Amp Shootout - Fender Bassbreaker 15 VS Marshall Origin 20
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Its another Shootout...this time its Fender VS Marshall...Bassbreaker 15 VS Origin 20...which one do you like better??
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I have a bassbreaker 18/30 and an Origin 50H, both of them together sounds amazing on recordings. The pokiness of the Marshall and the warm bottom end of the Fender work really well together 👍
I really wanted to love the Marshall because I’m a Marshall fan but every time I heard the Bassbreaker I really liked it. Nice Demo, thanks for sharing!
Thank you Sonny Gutierrez
Nice comparison, I've just ordered the Origin 20, I already have enough Fenders to choose from, HRD, BJ and 5E3. Really glad I went the Origin route, it gives those classic Marshall, pre-JCM tones, not super hi gain, but able to deliver Clapton, Kossoff, Jimi, Jimmy, Angus and Malcolm tones
Is the origin 20 loud enough to gig with?
@@jhendricks02 Depends on the gig but I'd say yes.
Jackson Hendricks it sure is mate, i use mine with a 4x12 and i play in a 80s hair metal style band ! Loud as hell for 20 watts
well the bassbreaker is almost exactly like the origin20 but a 12 inch speaker
Do you still like it 4 years later?
Great and fun demo, as always. Thank you, guys, the amps shout outs you are doing lately are really killer!
Thank you very much Wilfried...there are lots more coming
The Bassbreaker really comes alive with a little bit of dirt
Good demo! Both are great sounding with different pickups. My choice, Fender 15 Watt head!
Thanks Jose!!
Two nice amps. But the Bassbreaker is more dynamic. The clean is really warm. And add some overdrive and you can really get some sweet dirty tones. Origin has a hard time to get clean sounds without breaking up. Origin kinda loses some definition when played heavy. I own 2 marshalls (JSCM 2000/AVT) too.
I like the way the Marshall sounds, plus knobs on the front istead of on top, more comfortable to adjust. Just my 2 cents.
I agree. I like the controls in front. I do own a base breaker 15 and I lay it Face down So the controls are in front
I was losing my patience trying the combo Origin with the top knobs. Then I tried a Vox. Same. As a home player, that's a deal breaker for me. I'm glad they're in the front for the Origin Head.
I’ve a BB15 combo and I love it. Great amp. I’ve 007 head and can too and 007 combo.
I find Marshall amps have no character. I do own a Marshall TSL602 which I rarely use.
You can keep with Fender and Marshall. I prefer the dog!
Thorough and proper demo, thanks. Which of the two amps was more dynamic in your opinion, in terms of sensetivity from pick attack?
Maybe the Bassbreaker?!? Its pretty close though
I worked in a music store for 12 years, finished up 3 years ago. I would not touch a Fender amp. We had so many faulty ones on different models. .. even if Fender sound nice, still dont buy one, You will have trouble with them! Rarely had any trouble with Marshall..
TheBlues Ine I bought the Bassbreaker maybe 3 years ago? Haven’t had any problems with it yet...
@@TSFAHTPS Id say 1 in every 5 had problems so Im not surprised you got lucky and had a good one. Main thing is, shes still going good! The fail rate was just a lot higher with Fender amps... One of the worst were the Super Sonic 22 .. great sounding but so many faults with them..
@@TSFAHTPS The same here. Had mine a longf time. No problems. A little noisy but not that i cant stand it... It got a little hum
My princeton died within a month of having it, fender usually has great items but man I got screwed on this one. I may end up selling it, but I bought a new speaker for it. Shitty
For 3 years my kid drug a Bassbreaker around for Jazz, it works fine. Buzzes more than than the Marshall without a doubt (if cranked which makes it sound best).
I own both and they’re both great amps and both very good pedal platform amps and very gig ready the only thing i dont like is the blinking stand by light on the bassbreaker
Bassbreaker
Video could be useful if playing the same piece on both amps... :)
The BB15 is much more clear and alive than the Origin.
For me what makes the difference is the EL34s in the Origin vs the EL84s in the Fender. I'm so bored with the EL84 power section, so hard not to be biased towards the Marshall here.
“The mids are more scooped on the Fender, but we do have the mids all the way down” 🤔🤔
who taught you how to quote. "but i do have the mids down a bit"
thats a pretty big different than all the way down.
