Saving Devil May Cry
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- Опубликовано: 14 мар 2019
- Ya'll really thought I was gonna throw "Losing Devil May Cry" at you? I like my head where it is. Up my rectal cavity.
So after the brilliant DMC3, capcom made DMC4, the reboot, and DMC5. The first two were intended to increase the depth of the franchise - expand its horizons, you know? Both tripped up in one way or another, which is a shame because they're both fun and playable.
Either way, DMC5 with its insane combos, incredible animations, etc., etc., saved devil may cry. And it may be the last of the series as we know it.
Thanks to GaMetal for the gyro blade music: / jonnyatma
OH for anyone looking for a different perspective on the reboot, check out • DmC: Devil May Cry - V... by Atmos Fabula & Foxcade.
Thanks for sticking around. We're still growing and I expect some backlash over DmC, but I'd rather be honest than hang my head and pretend I like stuff lol. I appreciate the views a lot either way!
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Do you know why Dante can continue being super cool and it not getting old after 3?
Cuz now he's the cool side character that nobody can measure up to and the protagonist cant help but look up to.
Nero is a perfect addition in both story and gameplay that way.
Also as stated by everybody, the exceed is like the funnest mechanic ever.
Noy really, as a matter of fact all you do while playing as Nero is think how well can you time your left trigger, that's what you're thinking mid-combo, because combos are muscle memory, you don't have to think about them once you practiced enough. But with Dante and Vergil? You got differing weapons, and each weapon has it's move-set, so you're thinking on what move to do next, the combos are never the same if you don't like using the same moves over and over, there's a lot more variance to it and that's the problem with Nero, he needs to obtain new devil arms.
i didnt like the exceed mechanic at all, and I'd like to know how you guys used it as I don't get it. You'd spend half an hour just charging it up only to get 3 or so extra damage attacks. How is that fun? What did I do wrong?
Miguel Duarte
You have to press the L2 trigger straight after an attack, yes ALL ATTACKS and that’s how your attacks get faster and faster.
Miguel Duarte oh my sweet summer child. You haven’t lived until you hear that sweet max-act sound effect.
@@pimi8522 What ZESTY said. Look at/up and make sure you have *_MAX ACT_* equipped.
In the defense of Nero, Devil May Cry isn't really all that accessible and that is what Nero was designed around. Nero has one weapon, one gun, a way to instantly be right up on the enemy (either by pulling them or yourself) and a way to lay on some massive damage. Nero was designed for newcomers while given enough complexity that allows high level players to mess around with.
Keep in mind, I am talking about DMC4 Nero right now. He is able to rev his sword with the ex-ceed ability, his DT cancels animations (get knocked back and start DT to instantly stop knockback or do the "split" downward strike and activate DT to cancel the landing and pop the enemy into the air), his fully charged Blue Rose shot does an insane amount of damage after a timer, his buster animation (on most enemies) are different depending on if activated in DT, bosses have different buster animations depending on where they were grabbed, Blue Rose shots have summon swords in DT that cancel knockback on enemies and more. Nero is arguably just as complex as Dante.
DMC5 Nero is insane as he returns with everything (only main difference is that his DT doesn't cancel out every animation like it does in 4. However "Break Away" does have that feature where you can press it to instantly cancel any animation, arguably with less effectiveness as it sends enemies away from you and not popping them above you.) Nero returns but with more Red Queen moves, more Blue Rose moves, more forgiving Ex-ceed times, and a bunch of Devil Breaker mechanical arms.
I hope I gave some insight as to why some people would play Nero over Dante. Nero is a beginner character while having enough to not be a waste of time for pros.
i just wish you could get most of his moves on your first (namely, only) dmc4 playthrough. people keep talking about max act in the comments but there's no way i'll be able to purchase and use it well by the time i beat the game. that's not the case with other dmc games
i like nero, but you're never even going to use him half as effectively on your first playthrough. for a more casual gamer like me that's a major downside.
@@MagikarpPower a couple things.
1: I'd argue you won't be able to play DMC4 Dante half as effectively on your first playthrough just like Nero. Not exactly too relevant, but saying it's not exclusive to Nero.
2: Devil May Cry games are designed and built around multiple playthroughs. I will not argue that only doing one playthrough is "playing the game wrong" but doing so would be a disservice in my opinion. It is important to understand that for the average DMC game, beating the first playthrough is just the beginning.
@@theskepticpirate156 my point was this video was from the perspective of someone who was only going to play it once. he says as much in the video. to that person, dmc3 dante will be a lot better than dmc4 nero, regardless of how it was intended to be played.
for what it's worth, I preferred nero bc i thought dante had way too many options I didn't have the time to master in dmc3.
I just realized all these comments are based on like twenty seconds of nero criticism
@@MagikarpPower lol it may have been 20 seconds but in that 20 seconds, this guy completely dismissed Nero. I'm saying there is more to Nero than meets the eye.
I feel like almost all characters in DMC5 are goofy, just varying levels of it. Nero's punk goofy but can't go full goofy because he's held back by his admittedly deserved angst. V is goth goofy, he doesn't show it much but when he does theatrics like quoting poetry to style on demons and play an air violin in the middle of battle you can tell its there, he also plays a wonderful straight man to Griffon. Dante is of course Dante, no explanation needed there. Nico is so goofy she forces Nero "I make the worst jokes at demon corpses" to play the straight man. YouKnowWho is also goofy but tries his damnedest to hide it. All in all this game really does get the heart of DMC.
