The Beths - "Expert In A Dying Field" (Official)
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2022
- "Expert In A Dying Field" features on The Beths' forthcoming album "Expert In A Dying Field", out September 16 via Carpark Records and Ivy League
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CAST
The Beths:
Elizabeth Stokes
Jonathan Pearce
Benjamin Sinclair
Tristan Deck
And starring Larry Killip as himself
CREW
Director: Frances Carter
DOP: Olly Harris
1st AC: Caleb Corlett
Gaffer: JP MacDonald
Best Boy: Bevan Crothers
LX Assist: Ezra King
Editor: Frances Carter
Titles: Lily Paris West
Location: Larry Killip
Thanks to Drew Wright and Metrofilm
LYRICS
Can we erase our history
Is it as easy as this
Plausible deniability
I swear I’ve never heard of it
And I can close the door on us
But the room still exists
And I know you’re in it
Hours of phrases I’ve memorised
Thousands of lines on the page
All of my notes in a desolate pile
I haven’t touched in an age
And I can burn the evidence
But I can’t burn the pain
And I can’t forget it
How does it feel
To be an expert in a dying field
How do you know
It’s over when you can’t let go
You can’t stop
Can’t rewind
Love is learned over time
‘Til your an expert in a dying field
The city is painted with memory
The water will never run clear
The birds and the bees and the flowers and trees
They know that we’ve both been here
And I can flee the country for the worst of the year
But I’ll come back to it
How does it feel
To be an expert in a dying field
How do you know
It’s over when you can’t let go
You can’t stop
Can’t rewind
Love is learned over time
‘Til you’re an expert in a dying field
Can we erase our history
Is it as easy as this
Maybe in other realities
The road never took this twist
And I can close the door on us
But the room still exists 
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Maaaaaaan... that line "I can close the door on us, but the room still exists." just hits me right in the feels.
"And I know you're in it." I agree, this is powerful stuff and this line hits hard and sticks with me. I took it initially as those we've been with, but we broke up with. I sometimes see it from the point of losing a loved one, in the sense that no one is ever truly gone so long as you remember them - they live forever in you, and the stories you tell of them. They are always with you should you need them.
She's an incredible lyricist (as well as musician!) so many of her lines just hit so hard!
me when I turned 8 months old and just got object permanence.
There's nothing I love more than a band whose members are all singing
Me too 🤩😍🎸
As an opera fan I'm with you, this band sucks ass
@@julesl6910 I didn't ask if you were
And they all live together collecting various bits of ancient arcana while someone's dad serves coffee and tinkers with worn out electronics.
Yes! From Beatles to Pixies lol
"i can close the door on us, but the room still exists, and I know you're in it"
fuck, man :'(
Never heard of the Beths but this is an instant classic
Welcome! You’re gonna love it here lol
You should check more of their earlier works, guaranteed you're going to like it.
the back catalog is no joke..
Agreed on both points.
Ditto
I woke up this morning with The Beths playing in my head. Walked the dog listening to The Beths. Now on RUclips listening to The Beths. I stumbled across this band about a year ago and they’ve been my obsession since.
This is really one of the best songs I’ve ever heard. Fantastic lyrics, great harmonies and the video is so well thought out and done.
It’s criminal that The Beths aren’t hugely popular.
this is one of the best metaphorical pretenses I've heard in a love song in a looooong time. brilliant
If you like live music, do not miss them.
@@hurkamur1 good reply
@@hurkamur1 I missed them and have deep regrets, please people heed this warning.
Whats the(a) metaphorical pretense(?)) In this song
@@stonecutter2 was waffling on whether to see em or not, just bought tickets for the toronto show and plan on travelling 8 hours in februrary :)
As a professional in a dying field, also going through the end of a very long term relationship, this song hits deep. Thank you for giving voice to my feelings.
I hope you are ok 🫂
@@alejandrorivas4585 hurting, but moving forward as best as I can. Your words have helped more than you can know. Thank you.
jesse you expressed the power of the song perfectly and if you can feel it you are alive and going to be ok
yeah a lot of jobs will die and disapear with AI soon one day.
@@vectoralphaAI not what is happening in my field
It’s a rare moment in life when you hear a piece of music and instantly realize you have a new favorite song. It’s the feeling of seeing a comet - and knowing that you may never experience it again, which causes you to savor it all the more.
