Faith Without Works is Dead
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Growing up in the Deep South,I was surrounded by a LOT of people who believed once saved, always saved, which I always thought was insane, even as a kid.
Kids understand some things better than adults. "Once saved, always saved"...."I'm saved, are you?"....such utter, dangerous rubbish.
It doesn't make sense. I often ask the question, "so that means you could murder all the people around you any time, not repent and you'd still be saved?". Invariably, I don't get a response.
Faith must be simultaneously do actions of love through charity inorder to have an active faith and not a dead faith. It must be with FAITH AND DO GOOD WORKS TO PLEASE AND MAKE GOD HAPPY.
Look up chastened. Being saved doesn’t mean free from consequence.
@@elizabethong5583 in that order because one produces the other and conversely the latter is not possible without the former.
Dr Pitre is always so clear & easy to understand when he teaches. Thank you for this video. 🙏🙏🙏
Matt 25: 31-46 always comes to mind on this debate. Clearly Christ taught that faith without works is dead, and that works are essential for those who believe.
Be ye not hearers only, but DOERS of the word.
Yes, we don’t separate Faith and Works.
Yes, and that's why you are 100% LOST. Your fatal flaw is trusting in BOTH your faith and works to save you, when in fact you ought to trust in the merits of Christ ALONE, and only thennnnnn do as many works as you like, "storing up for yourselves treasures in heaven" as Jesus said would be the result (not to GET INTO heaven, as the Pope teaches). Hence, because you are pinning your hopes for heaven on your charitable deeds, (CCC 1821), all Catholics are LOST, from the Pope down to the pauper in the pew.
@@eucharistangel4662 I wouldn’t pass judgment like that. I’m a Protestant btw, but Paul does say that faith works itself out in love (Galatians 5:6) and that faith leads unto good works (Ephesians 2:8-10). They are not holding to works apart from faith, but works from faith. That’s how Luther eventually came to sola fide. You are looking at their works in a stereotypical “I have to do works and earn my way to heaven” but that is not the Catholic view, at least not anymore. If you abide in your faith, that faith must produce change in your life in how you walk and love God (by loving Jesus the Son as you do the Father) and love others.
Also, we cannot say that all Catholics are automatically lost. We do not know the state of their faith before Jesus in practice. Remember that not all Catholics actually are taking the approach that you are stating. Most are, but you cannot assume that everyone is doing that, some Catholics are truly saved. God will judge us on a person-by-person basis so I think it’s worth keeping that in mind, also for ourselves if we are so comfortable damning everyone in a denomination that we don’t agree with.
@@eucharistangel4662 saving faith MUST produce works (works of love for God, not works out of human effort) or it is not saving faith. It’s that simple. That is the biblical and Protestant motto.
@@eucharistangel4662 put it this way. What way can you tell if someone’s faith in Jesus is genuine? By how that faith impacts your life. Does that faith spur you to repentance and to love? Then that is salvation by grace through faith. If it’s a simple “I have faith in Jesus now I can do whatever I want, and be saved” without any change in heart, you are not saved. Period.
Which we don’t know what people’s lives are like and in what state their works are coming from, from human merit or by grace through their faith. So that’s why we let God be the judge if we cannot see what fruits may be produced in their lives, and why we pray for mercy and grace for ourselves. And the same measure that we judge others, God will judge us likemanner,
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Works is not hiding your candle (Faith) under the table so no one sees it!
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love the simplicity and ease of explanation. I hope this will reach our protestant brethren
Looks like Luther started a church without being educated. Great video
The primary motivation for the reform was corruption within the church. The worst sin of all is to cause others to lose their faith.
If you read about his life - wow!! Not a good man.
Only Jesus can found a Church. Luther founded the protestant CULTS.
@@MrElvis1971it was a satanic revolt against the mystical body of Christ on earth the holy Catholic Church. You reform inside via the infallible Magisterium. Martin Luther went to far and was inspired by Satan out of pride.
@marybeth1747 then why are you reading about his life. Read about the lives of the Saints instead.
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Amen! Wonderful faith in Malawi!
Thank you so much, Brandt. I almost ignored the email and went about my day, and I thought, "I should listen"(!) I am so very very glad I did. Your teachings always amaze me and I always go away with so much to ponder and use in my life. May God richly bless your ministry, and again, I thank you & thank God for you.
Thank You 🙏 God Bless you
Decaf Coffee is like Faith without Works. It’s Dead ☕️
Simply beautiful!
As far as I know, what Protestants (the ones I know) believe is yes, you must do good works because how can you say you are a child of God if your fruit is evil? How can you grow if you don't work on spiritual disciplines? But what saves a person is Jesus' life, death and resurrection. Work out your salvation yes, but can you really say you can work for your salvation? Sometimes, I think we get lost in semantics.
Personally, I hope Christians, especially Catholics can be more loving and patient towards others and stop being so condescending. I was raised protestant and it took me a while to get into Catholicism because whenever I asked questions, a lot of Catholics just looked down on me, as if my faith in Jesus was worthless and invalid because I wasn't Catholic. But whatever. I believe and trust in the grace and mercy of the Lord. I'm a sinner but His Divine Mercy is greater than my sins. I thank God that He let me be raised in a Protestant family so I can be more empathic towards others who have the same background and are now interested in Catholicism. I still love my Protestant church family and I know many Protestants who lead Christ-centered lives.
I live in a country where majority of the population is Catholic. But many including my parents are leaving the Catholic Church because there's not enough effort put into teaching. Most Catholics here don't know much about the faith. Catholicism is more of a culture than actual religion. I remember when I was younger, whenever we had school programs and the teacher would ask someone to lead the opening prayer, it would almost always be a protestant student who would pray for the class because the Catholic students didn't know how to pray.