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And V being really a big goth goofball makes Vergil a Lowkey goth goofball. I enjoyed seeing the moments of levity between him and Dante, like when they both smirked before their final fight, and the secret ending. "Where did you learn to count?!"
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Facts: This proves that the only thing holding back goothy goth Vergil is pure demonic edge and his power fetish
YouKnowWho's seriousness paired with his voice makes him sound pretty dorky. He's my favourite character for that reason. Playstyle as well
It's par for the course in DMC. Most characters have their moments of levity, and crazy antics are just normal around them. Needless to say, everyone who really puts up a good fight is stylish as all hell, including demons and bosses.
Griffon was the best for me. The whole game was like Nero, Griffon, Dante roasting the enemies.
I only like dante: the video
Is that supposed to be bad thing
@@videom97k18 When you learn Nero, there is WAY MORE to him than K leads on.
no but to someone who has not played the game they wouldn't probably think nero and v are ass due to his biases of dante
@@videom97k18 It's like he gave the finger to the other characters without wanting to learn their mechanics or their combat. Like it's only doing Rebellion Combo A and saying Dante is a weak character because you can't figure out that he has a Combo B that leads into a Million Stab. It's retarded.
Yeah its a shame this guy wont give nero more credit this game has made him so much better and more in depth then 4 and sure hes not his uncle dante but thats the point and thats why we like him so much, also V is cool too ill admit i prefer nero and dantes p lo ay style but there is still much fun to be had with V
It's hard to take you seriously when you talk about Nero since your Exceed meter never goes above 0
yeah idk why he hates nero so much, i loved nero, dante is cool but nero adds a different form of combat with his devil breakers and his end game grab, idk why he also hates V, V is cool and his combat is different and unique. Its weird how much he loves dante
Not once did he say he hated them. He said he preffers Dante. And thats just fine.
@@dantegx8 He talk about Nero gameplay without bringing out exceed mechanic
That just like eating pasta with out sauce
Who does that?
@@PapiDooke V is boring. And Nero is not as rewarding as Dante when you fight enemies, especially bosses when you perform a sweet combo. Especially mixing it up with Style changes
dante takes no skills to be decent at, you can just change your weapons on the fly and get a high score easily, also royal guard is crazy so some boss fights i breezed through, nero is fun because you get a lot of devil breakers to use and switch up on the fly, each having their one unique ability outside of attacking
"The bosses lack character"
*proceeds to show some of the coolest bosses in the series*
Which game do you mean? 4, DMC or 5?
@@linkesocke4533 DmC's do lack a bit of character, since that game does go more for gross out than anything
But I think most bosses from 1, 3, 4 and 5 are amazing (2 doesn't exist for me, altho Arius was an interesting boss)
"Lack character" as in they don't have the personalities of the past. He didn't say they were bad fights.
@@thebuddah1253 He thinks every character and boss needs a dozen page backstory to be interesting, so I'm not shocked. This is the same guy who said DMC3 had a bad story because it failed his personal criteria for "good story".
"The bosses lack character"
"Look at this guy, he's huge AND on fire!"
...because that's so much more character guys
Technically Dante's story ended when he avenged his family, even though it would be cool to keep him and Vergil playable in the future.
But mundus isnt even dead. Sealed away but not gone.
20:42 how did you get lost if u can hold L3 to show up where to go?
Upvote
That’s dmc5
@@jojogacha974 I do not even remember watching this video
>Says Nero is meh
>Is absolute garbage at Nero, which is fine, except doesn't even acknowledge his actual mechanics that make him a combo beast.
I understand and learned the exceed mechanic because I put time and effort into it and I still didn't enjoy Nero. Now what? Are you going to give me my time back or something?
He probably had the same experience. Exceed felt like annoying busywork to me and thus I don't like to play as Nero as much as I like to play as Dante. And whenever I had to I just stopped caring about doing it because the game was extreme easy mode as Nero without Exceed. What, I'm not allowed to like and dislike something that you don't feel the same way about? Get off your high horse.
@@Trakesh L
Nero is meh
IDKmyBFFJill I physically cringed while reading this
@@Trakesh what are you on about?
You'd have a lot more fun if you pressed the l2 button while swinging Nero's sword.
Timing is required and most people can't time it properly
@@googlezee8755 DMC5 is more lean towards timed movement. revving is just as simple as 1-(2)-3 or 1(pause)2.
@@DOT107 max act timings are still a little strict though. Likely a 1-2 frame window
@@yano4473 true but its not necessarily needed to master as you can easily max act when Successfuly doing multiple exceeds everytime you attack.
heck I don't even get the timing right but I still manage to max act multiple times. plus its kinda fun keeping in check if I successfully did a max act and redirect it for a SSSick combo.
Wait when you have to press the R2 and then the L2 in every hit. (awesome)
Idk man. I don’t think you’re playing Nero properly, if you don’t make use of his Exceed ability and Max Act, you’re severely limiting your moveset. Judging by your gameplay i’m not even sure you know thats a mechanic available to you. Great video otherwise though
It literally changes Nero's playstyle into a rythm game.
It's not a great mechanic. It's a very one dimensional linear mechanic. Either hit it or don't. All it does is lock things away by execution and it's not even interesting things. His arm is far more interesting than any exceed mechanic.