You're so right, seeing a comet is about how boring this is.
It doesn't happen frequently enough, which is why I'm so happy it did today!
@@julesl6910 why are you here?
Holy shit, this.
Putting out well written and well-crafted pop songs like this one shows that the Beths are an expert in a dying field.
Am 62. An engineer in imaging and an amateur radio enthusiast.
Between Canon announcing the end of the Single Lens Reflex Camera, The extinction of records, The disinterest my own son has in radio communication, the extinction of four stroke motorcycles and tractors without clutches??
Yes. It feels bad. Wrong somehow.
But. My old Pioneer SX 70 played this song beautifully over a Bluetooth receiver with an audio to RCA adapter.
:-))
Hi, I'm a software engineer and a radio amateur too - and yes, this song hit home precisely. I could be the gentleman doing the soldering... and if The Beths ever tour the UK, they'd be welcome to play in my garage :)
I own this album on vinyl and it sounds wonderful, records are very much alive and need your support :). Buy a cheap record player and spin that vinyl like you used to.
60 years old. 3 Generations of musicians. My twin brother's son is uninterested in studying music. I had high hopes for my nephew carrying the torch forward. We are a family of engineers chemical, electrical, and business managers. But we all have all been musicians. It seems that we have come to our familial artistic end, and it is heart-wrenching.
This song is precisely calibrated to destroy me. The music and the singer's voice are absolutely captivating, and the lyrics hold my most cherished core values in front of me and demonstrate that they are, at best, beautifully tragic, at worst, meaningless.
Curiosity? Perseverance? No, in the long run, expertise in any subject won't matter. Kindness? Love? You know those things aren't magical, they take work to be good at, and in the end expertise in any subject won't matter. One way or another, my love for anything, anyone, will eventually be obsolete.
And that chorus?! It tugs at my heartstrings, then yanks them until they break, then leaves me to bleed out on the floor… a little puddle of catharsis… then I play it again. 3 more time
Well done, The Beths, I hope you’re proud of yourselves.
This is the most concise and well written deconstruction of this song that i've come across, you've gotten at exactly why it's so powerful to me, and no doubt the majority of the people who keep coming back to it.
We must be bound by something. Nice breakdown. I have been acutely drawn to all those things you wrote.
Favorite line that I just realized "can't stop, can't rewind". Throwback to VHS 🫠 era.
...and (poetically) you can't! Stop and rewind
Ugh! Sigh*
They fucking rock as well, can't stop!
big shoutout to larry killip!!! hes had this room ready to go for filming for several decades
can we talk about how good these lyrics are?
It’s refreshing to hear intelligent, thought-provoking lyrics after endless insipid pop songs about romance.
No but actually. I'd never heard this band before and this came on autoplay. I wasn't immediately hooked by the guitar riffs, it's not bad, but similar to stuff I've heard before,so I almost clicked off the video-- but I gave it a chance through the opening lyrics and was transfixed. This lyrics here are absolute poetry of another breed.
No, absolutely not. You can't talk about that.
The fuck was the point of your comment here!?
The song is so fire because if you're in a niche hobby especially in the modern day you can empathize with the feeling of this even if you completely ignore like the underlying love song. We're not even completely ignored because yeah a hobby is something special
I keep coming back to this song (and, shit, I'm 64 years old). Love this band and this song is pure pop perfection!
Great song, great band! Cheers from Brazil!
Love is learned (cultivated) over time.
I had a very acrimonious falling out with some friends about a year ago, and I've missed them every day to the detriment of my mental health. The line, "I can close the door but the room still exists with you in it" summarises everything I've felt. You guys really are the best ❤
I have wondered if my ex feels this or not ? Song seems to be a mash of both our feelings
whoa, I read your comment just as she sang it!! first time listening. spooky…
Call your friends…life is too short…
"I can close the door on us/But the room still exists" is brilliant, yes. Another way of stating that the past is not dead, in fact it's not even past.
I love how the song builds to a massive finale, the jangling guitars and everyone singing interesting harmonies layers upon layers of noise, it’s so catchy and naive viewed alongside the commercial music that gets rammed down our throats.
Elizabeth Stokes has no peer in the songwriting category of forever. This song rocks me like no other.
Not only does Beth have the voice of an Angel but the music makes me feel like I'm 17 again. Even this song hits emotions of early adulthood and can't help but to go back in time for a few moments each time I hear it.
