We purchased an electric car in 2021. We will never own another gas powered vehicle. Maintenance is basically zero Performance is awesome and charging time on a long trip averaging about 20 minutes for every 2 hours of driving. We usually charge at home for around one dollar a day for my wife’s commute. Electric is the right choice for us. Love your channel
I prefer hybrid. I have owned a toyota prius and bmw i3 with range extender. I prefer the prius because I like the convenience of having a gas station everywhere while charging stations are rather scarce and even if you do find one, they are either occupied, not maintained, someone is parked there inexplicably, or cost too much money. I cant drive outside my state with my electric car but with my prius, I can drive two states away on a single tank of gas.
I recently made a similar conversion from a heavy RIB + petrol o/b to a lighter catamaran dinghy (True Kit 3m) + electric o/b (ePropulsion Spirit). Love it. Range anxiety is more significant than range limitation itself. Also bought the solar charging panel. Have kept my petrol o/b as a temporary measure ‘just in case’ but haven’t used it the entire season.
You two are amazing in being able to line up these options to test. That must have taken a lot of time to arrange. Congratulations on a very informative video, as you always do.
When we were cruising in our trawler we carried two motors…a 15 HP Yamaha and a 3 HP. The small motor was our “harbor” motor. Light weight, easy on and off and we used it traveling the ICW. Unfortunately this was before Torqueedo. In the Bahamas and the Keys we mounted the 15 HP for speed and range for trips to the reefs and going to town. Something to consider.
If you are basing your decision on “smiles per watt” I would say the jet propulsion was your favorite. I also think that’s it’s ability to run in shallower water, faster top speed, and the ability to run from danger/weather makes it a good option.
and don't forget that with a jet, there's no spinning propeller or other moving parts under the water, so for a diver, this is a huge plus too, from a safety point of view. Sure has my vote!
All good arguments for sure. But I would point out the relative fragility of a jet drive. They have wear items like wear rings, and it can be difficult to clear debris that gets lodged in the intake or impeller. Impellers are also precision items, which means you can't get one that isn't perfect in a remote location and deal with the imperfection, but on a traditional drive if the available prop isn't quite the same as the old one you can still make it work. Also not being able to pull the drive leg and take it somewhere for service is another maintenance drawback. I think where I live in the US I would love that jet tender, but I'm not sure I'd want to take it anywhere remote and rely on it at all.
@@JheregJAB eh, The impeller in my 200 hp supercharged Sea-Doo from 2006 has never been changed is rusty as and so is the drive shaft haven’t changed the wear ring in years Rarely pick up any debris and I definitely run through a lot of seaweed and still does the factory top speed of 70 miles an hour like a champ
Lol, my face was hurting from smiling and laughing so much when you were testing that Zero Jet. Then when you said it’s no longer a need it’s a want because it’s so coooool! If you want help deciding, remember he can’t put a price on happiness!
One thing that the Zerojet has over all the other options you looked at is its battery chemistry. It has LiFePo4 cells, not NMC like the others. NMC cells have only a fraction of the life span of LiFePo4 and even more important on a boat is the safety issue. If something goes wrong with NMC cells, then you have a huge problem on your hands.
Electric engine is ten hours charge time, for two to three hours max use time, even with solar. You need AT LEAST one spare battery. I just got Torqueedo 1103CL - good in calm water which is not common in good sailing weather! - but its great to start and be sure it will start!!!!
The best part about the electric jet drive is that you can flip the boat up on its side or upside down for storage and not have to worry about taking the gas engine off. The best part is no part. I love the concept and the tender. And with all that solar from the cat to boot... The initial cost might seem high now, but think of all the money and headaches you'll save. One less thing to worry about.
I would go with a hybrid option. Gasoline outboard for high speed long-distance runs. Electric outboard for short trips to the beach or the dock. If the gasoline outboard fails to start you have the electric outboard as a back up.
Extra batteries for longer trips. If it were me, I'd carry a backup motor on the HH44 rather than a gas outboard as a backup. It'd be great if the same battery model and form factor were used for both the HH44 and the tender
We went electric a couple of years ago and would never go back. After a false start with an electric outboard that wasn’t any good we found the ePropulsion Spirt Evo and it’s been amazing for the last 18 months. We got it when we were in Venice which was good as a lot of areas are starting to ban petrol engines (I’m sure there will be more of that around the world, something to bear in mind) we had a problem with it in Turkey this year but they fixed it within a week, they have brilliant worldwide service ( they actually sent us a new unit!) something else to bear in mind. Loving the OC dinghy and that amazing jet pack, exciting times! Great review guys.
The Jet drive looks like so much fun! You probably already thought about this. Is there a marine grade portable solar charger to take with the dinghy? You could let it charge while you’re on shore
Seems like waiting for the hydrofoil would make sense since you probably have a year or two to wait on the new boat. Also investigating if the 440 lbs weight limit can be raised would make sense or figure using your boom to lift a second battery pack that you would only load if you were going on an extended range trip.
What an awesome test series- and, really relevant to the times. I'm NOT surprised at how few choices there are and the weight cost of ever increasing reserves- but, it's really nice to 'see it' in real life- working, running and providing service. Even though LiFePO4 is the best thing since sliced bread- it's NOT the answer to our dreams...yet!
i appreciate your togetherness, life with a your choice should be about ONENESS and developing this and I see it you you as a couple. THANK YOU for being a model that taking care of each other really pays off!! Love yall!!!
You were both smiling ear to ear the WHOLE TIME you were in the zerojet.... That motor on that OC is a winning combo! What a perfect dinghy, especially if you can hot swap a "get home"/"limp home" backup battery...
The zerojet looked like a good option, but as others have commented, impellers can get damaged pretty easily. Check on availability of replacement wear rings and impellers as you will become very familiar with changing them out.
That ZeroJet is similar in speed/maneuverability to our Yamaha jetski/wave-runner (had it going about 70mph/113kmph this past week on a lake in northern Wisconsin only our machine is gas powered)! That battery speed though, was super fast!! And looked SOOO FUNNN!!! Loved the comparison of all the motors. Nikki- "My cheeks are starting to hurt!" (from smiling so much!) 🤩👍
The jet looks like a blast! Bad thing about jet impellers are high wear parts that need to be replaced more often as a bit of wear with significantly decrease your efficiency and thus range...from what I'm told.
Any plans to bring down battery weight? Cool concept but at 50% more weight than an old torqueedo battery and about 30% more weight than a hot-swappable avator battery it adds up.
I vote for the Zero Jet : ) Recharge time will be of interest. The beauty of electric is that you will not need to store gas cans (that are a fire hazard) and with your HH44 electric infrastructure you have free solar power for unlimited use of your new Zero Jet.
If they have 3kW of solar and if they have the 10kWh battery then charging from. ~0 to 100% will take 3hours. 5kWh of solar 2hours. A 240v standard wall socket (international standard socket) ~4h 15min. A weak 110 10 amp USA socket ~9 hours.
Some very cool options there. The zerojet looks like a hoot. Problem is, you folks beach your tender a lot. With no way to cover the intake, you end up sucking a lot of sand through your jet impeller. Though it is intended to be beached, having run a jet into shallow beaches a ton, I just see maintenance headaches ahead. Hint: when you kick it sideways, do a half-reverse on the deflector bucket, it will keep the rotation going. :-)
Thanks Nikki and Jason for this! We are currently researching for a tender and electric engine without the ability to get our hands on some of these new ones out there to try. This is immensely helpful.
