Bringing back primis is like digging up a dead relative because you want to see them again. Stupid as hell. Go to their grave, leave a rose, and appreciate the experience they left on our world, do not dig them back up.
We are so fucked.... People have their standards so low that they want to be coddled and go back. Never ask zombies fans what they want, because you'll never make them happy no matter what you do.
@@gaminghistory8945 I don't like to consider myself in any community because more often than not, the community never reflects my views perfectly. I want to be a fan of zombies independently of the thoughts of what other fans of zombies think.
@anglespoggle that's why I said fans, not community. The community is a mess. Fans are independent but still have complaints that are similar to the broad community. Fans can have other opinions too.
Thank you for making this I made a comment about this, in one of Mrwaffles poll regarding this. We should leave the Primis alone, and if they have to bring a crew back it should be Victis or Chaos. The Victis crew were practically tools for Maxis, then Richtofen and lastly Nikolai. What did they get? Being forced inside the dark aether because of Primis. Meanwhile the chaos crew are still alive. Just in a cliffhanger. So they could bring them back pretty much no problem.
I really hope Treyarch does not bring back Primis and/or even Ultimis if they ever do. It would make those campfire moments in Tag der Untoten all for nothing as they hold a special place in my heart. LET THEM REST.
As soon as I heard the news I immediately thought this is just going to end really really bad because it makes what happened in Black ops 4 meaningless all the tears we cried for our characters finally able to rest and all of a sudden Activision is bringing them back if so Activision better find some way to make this legit and not just pull some magical BS to bring them back from the dead
I completely agree that Primis/Ultimis should not comeback, especially at this time it would be really bad and make it so stale. However, I would go to say that B03/B04 wasn’t really all for nothing. B03 did a really great job in the season explaining the original timeline, establishing the cycle, and basically just laying out everything we need to know about the story. B04 was installed to just wrap loose ends and wrap up the story as a whole with what they originally had planned, but had to then yield and come up with an alternative based on budget and lack of support. I’m completely fine with it being put to rest with B04, but having to bring the characters back into a whole new or extension of a story is a big no no.
Thank you, someone with a brain. The amount of people that labelled me “not a true zombies fan” for not wanting to see the old crew back is astounding. They’ll repeatedly say that the new characters are ass without ever saying why, it’s still their 1st fking map as a playable crew, and the story has gone in a very interesting direction. Random unrelated theory: I dont think the sentinel artifact and prima materia will play a role in this story. It feels like a red herring more than anything. Think about it, sam already has richtofen captured, and she’s shown a clear interest in our crew for whatever reason (when strauss 1st contacts sam, the 1st thing she asks after confirming his identity is “are the others with you?”). The cutscene already has alot of parallels to the state of the zombies community . In this instance, strauss’ reaction is the OGs “wtf is this shit, Im done”, grey is the newer players “give it a chance, this might be good”, and SAM is treyrach “The old story also had some convoluted BS, why is this an exception”. Considering all these things line up, wouldn’t SAM tricking the crew add up to treyarch basically setting us up for a plot twist by tricking us themselves?
okay i actually like this video man , also YES VICTUS CREW SHOULD COME BACK , mind you we were left confused on whether they were dead or just lost in the aether , and remembering that last voice recording we got from that one person from victus crew saying they were just trapped in time
Am glad you comment about takeo va since some may not know. I would love to have an ultimas and primius version of the victus crew. Where they similar to the original but have different outlook on things
I feel like if they make new versions of the characters for this new timeline, sure its goofy that its happened twice now, but it could be done without disrespecting everything that came before. But if they feel like they need to dig up the corpses of primis as they were and put them on display for the sake of flashy fanservice, undoing half the story and creating massive plotholes, yeah please just scrap that idea
They disrespected bo4 zombies ending. the reason why treyarch is gonna bring them back. is because they are out of ideas. I have a idea just make a cool new zombie crew. is it so hard to make a cool new zombie crew?