Anyway, I thank God for these Catholic YT channels. I can only attend online mass so they are great blessings. I'm also really thankful for Fr. Mike's Bible and Cathecism in a Year podcast. I just started this January 1st and it's helping me a lot.
Thank you for posting such a thoughtful response. God bless you and your family.
This is what charity in truth sounds like. Thank you for your loving testimony of a faith lived.
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Thank you for including readings from Saints Augustine and Bede.
Thanks, Dr. Pitre. I’ve had this discussion with my sister, who was raised Catholic but left the church years ago for a Protestant religion. I couldn’t explain it as well, but I will forward this video to her in hopes that she watches it.
They usually don’t. They use Paul’s definition in Romans to define their “faith alone” theory. No matter how clear it’s outlined.
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Romans 2:5-11 is pretty clear that deeds matter, I'm not sure how they miss that.
@@sliglusamelius8578 It's pretty easy as they pick and choose only what suits their specific agenda. I've seen several different takes on this e.g. it's God's work on us, through our faith we do good works etc. It's rather frustrating to see they choose to disregard all else written and yet, they tell us strongly that they pay attention to the word of the bible. Sheesh! Go figure. 🤷♂
Thank you Dr ,I didn't know that the Venerable Bede had written about this topic.
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De.Pitre, again, excellent explanation! Greetings from an evangelical brother.
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Martin Luther, one of the founders of Protestantism was the one to introduce the doctrine of “sola fide” or “faith alone” which was his and other’s interpretation of the Bible during the time of the reformation. He even translated his own Bible from Greek to German and when he translated Romans 3:28 he added “alone” “man is justified by faith alone” when there was no word for alone found in the Greek version.
get out of here faith alone is all through out romans and Ephesians both, its in the 1611 kjv and the Genieva bible the issue is that Catholics follow the wrong apostle and the wrong message , they deny there's 2 messages and they mix match the scriptures however they like instead of rightly dividing the scriptures (2timothy2:15 kjv)they wrongly mash together the scriptures! read all of romans at least the first 5 chapters
Romans 3:21-28 kjv
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
grace of God, faith of man APART from ourselves, not of works! if its not of works, not of ourselves the only thing left is faith , so yes the words faith alone is not there but what does Paul mean by faith not OF OURSELVES, NOT OF WORKS!???
As always, thanks Dr. Pittre. I believe Christ covers this Faith and Works topic in the Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man. The Rich Man having a good knowledge of Father Abraham and God (Faith) but his indifference to the suffering of Lazarus (No Works) landed him a place in Hell. It is quite clear this way, Christ's teaching.
Thanks Dr for your clear teaching.
Faith should transform you and make you cooperate with God to do good to this world. Faith is not a 'feel good' experience.
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All protestants say that faith saves and the bible says faith alone and this amd that. Yes. The bible does say faith saves. Nowhere. NOWHERE does it say faith alone. Literally no where.
Ephesians 2:4 KJV "But GOD, who is rich in mercy, for HIS great love wherewith HE loved us, 5 even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us (made us alive) together with CHRIST, by grace you are saved; 8 For by grace you are saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast."
Note: By grace through faith not of works so my question to you is if no works like GOD says here then what stands with grace through faith??? Nothing, therefore grace and faith each stand alone.
@@jacktracy8356 yup. Saved. Where does it say ALONE next to that word? Still searching for that one. No. They do not stand alone. "For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” Don't stop short in Ephesians 2:9. Go on to 2:10.
That's talking about having if U do good works without Christ U can't be saved it doesn't say faith alone or without doing good works it just saying you need Christ when U do anything otherwise your not saved. You still gotta do good
@@travisgray8376 He is an obsessive-compulsive troll. Others have reported him hundreds of times for harassment and insults.
Well only in Luther's new Bible.
God bless you Brant and this channel. This is so helpfull.
Thank you for this explanation.
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Thank you
Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commands! It’s always about love with Jesus! Ephesians 2:8-9 for by grace you are saved through faith, it is the gift of God. The works comes as a result of love. If you work to earn Gods favor you have returned to the law!
Thank you Dr. Pitre. Excellent video. I learned a lot today about taking scripture out of context and how the Catholic Church is the right authority to interpret it. Thankfully God gave us Spiritual and Corporal Works Of Mercy in the Bible to help us understand what the inspired authors are saying.
Only true faith justifies.
Does only sitting in a pew every Sunday count as works? I say yes!
26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.
James 2:26 RSV-CE
Faith saves! Works brings rewards and crowns in heaven! No works - no rewards or crowns!
I think it works more like you have faith in Jesus. This will turn into works because you love Jesus because you love your neighbor as yourself. Many talks of Jesus allude to this fact.
There was a good story of a woman who died during covid. She went to heaven and was given her award. Her faith made her save a man from killing himself after the Holy Spirit told her to tell him the gospel. That man became a pastor and led many to heaven, which jesus gave her her award based on that one work. She was sent back to take care of her child.
Jesus says you must feed and clothe the poor; sounds like works to me
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
@ TomiAnneTimm True, but which law? The law of the Judaisers, or the eternal law of God, to love God and to love your neighbour as onesel?
I’m Protestant as well, but there is more nuance to this tbh. Saving faith must produce good works of love (1 Corinthians 13, Galatians 5:6, James 2), or it is dead. If you believe in Jesus then it will change how you live your life. That’s literally it. You will, by gods grace, stop walking in sin because of your faith. And this change is not from you, but is by the grace of God granted by faith. And so God gets all the glory.
@@samueljennings4809 Why do you assume I'm Protestant? and why do you write "god" for "God"? Why are you not more fearful, or better yet loving, when speaking for the Father of lights? You begin with, "True, but..." Get thee behind me, Satan.