Don't normally comment but I appreciated this 2 part series. I have been intrigued by the OC tender and the idea of an electric power system. You did a fine job of displaying the different options. Thank you.
I've been using an epropultion spirit 1 on a wooden dinghy (seahopper scamp) for a couple seasons as a full time live aboard on a fully electric monohull. It has been great, so much better.
We have the ePro Spirit 1.0 plus. We love that thing. It pushed our 5k pound sailboat just fine. It did well in the wind and current although those conditions drained the battery more. We also would use it on the dinghy .
Amazing that you got to test all those prototypes, super fun to watch and does indeed make me hopeful that my future tender will be electric! Thanks so much for making these videos guys!
I have been staring at your problem for almost 2 years now. Here is what I came up with. Carry 2 motors, lots do this anyway...a gaser for longer trips that you need to carry lots of gear, and an electric for the shorter in and out trips. I picked up a used merc 20hp for reasonable. Now I need to find an electric.
I saw the your NEW boat!! She is beautiful and I absolutely love her color!! I will NOT say how I saw it, because I do NOT want to spoil it for you, but I am sure that you can make an educated guess. 😉 It was on another channel ever so briefly. I cannot wait for the Official Reveal!!!
You're not lying about things being scarce and becoming even more scarce for remote places. Take a look at the Inuit towns of northern Quebec for example. There, you can get your hands on a bottle of fruit punch for 10.79 Canadian Dollars, a package of vanilla cookies for 18.29 Canadian Dollars, and a box of frozen chicken nuggets for get this...26.89 Canadian Dollars, *NEARLY THIRTY DOLLARS!* I'm not kidding, but why is it this way? Because everything is flown in on a Combi plane (as in a dual passenger-freight aircraft) since there are no roads connecting these places to the rest of Quebec, and so whatever is taken off that airplane is what you're stuck with. And it doesn't help when there's an economic crisis. And don't sweat it, it is okay to make and admit a mistake, we are humans after all. We're bound to because nobody's perfect
You gotta do the missile test, it's the most important one! Allow me to aim a missile at your new catamaran, and if it survives, then it's a _Wynn_ in our books. And it's very important to thank Scranton for being the Electric City. Make sure you stop by Cugino's for the tasty bread Self-reliance is important especially when you have nothing else to turn to, that's been our situation and we're still going strong
Who knew that the Supreme Leader has both a decent sense of humor and a fine taste for local Italian eateries in the Wyoming Valley? I credit his Swiss education.
For safety reasons, if you ever had to abandon the Cat, a gas tender will give you the range to possibly make it to land. Or, the speed to make it to shore if someone is injured.
Gas will also allow you to go multiple tanks worth of range. While it may be possible, it would be VERY difficult to bring solar panels. Charge controller, and enough batteries aboard the tender to accomplish the same on electric
Best test video’s ever. Love the fact you will be turning sailors onto electric motors. These technological break through will change sailors green, practical and future outlooks and our marinas forever!
Just out of curiosity lol no pun intended. How long does it take to charge each one of those, I don’t think I heard you guys mention it? How pricey is that jet boat. I really liked that one.
I like the small form factor electric motor for a kayak or canoe. That would be awesome. I got to say that zero jet seems to be the one if the smiles on your faces are any indication
I am always so pleased to welcome you guys into our home and was wondering how effective a hydrofoil configuration a bit like those boards you rode could be, then even that concept made a brief appearance!😃 Like all the others who say so I love what you do and how you do it so thanks very much guys, for providing some pleasantly anticipated and consistently interesting, entertaining brightness every week!👍
Have you seen the Clutha River there in New Zealand? Awesome! Consider taking a kayaking trip down the river before you next set sail. The one you were reviewing prior to and through 19 minutes was rather awesome! Keep in mind the following axiom, especially important for shorter-range electrics: You achieve your longest-range performance about 2-3 knots above the point where the gets up on a plane. Above that velocity, increases in velocity reduce your range. Some people think it follows the inverse-square law due to friction, but drag is a function of two elements. In aircraft, they're known as induced drag and parasitic drag. In boats, induced drag is called wave drag. Parasitic drag is pure friction and follows the inverse-square law. Wave drag, however, is somewhat different than it's aircraft counterpart, although for all practical purposes, you can assume it's linear while your boat is up on a plane.
I find it a no-brainer. I have both. The spirit 1.0 electric lives on the dinghy transom whenever we are close to shore, just hopping to the beach or dinghy dock. The 4-stroke gas gets mounted when we are in an area where we need to run further, say at Pig Beach then want to run to Staniel Cay or Thunderball, or exploring the lovely small archipelago's like Raja Ampat. Overall, the small electric gets more use, and pulling off the battery to charge from our solar/lithium house bank is easy.
That was some great information on the tenders. It is really helpful for you and these nice companies to put this stuff out there for all of us. More demos please.
I've developed an interest in Torqueedo, a german company that is doing some very interesting things with electric marine engines, both inboard and outboard, with outboards that currently go up to the equivalent of an 80 HP fuel motor! They also have portable solar panels to help recharge it during transits! 😊
I am wondering, how much of the desire for electric dinghy is for the show you produce? For the optics. If I were voyaging I would want range and weight capacity. Load one of these electrics down with a month or so of stuff to transport and I just don't see it.
I have had performance jet boats for 40 years and the concern about sad wearing down the wear ring is something to know but not a problem If you careful to throttle down when beaching. An occasional sucking up some sand is not a problem. I had one jet for 20 years without any repairs on the pump. It also would have to get pretty bad even if you did get some wear to impact performance to point of rebuild. With your needs, go with the jet. Somebody mentioned theft of the outboards . Good point!!
Zerojet will involve a lot of rowing if it breaks and you're in the back of beyond. Can you attach an outboard to it if needs be? With the other options you could easily. But ultimately Ill stick to combustion till e-outboards become more ubiquitous, are faster and the batteries have much better energy density.
I've had a Honda Aquatrax PWC jet that I rode for 400 hours over the years. I then transitioned to a Yamaha SX210 21' twin-jet boat. Jets have well defined advantages like super high reliability and low cost maintenance. The only downside is if you suck something up into the intake like seaweed, or a rope. They are also safe given there is no exposed propeller. It's been fun watching you test the dingys and now the electric motors.
Nice video and, in part, shows our experience with an e-outboard. For about four years now, we have had the E-propulsion spirit 1.0. Initially as an outboard for an 18-foot wooden sailboat, now as the outboard driving the tender of Slàinte, our Beneteau Oceanis 40. After switching from Gas to E, we were pleased to have eliminated the gas smell and noise. It's a dream to glide quietly up a tributary of the Chesapeake Bay in the early morning and watch wildlife without the noise of a gas engine. However, there are downsides, and you already named them. At some point, we wished to extend range and speed, but battery cost and system weight are outright prohibitives for our 310 Zodiac. There is another vital point to consider, especially for those looking forward to leaving "civilization" as you did in the past. If one of those modern electric motors fails, it will be hard to get them repaired, depending on where in the world that happens. Our E-Propulsion battery dropped on a wooden deck from a couple of inches, and the lower housing part broke (almost shattered in pieces). No replacement part was available from E-Propulsion, and repair was not considered an option; instead, we were suggested buying a whole new battery. Finally, we were lucky to buy a used part from a defective battery and repair it ourselves. If that had happened somewhere away from the beaten path, it would have rendered the motor unusable. We like our E-Propulsion, no question, but service and repairability are something to consider. Sorry for that lengthy comment...😔
Late to the episode & comments: The Motoskiff seems like an excellent option as a backup for _anyone_ cruising with a gas motor. You may need a hoist to yank the ICE motor off the dingy, but installing the lightweight electric would be so easy. I hope their production version is as impressive as the pre-pro you tested. Excellent video.
