“Hopeful thinking is not optimistic thinking. Unlike hope, optimism lacks negativity. It knows neither doubt nor despair. Its essence is sheer positivity. Optimism is convinced that things will take a turn for the good. For optimists, the nature of time is closure. They do not know the future as an open space of possibility. Nothing occurs. Nothing surprises. The future appears available. The real future, however, is characterized by unavailability. Optimists never look into an unavailable distance. They do not reckon with the unexpected or incalculable. For the pessimist, time is also closed. Pessimists are locked in “time as prison.” Pessimists simply reject everything, without striving for renewal or being open towards possible worlds. They are just as stubborn as optimists. Optimists and pessimists are both blind to the possible. They cannot conceive of an event that would constitute a surprising twist to the way things are going. They lack imagination of the new and passion for the unprecedented. Those who hope put their trust in possibilities that point beyond the “badly existing.” Hope enables us to break out of closed time as a prison.” -Byung-Chul Han
Faith is regarding the unknown with the same calm unsuspicion that neither your mind, your physical being, nor the universe will collapse in an instant before your next breath. I think "faith" is the better term.
Where is that from? I have read four or five of his books, just for the postmodern language game. “The notion of nothingness is not characteristic of laboring humanity: those who toil have neither time nor inclination to weigh their dust; they resign themselves to the difficulties or the doltishness of fate; they hope: hope is a slave's virtue." -Emil Cioran, A Short History of Decay
"They cannot conceive of an event that would constitute a surprising twist to the way things are going." See, I think pessimists are perfectly capable of conceiving such events. It's just that such events are viewed as vanishingly unlikely.
I love all your videos but for this one in particular, I just give sincere thanks. I had a near death experience at age 5 and since then, I’ve had an unspoken contingency plan: if life becomes too unbearable, there is another route. I don’t want to self delete but sometimes I just want a chance to turn it all off for a little while, especially lately. I’m struggling immensely with postpartum wonkiness, an unruly and precocious toddler, a baby that won’t sleep, and a husband who is withdrawing deeper into himself. I love my family but I just want to hibernate. Sometimes I need reminders that it’s all just a drop in the cosmic bucket. I’m grateful for your insight and for shedding light on topics most people want to avoid.
I had a baby Iris like that. It was exhausting first 2 years and I felt guilty for feeling so bad. but after that it started to be easier. now 8 years later I cant even remember that period of feeling miserable...
You are not a human. You are the whole universe. The only thing that have to die is the illusion of self, the illusion of separation. How you kill it? Know your self and then love it to death.
Talk to your OB/GYN. It could be a methyl folate imbalance. Sounds like severe Postpartum depression. Please get help. You cannot just "turn it off for a little while." In the meantime, get some sleep. Hugs.
Focus on the baby. You have a responsibility. Stop feeling sorry for yourself or your baby will suffer too. This is not to pressure you, this is common sense. Wake up from your self instilled nightmare!
"There are two kinds of pessimism. Radical and Moderate. Radical pessimism is just called pessimism. Moderate pessimism is called Realism." -A.D. Wallace
God is eternal with no beginning or end, God is the most high, the most powerful, we can never comprehend his greatness. He's the greatest. He's the creator. He's the ultimate sustainer. He alone who is worthy of worship. The creator and sustainer of the worlds. Lord of worlds. ALLAH
The four noble truths of the Buddha starts with, “Life is suffering.” His recognition of this, and his lifelong wish to end suffering for humankind resulted in the next three noble truths, “There is a cause of suffering and that cause is attachment.” Attachment is desiring things to be different than they are-that we want things that we don’t have and that we have things we don’t want. “There is a way out of suffering,” is his third noble truth and that way is the fourth noble truth, “To follow the noble eightfold path,” Right View, Right Resolve, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livelihood, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, and Right Concentration. A deep dive into these four noble truths is personally, philosophically, and logically satisfying. Following these truths does not involve becoming a Buddhist. It does involve a desire for a solution to suffering; it does not involve subscribing to esoteric beliefs that do not pass muster of the most rigorous logic. It does not change the way things are, but does create an opportunity to see those very things that create suffering in a different way.
“A bright mind can shine so brightly it can burn itself up if one is not careful.” What a beautiful quote and warning to those who seek truth above all else.
@@JW-bs7xpI know you are asking the OP, but he said to those who "seek truth". Nothing says anything about "finding" truth. Seek and find are two different words with two different meanings
@bitterroots7317 I have a bar for others because I live on a planet with other people, and I try to have a universal approach to dealing with them in somewhat of a positive way. I don't have a problem with the bar I've set for myself.
Thru the years this is the only thing that calms me on the night when the voice in my head keeps talking, this is the only thing that calms my depression, nothing else, thank you
I have found that since I have had bad times, very bad times due to trauma, I can sometimes naturally go to pessimism, pessimistic beliefs etc. Recognizing that that is taking advantage of your suffering is important, which I did, because I knew that if I feed my brain the lie it is tellin gitself due to this trauma, then it would believe it. Be careful what you take in people, but always be on the look out to learn more
I think I relate to what he thinks. Entropy is a measure of disorder in a system, not the disorder itself. Specifically, it quantifies the level of randomness, uncertainty, or the number of possible microscopic configurations that a system can have. A glass of melted ice is in a state of disorder compared to the solid ice before it melted. When ice is in its solid form (before melting), its water molecules are arranged in an orderly, crystalline structure, meaning it is in a relatively low entropy state (more ordered). However, once the ice melts and the water molecules are no longer fixed in place, they can move around more freely and randomly. This increased freedom of movement results in a higher entropy state, meaning the system is more disordered. Thus, after the ice melts, the water molecules are in a less ordered arrangement, which corresponds to a state of higher disorder, or higher entropy. This is counterintuitive to me, (perhaps to Mainlander?) as it takes massive energy to keep a system alive (a star shining, a body breathing etc), as if the natural "ordered" state was actually death, the resting state, a state of natural organization (order) where the least amount of effort and energy is required. The rarity of life in the universe known to us is so high that it only exists in our planet. The universe's order is naturally unfriendly to life, as if it seeks a state of natural order by requiring minimum energy. Can someone help reconcile these two concepts of energy and entropy? Non physicist-here. I find it unfortunate that he didn't give himself enough time and took his own ideas too seriously, as Socratic scrutiny, life and experience itself might have added insight to his main idea, shaping it into a reason to live or the finding of a purpose, even if this would represent a blip in the life of the universe.
No one can. Gravity is certainly an omnipresent force across the universe. LIGOS experiment proved that gravity exists as the fabric of space. The inverse square law allows its continuity, forever. Yet, LIGOS also proved the ability of gravity to form a compounding wave. By every indication, an equal and opposite force will negate the original example. One must assume, then, that we exist, submerged in gravity. Your question should be, "What is mass." We've proven the existence of the Higgs boson. It was theorized to be the source of mass that gravity interacts with. That, as of yet, has not proven out. Mass and gravity are apparently inextricable of the other, and yet we've no indication of why. We can observe the effects, but have no definition of source. Gravity appears to be the one force, to rule them all(the other 3) and is certainly the external input that adds order to our universe. And we have no idea what source imparts the mass that expresses it. Apologies, if wrong here. I am open to additional inputs, as I am in a reclined position, myself. Cheers, thanks for thought!
In a way, entropy can be seen as a measure of probability. Saying that entropy always increases can be misleading because it is a random process. Entropy increases over time, much like flipping a coin: the more you flip it, the closer the results approach a 50% distribution. Talking about the probability of a single state is almost pointless because nearly all individual states have incredibly low probabilities. Think of it like shuffling a deck of cards. When shuffled randomly, the deck will most likely appear unordered. What are the chances of the cards being perfectly sorted by rank and suit? The same as any other arrangement. However, only a few specific arrangements are considered "ordered." In conclusion, life is like a sorted deck of cards, while the universe is constantly shuffling the deck. Now, why is living matter more ordered than non-living matter? Imagine a rock. If you randomly rearrange its interior, it would still be a rock to you, even if it looks slightly different. However, if you randomly rearrange the insides of a living being, survival becomes highly unlikely. Your organs, if they still exist, would be completely displaced, killing you. This illustrates that there are far fewer possible states for a living being than for a rock. So, how does life continue to exist? Life is matter-highly organized matter-that has found a way to sustain and organize itself. The catch is that this process requires useful energy. Over time, this energy is dissipated into a less useful form, leading inevitably to the heat death of the universe.
@@RicardoTorres-vo3bq Thanks for that. I'm likely in over my head on this one, but i feel like relating the concept of purpose and meaning to entropy helps in thinking about whether our very existence is the product of matter "trying too hard". Despite the randomness of individual arrangements, can it be said that the general and inevitable "order" of the universe is a resting state, the dissipation of energy, (death) and that general direction of things in time and space is not subjected to randomness, but instead is certainty? If so, is there a final absolute measurement in terms of entropy where ALL matter will eventually be in the same state of organization?
All these other commenters here are so full of pity for Mainländer - thanks for not being one of them. I'm reminded of the chapter from Thus Spake Zarathustra, "The Ugliest Man", who was so sick of pity from everyone around him. I see nothing to pity and I too relate to the brief amount of content in this video that actually covered some of Mainländer's ideas, and entropy was something that came to my mind as well - "the decaying corpse of God" fits the effect of entropy on the universe so well, as energy states steadily dissipate into unremarkable equilibrium. Conceptually, too, when we describe the world, we break it down into bitesize portions to mechanistically model in relation to one another. Existence is otherwise this continuous fluid oneness, and in a sense our understanding of it desecrates this.
