Vision Marine Creates An Electric Engine Many Are Saying Is The Tesla Of Boating
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2021
- It's the future of boating, says Vision Marine, a Canadian-based company that has created an engine many are calling the Tesla of boating.
Excellent, after watching and interviewing the ceo. I still have no information.
sounds like all sales, no technical depth of how it works, maintenance, etc
@Don Kanis then what is the point of an interview? Explain your product and how it works.
@Don Kanis yes I’m interested to findout how it works, we all want a video to see how it works. So while having the interview you can show us all and attract more attention if the product is good. If you knew how marketing works now a days then would’ve know better that video is the future. Oh sorry i forgot you a little behind in whats going on in the world.
The reporter could have asked a simple question like what is the range of the boat compared to a gas engine
"Range" is not the right question with a boat. Wind, waves, current can all greatly affect range. TIME is a better gauge of performance -- how long it will run on a full charge.
If the 3-horse I looked into is any indication, the one in the video will disappoint most. The 3hp would run only 70 minutes at full throttle ---- and required TEN AND A HALF HOURS TO CHARGE. I'll pass until they make my old evinrude useless.
Edit: And the 3horse electric had a $3000 tag.
@@squiggymcsquig6170 yes sir captain ⚓🚤
From the little research I've done on this with other boaters using a 50hp electric outboard you get maybe two hours give or take. You're done by mid to late morning and beached most of the day waiting for it to recharge...no thanks.
Come on, man. Go easy on her. Sounds like you're expecting the unreasonable -- journalism ;-)
She's a talking head dingbat. You don't think she's going to be interested in power to weight ratios or effective safe range, because all of that would be ... Man speak / mansplaining
Funny how they never talk about range, batteries, battery weight and consumption of space for them etc.
That’s why it’s on a pontoon boat to hold the battery back
@@mikevannan7235 Exactly !
I've seen several others claim about 50 miles on a charge. That's more than a typical outing in a boat. Especially for freshwater fishing where you might only go a few miles
@@mikevannan7235 Weight is weight regardless of hull design.
Got to start somewhere. How
Far and fast did the Model T go
Just one more pipe dream prototype that is 50 years off. I was promised jetpacks by now.
I was promised moving sidewalks and flying cars in the 70s
I was just thinking the same thing after I watched the first episodes of Lost IN Space in the 1960's. I remember an article in my weekly readers from my grade school in the 60's that every household will have a jet pack by the 1990's, LOL.
Full throttle, it will be a nice 72 sec boat trip…
LOL. My 42' Chris Craft commander has twin Crusader 454s / 600hp which get about 1/2 MPG up on semi-plane. I wouldn't get the time of day from this electric motor.
I'm sure it will shorten up a day of fishing
@@HEMGATOR 3.5 hours at 20 knots. That's pretty fast and obviously you could likely troll all day and still get home. This is still new tech and eventually it will easily surpass ICE engines. Heck, I'm a muscle car guy who know also owns a electric car. There's no getting away from the insane power of these motors. And my car charges for free off of solar. Things are changing fast!
@@robertbrody4032 junk
@@lostin.psychosis7080 Keep saying "junk" about American electric muscle. The quickest production car is electric and it's a family car.
Just when you thought a combustible engine for a boat was expensive.
they will get cheaper.. its the first one
@@stevew5212 will they, with all auto manufacturers claiming they are going to all electric vehicles and at some point boats will probably follow suit do you really think they’ll drop if demand is there?
@@msk3905 Definitely. As demand increases, they'll be able to expand production. Quantity production reduces costs. Also, the fuel savings can't be denied. If you boat frequently, that could add up quick.
@@kf4293 there in lies the problem with this motor, 70 mile range doing 20mph so get on the throttle you’re most likely looking at 1/2 that range on a full charge then you need overnight to recharge so not many people will be boating frequently with this.
Also, nothing in boating is inexpensive so although hopeful prices will never come down significantly on these if demand ramps up, greed will see people these prices now and keep them steady no matter what production efficiencies they may see
@@kf4293 Keep drinking the Kool Aid !! Batteries are VERY expensive to produce , NOT environmentally friendly to produce & EVEN more expensive to REPLACE ( 4 - 6 years ) !! FYI ; just ask any electric car owner !!
My favorite part is how hard the reporter tried to hide the fact the engine was clearly making noise, it looked like it was even starting to annoy him.
Gee that's great no pollution until you ask how much pollution was created during the battery build and the power plant that charges the battery ?
Where I live, power is hydroelectric, nuclear, and wind.
Zero CO2 and zero CO generated by power generation.
How backward and out dated is where you live?
Don’t tell me you still burn coal?!?
As a boater they didn't ask the one main question that matters. How many hours or miles per charge? How far can I go on a single charge?
Yup i just looked it up, the 180E has a range of 70 miles or 3.5 hours at 20 mph and needs overnight to recharge. So basically an excellent option if you plan to put around a lake, river, etc. not meant for off shore trips.
And how much do the batteries weigh?