AMEN!!!
John 6:29 says the only work God gives us to do….is to believe! So, God credits works to us for simply believing!
So you wanna add "alone" in this passage as well? 😢
Yes, but you accept one passage of the bible but not another? I dont know what they call that, but it doesn't seem right.
I think the point of placing both James and Paul's epistles in the Bible. Was to show that the first Christians had different opinions.
If Luther had that wrong, what else he got wrong?
Faith alone, Grace alone, Bible alone are no longer alone...
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Faith can be dead….Faith can be alive……a burning candle…..it’s lit….it’s shining! But put it under a table…..who would know? Take your glowing candle (faith) and put it in the window for all to see! Wow! A Glowing (Alive Faith) Candle!
Catholic Study Bible
7 Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
9 And let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart.
10 So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all men, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.
Galatians 6:7-10 RSV-CE
Yes you can have faith and sit in a pew for 50 years….don’t say anything….not even “Jesus is Lord!” It’s better to make your faith a living faith….share the faith, sing, volunteer, do something! This is the undead faith!
At the end, we are judged before God.
Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.
This is why luther wanted the book of james to be removed and even revelation.
Yep
Catholic Study Bible
5 But by your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
6 For he will render to every man according to his works:
7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
Romans 2:5-7 RSV-CE
So my sin can “unsave me”
Wow thanks for this.
I always thought Jesus sacrifice was strong enough to hold me. I did not know the power of sin is greater than the power to save.
lol fr. The Old Testament salvation was based off works as a means to get to paradise(not heaven). So works weren’t even enough to get a man into glory. It wasn’t until Christs sacrifice that we obtained salvation and faith in him. He went through all that just so things could remain the same and we have to work our way into heaven as if his death not being sufficient? They want to talk about heresy, but how blasphemous to think that the sacrifice of Christ were not enough to save us alone. The truth of the Bible is that we can’t keep the law perfectly. It’s impossible. Works cannot save a man and the law was put into place to show us that and it worked as a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ and allow us to see how helpless we really are and in need of a Saviour. Without the law we wouldn’t know that our works were insufficient and we would be boastful that we being evil can save ourselves. After salvation our purpose is to do good works, but works aren’t necessary to stay saved. The only thing a saved person can lose is rewards at the judgment seat of Christ, and effectiveness when witnessing due to bad testimony with a sinful life. But by Gods grace and faith alone we will make it through.
@@3arthQuakeJake you saw straight through my sarcasm haha. Your words ring true brother. God always wanted to deal with us the way He did Abraham, BY FAITH. the best part is when he cut the covenant with Abraham, He made Abraham FALL ASLEEP lol, in other words, "you rest ill take it from here" Paul said " For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins." Notice Paul does not say 'If it worked they would have stopped sinning. He says "they would not have felt GUILTY" all through Hebrews 10 he talks about how its our conscience of sin that is wicked, Because SIN has already been dealt with, to bring it back up is to say Jesus failed. God even said Himself "I will remember their sin no more" (In prophecy) If God is not consumed by our sin why should I be? The holy Spirit is enough to keep me on track where i fail. I know a false prophet when i finish listening and I feel like I need to DO something to clean my life up, But a good shepherd will always reveal and show you JESUS, not your own wickedness.
The act of sinning is a rejection of God's love. If you freely choose to sin that means you are rejecting salvation, you are rejecting His love and mercy. Well unless you're in heaven then you'd stop sinning completely but while walking on the earth, you can fall, you can lose your way, you can always choose to throw the gift of salvation you once had yes christians still have freewill to walk the right path or to walk away. While others can't take the gift of grace away from you, you can reject it by freely choosing to live in sin.
@@jmdionishow I believe you are incorrect. Sin is not rejection of Gods love, it is an archery term used when the archer “misses the mark” the mark being the mosaic Law. How can we miss a mark of a Law that has been fulfilled and not abolished? Sin is only an issue to you not to God, there is no accuser left in heaven accusing you to God. Paul said “you have made enemies of God IN YOUR MIND” not your sin has made you enemies. Immoral behaviour is not spiritual sin. Adam and Eve sinned against God SPIRITUALLY but Cain was IMMORAL toward his brother in the flesh. Cain did not sin even though he murdered, because there was no law telling him not to murder, or the devil would have said that to eve “kill Adam”, but he did not instead he made them Go against the commandment of “don’t eat”
Sin is a human condition that God took care of 2024 years ago on the cross. When you dwell on your sin you trample His sacrifice by bringing up something that is dead. Again yes you can behave immorally but immoral behaviour is not who you are and it does not disqualify salvation.
Read the story of Lazarus and the,rich man
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yes...works befitting your repentance...your return to Him...and His work...putting on His yoke which He gives you...not man and his traditions no matter how old or many councils voted on the new doctrines developed...reject the yokes of peer pressure...
by their fruits you will know them...yours to not match the root and trunk we've been grafted into...
The most confused words by Protestants " Ye are saved by Grace through Faith " not off your works to mean " Faith has its works within " that Protestants made it into " Faith Only" that James specifically says is not, for the reason Martin Luther rejected James cause it was a hinderance to his erranous view of redemption,
It's also to the question "What specifically Constitute the Faith " ,?
Now , that which specifically constitute the Faith is its works & specific to the works are the TWO COMMANDMENTS OF LOVE namely Love thy God & Love thy Brethren (for in these two Commandments hang the law & the prophets)
This exactly is what the Bronze Image of St Peter in Peters Basilica denote " The two Commandments of Love that hang in the two keys of heaven , the Universal Doctrine or rather the Faith of the Church,
Unto Peter commanded he " Feed my Sheep (followers) / Lambs (Martyrs)" but reveals what specifically the Food is -- the Faith ,
"Pick up. your crosses daily & follow me" , amounts to following the Two Commandments of Love,
Revelations : The Elect of God who keep his Commanments & have his testimony, The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy ,
They NEVER read the entire sentence. Cherry-picking always leads to the pits.
