Build your own 36v lithium or price out aftermarket and get the NT300 - love mine and have had zero issues this season. I actually like the noise, it sounds like a four stroke at times.
Bought a Spirit a few years ago, very happy with it after 40 plus years of having internal combustion 2 and 4 strokes. Super quiet, good range and totally reliable. Most importantly finally an outboard that my wife likes to use. Will probably never buy a small OB that's not electric. Looking for a larger electric OB (around 15 to 20 hp)now for our larger tender as we mostly only use the little electric these days.
Great video Anthony. Thank you! I’ve been shopping these for a while now, doing homework and have been ready to pull the trigger. Only thing stopping me is some technical details I need to confirm so that i can rest assured knowing this purchase will work reliably for my application. Sadly, it’s been IMPOSSIBLE to get on a simple tech call / or learn detailed info via email from any of these brands featured. I tried repeatedly, attempting with all 3 of the outboards you featured and finally have thrown my hands up in the air. End result= all 3 have garbage tech customer service. My last effort will be this coming week at the Ft Lauderdale boat show where I will press these folks in person. Wish me luck and thanks again! Keep putting out this great content 👊🏼, cheers from Florida!
I've been a spirit owner for a couple of years now and love it. It replaced a very noisy 2HP 4 stroke Honda. Runtime on a full battery is better than a full integrated tank of gas on the Honda, but the big difference is how light it is and that the battery floats. We use the motor on our 10' RIB dingy that lives on the back of our 38' diesel trawler. When under way, the dingy is stowed on the transom without the motor, so we have to take the motor off the dingy, than carry it onto the swim platform and up and over the trawler transom, which is nearly a 5' lift. Light is good here and the floating battery is great as well. The Honda was air cooled and you almost had to shout over it at full throttle. The loudest noise with the Spirit is the water noise. The Honda needed it's carb removed and cleaned annually, even if I ran it out of gas before storage. It was also wouldn't idle until warm and was somewhat difficult to start when hot. Worst, the Honda had no reverse ( turn it 180 degrees for reverse ) and a centrifugal clutch like a minibike, so it was hard to maneuver. Let off the throttle and steering control vanishes. Every docking was a barely controlled crash, making the fact that the dingy is like one big fender a really good thing. My wife basically refused to use the dingy solo with the Honda. The Spirit is soo much easier, quieter and more pleasant to use.
Anthony! great video my friend. So appreciate your approach with clear and trustworthy information! We all embrace enhancements in electric outboard motors. Even tho acceptance is probably slow with early adopters taking the motors out of the show room. But your videos are so so helpful to explain what is possible. Kudos!
It's the best of the three, there's really no competition. Best value, lightest weight, same speed as the others, biggest battery and it's quiet. There's really nothing to dislike, Torqeedo is the only real competition for it, at least for now.
Great break down of each motor. For us we decided to go with the Mercury Avator 7.5E based on the fact that we have local dealers. I like the fact that I can walk in and deal directly when buying and was able to negotiate a better deal than MSRP. And while a longer warranty on the E-Prop seems better... if something happens with the Avator I can take it back to the dealer 15 minutes away. With E-Prop and Newport I would have to box it up and pay freight both directions. The hope is nothing ever goes wrong, but I have been reading plenty of complaints from owners having issues getting warranty repairs with some of these. If there was an E-Prop dealer locally my decision would have been much harder as there is a lot to like. The Newport doesn't work for us because we need a remote steering model. Thanks for the detailed comparison!
Greetings from Australia! Thanks for this excellent, clear and concise comparison video. It may be confirmation bias on my part but you confirmed my thinking on choice so will be buying the ePropulsion model. The price point and lighter weight are big factors for me so it's an easy choice. Thanks again.
Good information here! I use the trolling motors everyday 😊 - i use a 12v jarviswalker watersnake advance on my dinghy. Max speed is 5 knots. With a 100ah lithium battery it gets 1hr at full speed. I also got a haswing protruar 2.0..... its slower and uses more power.😅 plus a whole heap noisy compared the the jarvis walker.
Good video comparing these 3 leadimg electric outboards. Hope to see some of these at The Seattle Boat show for closer look. Kudos from The Green Boater community!
I have the NT300 on my Sea Ark 1648MV Special. When I sit in the back I get 5.3-5.4. If I move up front it will go 6.0-6.1 even into a breeze. My 55lb Xi3 only gets 3.3-3.4 I am powering the NT300 with 3 Weize 100ah lithiums. Running with the Xi3 on high at the same time or with it stowed made no change.
Very nice video!! I started to follow you since the comparison of the E-propulsion and Torqeedo .. too bad i already had the Torq at the time of the video 😅😅( to be honest It still works good and does its job) since the E-propulsion turned out to be a Better choice... I was expecting much more from Mercury and hoped for It to lower the Electric outboards prices with Mass production, but this seems not happening by now.... i would love some of your thoughts or a comparison video like this for a 10 - 15 outboard ( which should be the next step of the Avator?!?) Nice work btw keep It up 💪💪💪🔥🔥
E-Propulsion is just a Chinese knock off of the Torqeedo. It forced them to make a couple "small" changes to their design, which is a disadvantage to Torqeedo users as parts become incompatible. Torqeedo has some new models out now, which don't use the same batteries. No thanks to E-Propultion! Make a small change, greatly affects the longevity for everyone. None of these type of motors with this kind of competition allowed will be around for too long, and the ability to get them serviced or buy parts. It was better when there were fewer choices, and the designs could stay around a long time. How would we like it if all the new tires for our cars and other parts were suddenly only available in a different size and we're forced to buy a new car? The E-Propultion wasn't a radical change for the Torqeedo, and not much cheaper either. The only kind of changes I would have welcomed would have been significant changes or significantly cheaper. The Torqeedo Travel was truly a unique product when it came out. Chinese knock offs will ruin all innovative products if their allowed on the market. Anyone can steal anyone else's ideas and make it cheaper. Shouldn't be legal to me. How about a new 3HP motor that gets double the battery life, and sells for half the price? If we're gonna get new products, that's what the market really needs. Not more $3000+ motors that are barely improved.
I'm curious how the Torqeedo Travel 3HP would have stacked up. I know it's taken place since this video was made, vut it will also be interesting to see what Yamaha ownership contributes to both pricing & technologies.
The Newport would be my pick. I don't like being beholden to a specific battery. Like what happens in five years when E pro no longer have this model. Also great that you could add capacity down the road, or you could go dirt cheap with some old lead acid batteries. Just seems to make sense, but I'm sure there's less money to be made which is why so many of these have specialized batteries.