It’s a step above a prototype and 7 years old. The battery technology will advance just as it has in EVs. I have a boat with a 100 gallon tank. Gas like water I assume weighs about 8lbs per gallon. So as the batteries improve you get a lot more range out of a battery pack that weighs about 500lbs.
200 miles will be very doable very soon.
Super heavy, a LOT of heat, short user time if over half throttle, retails 30% more than a gas fitted rig, batteries degrade if not cycled fairly regularly, replacing the mega-batteries will be crazy expensive, lithium mining is massively dirty business, CCP is the main benefactor. User cannot do his own maintenance at all. If there are fire issues as more if these hit the marinas they will refuse to house your boat. Because if you ever tried to extinguish a lithium battery fire you know what I mean.
@@denmar355 i want one.
Marine conditions are hell on electrical systems. I can only imagine what a couple of years of saltwater use would do
If it's been properly sealed, not much. But time will tell.
@@kf4293 What's their definition of properly sealed? Saltwater just absolutely corrodes everything. If it's just rubber gaskets and a clear coat over circuit boards, well....... 🤣
@@michaelh7527 That would be the "time will tell" part. If they only did it for fresh water, but claim it is okay for saltwater... That ought to show up pretty quick.
@@michaelh7527 It all depends what sealing technologies they are using. If they are using Viton versus a standard EPDM those motors will be fine. Viton is used in conditions far more caustic than saltwater…
...salt water is also hell on diesel and gas engines if the engine is not designed for it or a leak forms. But yes, if you have more electricity, you have more opportunity for stray currents and the corrosion that causes.
I have a 30-foot sailboat and when I'm under sail you can't hear nothing and it doesn't cost me nothing
Makes a lot more sense than a big electric outboard. A small one would be good for maneuvering around the marina though.
you can't hear nothing and it doesn't cost me nothing
So you can hear something, and it does cost you something?
Double negatives bro :)
The small electric that doubles as a generator would be great on a sailboat. Power in the marina, and fully charged batteries!
Right on , Buddy !! And it runs for years with minimal maintenance !!
Not sure how a sail fits into this conversation since not practical for many uses for most boaters.
According to their website, the range is approx. 70 miles (or 3.5 hours) at 20 mph....which will vary, of course. A full recharge is Overnight
So at full speed about 30min run time per day?
Those of us boaters know what reality is when high winds and big waves come...let's talk range then.....
So it useless
Nothing like an under powered boat with limited run time to ruin your day on the water.
What about the huge impact on the environment for mining the lithium for the non recyclable batteries.
Yeah because drilling for oil is known for its lack of environmental impact. It’s not like oil tankers sink or oils rigs blow up. Nice and clean. Oil just magics out the ground. Lithium batteries can and already are being recycled.
@@matthewdowning6009 the amount of fossil fuel used for mining the lithium and making the battery would fuel the motor 2 times over. But some people just refuse to see the truth. And tanker ships wouldn't be a problem if we were drilling in America and had the pipeline.
You mean those batteries that are now recyclable in more advanced nations.
@@e92miami they can't recycle them just like they don't recycle the plutonium from the nuclear power plant like other countries.
And CCP is the leader in this dirty industry. They are the prime beneficiary.
Quiet was emphasized at low speed. You can bet there will be whine & growl as the speed picks up. There has to be noise...there are gears meshing with gears, armatures spinning within bearings etc. Still requiring lubrication at some points I'm sure. Still...a big advance no doubt. I also suspect 25% more on price is conservative.
Super noise and probably not a cool sounding noise like a Verado makes or a old two stroke. Also bilge pumps barley last 3 years. and boat motors fail due to lack of maintenance. water and electricity don't .mix. maybe on a lake they will work. Salt water get a Yamaha.
Full speed with a 4 stroke gasser is almost quiet. That's all you hear is the whining of the gears meshing.
@@thomastreglia3388 To offer a different view: submarines are electric, cruise ship and big yacht propulsion is electric (Azipods), the electric trolling motor in my garage is about 30 years old and still operates. I just recently replaced a bilge pump on my own boat that survived almost 20 years of year round use in mostly salt, and it was the integrated float switch that failed, the motor still runs fine. Electric is fine in water if it's well made, properly installed and maintained. Cheap and neglected stuff will fall apart quickly, and improperly installed stuff will corrode quickly, so proper use of anodes and isolation transformers for the shore power will be critical. Also noise wise, the quieter the better, especially making long runs or trips with the lady. Those old 2 stroke V6 sound cool for about a minute, then they become a painful annoyance.
@@8180634 submarines have bloody great reactors or huge Diesel engines to recharge the batteries. As do cruise ships.
Those idiots dont realize the motor is a small part. The wind and water make most of the noise
So cool... love the no noise, low maintinance and what a pleasant change👍 and eco friendly? Sweeeet
It is Hypocritical in a sense to say no fossil fuels needed and no harm to the environment... EVER PEICE EVERYTHING IN THE ENGINES AND ACCESSORIES at some point in its manufacturing or assembly REQUIRES FOSSIL FUELS
Not to mention where the batteries get their energy from
And you need oil and grease all the moving parts our machines for ever. So we better not burn it all up now.
