You are 100% correct. I'm a person with the means to get a new one but holy cow do I not want to pull the trigger, dually prices are up roughly 50% in the last 4 years with no changes other than the effing entertainment system -- I can see why people want an inexpensive quick fix if they want to pull a heavier camper. Thank you Joe Biden!
Perhaps the title of this video should have been called. " How to improve Load/Ride Handling ". You can add/change all the hardware you want but your still limited to Axle Ratings, Tires, etc for payload capacities. Still good info though.
… that’s kind of the point, you can change all the axles and suspension components out with a 1 ton truck or other mess but your still legally limited to the GVWR sticker in the door jam.
I own a land clearing company. Most trucks, like a F250 are rated just under 10 k so you can have a max Trailer of 16 k, so combined you are just under the 26001pound requirement for a CDL. Tats why lots of equipment like skid steers and small excavations keep the weight under 12 k. 10 k truck, 4 k trailer 12 k equipment. Keeps you right at 26000 k. I have been doing this for many years years, have very polished equipment and trucks, use chains, over strap everything. Drive save. And you will not have any I. Never have had any DOT issues. Never get stopped. And the 10 k gvwr only applies to the truck and its payload. Has nothing to do with what you’re towing. Unless you exceed your limit on either truck, or trailer. Or the two combined. Stay under 26000 pounds and you will be fine. It’s really all about weight distribution when hauling. Not about airbags, and all that other stuff nonsense. Cheers
What you say makes perfect sense! But I guess what people usually want is to have the truck a little more stiffer with higher loads, even if still within the payload. For example, let's say the payload of my truck is 600kg (sorry I work with Kgs :) ) but with 500Kg the truck is already so lower that it ocasionally tutches the limit rubber. What we usually wanis the truck to perfom better under that load. In that sense, what can we do? change coils?
Correct , like I said in the video all these products may help with ride quality but they reduce payload not increase it. There’s just some bad information floating around and wanted to help clear the air 👍. Usually if your needing to change components to help the ride under load most likely your getting to close to being over payload.
You can increase payload by adding an actual leaf to your existing springs. My local spring shop states it will increase paylod by around 985lbs. Now that is not a legal increase that would alllow you to carry more not umless you have the vehicle recertified. What it does however is if you are at the max paylod as stated by the factory is give you an additional safety margin so that you are not likely to have anthing break.
Negative, thats incorrect, statement like that is exactly why I made this video, nothing can increase payload accept a recertification by authorized personnel, unless that add-a-leaf is installed and has a recertification and new GVWR sticker installed the only thing those extra leaf spring will do is decrease your payload, until that GVWR changes anything you add to the vehicle takes away payload, not add payload.
Not sure where your info comes from but mine comes from a 100 yr old suspension company that has been building and repairing suspensions on everything from small pikups tp cement mixers to super heavy semis so I think I'll stay with their advice.
@@johntatman9168 NTEA and DOT, GVWR and curb weight determine payload capacity, absolutely nothing else does. Suspension Company no matter how old is still subject to NTEA and DOT.
You are correct but in my state if you alter the suspension to increse these figures the state highway patrol will recertify the vehicle if you want to go that route. It is not cheap and my suspension shop siad it would be better to just buy a 250-350. I do not I merely want the additional safety as a cushion rather then push the vehicle to it's max all the time. @@saltytrips
@@johntatman9168 will that suspension company put that in writing? or in a guarantee? the only way to increase payload is to remove weight from the vehicle. like the video says, components that add weight reduce payload
If you wanted to have a Ford (preferably up to 10K GVWR) with the possibility of refueling with E85, which would do about 60% of its trips empty or with a medium load, and 40-50% of trips with a trailer loaded to 5-7K or 8- 10K, would you choose the F150 with Heavy Duty Payload Package or the F250? Bearing in mind not only the efficiency but also the maximum range (both empty and loaded), the comfort of these short or empty journeys and the comfort of operation, boarding, service, etc.
Watch this ruclips.net/video/bhwQKZSYZcY/видео.htmlsi=yvswr3TDSs99yXPR then leave a comment in that video of what you think, then I’ll let you know what I think.