I like the Marshall :3
The Marshall sounds trash in the lower power modes. The overdrives sounds strangled. Quite liked it in the higher power mode though
I own both of these. I am a Marshall guy to the core but the Bassbreaker kills the Origin. Dirty and clean the Fender is much better. The Origin lacks clarity and is very flubby. The Origin is a very anemic amp. The 50 watt Origin is a much better amp.
To be honest I liked neither of those tones. Maybe it was the recording or settings. Sounded fizzy and distorted but not in s musical way.
Stick a Jekyll and Hyde pedal into the BB15 - oh my giddy aunt. AMAZEBALLS
I have a Jekyll & Hyde and yes it does sound good
Great Demo Video
Thank you very much!!
Fender is fuller and has a very pleasant thing about its sound that makes it very appealing to listen to. Also heard Marshall nowadays has some quality problems, wich by rhe way may be the case with that particular fender model to, at least in the beginning. However wouldn't trade in my Ohlsson Amp for any of them.
I had a limited edition blonde tolex bassbreaker 15 with a creamback m65 and while it sounded fantastic I had to return it because it was very noisy and buzzy and it was a newer model . One big complaint with the bassbreaker from the beginning was how noisy they were and the loud buzzing so it seems to be a design flaw that they have not worked out . I recently tired another limited edition bassbreaker which they call the gunmetal version which has dark grayish tolex and the creamback 65 and. Was really hoping it would be quieter as I love the tone of the 15 with a creamback 65 and again it sounded fantastic tone wise but was very buzzy with a loud hum . Very frustrating . If I could find one that was even just somewhat quieter I would grab it . Even if it was a stock version I would grab it and put a creamback 65 in it . I have 2 modern Marshall's a dsl 40cr and a dsl 5cr and have had no issues with either and have owned both for 3 years . I have heard others having issues with their modern Marshall's but I think that is par for the course with a mass produced amp at a lower price point I don't think issues with Marshall's are any more prominent than they are with fenders lower cost amps or any more common than with orange amps you will find examples of poor quality with most mass produced amps whether its marshall fender orange or black star . The internet tends to make these problems seem much worse then they are. Poor quality does happen but people are more likely to post about their amp when something goes wrong to vent their disappointment or anger or to simply ask for advice on troubleshooting or to ask for ideas on replacement anps from other companies people are far less likely to join a gear forum and post comments just to say I bought a new marhsall or orange amp etc and it has no qc issues and when those comments are made its usually part a post that had another purpose so the image of poor quality control tends to get skewed . You often hear. About bad quality examples but you dont hear about millions of units that do not have qc issues. When you consider the amount of units produced of say an origin or DSL and look st the percentage of units with actual QC issues I think the percentage would be quite low .
I’ve owned the bassbreaker 15 and I’ve played the origin 20 beside it. I’m telling you right now that the origin doesn’t even touch the bassbreaker. No contest.
Thanks
Late reply I know but do you mean the BB is far superior or the other way round?
Nice comparison - there's not much in it between the two, which is sort of what I expected to hear. Subtle differences in tone and breakup-characteristics, but both largely fairly similar.
I'd be intrigued to head toe Origin 20 go up against an SV20 - is the substantially-higher price tag worth it for someone wanting a plexi-type tone without plexi-volumes.
Thanks Richard...yeah I'm very keen to hear the difference between the Origin and the SV20 too...hopefully Marshall will send us one for a demo soon and we will definitely do the shootout too
What is the Blue p90 guitar? Sounded really cool.
One thing you might try in your shootouts: Can we make Item A sound like Item B, and vice-versa, by twiddling knobs.
You might be able to get the Origin to sound like the Fender here by adjusting knobs, but maybe you can't get the Fender to sound like the Origin.
I do this when A/B ing pedals at home. Can I get this four knob pedal to sound just like the three knob I have that's similar? If I can, then I mark down the settings and sell off the three knob.
Same applies to amps, as well, but not as easily because you have to use the same speaker to really know.
That’s a good idea...thank you Andrew!!
EL-34 vs EL-84 🤷♂️
Did you pull the boost on the Marshall?
Please compare de bassbreaker 45 against the origin 50
If I can get my hands on a Bassbreaker 45 then sure
Thanks for presenting this! How did each of them feel on the fretboard? I suppose it's a bit old to remember of course.
