@@pedrolourenco2707 the Celestion seventy80 is a budget speaker found in many amps from different manufacturers such as Blackstar , Randall , Laney and Vox Labeled as "VX" speakers .
I have the dsl40c creamback and the 50c origin which I like it doesn't have those dsl highs, I appreciate lower gain amps pushed a tad more. If i want evh i go the dsl or higher gain. It has that plexi bell like tones with zero fizz:)
I am quite surprised that the 10inches speaker gives more cream and bass than the 12. Is it the cabinet effect or tubes vs solid state circuitry ? Anyway Origin for vintage, DSL for modern tones . I play vintage. Johan , how do you compare Origin 20 with 2525 Jubilee ? I used to have the 2525 but sold it , back to my Vox AC15HW1.
I avoided buying a DSL when I was looking for an amp. It just wasn't that vintage Marshall tone I was looking for. Now the Origin line is right up my alley.
I think the Origin sounds better with the Tele's single coils and the DSL sounds better with the V's humbuckers. However if I had to choose one amp to use with both guitars I would go with the Origin overall.
As I dsl owner I think your right but if I was gonna make a rapid change I'd have to go with the sv20h u can get the sound of the 70s and even into the 80s until the jcm 800 took hold no amp sounds like it !! I can get the jcm 800 tone on the dsl anyways, thin it out and lower the gain and crank the volume to the sweet spot then turn the treble up on a good quality clean boost 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
honestly the DSL sounded real good. A lot more clarity. Some might find it too trebly, but you can roll that off. I never liked the fizz on the DSL i had Rented. Ultra gain was toooooo much. Sounded good here. Origin was good, but sounded a little like a blanket was over the speaker. Vin30 would make it sound great I imagine.
Both sounded good in their own right, but I far preferred the Origin if I had to pick just one. The difference to me was even more pronounced with Simon and the single coils. The Origin sounded so sweet and creamy compared to the brightness of the DSL. The DSL would probably cut more in a mix, but I go for the Origin. You keep tempting us with that Amos V. And I thought I'd talked myself OUT of another V....Rock on brothers!
Johan, not sure how this amp slipped passed me but tonight I played the Origin 20 combo amp tonight at Guitar Center, then I tested out the Vox AC15C1 and Fender Deluxe RI. I was completely blown away at the tone palette coming out the Marshall Origin 20. I thought I was gonna buy the VOX AC15 but now I am not sure sure. There is something magical about Fender Guitars through a Marshall amp that is next level greatness. I used my tele this evening and it was magic and also love the fact that it was simple, no effects other than some gain (perfect for a pedal board) Another bonus feature was the 3 toggle High/Medium/Low output switch, gong from 20w-3W-0.5W. Just WOW, Marshall has really stepped up their game with this series
You guys do far the best comparisons for the DSL vs Origin series. You get a very accurate idea of the differences between the two. The DSL seems to have a more balanced, Fender sound here with the Origin nailing the vintage Marshall tone. Love the sound of the Origin.
Exactly! I have a 1962' Gibson double cutaway LP Jr. with a single P90 single coil pickup that is just dying to sing through the Marshall Origin 20C! 😁😁
@@oscarmejia8495 Yes it is. The 20 is cathode bias. The 50 has a trim pot. People seem to be opening these amps up and seeing mosfets and IC chips and crying foul but this amp has power scaling, DI (which is honestly pretty rubbish) and speaker emulation. The only criticism is the input headroom is pretty big, so if 'plexi' tone is your goal, you will need to punish it with a pedal or two to really gun it. Personally, I have found that the amp distortion is wonderful (in full power mode + boost engaged) but you will be need to dime the master volume and that means pushing serious DB's. Its crazy (painful + tinnitus inducing) through a half stack without a boost or overdrive pedal to do the heavy lifting. Actually louder (in terms of sheer BAMF) than my AC30.
Dumb Dickler I had a jtm 45 for a week. It stayed clean, not very loud, and didn’t even crunch. It was just a weak clean amp that needed a pedal to do anything.
Thanks for making this great comparison I beleive many were waiting for, Johan! Not to mention the intro which was a piece of art by itself. With a few exceptions I preferred the dsl with the humbuckers and the origin with SCs, especially overdriven. Both were great.
Dirty deeds for dirt cheap is about right :) .I got the 20 head and 2x12 and just choke the FX loop with a home made volume pedal so I can push it harder and get a fuller sound at lower volumes. That Origin 20 sounded really good though.
Waaaaiiit I've just checked the price, is that what you call dirt cheap? I've got way too used to solid state prices my Marshall mg sounds kinda similar to the dsl tho
I'm shocked at how much I wasn't keen on the DSL tone. The Origin just sounds so good in comparison. I'd be interested to hear is a comparison between the Origin 20 and the Fender Bassbreaker 15.
I think Johan did various videos on swapping out necks but I don't remember if that's his guitar. If we already knew about it, it would explain the lack of mention in the comments.
There was a period in the 1980s when Epiphone had a thing with Gibson explorer type headstocks. Kramer, Jackson, and Charvell guitars were all the rage. They all had pointy, 6 inline headstocks (then came the pointy reverse headstock craze for a few years). I think Epiphone borrowed the Pointiest Gibson headstock style to stay relevant . Epiphone made some strange guitar models during that time. A friend of mine had an HSS strat style epiphone with that explorer type headstock. They made Telecaster type guitars as well.