On old mis interpretation of Paul , the Error brought back by the Protestant Reformation Imagine rejecting James , one of the three that constitute the inner circle of Jesus Christ
If you truly have "Faith" works follow.
Exactly
Works don’t merely show faith, however.
@@kyrptonite1825 what came first apples or oranges?
It’s an important distinction
(1st faith) (2nd works built on true faith) you cannot evangelize not knowing what you believe
God is faithful so we can have faith otherwise we don't follow or believe
Even Satan works very hard destroying Christian faith. Satan is a liar yet he blends truth with lies to deceive and draw many to himself thru evil works. Only have faith in the one true God otherwise your works are in vain and cause harm to faithful ones. Pentecost Sundays helps clear the mud. Pray the Holy Spirit comes and pray for faith
And this is the reason Martin Luther wanted to remove "Little Jimmy" from the Protestant redacted "Bible".
Faith without good works is bad.
Sir, doesn't good works also include participating in the sacraments, observing our traditions, in addition to the actual physical good works of charity, etc...sacraments and tradition are elements our Christian brothers; protestants, etc., do not have.
You cannot continue to live in sin after being forgiven. Yes Our Lord will forgive but why would you continue to hurt his heart by continuing sinning? Knowing better why do you keep fighting his commandments and sacraments? Stop abusing of his Grace and be a better Christian because you know you’re saved and you wish to honor and respect Our Lord.
I’m sorry to say this, but Dr. Pitre did not get this correct. If it were as easy as he makes it out to be, there would be no controversy. The first mistake is the same one Scott Hahn made at one time until he was corrected, that is, that the “works of the law” refers only to circumcision or ceremonial things. Although Paul is chiefly against circumcision in his Galatian epistle, that is because the Judaizers were pushing circumcision. But in Paul’s Romans theology, he is also against ANY work of the law, including civil, ceremonial, or moral, that one uses to be justified before God, especially Romans 7:10-12 (cf. Titus) that speaks directly to the moral commands of the Ten Commandments as not being able to justify a man. The only way works can be used for justification is if the worker is already in the grace of God and not seeking to place God in debt (Rm 4:3-4). Dr. Pitre also got it wrong when he asserted that James chapter 2 was only concerned about “intellectual faith.” The context of James 2 is talking about ANY kind of faith, good, bad or indifferent. If that faith does not add works to the faith, then the justification is lost. This is why even Abraham’s great faith was not enough. He had to add works to the faith in order to complete and not lose his justification.
Faith without works is dead. stop denying truth over your wrong interpretations. It's clear.
He is clearly referring to the Mosaic Law. Please do tell where you get this idea of “all works”.
To be JUSTIFIED, where does Paul teach works are required ?
Verses please :)
It’s funny that you base your beliefs on Paul when the Letters of Peter say that they are hard to understand.
Romans 2:6-7
For he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
@@kyrptonite1825 Funny how Christ & HS chose Paul as Apostle to you/I.
Funny how Peter, James, John ALL confirmed Paul as Apostle to you/I.
Funny how you reject what they taught regarding Paul.
Acts 9:10-15 Christ confirms Paul
Acts 13:1-3 HS confirms Paul.
Acts 15:6-12 Peter confirms Paul.
Acts 15:13-25 James confirms Paul.
Acts 26:12-18 Paul confirmed again.
Gal 2:7-9, Peter, James, John ALL confirm Paul
Eph 3:1-9 Paul confirms Paul.
Rom 11:13 and again.
Rom 15:16 and again.
1 Tim 1:16 and again.
Show where ANY of the other Apostles were given Paul's unique role.
Make me laugh some more funny boy :)
What are you talking about bro? What do you mean Apostle to you? Are you insinuating that I don’t think Paul is an Apostle? I definitely do think he was. The point is that you point to Paul for faith alone, when the Letters of Peter specifically say that his letters are hard to understand. Meaning, that you based faith alone on something that can be easily misinterpreted, by the Bible’s own words. I then pointed you to a verse where Paul says that works play a part in justification.
@@kyrptonite1825 What are you talking about buddy ?
ONLY Paul was chosen as Apostle to the gentiles/UNcircumcision/heathen - Gal 3:28 believers.
Don't you understand Scripture pal ?
Show the verses that teach Peter, James, John were given the authority to teach how you & I are JUSTIFIED.
Here they are again just you bro.
If you disagree buddy, stop flapping on your keyboard and show the verses instead.
Acts 9:10-15 Christ confirms Paul
Acts 13:1-3 HS confirms Paul.
Acts 15:6-12 Peter confirms Paul.
Acts 15:13-25 James confirms Paul.
Acts 26:12-18 Paul confirmed again.
Gal 2:7-9, Peter, James, John ALL confirm Paul
Eph 3:1-9 Paul confirms Paul.
Rom 11:13 and again.
Rom 15:16 and again.
1 Tim 1:16 and again.
Oh so you believe only Paul has authority to preach.
Matthew 16:19
Matthew 24:14
Matthew 18:16-20
In fact, if you believe in Scripture, then by nature then you believe they have a teaching authority. You literally self contradict.
Acts 15:1-31
And there’s plenty more
Never knew James was a Euro fella, did I miss something in Bible school?
CHRISTIANS DO NOT NEED A BIBLE. The bible proves this. No Christian IN the bible HAD a bible. Explain...
Euro fella? If you just listened to Dr. Petri’s video and disagree I guess we know what you missed in your Bible school.
@@Spiritof76Catholic What's bible school?