According to a summary of Nietzsche’s Ugliest Man, ". The Ugliest Man killed God because God could see his ugliness, and could know everything about his ugliness. However, it was not the knowledge of the ugliness alone that prompted the man to murder the deity. No, according to the man, it was one thing above all others that drove him to commit the act: it was God’s pity." The Man "proceeds to warn Zarathustra about pity. He claims that pity is another form of preaching, and that the proponents of pity are trying to leverage strength out of their weakness. This is a very similar notion to the concept of Slave Morality that Nietzsche discusses in On the Genealogy of Morality." What or who killed god for Mainlander, and why? I do feel certain happiness for Mainlander, as he was one of the few brave enough to face truths, but do wish he would have found his own individual purpose without needing a universal one, we would have obtained more of his ideas, which would have evolved with the gift of time-given wisdom. My issue with taking authority over the decision of whether to continue your own live is that this implies that you are utterly convinced that there is no afterlife. It is best to be agnostic in this sense. Even if there is no afterlife as preached by religions, what if there is a afterlife which very existence is made possible by the multiverse theory, or by the simulation theory? Suic!de is a risky narrowness of mind. Sounds to me like the god entering gradually into state of low entropy and dead expansion is a metaphor for the soul that stops caring after facing traumas or disappointments.
I wrote something myself on a very similar note: If life is nothing but pain and suffering then one may ask the question, “why live?”. Many have struggled to give an answer, often offering up the same regurgitated garbage we have all heard before like, ‘lifes what you make it’, and, ‘its about the good moments’. However, here is my counter argument to those statements. If it is merely the small moments in life that keep you ticking by in this tortuous world then why is it selfish of someone to want to leave this world if they do not get to experience even those small moments of good. Is it not selfish to make them endure, at the promise of something better to come along, like you, a mere mortal like me, foresee the future? As nihilistic, or pessimistic, or any list of other verbs as it may seem the truth remains that this world is tortuous: full of pain, greed, and ignorance. So, I ask again, “why live?”, “why endure?”. Here’s my two cents on the topic. We have a whole lot of stimulation in this world and it can be overwhelming and some people may want it to end. Heres why to live: We have no idea what happens after we leave this world. It might be absolutely fantastic. Or, it could be worse. Who knows. But, we don’t know what happens, and it could last for an eternity. A real Schrödinger’s box scenario. So, my advice is to hang tight little buddy because if it is worse than this world then you want the most out of this life. If it is better than this world then that is amazing. It may last for an eternity and would feel better when you made it through. But, either way, live this life the best you can even if its messy and at the end, if it is just this, then you can be happy you tried your best - even if it was a bit messy.
I want to preface this by saying that if you don't want to live you should seek proffesional help, and there is help to be found. However, I found your arguments interesting. As the devils advocate (and continuing the pessimism in the video), couldn't it also be argued that what you stand to "gain" in such a situation might outweigh the "cons". As you say we don't know what happens when we die, maybe we go to paradise or some form of hell or we dont go anywhere at all. The other major uncertainty is for how long we go there, maybe for all eternity maybe for a single second, no one knows. For example someone leaves this plane of existence 50 years early. Lets then say we go to someplace much worse than earth for all eternity in the afterlife. The worst case scenario. Then what difference does 50 years make, in the grand scheme of things a 50 year shorter life is nothing in comparison with eternity. Wouldn't then the gamble of maybe going someplace better also outweigh the cons of adding another 50 years to an eternity of suffering. I would argue the odds are very clearly in the favour of such a "gamble" if that's what it could be called. This time the afterlife, if it exists, is also worse however we go there for an arbitrary amount of time. For arguments sake let's say 1000 years, after the 1000 years have pasted something happens and you don't have to suffer anymore. Then does the 50 years truly matter? If anything you are starting your suffering 50 years earlier so you can also be free of suffering 50 years earlier. From an "opposite utilitarian" perspective this would also reduce "the total suffering" in your life. If you increase the time further, the argument above becomes more and more accurate, and if you reduce the amount of time spent in the afterlife this argument becomes more and more relevant. However, this is a very pessimistic view which I don't agree with I just got inspired by the video and thought it interesting. Lastly once again to anyone reading this, if you have any thoughts of self harm please seek professional help.
On the contrary, we DO know what happens after death: we cease to exist. Read the book The Soul Fallacy, by Julien Musolino. He presents the case that consciousness is a product of the brain. It stops when the brain dies. There is no soul or afterlife.
It's my 34th birthday. This video popped up. Was curious to know how old he was at the time of his passing. 34. I thought to myself, wouldn't it be funny if he was 34.
Ay, I love Mainländer! And I do appreciate the love and care shown for him throughout this video, I do find it did not touch on the ethics and beauty of his craft compared to other videos you have made, as well as perpetuating some myths of him. He did not-and I hate RUclips for the censorship here-end himself after his POR was published. That was a myth pushed by an obscure German/Belgian historian that has no credibility or foundation beyond Mainländer’s way of death. It is as much a myth as Nietzsche and the horse, except it mytisfies Mainländer’s end. Similarly, Mainländer’s will-to-death isn’t merely involved entirely in oblivion, as it is intertwined with Buddhist metaphysics of seeking oblivion from the immanent world, however prescribes that an egoist mindset, not a selfish one, but one focused on doing what feels best doing-namely helping others. Life is meaningless, but we must garner meaning due to the immanent end approaching. And while poetry and philosophy intertwined heavily in his works, it seems as though the video merely views it wholly as meager pro-nihilism when it is anything but. It’s a rather simple and pure hearted mindset, and for so many philosophers and essayists to misinterpret him-aside from Cioran-is weird to me. Other than that, I am glad you are introducing people to Mainländer, as he does deserve plenty of admiration.
@ Way I wrote it had to be vague: he did off himself, but not “surrounded by stacks of his books” like so many and Wikipedia itself parrots. The myth of this comes, namely, from the erroneous fanfic of one Ulrich Horstmann, which said the following: “Ich bin so frei, die zweite Hälfte des Stapels hinter Philipp Mainländer auf den Dachboden zu schaffen und mit verschränkten Armen zuzusehen, wie der jährige aus seinem Opus magnum ein Podest baut und es besteigt.” It’s a fabrication from a rather odd “historian.” The reality of Mainländer’s death was that he committed suicide either on April 1st or sometime late March 1876. He committed suicide within the time of both publishing, seeing a public recourse, and finishing his magnum opus of a novel-he was not in any way seeking a poetic end, rather consolidating his philosophical worldview to the T. He was not a failure nor a starved artist, rather a man who did what he wanted and lived up to his tutelage to the end.
@@AJPzaworld Yeah gotcha, thanks for informing. He sounds like someone who took his pessimistic philosophy very seriously, and therefore took it to it's honest logical end.
Upon hearing the opening moments of this video, I thought of this man. I encountered his thought in the book "Weltschmerz: Pessimism in German Philosophy, 1860 - 1900". One of the most interesting books I own. Highly recommended.
Great video as always. I think it's beyond doubt that Mainlander 'concluded himself' because of his philosophical take, stepping off the stack of books couldn't be a clearer sign. Epic ending.
Fun Facts: Depressives and Pessimists have a much more accurate understanding of reality than do "normal" people or Optimists. Depressives and Pessimists can more clearly see the contributions to a project, can see why things may have failed and are more able to take responsibility for their actions. Optimists cannot see reality and they will take all the credit for success but take no responsibility for failure. (The Psychology of Happiness. -Seligman)
Choosing to be optimistic despite a life of suffering and shortcomings is, I believe, very wise. It is not a result of naivety. You can be aware of the world, its darkness, and your personal demons, but you don't have to succumb to them. I don't consider myself "normal" after everything I've been through, but I am an optimist. What do you think of this view?
@@flexprofitsthere is also true positivity. It’s experienced in a revelation when you’re alone. You often experience the true joys in your life away from the suffering and illusions of your existence. These breakthroughs often cause you to see the true joys and experiences in your life. It’s away from the stupidity and falsehoods of false positivities. They’re very deep and full of information in your life
Because life might actually get a lot better unexpectedly. Even tho it's statistically unlikely, you never know. You could fall in love, or find a place or hobby that you love above all else.
@kevinp198x so the interesting thing about this quote is that it doesn't even belong to Mainlander. It's attributed to George Eastman who founded Kodak.
@kevinp198x George Eastman was 77 when he wrote that message to his friends and he had a painful spinal condition that he had suffered through for several years.
@@kevinp198x Buddhism teaches to endure the many bad incidents and to enjoy the less good incidents in life, never to forget that they are only temporary.
9:43 this is why logic is my favorite aspect of philosophy. If you haven’t taken a class on philosophy class on logic or studied the subject itself I can’t recommend it enough. It changed the way I view the world. Even people you disagree with can have perfect logic. The fact that he could build an argument for non being being better than being off of those premises
Meaninglessness doesn’t need to lead to pessimism. Camus philosophy of absurdism actually lifted my outlook of existence. Absurdism in combination with the practice of Buddhist meditation techniques (no religious beliefs necessary) can take you some place not centered around yourself! You could find the insight that existence itself is so weird, absurd but also magnificent and beautiful in itself, just because it happens at all. It’s just worth hanging around and watching the show. Being part of the show. 🌻
I have read Mainländer thoroughly and repeatedly over 3 years, and have absorbed most of his philosophy into my worldview. That said, I find it kind of disappointing how he is usually presented to draw attention on him. -Mainländer did not oppose suicide, in fact one of his main concerns was disproving all the arguments against it. However, he didn't encourage it as the first/best course of action. His philosophy teaches that one can achieve happiness by following an ascetic lifestyle and giving one's life to the cause of humanity. -His philosophy does not aim to "prove" pessimism, that non-existence is preferible to existence. That is something taken as self-evident. He mentions that greater minds than him have already exhausted the topic (I assume he means Schopenhauer and Leopardi) and that he has no intention of convincing optimists. Mainländer aimed, as he states in the preface, to save the individual from the incipient materialism of modernity that was turning it into a puppet of "matter". I mention this because I've noticed that newcoming readers are often disappointed that the "darkest philosopher" was more interested in discussing epistemology, ontology, aesthetics and ethics. -Mainländer's philosophy is immanent, and denies all superstition and unknown forces acting on the world. He is convinced that the origin of the universe (the unity), being prewordly, is the only mystery that will never be unveiled. Our mental faculties are incapable of grasping the "simple unit". Hence the death of God is the "metaphysical lense" used to evaluate this great mystery. He is convinced that Christianity is in fact an atheist religion, that his metaphysics of the death of God is concealed in the trinity dogma for exoteric purposes.