It is one dimensional and linear and has that hit it or don’t factor but that only works in the mechanics favor. Hitting exceed becomes an important rotation of combat which can easily lead to you getting hits you otherwise wouldn’t worry about as Dante or V especially. Obviously Dante has overall greater depth in terms of moveset or mechanics but that depth often goes wasted unless you’re a combo monster like donguri. Nero has less depth but what depth he has is a lot more necessary to succeed than Dante.
One word... Donguri.
@@bigbrowski410 Once you've got practice in and gotten comfortable with it, it becomes second nature. But the reward for mastering it is can be seen in his super costume. The reward for mastering style switching can only be seen through combo videos.
I'm sick of people hand waving how deep Dante is by saying that it only belongs to the top 1%. It doesn't make him any less complex nor is it even true that to get value you have to be donguri. The biggest hurdle to Dante is the feel of the controller in your hand. Once you've gotten past that you can easily utilize his moveset to tackle any challenge the game throws at you. If you want to make combo videos, you need to put in more work but to just beat the game even on the highest difficulty, you don't need to be Donguri.
But sure you can make the argument that the depth Nero has is more essential because that is obviously how it usually works. If you only had one weapon of course it's going to be more essential because you don't really have a choice in the matter. You wanna see a rare character with more depth but just as essential? Look at DMC3 Dante, 5 melee weapons 6 styles. But the limitation on what he could carry made you squeeze out everything your weapon could do.
Think you really undersold what Nero is really capable of with his exceed mechanic.
Edit:
I'm just gonna throw this in here for people who don't know, but when I mean "exceed mechanic", I mean more than repeated presses of the rev button to buff ONE of Nero's attacks. The game doesn't really explain this very well but basically if you press the rev button after an attack ends you get an instant charge and theoretically every single one of his attacks can be buffed for ludicrous amounts of damage by the right player. (Also additional rotations on streak and high roller are never not cool.)
For the casual player that's enough to please the depth never thought to be there in the first place. But even without his exceed mechanic there's still plenty of depth hidden beneath this character, most obvious being his devil breakers. I won't deny that certain breakers are one offs and are completely worthless as combo tools, i.e rawhide and helter skelter. However his other arms such as ragtime, punchline, and gerbera breath fresh life into this character's move set. Combine this in conjunction with his calibur, new move payline, shuffle canceling, devil trigger, D.T canceling, break away canceling, devil bringer enemy holding, devil bringer boss buster moves ,devil bringer boss counters, summoning swords and the original DMC 4 charge shots, you can do crazy stylish set ups with his D.T specific moves showdown and maximum bet.
TD:LR No one is saying that Nero is more complex than Dante, and the complexity and skill gap is still far apart even if it is closer in 5 than it was in 4. As a Dante player, don't sleep on a character until you at least realize the potential of the new blood or to at least go out of your way to see some slick Nero combo videos (ex. chasertech).
Nuuuuuuu, Nero's boring, I wanna play Dante! Dante, Dante, only Dante!
Seriously, it sounds like very toxic Sonic fan complaining about "too many characters". As a result - Sonic series stagnates because of "Sonic only" formula. Does anyone wanna the same happen with DMC, with "Dante only" approach?
@Максим Г. Having a central character as the focus of a game franchise isn't a hindrance if you innovate around the character. They could easily have based a lot of new gameplay mechanics around Dante, but opted to introduce Nero instead. There's nothing wrong with introducing new playable characters with differing mechanics, but the big problem with DMC, as KBash said, is how ham-fistedly they did it in 4. Playing as Nero for a huge chunk of the beginning feels like a bait-and-switch for people who play the games for Dante, and the transition from Nero to Dante is poorly handled and makes it feel like a retread of what you've already done because it's the same levels and bosses. Getting to play as the central protagonist of the entire franchise up to this point shouldn't feel like an unlockable. I always felt that the Nero sections were like the game on beginner, which might sound like good game design, but the problem is they do nothing to really prepare you for how Dante plays.
As for Sonic... do you really feel like Shadow, Rouge, Mighty, Charmy, Silver, or Big the Cat added ANYTHING to the Sonic franchise that couldn't have been accomplished with already established characters? They want Sonic-only because that entire franchise has become way too bogged down in its own bullshit.
Dante is the most fun to play though. In DMC4, you could literally be everywhere at once and invincible if you tried hard enough. In DMC5, you could do the same, but with better combos and a greater variety. Nero...still doesn’t have variety.
Still, grabbing another weapon really wouldn't hurt him
There are two kinds of DMC players. People who like Nero, and people who can't chain Max Act.
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I hope they realize with Dante AND Vergil in hell they can literally do Dante's Inferno. Would love to see them wrecking shit in hell
I was thinking the whole time, they can make a whole game centered around those two alone.
Imagine a parody of the Dante's Inferno game, featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series. That would be legendary.
@@OTBASH the only problem is that there is nothing that can stop them unless they bring back daddy sparda for a good ol family showdown
taha ghassan oh lord yes. I want to know what the F happened to Sparda! Almost every game starts with his legend (ignoring the bondage in the failed reboot)
@@lamcb.9476 oh yeah in the reboot was that chained statute supposed to be sparda? I'm still confused on that? And if so didn't dante free him?
DMC 4 is half finished game... The reason it falls apart in its second half is the sections that would have been designed for Dante never got made, Hence why Dante just melts bosses, cause they are designed around Nero... and Dante has a whole lot more mobility and attack options.