In this format the Origin really nails the classic JTM 45 type fat tones BUT you never took advantage of the DSL20's fat tones available on the Ultra Gain channel with the gain dialed in at around 3 to 4 on the gain knob and backed off to about 7 or 8 on the guitar volume. The DSL20 is one of Marshall's most versatile little guys once you know how to take advantage of the abundant array of sonic potentials it's capable of easily delivering.
I love the hair on the Origin - it may only do one tone, but that's the exact tone I want, whereas the DSL does many tones I don't care for! I'm amazed by how good you make the Origin 20 sound though, I couldn't get it anywhere near as big sounding - I ultimately went with the Origin 50 combo to avoid the 20's boxiness, and I couldn't be happier. :-)
You and Simon have such wonderfully complementary playing styles! Simon is the type of Fender player I'd love to be, but never will and your Gibson style is awesome as well. Great pair of amps...and I need to stop watching videos on Origin 20s or I'm going to end up buying one (when I promised myself I wasn't going to shop for any gear for a while).
I am shocked at how magical the Tele sounds through the Origin at the end of the demo ! I would run them both in parallel. Super comparison Johan !!! 👍
I got the Dsl... It's a genuine Marshall. Those Marshall highs are bell like and scratchy which is an important part of the Marshall character... The Origin is closer to some kind of low watt tweed Fender amp. Its muffled and fuzzy. It sounds vintage but its dull and muddy.
Thats a nice amp. I got it and the dsl 40 cr and they are different for sure. But then i plug into my vox and fender and..... well feel spoiled.haha love me some silver.
chris tian I’m literally on the verge of ordering my 2525h, the only reason I haven’t is cause I’m studying for an important test and I know I won’t get any work done so it will be my reward when I pass it! I can’t wait!
3:49 is when the DSL20 starts winning. Seriously, they're both good amps.
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Johan, the DSL has a more open, high sound Origin has a more bassey thicker, old Marshall sound. Yet I enjoy both! I bought both when they came out from Guitar Center on Sunset Blvd here in Hollywood California. Great mid range amps!
Agree, I tried out both amps and would liked to have bought both. I bought the DSL as I felt I could get more tones. Also my brother who was testing the amps with me took a liking to the Origin which was better for his style. Just waiting for him to buy the Origin.
I think the Origin sounds cracking for the price but the DSL is hitting the correct mids for cutting it in a live mix. I would be happy adding either one to my collection .
I favoured the Origin overall, but for certain riffs/examples I preferred the DSL. I think Johan summed it up quite nicely at the beginning, they are good at different things.
I got the Origin 50H a year now. Using also a booster in fronf, you can get also nice distorsion at low volumes. I got also a DSL1HR in the living room for practice. Origin for high volumes, DSL for low volumes...
I’ve played both amps. They both sound good. The DSL20CR does sound a bit harsh and that’s due to the shitty stock 70/80 speaker. I own the DSL20CR and put in a UK made Greenback made in 2000 and it sounds excellent.
The DSL sounds more "clinical" -- you can hear each string in a chord and the overall tone has a nice bite that no doubt would cut through the mix in a live setting. The Origin sounds great, almost JCM800-ish in how everything is warm and buttery, which is ideal for rhythm. The solution obviously is for one guitarist in a band to use the DSL, and the other use the Origin. =)
Haha...if only the Origin could sound a little more like the DSL and if the DSL could sound a little more like the Origin. In other words...the origin has a lovely honk in the 400-600hz area, but there's just too much of it. And the DSL could use more of that very quality.
Could maybe be fixed with a larger mid pot, tgen you have more flexibility with the mids. I did this to my marshall clone, very good for fine tuning. Go to 100k or 250 k mid pot.. You can see it in action in the Duncan amp tools tone stack simulator.. At 1 you have less mids, at 5 like its cranked now. For less mids stays between 1 and 3 on the mids.. For the DSL one could do thecsame pot and stay between 5 and 10..
i compared the two at the local GC (guitar center). the origin sounds good only when turned up higher than bedroom level. the DSL may not sound as creamy as the origin but plays at lower volumes better.
I think it depends a lot on what you want out of the amp and what kind of player you are. If you want that vintage sound, and don't need tons of gain from the amp, the Origin might be your best option. I noticed you were on the clean channel on the DSL for almost the whole shoot, only switching over to the distortion channel (red light) for a moment. That was the moment when I said, "That's what I'm talking about!" I have a DSL 40c, and I tend to use it either full-clean or with a lot of gain, using a pedal to push the clean if I want some crunch from it.
The DSL defaults to a much brighter tone, but the Origin has a "Tilt" control that, when cranked all the way to 10, very closely matches the DSL in brightness. The old Marshall Plexi amps had four inputs, and you could bridge two of them in order to get a much brighter sound. The Origin 20's "Tilt" control is designed to let you emulate that. Crank it to 10 and it's full "bridged input" mode -- very bright. Turn it back to zero and it's the equivalent of the Plexi's single-input darker tone. I don't think y'all had the Tilt control cranked up here -- that made the Origin sound much darker than the DSL. But heck -- either one of these amps will give you a great tone. The Origin is more "vintage" sounding, and the DSL is more "modern" sounding. Just my opinion, of course.