@@skydude38 I charge my batteries with solar power but I'm only running a little trolling motor and they don't have warranties for saltwater unless you buy a special saltwater Edition motor. They make 500 horsepower gas Motors now but hell they're over $50,000 each minimum. I live on a boat in the Florida Keys and there's boats with 4 and 5 and 6 500 horsepower motors. They got a half a million dollars worth of motors on the back of the boat
why could the equipment used to mine the minerals not have been powered by electricity that was produced by a solar array? Your are just assuming that. We all know what ass u me means dont we.
@@skydude38 the sun and a solar array? Think outside the box captain.
I'm take my 32 ft catamaran offshore 135 miles, I can't imagine what size batteries it will take to run that distance and fish all night. I love the idea of helping mother nature but just don't think the technology is ready connect with water.
Electric boats have been around at a slow cruise level, but this is the first performance option that can be transferred to any outboard capable boat.
Vin diesel talking about the engine
What fuel source is used for charging the batteries?
Honda generator on the bow.
@@marvinsauer8493 Windmill.
Fossil fuel of course. Where do they think electricity comes from?
CH4...error natural gas ...aka FOSSILS
@@stephencallegarijr.156 you forgot to mention coal power plants.
I love the fact the do not even mention the battery - range, speed or anything that makes sense - a fully empty shell of a report. The battery alone will set you back close to the same as the boar and the motor....
If your current boat has a capacity of 4 people. Now it's capacity is two people to account for the weight of the Batteries.
Well if your goal is to be able to be at sea for a very long time the best way to go is a hybrid generator system that has heat recovery because running a generator at peak performance parameters gives you a much higher efficiency and longevity. So you don’t necessarily have to not use fuel you just use the fuel to charge the battery that’s improving your efficiency. Generator that can be hidden away in a sound insulated room. This really is the way everyone’s going to be doing it eventually. I know because I make batteries and I’ve studied these systems for quite a while
@@timmothyburke" to not use fuel you just use the fuel", right
@@timmothyburke So in addition to the extra weight of the batteries, we add some extra weight with the generator and the fuel for the generator. Not sure what you think what size boat most people use.
@@ColdieHU I'm an engineer who is talking about a complex subject of efficient fuel usage and apparently people can't understand it..... So in simple terms if your system is more efficient you use less fuel.... If your using your inboard motor to charge lead acid batteries your efficiency is way less because the engine is operating at at less efficient load and rpm. Also running an engine at low load is bad for it.
@@timmothyburke We're just simple boaters talking about the realities of using a boat regularly and how much space is available, how much weight can be added, and how long we can use them for. Efficiency at what cost? is the argument
How many hours of runtime does it get? And it looked like he was plugging into a 30 to 50 amp outlet using a 50 amp RV cord.
Must be one hell of a battery to fit under that hood? Or are they sold separately and have be installed in the boat? How long will they last when pounding waves? Are they environmentally friendly with the boat swamps or sinks? Can the batteries short out and catch fire? Do you have to remove them for winter storage up north?
How far can you go on a charge?
All of the above !
Buddy most people I see running you big motors around me don't even know how to drive a boat much left changes spark plug and air filter or change the oil and drain your carburetor. There is a lot of reasons electric motors are more dependable than internal combustion engines a lot less moving parts for main reason
@@edwardroche2480 Believe me I’m all for it !! I was a boat Mechanic in the 80’s and 90’s and I spend a ton of money on boat gas now!! They are legitimate questions!! I’ve thought about it for years!! would be happy to have one!!
- How long will they last when pounding waves? I can't answer this without some research.
- Are they environmentally friendly with the boat swamps or sinks? Unless intentionally busted open it's highly unlikely that Li-ion batteries would pose anywhere near the same environmental hazard that gasoline, diesel fuel and oil do (all of which routinely find their way into our waterways).
- Can the batteries short out and catch fire? Any battery can be deliberately shorted out. I'm certain the packs used in this application are well insulated and properly stowed. Barring some sort of massive physical trauma there is perhaps zero chance they can accidentally be shorted. If they are a high quality NCA (like Tesla) or NMC (like Nissan) chemistry and employ a quality Battery Maintenance System (BMS) then it's extremely unlikely they will ever catch fire. This boat almost certainly uses NMC chemistry which is less likely to burn than NCA chemistry. Nissan has been building the LEAF for nearly 12 years with over a half million sold world wide and to date there has not been one reported fire caused by the batteries. Most EV battery fires are caused by high speed impacts or by employing extremely high charging rates. This application charges the batteries using shore power which is most definitely NOT high power :-).
- Do you have to remove them for winter storage up north? The Li-ion batteries shouldn't be a problem as long as they don't get submerged. For a marine application they will be extremely well insulated and sealed from the environment. As for temperatures, they drive Tesla's (which use NCA chemistry), in sub-zero weather all the time. Tesla's have been tested at 40 below and work just fine (albeit with considerably less capacity). If using LFP chemistry (LiFePo4) however, care must be taken not to charge them if below 0C or they will be damaged.