That jet drive was awesome,…. I was cracking up watching you guys doing the donuts. Hey, you’ve got time to save a little for it… your boats not ready yet. Go for it… you only live once, and it could end up having safety implications when & if you need to get somewhere quickly. It’s something to consider.
Yeah, for me personally, the only real dinghy option for electric would be at least a 5-10kw motor and with external batteries, which of course, increases the weight of the dinghy. Oddly, the smaller the craft, the harder it is to go electric if you want that gasoline level of performance and range. One creative option would be making a bimini with one or two flexible solar panels to act as a range extender, lol. If you made a point of getting as high efficiency as possible ($$) it might just mean the difference between go and no-go if you can fit a couple hundred watts on.
absolutely! PEROVSKITE solar cells are making flexible film a viable alternative performance and especially weight-wise. Soon available on the market and especially for Bimini's 😃.
We love our Highfield CL310 rigged with a Torqeedo Cruise 12 (25hp) outboard and two 5000 Wh batteries. Our range at a top speed of 15 mph is 25-30 miles and is well over 70 miles at 3-4 mph. We use our dinghy named “Wilson” for days between charges, which can be solar or from her mothership “MV Dolphin”, a 40’ hybrid electric off-grid cruiser.
That was one serious battery you were lugging around. Good way to throw out your back! You definitely have some considerations to make but the options were amazing!! Good luck with your choice! You definitely have done more than enough research! Hope you can make the best decision for yourselves without too much blood, sweat and tears!! Looking forward to the results!!
The ZeroJet is for me, the way to go. Especially if a spare battery is available, It's a no brainer. 15 K Boat & motor plus speed. The other ones are just big fishing motors.
That jetboat is awesome! Reminds me of our little Fling jetboat we have on the lake here in MN. You can do the same thing and 360 at high speed, we have yet to flip it, but try hard not to! 😆
Fantastic video! So cool to see all the options in action, I really like that MotoSkiff option as a auxiliary back up. We are going with ZeroJet, and it would be cool to have a custom bracket made so you could slap the Moto on in a pinch if something were to need repaired. What are your opinions on the larger battery bank option from ZeroJet? Is it necessary is the range good enough for cruising with the single battery? That foil option could be a game changer!
@@gonewiththewynns I’ve been chatting with Delcan for a while now and timing our order to be delivered to Balance in St. Francis for when our 526 Mk2 is completed in ‘24. Hoping that there are a couple of improvements in battery capacity between now and when we take delivery. Right now it’s roughly a 9 month delivery we are planning on. Only debate is if we go with the 2 battery system and live with the added weight. First world problems : )
@@kirkb3473 I placed an order from ZJ but I think the batteries are a bit weird. Heavier than necessary (I'd use NMC for a dinghy on davits; fire isn't as big a concern, it falls in the sea if it happens...) and they're 3-4x the $ of the rest of the market. Sure they have high rated amperage but they're not alone like this and SuperB is milking it with the 3-4x price. Batteries are largely a commodity now. Hence; Zerojet, yes. SuperB battery: really not sold. We have a Navy 3.0 with E80 on a Highfield 290CL right now and it's too heavy to be convenient, and I'll experiment making a custom NMC pack to replace the E80. That'll inform whether I order the ZJ with or without the SuperB packs.
@@AntoineGrondin very cool, thanks for the info Antoine. I’m thinking battery tech is going to rapidly advance over the next 5 years or so. Once solid state becomes a reality to consumers it’s going to make a huge difference in weight and range.
Hi @@AntoineGrondin we are glad to have you on board as our customer. If you have any questions regarding the battery, flick us an email at sales@zerojet.com :)
Thanks for showing this. My tender came with a Yamaha 6HP 4 Stroke. But between the tender and the engine its too heavy for me and I don't have a pulley lift. So I've gone with the epropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus. Plenty enough power for what we need and just as you show, I can carry it with one hand. I got the case and the back-pack for the battery to make transport and storage even easier. Appreciate all your videos!
Lifepo4 is safe as safe as can be. It’s the lithium Ion that can catch a light. Even then they shouldn’t, I think it’s mainly the way people install these things that can be scary.
The thing I get more concerned about is lightning. We kept our starter battery lead acid so it’s separate from and BMS that will turn your batteries off.
Big car companies cheap out for mass production. You can get quality batteries with controllers to match. Keep the charge between 20-80%, and have a fault meter on every cell with an auto disconnect for the banks if one is detected. Electrical systems will catch fire when abused, and different chemistries require different care. If it’s a phobia, you could install the batteries like a life raft under the hull with a quick disconnect and a temp system that auto-releases if a fire starts. Horrible for the oceans, but better than a whole boat being crisped.
@@monksuu Lithium batteries are capable of spontaneous ignition and subsequent explosion from overheating. Gas/Diesel is very stable. Gas/diesel is an accelerant, that helps spread the speed of a fire, but doesn't start a fire.
The only big downside to electric outboard s is range, they last a couple of hours at best where a gas can last 6-8 hours on a tank (runtime) And the batteries alone cost more than the gas outboard .
Keep in mind that the battery will in about 3 years be 50% of what it was. Also I like quiet and such but it is pretty nice electric if slow speed is fine. I would be afraid of going to dock for food and not having energy to get home. Also TEST the batteries for floating you will test this in real world even if you don't want to.
Using the same technology as our current electric cars they can expect about a 2.3%-4.2% loss each year in efficiency. That is of course dependent on how much they use it and their overall maintenance on the batteries themselves. If they follow the manufacturer's guidelines for maintenance and recharging they can bet on closer to the 2.3% loss. Even still you can chalk it up to the same kind of expenses they would incur over time from keeping up with fuel, oil, and maintenance of a gas powered tender.
Not with LiFePo4. None of these electric motor companies are using AGM’s anymore. Give it a year or two an no boat builder will be using AGM’s. LiGePo4 can go 100% to 5% 500 to 1500 cycles with only a 20% loss of capacity. With good management and not dropping below 30% you can get 6 years out of a battery. Relion makes a good battery but they are expensive.
@@Michael-dh2sw the battery tech is finally starting to snowball… like it should of 10 years ago. Solid state tech is just around the corner and capacity will increase 5 fold.
Glad you did this video I want to go all electric on my little boat as well. Currently it has just an old gas out board but I think I can probably come up with an electric that will do about the same and get away from gas all together. I could be in the middle of no were and always charge batteries. I think you have the right idea.
At this stage of the game, it would be extremely easy and inexpensive to ask the hull manufacturer to design more structurally robust davits! One never knows what needs the future might bring.
Lots of testing and 3 good possibilities to choose from. That really looks like a lot of fun to test the various skiffs and it looks like your criteria keeps you focused on what works for your new boat. However, from a purely looks-really-fun perspective, the ZeroJet testing looked like it got you to smile so much that it hurt. Looking forward to seeing what you end up with. BTW: We finally got our storage facility consolidation finished and are officially at our first campground that starts our 2+ year adventure being full-time in an RV. Staying in hotels from May 16th until July 6th got old quickly, not to mention it was awfully expensive. I wouldn't call us nomads, but we're finally free to move about based on our own discretion and interests for the first time in 37+ years of our married life. We're still looking for a RUclips name before we start filming our adventures.