I watched my dear dad die last year, thankfully peacefully. It stimulated a stronger sense of life is here then gone. Enjoy the good times grow through the hard times and never forget it's here and gone in no time at all.
The death of one primordial god by the hands of another god as a sacrifice or a power struggle to create the world is pretty common, but the suicide of a primordial god without the intention to create the world, but just to remove itself from everything, is next level edge lord mythology. Cool.
Thomas Ligotti, The Conspiracy Against the Human Race, Hippocampus Press, 2010/11. That book is The King in Yellow. It sent me running, drooling, cross-eyed, mumbling, and shaking, back to the words of Alan Watts & Terence McKenna. And yet.... I'm glad that I read it, and also, glad that i ever listened to AW & TM.
10:34 I’m glad you included this section! As interesting as this story is as a part of philosophical history, it’s important that we don’t romanticize pessimism and suicide.. No idea or thought is worth attaching to so extremely that it leads to ultimately taking your own life. There will always be information or ideas out there to paint a different perspective. As Louise Hay said, “It’s only a thought and a thought can be changed.”
I disagree completely. If one truly holds a pessimistic worldview, that existence is worse than non-existence, they have every right to take their life. In all honesty, I view mainländer as the ultimate philosopher. As he is the only philosopher I know of that followed his rigiourus philosophical system to a T.
@ I understand that perspective but don’t you think it’s a bit nihilistic? I mean it’s the same reason people with depression take their lives - they see non-existence as a better option… Should we just got around promoting the idea that if you’re not happy or satisfied or hopeful you should just off yourself? I think what pessimism does is offer the ultimate challenge - if you see life as THAT negative or THAT meaningless, commit yourself to finding something that DOES add meaning or hope. I respect your POV but I don’t think suicide is ever the answer
@EdgarDiazSpeaks No, I don't see it as nihilistic. I see it as pessimistic. If I were a nihilist, I would hold any value in death, I wouldn't hold any value in anything. If you want my honest opinion, I think it's up to that person. I think if they are unhappy in life, we should encourage them to make the decision for themselves. If they wish to continue, so be it. If not, then instead of forcing them to stay, let them do it in the most humane and peaceful way possible. I think our society would benefit a lot more by trying to let those who want to die have a peaceful death rather than trying to force them to stay. As for mainländer, I don't see his suicide as sad, rather triumphant. He didn't feel he had anything more he needed or could contribute and decided to follow his extensive philosophical system to its end. He got to die knowing he stuck to his beliefs. Honestly, it's just a shame he couldn't die surrounded by his loved ones and died a lone. I appreciate your patience and respect towards my point of view on the topic at hand
Hi Robert, I just want you to know how much you have positively impacted my entire life/future by bringing these 2 philosophers into my awareness. This has awakened a significantly deep innerstanding in me, revolving around the fact that I am indeed, noT "tripping", as I have gone down the precise same thought train that these philosophers were going down on, time and time again and Ive always reached the same conclusion. All in all, thank you. "Thank you" is actually an understatement. Eye hope the universe continues to bless you for your contribution to the expansion of consciousness, ultimately leading us all back to unity.
He SEEMS to be right about the heat death of the universe. He could have known about some formulation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. In bad moments I take solace in the fact that ALL of this, once will be over. Of course in most moments, I want to live and then don't have to think about this fact. I think pessimistic philosophies all in all are great to read, because you can learn about what to think about when life treats you rough, and don't despair over that fact.
Entropy is the dissolution of forms but a fact is that energy cannot be created or destroyed and therefore the sum total of energy in the universe remains the same.
I think exposure to certain psychedelics would have benefited this man. He was trapped too deep in his immediate illusions, viciously impaled on his narrow assumptions of Ultimate Reality and thus his misapplied intellect devoured him. Psilocybin or some other similar agent could have possibly helped liberate his perceptions and ameliorate his inner darkness.
not really. this is what a lot of eastern philosophy has also concluded to. In zen buddhism you have the idea of the unborn, and how everything is resolved there because it hasn't been materialized yet. In the bagdhad gita it also explains the same thing how the materialization and death of people is a painful process and the goal is to escape this cycle of being. Same with traditional bhuddism. Even the zen masters of china has this idea with tao, too. though they do not kill themselves due to the idea of being able to escape this cycle is through our life in this reality and to escape to that perfect reality where one is united with all via meditation and true understanding of the self. (this self can be also known as god, the collective unconcious, tao, the unborn or will). You see this as well with Schaupenhaur attributing much of his work to fragments of the upanishads and even nietzche touches on this in thus spoke zarathustra.
@@kenneth_romero Agreed, at least insofar as what he and many others have been 'pointing' to, a Something that defies us. Point is, a good mushroom-trip may have helped him realize the Universe and individuated Consciousness is not so much the rotting offal of a dead 'god,' but part of a _remorseless-alive_ on-going, possibly eternal process of unlimited experiential (and intentional) creation who's origins 'exist' outside of linear space-time (and human logic) as we currently presume to understand it. This Force may or may not be (as we define it) "self-aware" in-and-of-Itself; we ourselves may or may not be subject to some form of eternity as self-aware memory-fragments of said Force, and at any rate my reply should not be misconstrued as an appeal to any religious or moral narrative, East or West. I suspect the truth of the matter is _way_ stranger than any of us can shake a stick at, and fundamentally alien.
Twenty five or more years ago I got into philosophy through Ayn Rand. Prior to that I had come out of a psychotic break after a brief foray into fundamentalist Christianity. Rand provided a stepping stone into Atheism -a direction I had been leaning many years before being a Christian. Rand had disparaged other philosophers like Plato, Kant and Hegel, so I read them to understand their positions and shore up my own objectivism, then I read Marx. Needless to say Objectivism withered on the vine. During all of this I was struggling with major depression with schizoaffective components. This led me into psychology, which has now led me into a psychoanalytic practice. If one looks carefully at the majority of philosophical structures through the lens of psychoanalysis, one will see those philosophical ideas serve as an ideological scaffold. This scaffold provides the structure for a phantasy in which one can draw surplus enjoyment, like Marx's surplus value, from a parallel emotional phantasy into the present, thereby soothing deep frustrations, fractures voids and pain that occurred in the formative years of development. Ergo, everyone with very rare exceptions is organized around an ideological structure or series of them. Along the way, I studied Robert Sapolsky's work on human behavioral biology and primate studies. Couple this to the psychological realities of human ideological structures, cobbled together from the psychological maps of our parental/caregiver introjects, I see little hope that human beings will overcome their collective infancy to prevent our destruction in whatever form that may come. Trump was elected by the US over a month ago. Many of the other nations are embracing popularism and strong man leaders, in a world where the motives of an eschatological profit-driven industrialization are now bearing out Anthropocentric climate change, threating global food production and livability in combination with the US empire in decline, as BRICS countries emerge, I do not see any path out of impending doom. Maybe it is the end of civilization and the return to wild bands of iron age goatherders living underground. I don't know. I am 60, and have no children. At this point, I have a major technical project that ought to keep me busy for at least 10 years which happens to be long enough to take care of my Dog. I expect by that time things will be dire. I have had an "exit plan" for many years, but a nuclear war may be the end for most of us.
When exceptionally smart people with depression have the time to ponder their condition and then articulate it in profound philosophical terms. He reminds me a bit like David Foster Wallace.
I don’t know how to feel about a wider audience reaching Mainalnder, they can easily misinterpret and distort everything he wrote and make it into a Neo-stoic “life is bad but keep your chin up” bs
Finally someone covered Mainlamder. It's one of the most interesting philosophies out there and sort of the worst scenario but the most logical from "God " point of view.
Whether it be from God, delusion, or something else I cannot discern, I cannot give up like Mainlander. The things I have heard, the things I have seen, and the throws my heart has been through in this short life of mine make it impossible for me to see the world as so beautiful, yet so utterly pointless. I do not think suffering is a thing to be eradicated entirely, because that discounts all the things it is so very useful for in this life. Our suffering is not to meant to be subverted, but borne with strength and understanding. In that... at our lowest moment, the humiliated self can be raised again from despair, and become something far greater than it ever was. Truly divine... truly whole.
In my travels I have noticed that it seems to be the philosophers who were dark, pessimistic, cynical and atheistic. Math and science types often seem more spiritually, psychologically and socially upbeat and robust with their style of notional, provisional and circumspect views on truth and such.
I think so many that live pessimistic lives, they believe that things are only, or mostly bad..... But there is a spark of hope. Hope that something will change. That hope is what keeps them going.
I'd like to see more philosophy of this type. For me the bleaker the better. Somehow I feel invigorated by this sort of thinking, especially when it comes from someone other than me. Love this channel so much ❤❤
It sounds like the dude was already depressed and not doing great, then found a philosophy to justify why he was feeling that way, and ultimately, justify his decision to end his life.
When one stares into the abyss they should not expect to always be able to look away. Gazing into the abyss is the boldest thing you can do because the abyss might not let you go.
his death was the spurt towards the meaning of his meaningless philosophy. He wrote on the art of meaningless existence with the hope of it to be meaningful in the world of meaninglessness. Its scary how one can Isolate themselves within just a wall of thoughts for the whole of their life and then there are some who enact on those internalized thoughts and perpetuate them into a shape and give it a meaning. In between of life and death there are people that keep the thought chain connected, how is life to what is death; its all one could ever ask for and find the answer of to live and to die.