As an old retired analog electrical engineer, this really speaks (or rather sings) to me. Very catchy tune, and I do love the all-too-familiar items that populate the house. Including the old guy soldering -- I identify with him, including his delight in the group performing in the garage.
This is on location in that guy's house.
@@slash196 Makes it even more authentic! This song and performance is "trending" in the "antique electronics" online community. It certainly touches my heart.
@k8zhd Hey so I know I'm just some random person on the internet, but I have a question to ask from your experience. I'm studying engineering right now(Mechatronics and Mechanical) and I'm about to finish my first year, I honestly have always been afraid of a day where I'm an expert in a dying or dead field. A person with ages of studying and experience that no one has an interest in, and I genuinely want to know just, how do you cope with that? how does one address the fact that going into any field like this, chances are some day, all the knowledge I have will be obsolete?
@@thedonutpug5021 There is no constant but change, and keeping up/changing with the flow of new technology is important. Learning is never obsolete, though some techniques or devices will go out of fashion or be superseded by new technology. My college training (BSEE '71) in bipolar transistors and RTL logic was obsolete in a few years but provided the necessary background for all that followed. My knowledge of analog (NTSC) television cameras allowed me to diagnose a flaw in the digital processing of an HDTV system.
Stay interested in what you're doing, keep up to speed with technology trends, and you'll be fine. Mechanics is basically timeless & I think mechatronics (perhaps in forms we can't envision now) will provide you plenty to keep you engaged and challenged.
You may be too young to notice that "dying" fields rarely actually die. Vinyl records and chemical photography, for example, are enjoying a resurgence, and those who were experts in those fields are sought after again. Keep the faith!
Wish they could've used a CRT scope though lol
I can feel the love and admiration for "Dad" in this video. Beautiful song and beautiful video. Well done!
As a middle aged curmudgeon, constantly bemoaning the state of modern music, I looked this song up the other day following a Reddit recommendation. Binged on the three albums since and The Beth’s are honestly the contemporary best band I’ve heard in years. Great melodies and clever lyrics with just the right combination of indie jangle and crunch. Love ,em!
If you like the Beth's you should check out Alvvays
Also check out Michigander. Not a miss in their whole discography - excellent!
Check out Ty Segall, King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard, Courtney Barnett, big thief, mac Demarco, Wand, Allah Las, La Luz, and maybe the frights if ya like punk. Theres more names but thats a few to get you started
You're not looking hard enough if you don't like "modern music" Right now is by far the best time in history for music creation and discovery. And it's not even close. There's more good music to listen to right now than you'd ever have time to listen to in your lifetime
I completely agree
The more I listen, the more I believe that this is one of the best songs of the year.
You're delusional
The more I listen, the more I believe its just one of the best songs.
Am slain
There's something so satisfying about the view of the mug and record with the words "Expert in a Dying Field" exactly as the tune reaches that point in the lyrics.
As a librarian, I feel this song haha
But we love you so…
Was thinking exactly the same thing.
I feel a warm glow knowing librarians still exist out there
There will always be purists, hopefully enough to sustain the librarians,
As another librarian, I feel like the shift towards new challenges, media and the purpose of the library as a meeting place is invigorating and rewarding. The library as a cultural arena, a place for political discussion, niche theatre, book talks, memorials, and more are a welcomed addition to all the shelf stocking and book lending. At the very least you get less time behind a desk searching for stuff. But I also know exactly what you mean about feeling this song.
Omg I love it. "I can close the door on us but the room still exists" is such a brilliant line👌🏻
The old dude reminds me so much of my dad it's insane, I miss him 💙
Dammit Beths... why do ya have to write a song that literally describes my whole headspace right now?! I mean way more than a tough breakup. Must be the simulation. 10/10
I feel the same way 😭
At least we’re not alone
@@repasiv neither the song nor the op are about any of that. It’s about getting over someone you’ve learned to love.
I give up
sometimes I fear what the future may hold, but you might be one of our best defenses.
I can't get enough of this song!
Driving home from the hospital to find out my cancer is in remission and heard it! Howled it so loud and lovely 🩷
Congratulations. I hope you stay healthy
Me: This band doesn't sound like they're from New Zealand.
The Beths: 🎵When ya cahnt lit gou, when ya cahnt lit gou🎵
Me: Ah, there it is.