Why did I watch this? I was perfectly happy with my DSL15 tone. Hearing these side by side...the origin sounds so much better. It's smooth and creamy. I want to go out and buy one now! As usual, great video. Keep 'em coming! I'm happy with my DSL setup. I replaced the stock seventy80 speakers in my cab with WGS speakers. It made a huge difference.
The origin definetly has a SOUL while the DSL is clean as a wistle. If you want to rock your heart out the origin is the bomb for that but if you want a cleaner tone with a versetile playability on a saturday with the band then the DSL20 is the thing for you. Personally, the Origin resonates with my soul. It would be awesome to just rock my heart out with it.
I don't know if I've ever heard a larger difference in tone btw two amps from the same manufacturer that are so similar on paper. The Origin sounds amazing . I own the DSL 20 and will be selling it very soon to purchase an Origin.
If you’ve got a tele its just a matter of taste. I prefer the the origin cause highs are more tamed but the dsl offers more clarity on the expense of having to dial back the tone knob most of the time. On the other hand the humbuckers need the extra trebly sound of the dsl, the origin makes the flying v sound way too muffled to stand out in a mix. Also the dsl appears to have a way bigger headroom than the origin which should also be taken into account.
That's why I got the Dsl... It's a Marshall. Those Marshall high's that are bell like and scratchy are part of the Marshall character... The Origin is closer to some kind of low watt tweed Fender amp. Dull, muddy, fuzzy,
@@pupilmover9835 "The Origin is closer to some kind of low watt tweed Fender amp" funny thats why I got one! Also the tilt knob turned all the way to the right sounds way more bright like the dsl
I have a dsl and to me the origin sounds a lot warmer here. The dsl seems brittle on the top end but just roll the treble back and turn the mids up. I also cut a bunch of highs with a mxr 10 band eq.
Owned both. Still have the DSL, but sold the Origin. With the right settings, the top end of the DSL really sparkles and has very pleasant transients. It also has SO much gain on tap where you’re able to replicate these tones at a much more manageable volume than you can with the Origin.
JOHAN SEGEBORN---------> Jag vill bara att du ska veta att du och det arbete du lägger ner på den här kanalens innehåll är enormt betydelsefullt för väldigt många människor. Stor tumme upp för alla dina idéer du du ständigt kommer på och för att du orkar filma och lägger upp så mycket intressant här. Tack Johan.
2 entirely different shades... Got some people saying 'origin sounds like it has a blanket over it' some saying 'DSL is overly bright and harsh sounding' Can't win or can't go wrong? Still think the speakers play a massive part... bigger than most realise. Just want to say also that ALL issues of the Origin series have been taken massively out of proportion, and I am thoroughly happy with mine, having looked into every issue anyone has come up with, and resolved them all! And given advice to anybody I've come across asking about them, while others have continued to slather unfounded, uneducated hate!! :-/ Nice sounds all round Johan, thank you, :-)
I own a DSL20CR and had to order it three times until I got one that does not have a weird rustling hiss in the background. What other issues have you found and more importantly solved?
But to go through the issues... * someone didn't bias theirs, ran it full blast and burnt the pcb out. They may contest that, but I can't see what he described as a reoccurring icident as no one else has reported anything like it * speaker jacks, many are aware of this, the 2 8ohm outs will only work 1 at a time, so you can't plug in 2 16ohm cabs, Marshall know about this and have been fixing them. * fx loop, if you use the fx loop, it defaults to off if the footswitch is removed, a simple jack plug can left in for it to stay on. * someone reported one of the internal connections not been connected, Never saw any confirmation.
I have the dsl40c. The first thing to do is chunk the 70/80 speaker (its not as bad if you break it in) for a vintage 30 or greenback. Then roll the tubes, I'm using Mullard and Genalax, you'll find some awesome Marshall tones that make the price tag for the amp and upgrades seem dirt cheap.
Wow both sounded great. Hats off to Johan and Simon for the playing. The first 3 and half minutes or so the Origin crushed it, and the last half the DSL sounded ace.
This is a very interesting comparison. What really stuns me is how good 'Amos' sounds through either amp. The single coils and the DSL just aren't a great match to my ears. But wow...that Epiphone is a killer sounding guitar! Thanks Johan!
The DSL is super bright and grating, all due to the speaker. Swap that Seveny80 out with something decent, and it'll sound better. But I'd still go with the Origin.
Thanks Johan, love your channel! The Origin wins in my opinion. I wonder how the Origin 20 compares to the Fender Bassbreaker 15. Would that be a possibility for a comparison video? Thanks again!
Again, as usual, nice one man. Although, whatever switch you flipped at the 4:min mark (on the dsl. Rhythm to lead I would imagine) is how they should be compared no? Up until then it was difficult to assess what the dal had to offer. I will keep watching. You rock friend!
I had to go with the DSL20CR when I was looking. Liked the Origin 20, but found it was a one trick pony and the 1 x 10" speaker removed frequencies you cannot dial back in, whereas the DSL clean/disto channels give some options and replaced OD pedals. Now, if I were to level up wattage, I'd pick the Origin 50 over the DSL40. Weight is one benefit, but the bigger cab and 12" speaker open her right up. I just don't need it (yet!). On the DSL20, first day I swapped out the 70/80 speaker and it made a big difference. Tried different speakers - Greenback, Creamback Neo, Swamp Thang and Tonkerlite. CB Neo was perhaps the traditional best fit, but settled on the Tonkerlite because it suited both channels, but also gets louder before saturation on the clean.