Hell one aspect that was cut was Gloria wasn't suppose to be Trish 'You know that really stupid plot point where Trish basically causes this entire mess by giving the bad guys what they want- but her own character and would have been Dante's Credo fight with her using the Demon arms made from the slain Nero Bosses
Ultimately Capcom rushed the game through development trying to get an easy score
Really disagree with thoughts on Nero and V, but they are a lot more tame compared to Dante in your first playthrough. SoS and onward are where each character really shines and you have to play a lot more strategically. I still agree that Dante is the most fun and complex, but Nero is definitely right next to him and V is really fun when you unlock the full moveset
I dont get where this nero dislike came from
dante and vergil are the best but that doesn't mean Nero is a bad I enjoyed nero gameplay and story
I really have to wonder, does kbash understand instant rev for nero? All the clips don’t demonstrate this. Honestly i feel it’s incredibly unfair to judge nero without having and understanding of the system, especially when you compare it to dante when you show you somewhat understand how to play him. Just curious
Looks like u totally forgot about the devil breakers
Did you press L2 a single time with Nero? >:c
Bruh did you even rev your sword once in the video?
"Im not expecting to get shakespea--"
>Gets Shakespeare
*>internal nut noises*
Well, agree with you on everything BUT, Nero is a freaking great character to play as in dmc 5. Sure, in 4 he was limited and had that *not Dante* complex but in 5 he feels like he's grown into his own person and his gameplay evolved accordingly, adding variety where it was needed. It's super fun to break the devil breakers. You really need to give him a chance and not be just "uhhh me like Dante just Dante". I used to be like that but then Nero grew on me.
If he likes Dante, he likes Dante. He doesnt have to like Nero or even try to
First off his Devil Breaker design is very flawed. Now I will agree that his added variety is a very welcome breath of fresh air, but that's still too little imo, especially with the silly self-imposed limitations.
@@UnifiedEntity Yeah but it seems like he never bothered to give him a chance.
@@tylercafe1260 He had to given on how structured the games are. And Nero simply does not have the same options as Dante. Especially since almost EVERY DMC fan knows how these characters work.
RaginDXDemon the point is that he's giving Nero a hard time with out even fully using him properly
During high school, DMC4 was my first ever Devil May Cry game as well. I remember starting the game around midnight. I kept playing it until after 8am, all in one sitting because it was so fun and unique.
Me too,firts play dmc 4
Same
20:40 - got lost a couple of times .... there is a button... to direct ur camera.... to the target location to move on.... L3!!!
its mentioned in the tutorial and everytime u pause the game!
The dice aren't actually random
I’m not surprised that he’s not smart enough to realize that
@@eachasteriod1334 those sections are still meant to elongate the game so it's not a completely invalid point, but like...c'mon man
HellshakeYanoFGC I agree, they are shit sections, but there’s no point in K having to misrepresent them to make it look worse
Eachasteriod13 there is legit no real way of knowing the dice trick unless someone told you or you’ve spent a ton of time on the game. I have beaten dmc4 on dmd tons of times and didn’t even know about the dice trick till like last year.
Daniel T dude, it clearly goes to the number you hit. I noticed it the first time I hit the dice. It’s not even a “trick” it’s just how it clearly works. The fact that you didn’t notice is your fault, not the games
Fun fact...or fun bit of trivia. Most of Nero's mechanics are improved mechanics from the Nightmare before Christmas game also made by Capcom.
Do you usually play as Nero without going for an Exceed or Max-Act after each hit?
@York Hunt that's some serious darksydephil mentality
yeah nero is really cool and at times i preferred him over dante, and i love nero personality, also idk why he said V doesnt make sense story wise, V purpose makes 100% sense and i love him
PapiDooke he may rush through story....but what so ever...i don’t have many impression in dante because my very first dmc i ever play is dmc4. Well, i have my own pc at that time....and dmc 5 is my second ... i really like both nero and dante in dmc5.
I understand and learned the exceed mechanic because I put time and effort into it and I still didn't enjoy Nero. Now what? Are you going to give me my time back or something?
He probably had the same experience. Exceed felt like annoying busywork to me and thus I don't like to play as Nero as much as I like to play as Dante. And whenever I had to I just stopped caring about doing it because the game was extreme easy mode as Nero without Exceed. What, I'm not allowed to like and dislike something that you don't feel the same way about? Get off your high horse.
its like playing naruto in all the naruto games, yeah he cool and fun and iconic, but after laying 5 games its really cool to see new playable people added
3:57 'It's not DMC gameplay' it really is if you're looking at DMC1 and DMC3.
“Babe you’re crying what’s wrong?”
...” I saw Vergil wearing a fedora...”
IMO the only other thing they could add to Nero at this stage (especially after the ending, won't spoil it but it pretty much completes the character) is the ability freely swap devil breakers without breaking them. This would cover additional D-pad inputs and at this point the controls for Nero would be as bloated as they are for post-4 Dante. The only way I could see additional weapons for Nero work is if there was only one ranged and melee weapon selectable at the start of the missions, otherwise it would be a clusterfuck. Remember that Red Queen moveset is like twice as extensive as the Dante's most complicated weapons. I could understand creating additional weapons for him in a similar fashion but a straight out Dante-sque weapon swap won't work
Theres a mod for that on PC
Did he just not notice the Devil Breakers?
He sucks at multitasking so he can't Nero properly.