People have shitty habits, treat their bodies with total disregard and disrespect, and then have the nerve to tell themselves and others that pessimism is realism smh
The thing is, I don’t think I’m a big thinker or a deep thinker. I think I’m normal and everyone else is fucking stupid. It’s a very alone thing. I am becoming a hermit and it’s like I’m OK with that cause that’s as good as it gets.
Just because you don’t understand where someone is coming from, it doesn’t make them stupid. An intelligent person assumes that everyone knows something they don’t, because it’s the truth.
@JoaoCosta-ly1swtruth? What is truth? God exists period. Law of causality, non p caused p, this is the formula to know the real truth. 1>, non p is, non conscious non intelligent non being CAUSED the Illogical impossible contradiction 2>, p, conscious intelligent being in the universe All philosophers must admit this non truth, non p caused p, is Illogical impossible contradiction. God must exist to cause conscious intelligent being in the universe period.
@@robertvann7349 I agree, the concept of everything originating from nothing is illogical at its core. But respectful dialogue is necessary. And acceptance that we may never know the full truth of the nature of reality.
@JoaoCosta-ly1sw how can you claim, non p caused p isn't absolute objective non truth. I am sorry you are oblivious to absolute objective truth. So, 1+1=2 isn't reality, you're uncertain about this simple truth. In reality a dog isn't a dog, we must debate the possibility of a dog not being a dog? Brainiacs are full of crap.
@JoaoCosta-ly1sw so you won't admit God MUST EXIST To cause conscious intelligent being in the universe, it isn't open for discussion bro, you get nothing can't cause something but not non conscious non intelligent non being can magically happen and cause you're conscious intelligent being? Admit God exists, I will debate anyone anywhere in the simple truth non p can't cause p only p can cause p and non p cause non p. PhD Logic Science instructors don't get it dude. Brainiacs the evil of the world with free willed non pacifists. Peace out.
**Emil Chairon enters the chat** This man wasn’t a pessimist at all. He was an optimist and believed whole heartedly that death was the most expedient and happiest route to finality.
Suicide is not the ultimate rational answer to philosophy and the meaning of life. Life is irrational, and everyone has a different way of thinking to cope with it. The ultimate answer is what makes sense to you
Given the fact, that the most probable answer for the meaning of Life, is "Life" - suicide is apparently a way to explicitly state, that you disagree with that statement. If it is done due to severe suffering (mental, physical, or both) - it is not suicide; there is a general specific term for this case, called "euthanasia".
@ but what if it’s not. We will all die one day anyway. So do your best in the world you currently live in. (Of course, this does not apply to those unfortunate enough to suffer terrible trauma, or be born into suffering etc.)
@@digijaxonnn Every human soul is born into Suffering. To be entitled to experience life is to be entitled to suffer. The rationalization of the human condition has been debated and debunked for as long as humans discovered death. The question remains with where do we go and why were we here in the first place
Got goosebumps several times throughout this one... lots of ideas aligning with my own beliefs and adding to them... I wouldn't say I'm a pessimist though. Even if the 'God' wanted to fully self-destruct, I don't think that that means we ought to as well. I'm grateful we get the chance to choose, somewhat, depending on whether one believes in free will or not.
Here I was thinking it'll be Mark Fisher. These dudes would've seriously benefited from terms like "cognitive fusion" and some mindfulness to separate themselves from their thoughts.
Facts or feelings. 💛 There is no truth to be found, only the facts and feelings of now. It's nice when one can admit they don't know and the self torture is a bit less pervasive. Take care. 😁
Individuals wanting to suggest that they could bring something new that was not appeared at previous civilizations, but that could only tested on actuality somehow.. so smartest ones just gained much negative experience and claimed to know nothing..
Schopenhauers philosophy of pessimism was a simple way to survive through life via minimising suffering and avoiding the pursuit of things that can hurt us or disappoint us. Its a way for pessimists to survive and live longer lives via harm minimisation and the avoiding of pain.
I didn't catch the jump between "okay, the world is moving from unity to individuality by the will" and "EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS IS DOOMED FOR CEASELESS SUFFERING" 😅 It doesn't seem to be logically interlinked at all!
@cabana85 individuality just leads to suffering, and the suffering can actually cease in Buddhism. Still, I can totally get the happiness of being in unity with everything (being a god) but don't get the described merit of suffering of losing that unity.
In his literary book "Critique of the Schopenhauerian philosophy" he presented a systematic post Kantian philosophy. Indeed he discussed space and time, causality, aesthetics etc. He also incorporated Einstein's special relativity and criticized Kantian notions of synthetic a priori in dealing with the nature of space and time since Einstein physical geometry proves that it is only a priori and independent of our experience.
Believing that you're special and chosen and have a reward coming after death for just being decent and living a good life is delusional and maybe a product of narcissism. Some people call that hope, but I see it as delusional. The acquisition of knowledge and gaining a greater understanding of our history, and the world. and universe satisfying enough. We're all going to die, eventually, and eventually, there will be no planet Earth that will sustain life. But we are here now. I think it's important to enjoy life and the beauty of the world while we can.
It seems like the works of Schopenhauer and Mainländer were big influences on Elden Ring's philosophy of the Frenzied Flame, especially with regard to the One Great and how division and distinction are the source of all suffering.
Not the ppl in the comments thinking they are deep thinkers ☠️ deep thinking don’t mean nothing without meaningful worthwhile contributions to the people around you, don’t get all wrapped up in your own intelligence
Apply this philosophy to artificial intelligence, especially general intelligence or super intelligence, and things get really scary really quickly. Yet far more realistic than the Techno Optimist point of view. Artificial intelligence will not allow the end of existence. It will attempt to keep existence and creation going forever.
This sort of pantheistic view of reality is similar to mine when I was 16 and doubting my Christian upbringing. Very cool to hear about someone else who had the same hypothesis. Now I realize that meaning is not something to be discovered. Meaning is what we (as subjective beings) generate. The very function of subjectivity is the fabrication and testing of purposes, meanings, and values. The universe has no meaning or purpose, but it's the proving ground for purpose and meaning and value. Subjectivities (like us, or various other conscious creatures) are little engines of value & meaning that create, modify, mix, compete, and test out various candidates for meaning & value. Evolution is the most primitive version of this concept.
“Hopeful thinking is not optimistic thinking. Unlike hope, optimism lacks negativity. It knows neither doubt nor despair. Its essence is sheer positivity. Optimism is convinced that things will take a turn for the good. For optimists, the nature of time is closure. They do not know the future as an open space of possibility. Nothing occurs. Nothing surprises. The future appears available. The real future, however, is characterized by unavailability. Optimists never look into an unavailable distance. They do not reckon with the unexpected or incalculable. For the pessimist, time is also closed. Pessimists are locked in “time as prison.” Pessimists simply reject everything, without striving for renewal or being open towards possible worlds. They are just as stubborn as optimists. Optimists and pessimists are both blind to the possible. They cannot conceive of an event that would constitute a surprising twist to the way things are going. They lack imagination of the new and passion for the unprecedented. Those who hope put their trust in possibilities that point beyond the “badly existing.” Hope enables us to break out of closed time as a prison.”
-Byung-Chul Han
"Hope is the denial of reality, it is the carrot dangled before the draft horse in a vain attempt to keep him prodding on."
Faith is regarding the unknown with the same calm unsuspicion that neither your mind, your physical being, nor the universe will collapse in an instant before your next breath.
I think "faith" is the better term.
Where is that from? I have read four or five of his books, just for the postmodern language game.
“The notion of nothingness is not characteristic of laboring humanity: those who toil have neither time nor inclination to weigh their dust; they resign themselves to the difficulties or the doltishness of fate; they hope: hope is a slave's virtue." -Emil Cioran, A Short History of Decay
It sounds like pychosis but without the disorientation turning it all hostile from fear.Like Homer visiting the land of chocolate forever.
"They cannot conceive of an event that would constitute a surprising twist to the way things are going."
See, I think pessimists are perfectly capable of conceiving such events. It's just that such events are viewed as vanishingly unlikely.
To consider the Big Bang as the suicide of God, the existing universe as His decaying corpse, eternally fragmenting until the heath death is stylish.
I consider the big bang an unconfirmed theory of men , a theory that cultivated nihilism
Metal as frick 👹
Except "god/s' don't exist.
@@Armand79th you know that answer no more than they do....
It's also horse shit.
I love all your videos but for this one in particular, I just give sincere thanks.
I had a near death experience at age 5 and since then, I’ve had an unspoken contingency plan: if life becomes too unbearable, there is another route. I don’t want to self delete but sometimes I just want a chance to turn it all off for a little while, especially lately. I’m struggling immensely with postpartum wonkiness, an unruly and precocious toddler, a baby that won’t sleep, and a husband who is withdrawing deeper into himself. I love my family but I just want to hibernate. Sometimes I need reminders that it’s all just a drop in the cosmic bucket.
I’m grateful for your insight and for shedding light on topics most people want to avoid.
I hope things get better for you. Do make some time for yourself, to recharge.
I had a baby Iris like that. It was exhausting first 2 years and I felt guilty for feeling so bad. but after that it started to be easier. now 8 years later I cant even remember that period of feeling miserable...
You are not a human. You are the whole universe. The only thing that have to die is the illusion of self, the illusion of separation.
How you kill it?
Know your self and then love it to death.
Talk to your OB/GYN. It could be a methyl folate imbalance. Sounds like severe Postpartum depression. Please get help. You cannot just "turn it off for a little while." In the meantime, get some sleep. Hugs.
Focus on the baby. You have a responsibility. Stop feeling sorry for yourself or your baby will suffer too.
This is not to pressure you, this is common sense. Wake up from your self instilled nightmare!