- How far can you go on a charge? That particular boat has a battery pack with 70kWh of energy. The motor is 180 Hp which is pulling roughly 135 kW of power at wide open throttle. With the motor at full throttle pulling 135kW of juice a 70kWh battery will last roughly 30 minutes at best. If just putting around between 15-20 mph with a boat that small I suspect the motor would be pulling roughly 15kW (20 Hp) of power which should last a good 9 to 10 hours.
@@Tron-Jockey Thank you for answering my questions! Years ago when I worked on boats I often wondered if bigger size electric outboards would would be invented! Solar panel decks to keep them charging maybe next!
I can see this picking up for recreational boating more quickly than commercial. But competition is going to be interesting. I think we'll see companies making more affordable but smaller PWCs (personal water craft) for people to quickly and easily get out on the water. I'm sure there's a market for converting over to this system but it's difficult to get everyone 'on board' if it's expensive. I suspect you'll have a company (Tesla?) come along with the ability for scale to produce a very efficient, small, packaged system or PWC (hydrofoil?).
The energy density of gas and especially diesel cannot currently be beaten by batteries. Batteries will improve but it's a whole different game out there on the ocean especially with commercial and larger fishing vessels.
Look up "economy of scale"
you're welcome.
But it won’t!!! There are countless reasons why this hasn’t already been done! It’s pure stupidity!
Engine cheap, battery expensive and ridiculously heavy. Will not be reality for a while..
@@chriskibodeaux9818 - Hey, 5 year-old,...take a chill pill,...YEESH!
@@ristokarhu8872 - Absolutely correct! It won't be perfect for a while,...this tech is in it's infancy.
Kinda like our space programs, worldwide, but even ours and Space X, etc,...it's really just getting started.
I wouldn't say we are in our infancy any more as far as space travel goes, but there is SO MUCH to invent AND discover. It's a serious driver of new tech, but we aren't past our "toddlerhood" in space either.
We're getting there,...sending up the pieces to build the next GINORMOUS ship (and supply it, fuel, food, etc., already sent ahead too), on orbit (learned from building the ISS), is going to be AWESOME!
The moon space station too,...more of a transfer/holding point, but a real space station around the moon,...you get the idea.
Getting closer to Star Trek everyday :o)
Waiting for the first man-rated space station around the moon,...then Mars!
It's on its way.
What a nice day to boat around. Too bad I forgot to charge it like my phone
How long does a charge last.... I'm thinking this may be useful as a tender from a yacht or something not out driving around all day
Love it, but what kind of batteries, size and weight?
I’m curious. Does a true life cycle analysis support that it is a more “environmentally sensitive” alternative? By much?
The environmental footprint of electric is a scam. Batteries take tons of power to make and when you charge your car or boat you are more than likely charging with coal or natural gas. That is why if you are truly trying to reduce your carbon footprint now, a hybrid car is the best solution. A boat hybrid would be about worthless.
Prefer the sound and smell of 2 stroke engines.
Best comment. So true love it
So what happens when the seas get rough and the battery starts draining at a rate that will leave you without power before you're at the dock? I realize you will need to leave a buffer, just like with gas, but unlike gas battery rates are not constant.
How will we keep up with the need for energy yeah it’s good for environment to run vs gas but what do we gotta do to maintain the need for energy
How long of an extension coard does it come with? OK, this is really absurd since it can't carry enough battery to drive more than a few hours.
When I take my boat out to sea I take two fuel tanks....One for my days fishing and I change out to a fresh tank to come back in across the bar which is pretty dangerous and not to be taken lightly....I would not like to trust my life to a battery I have been using all day.
Security, Security... this is Coast Guard Cutter, Cape Disappointment. We received your distressed call, do you have solar panels? Over.
That is exactly how that call goes. Lol
Great idea. Good for people who live near busy waterways and have to put up with noisy boats
I’ve built large lithium battery packs and I can tell you that with the way that diesel engines need to be rebuilt because of their operational parameters going with a generator with heat recovery and running that thing at the perfect RPM and load gives you way more hours. There are companies that put out small generators with heat recovery that will give you like 80,000 hours before the engine needs to be rebuilt, and the efficiency is much much higher. This is basically a hybrid belt system that I’m talking about but also has heat recovery for all your hot water and space heat. So basically you could be at sea for much much longer with the same amount of fuel
If its so great build one and sell them.
@@hansgruber2509 my guy what are you 5yo?
@@thomaslindroos1667 What's wrong? Butt hurt because you lack the intellect to debate a topic?
hey Tim remeber when we use to watch my aunty Carol go to the toilet in the old days
U mean electric drive via deisel generator?
Its how many large ships are powerwd now
...all electric azipods and thrusters and massive multiple power plant deiself
How long does it hold a charge.....will it handle a tournament load in a bass boat for 8 to 9hrs of running and gunning????
No no and no
Estimated range is 70 miles at a cruising speed of 20 mph or 3.5 hours. Needs a way bigger battery. Way to small for tournament level bass boats. 20 mph, are you even touching the pedal. LOL
You can get 24 hr battery but its on a 30 ft tri toon and one person max rating.. none of this crap will work. It will take 40 percent battery to leave out of a Miami port to go out 20 miles of fishing and call tow boat usa with a diesel engine to tow all you electric idiots back.... what a waste for something that doesn't exist..
