
I have zero interesr in what Simon Jones or English media thinks about Scottish football. We know what our league is, we love it. And our league isnt here to be compared to the tourism football of England. We love our game and the madness of our league.
Who loves it. Ahhh the sets of fans of 2 clubs. No one outside you lot "loves" our league. Every other team every season is financially handicapped to within an inch of their lives compared to the Glasgow 2. No one outside the old firm likes it at all, the media tend to give 95% coverage to you 2 as well. Give your head a shake.
Fair enough. Well said. Support your team. Support the league. Does not change the argument regarding how poor it is. Scottish clubs do nothing. England has had 9 clubs in European Cup finals. Regularly last 8 in Europa League. Rangers and Celtic who suck up all the money, support and talent do nothing much on a regular basis. The odd final and blasted out in group stages. No shame. Simon's point is the poor standard. Scottish clubs would struggle in Asia.
@@camix7290 haha i dont support either of the old firm actually!! That's my whole point. I actually hate the old firm, I support Aberdeen like tens of thousands do across Scotland. And i have zero respect for English media or pundits who have no clue about our game or what makes it so special. Our game is our game.. comparing to England is ridiculous. The SPFL are to blame for the financial insecurity. underselling our game to Sky. Time to break away from them and find ventures.
@@frankford1115 And you're proving my point perfectly. What has any of that got to with Scotland? We are two different nations.. Scotland also has only 5 million people and has to unfairly compete with England for TV coverage due to Sky and its awful product. Plus, Rangers have got to a European final two years ago. the second in 10 years. How many Belgian, Dutch, Swiss, Austrian, Turkish team can say that? And im an Aberdeen fan who hates Rangers. England is to blame for much of Scotland's woes and the fact the Premiership is so over bloated, so overpriced and not worth the money. Scotland does well for the financial handicap placed on it by Sky and the SPFL underselling the game. And again, i love our football... its fantastic to watch and full of drama.. and Simon Jordan has not got a clue.
I grew up a Celtic fan and love Scottish football, but watching them in Europe has become really embarrassing. I think the mindset changed when we were happy just to be there rather than expecting to be there like we did in the 00's. The fall of Rangers in 2011 had so so so much to do with the fall of the domestic game and the lasting effects of that are still being felt
Don't you recall us beating the best team of our generation Messi and all
@@piping9153yeh tou did mate by having about 10% possession and 1 shot to there about 100 thats called a flook.
@@piping9153 Oh dear. This mentality is kind of what I mean. That was just over 11 years ago! Can't ride off the coatailes of a team that got one result that long ago- need something a 12 year old can remember rather than their dad's telling them of the 'good old days.'
Don’t think Rodgers gd in Europe even with Liverpool he was poor
@@craigsmithbodybuildingOne shot but scored two goals🤣. No team was going to out play that barca team and celtic played the only way they could to win. Dont foget walter smith parked the bus every game on his way to a final.
After being in 3rd tier of Scottish football just ten years ago to get to a European final not a Mickey Mouse one like West Ham is decent for a pub league.
Almost 40 years since a team other than Rangers/Celtic won the league - to uneven to be called sport. Have to agree fully with Simon.
And it was the great Sir Alex Ferguson who won it. Love to see Pep do something like that.
Weak League! hardy worth watching when only 2 teams win everything.
Scottish football,micky mouse league.Until Rangers and Celtic get themselves promoted to EFL League 1 they'll never do any good😂😂
In a 10/12 team league buy in the best league in the world how many teams have won in the last 40 years?