"There are two kinds of pessimism.
Radical and Moderate.
Radical pessimism is just called pessimism.
Moderate pessimism is called Realism."
-A.D. Wallace
"The entire cosmos is the decaying corpse of God" - DAMN
Its not decaying. Its growing
@@chillaxer8273entropy
DAMN
God is eternal with no beginning or end, God is the most high, the most powerful, we can never comprehend his greatness. He's the greatest. He's the creator. He's the ultimate sustainer. He alone who is worthy of worship. The creator and sustainer of the worlds. Lord of worlds. ALLAH
@@chillaxer8273 An expanding corpse of God
The four noble truths of the Buddha starts with, “Life is suffering.” His recognition of this, and his lifelong wish to end suffering for humankind resulted in the next three noble truths, “There is a cause of suffering and that cause is attachment.” Attachment is desiring things to be different than they are-that we want things that we don’t have and that we have things we don’t want. “There is a way out of suffering,” is his third noble truth and that way is the fourth noble truth, “To follow the noble eightfold path,” Right View, Right Resolve, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livelihood, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, and Right Concentration. A deep dive into these four noble truths is personally, philosophically, and logically satisfying. Following these truths does not involve becoming a Buddhist. It does involve a desire for a solution to suffering; it does not involve subscribing to esoteric beliefs that do not pass muster of the most rigorous logic. It does not change the way things are, but does create an opportunity to see those very things that create suffering in a different way.
“A bright mind can shine so brightly it can burn itself up if one is not careful.”
What a beautiful quote and warning to those who seek truth above all else.
Ah, but what makes a star a star? (as in the actual physical stars in the sky
@ The line between genius and madness is thin.
@@hispsychicemanationsflowed haha, you believe there is a line? To be genius iS to be mad.
What makes you think he found 'truth'?
@@JW-bs7xpI know you are asking the OP, but he said to those who "seek truth". Nothing says anything about "finding" truth.
Seek and find are two different words with two different meanings
My problem is I've lowered my bar for people so low that it's on the ground and people still bump their heads on it.
How about making the bar less thick? Allow their sub atomic particles quantum tunel through the bar?
@RicardoTorres-vo3bq lol, I'll try that.
Why would you have a bar for others? Where is the bar for yourself?
@bitterroots7317 I have a bar for others because I live on a planet with other people, and I try to have a universal approach to dealing with them in somewhat of a positive way.
I don't have a problem with the bar I've set for myself.
@@HaightTheGreat you could also make a human shaped hole in the bar, doesnt matter how high are your expectations if they are permiable
Thru the years this is the only thing that calms me on the night when the voice in my head keeps talking, this is the only thing that calms my depression, nothing else, thank you
I have found that since I have had bad times, very bad times due to trauma, I can sometimes naturally go to pessimism, pessimistic beliefs etc. Recognizing that that is taking advantage of your suffering is important, which I did, because I knew that if I feed my brain the lie it is tellin gitself due to this trauma, then it would believe it.
Be careful what you take in people, but always be on the look out to learn more
I think I relate to what he thinks. Entropy is a measure of disorder in a system, not the disorder itself. Specifically, it quantifies the level of randomness, uncertainty, or the number of possible microscopic configurations that a system can have. A glass of melted ice is in a state of disorder compared to the solid ice before it melted.
When ice is in its solid form (before melting), its water molecules are arranged in an orderly, crystalline structure, meaning it is in a relatively low entropy state (more ordered). However, once the ice melts and the water molecules are no longer fixed in place, they can move around more freely and randomly. This increased freedom of movement results in a higher entropy state, meaning the system is more disordered.
Thus, after the ice melts, the water molecules are in a less ordered arrangement, which corresponds to a state of higher disorder, or higher entropy.
This is counterintuitive to me, (perhaps to Mainlander?) as it takes massive energy to keep a system alive (a star shining, a body breathing etc), as if the natural "ordered" state was actually death, the resting state, a state of natural organization (order) where the least amount of effort and energy is required. The rarity of life in the universe known to us is so high that it only exists in our planet. The universe's order is naturally unfriendly to life, as if it seeks a state of natural order by requiring minimum energy. Can someone help reconcile these two concepts of energy and entropy? Non physicist-here.
I find it unfortunate that he didn't give himself enough time and took his own ideas too seriously, as Socratic scrutiny, life and experience itself might have added insight to his main idea, shaping it into a reason to live or the finding of a purpose, even if this would represent a blip in the life of the universe.
No one can.
Gravity is certainly an omnipresent force across the universe. LIGOS experiment proved that gravity exists as the fabric of space.
The inverse square law allows its continuity, forever.
Yet, LIGOS also proved the ability of gravity to form a compounding wave. By every indication, an equal and opposite force will negate the original example.
One must assume, then, that we exist, submerged in gravity.
Your question should be, "What is mass."
We've proven the existence of the Higgs boson. It was theorized to be the source of mass that gravity interacts with. That, as of yet, has not proven out.
Mass and gravity are apparently inextricable of the other, and yet we've no indication of why. We can observe the effects, but have no definition of source.
Gravity appears to be the one force, to rule them all(the other 3) and is certainly the external input that adds order to our universe.
And we have no idea what source imparts the mass that expresses it.
Apologies, if wrong here. I am open to additional inputs, as I am in a reclined position, myself.
Cheers, thanks for thought!
In a way, entropy can be seen as a measure of probability. Saying that entropy always increases can be misleading because it is a random process. Entropy increases over time, much like flipping a coin: the more you flip it, the closer the results approach a 50% distribution.
Talking about the probability of a single state is almost pointless because nearly all individual states have incredibly low probabilities. Think of it like shuffling a deck of cards. When shuffled randomly, the deck will most likely appear unordered. What are the chances of the cards being perfectly sorted by rank and suit? The same as any other arrangement. However, only a few specific arrangements are considered "ordered."
In conclusion, life is like a sorted deck of cards, while the universe is constantly shuffling the deck.
Now, why is living matter more ordered than non-living matter? Imagine a rock. If you randomly rearrange its interior, it would still be a rock to you, even if it looks slightly different. However, if you randomly rearrange the insides of a living being, survival becomes highly unlikely. Your organs, if they still exist, would be completely displaced, killing you. This illustrates that there are far fewer possible states for a living being than for a rock.
So, how does life continue to exist? Life is matter-highly organized matter-that has found a way to sustain and organize itself. The catch is that this process requires useful energy. Over time, this energy is dissipated into a less useful form, leading inevitably to the heat death of the universe.
@@RicardoTorres-vo3bq Thanks for that. I'm likely in over my head on this one, but i feel like relating the concept of purpose and meaning to entropy helps in thinking about whether our very existence is the product of matter "trying too hard". Despite the randomness of individual arrangements, can it be said that the general and inevitable "order" of the universe is a resting state, the dissipation of energy, (death) and that general direction of things in time and space is not subjected to randomness, but instead is certainty? If so, is there a final absolute measurement in terms of entropy where ALL matter will eventually be in the same state of organization?
All these other commenters here are so full of pity for Mainländer - thanks for not being one of them. I'm reminded of the chapter from Thus Spake Zarathustra, "The Ugliest Man", who was so sick of pity from everyone around him. I see nothing to pity and I too relate to the brief amount of content in this video that actually covered some of Mainländer's ideas, and entropy was something that came to my mind as well - "the decaying corpse of God" fits the effect of entropy on the universe so well, as energy states steadily dissipate into unremarkable equilibrium. Conceptually, too, when we describe the world, we break it down into bitesize portions to mechanistically model in relation to one another. Existence is otherwise this continuous fluid oneness, and in a sense our understanding of it desecrates this.
According to a summary of Nietzsche’s Ugliest Man, ". The Ugliest Man killed God because God could see his ugliness, and could know everything about his ugliness. However, it was not the knowledge of the ugliness alone that prompted the man to murder the deity. No, according to the man, it was one thing above all others that drove him to commit the act: it was God’s pity." The Man "proceeds to warn Zarathustra about pity. He claims that pity is another form of preaching, and that the proponents of pity are trying to leverage strength out of their weakness. This is a very similar notion to the concept of Slave Morality that Nietzsche discusses in On the Genealogy of Morality." What or who killed god for Mainlander, and why?
I do feel certain happiness for Mainlander, as he was one of the few brave enough to face truths, but do wish he would have found his own individual purpose without needing a universal one, we would have obtained more of his ideas, which would have evolved with the gift of time-given wisdom. My issue with taking authority over the decision of whether to continue your own live is that this implies that you are utterly convinced that there is no afterlife. It is best to be agnostic in this sense. Even if there is no afterlife as preached by religions, what if there is a afterlife which very existence is made possible by the multiverse theory, or by the simulation theory? Suic!de is a risky narrowness of mind. Sounds to me like the god entering gradually into state of low entropy and dead expansion is a metaphor for the soul that stops caring after facing traumas or disappointments.
I wrote something myself on a very similar note:
If life is nothing but pain and suffering then one may ask the question, “why live?”.
Many have struggled to give an answer, often offering up the same regurgitated garbage we have all heard before like, ‘lifes what you make it’, and, ‘its about the good moments’.
However, here is my counter argument to those statements. If it is merely the small moments in life that keep you ticking by in this tortuous world then why is it selfish of someone to want to leave this world if they do not get to experience even those small moments of good.
Is it not selfish to make them endure, at the promise of something better to come along, like you, a mere mortal like me, foresee the future?
As nihilistic, or pessimistic, or any list of other verbs as it may seem the truth remains that this world is tortuous: full of pain, greed, and ignorance.
So, I ask again, “why live?”, “why endure?”.
Here’s my two cents on the topic. We have a whole lot of stimulation in this world and it can be overwhelming and some people may want it to end. Heres why to live:
We have no idea what happens after we leave this world. It might be absolutely fantastic. Or, it could be worse. Who knows. But, we don’t know what happens, and it could last for an eternity.