Sorry fishing will be illegal it causes the fish pain and suffering
@@robertcooke4989 lol!!
70 miles doing 20 mph ! That’s funny right there ! You can’t hear my Yamaha 4 stroke running either.
How is the power in the plug made?? just a coal boat
I looked into battery operating my 15' v hull boat. I ran the #'s and it looks possible if I want to go about 5 miles per hour on two lead acid batteries on a 400watt solar panels running a 55lbs thrust motor. Any faster raises the amperage to levels where it gets crazy expensive.
Everything you said is cow manure.
Have you priced a brand new pickup truck with an ICE engine? Yeah, they ain't cheap either.
About $43,000,.... for a stripped-down version. So, your point is?
And no thanks, keep your comparison of two different things to yourself. It means nothing in your context.
Also, i'll compare the MANY actual vehicles and motors, batteries, etc., available on the market already.
Not your "5 miles per hour on two lead acid batteries on a 400watt solar panels running a 55lbs thrust motor."
What kind of a comparison is that B.S.?
It’s a great idea that will take awhile to make good sense. It has a battery that weighs as much as two people, just runs at full speed about 3.5 hours, retails about 30% more than a four stroke gas engine, and the battery generates a LOT of heat and will likely have to be replaced after 6-7 years at a very high cost. Not to mention that lithium mining is a far cry from clean technology, and benefits the CCP more than anyone. My 4-stroke gas engine has been flawless since 2011, burns pretty clean, no smoke or fumes, has many more years in it.
But wealthy people will enjoy the virtue signaling it does for them.
@Denis M If there ever is a time for fact checking, it would be now!🤦🏻♂️You have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about, holy crap!
@@c-fb He's right. EVs are a joke for the woke.
@@c-fb Go ahead and spout your communist fact-checking BS. I don’t hear you giving us any facts disputing what Denis said. Go ahead and believe the main stream narrative on climate change and clean energy. Before you know it, you won’t have any power or internet in your basement to spread your propaganda.
thanks for saving 5min of my life typing! ha.
Range 70 miles ? What's happens to that with a sudden head wind or big waves going back to shore? Does it come with spare oars?
70 miles at half speed.
How big are the batteries and how much do the batteries cost. How long is the run time on a charge?
I'm all for most parts.
Makes sense storage wise, just gut out tge fuel tank that should already be around the center of weight for the boat, then slap in the batteries. Lots of room under tge floors.
Weight of the batteries would be a downfall, weight is everything on a boat.
Secondly, maybe range isn't the biggest thing to all. As a fisherman, I generally travel wide open throttle to one end of the lake to the other but spend 80% of the day on my trolling motor. Two points that come with that though is
A) on a 2 or 3 day trip you'll need to recharge after each trip.
B) sense ill be on my trolling motor all day, is that going to effect how many hours of fishing I get.
As many have mentioned, is 10 gallons of gas and a few pints of oil as bad as those batteries will be sitting at the bottom of the lake? Oil and gas will float and get pushed to shore doing very minimal damage realistically. What can be said about the batteries I dont know.
I definitely think electric motors are going to have an impact on the future of boating.
The battery tech itself determines how bad it will be at the bottom of the lake. Lead is bad, but the sulfuric acid in a lead acid battery will quickly be stabilized into clay (turns it into gypsum). But keep in mind that gasoline engines also use batteries (but yes, fewer).
@@eventhisidistaken this would be using lithium batteries though.
New technology - an electric motor.
What happened if I go 50 nm mile out and it low battery what pull out some double aa battery’s
What's the charge time?
Electric motor and water what could possibly go wrong 🤷🤣🤣🤣
What concerns me about all this electric tech is... I cant just fill up my battery if the tank runs out 😑 And if it breaks... I CANT FIX IT 🙄
And BY the BY …… if You TOTALLY Drain-Dead an EV ….. it’s a DEAD-TOW !!!!!
“ NO - CAN - JUMPSTART !!!!! “
This concept is FOLLY for the Masses !!!!!!
What happens when you can’t get or don’t have gas? Same thing. We all assume that’s it’s always going to be available.
Valid point… That said, one can always take along extra fuel… But one cannot take along extra electricity! It’s a farce 🙃
@@Houndzee then you have someone bring you some gas or carry more with you, can't carry a damn extension cord everywhere you go
@@Houndzee almost everyboat I have been on has a spare Jerry Can of Gas with them
What is the range and weight including the batteries ?
What happens if your boat becomes swamped or actively sinking?
These engines are great. They charge with unicorn farts from fairyland no coal burning in Electrical plants
Electric is more difficult for boats. Cars use power accelerating, but at constant speed on level roads, need very little power. Boats use lots of power just maintaining a steady speed.
Electric motors are super efficient at higher speeds.
So there is that.
Do you have ANY knowledge about this topic?
Sure doesn't seem like it.
No fuel being burned...how do you charge it?
What is the range?