@@andyjohnson6230 It's unquestionably a pish league, but Rangers are a bigger club than every English side with the exceptions of United and Liverpool; we're also better than most English Premier League sides and if we had £200m going in to our account every year, we'd be British champions in no time 🇬🇧
If Celtic and Rangers wasn't playing in Scottish football then Scottish football would be at best a semi pro league
No chance. Bet u dont even watch scottish football
If the Premier League want to further cement their place at the top of the global audience charts we should create a British Premier League. Scotland have fallen so far behind the rest of the mainland, look at Wales and how the Prem and Championship revenues and beyond that have helped Welsh football out enormously. What id propose is Scotland keep the Scottish F.A Cup but take part in the Premier League/football league, that way even if Rangers and Celtic find themselves in different leagues they will still have an opportunity for an Old Firm derby to keep them well entertained. Id like to hear what Scottish people think would they be interested in making a British Premier League?.
I'm a Rangers fan and I think that's a brilliant idea. It gives Rangers and Celtic the platform to compete on a bigger scale and earn more money but it also keeps some identity in for Scotland.
It's in Celtic and Rangers interests to continue to be big fish in a small pond, an integrated League will mean Rangers And Celtic hardly ever qualifying for Europe.
It doesn't matter what Scottish people think. Us English don't want it and it's never going to happen.
@@plolthat's nonsense, I'm sure rangers and Celtic would be more than happy with the revenue that comes with English football every season rather than hoping for a decent run in the Europa League to top up their finances.
What about politics of Scottish independence?
Obviously Simon is right
Yeh that's y celtic HAVE A LOT MORE NONEY THAN SIMON EVER FKN HAD PMSL
I'd love to see Rangers and Celtic in the prem for a season just to watch them both get relegated
For a country with half the population the problem is the amount of "senior" side. Their should only be two leagues.
no everyone has skyports money like the English teams
Rangers and Celtic have been contesting the league title since 1987. The other teams cannot compete over the course of a season.
Simon is spot on! As a Englishman, I would welcome both Rangers & Celtic to English football but they should start in the Championship first and win their place in the EPL.
Why should they leapfrog Derby County ?
Im Scottish and our premier league has been pretty awful since the 90's, being a two club chase every season.😴💤
In FM24 I knocked out Hibs with Slavia Sofia in the UECL 3rd qualifying round on aggregate 5-4 in my 2nd season. Not sure how much this tells. (guys i'm joking dont crucify me, but it did actually happen 😊)
If you put Rangers or Celtic in the English Premier league, they would be mid table teams at best. The quality of Scottish football as a whole is really poor. Gotta agree with Simon on this.
You are correct but once they managed to level up money wise why couldn't they end up among the top teams,the old firm support is huge
No chance. They’d win the premier league within 10 years.
I think the quality of their squads is championship level
@@stevethedweeb3846they'd both most likely be relegated within ten years
@@nicolarse-stubborn Because no player would want to play for them. They only reason some players go there now is because they are guaranteed a trophy.
I would watch (maybe) celtic v rangers and watch either club in the UCL and Uefa but I'd never switch on a SPL game in itself. The Scottish league needs some kind of shake-up and I'd like to see them get one.
There are lots of games in the EPL many people wont watch too though
He’s right Scottish football is absolutely dire
Easy to say but hard to justify. Robbie Savage gave us the same Agricultural Grade Manure when he said that anyone can score in that League! The Scottish League gave us the first British and non Latin team to win the European Cup, Glasgow Celtic. Nobody remembers the second, do they? Remember also The Exhibition Cup of 1938 and the Coronation cup of 1953, both won by Glasgow Celtic. First team to win nine League Titles in a row, the list goes on, it's endless! Just so easy to say but t so hard to justify!
Kille and hearts have beaten celtic and hearts played them out the park
Played who off the park?
@@oldpainless316Celtic
@@oldpainless316 celtic 0 2 hearts at tynecastle and also beat them 2 nil in Glasgow and killie derervingly beat them 2 1 in ayr
@@Daniyal731 killie didn't beat anyone in Ayr
@darthpepe2994 yeah that’s correct think the point is that the old firm are beatable
Simon Jordan is an honest man.
My family up in Glasgow are a mix of Celtic and Rangers fans and honestly sometimes I feel bad for them. They’re too good for the domestic league but get slapped up in European competitions (unless a slight blip - which is usually Rangers for some reason doing better).