Marshall real natural sound......connect malmsteen overdrive......and wow it rocks
Recently I bought the Fender Bassbreaker 15 and I returned it straight after 1 week to the shop. The sound 'structure' mid /high was horrible, very noisy not pleasant at all for the ear. And the EQ section bass/mi had total no effect on the sound. You could turn the the knob from 0 to 10 , nothing changed. So maybe I was not lucky I got a defect amp. I read a lot negative reviews after all. I own a blues junior so for me this purchase was an attempt to replace it by the head bassbreaker 15. Overall I think it is a pity because the bassbreaker has potential but quality issues is killing it.
Thats a shame...I had mine for quite a few years now and never had any issues and I absolutely love it
@@TSFAHTPS Despite the issue I had, I believe in the potential of that amp (with your review). So I found someone on the second hand market and I will test it and give maybe a second chance. I live in the Netherlands now it gets more and more difficult to find a good shop with physical stocks you can actually test, everything goes online, this is the risk.
Marshall Origin the best
Bassbreaker.
Because I own it. LOOL
cool demo! not a marshall guy so...
Love my BassBreaker…. Play a 57 custom shop Les Paul Jr. through mine…
I love the origin 50 but did not care for 20 at all . The 50 has alot more clarity especially when overdriven . The bassbreaker sounds great when used with creamback m65 speakers and the orign as well . The 50 watt origin combo with the creamback really makes it more vintage sounding. I do not care for the midnight 60 stock speaker its more modern sounding and makes the origin 50 have more of that brighter harsher modern marshall tone . I do love that modern bighter more aggressive marshall tone but not when I want the most accurate vintage plexi or jtm 45 type tone .
I own both the 50 and 20 Origin and came to the exact same conclusion. The 20 is almost unusable.
You trade those two in and then you get a Friedman.
Totally agree ! This Marshall origin sounds surprisingly better for clean sounds, and is warmer by far with p90. This Fender bassbreaker performs very well with humbuckers in high gain territory : it sounds more compressed so it has less "glitch" in the mids than the Marshall when it's cranked. On the other hand, you can switch the Marshall in 20W, 3W, 0.5W like the Orange rocker 15 terror for home use... How this fender performs at low level ?
I think it performs pretty good at low levels....
I’d say the Marshall, from amp techs I have heard that the fender is difficult to repair due to a poor chassis design. I mean the fender is a good sounding amp but because of this its not something I would own because of this.
I saw obe melted during a youtube review, that was the end of it, because as you said is hard to repair.
Fender bassbreaker 15 vs laney super cub 12.
That could be fun
@@TSFAHTPS Yes indeed. 😉😁
The fender has about 3x the buzz on near 10s when compared to the Marshall. I have gold lions in the Bassbreaker and whatever junk comes stock in the Origin 20 although the Fender still does cleans better which isn't full of buzz.
The 'junk' in the Origin 20 includes Mullard pre-amp tubes and JJ power tubes. When I bought mine I fully expected to swap the tubes out but the stock tubes sound good. Fender amps, on the other hand, do ship with cheap slightly substandard tubes, and I've always had to change them out.
Just got gold lion for my 15.
I get zero buzz in my Origin 20c. Dynamic response string to string better for my ears than the Bassbreaker 15. Driven to the max sounds way better than the bb, which farts out. YMMV
@@slimturnpike man my BB is quite. But I always use humex on my amps. Tube upgrade and greenback speakers made noticeably better sound. Also I got a limited addition, which may have something towards that. Also I'm using burstbucker pro pups. So the BB has some silky there, which helps With the bit.
Which is more closely clone of jtm45?
Probably the Origin...but I’ve never played a “real” JTM45 so I’m not sure
I like the Marshall for clean and I like the bassbreaker for the dirt and I just was getting ready to order both of those but I decided on the Super Chat version 2 for the clean I think I'll use the origin for that little bit of break up for a bluesy sound and then for lead I'm going to use the bassbreaker
I wanted to buy an Origin when I first saw them, but every video I see, the second it gets pushed, it sounds really bad. Like the power amp starts collapsing and the amp starts sounding farty and gross sounding. The Fender doesn't seem to have that problem.
you think so?
i worried the same before getting mine, but i run the 20H into a 4x10 and it sounds amazing. Tried it into a friends 4x12 though and i was like oof this is not vibin well
The bb has that problem. Its sweetspot is around 4 to 7 volume with controlled input. Any beyond that farts out
I really would appreciate if you guys did a comparison between Origin 20H and SL5 (both in the same cab with Greenback).
The Slash one?? I'll see if we can get one from the distributor
Exactly! I just bought one used on last week, put a UK Celestion EVH instead the chinese V30, and loved it! Before that, i was thinking in buy a Origin 20, but gave up this idea cause the SL5 with a "greenback" gave me the 70s/80s tone in lower volumes. So, i would love hear your comparison.