Yeah, you're right about the 5 years. Who knows? I know the ePropulsion battery has a battery management system, or bms, that is made to sync with the outboard to deliver real-time data. These ePropulsion batteries are rated for 2,000-3,000 charge cycles and I know guys that have had them for years and ran them into the ground. If I ran the Newport, id probably stick with their battery or get a nice one from another brand. The unseen issue i didn't really discuss is the Newport is 36v and the others 48v so even if you ran external you aren't really saving money going another brand on a 48v. ePropulsion its possible, Mercury it's not. I'm not hating the Newport though, it's definitely an option for a niche segment of the market which is surely why they designed it the way they did. It's goid to come in last in development to fill the void if competition.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats I mean all it is is just another 12 V in series. The benefit I see for the Newport is some guys like me that already have an electric trolling motor and run two 12v batteries, just add a third one in series and you can run the electric only lakes you don't have to buy into the whole brand, just the motor. Another $100 Walmart lead acid and I could run this motor. No need to spend almost $3000 then. Thank goodness we can still run gas motors here in MN but I'm sure the day is coming where that will change.
ePropulsion sells an 'external battery cable' that allows you to connect any 48V nominal battery you want. The non-proprietary battery option (for every outboard they sell) is the main draw of ePropulsion for me.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoatsThere are tons of LiFe batteries that are designed to be strung into 36v + Bluetooth. You have an enormous amount of data coming from the battery, far more than anything the e propulsion provides. You're acting a little bit like they're a big dumb lead acid, they're not.
Seems like electric outboards are rated with miniature horses rather than regular ones, 750W '3 hp' has to be the biggest joke I've heard in quite a while. For reference 750W is almost exactly one 'normal size' horsepower... I suspect that their 'power' ratings are actually bollard pull ratings, I.e. static thrust of the '3hp' electric is eqivalant to a 3hp combustion outboard. You can get more bollard pull by using a larger, finer pitched propeller, which is exactly what they've done in all of these. That of course ignores the fact that the finer pitch will make that thrust output drop a lot quicker as your speed rises. So on a small boat the electrics will be slower than their combustion counterparts, despite being able to get moving from a stop just as quickly. Funnily enough, if your boat is very fat and draggy such that your top speed is only a few knots the electric might perform about as well as the combustion motor. Small combustion outboards have a poor match of propeller to hull when used on that kind of boat, they basically waste a lot of their power just stirring the water rather than pushing you along.
I've had a epropulsion Spirit plus for 4 yrs. I dint use it a ton but I'm pushing a heavy boat for its size on an 85 acre lake. A 13 ft pontoon which is I think 509 lbs. I don't get to 3 moh and on windy days am sometimes barely making headway. The prop gets?weeds wrapped in it badly. I'd like just a tad more pushing power.
Very informative. I'm currently looking for an electric motor to be used on a 20 foot pontoon boat on a small lake as transport. I was wondering if you think the 3 HP electric motors would be enough. I am currently using 2 Minn Kota Endura 55s but have trouble overcoming head wind problems. Thanks.
Great presentation and technical due diligence. Question: What is the make/model of the boat displayed at the 9:31 minute mark of your video? It looks like a plastic molded boat.
Yes, that is a plastic boat. It is a Sun Dolphin Pro 120 I am currently building. I shot an outboard video on that boat which will be out in the near future.
What people dont understanding and i seen on tb nation his review is that with the 36v set up you can buy one 36v lithium for under 1000 now. Run your trolling motor and this on same battery and charger system. Yes you could do 4 12v and just wire 3 into your trolling motor but lithium really needs to be run evenly. Wouodnt be a good idea. So to me the newport WINS BY FAR. Its just that simple. One trolling motor, one outboard, one battery and one charger. And wayyyyy cheaper.
If cheap is your goal, Newport is that. I think most people would be very disappointed in run time using one battery for a 36v trolling motor and a 36v outboard. Those both pull some juice! Wouldn't last long between the two. Also, kind of any oxy moron going with a 36v outboard because its the mist cost effective, yet a 36v trolling motor which are about 3,000$. Not how I'd do it or recommend but you do you! Thanks for watching, all of these outboards are great!
I was thinking about getting an electric outboard for my sailboat. Do you think any of theses motors are adequate to push a one ton boat in and out of a marina?I currently have a Yamaha 4 hp but I never use it above half throttle. Thanks for the reviews.
Based off HP and these motors they arent the same as a 3hp fuel motor.. 1HP = 745.7w the mercury is only 1.22HP, NT 300 1.74HP, Siprit 1.34HP.. and all those also are only running at 50% efficancy... to get the same as a fuel motor at 3hp you would need it to be running at 2300w.. So really they are lying to people when they say 3HP
I've explained many times on here it is not a mathematical "direct" conversion. It's rated on prop thrust provided through direct drive shaft and torque as to compared to a gas outboard. It's not apples to apples. They aren't the only ones lying, though, if that's your stance because even a 9.9hp doesn't equal 9.9hp at the prop from any manufacturer.
Ultimately it doesn’t matter imo. Gas motors and their performance at the set hp ratings are the point of comparison no matter how you slice it. If someone advertises it to be a 3 hp equivalent, my expectation is for it to perform the equivalent of a 3 hp gas motor barring the range limited by the battery consumption. It’s the big reason I hate the EV movement. It’s not that these motors don’t perform in boats and cars and such but the ratings they give them are quite literally direct FALSE ADVERTISING on known and understood comparisons leading the buyer to buy something that is t what it is advertised to be. Its BS. They are literally lying to people to buy into the movement. And don’t get me started on the “proprietary” batteries. The batteries are where the money is. It’s why there are full stores of just dealing in car batteries. There is no proprietary fuel that is required in gas motors. Sure the tanks vary and can be proprietary in shape but they are all filled by the same thing. The proprietary batteries in boat and car EVs can only be used in that one application, barring the Newport motor. Newport has the right idea there imo.
supposedly equivalence in thrust/torque at the prop is "equal to 3hp gas outboard". It's confusing, I know. Also to add to it, different electric outboard manufacturers rate their hp differently. Some like ePropulsion, are veering away from hp ratings or even mentioning the term and going by watts or kilowatts only now.
thanks - things are always changing, uh? 'they use to say foot pounds of torque. Now it's something like pounds of foot torque? Trans use to refer to transmissions now it refers to people 😆😆😆
nice, I paid the introductory price for the nt300. I think it was either 900 or 1k. Now that newport has raised the price, I do not think it can compete with the spirit thats only $250 more. but when the nt300 was cheaper it was more competitive. now for the current prices I'd definitely pay the extra 250 for the spirit.
I did not buy newport battery. I think newport has gone through a few "prototypes" of batteries. they offered a different capacity at the start, now they are sold with bluetooth. who knows what they will sell next.
You are biased. But that's FINE. It's actually appropriate. Bias based on performance and value, shouldn't be a problem, for anyone. Other than people who have a different bias. In which case, it's on them; if you are biased to a brand despite their lack of competition in the market(HELLO MERCURY), that's a flaw.
It amazes me how these motors are available for purchase. Not sure how many ppl know this but, once you get a lithium ion battery wet it essentially becomes a ticking time bomb especially with salt water. After Hurricane Ian hit in Florida and caused severe flooding they had electric vehicle batteries exploding left right and center. Literally 1000's of batteries exploded causing severe injury and some deaths as well. The media will not report on these issues because of politics but assure lithium ion batteries are VERY VERY unstable and just flat out dangerous. I suggest sticking to gasoline or diesel engines and not having to worry about having a battery explode.