Unfortunately right now, Electric motors can't come close to comparing to Gas Motors. Maybe one day in about 25 years. The Motorcycle industry is having the same issue, it all comes down to pretty much this, when electric can beat gas in distance, effectiveness, charge 100% as fast as a tank can be refilled, and be less expensive as gas, then people will see it as a viable option to gas. Until then, it's just great for stuff under 10 miles. I once listened to a representative of BMW say that unless an Electric motorcycle can do 1000 miles on a single charge, with an average speed of 100 mph, recharge in under 10 minuets to 100% and have a retail price the same as a comparable gas bike, it's not going to sell to 80% of customers. welcome to the world we live in.
Funny. I just read "1000 miles (!!) on a single charge" and "AVERAGE (!) of 100mph". Hahahaha. Wait. That's really what you're saying this guy said? We would someone say this?
@@Krumelur lol We asked him that as well, he said that, that was a benchmark that the industry was holding. I am a technician, what the CEO's and shareholders think is far different then the rest of us. personally I ride a 2011 HD Road King, for me I would not even look at an Electric bike that could not at the very least equal my bike. Depending on where I get fuel I can do between 285 and 310 miles per 5 gal tank. but for me it's an entire package deal. Range, total yearly cost, ect. I ride long trips, AZ to AK and the like. I like the idea of ele bikes and cars, but imo right now the technology is far to limited and cost prohibitive.
Watch electric destroy gas in the next few years - decade and it will do it for cheaper . It’s not a matter of if but when . Electric motors already slaughter gas motors . And it’s going to change reeally fast
The electric motors I’ve used couldn’t handle any serious weight in a dinghy going into any kind of noticeable current or wind. Trust me, you will regret it. Plus if it breaks down…. Good luck with that. Although combustion engines are dirty and require fuel and maintenance, those electric ones are going to let you down just like they let me down. They are weak and the batteries are very easily damaged
Makes no sense, electric motors will always out perform an mechanical engine. The problems was and still is fuel density; which affects the range. Fuel is more energy dense per kg than batteries. If you had such experience, then my guess is, it happened ages ago before recent lithium breakthrough, which means they had to use smaller motors with less torque and power in other to get some range.
@@Tr3xShad nope it happened two months ago with two different motors, but yes one was nix lithium ion but the other was less than a year old and current with the trends. On paper bla bla bla yes, they look great. These are not electric cars that have giant batteries that alone cost more than a used car. These are small portable little cute green toys. For horse power and reliability in real life conditions where shit can get hectic, I need fire. Not a cute little busy bee. If it’s just a calm Marina or calm Anchorage I’d go with the electric. But in Hawaii on the Pacific Ocean haha shit gets real and real fast.
the nice thing about an outboard- its universal around the world. have problems with a one off custom electric craft- well it won't be fun tracking down parts/repair on the wrong side of the ocean.
I totally get the fact that you’re trying to use less fossil fuels. But the more I look into Solar, batteries and electric engines the more I realize that they’re taking a lot of fossil fuels to make. And then there’s the battery itself. What do you do with it when you’re done? When you turn it in for another battery, what do they do with it? After researching all this I realized. There’s not much of a difference when it comes to the environment. In fact, I would say fossil fuels are better for the environment. You just have to pile up all the information that you can get on both sides of the debate and decide for yourself. One thing great about electric is when you’re out in the middle of nowhere, you have solar to charge your batteries. That’s a good thing. But the bottom line is, for me I think I’m going to stay on the conventional engine side. It just seems to be better for the environment in the long run. Sooner or later our dumps will be full and will realize our mistakes. Let’s face it, plastics can only be recycled two times. With batteries, you have all the chemicals stacked up in there. Lead. Mercury. I remember back in school when I was studying Solar. I thought it was going to be this revolution and happen immediately. The truth is, we’re far, far, far away from having 100% solar.And it’s not a clean energy.
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I haven't done the research on boat motors, but for electric cars and light trucks, the emissions are substantially less than petroleum based fuels when doing a cradle to grave lifecycle analysis. Depending on the energy source mix for your grid, on average, at about 50% of the vehicle life (6 years) the electric vehicle environmental performance begins to exceed that of ICE vehicles. Lithium ion batteries are recyclable, but before that, they can be refurbished and/or repurposed for applications where size/weight to energy ratios are less critical (e.g. home power systems or grid backup). Neither reuse or recycling were taken into consideration when doing the emission comparison with ICE vehicles, so it only gets better. As for solar, the technology is getting better year over year. More and more production facilities are using their own technology to power their equipment. They are also nearly fully recyclable. Most of the time when you hear that ICE vehicles have better environmental performance, it's either propaganda or they are using old data.
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Wow, that last one was amazing. Can't believe how fast it goes with electric propulsion. That was definitely the coolest, with the jet drive.
Try a jet ski. Hold on tight.
@@markbernier8434 Jet ski’s aren’t electric are they?
@@artat777 No, but they are a charge and a half. You heard Nikki screaming at 10 knots. Try that at 50.
@@artat777 Taiga makes a model called the Orca and it's an all electric jet ski.
Jet drive for sure with upgraded battery potential that's the winning ticket right there
We purchased an electric car in 2021. We will never own another gas powered vehicle. Maintenance is basically zero
Performance is awesome and charging time on a long trip averaging about 20 minutes for every 2 hours of driving. We usually charge at home for around one dollar a day for my wife’s commute. Electric is the right choice for us.
Love your channel
I prefer hybrid. I have owned a toyota prius and bmw i3 with range extender. I prefer the prius because I like the convenience of having a gas station everywhere while charging stations are rather scarce and even if you do find one, they are either occupied, not maintained, someone is parked there inexplicably, or cost too much money. I cant drive outside my state with my electric car but with my prius, I can drive two states away on a single tank of gas.
I recently made a similar conversion from a heavy RIB + petrol o/b to a lighter catamaran dinghy (True Kit 3m) + electric o/b (ePropulsion Spirit). Love it. Range anxiety is more significant than range limitation itself. Also bought the solar charging panel. Have kept my petrol o/b as a temporary measure ‘just in case’ but haven’t used it the entire season.
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You two are amazing in being able to line up these options to test. That must have taken a lot of time to arrange. Congratulations on a very informative video, as you always do.
Wow! Thanks for sharing! Like #11. It is a jet boat so you don't have the depth of a prop motor. FUN!
When we were cruising in our trawler we carried two motors…a 15 HP Yamaha and a 3 HP. The small motor was our “harbor” motor. Light weight, easy on and off and we used it traveling the ICW. Unfortunately this was before Torqueedo. In the Bahamas and the Keys we mounted the 15 HP for speed and range for trips to the reefs and going to town. Something to consider.
Agree -- most of the time, use electric. In the event they need to make a long trip (like they did in the Bahamas), use the gas.
Redundancy as well.
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If you are basing your decision on “smiles per watt” I would say the jet propulsion was your favorite. I also think that’s it’s ability to run in shallower water, faster top speed, and the ability to run from danger/weather makes it a good option.
and don't forget that with a jet, there's no spinning propeller or other moving parts under the water, so for a diver, this is a huge plus too, from a safety point of view.
Sure has my vote!
All good arguments for sure. But I would point out the relative fragility of a jet drive. They have wear items like wear rings, and it can be difficult to clear debris that gets lodged in the intake or impeller. Impellers are also precision items, which means you can't get one that isn't perfect in a remote location and deal with the imperfection, but on a traditional drive if the available prop isn't quite the same as the old one you can still make it work. Also not being able to pull the drive leg and take it somewhere for service is another maintenance drawback. I think where I live in the US I would love that jet tender, but I'm not sure I'd want to take it anywhere remote and rely on it at all.