I really like both of them. Both bring great sounds from the past, and I think both offer great sounds for the future as well. You always find some of the greatest toys Johan!!! Great V and Epi Tele too!!
I gave a dsl20 combo on loan for the next month. Honestly it’s a really good amp. I keep reading about the Celestion 70/80 being a crappy speaker but I find it to be very good and it’s not broken in yet. It’s sound fantastic turned up loud but I can still get great tone with the master turned down on the low wattage setting.
A greenback or warehouse veteran really adds to the overall sound quality of the amp. The 70/80 isn't a bad speaker but it kept the dsl series in the target price area. Loading it with a greenback or creamback would have added atleast another $150 -$200 on the amp. That's now putting the dsl40c with a creamback close to $1000 after taxes. That's a lot to ask for an Indonesian made amp. Buying a used dsl40h and finding a used 2x12 v30 thats broken in showcases how great the amp is for under $600.
excellent comparison, I own the Orgin 50 and love the more vintage Marshall tone with great cleans as well......DSL is excellent also just different uses.....
Feels really strange to see someone else use this, but i have the exact same epiphone tele in the custard baige color. Made in Korea 1992, they are really good teles!
The DSL 20 all the way. The clarity is perfect. Treble can be dialed down if it's too much for some but it has that option. You heard the Origin color the clean too much. You can't undo that. You either start clean or you don't. I would choose the DSL as a better clean amp and a better pedal platform amp. The Origin does take the win in the looks department though.
I have the Origin 20 and had considered the DSL but just did not like the DSL tone at all, sounded too cold and sharp,(might have just been that particular amp tho) the Origin just sounds more classic vintage IMO.
@@LennySugiono It gets a vintage sound…cool cleans with single coils…some knob turning and it sounds great with Fenders or Gibsons. Takes pedals well…I switched out out the 10” speaker for a 12”. The DSL just sounded flat to me…dull and spitty.
Love both amps.....I own the new Marshall DSL100 Watt head, sounds pretty amazing , although the eq section was better in the old DSL...but cranked up thru a 4x12, it's a beast!...
The Origin 20 sounds really creamy. I like the vintage tone.
The Origin has a 10 inch Celestion V-Type Speaker and the DSL a 12 inch Seventy80!
the seventy80 is a very transperent speaker. i dont like it!
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@@pedrolourenco2707 the Celestion seventy80 is a budget speaker found in many amps from different manufacturers such as Blackstar , Randall , Laney and Vox Labeled as "VX" speakers .
I have the dsl40c creamback and the 50c origin which I like it doesn't have those dsl highs, I appreciate lower gain amps pushed a tad more. If i want evh i go the dsl or higher gain. It has that plexi bell like tones with zero fizz:)
I am quite surprised that the 10inches speaker gives more cream and bass than the 12. Is it the cabinet effect or tubes vs solid state circuitry ? Anyway Origin for vintage, DSL for modern tones . I play vintage. Johan , how do you compare Origin 20 with 2525 Jubilee ? I used to have the 2525 but sold it , back to my Vox AC15HW1.
They would sound massive together in a left/right mix.
That is exactly what I do! Awesome suggestion!
Is this a default bot comment to every amp comparison video?
@@stillpist Yes, we are all bots.
I like the more vintage sound of the origin. Plus it looks way better that the DSL, which is an added bonus.
I have both and I run them in stereo with a chorus pedal and it sounds so good
I know this is 2 years later but im planning on buying one of them, which one youd say has a better clean side?
@@acrquiteck1349 speaking as an owner, the origin. It is fantastic for cleans
I avoided buying a DSL when I was looking for an amp. It just wasn't that vintage Marshall tone I was looking for. Now the Origin line is right up my alley.
I have been so impressed with my Origins 20 that I can’t imagine playing anything else.
pickledblues Maybe an attenuated vintage plexi?
I have 2 other Marshalls and the Origin 20H is the one i've been using ever since, pur and just enough power.
I have the Origin 20, its a superb Marshall plexi sound and the 10 inch speaker does the job incredibly well.
I think the Origin sounds better with the Tele's single coils and the DSL sounds better with the V's humbuckers. However if I had to choose one amp to use with both guitars I would go with the Origin overall.
As I dsl owner I think your right but if I was gonna make a rapid change I'd have to go with the sv20h u can get the sound of the 70s and even into the 80s until the jcm 800 took hold no amp sounds like it !! I can get the jcm 800 tone on the dsl anyways, thin it out and lower the gain and crank the volume to the sweet spot then turn the treble up on a good quality clean boost 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
honestly the DSL sounded real good. A lot more clarity. Some might find it too trebly, but you can roll that off. I never liked the fizz on the DSL i had Rented. Ultra gain was toooooo much. Sounded good here. Origin was good, but sounded a little like a blanket was over the speaker. Vin30 would make it sound great I imagine.
yes i think they record it really soft on the highs, it can get way brighter.
You can make the dsl sound more like an Origin, but not the other way...
Both sounded good in their own right, but I far preferred the Origin if I had to pick just one. The difference to me was even more pronounced with Simon and the single coils. The Origin sounded so sweet and creamy compared to the brightness of the DSL. The DSL would probably cut more in a mix, but I go for the Origin. You keep tempting us with that Amos V. And I thought I'd talked myself OUT of another V....Rock on brothers!