Thanks for the info. Electric outboard manufacturers are regulated by a few different industry standards and certifications depending on the region. Lithium batteries as well. Lithium batteries have taken over the marine industry as the standard batteries now in bass boats and many salt water boats, from oem manufacturers. They are safe. Now, batteries that have cobalt in them that get water intrusion can become bombs as you state, so correct. The litium iron phosphates used with these outboards are safe and approved for marine use. I can't speak on the effects water does to car batteries. Lithiums are no more dangerous than gasoline. I hate how controversial and political electric anything has become. I'm just a guy who likes these for electric only lakes, not to go green or whatnot. Thanks for the comment.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats The old lead-acid batteries are hardly danger free in a boat anyway. They naturally produce hydrogen gas during charging, and will produce way more if they get wet. That's a major hazard in a confined space, hydrogen is explosive in air from 4% to 75% concentration so an explosive mixture can easily form in a battery compartment.
Which one is the best for trolling? and would you recommend them over a dedicated trolling motor? I go on lakes that are (some of them at least) solely electric, but I also do bigger lakes and rivers that can accomodate both, so I use the main motor to go to or near my spots and then use quite a lot a trolling motor. Would it be better to use such an electric motor or a trolling motor? (Granted, my usual speed is in between 2-3mph)
Great video review Anthony! I like the new electric outboards but have a concern about the lithium batteries around saltwater. Unless they have a new formulation for the electrolyte, lithium batteries can explode if saltwater seeps into the housing. We recently had 2 Tesla's in my area catch fire and burn down to the frame because of flooding from hurricane Idalia. The fire department could not put the fires out. They just had to let them burn. Go Dawgs!!!
Very well done video! The videography is excellent, the audio matches it, the narration is clear with expert enunciation. The metrics used for comparison are innovative. The concluding remarks are well-reasoned. I have an ePropulsion Spirit 1.0+ and I’m happy with it so far. I use it on a 7’7” inflatable dinghy. I appreciate its light weight and easy handling. The separate battery of the Newport makes it totally unsuitable for my application.
I would choose the one without the bespoke battery. Bespoke batteries can be priced as high as they want because they have no competition. Off the shelf batteries are cost competitive. I have an 8' dinghy this would be perfect for. Thanks for doing the testing for me.
I think you should do the comparison at a fixed speed since the Newport is more powerful and therefore faster, so at its full speed it uses more juice. It is a bit of an unfair comparison. Otherwise it is a good review and I like the use of runtime as a comparison.
From Ray Electrics 3 out of 5 star Google reviews- "Since May 2023 we have been dealing with Preston and others at this company waiting for a controller so we can get our pontoon boat out of the water. This company misleads the public making promises and then not returning emails or phone calls. I would think twice about buying anything with the name Ray on it and would stay away from this company. It’s sad how they treat their customers. If I could I wouldn’t give them one star"
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats Idk how the company is run or was affected by the supply chain shortage from the pandemic, or hell if it's a money laundering scheme now lol. But what I do know is that they've been used commercially for decades with very minimal failures. Was at Silver Springs a couple years ago where they'd been running the same Rays for decades pretty much 24/7 on their glass bottom boats and were just thinking about finally replacing them. I just don't think there's anything else out there that can match them in terms of durability. Tried and true since the 1970s, the OG electric outboard. Would love to see your thoughts on them but it's probably too big for your boat
Did the price of the epropulsion really go up to $3999.99 in the last 12 months? Am I missing something here? That kind of price jump is absolutely insane from the 2600 all in figure you mention in the video
It's a pity that the Newport 300 does not operate on 48v, it would be easier to connect an external 2x 24v battery to it and then I would invest in it because it is the cheapest of the 3 and has good performance. As for Mercury, they made a mistake by putting the wrong propeller (3 blade other two have 2 blades thats why they are better Wat too Speed) in this engine because it could have been even faster than Newport
thanks great info, would of been nice to see some comparison of low speed trolling performance as well, and some details of the size and weight of the boat you're pushing in the test, cost comparison bit meaningless as kinda depends on how long they last, no one is buying them for a single session
Great video! The Newport wins for sure. No one should buy these overpriced batteries. Get 3 50AH packs in series from any other manufacturer and you'll save 100s. The NT300 + 3 50AH LiFePO4s should come out under $2k for runtime 1hr 30min.
You're not necessarily wrong, but I don't think you'd be under 2k. The cheapest reputable 50ah id run from an off brand is 300 each, but that's just me. These bigger brands you're paying for that warranty, brand recognition and backing, and the likely hood they will still be in business when you have an issue. I've seen guys get burned on off brand lithiums. But, if the cheapest route possible is the goal, then Newport is the way to go. I still don't like the horrible throttle response, 2 yr warranty or how loud it is but maybe saving money is more important to some. Edit- I forgot to mention that I believe Mercury and ePropulsion have a proprietary battery management system in their batteries designed to mate with the outboard to transfer the data for battery management. Not sure about the Newport. Again, i get this is possibly another angle to lock you in but just a thought worth noting.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats Yeah, to each their own. If warranty is important, it does tend to put you over $2k. Personally, I avoid LiFePO4 warranties like the plague because they often double or triple the price, and I don't see the value. If a cheap one fails within the equivalent "premium" brand's warranty period, you can often buy a whole new one for less than the warranty. Plus, the most likely failure component is the BMS, and I'm happy to cut a battery open and replace the BMS for $30. Anyone who has no interest in performing battery surgery should opt for the warranty instead, but BMS replacement is pretty straightforward.
I need a cat like you on my crew my man! Battery builds,mods, or diy outboards has definitely been an interest for me but I already have too much on my hands and not enough time. You definitely know more than most! But yeah that's what I said at the end of the day, it's the individuals $ to do as they please.
These bespoke battery formats and their cost are going to prevent widespread adoption. Especially with LiFe prices plummeting the boat tax is extraordinary for the pack capacity they offer. Newport is the only reasonable option here unless it's a dighy and you need extreme portability. $680 buys you 3.6 kWh at 36v!
Finally somebody that also gets it lol. Newport has the best concept for future adoption. The proprietary batteries will sky rocket in price as people buy them cause what else are you going to buy lol. With Newport, you get the same performance but also control the type, style, and capacity of the battery you want and you can use that battery for other applications if you so want/need. Shoot, buy three 12v 100ah batteries and you can use them camping, with a normal trolling motor, etc. but then also rig them up for use with this motor on electric only. I hate when something only has one use. Companies should think more broad if they want higher adoption rates of their new products.
Great video and information but I see these electric motors as a waste of money, besides with less than 2 hours of run time it wouldn’t last a half a day on the water especially on a river system. Gas is still way more affordable and you can be out all day and night if you wanted, also if one is camping with no electricity or out for a weekend camping trip these simply wouldn’t have the run time, not even for half of the day.