@@user-Rocket-Fest What? Only you can answer what you missed at Bible school since you brought it up.
@@Spiritof76Catholic well? Where in the bible does it say or show the Hebrews were Euro sorts?? I have studied that book
I have 1000's of notes on the topic. But nothing on Hebrews being Euro types. Do clue me up some day, cheers
Well, how'd one discern that humbling oneself is the doorway to Hell: by humbling oneself that very quality does actually produce a callousness towards the least of all- as then one *knows* that even with God Himself enabling you to assist them: you are NEVER GOING TO BE EVEN THE MOST REMOTELY ABLE TO; so you have a duty to cut them off from any needs they may have; including the least of all, solely out of humility.
Thus we know that it is *pride* that induces man to serve his neighbor, humility that denies man the will to do so *forever* and so we know by these events proven in even *one singular man's case* that the word of God is a lie from the very *mouth of God Himself* as what He commanded to be embraced actually led even one man by obeying it to hate his neighbors and to fully set the grounds for the loss of salvation to all!
*That* not what He said it will, is what obedience to Him does; as does the pursuit of humility, so we *know* that humility actually teaches man to hate God and neighbor, and pride likewise teaches man to serve his neighbor *solely because he CAN do that good*!
Romans doesn't just teach about faith, it teaches strongly on grace. Romans 6.14 "For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace." Romans 11.6 "And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace." See also Romans 4.4-8, where faith is not just on the side that is counter to the Mosaic law, but on the side that has "transgressions forgiven, sins covered, and sins not counted against them". Faith is not just about keeping a different kind of law transcending the Mosaic law, but rather about the grace of God that forgives all sin, making us cleansed and pure in God's eyes!
Famous heretics throughout history have always claimed "What the bible REALLY MEANS is..."
MOSAIC LAW. HELLO???
Ephesians 2: 8,9. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works ,lest any man should boast.
Read a little more: Eph.2: 10
The thrust of Romans is a comparison of the Jews and the Gentiles, how both are saved by grace through faith in the Messiah, not based on whether they have the law and keep it (which nobody can do or has done), have the law and didn't keep it, or don't have the law and have committed acts of uttermost wickedness. Then the book of Romans proceeds to tell us how the Jew and Gentile should live together as one people in the Spirit, with faith in the Messiah. Romans is not about faith that someone is going to heaven. It's not the message that if you really believe you're going to heaven thanks to Jesus as your talisman, then you are. It's an obedient faith in the Messiah that not only calls him Lord, but honors him as Lord. James is saying the same thing. Confessing Jesus is Lord is not about mere words that we speak, but about agreeing with God concerning who Jesus is, and agreeing with one's life, wholeheartedly, just as the two greatest commandments say. This cannot be done apart from the Spirit of God in the new birth.
Can God judge you?
Yeah, the reference of the *demons* believing a LOT more than any single-nature human ever could attain and they're known to be in Hell: so we know that faith and grace are *meaningless* all that matters is the *works*- that's not heresy, that's from Christ Himself via His standards of discernment; so either we throw out any and all reliance upon grace and faith and go with works alone, or we go to Hell for our complacency and nievatae and stupidity about being asleep at the controls and our posts!
Well, works of the law is summarized in serving neighbor, and NOBODY who can do that can hope to get to Heaven if he doesn't do that; that's from Christ about His discernment policies.
All and all I agree with this. However, I have read the Lutheran confessions, and this is false. Lutherans DO NOT believe you can do whatever you want and not lose your salvation. Do not lump them with the once saved always saved crowd. It is true that man is justified by faith apart from works of the law, (including the moral law); read Romans 7, and 2 Corinthians 3, paul has the moral law in mind as with the ceremonial. Here's why. Can you really keep the 10 commandments? Sure, one can externally obey them. But to lust after another woman is adultery. To be angry with your fellow brother is murder. To covet is to steal. So even if you outwardly obey the law, you still break it in the heart, rendering you guilty. You cannot stand before God without guilt trying to work your way to heaven. The fact you go to confession, be it once a week, month, year, demonstrates that YOU cannot even keep the law externally. We are called to obedience and good works because we believe. And if one is living in unrepentant sin, oh yes, he can lose his salvation, because good works are the fruit of faith. And without works faith is dead. Luther didn't reject James, he called it an epistle of straw in that its quality wasn't as good as Paul's. See 1 Corinthians 3 about where Paul says that man either has good works of gold, silver, precious stone, or wood, hay, and straw.
Luther literally began that once saved always saved crap. That is why we confess. Because it is biblical. You.can not deny James and accept Paul. That's like saying Luther was closer to Jesus than Peter. Does not make sense at all. Hence why James HAS a gospel. And Paul only Epistles. Gospel means witness.
Whether Paul has in mind the moral law or not is irrelevant as RCism denies one merits initial justification via any type of work, works only apply to one already justified to deepen their justification. Yes believers can keep the commandments satisfactorily, love fulfills the law - God doesn't command impossibilities. One only must go to confession if they commit mortal sin, believers aren't committing mortal sin constantly nor are their good works vitiated with damnable sin as Lutheranism holds.
@@cronmaker2 do you believe in infant baptism?
@@darrellperez1029 of course. Which proves the point - infants don't do works to enter a state of grace and be justified.
@@cronmaker2 Katoliko
Uh, yeah: we are saved by *works alone* and the source of that is Christ's own terms of discernment "as you did/didn't do" regarding the least of these... so it is not faith, nor grace, but solely works that make any and all difference.
Plus Heaven is automatic, it is only by *definitive and deliberate self-exclusion* that one can go to Hell; otherwise one goes to Heaven, so yes, even unbaptized babies go straight to Heaven, or God Himself is a devil, as that's the sole other option.
Ohhhhh, the irony.