@@JheregJAB eh, The impeller in my 200 hp supercharged Sea-Doo from 2006 has never been changed is rusty as and so is the drive shaft haven’t changed the wear ring in years Rarely pick up any debris and I definitely run through a lot of seaweed and still does the factory top speed of 70 miles an hour like a champ
Think it's decided. OC with the Zerojet for sure
Lol, my face was hurting from smiling and laughing so much when you were testing that Zero Jet. Then when you said it’s no longer a need it’s a want because it’s so coooool!
If you want help deciding, remember he can’t put a price on happiness!
One thing that the Zerojet has over all the other options you looked at is its battery chemistry. It has LiFePo4 cells, not NMC like the others. NMC cells have only a fraction of the life span of LiFePo4 and even more important on a boat is the safety issue. If something goes wrong with NMC cells, then you have a huge problem on your hands.
The ePropulsion uses LFP too, hence why they're so heavy versus the Motoskiff's NMC.
lipo's can also do bad things if youre not careful. still the better battery but not quite there yet.
@@pezpengy9308 LiFePo4 aren't lipo's...
Electric engine is ten hours charge time, for two to three hours max use time, even with solar. You need AT LEAST one spare battery. I just got Torqueedo 1103CL - good in calm water which is not common in good sailing weather! - but its great to start and be sure it will start!!!!
The best part about the electric jet drive is that you can flip the boat up on its side or upside down for storage and not have to worry about taking the gas engine off. The best part is no part. I love the concept and the tender. And with all that solar from the cat to boot... The initial cost might seem high now, but think of all the money and headaches you'll save. One less thing to worry about.
I would go with a hybrid option. Gasoline outboard for high speed long-distance runs. Electric outboard for short trips to the beach or the dock. If the gasoline outboard fails to start you have the electric outboard as a back up.
but ya gotta carry both... :-(
They're trying to keep gas OFF the boat, though, so that they only need diesel for the boat backup generator.
Extra batteries for longer trips. If it were me, I'd carry a backup motor on the HH44 rather than a gas outboard as a backup. It'd be great if the same battery model and form factor were used for both the HH44 and the tender
We went electric a couple of years ago and would never go back. After a false start with an electric outboard that wasn’t any good we found the ePropulsion Spirt Evo and it’s been amazing for the last 18 months. We got it when we were in Venice which was good as a lot of areas are starting to ban petrol engines (I’m sure there will be more of that around the world, something to bear in mind) we had a problem with it in Turkey this year but they fixed it within a week, they have brilliant worldwide service ( they actually sent us a new unit!) something else to bear in mind. Loving the OC dinghy and that amazing jet pack, exciting times! Great review guys.
What fun! ... and to be able to test the hardware for YOUR needs is PRICELESS!
get the zerojet for long range and the motoskiff is so light you can stow it for backup.
The Jet drive looks like so much fun!
You probably already thought about this. Is there a marine grade portable solar charger to take with the dinghy? You could let it charge while you’re on shore
e propulsion have a solar panel option, I think !! at 3 knots its almost even input output, great for fishing during the day
Seems like waiting for the hydrofoil would make sense since you probably have a year or two to wait on the new boat. Also investigating if the 440 lbs weight limit can be raised would make sense or figure using your boom to lift a second battery pack that you would only load if you were going on an extended range trip.
What an awesome test series- and, really relevant to the times. I'm NOT surprised at how few choices there are and the weight cost of ever increasing reserves- but, it's really nice to 'see it' in real life- working, running and providing service. Even though LiFePO4 is the best thing since sliced bread- it's NOT the answer to our dreams...yet!
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WOW that Zero jet looked amazing , 20Kts & the hydra foil option looked so cool , Lov to see a test on that one , Thanks .
Thanks Bill :D
You were both smiling ear to ear the WHOLE TIME you were in the zerojet.... That motor on that OC is a winning combo! What a perfect dinghy, especially if you can hot swap a "get home"/"limp home" backup battery...
The zerojet looked like a good option, but as others have commented, impellers can get damaged pretty easily. Check on availability of replacement wear rings and impellers as you will become very familiar with changing them out.
That ZeroJet is similar in speed/maneuverability to our Yamaha jetski/wave-runner (had it going about 70mph/113kmph this past week on a lake in northern Wisconsin only our machine is gas powered)! That battery speed though, was super fast!! And looked SOOO FUNNN!!! Loved the comparison of all the motors. Nikki- "My cheeks are starting to hurt!" (from smiling so much!) 🤩👍
The jet looks like a blast!
Bad thing about jet impellers are high wear parts that need to be replaced more often as a bit of wear with significantly decrease your efficiency and thus range...from what I'm told.
Priceless reaction!! LOVE IT!! We are so glad you got to experience the 360s :D
Any plans to bring down battery weight? Cool concept but at 50% more weight than an old torqueedo battery and about 30% more weight than a hot-swappable avator battery it adds up.
I vote for the Zero Jet : ) Recharge time will be of interest. The beauty of electric is that you will not need to store gas cans (that are a fire hazard) and with your HH44 electric infrastructure you have free solar power for unlimited use of your new Zero Jet.
the new ship will still have a diesel generator, which means that it will also have diesel on board
If they have 3kW of solar and if they have the 10kWh battery then charging from. ~0 to 100% will take 3hours. 5kWh of solar 2hours. A 240v standard wall socket (international standard socket) ~4h 15min. A weak 110 10 amp USA socket ~9 hours.
Exactly, keeping gasoline (petrol) off the vessel would be amazing.
Indeed. No hauling and filling cans or the constant worry about spillage.
@@tihomirrasperic I thought they ditched the generator because of the high solar output and large battery bank?
The Zerojet looks like a blast, Plus there's no out drive hanging below the bottom of the boat.
Some very cool options there. The zerojet looks like a hoot. Problem is, you folks beach your tender a lot. With no way to cover the intake, you end up sucking a lot of sand through your jet impeller. Though it is intended to be beached, having run a jet into shallow beaches a ton, I just see maintenance headaches ahead. Hint: when you kick it sideways, do a half-reverse on the deflector bucket, it will keep the rotation going. :-)
Agree: Salad shooters (jets) are fun, but not particularly reliable and beaches are their nemesis.
also wonder how they do with alot of seaweed in the water.
The worst thing thing that happens to a jet driven boat is a lily pad. Haven't seen you both go through a lily pond lately.
@@halburtonwarrington-minge3434 mulch floating in the water is a fun time as well, speaking from experience ☺️
OMG lilly pad pond...i can picture it in my head us tearing through and frogs jumping out of the way 🤣
Thanks Nikki and Jason for this! We are currently researching for a tender and electric engine without the ability to get our hands on some of these new ones out there to try. This is immensely helpful.
Don't normally comment but I appreciated this 2 part series. I have been intrigued by the OC tender and the idea of an electric power system. You did a fine job of displaying the different options. Thank you.
thank you for taking electric dinghy propulsion off my to do/consider list. As I expected we are years away from e-solutions.
I've been using an epropultion spirit 1 on a wooden dinghy (seahopper scamp) for a couple seasons as a full time live aboard on a fully electric monohull. It has been great, so much better.
We have the ePro Spirit 1.0 plus. We love that thing. It pushed our 5k pound sailboat just fine. It did well in the wind and current although those conditions drained the battery more. We also would use it on the dinghy .
Is the jet more anti-theft since it’s built into the boat? Could be a big plus. 🤔. Hate to spend so much on electric drive just to have it stolen.