Forget batteries, it’s a revamp of ancient past. They need to come up with a small nuclear fission generator to power electric motors then we can really see the benefits of electric evolution.
They make electricity with fossil fuels so the motor actually does use fossil fuels.
not all of it.
How long does it last for?
How does the weight of batteries effect things?
Need shore power.... this has its own issues as far as corrosion goes. Need a lot of zinc?
you can set your batteries however you need them, if you want more range, you need to add more batteries, or you take less range for less weight
i get about 120 miles off of a single charge on a 200 pound single battery pack, could also so 2 100 pound or 4 50 pound packs
About 25% more expensive…. Ya guys figure that out Or I’ll just keep using my 25% less expensive gas motor like I’ve been doing for the last 10 years…
you are spending money on gas, oil changes, tune ups, etc. this engine has none of those things. it gets cheaper the longer you use it.
@@mikepayne1350 Yeah, until you need to replace those very expensive batteries.
@@mikepayne1350 inferstructer alone isn’t anywhere near ready… the electric car just isn’t practical for an average person making $35,000-45,000 a year. Why push all electric when hybrids have been kicking ass for the last 12 years And you can afford a hybrid.
@@turtsable it's a viable option today for a lot of people that are not driving electric yet.
Love it. It might be the biggest outboard for now but I have seen lot bigger motors in larger electric boats.
This sounds like good idea my question how long does the battery last between charges because boats tend to consume more fuel
Awesome, But, how heavy are the batteries and especially if these are on a 6 metre fishing vessel ? Where would you fit batteries ? STABILITY and WEIGHT factor, there’s only one place for batteries below deck , Batteries need to be made light as possible.
All fun and games 'till you realize that you can only go a few miles then have to spend several hours connected to shore power before you can do it again. Until batteries get close to the energy density of gas or diesel there will be very few electric boats.
There have never been any problems with salt water and electronics. For this to gain any traction with mainstream boaters, it needs to be the same or better performance as gas and cheaper. Battery packs and motors need to have 3000 hours of reliability. Not to mention the enormous dangers of lithium battery fires. I want to see this work, just not ready yet.
Go back to sleep Salty. We'll wake you up later, when parts and gasoline are getting hard to find. 😁
the motor itself is a lot more efficient than a gasoline engine, probably 50%
just need to consider the extra weight for batteries
the benefit is that you do not need extra cost for gasoline, with a solar panel you virtually have free power
ev engines are a lot, a loooot, more reliable than fuel engines, 3000 hours is a joke, they are virtually maintenance free
if lithium battery fires are a "enormous danger" to you, i wonder what hauling gallons of gasoline is
@@JOhnDoe-nl4wj 🤣🤣 battery packs large enough to push large center console boats can never be fully charged by solar. They need to be 100 percent sealed. 3000 hours might be possible on smooth roads and inshore lakes and rivers but rough landings in ocean swells tend to crack anything and everything rigidly constructed. For powerboats this is still decades away from being good enough.
@@ianmankersen it really depends on what your needs are and what you want
i personally have a 5 by 2m motorboat with 400kg and i outfitted it with an evo 6 10hp motor and a single 9000 Wh battery
i have 2 solar panels which charge the battery to full within the week ( i generally use the boat weekends only)
the motor is virtually maintenance free and what little maintenance is needed ever 6 months is laughable (just checking in the anodes and pins)
compared to a stroke engine, a brushless motor as virtually no exposed parts, you'll notice after a while how little wear and tear happens
also i do coast the baltic sea, not the saltiest water but still fairly rough sea
considering the 15hp 2 stroke engine i had before and the fuel and maintenance cost it took i can say that my new setup is, quiet literally, for free now
i can do about 10-11 mph for about 2 hours or i can do about 4 mph for over 18 hours before i drain the battery pack
it's not like you're wrong, it might be decades away for certain applications but for my little powerboat going electric is a total gamechanger
so, that said, cheers mate!
@@JOhnDoe-nl4wj yes the application for my environment is very different. I need to be able to maintain a minimum of 20 mph for at least 3-4 hours continuously in seas 0-6 feet and that is just one way. I need to have an expectation of 250 nm range in a vessel with a weight of 6,000-12,000 pounds. I would love for electric motors to accomplish this for me, with the added security of solar recharging but the technology isn’t to this level yet. Cheers back at you from Florida USA
How long does it take to charge….0% to 100% ? Cost?
Ok, so electrical is also taking over here, the few times I go on the water with my boat i want to here that 3 cilinder 2 stroke and smell the smoke allright?
That will suck when after two hours into your water skiing you have to go home and recharge. Meanwhile the guys with gas engines will refuel at the pump and be back having fun in 10 minutes.
She didn’t ask any questions? “Omg it’s so quiet?” We have established at this point electric motors are quiet. Brushless motors have been quiet for decades. And it’s not “running” sitting at the dock. Electric motors don’t have to idle. The power is on demand. When you use your vacuum cleaner you don’t start it and let it sit there? I know she’s not technical but she’s not stupid either. How about an actual price, different models based on power output, battery type, size, dimensions. Like can you retrofit the battery pack where the gas tank used to be? Is the battery bank an extra cost on top of the engine price?Range on a full charge? How long it takes to get to full charge. Can you run the “house” accessories off the battery bank vs having traditional lead acid deep cycle or agm battery bank? I know it’s a fluff piece to fill an empty time spot, but damn if it was about who Vladimir Putin was fucking this week it would have got 20 minutes.