Such iconic clubs, big clubs…yet very limited. It’s a shame because the fans are brilliant.
But if they joined us down in the English league (which they shouldn’t have to because they’re Scottish), they’d just ruin Scottish football further money wise.
Although Hearts, Hibs etc would probably have a competitive league. But it’d be similar to Ireland with Bo’s, Shamrock, Shelbourne etc.
nobody would really watch to bring in revenue
Pub League? Come on, my pub team would wipe the floor with em 😂
Please revert the YT ad breaks back to silence.
I think that's rather harsh on pub league's tbh
The only way Scottish pub football would be more interesting is if rich (relative to the Scottish league) took over and invested in Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs.
Making the title a 5 horse race every year and increasing the quality of the Edinburgh derby's and enhancing the Ranger vs Aberdeen rivalry would certainly make it more interesting
Could say the EPL is too except for a couple of teams.
No lies told, Tavenier is like prime Danny Alves in SPL, goals and assists for fun lol he'd be a championship player in England at best.
mate.....if you ever played football....championship even first would see your life change (money wise)
so what?u talk like its an even playing field with england,england has ten times the population,yet our managers have more premier leagues than yours and argueably an all time scottish 11 would beat an english one,thats embarrassing for yous and so is your trophy haul for a country your size,tiny nations have regularly made a joke of your game,belgium holland iceland portugal and croatia come to mind
@@james6901 what's that got to do with anything 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@user-pw6gm1tu6q an all time Scottish 11 would beat an all time English 11?! Please log off the Internet lol 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@Gavi-144 i said arguably and it would be far closer than it shud be,just remember alot of english success in the 70s and 80s was with a scottish spine through the teams,liverpool is a fine example hansen,souness and dalglish,Man utds legendry trio of busby,Best and Law 2 of them were scottish
The disrespect towards Scottish teams is sad. Bbc posted the chances if each team winning the cup. They gave brighton a 4.4% chance of winning it even though they are 4 nill down. Benfica had 7.3% chance but they only give Rangers a 0.8% chance. Fs they went to benfica and drew against them.
The reason scottish football is so terrible outside the old firm is purely because literally no other club can compete financially with them. People say it as if its the other clubs fault. If you love in Scotland you know in all cities and rural areas people only support 1 or 2 teams. They have such a monopoly that the media mostly concentrates on glasgow and that's all the rest of scotland see. It's far easier to support a team that has success than to support your local team who may be struggling.
Scottish football needs rangers and celtic to go before it can heal. It would start from scratch, the level may be lower for the first while but longer term for scottish football to thrive they need the Glasgow two to go.
"Oh but scottish football would die!?!?"
No you'd have other clubs gates increase massively due to the league being highly competitive with most teams close to a level playing field. When rangers were liquidated the gates for every club bar celtic increased massively. The same would happen again.
Jordan is absolutely spot on! Both Rangers and Celtic would be lower to mid table championship teams. The SPL is a Micky Mouse league.
I honestly believe if we brought rangers, Celtic, Linfield and shamrock rovers were brought into the English Football League, there would be some amazingly exciting football fixtures. Then, merge Irish, northern Irish, Scottish and Welsh leagues into a ‘Celtic’ league to make it move marketable.
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Pseudo Pub league is putting it mildly.
That’s harsh. Rangers were competitive against a very good Benfica side. The issue with the quality of the league is money. Simple.
Jim cracked me right up on this one 😂
He's right.
Ross county?
Livingston?
St mirren?
No offense.
But it's dung
It’s just like psg….psg are a big club good team but are in a pub league
Ligue 1 is still levels above spl mate
Psg are far from a big club
No one can ever give examples of leagues that the Scottish Premiership should be better than but isn't. Even with England (which isn't comparable) whenever players come up from the likes of League 1 they usually flop.
There have been countless lower league English players who have come up and been regular top flight players in the Scottish premiership.