Zerojet! For sure! I would take fun everytime. That thing looked awesome.
Amazing that you got to test all those prototypes, super fun to watch and does indeed make me hopeful that my future tender will be electric! Thanks so much for making these videos guys!
I have been staring at your problem for almost 2 years now. Here is what I came up with. Carry 2 motors, lots do this anyway...a gaser for longer trips that you need to carry lots of gear, and an electric for the shorter in and out trips. I picked up a used merc 20hp for reasonable. Now I need to find an electric.
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I'm a zerojet fan! Fun and practical✌️💜
I saw the your NEW boat!! She is beautiful and I absolutely love her color!! I will NOT say how I saw it, because I do NOT want to spoil it for you, but I am sure that you can make an educated guess. 😉 It was on another channel ever so briefly. I cannot wait for the Official Reveal!!!
That looked like a lot of fun and I learned a lot also. Thank you for sharing
That jet dinghy looked like fun! Hope to see more of that foiling dinghy
You're not lying about things being scarce and becoming even more scarce for remote places. Take a look at the Inuit towns of northern Quebec for example. There, you can get your hands on a bottle of fruit punch for 10.79 Canadian Dollars, a package of vanilla cookies for 18.29 Canadian Dollars, and a box of frozen chicken nuggets for get this...26.89 Canadian Dollars, *NEARLY THIRTY DOLLARS!* I'm not kidding, but why is it this way? Because everything is flown in on a Combi plane (as in a dual passenger-freight aircraft) since there are no roads connecting these places to the rest of Quebec, and so whatever is taken off that airplane is what you're stuck with. And it doesn't help when there's an economic crisis.
And don't sweat it, it is okay to make and admit a mistake, we are humans after all. We're bound to because nobody's perfect
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You gotta do the missile test, it's the most important one! Allow me to aim a missile at your new catamaran, and if it survives, then it's a _Wynn_ in our books. And it's very important to thank Scranton for being the Electric City. Make sure you stop by Cugino's for the tasty bread
Self-reliance is important especially when you have nothing else to turn to, that's been our situation and we're still going strong
Who knew that the Supreme Leader has both a decent sense of humor and a fine taste for local Italian eateries in the Wyoming Valley? I credit his Swiss education.
Zerojet! You won’t regret it! Great for everyday but also in emergencies. Always keep that in mind as well.
The jet boat did bring a smile to both of your faces.... Can you really put a price on that?
It seems like the ultimate adventure vehicle :P
I totally think you should get the last one. It looked like both of you were having so much fun.
For safety reasons, if you ever had to abandon the Cat, a gas tender will give you the range to possibly make it to land. Or, the speed to make it to shore if someone is injured.
Gas will also allow you to go multiple tanks worth of range. While it may be possible, it would be VERY difficult to bring solar panels. Charge controller, and enough batteries aboard the tender to accomplish the same on electric
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Best test video’s ever. Love the fact you will be turning sailors onto electric motors. These technological break through will change sailors green, practical and future outlooks and our marinas forever!
Just out of curiosity lol no pun intended. How long does it take to charge each one of those, I don’t think I heard you guys mention it? How pricey is that jet boat. I really liked that one.
To be honest i doubt the charging will pose too much of a problem as the the boat will spend a lot of its time on charge from their new solar system.
@@hogwild5844 the Torqueedo is 10 hours - most batteries are as they charge 10% per hour optimally. You need spare batteries.
Jet boat was 18k
@Graham Cook indeed
@Graham Cook That will be a long wait til spring down under.
I like the small form factor electric motor for a kayak or canoe. That would be awesome.
I got to say that zero jet seems to be the one if the smiles on your faces are any indication
I am always so pleased to welcome you guys into our home and was wondering how effective a hydrofoil configuration a bit like those boards you rode could be, then even that concept made a brief appearance!😃
Like all the others who say so I love what you do and how you do it so thanks very much guys, for providing some pleasantly anticipated and consistently interesting, entertaining brightness every week!👍
That Zerojet looked pretty sweet
Keep one very important thing in mind... The "dingy/car" is also your last line of defense to pull or push your boat around in case of emergencies.
They have 2 electric high brid diesels man and several sails man.
For thousands of years all people had were sails, I think they’ll be fine
They are well equipped/getting there, but you miss the point: emergencies happen.
It’s a good modern technique that can save boats and lives.
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Have you seen the Clutha River there in New Zealand? Awesome! Consider taking a kayaking trip down the river before you next set sail.
The one you were reviewing prior to and through 19 minutes was rather awesome! Keep in mind the following axiom, especially important for shorter-range electrics: You achieve your longest-range performance about 2-3 knots above the point where the gets up on a plane. Above that velocity, increases in velocity reduce your range. Some people think it follows the inverse-square law due to friction, but drag is a function of two elements. In aircraft, they're known as induced drag and parasitic drag. In boats, induced drag is called wave drag. Parasitic drag is pure friction and follows the inverse-square law. Wave drag, however, is somewhat different than it's aircraft counterpart, although for all practical purposes, you can assume it's linear while your boat is up on a plane.
Zerojet takes the game to another dimension. You just have to get it. It will pay itself off, no doubt.
I find it a no-brainer. I have both. The spirit 1.0 electric lives on the dinghy transom whenever we are close to shore, just hopping to the beach or dinghy dock. The 4-stroke gas gets mounted when we are in an area where we need to run further, say at Pig Beach then want to run to Staniel Cay or Thunderball, or exploring the lovely small archipelago's like Raja Ampat. Overall, the small electric gets more use, and pulling off the battery to charge from our solar/lithium house bank is easy.
Not only is the jet fast,no engine off the back that someone could walk away with. The jet also gets points for cool factor
And it won't get banged up on rocks or wrap up a mooring line.
Skimming over shallow reefs a major plus
That was some great information on the tenders. It is really helpful for you and these nice companies to put this stuff out there for all of us. More demos please.
wow, the zero jet looks impressive
I've developed an interest in Torqueedo, a german company that is doing some very interesting things with electric marine engines, both inboard and outboard, with outboards that currently go up to the equivalent of an 80 HP fuel motor! They also have portable solar panels to help recharge it during transits! 😊
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I am wondering, how much of the desire for electric dinghy is for the show you produce? For the optics. If I were voyaging I would want range and weight capacity. Load one of these electrics down with a month or so of stuff to transport and I just don't see it.
Agreed, the specifications don't meet the performance requirements.
I have had performance jet boats for 40 years and the concern about sad wearing down the wear ring is something to know but not a problem If you careful to throttle down when beaching. An occasional sucking up some sand is not a problem. I had one jet for 20 years without any repairs on the pump. It also would have to get pretty bad even if you did get some wear to impact performance to point of rebuild. With your needs, go with the jet. Somebody mentioned theft of the outboards . Good point!!
Can already picture the zero jet hanging on the new boat
I really really like the flat sides of that dinghy a lot. It's so cool that they let you test so many. Love that.
Zerojet will involve a lot of rowing if it breaks and you're in the back of beyond. Can you attach an outboard to it if needs be? With the other options you could easily. But ultimately Ill stick to combustion till e-outboards become more ubiquitous, are faster and the batteries have much better energy density.
I've had a Honda Aquatrax PWC jet that I rode for 400 hours over the years. I then transitioned to a Yamaha SX210 21' twin-jet boat. Jets have well defined advantages like super high reliability and low cost maintenance. The only downside is if you suck something up into the intake like seaweed, or a rope. They are also safe given there is no exposed propeller.