I'll be pissed if Primis comes back. It'll defeat the entire purpose of their journey in Black Ops 4 and their death in Tag Der Toten. If this comes out to be true, then I guess Weaver, Grey, Carver, Maya, Strauss and Peck are just fodder characters until Black Ops 7. Even if they died in MWZ, I still want to see them have actual purpose. I am invested to see what these new characters are going to bring to the table, not to eventually have Primis come back to pointless nostalgia even though they're fucking dead. I'd take Victis a million times over Primis.
ALTHOUGH, I wouldn't mind re-telling their stories. Like an old Richthofen telling his children the story of primis, ultimis and victis by the campfire. But ofc, I would want the remasters to be faithful to the originals
The old timeline will always have a special place in my heart, but I see it as a failed relationship, although you loved them very much, you dont go back a second time, there is no need to bring them back
The only way I can see them bringing back Primis which won’t ruin the story is if this supposedly old version of them are from the universe Samantha and Eddie walked into or if the children version of them also walked into the new universe
The problem with the children versions is that it can't even be them since they and the Shadowman were killed off together when the multiverse collapsed. Plus, with us following the final timeline, child Nikolai wouldn't exist either, so he's out of the picture immediately.
Stellar Video my guy, intro was fire asf and the transitions from the character quotes to your points is also amazing. One of your best videos yet imo, it would be cool to see the old crew as just an operator skin without any impact on the dark aether story; but that can’t really work with takeo’s VA having a stroke and as you said “We don’t want anyone else voicing takeo.” I also agree that we should bring back Victis but I feel like they’re definitely dead by this point, maybe we could have them as some amalgamated flesh monster boss fight. Anyways sorry if my grammar isn’t that great and I hope that you have a good day, night or afternoon.
Their purpose should still be higher than to bring us cheap nostalgia. You could replace them with cdc operators at that point, and it would be the same. I want a higher purpose with this crew. And we only saw Grey and Weaver dead if I'm not mistaken. We still don't know Carver or mayas fate.
@@no_name_here9007I think Carver’s shown in the cast of “zombified” corpses that swarm Jansen during a later story mission (with the BO6 beanie). No idea what happens to Maya though.
@@no_name_here9007 well bro it does tie into the lore and where its going so we gotta know it a little. I'd like them to subvert the future in future ee's and keep the ex requiem squad alive by them getting the kronorium or whatever it will be in this new universe. MWZ was garbage but i watched a little lore recap and its not much but it does setup blops 6.
I don't usually pay attention to leaks, but seeing this video show up among bunch of others for me to watch, was curious what they hell it was about. It's not even just a habit of going back on stuff they've done, but like, the endings of the older games were just, iffy. BO4 finally managed to wrap up aether in a way that, while not amazing, felt rather pleasant after all these years. We have Eddie and Samantha all grown up, we do not need Edward and the whole original crew back. They are fan favourites, but they are making a solid story and also new interesting characters as well. You can nostalgia bait in other ways. Like aside from the Ray Gun, quite a few old wonder weapons have returned in recent games. Let the old story and characters rest. Let the fans move on, a lot of players new and old are interested in the new characters, stories, maps. I can't imagine the diehard oldschool fans are as big a portion of the fans and player base in general.
It's why I did it in this format. Slapping gameplay over me talking is not the way I wanted to go ab it. Especially because everyone else just did that. This is something I really care ab. It's why I put so much effort into this video, especially. I want people to watch this. And really think. And to experience the messages and story beats again within this video to help reinforce the point I'm trying to make.
Let Primis stay dead, they earned their rest (even though Tag der Toten’s ending was *absolutely* dog water). The Dark Aether storyline should stand on its own merits, and it’s been doing a decent job so far.