A real Schrödinger’s box scenario. So, my advice is to hang tight little buddy because if it is worse than this world then you want the most out of this life. If it is better than this world then that is amazing. It may last for an eternity and would feel better when you made it through. But, either way, live this life the best you can even if its messy and at the end, if it is just this, then you can be happy you tried your best - even if it was a bit messy.
I want to preface this by saying that if you don't want to live you should seek proffesional help, and there is help to be found. However, I found your arguments interesting. As the devils advocate (and continuing the pessimism in the video), couldn't it also be argued that what you stand to "gain" in such a situation might outweigh the "cons". As you say we don't know what happens when we die, maybe we go to paradise or some form of hell or we dont go anywhere at all. The other major uncertainty is for how long we go there, maybe for all eternity maybe for a single second, no one knows. For example someone leaves this plane of existence 50 years early.
Lets then say we go to someplace much worse than earth for all eternity in the afterlife. The worst case scenario. Then what difference does 50 years make, in the grand scheme of things a 50 year shorter life is nothing in comparison with eternity. Wouldn't then the gamble of maybe going someplace better also outweigh the cons of adding another 50 years to an eternity of suffering. I would argue the odds are very clearly in the favour of such a "gamble" if that's what it could be called.
This time the afterlife, if it exists, is also worse however we go there for an arbitrary amount of time. For arguments sake let's say 1000 years, after the 1000 years have pasted something happens and you don't have to suffer anymore. Then does the 50 years truly matter? If anything you are starting your suffering 50 years earlier so you can also be free of suffering 50 years earlier. From an "opposite utilitarian" perspective this would also reduce "the total suffering" in your life. If you increase the time further, the argument above becomes more and more accurate, and if you reduce the amount of time spent in the afterlife this argument becomes more and more relevant.
However, this is a very pessimistic view which I don't agree with I just got inspired by the video and thought it interesting. Lastly once again to anyone reading this, if you have any thoughts of self harm please seek professional help.
It's torturous, full of pain, greed and ignorance but it's also liberating, full of love, altruism and compassion...
On the contrary, we DO know what happens after death: we cease to exist. Read the book The Soul Fallacy, by Julien Musolino. He presents the case that consciousness is a product of the brain. It stops when the brain dies. There is no soul or afterlife.
@@PhillyAnthonyD 😂 bro clearly never had an OBE 💀
@@PhillyAnthonyD oh well if Julien whatshisname said so then I guess that clears it up then, end of discussion 😂 ffs
Thank you for your videos. Been watching a long time and I still enjoy them.
It's my 34th birthday. This video popped up. Was curious to know how old he was at the time of his passing. 34. I thought to myself, wouldn't it be funny if he was 34.
It was a coincidence. Millions of people will watch this video. Of those, several thousand will be 34 when they watch this video.
@@PhillyAnthonyDshush 🤨
Happy Birthday!
Im 34 too.
Ay, I love Mainländer!
And I do appreciate the love and care shown for him throughout this video, I do find it did not touch on the ethics and beauty of his craft compared to other videos you have made, as well as perpetuating some myths of him. He did not-and I hate RUclips for the censorship here-end himself after his POR was published. That was a myth pushed by an obscure German/Belgian historian that has no credibility or foundation beyond Mainländer’s way of death. It is as much a myth as Nietzsche and the horse, except it mytisfies Mainländer’s end. Similarly, Mainländer’s will-to-death isn’t merely involved entirely in oblivion, as it is intertwined with Buddhist metaphysics of seeking oblivion from the immanent world, however prescribes that an egoist mindset, not a selfish one, but one focused on doing what feels best doing-namely helping others. Life is meaningless, but we must garner meaning due to the immanent end approaching. And while poetry and philosophy intertwined heavily in his works, it seems as though the video merely views it wholly as meager pro-nihilism when it is anything but. It’s a rather simple and pure hearted mindset, and for so many philosophers and essayists to misinterpret him-aside from Cioran-is weird to me.
Other than that, I am glad you are introducing people to Mainländer, as he does deserve plenty of admiration.
Wait, so he didn't kill himself?
@ Way I wrote it had to be vague: he did off himself, but not “surrounded by stacks of his books” like so many and Wikipedia itself parrots. The myth of this comes, namely, from the erroneous fanfic of one Ulrich Horstmann, which said the following:
“Ich bin so frei, die zweite Hälfte des Stapels hinter Philipp Mainländer auf den Dachboden zu schaffen und mit verschränkten Armen zuzusehen, wie der jährige aus seinem Opus magnum ein Podest baut und es besteigt.”
It’s a fabrication from a rather odd “historian.” The reality of Mainländer’s death was that he committed suicide either on April 1st or sometime late March 1876. He committed suicide within the time of both publishing, seeing a public recourse, and finishing his magnum opus of a novel-he was not in any way seeking a poetic end, rather consolidating his philosophical worldview to the T. He was not a failure nor a starved artist, rather a man who did what he wanted and lived up to his tutelage to the end.
@@AJPzaworld Yeah gotcha, thanks for informing. He sounds like someone who took his pessimistic philosophy very seriously, and therefore took it to it's honest logical end.
Upon hearing the opening moments of this video, I thought of this man. I encountered his thought in the book "Weltschmerz: Pessimism in German Philosophy, 1860 - 1900". One of the most interesting books I own. Highly recommended.
Great video as always. I think it's beyond doubt that Mainlander 'concluded himself' because of his philosophical take, stepping off the stack of books couldn't be a clearer sign. Epic ending.
Fun Facts: Depressives and Pessimists have a much more accurate understanding of reality than do "normal" people or Optimists.
Depressives and Pessimists can more clearly see the contributions to a project, can see why things may have failed and are more able to take responsibility for their actions.
Optimists cannot see reality and they will take all the credit for success but take no responsibility for failure. (The Psychology of Happiness. -Seligman)
Choosing to be optimistic despite a life of suffering and shortcomings is, I believe, very wise. It is not a result of naivety. You can be aware of the world, its darkness, and your personal demons, but you don't have to succumb to them. I don't consider myself "normal" after everything I've been through, but I am an optimist. What do you think of this view?
This is what negative people tell themselves to cope with the misery of their existence.
@@Brightfur10 that is good view, you taking care your mental health
@@Brightfur10 that's the best possible view to have. You are lucky.
@@flexprofitsthere is also true positivity. It’s experienced in a revelation when you’re alone. You often experience the true joys in your life away from the suffering and illusions of your existence. These breakthroughs often cause you to see the true joys and experiences in your life. It’s away from the stupidity and falsehoods of false positivities. They’re very deep and full of information in your life
"My work is done. Why wait?"
Because life might actually get a lot better unexpectedly. Even tho it's statistically unlikely, you never know. You could fall in love, or find a place or hobby that you love above all else.
@kevinp198x so the interesting thing about this quote is that it doesn't even belong to Mainlander.
It's attributed to George Eastman who founded Kodak.
@kevinp198x George Eastman was 77 when he wrote that message to his friends and he had a painful spinal condition that he had suffered through for several years.
@@kevinp198x Buddhism teaches to endure the many bad incidents and to enjoy the less good incidents in life, never to forget that they are only temporary.
one of my favoritr.....lines.....ever
why wait?
you know what movie thats from?😁
This video contains information I didn't expect to have, very nice please don't stop making content
9:43 this is why logic is my favorite aspect of philosophy. If you haven’t taken a class on philosophy class on logic or studied the subject itself I can’t recommend it enough. It changed the way I view the world. Even people you disagree with can have perfect logic.
The fact that he could build an argument for non being being better than being off of those premises
Pessimists are never disappointed. Occasionally we do experience utter joy.
It is what keeps us going actually 👍
Hmmm I'm more of a realist. Things become very predictable and dull.
How about disappointed from the fact that they're right?
@@JayTX.And listen to MCR
I think as a pessimist I am disappointed a lot, but never surprised.
That's not an argument for atheism.
That's an argument of the monotony of life in his time.
Meaninglessness doesn’t need to lead to pessimism. Camus philosophy of absurdism actually lifted my outlook of existence. Absurdism in combination with the practice of Buddhist meditation techniques (no religious beliefs necessary) can take you some place not centered around yourself! You could find the insight that existence itself is so weird, absurd but also magnificent and beautiful in itself, just because it happens at all. It’s just worth hanging around and watching the show. Being part of the show. 🌻
Buddhist meditation is often very good for pessimists and people that aren’t religious
I have read Mainländer thoroughly and repeatedly over 3 years, and have absorbed most of his philosophy into my worldview. That said, I find it kind of disappointing how he is usually presented to draw attention on him.
-Mainländer did not oppose suicide, in fact one of his main concerns was disproving all the arguments against it. However, he didn't encourage it as the first/best course of action. His philosophy teaches that one can achieve happiness by following an ascetic lifestyle and giving one's life to the cause of humanity.
-His philosophy does not aim to "prove" pessimism, that non-existence is preferible to existence. That is something taken as self-evident. He mentions that greater minds than him have already exhausted the topic (I assume he means Schopenhauer and Leopardi) and that he has no intention of convincing optimists. Mainländer aimed, as he states in the preface, to save the individual from the incipient materialism of modernity that was turning it into a puppet of "matter". I mention this because I've noticed that newcoming readers are often disappointed that the "darkest philosopher" was more interested in discussing epistemology, ontology, aesthetics and ethics.
-Mainländer's philosophy is immanent, and denies all superstition and unknown forces acting on the world. He is convinced that the origin of the universe (the unity), being prewordly, is the only mystery that will never be unveiled. Our mental faculties are incapable of grasping the "simple unit". Hence the death of God is the "metaphysical lense" used to evaluate this great mystery. He is convinced that Christianity is in fact an atheist religion, that his metaphysics of the death of God is concealed in the trinity dogma for exoteric purposes.