Thanks, I watched it. Your version of the F150 was equipped with a rear cab and other options and did not have HDPP, so its payload was small (like most F150s), but for example with a single or extended cab and the HDPP package the F150 could have a payload of around 2500 lbs, which is a little closer to for F250. Would you prefer the F150 or the F250 in this configuration? How was it towing the F150 trailer (apart from the payload issue/limitations)?@@saltytrips
@@coolftp i’ll be honest, with the stopping power and stability of the F250 alone, I’ll probably never go back to a 1/2 truck again even if it had a higher payload capacity.
If the sticker on my chevy 2500 says I can bumper pull a 12,000 pound trailer when other 2500's can do 18,500 pounds because I have mud terrain tires and those others have all terrain tires, if I switch my tires out to all terrain I should be okay to theoretically tow an 18,500 trailer right? That's the only thing different I was able to find between my truck and other 2500s
This is from a 'legal' point of view. 'Legally speaking', you cannot increase payload. Practically speaking, and technically speaking, you can. The only difference between a 2500 and a 3500 is the rear suspension. Same axle, same tires, etc.. Just a beefier suspension. If you can add a product to a 2500 that essentially emulates the rear suspension of a 3500, then, technically speaking, you can have the same payload as a 3500. Of course, from a legal point of view, that doesn't hold.
You are being a bit misleading. A better analysis would be 'Although one can add after market products to effectively increase payload, from the point of view of insurance companies, law enforcement, etc, it does not increase payload'. Wouldn't that be a more honest assessment? Companies say their products do not increase payload to protect themselves legally. If one adds additional leaf springs to their 2500 to exactly the specifications of a 3500, then obviously the payload has increased. What am I saying that's inaccurate?
No, I'm not under that impression. Are you saying that if I modified my 2500 rear suspension to match 'exactly' the suspension of a 3500, it would not ride in the same manner as a 3500? Or, to put it another way, suppose I am 200 pounds over my payload. I've decided (for whatever reason), I'm not going to upgrade to a 3500, and I've accepted the legal risks associated with it. What product would you recommend I add to the truck to minimize (but not eliminate) safety concerns.
@@gujyjk9075 i’m saying don’t exceed your GVWR, and the only ones that can change that is a company certified by NTEA that meet certain standards can change GVWR. You can’t do that unless you’re certified by NTEA, are you? I’m not sure how much more clear I can get.
Great video. I have a question if you can help and answer it . I own a Ram 4dr regular 2500 with the power wagon package which reduces the payload and towing. If I were to change suspension components would I have the payload and towing capacity of a regular gas Ram 2500? My case is I think a bit different since it is a actual 2500 and just want the normal numbers of a 2500. Please help, thank you.
It won’t change your GVWR. Unless you take it to a certified entity that is qualified to recertify your GVWR. Tow rating different it’s subject to components as specified by manufacturer. For example, if I had my 3.55 gear swapped for 4.30 gears then my conventional towing would increase by 300lbs and 5th wheel towing would increase by 3,900lbs, but my GVWR would stay the same and I would be way over payload before I would come close to hitting max towing. Hope that clears it up.
@@saltytripsif my max payload is 1920 lbs currently and I have added a lift kit to my truck with 35" tires and upgraded rims and my current ratio is 3.31 can I still tow the factory set max trailer weight of 7000 lbs or not?
@@planchik payload and tow capacity are two different things. The lift kit and bigger tires will reduce your payload by however much those components add to the weigh of your truck. As far as tow capacity, lifting and bigger tires will definitely increase the stresses on all your components which would decrease your trucks ability to tow that same amount safely. As far as legally how much would it be allowed to tow, i try to steer clear of any “legal” advice for liability reasons. Be safe and use good judgment 👍
@@saltytrips thank you, i appreciate your response and good information provided. i went and weighed my truck on a CAT scale, so knowing what my GVWR is and substracting the actual weight, i'm about 400 or so pounds lower in my load capacity. those wheels and tires are no joke haha
unless you can put another sticker inside of the door frame, you cannot change your payload....legally. if their were a legal way to change truck payload capacity, then you would be going through at least a few government agencies inspections etc.