Stellar editing, and an opinion i can agree with. We already spent so much time with the og crew. And while i love them, i don't want said love to fade by having them overstay their welcome. I want something new, and the new that they're giving us I'm enjoying. If they want other crews to come back, i would rather Victus, or even the chaos crew. Or just have a consistent new crew. I hope that rumor is false
As soon as i heard primis might be coming back i knew this game was gonna sell out to the sheeple. No lore reason for them to come back. If we get them in this universe how are they coming together without the elemental shard tying their souls together? If they do it organically it would be fine, but theres no way they can with what Primis/Ultimis means to the players and with how they finished blops 4.
I would rather see the primes characters return but in a operator bundles ik it’s a hot take but I would not want to see them return next year in the story
The thing is.... if they bring primis and or ultimus back. With the new way how cod is. People wont be happy. They are gonna think that bringing back primis/ultimus will give us BO3 2.0 And that is NOT happening. So people are still gonna be mad about next cod. Mark my words
Shadow from Sonic Adventure 2 was supposed to stay dead and not come back, so look where Sega took him after they saw the money marching home. Treyarch is very much doing the same thing with these guys, so it honestly does not surprise me one bit and neither do I even take the story's canon seriously. If they themselves don't, then why should we? And especially not since it has been a retcon over retcon even as far back as Der Riese from World at War.
U have also got to remember the children version of the group that’s what what there doing honestly I think it’s a good idea Plus bringing them back with Samantha all grown up that will be the icing on the cake for that storyline so they get to fight by Samantha
As much as I’d love to see Primis and/or Ultimis to come back, it’d be a bit of a slap to the face if they brought them back. This is pure desperation from Treyarch if this is true. If they’re the same people we knew them as..
Of all the crews to bring back Primis/Ultimis really make no sense whatsoever, now if they really want to bring back an old crew for nostalgia (they shouldn't though, they should just develop the Requiem Heads) then they should bring back Victus, like you said, or even the Chaos cast as they got the shaft, still have story left to tell as of Ancient Evil's cliffhanger ending with Alistair and the Order siding together, and they didn't get the closure they deserved. Bringing back Richtofen, Dempsey, Nikolai and Takeo would be such a slap in the face to not only Tom Kane's Takeo but also just the near perfect ending of Tag Der Toten.
It’s like desecrating a corpse, this is not going to go well. I have no idea why Milo is so excited for this happening, it would mean all that pain was for nothing.
It’s sad that this might be true just because the story from the ending of Terminus bringing in an otherwise dead story line (won’t name it for spoiler reasons) is such a good idea, and honestly can fit very well with the current timeline if pulled off correctly. They could even have a way of having different multiverses within zombies that all orbit each other. That way MWZ (and whatever its continuation is) can be in a parallel universe that’s all connected via the dark ether. That ending cutscene btw, I could’ve never imagined it going that way in a million years, but hey. That storyline had some of the most gorgeous maps ever created for zombies and if he get even just a small bite of that mixed with this dark ether esthetic, I think it’ll be some of the best zombies we’ll ever play. Edit: didn’t realize you said the storyline in the video, my bad. Yes, I’m referring to the Chaos Storyline.
They should try and do the following: DO Continue the story with the new set crew of BO6 (weaver, carver, maya and grey) and have them be the focus point of this game and maybe bring back something like a younger version of victus or new characters celeb cast like in the original games, but still be able to tie them into the story. Or even the chaos crew for crying out loud. DO NOT bring back Primis or Ultimus because that will just make every event that takes place before it not even matter in the slightest. Unless.. I wouldn’t be opposed if they did bring them back and they were completely different and alternate versions of them plus Eddie. Not Primus or Ultimus, a new modern version of the crew w the same VAs. Unfortunately idk if that’s possible with Takeos VA retired, but we’ll just see how it turns out. I’m happy with the crew we have now tbh
Facts activision forcing the Tag ending never felt good , it was the best ending they could’ve gone with because of the circumstances but in no way did it make sense in terms of the story and what bo4 tried to build up to
But it comes at the cost of creating bad habits. What if we get a good ending you personally perceive as good. And they just undo it to rehash the characters AGAIN. Wouldn't that make you upset?