There's a lot of electric only lakes so it isn't a waste to everyone. Just because it doesn't work or apply to your situation doesn't mean it doesn't work or apply to others. Different outboards and different boats for different situations, not everything in boating is universal or one size fits all. I own both outboards (gas and electric)and use them both depending on what I'm doing, I like them both and they do their job for what I need at that time.
Nice review, but I don't agree on your design opinions. The NT300 have the best looks of them all, similar to the Torqeedo Cruice lineup. The Mercury looks too massive for such a small engine and the ePropulsion is no visual masterpiece IMO.
It's all good man! I wasn't fond of the styling of the Torqeedo either! To me the Mercury looks the most like a modern day outboard, that's why i like it. Just my opinion!
I just read today that the e propulsion was a little over 2000 dollars not long ago. Now almost 3 thousand . That’s just two much money for so little speed and mileage difference over a 55 pound thrust trolling motor.
The cost of everything has went up. Thank the US government. Go to the grocery store, it isn't just outboards. I have used both a trolling motor and an electric outboard, the outboard is far superior but also more money. Up to the individual to make a buying decision based on their needs and budget, I can't knock that. Everyone is different.
Well technically they all have separate batteries. I know on the ePropulsion you can buy the shaft/tiller separate for 1400. Also, if the actual hand throttle/ lcd screen should even malfunction, that part can be replaced without having to buy and entire new outboard minus battery.
Nice vid, well done. For reference 746 watts is the equivalency of 1hp. So 1000 watts is 1.34hp and 1300 watts is 1.74hp. Not sure how these companies get to say its 3hp equiv. A true 3hp motor would be about 2250 watts.
It's not a direct watt to hp conversion. A gas outboard loses a significant amount of its hp power through the shaft , so you aren't getting 9.9hp to the actual prop when it's the water on a 9.9hp gas outboard. The electric outboards are direct drive and lose almost no power through the shaft , therefore they rate the torque of the prop in comparison to what it would be at the prop for gas. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but I know it's obvious they don't rate on a direct conversion. It doesn't require a direct converted amount of watts to get that torque even to a hp rating that already suffered a lose through shaft. Best i can explain it.
Basically a direct conversion on hp to watts gives 2250 watts on 3hp but because electric is much more efficient and can produce more power in direct drive a 2250 watt outboard would actually be closer to 6 or 7hp equivalent based on the prop power produced. But because gas outboards were first with a hp rating the electric outboard companies have to have a way to rate them properly and base it off power produced at prop over directly converting watt to hp
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats These electric motors being direct drive doesn't matter Conventional name brand outboards like Yamaha, Tohatsu, Mercury etc., are all measured at the prop-shaft, netting out all the drivetrain and water pump losses. It's literally a power at the prop comparison for each (although some electrical outboards give their input wattage rather than the output wattage power at the shaft which muddies comparisons). Electric has a great advantage for torque (acceleration) which is at max when the motor starts, but top speed is pure power and that 1 hp is the same as 746 watts of power. Check the hp/kw ratings on any boat transom that shows both. Anything else is marketing. ;)
Well you sound like the expert so perhaps you start a channel explaining it all! I get hundreds of comments a day and was simply trying to explain it as I understood it but no need, you already have the answer. All good. Literally why I no longer respond to most comments lol.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats I complemented your video and pointed out how manufacturers are overstating the equivalent horsepower. It's a simple conversion. 746 watts is 1hp (or 735.5w for a "metric hp" - that's why you see a Yamaha F100 outboard in Europe rated at 73.5KW). I didn't make this stuff up, and it's no different than converting F to C or lbs to kgs. Canada is full of 10hp/7.4KW boating signs and rules. I like learning things on here and learned from your video. But the point stands, these motors are nowhere near their claimed 3hp equivalency, and are in fact less than 2hp. I wasn't sure if regular outboards were dyno'd at the crank like a car or actually at the prop so I looked it up and now we both know.
Must be something wrong with my computer... all the videos of the boat moving are in slow motion! 😄 If you install a video speed mod and watch it at 3.5x, you could almost mistake them for petrol outboards. Seriously though, thanks for the review, really useful information :)
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My findings and conclusions were very similar to yours regarding the Newport and ePropulsion. Great video!
Thanks man, you're videos are great! I highly recommend anyone lurking in the comments check out Waynes channel!!!
Build your own 36v lithium or price out aftermarket and get the NT300 - love mine and have had zero issues this season. I actually like the noise, it sounds like a four stroke at times.
Bought a Spirit a few years ago, very happy with it after 40 plus years of having internal combustion 2 and 4 strokes. Super quiet, good range and totally reliable. Most importantly finally an outboard that my wife likes to use. Will probably never buy a small OB that's not electric. Looking for a larger electric OB (around 15 to 20 hp)now for our larger tender as we mostly only use the little electric these days.
Great video Anthony. Thank you! I’ve been shopping these for a while now, doing homework and have been ready to pull the trigger. Only thing stopping me is some technical details I need to confirm so that i can rest assured knowing this purchase will work reliably for my application.
Sadly, it’s been IMPOSSIBLE to get on a simple tech call / or learn detailed info via email from any of these brands featured. I tried repeatedly, attempting with all 3 of the outboards you featured and finally have thrown my hands up in the air. End result= all 3 have garbage tech customer service. My last effort will be this coming week at the Ft Lauderdale boat show where I will press these folks in person. Wish me luck and thanks again! Keep putting out this great content 👊🏼, cheers from Florida!
I've been a spirit owner for a couple of years now and love it. It replaced a very noisy 2HP 4 stroke Honda. Runtime on a full battery is better than a full integrated tank of gas on the Honda, but the big difference is how light it is and that the battery floats. We use the motor on our 10' RIB dingy that lives on the back of our 38' diesel trawler. When under way, the dingy is stowed on the transom without the motor, so we have to take the motor off the dingy, than carry it onto the swim platform and up and over the trawler transom, which is nearly a 5' lift. Light is good here and the floating battery is great as well.
The Honda was air cooled and you almost had to shout over it at full throttle. The loudest noise with the Spirit is the water noise. The Honda needed it's carb removed and cleaned annually, even if I ran it out of gas before storage. It was also wouldn't idle until warm and was somewhat difficult to start when hot.
Worst, the Honda had no reverse ( turn it 180 degrees for reverse ) and a centrifugal clutch like a minibike, so it was hard to maneuver. Let off the throttle and steering control vanishes. Every docking was a barely controlled crash, making the fact that the dingy is like one big fender a really good thing.
My wife basically refused to use the dingy solo with the Honda. The Spirit is soo much easier, quieter and more pleasant to use.
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Anthony! great video my friend. So appreciate your approach with clear and trustworthy information! We all embrace enhancements in electric outboard motors. Even tho acceptance is probably slow with early adopters taking the motors out of the show room. But your videos are so so helpful to explain what is possible. Kudos!