The foundational principle of
Protestantism fail apart upon close examination of Holy Scripture and History. As is noted Matthew 25:31 damns the Protestant heresy
Anonymous
"FAITH" that doesn't result in "Works", isn't "FAITH" at all. Just religious hot air. Biblical FAITH has to have the attributes of Heb 11:1 - it must have "SUBSTANCE", and it has to be an "EVIDENCE". "Religious belief" has neither.
Matthew 25:14-30 The parable of the Talents. Note in verse 26 that the "wicked, lazy servant" handed the master back "faith alone" upon His return from the long journey. BAD PLAN.
One is justified by faith alone in the finished work of Christ alone, since we could not have done for ourselves what only He could do for us. "For it is by grace we are saved through (genuine) faith, and that not of ourselves, lest any man should boast."
In simpler terms: faith is the root and works are the fruit. If the root is dead, the fruit is dead also. Genuine works in God's eyes stem from a genuine root.
The root precedes the fruit. This is why Scripture says, "Without faith it is impossible to please God."
Anti-biblical nonsense from an obsessive-compulsive TROLL.
It literally says justification by works
@@CPATuttle
The reason is that the fruit (works) is the manifestation of a good root (faith). The fruit seals the deal, but a good root is primary.
Conversely, good fruit cannot manifest without a good root.
The pre-eminence of genuine faith is paramount to God.
@@CPATuttle He has invented his own religion. And then gets all pissy when questioned. Poor soul.
@@dannisivoccia2712 Curb thy EGO! Your teaching is NOT Apostolic and NOT taught by Christ - who saved you.
Even just relying on the Gospels.... Jesus CLEARLY warned His listeners over and over again with words not only about Hell but in terms like perseverance, patience, endurance, etc....IF we could never lose our salvation simply by claiming to have Faith alone then I would all Protestants....Why did Christ warn us? If I am already saved and nothing I do makes a difference then why do I have to persevere? Persevere in what? Faith? But you said my faith alone saves me right? Obviously Protestants like their forbears misinterpreted St Paul's writings.
I would add...WHY do Protestants ALWAYS quote St Paul but never Jesus?
Faith without works is dead. I can't believe that a church would teach that you are saved on Faith alone, I'm loving thy neighbor so I'm posting this message. So many verses in the bible of Matthew state you need works. Matt 7:21-23 Luke 12:45-48 Galatins 3:21, please read the bible always to understand this. Even Satan believes in God but he is not going to heaven.
most of Matthew is to and for Israel under law still not the body of Christ !
the new testament doesn't start until the death of the testator / the cross
(Hebrews 9:16)For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Matthew10:5-6
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Romans15:8
Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
James1:1
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
which of the 12 tribes are you from ?
Ephesians 2:11-12
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world
our message for the body of christ where there is no jew or gentile didn't start until the conversion of the apostle to the gentiles was converted in acts chapter 9
2 Tim 1:11
Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
Paul is the only one with the title apostle of the gentiles!!
Romans 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
us gentiles didnt have hope we were strangers from the covenants and commonwealth of Israel until the body of christ mystery was revealed to Paul, and he was converted to a believer in acts 9 the mysteries were still hid in God until he revealed them to Paul after his conversion.
Ephesians 2:11-12
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Ephesians 3:1-6
For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Gal1:11-12
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,
Gal 2:7-9 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
I always appreciate listening to Pitre, but he doesn't quite get Lutheranism right here (I'm Lutheran, thus the concern).
Lutherans don't believe that one cannot forfeit one's salvation by mortal sin. We do accept James as Scripture (and exegete it: read our confessions, such as the Apology IV). We also don't believe we can live however we want. Further, a justified person does indeed have love and is regenerated. If one has no love, we're no longer united with Christ. Also, by "sola fide" we're talking about faith as trust, not mere intellectual assent, which James shows doesn't suffice.
Just wanted to bring some clarification on the Lutheran view.
I also want to mention that Augustine understands "works of the law" as any work, not just ceremonial ones, so Pitre doesn't go with Augustine on that point.
But Luther when? His theology was constantly changing.
@@HAL9000-su1mz Lutherans' not Luther. Our theology is found in our confessional documents, the Book of Concord, not in Luther's private theology. Article IV in thr Formula of Concord discusses good works. Art. III discusses justification and argued that saving faith must include charity.
I also think it's an overstatement to say that Luther's theology was always changing. He was pretty consistent (though never a systematic writer) from the 1520's onward.
@@TheAndreas1008 266 Popes. Mostly excellent. Some average. A few horrible. We need not hang our hat on any one of them. See the crucial difference?
osas=John 10:27-30
Pathological obsessive-compulsive TROLL.
LOL! Please watch the video and try to learn something from it.
Taking Bible verses without context is a pretext. John10:27-30 doesn’t confirm OSAS because unless you were given the authority to interpret scripture you twist it because it is hard to understand. Jesus also said, Jn 14:15 "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." That includes being a member of the Catholic Church, "the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth." 1Tim 3:15 .
I will pray for your
conversion and ask the mother of God, Jesus’s mother Mary and the Saints to pray for you.
There, I just did.
@@Spiritof76Catholic Jesus did promise that those given to Him would not be taken out of His hand. That is what is called osas.
Jesus never mentions a bishop of Rome nor did He found the RCC. Nor did He teach you to pray to Mary. No apostle did.
What is the name of the church mentioned in I Tim 3:15 that Paul mentions?
Eternal Salvation
John 10:28 KJV "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of MY hand.
29 My FATHER, which gave them ME, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my FATHER's hand."
You say you have an apple tree??? I'll show you that I have an apple tree by the apples that come from my tree.
LOL! Please watch the video and try learn to from it..