Some of this is like the more Leaf springs you have(like f250 to 350) coinciding with the strength front springs, the more the payload. Anything pushing up on the frame increases the weight of the truck and does not take away from the pay load.
Incorrect, any weight you add to the truck takes away from payload. GVWR minus curb weight equals payload, anything to increase curb weight subtracts from payload. Only way to increase payload is to have vehicle modified and GVWR re-certified by NTEA authorization. Legally Curb weight can not exceed GVWR.
I think most of you are over thinking things. I've been adding coilovers and extra leaf to my trucks for a long minute because I OCCASIONALLY need some extra payload for shorter distances, typically not more than a 1000 pounds over rated payload. A good set of coilovers have always made the biggest difference in this context. With that said, if you plan on regularly going over your rated payload and for long distances then you need to step it up. (Bigger axles, more lugs, better cooling, etc) For example, if you plan on getting that bed camper you want and say, it's 1500 pound over your payload, adding just coilovers, bags and/or a leaf probably not a good idea. We live in an imperfect world, just use some common sense folks. Cheers.
Suggesting going over payload in any scenario is never good advice. This way of thinking is exactly why I made this video. Wether on not you believe GVWR and payload are just some arbitrary made up government ploy they still have legal ramifications, and exceeding those parameters are illegal and could be hazardous advice.
@@saltytrips I wasn't suggesting anything, but I clearly implied using common sense. I get it your a 'by the book guy' 100 percent but not everyone weighs their truck every time they fart and go to Lowes or occasionally haul a load of gravel/dirt, sod...etc. We gauge it by general knowledge, squat and like I said, common sense. I'm not saying throw your book and ratings out the window but you might calm down a little.
People over load their trucks all the time, how do I know this? Because I see it. Unfortunately, not everyone is like you and It is a fools errand to think you could change that. With that said, I am all about ratings and the book but I also would be remiss if I didn't preach common sense because people are people. /watch?v=fMvVXrABa2E&t=334s Exhibit 'A' Comments?
You can increases the payload of your truck in multiple ways. It is not end all be all. If it was, then there would not be a 1500, 2500, and 3500 that all look the same with the same frames.
Nope, thats completely wrong, that incorrect thinking is the exact reason I made this video. There is only one way you can increase your payload, that is to have your GVWR recertification by authorized personal that complies with NTEA regulatory specifications. No other methods can legally change your GVWR which determines payload.
Ahh that makes sense. So I can get a sticker that says I can tow 5x what my current sticker says, and without any upgrades to my truck, that makes it true? I guess stickers add horsepower and payload capacity. I understand that you have to say that "legally" part. But physically in the real, payload is increased with parts.@@saltytrips
@@sketchyunicornslab incorrect again, you can’t change the sticker yourself unless your an authorized personnel that complies with NTEA regulatory specifications, Someone that is, will modify with parts then they apply the appropriate new GVWR to the vehicle and they assume responsibility for the new GVWR and insure all components are able to comply with the new GVWR. Simply swapping out 3/4 ton springs with 1 ton springs as an individual does nothing to change the GVWR there for would reduce your payload capacity because the 1 ton springs weigh more, not increase it. . Yes I say “legally” because that is all that matters and is what forms the basis for having these numbers in the first place. Thanks for watching 👍😁.
I just had this feeling you were going to get to the cold hard facts later in the video as I wouldn't doubt that there would be a number of people out there who would not think of that aspect and the sales gimmick of the product cloud the truth of the matter and the couple you used in the demo, was that by chance a video promoting a product that they got for free ?. I realize in the states there are some strange rules state by state that push people into buying an under rated truck ( or at least the sticker numbers ) to avoid the much higher licensing fees or get into the category of being required to have a CDL if they pull anything that is deemed a business rather than a personal RV or toy trailer. I don't have a clue what Florida's regulations are in that regard, if there would have been a penalty/roadblock for you having bought a single wheel 1 ton instead for example rather than the 3/4 ton.
I’m pretty sure they said in the video the Timbrens where free but it wasn’t a “paid promotion”. I know some states have higher taxes on vehicles over 10,000 GVWR. I would have got a 1 ton if I could have found one with what I wanted that wasn’t $80k+. This 3/4 has enough payload for the 5th wheel RV we want to get. One thing I’ve noticed joining a lot of these RV Facebook pages is that most of the people on there are way over payload and have no idea what payload is.