It's the best of the three, there's really no competition. Best value, lightest weight, same speed as the others, biggest battery and it's quiet. There's really nothing to dislike, Torqeedo is the only real competition for it, at least for now.
Great break down of each motor. For us we decided to go with the Mercury Avator 7.5E based on the fact that we have local dealers. I like the fact that I can walk in and deal directly when buying and was able to negotiate a better deal than MSRP. And while a longer warranty on the E-Prop seems better... if something happens with the Avator I can take it back to the dealer 15 minutes away. With E-Prop and Newport I would have to box it up and pay freight both directions. The hope is nothing ever goes wrong, but I have been reading plenty of complaints from owners having issues getting warranty repairs with some of these. If there was an E-Prop dealer locally my decision would have been much harder as there is a lot to like. The Newport doesn't work for us because we need a remote steering model. Thanks for the detailed comparison!
Loved your review. Concise, to the point and not overly long.
Greetings from Australia! Thanks for this excellent, clear and concise comparison video. It may be confirmation bias on my part but you confirmed my thinking on choice so will be buying the ePropulsion model. The price point and lighter weight are big factors for me so it's an easy choice. Thanks again.
Excellent job producing this video!
Thank you very much!
Thanks! Great run-down.
Good information here! I use the trolling motors everyday 😊
- i use a 12v jarviswalker watersnake advance on my dinghy. Max speed is 5 knots. With a 100ah lithium battery it gets 1hr at full speed.
I also got a haswing protruar 2.0..... its slower and uses more power.😅 plus a whole heap noisy compared the the jarvis walker.
Good video comparing these 3 leadimg electric outboards. Hope to see some of these at The Seattle Boat show for closer look. Kudos from The Green Boater community!
Came out really good, man!
I have the NT300 on my Sea Ark 1648MV Special. When I sit in the back I get 5.3-5.4. If I move up front it will go 6.0-6.1 even into a breeze.
My 55lb Xi3 only gets 3.3-3.4 I am powering the NT300 with 3 Weize 100ah lithiums. Running with the Xi3 on high at the same time or with it stowed made no change.
Thank you so much! Really appreciate your knowledge and experience!
Glad it was helpful!
Very nice video!! I started to follow you since the comparison of the E-propulsion and Torqeedo .. too bad i already had the Torq at the time of the video 😅😅( to be honest It still works good and does its job) since the E-propulsion turned out to be a Better choice... I was expecting much more from Mercury and hoped for It to lower the Electric outboards prices with Mass production, but this seems not happening by now.... i would love some of your thoughts or a comparison video like this for a 10 - 15 outboard ( which should be the next step of the Avator?!?) Nice work btw keep It up 💪💪💪🔥🔥
E-Propulsion is just a Chinese knock off of the Torqeedo. It forced them to make a couple "small" changes to their design, which is a disadvantage to Torqeedo users as parts become incompatible.
Torqeedo has some new models out now, which don't use the same batteries. No thanks to E-Propultion! Make a small change, greatly affects the longevity for everyone. None of these type of motors with this kind of competition allowed will be around for too long, and the ability to get them serviced or buy parts.
It was better when there were fewer choices, and the designs could stay around a long time. How would we like it if all the new tires for our cars and other parts were suddenly only available in a different size and we're forced to buy a new car?
The E-Propultion wasn't a radical change for the Torqeedo, and not much cheaper either. The only kind of changes I would have welcomed would have been significant changes or significantly cheaper. The Torqeedo Travel was truly a unique product when it came out. Chinese knock offs will ruin all innovative products if their allowed on the market. Anyone can steal anyone else's ideas and make it cheaper. Shouldn't be legal to me.
How about a new 3HP motor that gets double the battery life, and sells for half the price? If we're gonna get new products, that's what the market really needs. Not more $3000+ motors that are barely improved.
E propulsion would be the way to go, but man does that mercury look good 😂. Awesome comparison
Thank you. Yes, the Mercury looks killer! Wish I could get the epro unit inside a Mercury cowl!
My thoughts exactly, if I get one it will be the E propulsion but I'll be crying inside if I see a Mercury on the water. That thing is gorgeous!
Same! If looks = performance it would win. Sad that is subpar
These products from the larger marine power companies validates the epropulsion market! Kudos
Yep, its like it was designed by Apple.
Great job and great comparison. Very good information!
Much appreciated!
I'm curious how the Torqeedo Travel 3HP would have stacked up. I know it's taken place since this video was made, vut it will also be interesting to see what Yamaha ownership contributes to both pricing & technologies.
Thank you for information.
top speed with a Merc 3.3hp gas outboard would probably be close to 10 miles /h ?
No idea. We are comparing electric to electric on an electric only lake so gas wouldn't apply in this scenario.
Good job. Not a lot of fluff or fill. Focus was compromised content and good pace. Keep it up.
Appreciate the feedback. Thanks!
The Newport would be my pick. I don't like being beholden to a specific battery. Like what happens in five years when E pro no longer have this model. Also great that you could add capacity down the road, or you could go dirt cheap with some old lead acid batteries. Just seems to make sense, but I'm sure there's less money to be made which is why so many of these have specialized batteries.
Yeah, you're right about the 5 years. Who knows? I know the ePropulsion battery has a battery management system, or bms, that is made to sync with the outboard to deliver real-time data. These ePropulsion batteries are rated for 2,000-3,000 charge cycles and I know guys that have had them for years and ran them into the ground. If I ran the Newport, id probably stick with their battery or get a nice one from another brand. The unseen issue i didn't really discuss is the Newport is 36v and the others 48v so even if you ran external you aren't really saving money going another brand on a 48v. ePropulsion its possible, Mercury it's not. I'm not hating the Newport though, it's definitely an option for a niche segment of the market which is surely why they designed it the way they did. It's goid to come in last in development to fill the void if competition.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats I mean all it is is just another 12 V in series. The benefit I see for the Newport is some guys like me that already have an electric trolling motor and run two 12v batteries, just add a third one in series and you can run the electric only lakes you don't have to buy into the whole brand, just the motor. Another $100 Walmart lead acid and I could run this motor. No need to spend almost $3000 then. Thank goodness we can still run gas motors here in MN but I'm sure the day is coming where that will change.
ePropulsion sells an 'external battery cable' that allows you to connect any 48V nominal battery you want. The non-proprietary battery option (for every outboard they sell) is the main draw of ePropulsion for me.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoatsThere are tons of LiFe batteries that are designed to be strung into 36v + Bluetooth. You have an enormous amount of data coming from the battery, far more than anything the e propulsion provides.
You're acting a little bit like they're a big dumb lead acid, they're not.
Thnx for this !👍
Seems like electric outboards are rated with miniature horses rather than regular ones, 750W '3 hp' has to be the biggest joke I've heard in quite a while. For reference 750W is almost exactly one 'normal size' horsepower...