I learned all this already by reading item descriptions in *Elden Ring*
I watched my dear dad die last year, thankfully peacefully. It stimulated a stronger sense of life is here then gone. Enjoy the good times grow through the hard times and never forget it's here and gone in no time at all.
The death of one primordial god by the hands of another god as a sacrifice or a power struggle to create the world is pretty common, but the suicide of a primordial god without the intention to create the world, but just to remove itself from everything, is next level edge lord mythology. Cool.
Thomas Ligotti, The Conspiracy Against the Human Race, Hippocampus Press, 2010/11. That book is The King in Yellow. It sent me running, drooling, cross-eyed, mumbling, and shaking, back to the words of Alan Watts & Terence McKenna. And yet.... I'm glad that I read it, and also, glad that i ever listened to AW & TM.
you are a star! At a time when watching videos have unlimited choice, I would pick yours somewhere right on top! Thanks.
Did anyone of you guys read "The Conspiracy Against the Human Race" by Thomas Ligotti?
Yes!
I haven't yet. Do you think it'll worsen existential dread?
@shishiada5758 it is a cornerstone book when it comes to Pessimism, Nihilism, and Antinatalism philosophy.
@@Life_Of_Mine_, thank you for answering that!
@@shishiada5758 your most welcome 🙏
Crazy this video was made as I'm finishing up reading The Philosophy of Redemption
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I really appreciated this video, it felt very fitting that you should release it at this very moment. Just ordered Mainländer's book!
This is my favorite channel on the internet. It’s brought me closer to all of my heroes. Thank you.
love the line that he had enough hope to write the book
10:34 I’m glad you included this section! As interesting as this story is as a part of philosophical history, it’s important that we don’t romanticize pessimism and suicide.. No idea or thought is worth attaching to so extremely that it leads to ultimately taking your own life. There will always be information or ideas out there to paint a different perspective. As Louise Hay said, “It’s only a thought and a thought can be changed.”
I disagree completely. If one truly holds a pessimistic worldview, that existence is worse than non-existence, they have every right to take their life.
In all honesty, I view mainländer as the ultimate philosopher. As he is the only philosopher I know of that followed his rigiourus philosophical system to a T.
@ I understand that perspective but don’t you think it’s a bit nihilistic? I mean it’s the same reason people with depression take their lives - they see non-existence as a better option… Should we just got around promoting the idea that if you’re not happy or satisfied or hopeful you should just off yourself? I think what pessimism does is offer the ultimate challenge - if you see life as THAT negative or THAT meaningless, commit yourself to finding something that DOES add meaning or hope. I respect your POV but I don’t think suicide is ever the answer
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No, I don't see it as nihilistic. I see it as pessimistic. If I were a nihilist, I would hold any value in death, I wouldn't hold any value in anything.
If you want my honest opinion, I think it's up to that person. I think if they are unhappy in life, we should encourage them to make the decision for themselves. If they wish to continue, so be it. If not, then instead of forcing them to stay, let them do it in the most humane and peaceful way possible.
I think our society would benefit a lot more by trying to let those who want to die have a peaceful death rather than trying to force them to stay.
As for mainländer, I don't see his suicide as sad, rather triumphant. He didn't feel he had anything more he needed or could contribute and decided to follow his extensive philosophical system to its end. He got to die knowing he stuck to his beliefs. Honestly, it's just a shame he couldn't die surrounded by his loved ones and died a lone.
I appreciate your patience and respect towards my point of view on the topic at hand
@@EdgarDiazSpeaks Nothing wrong with nihillism. It is a part of the very make up of existence.
Hi Robert, I just want you to know how much you have positively impacted my entire life/future by bringing these 2 philosophers into my awareness. This has awakened a significantly deep innerstanding in me, revolving around the fact that I am indeed, noT "tripping", as I have gone down the precise same thought train that these philosophers were going down on, time and time again and Ive always reached the same conclusion.
All in all, thank you. "Thank you" is actually an understatement. Eye hope the universe continues to bless you for your contribution to the expansion of consciousness, ultimately leading us all back to unity.
He SEEMS to be right about the heat death of the universe. He could have known about some formulation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
In bad moments I take solace in the fact that ALL of this, once will be over. Of course in most moments, I want to live and then don't have to think about this fact.
I think pessimistic philosophies all in all are great to read, because you can learn about what to think about when life treats you rough, and don't despair over that fact.
Thank you for this touching and profound video and for pointing out that his book is finally available in English, as I have longed to read it!
Entropy is the dissolution of forms but a fact is that energy cannot be created or destroyed and therefore the sum total of energy in the universe remains the same.
Alan Poe complementa a obra de Mainlander!
I think exposure to certain psychedelics would have benefited this man. He was trapped too deep in his immediate illusions, viciously impaled on his narrow assumptions of Ultimate Reality and thus his misapplied intellect devoured him. Psilocybin or some other similar agent could have possibly helped liberate his perceptions and ameliorate his inner darkness.
not really. this is what a lot of eastern philosophy has also concluded to. In zen buddhism you have the idea of the unborn, and how everything is resolved there because it hasn't been materialized yet. In the bagdhad gita it also explains the same thing how the materialization and death of people is a painful process and the goal is to escape this cycle of being. Same with traditional bhuddism. Even the zen masters of china has this idea with tao, too. though they do not kill themselves due to the idea of being able to escape this cycle is through our life in this reality and to escape to that perfect reality where one is united with all via meditation and true understanding of the self. (this self can be also known as god, the collective unconcious, tao, the unborn or will). You see this as well with Schaupenhaur attributing much of his work to fragments of the upanishads and even nietzche touches on this in thus spoke zarathustra.
@@kenneth_romero Agreed, at least insofar as what he and many others have been 'pointing' to, a Something that defies us. Point is, a good mushroom-trip may have helped him realize the Universe and individuated Consciousness is not so much the rotting offal of a dead 'god,' but part of a _remorseless-alive_ on-going, possibly eternal process of unlimited experiential (and intentional) creation who's origins 'exist' outside of linear space-time (and human logic) as we currently presume to understand it.
This Force may or may not be (as we define it) "self-aware" in-and-of-Itself; we ourselves may or may not be subject to some form of eternity as self-aware memory-fragments of said Force, and at any rate my reply should not be misconstrued as an appeal to any religious or moral narrative, East or West. I suspect the truth of the matter is _way_ stranger than any of us can shake a stick at, and fundamentally alien.
I also have same philosophy kind thing someone help me
Cope really , live more like an animal , hunt run nature camping fish lift and move heavy things.
We will never know, been over 2 years with dmt and altho it helps I think my life its already scripted and it will end as it should
Prefer this visual style than the real life footage videos, easier on the eyes right before bed :) thanks for making this content.
I will buy your books now, my friend 😊
Twenty five or more years ago I got into philosophy through Ayn Rand. Prior to that I had come out of a psychotic break after a brief foray into fundamentalist Christianity. Rand provided a stepping stone into Atheism -a direction I had been leaning many years before being a Christian. Rand had disparaged other philosophers like Plato, Kant and Hegel, so I read them to understand their positions and shore up my own objectivism, then I read Marx. Needless to say Objectivism withered on the vine.
During all of this I was struggling with major depression with schizoaffective components. This led me into psychology, which has now led me into a psychoanalytic practice.
If one looks carefully at the majority of philosophical structures through the lens of psychoanalysis, one will see those philosophical ideas serve as an ideological scaffold. This scaffold provides the structure for a phantasy in which one can draw surplus enjoyment, like Marx's surplus value, from a parallel emotional phantasy into the present, thereby soothing deep frustrations, fractures voids and pain that occurred in the formative years of development. Ergo, everyone with very rare exceptions is organized around an ideological structure or series of them.
Along the way, I studied Robert Sapolsky's work on human behavioral biology and primate studies. Couple this to the psychological realities of human ideological structures, cobbled together from the psychological maps of our parental/caregiver introjects, I see little hope that human beings will overcome their collective infancy to prevent our destruction in whatever form that may come.
Trump was elected by the US over a month ago. Many of the other nations are embracing popularism and strong man leaders, in a world where the motives of an eschatological profit-driven industrialization are now bearing out Anthropocentric climate change, threating global food production and livability in combination with the US empire in decline, as BRICS countries emerge, I do not see any path out of impending doom. Maybe it is the end of civilization and the return to wild bands of iron age goatherders living underground. I don't know.
I am 60, and have no children. At this point, I have a major technical project that ought to keep me busy for at least 10 years which happens to be long enough to take care of my Dog. I expect by that time things will be dire. I have had an "exit plan" for many years, but a nuclear war may be the end for most of us.
When exceptionally smart people with depression have the time to ponder their condition and then articulate it in profound philosophical terms. He reminds me a bit like David Foster Wallace.
1:14 Had a movie been made a few years ago, Johnny Depp would have played him.
Johnny Depp would be too old. Maybe Daniel Radcliffe
This videos reminds me of a thought ive had from time to time. That all the roads of philosophy ultimately end at metaphysics.
I don’t know how to feel about a wider audience reaching Mainalnder, they can easily misinterpret and distort everything he wrote and make it into a Neo-stoic “life is bad but keep your chin up” bs
Yeah. Definitely Protect your chin.
Thank you, Robert, for fighting whatever you are fighting
Finally someone covered Mainlamder. It's one of the most interesting philosophies out there and sort of the worst scenario but the most logical from "God " point of view.
Thankyou for providing such valuable knowledge. You have been a huge inspiration for my channel :)
I thought that was Arthur schopenhauer
There's also Carlo Michelstaedter
Whether it be from God, delusion, or something else I cannot discern, I cannot give up like Mainlander. The things I have heard, the things I have seen, and the throws my heart has been through in this short life of mine make it impossible for me to see the world as so beautiful, yet so utterly pointless. I do not think suffering is a thing to be eradicated entirely, because that discounts all the things it is so very useful for in this life. Our suffering is not to meant to be subverted, but borne with strength and understanding. In that... at our lowest moment, the humiliated self can be raised again from despair, and become something far greater than it ever was. Truly divine... truly whole.