Fill the hull volume with lead, what could go wrong?
Elco Motors make a range of electric outboard replacement motors with the same form factor and lower end as a gas motor. They are 90% efficient and available from 5 to 50HP made in the USA.
I am completing a small pontoon build with a 20hp, 2 48v 200 amp hour batteries, a propane generator and 900 watts of solar panels.
As many have noted, it is mostly about the batteries. Mine with the 24v 200 amp hour systems battery for the trolling motor and general boat 12v power weigh over 400lbs. That means the 180hp probably requires a 96v battery of 1000lb to have any range and no onboard power regeneration is a killer in my opinion. With my propane and solar, I am capable of recharging fully in a short time and running all day. But its a 17' pontoon boat, not a ski boat.
Great if no fuels were used to generate the electricity to charge the power system for the motor, but, fuel is used, for the most part, to produce electricity
Someday we won't have to burn oil to make electricity. We'll use it to grease gears and wheels. The Sun is the most powerful source of energy in the universe
It doesn't have to be. This would be a good use case for solar or wind. Actually both solar and windmills are extremely popular on sailboats, slightly larger of the same could be installed where the boat is kept if the goal is to charge without use of any fuel.
Yes, emissions free. Except for when you charge it, Mining all of the materials needed for the batteries. It may have it's place in some areas, but it won't work in my area.
Yep. The inconvenience of talking about those pesky things. Zero engine or motor is zero emissions.
@@bennierheeder7015 👍👍
We will all get to live to see the days of mountains and mountains of toxic battery disposal sites.
So when you're out on the lake and run out of power, where do you get a can of electricity?
So cool! Great work
My whole point of having a speed boat is to hear the two stroke Merc screaming down the river.
A man of culture, I see. Same with my old 2 stroke Johnson
Lol. That battery pack weighs a ton. Fuel as u burn up sheds weight. Range is gonna be shit. There’s no charge station out at sea or big lake😆
You never heard of an extension cord
@@robertcooke4989
They still use those? Its all about wireless charging now. Soon to be charging thru satellite wifi😆
3.5 hours at about half speed.
distance on charge?
I have a 20 year old Bayliner Capri that just sits in my driveway becasue of all of the problems with the inboard motor. I spent a lot of time work and money restoring it so it could be used as a fishing and relic hunting boat, but here it is July and the damn thing is still broke down. I am 100% for electric boat motors as well as automobiles. That is the future no matter how much some people want to trash the technology.
The complete package goes for about $79,000, including $27,000 for the motor.
For example: the new Mercury 600 hp Verado is $77,000 USD.
With the price of frigging boat gas this makes sense considering some boats nave 100+ gallon tanks
@@timothyberlinski2299 how much does the battery weigh. what is the recharge time. Does the boat actually plane with all the extra weight. $52,000 will buy a lot of fuel. Salt water is very harsh on electronic devices. Do you get electrocuted when it sinks?
@@chrisshewmaker2762 battery weight, well I don't know but what does 300gal of fuel weigh? Electrocuted well they are sealed and we all know there are never boat fires, recharge time idk but a tesla can recharge in 30 min, how long does it take to fill 300 gallons. And 52000 does by alot of gas but figure 300 gal tank and if you use a full tank once a month at $4 a gallon its only 4 years
@@timothyberlinski2299 this boat recharges from shore power 120 volts. Recharge time would be 12-14 hours. A pontoon boat at most carries 50 gallons of fuel not 300. The weight of the tank and a full load of fuel would be around 400 lbs. The weight of a Tesla battery capable of powering this boat would weigh 1400 lbs. The 1000 lbs.. difference would greatly affect the performance of this boat. %0 gallons of gas would give you more range than a full battery charge. &0 miles verses 2-3 gallons per mile.
A vision?
A Creation?
A game changer?
NOT !
How much does this motor Cost and how reliable is it? That's my question!!!!
Where do I plug this in 70 miles offshore?
A quiet ride ? Yeah not for me. I love the smell and sound of a gas powered boat.
This.
It will be nice for boats to go running past and not having to hear the engines roaring. I just hope that they can do something to keep from running over manatees with them.
Electric JET Boats
They need a manatee whistle that's like a deer whistle
@@toddr2265 manatees tend to ignore just about everything. Except the sound of running water and they are attracted to that. Dogs and cats often run when they hear a car coming. Those that don't die. I got a couple of rabbits that won't hide from fireworks and if you drop something loud or heavy near them they don't even flicker a n ear they have experiments going to try and get manatees to avoid boats but the boats move too fast
@@toddr2265 * Deer whistles do not work, and have been proven to not work.
Clown alert
How you going to charge at sea?
And the electricity to charge it comes from? Coal, oil, or natural gas.