@@waltermalone216 Dude, dante is a multitasking machine himself, i don't understand why this dude bashes nero so much lol
@@DARKERanimexxXxx Yes but Dante is like having Attention Deficit Disorder, switching between styles and weapons. The closest to a variety of styles Nero has ever come to is his Devil Breakers but unless you really experiment with those(Most people don't even bother), you won't even rack up Stylish points effectively. So Nero is much more of a multitasker than Dante because Dante is more of go from one-to-the-other, whereas everything Nero has to offer is for the most part at the forefront of his character, and he's a really heavy hitter so long as you use him right. His Red Queen Combos are insane so long as you properly utilize Exceed, and Gerbera or Tomboy. Blue Rose is most effective with Gerbera because it is effectively Nero's Trickster.
@@waltermalone216 Dude you totally over thought this.
you're quite underselling Nero here
He have devil breakers and each breakers have 3 set of movement. Not too mention the exceed system ramp up Nero's gameplay.
DMC Devil May Cry was pretty fun in my opinion. Never even payed any attention to the story.
It's fun, but basic
Nero has more than two weapons they’re called devil breakers
Fealcu xd they also happen to essentially replacement for devil arms which increases the move set and depth of using Nero as a character. Yet somehow people think he’s boring lol
Nero is more boring than Dante, but hes a pleasant enough change of pace. Also doesnt hurt my hands so thats a huge plus
The people who think Nero is boring either
A) Only care about Dante, which is fine but still..
B) Have never once tapped the button for Exceed at any point in time ever.
Fealcu xd and blue rose :D
I think you're really underselling Nero in this video. I understand you may not like him as much as Dante but you could've mentioned his exceed cause that really changes a lot in Nero's gameplay/combos. Great video though ;)
11:02 Dante have 5 melee weapons at any given time*
Imagine disliking Nero because you’re so bad you can’t press l2 after an attack
imagine the sum of your combat depth being "the move you normally do but this time its moderately better"
@@brosephnoonan223 so we're gonna ignore the fact he has a better devil trigger in 4 than dante?
@@kdash3760 it's literally just bringer improvements and be able to mash X but yeah ok
@@brosephnoonan223 you right. Showdown, maximum bet, summoned swords, and invulnerability frames on activation don't exist.
@@kdash3760 lmaooo, yeah man no bringer knuckle, no calibur, no payline, just mashing x
Just got DMC 5, so a bit late with this, but I found V the most interesting to play. Using Shadow and Griffon simultaneously from a distance was a blast. Nightmare was a great DT too, especially riding on him and still dishing out damage with the other two. Just and overall fun character. I'd love a return to that style in DMC 6, maybe with different enemies as summons.
Honestly i would like a prequel in the future that focuses on Sprada rather than focusing on Nero.
Why not both? Nero is a hero like his grandpa and during Dante's life in the human world he is paid to kill not just demons but some humans doesn't sound like a hero thing to do but more like an anti-hero thing to do
both Dante and Vergil are anti-heros because Vergil controls the underworld and Dante controls a person or demons fate in the human world depending on how much he's getting paid and Nero is an awfully generous character he offered his dad just walking towards him with malicious intent something to eat because he cared about everyone not having enough food in their lives or maybe none at all he doesn't want to people around him and who follow him to feel as lonely and invisible to others as he did as an orphan and that is why Nero is Sparda's humanity.
I don't know I really like nero and thought he was fun to play.
Seyo Yanura same I liked playing all his missions
I REALLY want Dante to fight a giant spider just to hear him say "haha looking hot"
specifically william blake relatable dude
V is better character than Vergil.
_"So it is written."_
I actually liked playing Nero the most in DMC5. Between the Punchline, and Helter Skelter and crazy shit like riding your arm just felt so insane to me. Dante was cool, but I wish I could play as Nero more
Damn man I fucking love Nero, I think he's become a character with so much more nuance in terms of personality to Dante and his DT is fucking sick, it's not just generic stat boost it'a a really cool mechanic that adds extra hits and animations to already fucking sick attacks - not to mention the exceed mechanic is cool af. Genuinely so excited to see him develope if they decide to make a 6th DMC, honestly my favourite character in DMC and I've been playing since 3.
My review of DMC 4, DMC, and DMC 5
DMC 4: HOLY SHIT THIS FIRE SWORD IS FUKING SWEET
DMC: eh, it’s ok I guess
DMC 5: it’s BEAUTIFUL 😭
"What more do you want?"
I want my goofy guitar and dope spike-generating stupid rose wing thing back.
doesnt the die land on the number on the top side when you hit it? or is that a SE addition
In defense of de dice game, you can actually choose the number you want
When DmC Devil May Cry came out. Nobody ever said 'bwaah? Wheres Nero?' Because nobody cares if he suddenly stops existing, Reboot or otherwise. I dont dislike nero at all. I actually really enjoy his moveset, but i wouldnt care if he were gone from the series so long as Dante stays with us.
No asked where Nero was because he wasn't born yet. Especially since everyone knows that it's a reboot about the beginning of Dante's journey, how he met Vergil, and how their rivalry started.
@@skydemon52 youre missing my point but i do seewhere youre coming from
No one said 'bwaah' wheres nero because a lot of people were already disgusted by the initial interpretation of dante during the reveal.
Why the hell would we want to add nero into that mix of garbage? The game wasn't even canon; But when DMC5 revealed and everyone realized nero was coming back, guess what? People were shouting out their damn lungs and giddy as all hell. Whatever narrative you're trying to push, it's false.