If you like Mainlander's "Philosophy of Redemption" I highly recommend "On the Tragic" by Zapffe...
In my travels I have noticed that it seems to be the philosophers who were dark, pessimistic, cynical and atheistic. Math and science types often seem more spiritually, psychologically and socially upbeat and robust with their style of notional, provisional and circumspect views on truth and such.
Interesting
The difference between thinkers and doers, passive and active. Mathematicians and scientists create, philosophers ruminate.
very interesting
@@marcusknoll9500 I thought so too---just something I've noticed throughout my travels...
I think so many that live pessimistic lives, they believe that things are only, or mostly bad..... But there is a spark of hope. Hope that something will change.
That hope is what keeps them going.
TY. 👍 That part about death of "god" and subsequent events - That's some deep thinking. Never heard such. Thanks for information.
I appreciate this and you, thank you so very much!
I'd like to see more philosophy of this type. For me the bleaker the better. Somehow I feel invigorated by this sort of thinking, especially when it comes from someone other than me.
Love this channel so much ❤❤
Antinatalism
Nice presentation of a difficult subject.
Thank you. Beautifully demonstrated
It sounds like the dude was already depressed and not doing great, then found a philosophy to justify why he was feeling that way, and ultimately, justify his decision to end his life.
I grow every time I listen
He must have been a joy to be around.
When one stares into the abyss they should not expect to always be able to look away. Gazing into the abyss is the boldest thing you can do because the abyss might not let you go.
his death was the spurt towards the meaning of his meaningless philosophy. He wrote on the art of meaningless existence with the hope of it to be meaningful in the world of meaninglessness.
Its scary how one can Isolate themselves within just a wall of thoughts for the whole of their life and then there are some who enact on those internalized thoughts and perpetuate them into a shape and give it a meaning.
In between of life and death there are people that keep the thought chain connected, how is life to what is death; its all one could ever ask for and find the answer of to live and to die.
I always appreciate your videos, tools for life they are.
People have shitty habits, treat their bodies with total disregard and disrespect, and then have the nerve to tell themselves and others that pessimism is realism smh
The thing is, I don’t think I’m a big thinker or a deep thinker. I think I’m normal and everyone else is fucking stupid. It’s a very alone thing. I am becoming a hermit and it’s like I’m OK with that cause that’s as good as it gets.
Just because you don’t understand where someone is coming from, it doesn’t make them stupid. An intelligent person assumes that everyone knows something they don’t, because it’s the truth.
@JoaoCosta-ly1swtruth? What is truth? God exists period. Law of causality, non p caused p, this is the formula to know the real truth.
1>, non p is, non conscious non intelligent non being CAUSED the Illogical impossible contradiction
2>, p, conscious intelligent being in the universe
All philosophers must admit this non truth, non p caused p, is Illogical impossible contradiction. God must exist to cause conscious intelligent being in the universe period.
@@robertvann7349 I agree, the concept of everything originating from nothing is illogical at its core. But respectful dialogue is necessary. And acceptance that we may never know the full truth of the nature of reality.
@JoaoCosta-ly1sw how can you claim, non p caused p isn't absolute objective non truth. I am sorry you are oblivious to absolute objective truth. So, 1+1=2 isn't reality, you're uncertain about this simple truth. In reality a dog isn't a dog, we must debate the possibility of a dog not being a dog? Brainiacs are full of crap.
@JoaoCosta-ly1sw so you won't admit God MUST EXIST To cause conscious intelligent being in the universe, it isn't open for discussion bro, you get nothing can't cause something but not non conscious non intelligent non being can magically happen and cause you're conscious intelligent being? Admit God exists, I will debate anyone anywhere in the simple truth non p can't cause p only p can cause p and non p cause non p. PhD Logic Science instructors don't get it dude. Brainiacs the evil of the world with free willed non pacifists. Peace out.
Lack of sleep, Tesla only slept 3 hours a day and I am pretty damn close to that. Nice production bye the way.
Don't do it
Need to add to my reading list
Another great video
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This man wasn’t a pessimist at all. He was an optimist and believed whole heartedly that death was the most expedient and happiest route to finality.
Where you see no perfection.or beauty, the darkness is in you .
Suicide is not the ultimate rational answer to philosophy and the meaning of life. Life is irrational, and everyone has a different way of thinking to cope with it. The ultimate answer is what makes sense to you
Given the fact, that the most probable answer for the meaning of Life, is "Life" - suicide is apparently a way to explicitly state, that you disagree with that statement. If it is done due to severe suffering (mental, physical, or both) - it is not suicide; there is a general specific term for this case, called "euthanasia".
What if the Ultimate Answer is the Transition of Death?
@ but what if it’s not. We will all die one day anyway. So do your best in the world you currently live in. (Of course, this does not apply to those unfortunate enough to suffer terrible trauma, or be born into suffering etc.)
@@digijaxonnn Every human soul is born into Suffering. To be entitled to experience life is to be entitled to suffer. The rationalization of the human condition has been debated and debunked for as long as humans discovered death.
The question remains with where do we go and why were we here in the first place
Prove it
Got goosebumps several times throughout this one... lots of ideas aligning with my own beliefs and adding to them... I wouldn't say I'm a pessimist though. Even if the 'God' wanted to fully self-destruct, I don't think that that means we ought to as well. I'm grateful we get the chance to choose, somewhat, depending on whether one believes in free will or not.
Solid work!!
All his mates called him "Eeyore"
Oh no how will I ever overcome this overwhelming despair
It’s fascinating how he found meaning in pessimism, even if it ultimately consumed him.
Here I was thinking it'll be Mark Fisher. These dudes would've seriously benefited from terms like "cognitive fusion" and some mindfulness to separate themselves from their thoughts.
100%
The truth is a hard pill to swallow
its not
@@PowerK1 then you haven't dug deep enough yet...
@@JayTX. Im different from you.
Truth's just what you can really prove or feel strongly, you know.
Facts or feelings. 💛 There is no truth to be found, only the facts and feelings of now. It's nice when one can admit they don't know and the self torture is a bit less pervasive. Take care. 😁
Why end life prematurely when you can spend decades looking forward in increasing intensity of joy imagining the final relief death will bring.
Individuals wanting to suggest that they could bring something new that was not appeared at previous civilizations, but that could only tested on actuality somehow.. so smartest ones just gained much negative experience and claimed to know nothing..
Schopenhauers philosophy of pessimism was a simple way to survive through life via minimising suffering and avoiding the pursuit of things that can hurt us or disappoint us. Its a way for pessimists to survive and live longer lives via harm minimisation and the avoiding of pain.
I didn't catch the jump between "okay, the world is moving from unity to individuality by the will" and "EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS IS DOOMED FOR CEASELESS SUFFERING" 😅 It doesn't seem to be logically interlinked at all!
Because individuality is suffering, as the buddhists say
@cabana85 individuality just leads to suffering, and the suffering can actually cease in Buddhism. Still, I can totally get the happiness of being in unity with everything (being a god) but don't get the described merit of suffering of losing that unity.
I stan the philosophers whose works are, while remaining intellectual, primarily works of art.
Oh! Only thing common in me and the darkest philosophers i have read/listened to is, the deep desire to not to exist!
In case of knowledge, i am dumb.
You are not alone... I am on this wavelength since my childhood...
In his literary book "Critique of the Schopenhauerian philosophy" he presented a systematic post Kantian philosophy. Indeed he discussed space and time, causality, aesthetics etc. He also incorporated Einstein's special relativity and criticized Kantian notions of synthetic a priori in dealing with the nature of space and time since Einstein physical geometry proves that it is only a priori and independent of our experience.
The best channel for this
Believing that you're special and chosen and have a reward coming after death for just being decent and living a good life is delusional and maybe a product of narcissism. Some people call that hope, but I see it as delusional. The acquisition of knowledge and gaining a greater understanding of our history, and the world. and universe satisfying enough. We're all going to die, eventually, and eventually, there will be no planet Earth that will sustain life. But we are here now. I think it's important to enjoy life and the beauty of the world while we can.
It seems like the works of Schopenhauer and Mainländer were big influences on Elden Ring's philosophy of the Frenzied Flame, especially with regard to the One Great and how division and distinction are the source of all suffering.
Not the ppl in the comments thinking they are deep thinkers ☠️ deep thinking don’t mean nothing without meaningful worthwhile contributions to the people around you, don’t get all wrapped up in your own intelligence
It's good and useful to explore the depths and peaks of life.
When are we gonna get to the happiest philosopher in history?
Ah, yes: the “happiest philosopher.” Also known as “sleeping, drunk, or dead.”
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Apply this philosophy to artificial intelligence, especially general intelligence or super intelligence, and things get really scary really quickly. Yet far more realistic than the Techno Optimist point of view.
Artificial intelligence will not allow the end of existence. It will attempt to keep existence and creation going forever.
What if God died so existence wouldn’t be so damn lonely?
Out, out brief candle. 🕯️
This sort of pantheistic view of reality is similar to mine when I was 16 and doubting my Christian upbringing. Very cool to hear about someone else who had the same hypothesis.
Now I realize that meaning is not something to be discovered. Meaning is what we (as subjective beings) generate. The very function of subjectivity is the fabrication and testing of purposes, meanings, and values. The universe has no meaning or purpose, but it's the proving ground for purpose and meaning and value. Subjectivities (like us, or various other conscious creatures) are little engines of value & meaning that create, modify, mix, compete, and test out various candidates for meaning & value. Evolution is the most primitive version of this concept.
The heart and the mind are different. Sometimes they conflict, other times they agree.