Listen my last video, recorded with this SL5 and Ownhammer EVH + V30: ruclips.net/video/gg7N37twJ7M/видео.html
Got thia tone with it was a big surprise for me.
PS: The boost pedal and dummy load was made by me.
Betcha the fender ballbreaker breaks first
Mine is still working
@@TSFAHTPS I wish I could afford to have trust in these amps, I love the tones and how they respond.
Never used the bright button on the BB but did boost the origin. Looks like a bias opinion and novice to Fender products.
MARSHALL !!! I got the 20H and is fantastic LOL...
Is it loud enough to gig with without overdriving the amp?
Well I dont know when this video was made but, STOP CONSANTLY ADJUSTING THEM, that drives me crazy guys get a sound and let em rock.
I felt that the adjustments on each pickup and adjustments clean and dirt was the proper thing to do every amp at 5 like I see in most videos or should I say 12 and then stick all these different guitars on the never adjust anything is the most stupidest thing like that's real life we all tweaked are amps for the pickups and the game settings or clean settings that we want so you have to adjust that's me I thought you guys did a great job for the first time I actually saw somebody adjusting the amp to the sound of the pickups and guitars that you're playing on that old rats check everything out at flat I don't have any kind of amp or pedal that's it flat
The Fender walks all over the Marshall. The Fender has a much wider range and is more versatile. The Marshall is a one trick pony.
channel8888 in this case that’s true. But the Marshall does its one trick way better then the fender. But aside from the bass breaker most fenders are one trick ponies too. Great cleans and not so great gain channels
D Bo Fenders have usually great cleans and crunch if you know how to treat them. That’s what makes them so versatile with just 2 or 3 dirt pedals. Cleanest Jazz or sparkle, blues, Stones rock, Zeppelin or almost SoundGarden with the right guitar and pedal.
@@javiceres That isn't a usual Fender, it takes pedals well but an attenuator an cranked master works best. Really for cleans master cranked, 1st gain stage and use gain for the volume is its best sound but then it just sounds like a not-as-good as the rest of Fender amps.
@@ronaldadams3230 And compared to a Blues Jr?
@@javiceres There is no comparison, Fender is for cleans, nobody buys a Marshall for that.
British style circuit? Hate to inform you clueless homies but it was Jim Marhsall who ripped-off the Bassman circuit to create the very first Marshall amplifier!
👍🏻
What cab are you using?
Roger Osborne 2:23 ...it's a Celestion Greenback 1x12 cab mic'ed with an SM57
It's funny when he went fenderhw was not playing as good of licks,,not giving the amp much to respond too..both are really good. amps
where did you two learn to demo amps?
Marshall has more clarity
Origin
I keep hearing too much bass in the bassbreaker and not enough clarity & mids, could be all the p90s too though and half hearted riffs and volume. I have owned a Origin 50h for over a year, never use the boost mode, keep tilt in middle and everything else on 2 o'clock, presence on 1-2, and its the best $600 amp I've ever bought and a hell of a pedal platform but I am biased. Have owned a a few fender amps and never loved them. EL34 guy I guess. Get the 50h Origin and play an overdrive pedal through a 2x12 or 4x12 with greenbacks and you'll hear it.
Have owned both amps … still have the Bassbreaker. The Origin was (and still is) the most bland amplifier I have ever played. Still think my Orange Rocker 32 and Dual Terror (running through a 2x12 or 4x12) kick the balls off both of them though! Bassbreaker is my practice amp now that I've sold my soul to Orange ...
you're deaf.
@@drewg3087 If I was deaf I'd probably like the Origin ...
@@StopTheRot yeah i got 2 of the combos 20 watts and both tube rattled, if it doesn't work out i may get the bb15 or ac15
guy on the right just cant stand still .. hes freaking me out lol
Everybody stop fooling around and just get a Friedman.
Friedman is triple the price
Triple the price but 10 times better. Just speaking from experience. I spent a long time buying cheap stuff. Save your money and buy something good. You will end up spending just as much on cheap stuff.
Marshall haven´t got a clean sound, to me FENDER winner!
I use the Marshall Origin 50H with massive clean headroom, and it is amazing. I have owned Fender's over the years, but I love the Origin 50H clean!
I think you had the two confused, because the Origin walked all over the Bassbreaker during the clean tones. Ya may wanna listen again.