It's been fun watching you test the dingys and now the electric motors.
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I like the jet drive dingy the best. It seems the most practical.
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Nice video and, in part, shows our experience with an e-outboard.
For about four years now, we have had the E-propulsion spirit 1.0. Initially as an outboard for an 18-foot wooden sailboat, now as the outboard driving the tender of Slàinte, our Beneteau Oceanis 40.
After switching from Gas to E, we were pleased to have eliminated the gas smell and noise. It's a dream to glide quietly up a tributary of the Chesapeake Bay in the early morning and watch wildlife without the noise of a gas engine.
However, there are downsides, and you already named them. At some point, we wished to extend range and speed, but battery cost and system weight are outright prohibitives for our 310 Zodiac.
There is another vital point to consider, especially for those looking forward to leaving "civilization" as you did in the past. If one of those modern electric motors fails, it will be hard to get them repaired, depending on where in the world that happens.
Our E-Propulsion battery dropped on a wooden deck from a couple of inches, and the lower housing part broke (almost shattered in pieces). No replacement part was available from E-Propulsion, and repair was not considered an option; instead, we were suggested buying a whole new battery. Finally, we were lucky to buy a used part from a defective battery and repair it ourselves. If that had happened somewhere away from the beaten path, it would have rendered the motor unusable. We like our E-Propulsion, no question, but service and repairability are something to consider. Sorry for that lengthy comment...😔
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Late to the episode & comments: The Motoskiff seems like an excellent option as a backup for _anyone_ cruising with a gas motor. You may need a hoist to yank the ICE motor off the dingy, but installing the lightweight electric would be so easy. I hope their production version is as impressive as the pre-pro you tested. Excellent video.
You deserve the Zerojet What an amazing toy/tender.
That jet drive was awesome,…. I was cracking up watching you guys doing the donuts. Hey, you’ve got time to save a little for it… your boats not ready yet. Go for it… you only live once, and it could end up having safety implications when & if you need to get somewhere quickly. It’s something to consider.
Yeah, for me personally, the only real dinghy option for electric would be at least a 5-10kw motor and with external batteries, which of course, increases the weight of the dinghy. Oddly, the smaller the craft, the harder it is to go electric if you want that gasoline level of performance and range. One creative option would be making a bimini with one or two flexible solar panels to act as a range extender, lol. If you made a point of getting as high efficiency as possible ($$) it might just mean the difference between go and no-go if you can fit a couple hundred watts on.
absolutely! PEROVSKITE solar cells are making flexible film a viable alternative performance and especially weight-wise. Soon available on the market and especially for Bimini's 😃.
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We love our Highfield CL310 rigged with a Torqeedo Cruise 12 (25hp) outboard and two 5000 Wh batteries. Our range at a top speed of 15 mph is 25-30 miles and is well over 70 miles at 3-4 mph. We use our dinghy named “Wilson” for days between charges, which can be solar or from her mothership “MV Dolphin”, a 40’ hybrid electric off-grid cruiser.
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Wow the jet engine is super impressive that is an electric engine I'd definitely consider
That was one serious battery you were lugging around. Good way to throw out your back! You definitely have some considerations to make but the options were amazing!! Good luck with your choice! You definitely have done more than enough research! Hope you can make the best decision for yourselves without too much blood, sweat and tears!! Looking forward to the results!!
Can there be any doubt - the ZeroJet is the way to go.
The ZeroJet is for me, the way to go. Especially if a spare battery is available, It's a no brainer. 15 K Boat & motor plus speed. The other ones are just big fishing motors.
That jetboat is awesome! Reminds me of our little Fling jetboat we have on the lake here in MN. You can do the same thing and 360 at high speed, we have yet to flip it, but try hard not to! 😆
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That Zerojet looked way too fun :)
Fantastic video! So cool to see all the options in action, I really like that MotoSkiff option as a auxiliary back up. We are going with ZeroJet, and it would be cool to have a custom bracket made so you could slap the Moto on in a pinch if something were to need repaired. What are your opinions on the larger battery bank option from ZeroJet? Is it necessary is the range good enough for cruising with the single battery? That foil option could be a game changer!
Right on! You've already ordered a ZJ? We had the 2 battery system and it is necessary if you want to go the distance :)
@@gonewiththewynns I’ve been chatting with Delcan for a while now and timing our order to be delivered to Balance in St. Francis for when our 526 Mk2 is completed in ‘24. Hoping that there are a couple of improvements in battery capacity between now and when we take delivery. Right now it’s roughly a 9 month delivery we are planning on. Only debate is if we go with the 2 battery system and live with the added weight. First world problems : )
@@kirkb3473 I placed an order from ZJ but I think the batteries are a bit weird. Heavier than necessary (I'd use NMC for a dinghy on davits; fire isn't as big a concern, it falls in the sea if it happens...) and they're 3-4x the $ of the rest of the market. Sure they have high rated amperage but they're not alone like this and SuperB is milking it with the 3-4x price. Batteries are largely a commodity now.
Hence; Zerojet, yes. SuperB battery: really not sold.
We have a Navy 3.0 with E80 on a Highfield 290CL right now and it's too heavy to be convenient, and I'll experiment making a custom NMC pack to replace the E80. That'll inform whether I order the ZJ with or without the SuperB packs.
@@AntoineGrondin very cool, thanks for the info Antoine. I’m thinking battery tech is going to rapidly advance over the next 5 years or so. Once solid state becomes a reality to consumers it’s going to make a huge difference in weight and range.
Hi @@AntoineGrondin we are glad to have you on board as our customer. If you have any questions regarding the battery, flick us an email at sales@zerojet.com :)
Thanks for showing this. My tender came with a Yamaha 6HP 4 Stroke. But between the tender and the engine its too heavy for me and I don't have a pulley lift. So I've gone with the epropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus. Plenty enough power for what we need and just as you show, I can carry it with one hand. I got the case and the back-pack for the battery to make transport and storage even easier. Appreciate all your videos!
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The only thing I don't like about going 100% Electric is lithium batteries sometimes catches on fire would hate to be at sea and catch on fire!
Lifepo4 is safe as safe as can be. It’s the lithium Ion that can catch a light. Even then they shouldn’t, I think it’s mainly the way people install these things that can be scary.
The thing I get more concerned about is lightning. We kept our starter battery lead acid so it’s separate from and BMS that will turn your batteries off.
Big car companies cheap out for mass production. You can get quality batteries with controllers to match. Keep the charge between 20-80%, and have a fault meter on every cell with an auto disconnect for the banks if one is detected. Electrical systems will catch fire when abused, and different chemistries require different care.
If it’s a phobia, you could install the batteries like a life raft under the hull with a quick disconnect and a temp system that auto-releases if a fire starts. Horrible for the oceans, but better than a whole boat being crisped.
I thought that gasoline/diesel was more flammable than lithium batteries. ;)
@@monksuu Lithium batteries are capable of spontaneous ignition and subsequent explosion from overheating. Gas/Diesel is very stable. Gas/diesel is an accelerant, that helps spread the speed of a fire, but doesn't start a fire.
I must say, it's amazingly silent, I love your choice.
The only big downside to electric outboard s is range, they last a couple of hours at best where a gas can last 6-8 hours on a tank (runtime)
And the batteries alone cost more than the gas outboard .
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Keep in mind that the battery will in about 3 years be 50% of what it was. Also I like quiet and such but it is pretty nice electric if slow speed is fine. I would be afraid of going to dock for food and not having energy to get home. Also TEST the batteries for floating you will test this in real world even if you don't want to.