@@mdluk199 Which lower leagues? I always hear about how the league is League 2 level but the vast majority of League 2 players and a good amount of League 1 players aren't good enough.
@@Support-your-local-team J
At Rangers you have Tavernier, Connor Goldson, Ben Davies and 2 or 3 others. Almost every SPL side has 2 or 3 English lower League players
Jim *constantly* fiddling with his nose and clacking his dry mouth. Talksnort
The europa league has been dominated by English and spanish teams in recent the last team from outside Europe's top 5/6 leagues to win was shakhtar donetsk in 2009 so it would be massive
It is a Pub League, if it's not Celtic,Rangers,it's Rangers,Celtic.Wouldn't be one if Hearts ,Hibs,Aberdeen or the 2 Dundee clubs won it now and then .If you could defend it,you wouldn't need to comment on other European Leagues !
Ok The EPL is the best league in the world,I get it,But give me the absolute madness of our league compared to the tourist league any day,
We’ve got the Championship for that, which is still miles better in quality overall.
Ok, you've got it. Nothing mad about it. Either Celtic or Rangers win it every season, end of.
Anything to do with your mate Neil Warnock being absolutely mince at Aberdeen? Didn’t win a single league game. Praising him two months ago.
There are only 5 million people in Scotland, its a tiny market, who cares about the Danish league or the Swiss league, its no different.
Much of the problem is the majority of the 5 million support either Rangers or Celtic, due to gory hunting or worse its to do with religion. Unless that changes and people support their local teams it will always be a backwater, and a procession for the Old Firm.
Uruguay is a country with under 3.5 million people but have won 2 World Cups & 15 Copa Americas (joint record). It just goes to show that although having funding & a larger talent pool to select from can no doubt enhance opportunity for growth & development of the game in regions, the fundamental basics of fostering a cultural identify at grassroots level can not be underestimated. I can't imagine the population of Scotland being drastically greater throughout the 1970's/80's when ye had the likes of Dalglish, Souness, Hansen, Nicol, Nicholas, Gemmill & Bremner at yer disposal. Their are societal factors at play as well though, more cars on the road & access to modern day tech devices means that there is less kids out playing on the streets as their would have been in previous decades etc., compare that with impoverished regions in the Southern Americas like the example that I gave of Uruguay where many families may not own a car or have some of the modern day luxuries that 21st Century developed nations in Europe have where free time as a youngster is spent honing their skills on the streets & you can see why some of these places can punch above their weight in the game despite these disadvantages. I'm Irish myself & our national side is in a real bad state atm so I know where you're coming from. Can't see any signs of us returning to our glory days of the 90's especially & competing at the top level in major tournaments anytime soon I'm afraid when we had players playing at the top clubs in England throughout our entire squad. We've had some great players down through the years such as John Giles, Liam Brady, Paul Mcgrath, Mark Lawrenson, Dennis Irwin, John O'Shea, Roy Keane, John Aldridge, Ray Houghton, Steve Staunton, Ronnie Whelan etc.
The trouble with England, is that it's full of Simons.
I’d still rather watch our pub league than the tourist league down there,100% plastic.
I tend to ignore wankers that love to talk down the SPL for cheap brownie points. The lower echelons of English Football is not great either, which could be comparable to Scottish Football. However, Simon makes some very good points. For me the problems lies with those running the league, the clubs also don't help themselves with this 11-1 voting system & some of them are extremely selfish. The pyramid system is also a joke. Sectarian behaviours is also something that needs to be dealt with. Loyalty is also a problem in terms of promising players looking for a bigger pay check, but you cannot really blame them. The selling of Scottish Football is the biggest problem and that lies with the governing body, compare similar sized countries, that have way bigger broadcasting rights. However, facilities are improving, and lots of work is going into grassroots football.
I think it's mighty unfair. You have to take into account various things when evaluating the league. The biggest factor is that the population of Scotland is just slightly above the population of Birmingham metropolitan. That is a huge factor when determining talent pools and potential growth from outside investment.