Fantastic track. Been on repeat all day.
They're definitely from Nuu Zullund 😆
Also the way she sings Erase like it has a z in it. Delightful!
Eykspuht
Am inveyus whuy pritind am naut
OMG Totally! They sound like they're from Korea, oh wait that's where professional musicians come from
I've heard this song countless times since it's release but it doesn't matter - the final "love is learned over time" still gives me shivers. One of the greatest of all time.
This song is so incredibly well written
[whispers]
They ALL are. 🥝 🎸
I don't know if you're aware, it was written by the drummer's 3 year old daughter. But good on her right?
Yes. The lyrics are beautiful and the vocal interplay amongst the band members is somehow simultaneously soothing and exciting - but the warm, fuzzy guitar intro also satisfies an internal need that I didn’t know I even had.
The notepad that reminds us "Love is learned over time" at minute 2:43. Brilliant!
There's a lot of Easter eggs lyrically and hidden in the video. The guys shirt, for one.
@@abellopez. I geeked out on an hour-long video where the guitarist leads us through their rehearsal/recording studio where they grind out the sausage, and he mentioned some amp guru that keeps all their amps and gear in good nick. I have to believe it is the very dude in this video. That tech guy is a doppelganger for my 2nd quarter college electrical engineering professor Mr. Greyill(sp?). They called him "the holy grail" because he had a rep for separating the wheat from the chaff. He had a heavy rep, but I did not find him too tough because I already had 2 years of electronics in high school, but man, there was about a 50% attrition rate in that class. I guess he lived up to his reputation. The chap in the video so reminds me of him.
heard them of a live stream of Coachella, they are keeping the rock alive with that sweet 90' vibe, great stuff
Bro I’m only 32 and this is how everything I like feels
Hey I’m old as fuck, I mean 32 also
try being 24 and repairing microcassette recorders
Found this song before I got laid off of work. I really thought i was gonna struggle finding a job but a month later, I got the work that I can only dream off. It felt like I was an expert in a dying field in my profession
As a self-professed expert in a field long past dead, I respect this.
I cannot even begin to describe how much I love this song, this video, this band.
i really identify with this song but not because of a break up, but because i'm a huge frustrated nerd
At least you're not a frustrated nerd who like paleontology -- and living in Jurassic Park.
Yes! One Million!!
One million views, and just in time for the anniversary of the album release! Go on, Beths!
I discover this band AND they are playing with the national, in my town. Omg. The tickets are $120 for general standing though, lol. What an emotional rollercoaster.
Do it do it do it do it
Had to rewatch the vid a second time, cos the first time I hit replay I could only listen to the song while my eyes welled up with joy. The lyrics are just the most beautiful poetry, and it's delivered beautifully with amazing audio, I really love this track so much in just a short amount of time!
indeed
indeed
Check out their other songs you'll love them
@@GiddyGoons ohmygod it's already out I thought there were five more days to go?!
Don't worry, on the third view your eyes will take a crap on your face in the form of salty tears when you realize you saw this three times and your life only got worse
As an expert in a dying field, I endorse this absolute bop. You've made a new fan.
what's the field?
@@frogman1 Wrigley Field
I can't leave this video alone
At the beginning of my last relationship I remember listening to "Future me Hates me" right after it came out, hopelessly in love, teary eyed, and strapped in for the ride.
This single came out right at the very end of our relationship, and it hit me like a ton of bricks.
I hope The Beths never stop making music...
I hope.
this comes out at 4:30 AM for me but i guarantee i'll be there
yeah it was good
@@starsigngd hell yeah it was
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This must be the first time an amp tech features in a music video, thanks for that ;-).
I bought the album on the strength of this song and I ended up buying all the back catalogue,best new music I've heard in years
Love the way their song lyrics are always cleverly saying something simple. Fits the music like a glove.
its like listening to a friend telling you about their day. so intimate and conversational. best song about ai takin our jobs ive ever heard.
"I can close the door on us, but the room still exists" is a great line.
@@neoniastarz its not really about ai taking our jobs
@@dakineprotoss it was a joke … ai will take all our jobs and relationships tho :(
Finally got to see them live this year after waiting for 2 years. They were so fantastic. Thanks to the Beths for brightening up my day.❤️🥁🎸🎤🎶✌️
This song has lived in my head for two months now, and it's helped made it a better place. Thank you.