@@saltytrips Yes taxes would be another one, that and licensing/insurance rates variables so it seems prudent to find out those details before making a major vehicle purchase. As to the overloading theme, sometimes the vehicle was bought first and then they shop for an RV and end up with too heavy of a unit vs figuring out what RV they want first, then shopping for the truck that is capable rather than marginal to pull it with. Also some RV dealers ( the sales department ) telling the customer they can pull xyz with their half ton truck because they already own it and the sales person wants to make that commission on the sale rather than point out the problem and have that customer walk out and buy a unit elsewhere. There's a reason why sales can get a bad rap, I would NOT be cut out to be in sales !
@@charlesb4267 … that’s definitely a big problem in the RV sales, we see some really bad accidents because over payload. I highlight some of these on my Salty Trips Facebook page and RUclips shorts.
You are 100% correct. I'm a person with the means to get a new one but holy cow do I not want to pull the trigger, dually prices are up roughly 50% in the last 4 years with no changes other than the effing entertainment system -- I can see why people want an inexpensive quick fix if they want to pull a heavier camper. Thank you Joe Biden!
I increased my payload by putting the wife on a diet.
Now I can add more cases of beer to my box
🤣😂👏👏
You want to legit increase payload by a little bit. Take off factory running boards, tailgate, and get some lighter wheels and tires 😉👍
You CAN increase your Payload if you reduce the truck weight.
Exactly
If I take the stock bed off and put on a flat bed will that increase my payload?
I had air bags on 2 trucks, now I have timbrens. The timbrens are working well and I don't have to think about them. Just hook up and go.
Tombrens save a lot more weight too on payload compared to having a compressor and tank along with the airbags.
Perhaps the title of this video should have been called. " How to improve Load/Ride Handling ". You can add/change all the hardware you want but your still limited to Axle Ratings, Tires, etc for payload capacities.
Still good info though.
… that’s kind of the point, you can change all the axles and suspension components out with a 1 ton truck or other mess but your still legally limited to the GVWR sticker in the door jam.
I own a land clearing company. Most trucks, like a F250 are rated just under 10 k so you can have a max Trailer of 16 k, so combined you are just under the 26001pound requirement for a CDL. Tats why lots of equipment like skid steers and small excavations keep the weight under 12 k. 10 k truck, 4 k trailer 12 k equipment. Keeps you right at 26000 k. I have been doing this for many years years, have very polished equipment and trucks, use chains, over strap everything. Drive save. And you will not have any I. Never have had any DOT issues. Never get stopped. And the 10 k gvwr only applies to the truck and its payload. Has nothing to do with what you’re towing. Unless you exceed your limit on either truck, or trailer. Or the two combined. Stay under 26000 pounds and you will be fine. It’s really all about weight distribution when hauling. Not about airbags, and all that other stuff nonsense. Cheers
What you say makes perfect sense!
But I guess what people usually want is to have the truck a little more stiffer with higher loads, even if still within the payload.
For example, let's say the payload of my truck is 600kg (sorry I work with Kgs :) ) but with 500Kg the truck is already so lower that it ocasionally tutches the limit rubber. What we usually wanis the truck to perfom better under that load. In that sense, what can we do? change coils?
Correct , like I said in the video all these products may help with ride quality but they reduce payload not increase it. There’s just some bad information floating around and wanted to help clear the air 👍. Usually if your needing to change components to help the ride under load most likely your getting to close to being over payload.
You can increase payload by adding an actual leaf to your existing springs. My local spring shop states it will increase paylod by around 985lbs. Now that is not a legal increase that would alllow you to carry more not umless you have the vehicle recertified. What it does however is if you are at the max paylod as stated by the factory is give you an additional safety margin so that you are not likely to have anthing break.
Negative, thats incorrect, statement like that is exactly why I made this video, nothing can increase payload accept a recertification by authorized personnel, unless that add-a-leaf is installed and has a recertification and new GVWR sticker installed the only thing those extra leaf spring will do is decrease your payload, until that GVWR changes anything you add to the vehicle takes away payload, not add payload.