Using the same technology as our current electric cars they can expect about a 2.3%-4.2% loss each year in efficiency. That is of course dependent on how much they use it and their overall maintenance on the batteries themselves. If they follow the manufacturer's guidelines for maintenance and recharging they can bet on closer to the 2.3% loss. Even still you can chalk it up to the same kind of expenses they would incur over time from keeping up with fuel, oil, and maintenance of a gas powered tender.
Not with LiFePo4. None of these electric motor companies are using AGM’s anymore. Give it a year or two an no boat builder will be using AGM’s. LiGePo4 can go 100% to 5% 500 to 1500 cycles with only a 20% loss of capacity. With good management and not dropping below 30% you can get 6 years out of a battery. Relion makes a good battery but they are expensive.
The ePropulsion guarantees 3000 cycles at 80%. Usually this kind of battery will perform even better, if treated with care.
@@Michael-dh2sw the battery tech is finally starting to snowball… like it should of 10 years ago. Solid state tech is just around the corner and capacity will increase 5 fold.
Glad you did this video I want to go all electric on my little boat as well. Currently it has just an old gas out board but I think I can probably come up with an electric that will do about the same and get away from gas all together. I could be in the middle of no were and always charge batteries. I think you have the right idea.
At this stage of the game, it would be extremely easy and inexpensive to ask the hull manufacturer to design more structurally robust davits! One never knows what needs the future might bring.
Lots of testing and 3 good possibilities to choose from. That really looks like a lot of fun to test the various skiffs and it looks like your criteria keeps you focused on what works for your new boat. However, from a purely looks-really-fun perspective, the ZeroJet testing looked like it got you to smile so much that it hurt. Looking forward to seeing what you end up with. BTW: We finally got our storage facility consolidation finished and are officially at our first campground that starts our 2+ year adventure being full-time in an RV. Staying in hotels from May 16th until July 6th got old quickly, not to mention it was awfully expensive. I wouldn't call us nomads, but we're finally free to move about based on our own discretion and interests for the first time in 37+ years of our married life. We're still looking for a RUclips name before we start filming our adventures.
Unfortunately right now, Electric motors can't come close to comparing to Gas Motors. Maybe one day in about 25 years. The Motorcycle industry is having the same issue, it all comes down to pretty much this, when electric can beat gas in distance, effectiveness, charge 100% as fast as a tank can be refilled, and be less expensive as gas, then people will see it as a viable option to gas. Until then, it's just great for stuff under 10 miles. I once listened to a representative of BMW say that unless an Electric motorcycle can do 1000 miles on a single charge, with an average speed of 100 mph, recharge in under 10 minuets to 100% and have a retail price the same as a comparable gas bike, it's not going to sell to 80% of customers. welcome to the world we live in.
I don't think innovation will take 25 yrs they can make 2 man drones now.
@@cherylsibson2529 Don't forget to add the time the oil companies will add to R & D, It will be drawn out as long as they can milk it.
Funny. I just read "1000 miles (!!) on a single charge" and "AVERAGE (!) of 100mph". Hahahaha. Wait. That's really what you're saying this guy said? We would someone say this?
@@Krumelur lol We asked him that as well, he said that, that was a benchmark that the industry was holding. I am a technician, what the CEO's and shareholders think is far different then the rest of us. personally I ride a 2011 HD Road King, for me I would not even look at an Electric bike that could not at the very least equal my bike. Depending on where I get fuel I can do between 285 and 310 miles per 5 gal tank. but for me it's an entire package deal. Range, total yearly cost, ect. I ride long trips, AZ to AK and the like. I like the idea of ele bikes and cars, but imo right now the technology is far to limited and cost prohibitive.
Watch electric destroy gas in the next few years - decade and it will do it for cheaper . It’s not a matter of if but when . Electric motors already slaughter gas motors . And it’s going to change reeally fast
The water jet engine is also a New Zealand invention. Check out the Hamilton Jet story, the amazing tenacity of a back country farmer.
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The electric motors I’ve used couldn’t handle any serious weight in a dinghy going into any kind of noticeable current or wind. Trust me, you will regret it. Plus if it breaks down…. Good luck with that. Although combustion engines are dirty and require fuel and maintenance, those electric ones are going to let you down just like they let me down. They are weak and the batteries are very easily damaged
Makes no sense, electric motors will always out perform an mechanical engine. The problems was and still is fuel density; which affects the range. Fuel is more energy dense per kg than batteries. If you had such experience, then my guess is, it happened ages ago before recent lithium breakthrough, which means they had to use smaller motors with less torque and power in other to get some range.
@@Tr3xShad nope it happened two months ago with two different motors, but yes one was nix lithium ion but the other was less than a year old and current with the trends. On paper bla bla bla yes, they look great. These are not electric cars that have giant batteries that alone cost more than a used car. These are small portable little cute green toys. For horse power and reliability in real life conditions where shit can get hectic, I need fire. Not a cute little busy bee. If it’s just a calm Marina or calm Anchorage I’d go with the electric. But in Hawaii on the Pacific Ocean haha shit gets real and real fast.
the nice thing about an outboard- its universal around the world. have problems with a one off custom electric craft- well it won't be fun tracking down parts/repair on the wrong side of the ocean.
I totally get the fact that you’re trying to use less fossil fuels. But the more I look into Solar, batteries and electric engines the more I realize that they’re taking a lot of fossil fuels to make. And then there’s the battery itself. What do you do with it when you’re done? When you turn it in for another battery, what do they do with it? After researching all this I realized. There’s not much of a difference when it comes to the environment. In fact, I would say fossil fuels are better for the environment. You just have to pile up all the information that you can get on both sides of the debate and decide for yourself. One thing great about electric is when you’re out in the middle of nowhere, you have solar to charge your batteries. That’s a good thing. But the bottom line is, for me I think I’m going to stay on the conventional engine side. It just seems to be better for the environment in the long run. Sooner or later our dumps will be full and will realize our mistakes. Let’s face it, plastics can only be recycled two times. With batteries, you have all the chemicals stacked up in there. Lead. Mercury. I remember back in school when I was studying Solar. I thought it was going to be this revolution and happen immediately. The truth is, we’re far, far, far away from having 100% solar.And it’s not a clean energy.
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Lithium batteries are easy to recycle, solar panels can be, electric engines can also be just like conventional.
@@dester3275 you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re just talking. You should really do your own research. You can figure things out better than some liberal telling you a line of crap that just isn’t true. ruclips.net/video/6w78-aSTIDY/видео.html
I haven't done the research on boat motors, but for electric cars and light trucks, the emissions are substantially less than petroleum based fuels when doing a cradle to grave lifecycle analysis. Depending on the energy source mix for your grid, on average, at about 50% of the vehicle life (6 years) the electric vehicle environmental performance begins to exceed that of ICE vehicles.
Lithium ion batteries are recyclable, but before that, they can be refurbished and/or repurposed for applications where size/weight to energy ratios are less critical (e.g. home power systems or grid backup). Neither reuse or recycling were taken into consideration when doing the emission comparison with ICE vehicles, so it only gets better.
As for solar, the technology is getting better year over year. More and more production facilities are using their own technology to power their equipment. They are also nearly fully recyclable.
Most of the time when you hear that ICE vehicles have better environmental performance, it's either propaganda or they are using old data.
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Wow, the zerojet boat option seems like a winner.
Blah blah blah blah blah you will go with the company that sends you a free one, we know how it is 🙄🙄
I’ve watched you for several years. You get along so well, I bet you never fight.