I suspect that their 'power' ratings are actually bollard pull ratings, I.e. static thrust of the '3hp' electric is eqivalant to a 3hp combustion outboard. You can get more bollard pull by using a larger, finer pitched propeller, which is exactly what they've done in all of these. That of course ignores the fact that the finer pitch will make that thrust output drop a lot quicker as your speed rises. So on a small boat the electrics will be slower than their combustion counterparts, despite being able to get moving from a stop just as quickly.
Funnily enough, if your boat is very fat and draggy such that your top speed is only a few knots the electric might perform about as well as the combustion motor. Small combustion outboards have a poor match of propeller to hull when used on that kind of boat, they basically waste a lot of their power just stirring the water rather than pushing you along.
So could it go faster at efficiency cost with more traditional prop?
@@adamnorton748 on the right boat yes
I've had a epropulsion Spirit plus for 4 yrs. I dint use it a ton but I'm pushing a heavy boat for its size on an 85 acre lake. A 13 ft pontoon which is I think 509 lbs. I don't get to 3 moh and on windy days am sometimes barely making headway. The prop gets?weeds wrapped in it badly.
I'd like just a tad more pushing power.
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Great job - thanks!
I found this very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Very informative. I'm currently looking for an electric motor to be used on a 20 foot pontoon boat on a small lake as transport. I was wondering if you think the 3 HP electric motors would be enough. I am currently using 2 Minn Kota Endura 55s but have trouble overcoming head wind problems. Thanks.
Great presentation and technical due diligence. Question: What is the make/model of the boat displayed at the 9:31 minute mark of your video? It looks like a plastic molded boat.
Yes, that is a plastic boat. It is a Sun Dolphin Pro 120 I am currently building. I shot an outboard video on that boat which will be out in the near future.
What people dont understanding and i seen on tb nation his review is that with the 36v set up you can buy one 36v lithium for under 1000 now. Run your trolling motor and this on same battery and charger system. Yes you could do 4 12v and just wire 3 into your trolling motor but lithium really needs to be run evenly. Wouodnt be a good idea. So to me the newport WINS BY FAR. Its just that simple. One trolling motor, one outboard, one battery and one charger. And wayyyyy cheaper.
You could buy the Newport, 100ah 36v battery and still have almost enough for a 36 trolling motor if not enough.
And for those that don't know that 36v 100ah is equal to 3,600 watt so over 3 times what the mercury or the others offer.
If cheap is your goal, Newport is that. I think most people would be very disappointed in run time using one battery for a 36v trolling motor and a 36v outboard. Those both pull some juice! Wouldn't last long between the two. Also, kind of any oxy moron going with a 36v outboard because its the mist cost effective, yet a 36v trolling motor which are about 3,000$. Not how I'd do it or recommend but you do you! Thanks for watching, all of these outboards are great!
love these vids
Thank you for the support!
Awesome video 👍👍👍👍
Thank you 👍
I was thinking about getting an electric outboard for my sailboat. Do you think any of theses motors are adequate to push a one ton boat in and out of a marina?I currently have a Yamaha 4 hp but I never use it above half throttle. Thanks for the reviews.
Absolutely. ePropulsion actually sells most if their electric outboards just for that reason jn particular!
Buy yamha 9.9 hp. 56 Mike rabge
Based off HP and these motors they arent the same as a 3hp fuel motor.. 1HP = 745.7w the mercury is only 1.22HP, NT 300 1.74HP, Siprit 1.34HP.. and all those also are only running at 50% efficancy... to get the same as a fuel motor at 3hp you would need it to be running at 2300w.. So really they are lying to people when they say 3HP
I've explained many times on here it is not a mathematical "direct" conversion. It's rated on prop thrust provided through direct drive shaft and torque as to compared to a gas outboard. It's not apples to apples. They aren't the only ones lying, though, if that's your stance because even a 9.9hp doesn't equal 9.9hp at the prop from any manufacturer.
Oh and electric outboards are direct drive, usually are 80% or more efficient with power transfer to shaft unlike gas outboards.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoatsdoesn’t matter if it’s 100% if you can only run 30 min at top speed. Those are nice trolling motors
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoatsGoogle 1kw there is a direct comparison. I took E propulsion to court and won got all my money back.
Ultimately it doesn’t matter imo. Gas motors and their performance at the set hp ratings are the point of comparison no matter how you slice it. If someone advertises it to be a 3 hp equivalent, my expectation is for it to perform the equivalent of a 3 hp gas motor barring the range limited by the battery consumption. It’s the big reason I hate the EV movement. It’s not that these motors don’t perform in boats and cars and such but the ratings they give them are quite literally direct FALSE ADVERTISING on known and understood comparisons leading the buyer to buy something that is t what it is advertised to be. Its BS. They are literally lying to people to buy into the movement. And don’t get me started on the “proprietary” batteries. The batteries are where the money is. It’s why there are full stores of just dealing in car batteries. There is no proprietary fuel that is required in gas motors. Sure the tanks vary and can be proprietary in shape but they are all filled by the same thing. The proprietary batteries in boat and car EVs can only be used in that one application, barring the Newport motor. Newport has the right idea there imo.
When doing a search for
How many watts make a horsepower
I find 745
How do these manufacturers call these motors 3 hp?
thanks.
supposedly equivalence in thrust/torque at the prop is "equal to 3hp gas outboard". It's confusing, I know. Also to add to it, different electric outboard manufacturers rate their hp differently. Some like ePropulsion, are veering away from hp ratings or even mentioning the term and going by watts or kilowatts only now.
thanks - things are always changing, uh?
'they use to say foot pounds of torque.
Now it's something like pounds of foot torque?
Trans use to refer to transmissions
now it refers to people 😆😆😆
can you buy the spirit without the battery? like the nt300? that would change prices... I dont have a spirit dealer around me.
Yes you can buy just the shaft separately from tbnation.net
nice, I paid the introductory price for the nt300. I think it was either 900 or 1k. Now that newport has raised the price, I do not think it can compete with the spirit thats only $250 more. but when the nt300 was cheaper it was more competitive. now for the current prices I'd definitely pay the extra 250 for the spirit.
I did not buy newport battery. I think newport has gone through a few "prototypes" of batteries. they offered a different capacity at the start, now they are sold with bluetooth. who knows what they will sell next.
You are biased. But that's FINE. It's actually appropriate.
Bias based on performance and value, shouldn't be a problem, for anyone. Other than people who have a different bias.
In which case, it's on them; if you are biased to a brand despite their lack of competition in the market(HELLO MERCURY), that's a flaw.
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seems like the prices of these have came down alot
sorry i didn't add the battery pack lol
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mannn... put them trolling motors in the front.
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@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats goals to have a channel like you
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The Mercury one is very bulky.
Newport with separate battery no practical for an inflatable dinghy IMO
It amazes me how these motors are available for purchase. Not sure how many ppl know this but, once you get a lithium ion battery wet it essentially becomes a ticking time bomb especially with salt water. After Hurricane Ian hit in Florida and caused severe flooding they had electric vehicle batteries exploding left right and center. Literally 1000's of batteries exploded causing severe injury and some deaths as well. The media will not report on these issues because of politics but assure lithium ion batteries are VERY VERY unstable and just flat out dangerous. I suggest sticking to gasoline or diesel engines and not having to worry about having a battery explode.