Johan, not sure how this amp slipped passed me but tonight I played the Origin 20 combo amp tonight at Guitar Center, then I tested out the Vox AC15C1 and Fender Deluxe RI. I was completely blown away at the tone palette coming out the Marshall Origin 20. I thought I was gonna buy the VOX AC15 but now I am not sure sure. There is something magical about Fender Guitars through a Marshall amp that is next level greatness. I used my tele this evening and it was magic and also love the fact that it was simple, no effects other than some gain (perfect for a pedal board) Another bonus feature was the 3 toggle High/Medium/Low output switch, gong from 20w-3W-0.5W. Just WOW, Marshall has really stepped up their game with this series
You guys do far the best comparisons for the DSL vs Origin series. You get a very accurate idea of the differences between the two. The DSL seems to have a more balanced, Fender sound here with the Origin nailing the vintage Marshall tone. Love the sound of the Origin.
For gigging the origin would probably be better. But the DSL on its own would probably be more fun. It's Monday again already. Have a good one
Origin for Single coils
DSL for Humbuckers
Origin for hum buckers too
Is this origin 20 a full Valve amp?
Exactly! I have a 1962' Gibson double cutaway LP Jr. with a single P90 single coil pickup that is just dying to sing through the Marshall Origin 20C! 😁😁
@@oscarmejia8495 Yes it is. The 20 is cathode bias. The 50 has a trim pot. People seem to be opening these amps up and seeing mosfets and IC chips and crying foul but this amp has power scaling, DI (which is honestly pretty rubbish) and speaker emulation. The only criticism is the input headroom is pretty big, so if 'plexi' tone is your goal, you will need to punish it with a pedal or two to really gun it. Personally, I have found that the amp distortion is wonderful (in full power mode + boost engaged) but you will be need to dime the master volume and that means pushing serious DB's. Its crazy (painful + tinnitus inducing) through a half stack without a boost or overdrive pedal to do the heavy lifting. Actually louder (in terms of sheer BAMF) than my AC30.
I liked the Tele with DSLand origin with flying V
Been waiting for a comparison like this. Although still waiting on the Origin 50 vs JTM45!
Me too
Through a good cab (same cab)
Make it a JTM45/50 to make it even at 50W and we got em good
Dumb Dickler I had a jtm 45 for a week. It stayed clean, not very loud, and didn’t even crunch. It was just a weak clean amp that needed a pedal to do anything.
@@billnelson9413 hmm. Not mine.. Needs to be jumpered and cranked though, hopefully with an attenuator.
The 50's - 60's Tone of the Marshall origin 20c is just perfect...
Thanks for making this great comparison I beleive many were waiting for, Johan! Not to mention the intro which was a piece of art by itself. With a few exceptions I preferred the dsl with the humbuckers and the origin with SCs, especially overdriven. Both were great.
I like the Dsl "does a lot of things for dirt cheap" mojo.
Dirty deeds for dirt cheap is about right :) .I got the 20 head and 2x12 and just choke the FX loop with a home made volume pedal so I can push it harder and get a fuller sound at lower volumes.
That Origin 20 sounded really good though.
Waaaaiiit I've just checked the price, is that what you call dirt cheap? I've got way too used to solid state prices my Marshall mg sounds kinda similar to the dsl tho
I'm shocked at how much I wasn't keen on the DSL tone. The Origin just sounds so good in comparison.
I'd be interested to hear is a comparison between the Origin 20 and the Fender Bassbreaker 15.
Why is no one talking about how he's play a telecaster with a Gibson headstock and an epiphone name
...or the B.O.C. Hat!
I think Johan did various videos on swapping out necks but I don't remember if that's his guitar.
If we already knew about it, it would explain the lack of mention in the comments.
There was a period in the 1980s when Epiphone had a thing with Gibson explorer type headstocks. Kramer, Jackson, and Charvell guitars were all the rage. They all had pointy, 6 inline headstocks (then came the pointy reverse headstock craze for a few years). I think Epiphone borrowed the Pointiest Gibson headstock style to stay relevant . Epiphone made some strange guitar models during that time. A friend of mine had an HSS strat style epiphone with that explorer type headstock. They made Telecaster type guitars as well.
@@Kevlarel84 I had one of the "strats" with the explorer headstock too.
That's an Epiphone T-310. Yep! Straight up Epiphone! They even made Strat style guitars too. Those were of the late '89 to '90s era I believe.
In this format the Origin really nails the classic JTM 45 type fat tones BUT you never took advantage of the DSL20's fat tones available on the Ultra Gain channel with the gain dialed in at around 3 to 4 on the gain knob and backed off to about 7 or 8 on the guitar volume. The DSL20 is one of Marshall's most versatile little guys once you know how to take advantage of the abundant array of sonic potentials it's capable of easily delivering.
I love the hair on the Origin - it may only do one tone, but that's the exact tone I want, whereas the DSL does many tones I don't care for! I'm amazed by how good you make the Origin 20 sound though, I couldn't get it anywhere near as big sounding - I ultimately went with the Origin 50 combo to avoid the 20's boxiness, and I couldn't be happier. :-)
Love the Origin ! I got an Origin 20 H with 2x12 v30 speakers and i love it, the dsl is more for modern tones.
ur better off with the combo. Practice at home with combo live run it through a 212. U can pur the 212 vertical and combo on top
I think the dsl has the real vintage Marshall tones. The origin is more like a low watt Fender tweed sound. The dsl is in the Hendrix color spectrum.