Not sure where your info comes from but mine comes from a 100 yr old suspension company that has been building and repairing suspensions on everything from small pikups tp cement mixers to super heavy semis so I think I'll stay with their advice.
@@johntatman9168 NTEA and DOT, GVWR and curb weight determine payload capacity, absolutely nothing else does. Suspension Company no matter how old is still subject to NTEA and DOT.
You are correct but in my state if you alter the suspension to increse these figures the state highway patrol will recertify the vehicle if you want to go that route. It is not cheap and my suspension shop siad it would be better to just buy a 250-350. I do not I merely want the additional safety as a cushion rather then push the vehicle to it's max all the time. @@saltytrips
@@johntatman9168 will that suspension company put that in writing? or in a guarantee? the only way to increase payload is to remove weight from the vehicle. like the video says, components that add weight reduce payload
I had timbrens on my f150, they work well when loaded, but when empty and you hit a big bump they will jar you when they contact the axle.
Legally and for insurance purposes, you can’t. Only the manufacturer can.
Exactly my point
Timbrens work great
If you wanted to have a Ford (preferably up to 10K GVWR) with the possibility of refueling with E85, which would do about 60% of its trips empty or with a medium load, and 40-50% of trips with a trailer loaded to 5-7K or 8- 10K, would you choose the F150 with Heavy Duty Payload Package or the F250?
Bearing in mind not only the efficiency but also the maximum range (both empty and loaded), the comfort of these short or empty journeys and the comfort of operation, boarding, service, etc.
Watch this ruclips.net/video/bhwQKZSYZcY/видео.htmlsi=yvswr3TDSs99yXPR then leave a comment in that video of what you think, then I’ll let you know what I think.
Thanks, I watched it. Your version of the F150 was equipped with a rear cab and other options and did not have HDPP, so its payload was small (like most F150s), but for example with a single or extended cab and the HDPP package the F150 could have a payload of around 2500 lbs, which is a little closer to for F250. Would you prefer the F150 or the F250 in this configuration? How was it towing the F150 trailer (apart from the payload issue/limitations)?@@saltytrips
@@coolftp i’ll be honest, with the stopping power and stability of the F250 alone, I’ll probably never go back to a 1/2 truck again even if it had a higher payload capacity.
Thanks for the answer! :-)@@saltytrips
I almost came here and had a fit!
I had a Chevy 1500 and had an extra leaf spring to make it a 3/4 ton. Had a company do it and it worked great
Did they re-certify the GVWR and add the new sticker to your door jam?
Only the manufacturers can do a recertification and put new sticker on
If the sticker on my chevy 2500 says I can bumper pull a 12,000 pound trailer when other 2500's can do 18,500 pounds because I have mud terrain tires and those others have all terrain tires, if I switch my tires out to all terrain I should be okay to theoretically tow an 18,500 trailer right? That's the only thing different I was able to find between my truck and other 2500s
@@M-zn8uh I would not tow more than what the manufacturers rating for that vehicle is.
You can do all that but legally it doesnt increase your load rating. The police will go by your sticker on your door and vin#.
That’s what I said
This is from a 'legal' point of view. 'Legally speaking', you cannot increase payload. Practically speaking, and technically speaking, you can. The only difference between a 2500 and a 3500 is the rear suspension. Same axle, same tires, etc.. Just a beefier suspension. If you can add a product to a 2500 that essentially emulates the rear suspension of a 3500, then, technically speaking, you can have the same payload as a 3500. Of course, from a legal point of view, that doesn't hold.
Technically you can put wings on it and call it an airplane 🤔
You are being a bit misleading. A better analysis would be 'Although one can add after market products to effectively increase payload, from the point of view of insurance companies, law enforcement, etc, it does not increase payload'. Wouldn't that be a more honest assessment? Companies say their products do not increase payload to protect themselves legally. If one adds additional leaf springs to their 2500 to exactly the specifications of a 3500, then obviously the payload has increased. What am I saying that's inaccurate?
@@gujyjk9075 not misleading, pretty cut and dry. Are you under the impression you can change your GVWR?