Unless other teams manage to gain a wide foreign fanbase, it'll always primarily be the Glasgow big boys that dominate, because unless more money is going into the game, it can't grow.
@darthpepe2994 I absolutely agree. It's more absolute quantity rather than relative quantity.
They go to those three places because of money. Which is the root - other teams in Scotland can't grow to those levels without outside investment and interest.
Uruguay is a country with under 3.5 million people but have won 2 World Cups & 15 Copa Americas (joint record). It just goes to show that although having funding & a larger talent pool to select from can no doubt enhance opportunity for growth & development of the game in regions, the fundamental basics of fostering a cultural identify at grassroots level can not be underestimated. I can't imagine the population of Scotland being drastically greater throughout the 1970's/80's when ye had the likes of Dalglish, Souness, Hansen, Nicol, Nicholas, Gemmill & Bremner at yer disposal. Their are societal factors at play as well though, more cars on the road & access to modern day tech devices means that there is less kids out playing on the streets as their would have been in previous decades etc., compare that with impoverished regions in the Southern Americas like the example that I gave of Uruguay where many families may not own a car or have some of the modern day luxuries that 21st Century developed nations in Europe have where free time as a youngster is spent honing their skills on the streets & you can see why some of these places can punch above their weight in the game despite these disadvantages. I'm Irish myself & our national side is in a real bad state atm so I know where you're coming from. Can't see any signs of us returning to our glory days of the 90's especially & competing at the top level in major tournaments anytime soon I'm afraid when we had players playing at the top clubs in England throughout our entire squad. We've had some great players down through the years such as John Giles, Liam Brady, Paul Mcgrath, Mark Lawrenson, Dennis Irwin, John O'Shea, Roy Keane, John Aldridge, Ray Houghton, Steve Staunton, Ronnie Whelan etc.
@@oisin5684 absolutely. There are various cultural factors at play as well, such as the ones you mention. South America is an interesting one as football culture there is unlike anything in Europe.
As for the Scots legends you mentioned - I can understand, but equally - Scotland has never done well at international tournaments, even those days. They did manage to qualify but I believe that is because the level of competition in Europe is much greater now. Scotland still produce some big talents and we're seeing more of them again. The disparity in money is also much greater now than it used to be when comparing the leagues.
Hate to agree with Simon on this but he is right, until the financial structure and management of the scottish leagues are changed, then it will always be viewed this way and Rangers and Celtic will be the only teams who achieve anything. The league structure of the SPL will never change as teams see the opportunity to play Rangers and Celtic 4/5 times in a season more financially viable. Broadcasters only stick games on TV if one of those teams are involved meaning more money goes to them and not spread across the rest of the league. Lets not forget that the english system wasn't exactly setting the world alight prior to the crazy financial investment in creating the Premier League
I didn’t listen to him I have just read the headlines he is correct in a way the rest of the clubs are bad this season, but Celtic and rangers have dropped points so they aren’t at full tilt either. I think I the likes of Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts need decent managers in and that will make a huge difference. As for the old firm they will be very very competitive next season.
May I add at least the PUB league gets a mention in a English radio station.
It's hard for Jim to take but its a miracle if a Scottish team even gets through the qualifiers. Most of them, and sometimes including Rangers and Celtic, get battered by teams we've never heard of before. They're out of europe before the season even begins!
Rangers and Celtic should probably aim for the Europa Conference league if they want to win a european trophy ever again, but since they're always 1 and 2 they'll never get the chance. They'll just get battered by some team from Latvia in the europa league and then it's back to beating Motherwell 4-0 on the weekend.
Unfortunately Scottish football isn't flooded with foreign money 😢
The problem with our game is the standard of refereeing. In Scotland, what is deemed a foul, or a card is a mystery. The tackles that go in from the lower sides are absolutely horrendous and half the time there's not even a free kick. In the premier league, they'd be straight reds. If the refereeing was better and didn't allow that kind of game, the other teams would be forced into having to actually play football. Which may let a start!