Jesus also said, Jn 14:15 "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." That includes being a member of the Catholic Church, "the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth." 1Tim 3:15 .
I will pray for your
conversion and ask Jesus' mother and the Saints to pray for you.
There, I just did.
@@Spiritof76Catholic But you do not believe his commandments because you deny that you have eternal life and will go to Heaven if you died right now. I can because I keep/believe His commandments. Consider: John 10:26 KJV But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one.
Also
John 3:15 That whosoever believes in HIM (CHRIST) should not perish, but have ETERNAL LIFE.
16 For GOD so loved the world, that HE gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believes in HIM should not perish, but have EVERLASTING LIFE.
17 For GOD sent not HIS SON into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through HIM might be saved.
18 He that believes on HIM is NOT CONDEMNED: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the NAME of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD."
Note: If you do not know where you will immediately go if you died right now then YOU DENY that all your sins are forgiven by GOD's grace through faith in CHRIST and YOU DENY that you have ETERNAL and EVERLASTING LIFE and YOU DENY that you are NOT CONDEMNED as CHRIST said above, therefore YOU DENY CHRIST.
no work you can do will save you. Works are the fruit of salvation and not the cause.
Luther saying that about the letter of James is straight Heresy . Any Bible alone Christian should recognize Luther’s error if they believe the Bible. Luther thought he knew better than Saint James and the early church fathers. That’s terrible.
If you want to nit pick….. you should at least say “Jesus is Lord”…..this would prove (justify) to people that you have faith….are saved. Being quiet with your faith doesn’t show your love of Jesus who said “ if you love me, feed my sheep” The sheep need your support in their walk with the Lord!
What comes 1st faith or works.without faith we cannot please God. What is faith? Evidence of things not seen. Not just miracles or healings or apparatuons of Mary.
That is irrelevant. You can do works and not know it. Ergo works would come first. On the other hand, you can have all the Faith in the world and there is not guarantee you are saved.
There is belief (faith) in the head only; and then there is lived faith. One can study all the aspects of gravity, say it makes sense and then say they believe gravity exists. But the person walking on a cliff-edge, trembling and sweating out of fear they may fall has a much deeper and justified belief in gravity. That is why good works justifies (verifies) a person does indeed have faith. Such a faith actually permeates the way a person thinks such that good works flow from their thoughts and actions.
@@39knights unfortunately you can try to explain in human terms about faith,yet its normally a subjective explanation. God is a term that explains nothing concrete. Actually the jews dont say God at all. Their term is hashem the name. Its too sacred for them to know
@@frederickanderson1860 to the ridiculous? You mean to tell me that what Jesus did in the last supper is ridiculous?
@@darrellperez1029 the transubstantiation of his meaning. Absolutely incredible explanation. Now l.know the madness of science and religions in their futile attempts to explain whats beyond their finite mind's.
I'm sure it's a coincidence that the novus ordo removes those lines from what's read to the faithful. Can't offend anyone!
It is very clear that Luther first believed that faith alone saved and then rebelled and later read the bible including the Epistles of James. Hence he had problem with the epistle and called it the book of straw. He had problem with the books of the Maccabees as well. Luther had to agree to include the Epistles of James in his bible because his congregation was against it's non inclusion.
So this guy manipulated the scripture and then taught Sola scriptura. What a joke?
I was agreeing with you, up until you tried to say that James' works are not works of the law. The acts of charity (love) are our obedient responses to God's *command* to love God and love our neighbor. When we do good deeds, we obey the the summary of the law. Therefore, James' works are works of the law.
The correct way to distinguish between James and Paul is this:
Paul says we are justified in the eyes of God through faith, apart from works (Romans 3 & 4).
James says we are justified in the eyes of _man_ by our works, because (as he says in verse 24) this is how an onlooker can *see* evidence of living faith. "You _see_ that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." How do we see whether a person is justified? But observing his manner of life and conduct. If a person says he has faith but he "lives like the devil," we can reasonably conclude that his alleged faith is "dead" (the person is not spiritually regenerated by the indwelling Holy Spirit). A Spirit-led Christian, on the other hand, will respond obediently to the Holy Spirit who *guides us* into the works which will please God and who *also enables us* to do those works; thus the works are the Lord's, not ours, and we are not meriting grace for ourselves when we do them.
Notice that although circumcision was the specific work which Paul pushed back against in Galatians, we should not assume that the teaching about "faith apart from works" is so limited. For example, when it says in Eph. 2, "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast," the word "works" is not in any way limited but is left categorically broad. And in Romans 4 we learn that Abraham's justification by God through faith came _prior to_ both his circumcision and his expressed willingness to obediently sacrifice Isaac's life to God. Even James quotes the OT in this:
Jas 2:23 _and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”-and he was called a friend of God._
Notice that James admits to the fact that Abraham was accounted (imputed) righteous when he believed God, _not when he obeyed God._
James doesn’t say in the eyes of man; that’s Protestant. If he was saying that, then the pointing to Abraham would make zero sense. Nobody was around to see Abraham and Isaac. And Genesis says this work justified Abraham in God’s Eyes. Furthermore, James Says Abraham’s works perfected his faith. His faith itself. If works merely show faith, then you can have no works, and it would merely appear that you have no faith. That means James’s analogy of faith without works being like a body without a soul make no sense. The absence of the soul absolutely has an effect on the body; a bad one. James says faith itself without works is dead. He says we are not saved by faith alone. He says even the demons believe. You mention Paul, whom Peter says was hard to understand. And you base your entire theology by cherry-picking the Letters of Paul? Faith Alone was made up by Luther, nobody believed it for centuries before him. If it’s that important people should have known. If works didn’t matter at all; then the Bible shouldn’t constantly exhort us to avoid sin and do good works. Jesus Himself says feed the poor, pray, etc. Paul in Romans refers to the works of the Law, like circumcision, or ritual cleansing. This is clear in context. He mentions that God is the God of the Gentile. He mentions Circumcision, and the “works of the Law”, etc. While it is clear in context that James refers to moral works. Likewise, Paul in Romans actually says to do good works (moral). In Philippians he says work out your salvation. Ephesians deals with Initial Salvation, Accepted through faith and Baptism, with a grace that is not earned. Then, we must continue to Conform to Him and Love Christ each day. And remember to grow in virtue, to “perfect” our faith; lest we fall into mortal sin, or damnation.