You and Simon have such wonderfully complementary playing styles! Simon is the type of Fender player I'd love to be, but never will and your Gibson style is awesome as well. Great pair of amps...and I need to stop watching videos on Origin 20s or I'm going to end up buying one (when I promised myself I wasn't going to shop for any gear for a while).
I am shocked at how magical the Tele sounds through the Origin at the end of the demo ! I would run them both in parallel. Super comparison Johan !!! 👍
I got the Dsl... It's a genuine Marshall. Those Marshall highs are bell like and scratchy which is an important part of the Marshall character...
The Origin is closer to some kind of low watt tweed Fender amp. Its muffled and fuzzy. It sounds vintage but its dull and muddy.
Great demo. Loads of people criticise the Origin series for being too trebly but this is proof of the opposite
I've played the Origin in Guitar Center. It felt really clean, which is nice, just like a vintage Marshall.
i choose between this 2 before. but i ended up on marshall jubilee 2525H. 😊
Congrats, good decision!
Thats a nice amp. I got it and the dsl 40 cr and they are different for sure. But then i plug into my vox and fender and..... well feel spoiled.haha love me some silver.
chris tian Sweet
chris tian I’m literally on the verge of ordering my 2525h, the only reason I haven’t is cause I’m studying for an important test and I know I won’t get any work done so it will be my reward when I pass it! I can’t wait!
I just bought a Jubilee and a DSL to see which one i like more
It would be great if you compare both tops with the same speaker cabinet!
3:49 is when the DSL20 starts winning. Seriously, they're both good amps.
Johan, the DSL has a more open, high sound Origin has a more bassey thicker, old Marshall sound. Yet I enjoy both! I bought both when they came out from Guitar Center on Sunset Blvd here in Hollywood California. Great mid range amps!
Agree, I tried out both amps and would liked to have bought both.
I bought the DSL as I felt I could get more tones.
Also my brother who was testing the amps with me took a liking to the Origin which was better for his style. Just waiting for him to buy the Origin.
Just bought the origin to use in a stereo set up.
Origin on the left, Hand wired VOX ac15 on the right
I buyed a marshall origin 20c soon after watch your review Johan. Thanks for the advice. This amp sounds killer!
Sound is a personal thing and my liking goes to the DSL and the Flying V
I think the Origin sounds cracking for the price but the DSL is hitting the correct mids for cutting it in a live mix. I would be happy adding either one to my collection .
Hit it with a tube screamer
I favoured the Origin overall, but for certain riffs/examples I preferred the DSL. I think Johan summed it up quite nicely at the beginning, they are good at different things.
I prefer the Origin but the truth is that they really both do co completely different things. It’s still great to compare though. Great video!
Been shopping dsl20 and 40...thanks for showing dsl20, its got simplicity going for it and my ears like it.
The origin sounds really really good. It is almost like a new take on the class 5
I got the Origin 50H a year now. Using also a booster in fronf, you can get also nice distorsion at low volumes. I got also a DSL1HR in the living room for practice. Origin for high volumes, DSL for low volumes...
Wow, really love the Origin’s character. Less trebly than the DSL, but heaps of punch.
I’ve played both amps. They both sound good. The DSL20CR does sound a bit harsh and that’s due to the shitty stock 70/80 speaker. I own the DSL20CR and put in a UK made Greenback made in 2000 and it sounds excellent.
The DSL sounds more "clinical" -- you can hear each string in a chord and the overall tone has a nice bite that no doubt would cut through the mix in a live setting. The Origin sounds great, almost JCM800-ish in how everything is warm and buttery, which is ideal for rhythm. The solution obviously is for one guitarist in a band to use the DSL, and the other use the Origin. =)
Or a dual amp rig where you switch to the Dsl for solos 😁😁😁
DSL is too bright and brittle, as much as i try, i can’t seem to like it
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Both great amps, but it's the Origin 20C for me. Just depends on your style and what you like. 👍
Haha...if only the Origin could sound a little more like the DSL and if the DSL could sound a little more like the Origin. In other words...the origin has a lovely honk in the 400-600hz area, but there's just too much of it. And the DSL could use more of that very quality.
Could maybe be fixed with a larger mid pot, tgen you have more flexibility with the mids. I did this to my marshall clone, very good for fine tuning. Go to 100k or 250 k mid pot..
You can see it in action in the Duncan amp tools tone stack simulator.. At 1 you have less mids, at 5 like its cranked now.
For less mids stays between 1 and 3 on the mids..
For the DSL one could do thecsame pot and stay between 5 and 10..
Exactly
Speaker swap.... change to creamback
I love the Origin series. Genuine vintage Marshall tone. Best result is an Origin head with 2 x 12 cab.
i compared the two at the local GC (guitar center). the origin sounds good only when turned up higher than bedroom level. the DSL may not sound as creamy as the origin but plays at lower volumes better.
I think it depends a lot on what you want out of the amp and what kind of player you are. If you want that vintage sound, and don't need tons of gain from the amp, the Origin might be your best option. I noticed you were on the clean channel on the DSL for almost the whole shoot, only switching over to the distortion channel (red light) for a moment. That was the moment when I said, "That's what I'm talking about!" I have a DSL 40c, and I tend to use it either full-clean or with a lot of gain, using a pedal to push the clean if I want some crunch from it.