In the SPL you have only 2 teams competing for the title! the rest have no chance. It's a weak league with not much opposition, so it's hardly surprising when they both play in Europe they fail miserably.
As a Rangers fan just watched the second leg which we were unfortunate in although we played well. I have to agree with Simon that there's only Rangers and Celtic as it has always been in the Scottish League. the governing bodies in the SPFL are terrible. We need some investment for the league otherwise it'll be the same thing all the time.
Personally it would be great for both clubs to compete and test themselves in the premier league, see what they’re really made off!
I actually prefer Scottish football because isn’t masses amounts of money involved.
We’re a small populated country, we aren’t going to have one of the biggest and best leagues in today’s game. The only people you ever going about calling other leagues pub leagues and that are English tbf
Uruguay is a country with under 3.5 million people but have won 2 World Cups & 15 Copa Americas (joint record). It just goes to show that although having funding & a larger talent pool to select from can no doubt enhance opportunity for growth & development of the game in regions, the fundamental basics of fostering a cultural identify at grassroots level can not be underestimated. I can't imagine the population of Scotland being drastically greater throughout the 1970's/80's when ye had the likes of Dalglish, Souness, Hansen, Nicol, Nicholas, Gemmill & Bremner at yer disposal. Their are societal factors at play as well though, more cars on the road & access to modern day tech devices means that there is less kids out playing on the streets as their would have been in previous decades etc., compare that with impoverished regions in the Southern Americas like the example that I gave of Uruguay where many families may not own a car or have some of the modern day luxuries that 21st Century developed nations in Europe have where free time as a youngster is spent honing their skills on the streets & you can see why some of these places can punch above their weight in the game despite these disadvantages. I'm Irish myself & our national side is in a real bad state atm so I know where you're coming from. Can't see any signs of us returning to our glory days of the 90's especially & competing at the top level in major tournaments anytime soon I'm afraid when we had players playing at the top clubs in England throughout our entire squad. We've had some great players down through the years such as John Giles, Liam Brady, Paul Mcgrath, Mark Lawrenson, Dennis Irwin, John O'Shea, Roy Keane, John Aldridge, Ray Houghton, Steve Staunton, Ronnie Whelan etc.
@@oisin5684 What are your opinions on the Uruguyan league then?
He's not wrong.
Scotland should be looking to dutch, danish and Belgium teams for a more lucrative product. England don't want us but need to explore all possibilities to generate more money for our clubs
Mate, we need our league to have an exciting title race and sadly the same 2 clubs every year for 40 years is not interesting outside of those clubs and Scotland.
That is why we should try the Belgian method for a league. 16 teams, play 30 games, 1 home and 1 away. Then halve points and top 4 playe for title. Next 6 play for a conference spot. Bottom 6 fight out relegation.
Also, Hearts, Aberdeen and hibs have the same a
Size average attendances as Slavia Prague and Sparta Prague.
They have BIGGER average attendances than Viktoria Plezn and Dinamo Zagreb.
Yet our clubs flopped in Europe while all those 4 I mentioned above were in Round of 16 tonight.
Clubs in Scotland are poorly run and too self-serving to see any real improvement.
Rangers been in two UEFA cup finals since 2008, either side of basically going out of business. Aside from the top 4/5 in England, how many EPL clubs have even been to a European semi final?
Literally West Ham that’s it 😂😂, even as a Celtic fan rangers put the English teams (outside top 6) to shame in the UEL
@@hypez1819 If Rangers played in the PL, they wouldn’t get anywhere near Europe full stop 😂
Fulham And Middlesbrough around the same time frame lol.
Middlesbrough, Fulham and Ipswich have all reached Europa league finals I think.