Thanks for the info. Electric outboard manufacturers are regulated by a few different industry standards and certifications depending on the region. Lithium batteries as well. Lithium batteries have taken over the marine industry as the standard batteries now in bass boats and many salt water boats, from oem manufacturers. They are safe. Now, batteries that have cobalt in them that get water intrusion can become bombs as you state, so correct. The litium iron phosphates used with these outboards are safe and approved for marine use. I can't speak on the effects water does to car batteries. Lithiums are no more dangerous than gasoline. I hate how controversial and political electric anything has become. I'm just a guy who likes these for electric only lakes, not to go green or whatnot. Thanks for the comment.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats The old lead-acid batteries are hardly danger free in a boat anyway. They naturally produce hydrogen gas during charging, and will produce way more if they get wet. That's a major hazard in a confined space, hydrogen is explosive in air from 4% to 75% concentration so an explosive mixture can easily form in a battery compartment.
Which one is the best for trolling? and would you recommend them over a dedicated trolling motor? I go on lakes that are (some of them at least) solely electric, but I also do bigger lakes and rivers that can accomodate both, so I use the main motor to go to or near my spots and then use quite a lot a trolling motor. Would it be better to use such an electric motor or a trolling motor? (Granted, my usual speed is in between 2-3mph)
Great video review Anthony! I like the new electric outboards but have a concern about the lithium batteries around saltwater. Unless they have a new formulation for the electrolyte, lithium batteries can explode if saltwater seeps into the housing.
We recently had 2 Tesla's in my area catch fire and burn down to the frame because of flooding from hurricane Idalia. The fire department could not put the fires out. They just had to let them burn.
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4.5mph with 30lb thrust Minnesota on my 1436. I’ll think I’ll keep my $100 trolling motor LOL.
Good to hear! Thanks for the suggestion!
It's a really good data point for perspective 🤔🤔🤔
Very well done video! The videography is excellent, the audio matches it, the narration is clear with expert enunciation. The metrics used for comparison are innovative. The concluding remarks are well-reasoned.
I have an ePropulsion Spirit 1.0+ and I’m happy with it so far. I use it on a 7’7” inflatable dinghy. I appreciate its light weight and easy handling. The separate battery of the Newport makes it totally unsuitable for my application.
I would choose the one without the bespoke battery. Bespoke batteries can be priced as high as they want because they have no competition. Off the shelf batteries are cost competitive. I have an 8' dinghy this would be perfect for. Thanks for doing the testing for me.
Epropulsion can be run from any 48v battery
I am wondering if you have ever tried the torqeedo 903?
I think you should do the comparison at a fixed speed since the Newport is more powerful and therefore faster, so at its full speed it uses more juice. It is a bit of an unfair comparison. Otherwise it is a good review and I like the use of runtime as a comparison.
After the BS they pulled on me with a warranty clame I'll never buy a Newport vessels item again!
The Newport is garbage. Had 2 breakdown within 14 months. They will only fix/replace it once. Now I'm out $1000. Trash knockoff is all it is.
Doing some research and came across this. This is well done and incredibly helpful. Thank you very much.
Ray Electric far far better than all of them in terms of reliability
From Ray Electrics 3 out of 5 star Google reviews-
"Since May 2023 we have been dealing with Preston and others at this company waiting for a controller so we can get our pontoon boat out of the water. This company misleads the public making promises and then not returning emails or phone calls. I would think twice about buying anything with the name Ray on it and would stay away from this company. It’s sad how they treat their customers. If I could I wouldn’t give them one star"
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats Idk how the company is run or was affected by the supply chain shortage from the pandemic, or hell if it's a money laundering scheme now lol. But what I do know is that they've been used commercially for decades with very minimal failures. Was at Silver Springs a couple years ago where they'd been running the same Rays for decades pretty much 24/7 on their glass bottom boats and were just thinking about finally replacing them. I just don't think there's anything else out there that can match them in terms of durability. Tried and true since the 1970s, the OG electric outboard. Would love to see your thoughts on them but it's probably too big for your boat
what a good looking motor that Mercury.....but I go for the Epropulsion!!! ;-)
Never buy anything with properitary battery or connectors.
when you are talking about running another battery on the epropulsion.. are you saying you can just run any marine battery off it?
As long as it's 48 volts. 4/12v 2/24v 1/48.
Did the price of the epropulsion really go up to $3999.99 in the last 12 months? Am I missing something here? That kind of price jump is absolutely insane from the 2600 all in figure you mention in the video
No. The price is $2,699 on tbnation.net
Thank you
What boat is that ?
Looks identical to the ePropulsion!
This is a well put together vid sir
much appreciated my man!
It's a pity that the Newport 300 does not operate on 48v, it would be easier to connect an external 2x 24v battery to it and then I would invest in it because it is the cheapest of the 3 and has good performance.
As for Mercury, they made a mistake by putting the wrong propeller (3 blade other two have 2 blades thats why they are better Wat too Speed) in this engine because it could have been even faster than Newport
My Bixpy motor and battery weigh 15 pounds combined. Probably the reason I catch the most fish after sunset
Epro the one.. thanks for your time and money to put out this very helpful video.. i'm save to get an Epro.. for my inflatable boat..👍
Hello Anthony, could I get away with using a 12vmarine deep cycle battery on my NT300 motor?
thanks great info, would of been nice to see some comparison of low speed trolling performance as well, and some details of the size and weight of the boat you're pushing in the test, cost comparison bit meaningless as kinda depends on how long they last, no one is buying them for a single session
mercury does look the coolest. 😎 yeah spirit worth it with current price.
Great review. By the way, your video work is very impressive.
I like your boat and the lay out, the cost blows my 8hp 4 stoke Yamaha out of the water.
Really surprised Minn Kota hasn't made something
Buy ektric bayliner 35 mph 135 hp 147 hp 32 kw batery 53 moh
Great video! The Newport wins for sure. No one should buy these overpriced batteries. Get 3 50AH packs in series from any other manufacturer and you'll save 100s. The NT300 + 3 50AH LiFePO4s should come out under $2k for runtime 1hr 30min.
You're not necessarily wrong, but I don't think you'd be under 2k. The cheapest reputable 50ah id run from an off brand is 300 each, but that's just me. These bigger brands you're paying for that warranty, brand recognition and backing, and the likely hood they will still be in business when you have an issue. I've seen guys get burned on off brand lithiums. But, if the cheapest route possible is the goal, then Newport is the way to go. I still don't like the horrible throttle response, 2 yr warranty or how loud it is but maybe saving money is more important to some.