I think the same
I own a dsl40c and I am surprised how much more I like the Origin. And great playing from both of you!
The DSL defaults to a much brighter tone, but the Origin has a "Tilt" control that, when cranked all the way to 10, very closely matches the DSL in brightness. The old Marshall Plexi amps had four inputs, and you could bridge two of them in order to get a much brighter sound. The Origin 20's "Tilt" control is designed to let you emulate that. Crank it to 10 and it's full "bridged input" mode -- very bright. Turn it back to zero and it's the equivalent of the Plexi's single-input darker tone. I don't think y'all had the Tilt control cranked up here -- that made the Origin sound much darker than the DSL.
But heck -- either one of these amps will give you a great tone. The Origin is more "vintage" sounding, and the DSL is more "modern" sounding. Just my opinion, of course.
Why did I watch this? I was perfectly happy with my DSL15 tone. Hearing these side by side...the origin sounds so much better. It's smooth and creamy.
I want to go out and buy one now! As usual, great video. Keep 'em coming!
I'm happy with my DSL setup. I replaced the stock seventy80 speakers in my cab with WGS speakers. It made a huge difference.
I love these comparison videos but I have found it useful to listen without watching first to avoid any bias.
The origin definetly has a SOUL while the DSL is clean as a wistle. If you want to rock your heart out the origin is the bomb for that but if you want a cleaner tone with a versetile playability on a saturday with the band then the DSL20 is the thing for you. Personally, the Origin resonates with my soul. It would be awesome to just rock my heart out with it.
You may have just sold me on the Origin lol
I don't know if I've ever heard a larger difference in tone btw two amps from the same manufacturer that are so similar on paper. The Origin sounds amazing . I own the DSL 20 and will be selling it very soon to purchase an Origin.
Feels like DSL
If you’ve got a tele its just a matter of taste. I prefer the the origin cause highs are more tamed but the dsl offers more clarity on the expense of having to dial back the tone knob most of the time. On the other hand the humbuckers need the extra trebly sound of the dsl, the origin makes the flying v sound way too muffled to stand out in a mix. Also the dsl appears to have a way bigger headroom than the origin which should also be taken into account.
The Origin 20C wins (to my ears) every single time.
The DSL sounds wayyy too treble-spike'y to me.
Jack P. Walker that’s because it is. I had one
me and me he did use Gibson on both amps though
That's why I got the Dsl... It's a Marshall. Those Marshall high's that are bell like and scratchy are part of the Marshall character...
The Origin is closer to some kind of low watt tweed Fender amp. Dull, muddy, fuzzy,
@@pupilmover9835 "The Origin is closer to some kind of low watt tweed Fender amp" funny thats why I got one! Also the tilt knob turned all the way to the right sounds way more bright like the dsl
I have a dsl and to me the origin sounds a lot warmer here. The dsl seems brittle on the top end but just roll the treble back and turn the mids up. I also cut a bunch of highs with a mxr 10 band eq.
Owned both. Still have the DSL, but sold the Origin. With the right settings, the top end of the DSL really sparkles and has very pleasant transients. It also has SO much gain on tap where you’re able to replicate these tones at a much more manageable volume than you can with the Origin.
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That bit in the 2:00-2:40---> section- wow! It may be part of a song that I don't know, but very Rolling Stones! Great demo overall, thank you.
I just picked up a used DSL20 fitted with a V30 for £195 !!! Bargain of the century and I'm very impressed with it.
2 entirely different shades...
Got some people saying 'origin sounds like it has a blanket over it' some saying 'DSL is overly bright and harsh sounding'
Can't win or can't go wrong?
Still think the speakers play a massive part... bigger than most realise.
Just want to say also that ALL issues of the Origin series have been taken massively out of proportion, and I am thoroughly happy with mine, having looked into every issue anyone has come up with, and resolved them all! And given advice to anybody I've come across asking about them, while others have continued to slather unfounded, uneducated hate!! :-/
Nice sounds all round Johan, thank you, :-)
I own a DSL20CR and had to order it three times until I got one that does not have a weird rustling hiss in the background. What other issues have you found and more importantly solved?
Ahh, bugger, should have said, I meant the Origin....
But to go through the issues...
* someone didn't bias theirs, ran it full blast and burnt the pcb out. They may contest that, but I can't see what he described as a reoccurring icident as no one else has reported anything like it
* speaker jacks, many are aware of this, the 2 8ohm outs will only work 1 at a time, so you can't plug in 2 16ohm cabs, Marshall know about this and have been fixing them.
* fx loop, if you use the fx loop, it defaults to off if the footswitch is removed, a simple jack plug can left in for it to stay on.
* someone reported one of the internal connections not been connected, Never saw any confirmation.
I have the dsl40c. The first thing to do is chunk the 70/80 speaker (its not as bad if you break it in) for a vintage 30 or greenback. Then roll the tubes, I'm using Mullard and Genalax, you'll find some awesome Marshall tones that make the price tag for the amp and upgrades seem dirt cheap.
I’ve got the DSL20CR and was never impressed until I got a vintage 4x12 Blackheart cab off a yard sale page for cheap .... Changed everything
Excellent video! Both amps sound great but I’m gonna run out and buy DSL20 immediately!! Keep on Rockin‘ !!
Had an 80s original DSL 20 fantastic sold. It got another one wasn't quite as good, but still better than anything nowadays.