You could argue it's harder for premier league teams to qualify for the competitions whereas Celtic and Rangers are pretty much guaranteed European football because of the lack of competition in their home league, like the comment above says if they were in the premier league I whole heartedly don't think they'd get a sniff at europe
Yer pal warnock was an embarrassment, not the club
Tell me that next time any of you want to sign a VVD, Andy Robertson or KT. They all improved in SPFL.
All you have to do is look at the players and where they've come from. The sides at the bottom of the SPL sign players that aren't even the best from League Two clubs. The managers are generally L1/L2 level too. That tells you everything
For example? Harry McKirdy got 23 goals/10 assists in League 2, then went to Hibs and got 0 goals/0 assists.
Agree with Simon, if either of the 2 unmentionable were to win a European trophy, it benefits no one in Scotland other than themselves. Football in Scotland needs major surgery, not a sticking plaster
Rangers and Celtic in English football, I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, both of these clubs are so big they would be bought in a heartbeat. Do you honestly think Manchester City/ Newcastle would be bought before these two clubs?😂 Within five years the would be in the top six, and within ten they would be seriously pushing for the top. Rangers should have asked to start at the bottom of the English leagues when they got put into the fourth-tier of Scottish football. Rangers are now back, but Scottish football suffered because of it. If they were not a threat to the Epl they would be there already.
I’m english but it’s clear to see the spfl need to go to the streaming model like ifollow sky pull there pants down every-time it comes to renewal the barley show any good games ie Edinburgh derby they need to take it into there own hands
Scotland used to produce lots of top quality players. But that happens rarely now. Scotland is an example of what happens if you don't spread the wealth, and don't develop home-grown players.
I’ve got a lot time for the Scottish league but the standard they claim to be is a bit optimistic some times. I’d say a Leeds or Leicester would fancy their chances against Celtic or rangers. Profiles a bit off, like Butland now..England call up because he’s playing well for rangers he couldn’t get near the palace first team and even if he had he probably wouldn’t be getting called up. I’m sorry but no one who’s doing well in Scotland should be near the England team.
Yawn. Try coming up with something original Simon. In Scotland football is a sport, in England it's a business. The one's losing out are the fans.
Well at least you agree
The fact it's not been the spl since 2011 shows the absolute lack of knowledge and awful takes on our league..... Don't talk about us then just let us enjoy our fitba
Says a guy who's involvement in football just about killed a football club.
Paul gascoigne greatest most talented English player ever according to the great John motson . played for rangers and in our pub league mr. Jordan 🇬🇧💙
Rangers just drew 2-2 away at Benfica and would’ve won if not for an own goal. What pub league team is getting a result in Portugal lol.
You are basically agreeing with him. Rangers and Celtics performance is Europe has no impact on the quality of the league, which is appalling. As evidenced by the fact no Scottish team ever makes the group stage of the Europa league outside the Old Firm. And I say that as a Rangers fan now who is off to the pub to watch the Benfica game, but can barely stay awake when whatever awful away game is put on the tele Sunday lunch time,
@@graemewallace8868 yes the league itself is poor but that shouldn’t be used to discredit Rangers or that other team, which is exactly what happens. Do people constantly mention the standard of the league when talking about Ajax, Benfica or PSG? Nowhere near as much imo.
You need to remember before money became such a factor in football scottish clubs held their weight in europe. Rangers and Celtic always been there. even the likes of Kilmarnock beating real madrid, dundee utd beating barcalona. hearts and hibs equally big clubs and Aberdeen winning two european competitions. The problem is the Scottish FA not branding the game well enough to the point no investment is coming in. And the problem is scotland is always compared to the quality of england the best league in the world the most money in the world.
Rangers play is a wee dafty league, but we still have more fans than every English side except for United and Liverpool, sell more merchandise, perform better in Europe and would *undoubtedly* be challenging for the English Premier League title within a few years if we were receiving £200m a year the way that top English sides do 🇬🇧
😂😂 His pal Warnock couldnae handle the Scottish game shortest Managerial period ever and helped Aberdeen achieve not a thing Sent bk doon the road
You're using Neil Warnock as an example???