Edit- I forgot to mention that I believe Mercury and ePropulsion have a proprietary battery management system in their batteries designed to mate with the outboard to transfer the data for battery management. Not sure about the Newport. Again, i get this is possibly another angle to lock you in but just a thought worth noting.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats Yeah, to each their own. If warranty is important, it does tend to put you over $2k. Personally, I avoid LiFePO4 warranties like the plague because they often double or triple the price, and I don't see the value. If a cheap one fails within the equivalent "premium" brand's warranty period, you can often buy a whole new one for less than the warranty. Plus, the most likely failure component is the BMS, and I'm happy to cut a battery open and replace the BMS for $30. Anyone who has no interest in performing battery surgery should opt for the warranty instead, but BMS replacement is pretty straightforward.
I need a cat like you on my crew my man! Battery builds,mods, or diy outboards has definitely been an interest for me but I already have too much on my hands and not enough time. You definitely know more than most! But yeah that's what I said at the end of the day, it's the individuals $ to do as they please.
Wrong
These bespoke battery formats and their cost are going to prevent widespread adoption. Especially with LiFe prices plummeting the boat tax is extraordinary for the pack capacity they offer.
Newport is the only reasonable option here unless it's a dighy and you need extreme portability.
$680 buys you 3.6 kWh at 36v!
Finally somebody that also gets it lol. Newport has the best concept for future adoption. The proprietary batteries will sky rocket in price as people buy them cause what else are you going to buy lol. With Newport, you get the same performance but also control the type, style, and capacity of the battery you want and you can use that battery for other applications if you so want/need. Shoot, buy three 12v 100ah batteries and you can use them camping, with a normal trolling motor, etc. but then also rig them up for use with this motor on electric only. I hate when something only has one use. Companies should think more broad if they want higher adoption rates of their new products.
Great video and information but I see these electric motors as a waste of money, besides with less than 2 hours of run time it wouldn’t last a half a day on the water especially on a river system. Gas is still way more affordable and you can be out all day and night if you wanted, also if one is camping with no electricity or out for a weekend camping trip these simply wouldn’t have the run time, not even for half of the day.
There's a lot of electric only lakes so it isn't a waste to everyone. Just because it doesn't work or apply to your situation doesn't mean it doesn't work or apply to others. Different outboards and different boats for different situations, not everything in boating is universal or one size fits all. I own both outboards (gas and electric)and use them both depending on what I'm doing, I like them both and they do their job for what I need at that time.
Thank you for sharing! Good information!
Can’t wait for the Mercury 35e reviews
How much does your boat weight?
Nice review, but I don't agree on your design opinions. The NT300 have the best looks of them all, similar to the Torqeedo Cruice lineup. The Mercury looks too massive for such a small engine and the ePropulsion is no visual masterpiece IMO.
It's all good man! I wasn't fond of the styling of the Torqeedo either! To me the Mercury looks the most like a modern day outboard, that's why i like it. Just my opinion!
really? I thought the newport looked like an ugly overgrown trolling motor lol
Great video thanks.
I just read today that the e propulsion was a little over 2000 dollars not long ago. Now almost 3 thousand . That’s just two much money for so little speed and mileage difference over a 55 pound thrust trolling motor.
The cost of everything has went up. Thank the US government. Go to the grocery store, it isn't just outboards. I have used both a trolling motor and an electric outboard, the outboard is far superior but also more money. Up to the individual to make a buying decision based on their needs and budget, I can't knock that. Everyone is different.
Nice overview and comparison, well done!
Best value is a Tohatsu 9.9 four stroke.
Idk how many times I have to say that's not an option on electric only regulated watersheds, but you are probably right from a cost standpoint
No way to fix these digital tillers when they crap out so I like the separate battery. Only one thing to replace
Well technically they all have separate batteries. I know on the ePropulsion you can buy the shaft/tiller separate for 1400. Also, if the actual hand throttle/ lcd screen should even malfunction, that part can be replaced without having to buy and entire new outboard minus battery.
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Nice,straight to the point.
Thank you
thank you.. Great explanationn...!
I appreciate the feedback and support!
Why the hoodie ?
It's a SPF 50 hooded sun shirt. I'm on the water a lot. I like to protect my neck and ears.
Very cool and well done video, im a gasoline guy myself but very interesting to see what’s out there now and you did a great job testing these.
Nice vid, well done. For reference 746 watts is the equivalency of 1hp. So 1000 watts is 1.34hp and 1300 watts is 1.74hp. Not sure how these companies get to say its 3hp equiv. A true 3hp motor would be about 2250 watts.
It's not a direct watt to hp conversion. A gas outboard loses a significant amount of its hp power through the shaft , so you aren't getting 9.9hp to the actual prop when it's the water on a 9.9hp gas outboard. The electric outboards are direct drive and lose almost no power through the shaft , therefore they rate the torque of the prop in comparison to what it would be at the prop for gas. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but I know it's obvious they don't rate on a direct conversion. It doesn't require a direct converted amount of watts to get that torque even to a hp rating that already suffered a lose through shaft. Best i can explain it.
Basically a direct conversion on hp to watts gives 2250 watts on 3hp but because electric is much more efficient and can produce more power in direct drive a 2250 watt outboard would actually be closer to 6 or 7hp equivalent based on the prop power produced. But because gas outboards were first with a hp rating the electric outboard companies have to have a way to rate them properly and base it off power produced at prop over directly converting watt to hp
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats These electric motors being direct drive doesn't matter Conventional name brand outboards like Yamaha, Tohatsu, Mercury etc., are all measured at the prop-shaft, netting out all the drivetrain and water pump losses. It's literally a power at the prop comparison for each (although some electrical outboards give their input wattage rather than the output wattage power at the shaft which muddies comparisons). Electric has a great advantage for torque (acceleration) which is at max when the motor starts, but top speed is pure power and that 1 hp is the same as 746 watts of power. Check the hp/kw ratings on any boat transom that shows both. Anything else is marketing. ;)
Well you sound like the expert so perhaps you start a channel explaining it all! I get hundreds of comments a day and was simply trying to explain it as I understood it but no need, you already have the answer. All good. Literally why I no longer respond to most comments lol.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats I complemented your video and pointed out how manufacturers are overstating the equivalent horsepower. It's a simple conversion. 746 watts is 1hp (or 735.5w for a "metric hp" - that's why you see a Yamaha F100 outboard in Europe rated at 73.5KW). I didn't make this stuff up, and it's no different than converting F to C or lbs to kgs. Canada is full of 10hp/7.4KW boating signs and rules. I like learning things on here and learned from your video. But the point stands, these motors are nowhere near their claimed 3hp equivalency, and are in fact less than 2hp. I wasn't sure if regular outboards were dyno'd at the crank like a car or actually at the prop so I looked it up and now we both know.
Must be something wrong with my computer... all the videos of the boat moving are in slow motion! 😄
If you install a video speed mod and watch it at 3.5x, you could almost mistake them for petrol outboards.
Seriously though, thanks for the review, really useful information :)
Haha, they are very small output outboards! Don't worry, I have some 50hp and 75hp electric outboards coming soon to the channel!
I'm assuming they all double as trolling motors once you start fishing?
Good Job...Thanks !