Not sure if anyone else can hear it but I swear she has to have imogen heap as a inspiration for her singing. This song has definitely risen in my repeat playlist.
The pre-chorus is literally the sound of a heart soaring
As the soul takes flight from this wretched world? Yeah feeling that
cannot stop listening to tthis tune
This should be the ending theme for a tv show or a movie. That's the vibes I'm getting from here
It's called pop music.
@@_Webpersona I feel like a lot of pop songs don't evoke that kind of feeling, but then again it's pretty subjective.
Would've fit in perfect as a song on scrubs
coming of age movies
I think it's the ending theme for this shit band
The way they put that unexpected minor chord over the word "dying" in the last line of the chorus is genius!! (I was going to say "Beatles level genius," but....)
Yep, classic Minor IV, one of the best uses of it I've heard in absolutely ages.
Love the lead singers voice, such timbre and quality! And the drink server guy!!
I can't believe how fantastic this song is. I've listened to it over a dozen times...and counting. The Beths are best thing to come out of New Zealand since kiwifruit and Lord Of The Rings movies.
Just can't get this song out of my head. Thank you! Bye from northern Germany.
This song gets better every time I listen to it
As beautiful as I hoped
The easy switch between pitch and falsetto is everything.
I love the metaphor of this song. Expert in the dying field of loving a person.
I am a mostly-a-little-bit-sad indie-fan from cologne. This song is full of heart. I clap hands in my living room.
This is one of my favorite songs rn
Everything about this is perfect. The Beths just keep getting better and better.
it's the little touches I love.. The album title is "Expert in a Dying Field" (btw, TANZA was a NZ record label from '49-'56), the line at the bottom of Larry's t-shirt , "Maybe in other Realities"
As a lover of power pop, this is really exceptional. Musically precise, beautiful harmonies within the song's structure, but then the smarts of the writing...oh my. This is indeed an instant classic.
Lots of smart touches in the video too. Love the lyric reveals, especially on the amp tech’s shirt.
I love Power Pop too and this song is perfect!
@@me05501 Yes! It's so...soft? kind? and yet cool.
@@me05501 Also the shirt reveal comes at a time when you're already half-expecting it but not really looking for it. At that point in the song they say how there are these moments when it seems things could have gone another way - ope but then there they are, set in stone.
Wow, I just crawled out from under a rock and discovered this yesterday. I listened to the whole catalog. 🤯 The melodies, harmonies and songwriting. Absolutely incredible.
Absolute killer pop song. Hits every single mark, maybe even some I didn't know existed. Bravo! Brava! Tres bien!
I know I'm dead after hearing this drivel
Instantly knew it was a great song from New Zealands best band, became my song of the year and now has the Apra Silver scroll for 2023! well earned
Can we erase our history
Is it as easy as this
Plausible deniability
I swear I've never heard of it
And I can close the door on us
But the room still exists
And I know you're in it
Hours of phrases I've memorized
Thousands of lines on the page
All of my notes in a desolate pile
I haven't touched in an age
And I can burn the evidence
But I can't burn the pain
And I can't forget it
How does it feel (how does it feel)
To be an expert in a dying field
And how do you know (how do you know)
It's over when you can't let go
You can't let go, you can't stop, you can't rewind
Love is learned over time
'Til you're an expert in a dying field
The city is painted with memory
The water will never run clear
The birds and the bees and the flowers and trees
They know that we've both been here
And I can flee the country for the worst of the year
But I'll come back to it
How does it feel (how does it feel)
To be an expert in a dying field
And how do you know (how do you know)
It's over when you can't let go
You can't let go, you can't stop, you can't rewind
Love is learned over time
'Till you're an expert in a dying field
Can we erase our history
Is it as easy as this
Maybe in other realities
The road never took this twist
And I can close the door on us
But the room still exists
How does it feel (how does it feel)
How do you know (how do you know)
Can't stop, can't rewind
Love is learned over time
'Til you're an expert in a dying field
Oh, an expert in a dying field
Literally poetry! Thanks for that!!
My heart knew to cry before my brain did. Brilliant lyrics.
In my perfect world a song like this would be a runaway #1 smash hit. So much better than 98% of what's on the radio.
hold up, hold up. we really need to talk about the ending in the garage with that riff. IS THAT A "WHATEVER" REFERNCE??