Saying it's clean is a joke. The batteries don't charge from magic
What if you have solar panels on your house?
You have to admit not polluting the waterways needlessly is a good thing.
Also I don’t see why you couldn’t outfit a boat with solar panels and recoup some of the cost of charging.
Considering where they are there is probably plenty of sunshine.
@@pault4004 * Ya, that's the ticket. Let's put solar panels on everything, I.e. race cars, airplanes battleships, tanks, bass boats, don't worry about getting your line cut on them. Lol.
wait till someone plus in the shore power to recharge their boat and the lights in the house go out . to many electric ev plugged into the grid and eventually it will fail
They have cute little devices to avoid overpowering the grid. And soon they will have battery banks that will store the excess solar power
@@edwardroche2480 * Talk to me when the technology has been distributed.
@@edwardroche2480 dream on
I live on a cute little house boat anchored out off the Florida Keys. I got a cute little 2-door refrigerator freezer. It's full of frozen meat chicken beef fish lima beans exchange Frozen all day all night on solar power. I got the panels out of the garbage and the batteries to. Even after I turn it off if I put a ziplock bag of water in there it will freeze. I can keep ice cream in it. It runs in the daytime just fine but the two dead battery quit working about an hour or two after sunlight. I used to have to buy one bag of ice at $3 a day and sometimes two bags. I did this for 20 years. My shoulder refrigerators been running since after Hurricane Irma 2017. The science is everywhere and the materials to do it have been around long enough to people are throwing them in the garbage. I love this country.
@@robertcooke4989 ain't no dream I've been living off the grid for years
So like teslas, will it xost more to repair than the value?
Does it suffer the same faults as an Electric car? The process of making and maintaining an electric car generates more CO2 than making and running an equivalent combustion engine. The engine cost 25% more than a regular engine, but then you must buy the batteries. How much are they?
Exactly a so called environmentally friendly electric car needs to do 90k before it's cleaner than your typical diesel family car at by which time the batteries would be starting to fail rendering the car a write off
How much for the jet ski ?
Would really be cool to see a hydrofoil boat with this motor on it, would increase the speed of the boat as well as reduce the wear and tear and increase the range on a single charge due to there being less drag being a hydrofoil boat.
I can sort of see this. Regular outboard motors are hooked up to a portable gas tank that can be taken in and out of the boat. Inboard boats might have a built in one, but I've never seen an outboard boat with an internal tank. So instead of a gas tank you have a battery pack you can take home, or up to the cottage, to charge. Weight might be an issue. Maybe one of those new industrial packs like Milwaukee is using for their construction grade cordless tools.
Boats are either docked or hauled out. If docked, use shore power. If hauled out, plug it in on the dry.
“Take home or up to the cottage.” Lol
Do you have any idea how big and heavy this battery is?
@@carpballet Do you have any idea how heavy a full five gallon fuel tank is? Around forty pounds, and that size is standard for outboard motor boats.
We're not talking Tesla sized battery.
Milwaukee makes a line of cordless tools for serious construction. Like a cement saw that will cut a forty foot long cut in six inches of cement with one charge. Those batteries are huge, but can be inserted with one hand.
battery powered lawnmowers that can run for an hour use two battery packs of the size you would use in a cordless drill.
Don't get me wrong. I think gas is the better option if you're talking about a long day of cruising, or running a ski boat. But there is a niche market for electric. They already use small ones, and have for decades, for fishing.
@@thtiger1 60kwh 650 volt battery weighs 400kg. Do you know what that is in lbs?
@@carpballet Yes, and I don't see your point. In limited application an outboard boatmotor would not need anything like that size. You could cruize for a half a day on a forty pound battery. And a small boat with an outboard motor certainly would not behave well if you stuck an 880 lb battery in it.
Yeah, the MOTOR costs 25% more. now you have to purchase the batteries. How many batteries does it take to run it? How far will it run on that battery? I can keep my 4 stroke running for my entire life. Electric “sounds” cool, but they got a loooooooong way to go.
Runs how long at full speed? How long to recharge? These are THE most important issues, along with cost. I'm guessing the run/charge times suck, or they would've mentioned them, even though they did provide a "for more information, go to....".
why so negative? we are making leaps n bounds on batteries and run time.
@@stevew5212 I'm so negative because the 3hp electric outboard I considered (supposedly cutting edge) last year had a whopping 70 minute run-time and required ten and a half hours to charge. Add to that the $3000 price tag and I was decidedly underwhelmed.
There's a lot more "leaping and bounding" needed; and if the run/charge times of the product in this video were likely to impress anybody, it would've mentioned them. As for the price of it, I won't even hazard a guess; but I'd bet if I did it be be too low.
I think teets on a boar hog are more useful
3.5 hours at half speed. Crazy heavy. Lot of heat. Replacement will cost more than a new pontoon rig. Lithium is very environmentally very dirty tech. CCP is the main beneficiary to lithium battery power. Other than that, all good I suppose.
Awesome! Long overdue and welcomed - Thanks for brining us this story.
What’s the range tho
High voltage and water. What can do wrong?