No, I'm not under that impression. Are you saying that if I modified my 2500 rear suspension to match 'exactly' the suspension of a 3500, it would not ride in the same manner as a 3500?
Or, to put it another way, suppose I am 200 pounds over my payload. I've decided (for whatever reason), I'm not going to upgrade to a 3500, and I've accepted the legal risks associated with it. What product would you recommend I add to the truck to minimize (but not eliminate) safety concerns.
@@gujyjk9075 i’m saying don’t exceed your GVWR, and the only ones that can change that is a company certified by NTEA that meet certain standards can change GVWR. You can’t do that unless you’re certified by NTEA, are you? I’m not sure how much more clear I can get.
Great video. I have a question if you can help and answer it . I own a Ram 4dr regular 2500 with the power wagon package which reduces the payload and towing. If I were to change suspension components would I have the payload and towing capacity of a regular gas Ram 2500? My case is I think a bit different since it is a actual 2500 and just want the normal numbers of a 2500. Please help, thank you.
It won’t change your GVWR. Unless you take it to a certified entity that is qualified to recertify your GVWR. Tow rating different it’s subject to components as specified by manufacturer. For example, if I had my 3.55 gear swapped for 4.30 gears then my conventional towing would increase by 300lbs and 5th wheel towing would increase by 3,900lbs, but my GVWR would stay the same and I would be way over payload before I would come close to hitting max towing. Hope that clears it up.
@@saltytripsif my max payload is 1920 lbs currently and I have added a lift kit to my truck with 35" tires and upgraded rims and my current ratio is 3.31 can I still tow the factory set max trailer weight of 7000 lbs or not?
@@planchik payload and tow capacity are two different things. The lift kit and bigger tires will reduce your payload by however much those components add to the weigh of your truck. As far as tow capacity, lifting and bigger tires will definitely increase the stresses on all your components which would decrease your trucks ability to tow that same amount safely. As far as legally how much would it be allowed to tow, i try to steer clear of any “legal” advice for liability reasons. Be safe and use good judgment 👍
@@saltytrips thank you, i appreciate your response and good information provided. i went and weighed my truck on a CAT scale, so knowing what my GVWR is and substracting the actual weight, i'm about 400 or so pounds lower in my load capacity. those wheels and tires are no joke haha
@@planchik here’s a video you might want to check out too, very informative ruclips.net/video/vOGn-nNB3qk/видео.htmlsi=BiqWMWobVLr8H5F0
unless you can put another sticker inside of the door frame, you cannot change your payload....legally. if their were a legal way to change truck payload capacity, then you would be going through at least a few government agencies inspections etc.
Did you even watch the video?
Some of this is like the more Leaf springs you have(like f250 to 350) coinciding with the strength front springs, the more the payload. Anything pushing up on the frame increases the weight of the truck and does not take away from the pay load.
Incorrect, any weight you add to the truck takes away from payload. GVWR minus curb weight equals payload, anything to increase curb weight subtracts from payload. Only way to increase payload is to have vehicle modified and GVWR re-certified by NTEA authorization. Legally Curb weight can not exceed GVWR.
My 2015 6.2 f250 carried 2 yards of crushed rock many times And boy did it feel like there was nothing there. 😮
I think most of you are over thinking things. I've been adding coilovers and extra leaf to my trucks for a long minute because I OCCASIONALLY need some extra payload for shorter distances, typically not more than a 1000 pounds over rated payload. A good set of coilovers have always made the biggest difference in this context.
With that said, if you plan on regularly going over your rated payload and for long distances then you need to step it up. (Bigger axles, more lugs, better cooling, etc) For example, if you plan on getting that bed camper you want and say, it's 1500 pound over your payload, adding just coilovers, bags and/or a leaf probably not a good idea.
We live in an imperfect world, just use some common sense folks.
Cheers.
Suggesting going over payload in any scenario is never good advice. This way of thinking is exactly why I made this video. Wether on not you believe GVWR and payload are just some arbitrary made up government ploy they still have legal ramifications, and exceeding those parameters are illegal and could be hazardous advice.
@@saltytrips I wasn't suggesting anything, but I clearly implied using common sense.