Wow
@@Alan_Wigz example for what he was giving it the big I am wanting to mange in 🏴 failed so what is your point excactally?!
A UK League would sort it out.
They voted No and they still got a football league. Sort it out lads.
It's true however you can't blame the league and clubs. It's the financial disparity between leagues. In the prem celtic and rangers would be mid table at best.
yes for a season or two then the extra revenue would push them up the league,tottenham are average size club compared to the old firm on a worldwide basis and chelsea are minnows without abramovich and now boely
To be fair, Simon is right as in there is nowhere near enough money in Scottish football, and that is down to the sfa and the spfl.
English lower leagues have more money.
The spfl tried to be smart with sky, and it backfired years ago, and sky gave them less.
Stupid game times during the week, plus teams not being able to fill their stadium.
The German model is the best thing they should follow, and scrap this boring set up for our supposed top tier.
A bit disrespectful to all the pub teams up and down the land.
The league is poor overall tbh the teams outside rangers and celtic don’t help themselves constantly hiring long ball managers like football from the 70s sit with everyone behind the ball 95% of the time
I doubt Celtic and rangers would last season in prem
Give them the prem money and they’d win the league within 10 years easy. Bigger fan base than every team in England bar United
Rangers who are alongside Liverpool, Brighton and West Ham in europe tonight? Laughable. Both Celtic and Rangers would be incredibly rich overnight if they joined the prem, tv money, sponsorship. Wouldn't last a season?? They would very quickly displace two current prem teams with their 50,000 seater plus full stadiums and massive supports which dwarf at least half of the Premier League
@@stevethedweeb3846 like all Scotish fans your delusional when truth presents its self
@@stevethedweeb3846 and if it was that easy Chelsea have spent over 1 billion since Americans took over ownership and they are at bottom of league we’re Celtic and rangers would be
Scottish teams need to join the English league it’ll benefit them lots
It's still a pub league I love btw. Criminally undervalued by Sky.
Rangers are right to be afraid of Benfica and on the way out, one can imagine a last rendition of Rule Britannia
Celtic and rangers would be competitive in the premier league if they had a premier league budget how can someone who owned palace and have never won a major trophy call anything a pub league guy is a idiot
The biggest problem for the SPL is also its only real draw. Celtic v Rangers. Nobody beyond their own small fan base cares about any other team or any other match. The old firm is the biggest and only selling point they have, and that ranks below 90% of other big derby or rivalries. If they vanished other teams would have a far more competitive league. But also nobody would watch.
Uneducated opinion to say every other fanbase is small.
What’s Palace EVER won 😂
well the scottish league was once a strong league right up to the early 90s.aberdeen beat real madrid in the 80s and dundee utd beat barcelona home and away in the 80s.The bosman rule were you were allow only 4 foreign players in your team,once they done away with that rule the gulf in class of the big leagues moved away from the smaller leagues.
We also changed our complete setup in 75, which once settled has destroyed our game in Scotland.
Relegating 8 teams from our top flight and 2nd division in 75. 18-18 league setup we had. Went to a 10-10-10.
We scrapped the shared gate receipts also.
We changed the keagie from the old Group stage and 2-leg knockout rounds after groups, to single leg knockouts.
Once all those changes had taken effect, we ended up with a lot more weaker clubs and only a handful of strong clubs.
We fckd our league so the few could get richer.
the SPL league size needs increased. But i mean, from simons point of view, bit rich coming from a country who's top league has RUINED football with paying ridiculous prices for even bang average players and using someone else's money to do so eg- TV. Look at the the lad we have from wolves -silva. raw player, can see he could be good, still has to prove it in big games and still needs to improve, 35 million they paid for him or whatever it was? so pay 35 mil for the "chance" of a good player? Money killing the game and EPL is the main culprit. Its not sustainable and will crash at some point.