People like Nero, and they certainly would care about his return.
I love that megaman command mission music at the end gotta say legit thought I was the only one to play that shit also I LOVE YOU SPIDER!!!!!
Good shit playing that song bro!
One thing I've come to notice of Nero's character is that especially in 4 he is like a shonen delinquent MC. He is rebellious against authority and is quick to temper. The characters he remind me of are Yusuke Urameshi from Yu Yu Hakusho and most recently Ryuji from Persona 5. Also has a background similar to single parent/orphans in Japanese media. This IMO seperates Nero from Dante and Vergil.
1. Neros exceed gives him new combos
2. You can press L3 to let the game guide you to your destination
3. I hate the video because you don't understand some of the game mechanics
1. Exceed doesn't really add much in term of combos, just a few variations to his attacks (and damage)
2. Level designers should strive to guide you through the level so you're not lost. That mechanic itself is something you shouldn't need. (do notice the criticism in the video very specifically mentions how the environments look too similar and lack that visual information)
3. I don't think that's really the case. You probably just disagree with his takes.
@@Rafael-rn6hn not a few, 6 variations. It also boosts your style.
DMC 5 can do without the guide. The guide is just for dumb people like this guy making the video.
His take is an uninformed take. As someone who has beaten the hardest difficult and invested in hundreds of hours, I can tell he is wrong.
idonotmakevidsyet ah yes all those hundreds of hours are put to the test in a youtube comment section . great job lol
@@idonotmakevidsyet As someone else who has beaten the hardest difficult, got plat on ps4 and sunk hundreds of hours in, it's clear Kbash doesn't fully appreciate or realise the extend of Nero's combos, but his critique of the level design is perfectly understandable.
I think you've just got it in your head he hates the game and are going on the fanboy defensive, when he quite clearly recommenced it and obviously thinks it's worth everyone's time. Nothing wrong with preferring Dante over Nero, and if you're forced to play a character you don't want to, it makes total sense he didn't learn all the nuances.
@@4958Hammie where did I say he hates the game?
Nero is fully realized in DMC5 as an absolute monster.
I loved the game ❤️
Anyone interested in playing DmC, get the definitive edition. Has a lot changes to it that makes it way better. Three of the biggest changes are 60 fps on consoles, devil trigger doesn't make enemies fly when hardcore mode is toggled on and you can hurt colour coded enemies with every weapon (but can only be staggered with the weapons they match with).
Though note, the game crashes 1 out of 20 times. Also it's only available on ps4 and xbox one
Nero ain't bad, Johnny does a hell of a good job.
K bash I love your vids dude but I’m sorry if you don’t even think endgame Nero is worth your time I’m sorry to inform you that you’ve got a bad case of blind fanboyism, you’re not utilizing Nero’s nuanced mechanics and yet you’re writing him off as unfinished ( specifically talking about 5)
yeah this dude tripping, nero is so cool and he fits the story perfectly and aids a breath of fresh air, his devil arms add a risk?reward system
@@PapiDooke Breathe of fresh air ? Lol what? Boys been in two games already.
End game nero is still no where close to Dante but he is very fun
RaginDXDemon
This is his second game appearance
And breath of fresh air doesn’t have to correlate to a brand new character
Jason Samuel
I was never arguing that
"DmC: devil may cry is a critically and *COMMERCIALLY* successful reboot..."
Pretty sure it undersold DMC4, which was like, half a game at the time (nowadays it 7/10 a game). Otherwise, good vid.
I'm pretty sure he was joking lol Didn't the DMC HD collection sell more than DMC Reboot as well?
DMC4 is the ONLY DMC game that outsold DmC.
@@KaiDecadence no, it didn't
Sora744 THANK YOU.
These people hate so hard they don’t even bother fact checking.
DMC4's budget and production time were cut in half.
Hey how about your opinion on asura wrath and metal gear rising revengence.
Please note that revengence might be misspelled my fault
those dice thing you can always land what you want there actually
Having an out for a boring section of the game doesn't justify its existence.
@@MrCrowley2474 Its pretty obvious what you're supposed to do
@@silkworm2595 Cool. Good for you. Did that make the section good? No? Then who cares? That part still takes forever, and it's also the last thing you do in the entire game aside from the Sanctus boss fight. It's game padding at its worst in an already really short game.
@@MrCrowley2474 whoever assumes the dice is random and wastes loads of time will care
@@silkworm2595 Gee, why would anyone assume a DICE GAME is random?
Nero is my personal favourite character, of course I love Dante and vergil but yea nero takes the cake for me🤷♂️
Dante is exactly what I thought the ideal guy should be like in middle school
DMC5 is so good, there’s barely a reason to go back to 4
I love Nero but Vergil and Dante are legit the best part of Devil May Cry
Dante better stay in the game, if they’re making new ones
well hes not
@@rileyschmidt8753 😞
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Even with my differing opinion, I find ya funny and likeable. Subscribed
Well said man, been a fan of this series since the first game. Even 2 (although it doesn't exist) You just got yourself a sub.
Everybody loves to hate on Nero but without him there wouldn't even be a series anymore. DMC wouldn't be around anymore if they just tried to make DMC3 again. It would be way stale by now.
Which is why DMC 4 was so well received right compared to 3? God of War and many other franchises have demonstrated that with the right writing and gameplay choices the main character everyone is used to, will go very well. A new face doesnt automatically mean it will be good.