Wow both sounded great. Hats off to Johan and Simon for the playing. The first 3 and half minutes or so the Origin crushed it, and the last half the DSL sounded ace.
Is it me or does the Origin sound more like a n Orange? Its got that thick fuzzy goodness as where the DSL is more clearer but thinner sounding.
This is a very interesting comparison. What really stuns me is how good 'Amos' sounds through either amp. The single coils and the DSL just aren't a great match to my ears. But wow...that Epiphone is a killer sounding guitar! Thanks Johan!
Whoa the dsl actually sounds sooo much better. It’s really crispy, bright, transparent, and delicious. I thought I would’ve liked the origin more.
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The DSL is super bright and grating, all due to the speaker. Swap that Seveny80 out with something decent, and it'll sound better. But I'd still go with the Origin.
The Origin sounds way more like a good vintage amp, the DSL sounds like a really good budget modern amp. I like them both, but I'd take the Origin
I love Johns one foot in front of the other pentatonic shred stance!
Thanks Johan, love your channel!
The Origin wins in my opinion.
I wonder how the Origin 20 compares to the Fender Bassbreaker 15. Would that be a possibility for a comparison video? Thanks again!
I was thinking the same thing!
Again, as usual, nice one man. Although, whatever switch you flipped at the 4:min mark (on the dsl. Rhythm to lead I would imagine) is how they should be compared no? Up until then it was difficult to assess what the dal had to offer. I will keep watching. You rock friend!
Awesome video! I’ll have to watch it again, had a little bit of trouble telling which one you were using!
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the origin 20 is the plexi amp amazing tone all the way.huge tone and clean and full.
I had to go with the DSL20CR when I was looking. Liked the Origin 20, but found it was a one trick pony and the 1 x 10" speaker removed frequencies you cannot dial back in, whereas the DSL clean/disto channels give some options and replaced OD pedals. Now, if I were to level up wattage, I'd pick the Origin 50 over the DSL40. Weight is one benefit, but the bigger cab and 12" speaker open her right up. I just don't need it (yet!).
On the DSL20, first day I swapped out the 70/80 speaker and it made a big difference. Tried different speakers - Greenback, Creamback Neo, Swamp Thang and Tonkerlite. CB Neo was perhaps the traditional best fit, but settled on the Tonkerlite because it suited both channels, but also gets louder before saturation on the clean.
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Wow I didn't know there was a DSL 20.
They both sound great!
I think I leaning towards liking the Origin better, n I'm a DSL owner
I really like both of them. Both bring great sounds from the past, and I think both offer great sounds for the future as well. You always find some of the greatest toys Johan!!! Great V and Epi Tele too!!
I gave a dsl20 combo on loan for the next month. Honestly it’s a really good amp. I keep reading about the Celestion 70/80 being a crappy speaker but I find it to be very good and it’s not broken in yet. It’s sound fantastic turned up loud but I can still get great tone with the master turned down on the low wattage setting.
A greenback or warehouse veteran really adds to the overall sound quality of the amp. The 70/80 isn't a bad speaker but it kept the dsl series in the target price area. Loading it with a greenback or creamback would have added atleast another $150 -$200 on the amp. That's now putting the dsl40c with a creamback close to $1000 after taxes. That's a lot to ask for an Indonesian made amp. Buying a used dsl40h and finding a used 2x12 v30 thats broken in showcases how great the amp is for under $600.
excellent comparison, I own the Orgin 50 and love the more vintage Marshall tone with great cleans as well......DSL is excellent also just different uses.....
Thanks, Johan! I bought an Origin 20C a couple months ago and your video makes me feel even better about the decision.
I really love the origin’s sound
Feels really strange to see someone else use this, but i have the exact same epiphone tele in the custard baige color. Made in Korea 1992, they are really good teles!
Perfect tone would be the blend of both. One sounds too muddy, other too thin. But I suspect DSL sits better in the mix.
The DSL 20 all the way. The clarity is perfect. Treble can be dialed down if it's too much for some but it has that option. You heard the Origin color the clean too much. You can't undo that. You either start clean or you don't. I would choose the DSL as a better clean amp and a better pedal platform amp. The Origin does take the win in the looks department though.
I have the Origin 20 and had considered the DSL but just did not like the DSL tone at all, sounded too cold and sharp,(might have just been that particular amp tho) the Origin just sounds more classic vintage IMO.
Both needs new JJ tubes and a Celestion Greenback!!!
There’s better tubes than JJ! JJ’s are bland and have no personality
Ruby Tubes are better!
I’ve owned both in combo form. The Origin 20 destroys the DSL.
Is it louder ?
Lol. Not
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@@LennySugiono It gets a vintage sound…cool cleans with single coils…some knob turning and it sounds great with Fenders or Gibsons. Takes pedals well…I switched out out the 10” speaker for a 12”. The DSL just sounded flat to me…dull and spitty.
Love both amps.....I own the new Marshall DSL100 Watt head, sounds pretty amazing , although the eq section was better in the old DSL...but cranked up thru a 4x12, it's a beast!...
THIS WAS AQWESOME MATE!! Thank you much! ...Most detail I've heard. Cool comparison. May do the Origin.
20c with the flying V for me, it's very subjective tho
Origin all day long for that classic vintage 60s-70s rock sound.
Definitely the Origin 20, plus it's got such a cool vintage look!
The Origin sounds really good on it's own, but I could imagine that the DSL sits better in a band/mix situation ..?