I get it your a 'by the book guy' 100 percent but not everyone weighs their truck every time they fart and go to Lowes or occasionally haul a load of gravel/dirt, sod...etc. We gauge it by general knowledge, squat and like I said, common sense.
I'm not saying throw your book and ratings out the window but you might calm down a little.
@@SirtubalotTX common sense is not to exceed your GVWR, thanks for watching
People over load their trucks all the time, how do I know this? Because I see it.
Unfortunately, not everyone is like you and It is a fools errand to think you could change that. With that said, I am all about ratings and the book but I also would be remiss if I didn't preach common sense because people are people.
/watch?v=fMvVXrABa2E&t=334s
Exhibit 'A' Comments?
You can increases the payload of your truck in multiple ways. It is not end all be all. If it was, then there would not be a 1500, 2500, and 3500 that all look the same with the same frames.
Nope, thats completely wrong, that incorrect thinking is the exact reason I made this video. There is only one way you can increase your payload, that is to have your GVWR recertification by authorized personal that complies with NTEA regulatory specifications. No other methods can legally change your GVWR which determines payload.
Ahh that makes sense. So I can get a sticker that says I can tow 5x what my current sticker says, and without any upgrades to my truck, that makes it true?
I guess stickers add horsepower and payload capacity.
I understand that you have to say that "legally" part. But physically in the real, payload is increased with parts.@@saltytrips
@@sketchyunicornslab incorrect again, you can’t change the sticker yourself unless your an authorized personnel that complies with NTEA regulatory specifications, Someone that is, will modify with parts then they apply the appropriate new GVWR to the vehicle and they assume responsibility for the new GVWR and insure all components are able to comply with the new GVWR. Simply swapping out 3/4 ton springs with 1 ton springs as an individual does nothing to change the GVWR there for would reduce your payload capacity because the 1 ton springs weigh more, not increase it. . Yes I say “legally” because that is all that matters and is what forms the basis for having these numbers in the first place. Thanks for watching 👍😁.
My 02 ranger regularly hauls 2000lb loads, maybe I should put some of these upgrades on lol
Timbrens only weigh 6 pounds
@@mikemccarthy6939 6 lbs each so -12 lb of payload
I just had this feeling you were going to get to the cold hard facts later in the video as I wouldn't doubt that there would be a number of people out there who would not think of that aspect and the sales gimmick of the product cloud the truth of the matter and the couple you used in the demo, was that by chance a video promoting a product that they got for free ?. I realize in the states there are some strange rules state by state that push people into buying an under rated truck ( or at least the sticker numbers ) to avoid the much higher licensing fees or get into the category of being required to have a CDL if they pull anything that is deemed a business rather than a personal RV or toy trailer. I don't have a clue what Florida's regulations are in that regard, if there would have been a penalty/roadblock for you having bought a single wheel 1 ton instead for example rather than the 3/4 ton.
I’m pretty sure they said in the video the Timbrens where free but it wasn’t a “paid promotion”. I know some states have higher taxes on vehicles over 10,000 GVWR. I would have got a 1 ton if I could have found one with what I wanted that wasn’t $80k+. This 3/4 has enough payload for the 5th wheel RV we want to get. One thing I’ve noticed joining a lot of these RV Facebook pages is that most of the people on there are way over payload and have no idea what payload is.
@@saltytrips Yes taxes would be another one, that and licensing/insurance rates variables so it seems prudent to find out those details before making a major vehicle purchase. As to the overloading theme, sometimes the vehicle was bought first and then they shop for an RV and end up with too heavy of a unit vs figuring out what RV they want first, then shopping for the truck that is capable rather than marginal to pull it with. Also some RV dealers ( the sales department ) telling the customer they can pull xyz with their half ton truck because they already own it and the sales person wants to make that commission on the sale rather than point out the problem and have that customer walk out and buy a unit elsewhere. There's a reason why sales can get a bad rap, I would NOT be cut out to be in sales !
@@charlesb4267 … that’s definitely a big problem in the RV sales, we see some really bad accidents because over payload. I highlight some of these on my Salty Trips Facebook page and RUclips shorts.