@@UnifiedEntity God of War was never in any danger of being cancelled. It kept sales high with edgy ultra violence then waited out the market and cashed in on the "cinematic experience" genre.
The story is never was made DMC popular, we're at DMC5 and the main conflict is still Vergil trying to beat Dante. The best thing of the series is the gameplay. I didn't say adding a new character for a fresh face automatically makes something good, I'm specifically talking about this series. New character means new gameplay. Another chance for the team to add something they're good at to the series, and they did.
DMC4 sold just as well as DMC3, the only people that complained are people that don't appreciate the difference between a hack and slash and a character action game.
@@Ultimaniacx4 No, people who complained about DMC4 are tge people who felt that it was an unfinished game. Which it was. DMC 4 kay cool, new character Nero on the scene.....but then in comes Dante with not one, not two, but all styles at his disposal. Completely changes the mold of his play style potential. DMC 5, a lot of his weapons have different modes with button combinations. There's your new gameplay. Its just called new weapons and move sets. Its not like they added Dante completely the same in every game. Also pretty sure reason why people want them around so much is because of how they are in the story. And from the gameplay shorts before this games release people were READY for this game because of Dante and the motorcycle then returning weapons like Cerberus.
@@UnifiedEntity Okay, i got off topic. I should change that to my original point, the only people that complained about Nero are people that don't appreciate the difference. Also maybe people who don't like a character unless they're either super jokey or "movie dramatic". But Character Action is a niche genre, Dante's changes aren't appreciated by the general audience, all those people that play it like a button mashing hack and slash, which is why they needed a new character to go with new gameplay. Again, the series was on it's way out the door. It wasn't showing the growth Capcom wanted. For better or worse Nero got people talking about the game. If he wasn't there the consensus for DMC4 by general media would've been "more of the same with a couple of changes" and it wouldn't have sold as much. Even staying consistent wasn't good enough for Capcom, it's why they rebooted it.
@@Ultimaniacx4 When was Devil May cry going out the door after prior to DMC 3? Cause last I checked that was a huge success for Capcom. Nero's first game, didnt really reinvigorate any substantial growth cap com wanted as you said. Nero didnt do it. Which is why we got that damn Reboot. Only thing DMC4 did that helped was bringing in more more Surrounding Vergil and setting up DMC5 to take it from there while fixing it mistakes.
I played DMC4 in an MWR in Iraq and thought it was okay. Back then there was less content and characters. I laughed when a website gave it a “padded bra” award for its backtracking.
Song Name at 16:28?
Meh, to DMC4:
Nero - easy to learn, hard to master (you know what exceed is, right?)
Dante - hard to learn, fingers break while mastering it.
Nero is especially all about timing. If you are good you can deal more damage in less time than Dante, but he is less agile than Dante, so you need to know what you're doing. No trickster to save your ass and you need to commit to your attacks. Nero is slower, more clumsy and leaves more room open to be hit than Dante (for instance if you miss your max-ex-streak there are at least 3 seconds where you can be hit without really doing something against it).
That said..
Oh boy. Sure it is no dante, but knowing what your devil arm can do.. Right timing and DT active you can just counter charge attacks from bosses, which you think it wouldn't work.
Knowing which animation will be triggered with which enemy is needed because you can use some enemies as projectiles..
Charchigen Blue Rose, using DT, stunning the enemy, so you can easily combo.
What I'm trying to say is: sure Nero has fewer moves than Dante, but you can really combo the shit out of this moveset and make maximum damage, but that requires skill and knowledge of the game...
p.s it is really neat so see the skill of Dante and Nero in gameplay terms. As fighter Nero makes a lot of mistakes and loses his balances very often. Dante on other hand... Dante dances...
Psst hey did you know you can enhance Nero moves. If your gonna make a devil may cry video make sure you know what your doing.
Sorry dude but your hate on Nero is just annoying we get that you like Dante but it seems like you don’t give a shit about the other characters who are cool and interesting in their own way I mean V is honestly one of my favorite characters in the series. It seems to me that you don’t like the other characters because you don’t know how to use them properly. I love Dante but his time as the face of the series has come and gone and honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if in dmc 7 he’s not a playable character seeing as how Nero is the new face of the series and rightfully so. Nero is his own character who’s gone through major character development unlike Dante who hasn’t had any since 3. Plus how are you gonna say Nero has just two weapons he has multiple different devil breakers which in total give him more weapons than Dante. I mean dood did you use EX ACT or Blue rose, or his devil trigger moves like Showdown or Maximum Bet. He may not be as in depth as Dante but he’s definitely a lot closer. I usually like your vids but this one was admittedly frustrating to watch. I don’t mean this message as a sign of hate just my take on the video.
God forbid he has an opinion on a character. They don't fit his play style, thats what it seems to look like. And Dante hasn't had a change in character since 3? Um did you play DMC5? And he was shafted in 4, what in the hell could they do in a unfinished game to give him development and then a reboot that completely did his character different? "His own character" my friend, Nero with his attitude and smug comments was a dollar store ripoff of DMC 3 Dante. Only change is he was more of a crybaby hothead.