ノイジーなサウンドと綺麗なメロディの組み合わせ最高。
Such a great song on so many different levels.
What A SONG! Crunchy guitars with sweet and great melodies, cannot love it more
Love the vocals 🎉
Best song of 2022 hands down and it’s not even close thank y’all so much!!
Literally found this minutes before boarding a plane to take me 900 miles from the person who destroyed what ten years built, to basically get an Eternal Sunshine treatment on what's left of my mind. About to switch to airplane mode, but downloaded the song and will be listening for the duration of the flight, I imagine... Thank you algorithm, and thank you Beths!
That's incredibly painful. How is it going?
@@NothingYouHaventReadBefore Thanks for your concern! This song helps every day, usually multiple times a day, lol. Being somewhere different helps with the problem mentioned in the third verse... overall, however, the room still exists.
@@XxYwise I'm sorry, I can't even imagine that. I hope you know that the room will always be there, but you can close the door. Give yourself space and time ❤
Thank you... so much.
Been listening to this one ever since it happened, btw: ruclips.net/video/1uQFlNa1Dk0/видео.html
This song is by far the best thing youtube has ever recommended to me. Listened to it at least 50 times in the past week, feels like the algorithm knew exactly what i needed. So glad i found this band :)
Chills, I feel this so hard
Hi it's RUclips, recommend you to reorder your time release pants shitting medicine
Same. One random recommend later, and I now have a new favourite band.
Painfully so
Also discovered The Beths via the algorithm this week. Have been listening non-stop! (Commenting especially so more people get the recommendation)
I love how 90s this is ❤😊
I think about this a lot. You’ve captured the bittersweet / wistful vibe perfectly.
"Expert In A Dying Field" debuted at #14 on the New Alternative 40 Chart this week!
Imagine Alternative used to mean New, now there's a New Alternative. Then there will be an Alternative New who fucking cares
I love that they play that final chord 5 times instead of the traditional 3. Because this song is that damn good.
I love all the old studio equipment and the camera collection there!
This is one of those songs that comes along & just hits all the right buttons. Seriously crushing on these guys right now, fantastic band!
Thank you RUclips algorithm, for letting me hear this. I feel like this band is fresh out of an early 1990s indie rock compilation album. What a gorgeous song! I can't wait to hear the whole album.
Album of the year. They're one of the best bands I've heard for awhile.
Great, great song
It feels really good. Esoterically good. Thanks for posing the question.
Damn, never wanted to be the drummer this bad before! Keep it up y'all!
- Also I love the metaphor of every person being a field of study unto themselves. It really hits home that when you leave a long running relationship you don't just let go of a connection, but all the ends and outs that no one else really cares about anymore. Its an apt metaphor. Like, you've spent all this time becoming deeply acquaintedprofessor
There will be undergrads who weep to this, well-done!
I love this metaphor too. Coming out of a long relationship, this song perfectly captures my feelings. (Also, glad somebody realizes it’s not about librarians are vcr repair lol)
aw man i though this song was about pocket watch makers and shit like that :(
Dude right on, finally someone realizes that this drummer is this bad, sucks ass
When did you realise you were a gay virgin?
@@miguelrodriguez-pineroriva6713 it’s about both, the metaphor goes both ways (there’s obviously love/passion involved in academia/technology too)
First song ive heard by them, but holy crap this song is perfect, ive listened to it like 15 times lol
Not only an amazing song, but a testament to music videos not being a dying field themselves.
This track never fails to make me feel something.
There is something very special about this song and the video is just as intriguing. Nostalgic, tender, humble and beautiful. Great work kids. I can't stop watching and even though I'm not a sharer I will share this.
I think this song is special too, especially how intriguingly nostalgic I get when I think of the moment right before I heard it and my ears took a dump into my balls
@@trefwoordpunk2225are you into punk rock? Do you dress like you don't care what you look like but you really want people to see the patches on your crusty jacket? Do you look like so many other punk rock kids? Do you think knowing bands like crass, fleas and lice and maybe even Doom, spazz and melt banana make you unique? Punk rock attire looks like every other crusty punk rock uniform. Its like the guys who wear pantagonia shirts or Brooks brothers. It's pride masked as rebellion. In case you have not heard, music is subjective. What is more sheeple than wearing the same clothes and only liking something based on a style that's known for its infancy?