This isn’t to say however that a certain amount of works get you to heaven. They don’t. I would also say that Faith saves, but not faith alone.
@@kyrptonite1825 You wrote: "James doesn’t say in the eyes of man" Not verbatim, but that's the gist of it. How do we see? We see with our eyeballs. Now use yours:
Jas 2:22 You *see* that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works;
Jas 2:23 _and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, _*_“Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”_*_ -and he was called a friend of God._
Jas 2:24 _You see_ that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
You don't _see_ that a person is justified by faith. Why not? Because faith is invisible.
Instead, you _see_ that a person is justified by works, because works are visible and they reveal the content of the person's heart: living faith.
James admitted that Abraham's faith, not his works, are what God counted to him as righteousness.
Paul says to do good, yes, but he doesn't make salvation contingent upon good performance. Anyone can read Paul's letters and see that your proposal is false. Look at Ephesians 2 for example, where he never qualifies works as "circumcision."
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
I have had Catholics point out verse 10 and try to say that it supports their claim, but verses 8 and 9 are crystal clear; would Paul contradict himself in the very next sentence? Of course not, but some Catholics grasp at straws.
Rom 4:1 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”
Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Rom 4:6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:
Rom 4:7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered;
Rom 4:8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”
Rom 4:9 Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness.
Rom 4:10 How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised.
Rom 4:11 He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised....
Rom 4:22 That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.”
Rom 4:23 But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone,
Rom 4:24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,
Rom 4:25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.
As Abraham justified by faith _apart from works,_ so likewise are we who trust in Christ our Propitiator. Our sins are not counted against us. God accounts (imputes) His own perfect, spotless righteousness to us through faith. That is what makes Jesus' death and resurrection GOOD NEWS! We can have complete peace with God through faith in Christ, because God gives us the gift of His saving grace.
If you work for your grace, you are lost in your sins, for you have tried to pay God with your deeds for the GIFT he wants to give you. You can't pay God back for His gift without insulting Him and without spitting on the cross of Christ. Jesus paid for your debt of sin _in full_ at the cross; how dare you try to pay God back for His loving gift?
Whatever good we do as born-again Christians is to the Holy Spirit's credit, anyway. He indwells us, guides us, and enables us to do the works. To God be all the glory, and none to ourselves. We are merely conduits for God to work through, like the branches which bear good fruit as the sap (Holy Spirit) of the vine (Christ) flows through us; see John 15.
Joh 15:1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
Joh 15:3 Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.
We respond to the Spirit in love (for God and neighbor) and simple obedience, as humble servants of the Most High.
Luk 17:10 So you also, when you have done all that you were commanded, say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.’”
Our good works cannot merit eternal life. Eternal life is a gift, freely given by God. Our cooperation with God might merit some additional reward in heaven, if our deeds were done with the right motives (love and obedience, without selfish desire for reward), but they can never pay God back for His priceless gift! 😊 I pray that the Holy Spirit will open your eyes to His love, mercy, and grace (unmerited, unmeritable favor).
@@kyrptonite1825 Faith saves, but the faith that saves will not remain alone because it will produce good fruit.
However, it isn't right to say that faith + works saves us, or that faith + anything saves us.
My beef with the CCC is that they worded it poorly when they said that works can merit the grace needed for eternal life, a statement which is unBiblical on its face no matter how one qualifies it my mentioning the Holy Spirit's influence in the works.
Again,
1. As I stated your interpretation of James makes no sense. Abraham’s faith itself was perfected according to James. Clearly that doesn’t mean in the sight of men. He does say “you see”, but he is obviously saying something along the lines of “look”, and then goes on to demonstrate that Abraham’s works justified him. Not that we only see Abraham’s works. James does not admit that faith alone saved Abraham.
2. Secondly, I mentioned that Ephesians is referring to Initial Salvation.
3 Third, I noted that Romans clearly refers to the Mosaic Law, not moral works. As we can see that Paul clearly mentions Abraham in the context of “circumcision”. The “works of the Law.”
3. I would agree that good works do not merit Initial Salvation. I would say faith doesn’t either. Grace is a Free Gift, Initially Accepted by Faith and Baptism. However, you must continue in good works, lest you fall into sin; to perfect your faith.
4. Finally, salvation is Infused. God declares you righteous, but what God declared actually happens, and so, you actually become righteous. This isn’t to say at Baptism that all your habits are changed, but you are made righteous. And then, in the process afterwards, you must act in virtue lest you fall into sin.
You’re clearly grasping at straws. Ephesians refers to being saved initially. And the Bible clearly refers to it as a process “work out your salvation.” James completely denies faith alone. Romans is against the Mosaic Law. Jesus over and over says to do good works.
Your not saved through works. Your saved through the belief in Jesus only. Salvation. And by believing in Jesus you're compelled to do works.
Luther was just lazy. How can you show your love for God, unless you serve and love your brothers. You don’t see God but can see your brother here on earth, God’s other children. God commanded to love one another. Jesus said whatever you do to the least of your brothers, you did it to me. Jesus said if you want to follow me, carry your cross. Nobody wants to carry their own cross. Easier, they just say faith alone. Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats when it’s time to face Him at the end.