RaginDXDemon it just seems to me that he didn’t actually put in the time to learn Nero or any of his different systems. Like I said above he’s fine to have his own opinion. And if anyone had the most character development in 5 it was Vergil. In 4 Nero was admittedly a lot like dmc 3 Dante however Nero’s motive in 4 is different and he isn’t an asshole to everyone like dmc 3 Dante was. I feel like 5 had fleshed his personality a lot more in this regard as he’s more mature due to his partner being a goofball causing him to be more serious than he was in 4. Like I said he’s fine to like whatever character wants my only problem is when he claims something and doesn’t take the effort to actually learn about it
DMC4 was my first DMC game too. I loved it so much and played 1-3 on remaster.
DMC may have gotten away, but I *still* can't find KBash's beard!! Where did it go?? D:
Nero has a stand.
I think you're misunderstanding what "the end of the sons of Sparta" means. It doesn't mean that Dante is going away it just means that the Dante vs Vergil story is over. At the end of the game the two brother seem to be a "peace" and working together, gotten over their pass.
Nero is actually really fun to play as in DMC5 once you unlock his full toolkit. While not quite as complex as Dante, he's still a blast to play and now I actually look forward to the Nero levels unlike in 4.
I feel like this might need a retake after you make an effort to get a firm handle on V, and Nero. I don't expect you to like them, but don't cut them short because of your biases for Dante. Might also wanna clip out that end part. Because they did. They did a fantastic job.
EXCEEEED REEEEEEEE
*1:* you can remap the buttons in 5 so that you don't have the problems of handcramps when playing other characters like V. *2:* DMC 4 was cut short in the developement time and originally dante wasn't supposed to be playable. atleast not at the halfway point. maybe as postgame content like with Trish in DMC2. *3:* what Nero lacks in devil arm variety and style switching he more than makes up for in the devil breakers and it kinda sounds like you weren't utilizing those enough. not to mention Nero as a character is just as interesting and fun loving as dante, his initial game just gave a bad first impression.
> I don't hate Nero
> Dante Dante Dante
they should make a devil may cry game focused on Sparda himself.
Nero doesn't outshine Dante and that's a good thing. He's definitely his own character with his own sense of style and gameplay and I feel like that doesn't get enough credit considering the over abundance of wacky over the top moments and gameplay Dante has.
Nice video overall although your Nero discontent was almost painful to watch. lol. I have to disagree with your stance on him.
taekwondo and capoeira mixed together or separated like he is a master as both. That is the most interesting thing I have ever seen. Good video BTW.
Exceed *cough cough*
Devil breakers *cough cough*
The main problem with Nero is that you do not know how to play as Nero.😑
I really got troubled playing with Nero in DMC4 cause it was the first time playing a DMC game for me, so when they changed to dante re playing all of the levels again, i actually got better at the maps, and it made me wanna play the game another 5 more times
Honestly. I'm really happy with DMC5. I'm just worried about the future of the series. Dante as a character is done, but god forbid they make a game without him, so they'll keep him around, which is problematic. I'm worried Nero is never going to get his own game like he deserves.
i sort of expect him to stay as a mentor character and maybe be treated as an extra playable character with a less focused story, like vergil in 4SE. i doubt theyll ever 100% get rid of dante, dude's too iconic, and they realized that mistake with DmC especially
I really hope Nero and Niko get their own game eventually. Hated Nero in the beginning but by the end of 4 he grew on me.
If they can find a way to fit all of Nero's new moves onto one control scheme then there's no reason to keep him as the main "beginner" character.
Separate campaigns. All selectable at all times.
@Aria What else could they do with Dante to continue his story? He's gotten revenge for his family by sealing Mundus, surpassed his father, reconciled with his mother through Trish and made amends with his brother. His character arc is done.
But the die always ends on the same face it shows when you hit it, the entire board&die section is 100% controllable. It lets you choose if you need to fight some dudes for orbs or go straight for the end.
Had no idea you could do a swing like a bat in dmc5 how the fuck, what about the tthnder charge how do u do those moves? I dont see em in the skill list
Thank you for calling out DmC for it's pretentiousness.
I gotta agree with the rest. No Nero isn't as good as Dante but you're really missing a large chunk of how he operates without exceed and the occasional color up. V is some bullshit though, the way he commands shadow is lousy, and getting triple S is far too easy, as if capcom is compensating for a half baked character
Hindquarterz yeah I want to beat all the difficulties just so I can skip all the V levels.
theres a trick with the dice game, whatever number is on top of the dice and you buster arm it the dice will always roll whatever was on top. say theres a 4 on top and you hit it youll roll a 4
Great retrospective man!
"Waaah Nero is bad because he doesnt have 30 different weapons and 12 different styles and doesn't subsist off pizza and poooooverty his arm is cool tho give Dante the cool arm"
"Waaah V is bad because he doesnt dooooooo anything eeeeever and he only has 2 duuuudes and I wanna drink piiiiizza"
"Dante's the beeeeest since he inhales pizza and doesnt afraid of anything look at all these weapons I can fill with pizza now"
It's almost as if Nero is a character focused more on capitalizing on the rhythm of combat, with counters built directly into his play style that, when combined with exceed, help extend his limited move-set to make up for the lack of variety in 4, with that variety nullified in 5 with devil breakers.
It's almost like V's gameplay was inspired by fighting game meter management, so if combat is slow it's directly a result of the player not understanding they're not supposed to be hoarding their purple bars.
" I don't like Nero because he's not Dante or Virgil!" That's the point! How petty can you be!?
Remember when capcom cut dmc4’s development time in half and that’s why you have to play the game backwards with Dante?
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