@@no_name_here9007 To be honest as a zombies fan who followed the zombies storyline since bo1. It was sort of pro and con for me if the characters should be brought back or not. But after the tag ending it really made me upset and dissatisfied the way they ended the characters. I felt like there sacrificed should have been more emotional like richtofens death in botd, an end off to a decade storyline. And if Treyarch wants to bring the characters back, I hope they bring them back sort of like the mcu. Where we have beloved marvel characters having different origins but the same concept and we can get a proper send off. Some people might not like that concept but it gives a fresh new way to bring them back. Sort of like Richtofens new origin in Cold War.
Honestly I see this as nostalgia bait specifically for the Black ops 3 meat riders sadly for them they're going to be disappointed for the millions time in a row
Bringing back primos instead of developing the set Requiem crew would backfire so hard it'd prolly just end up hurting more help. HOWEVER, I don't think people would mind as much if Primis were legacy npc characters that just kind of showed up, had a cutscene, and then fucked off into the sunset. We'll just have to see how they approach this, because if I'm honest, I actually quite like the Requiem cast. The only people they MIGHT please with bringing back Primis are the people so set in their opinions that they're not open to change.
I wouldn't mind the old crew coming back because i want them to get a better ending they actually deserve and fully earned with all they've done/been through. That being said however, i DON'T want them to be a main cast if they do come back. The newer cast has so much potential, they deserve more time in the spotlight. Also peck/weaver but ESPECIALLY peck are hot af. 10/10 would smash.
I genuinely hope they do not bring back Primis. With Cold War Zombies onwards, they're trying their best with the new characters and story that they have set up. Bringing back Primis would just straight up show that they no longer have faith in their new things and storywriting. It would be a genuine shame if they actually go through with it.
Doubling down on the fact that they can’t do Primis without Tom Kane. They COULD, but Tom Kane’s voice IS Takeo. And Primis Takeo was my favorite from that crew. It just wouldn’t feel right.
The only way i will be ok with this is if dempsey, takeo and nikolai are basically this universes equivalents to them and not literally them from the old aether story, cause at that point they can basically be new characters that just happen to be connected to old ones, still wouldnt really like it but, yknow, better then just beinging primis back for no damn reason Also please for the love of god dont have these fuckers side line the requiem crew, and dont have them side line chaos a SECOND time
"primis but older" that sounds to me like its just not primis, I think if they come back they'll probably be a sort of alternate universe version of ultimis sort of how "the director" richtofen is just a different person
We can't bring back primis because the takeo guy can't do voice anymore. Also we complain about treyarch undoing the story ? But not about them undoing gameplay (cough cough cold war and onwards) ?
That video of the primis crew all saying goodbye to us would basically mean nothing let them rest there’s no reason to have them tbh other then them selling operator bundles which they’ll do most likely they should bring chaos back b continue that story tbh we left on a cliff hanger
If they wanted to remake older maps in the new style, fine, they wanna bring in Primis as non canon bundles, fine, but they need to quit fucking with the story, especially since with BO6, people are starting to give a shit about the Aether story
I really do not want to see ultimis or primis back, let them go. We as a community do not need to go back to things that have been laid to rest. If this goes through, im blaming the bo3 die hard fans and treyarch and activision.
If they do it. I would prefer it just be as operators. Dont directly tie them into the story. Thats just my opinion because yes i would love to play them in zombies but their story is over in my opinion
Is Activision using money made from Gamepass subscriptions for new title: Call of Duty 21: Beating a Dead Horse 6 wisely, or should they invest that money into something similar to a horse instead like donkeys, or zebras to revitelize the game series like they did in Call of Duty 11: Beating a Dead Antelope?
I gurantee a lot of players are gonna ask more questions about how they survive wich now treyarch are gonna have to answer and we all know the answer is not what we are gonna like
I legit have no connection to the WW1 characters at all, and I never cared for the story, just the gameplay. I understand how people care for the characters and story, but if I have to play 10 different maps from 3 different games to understand why I am shooting zombies, then it hurts the whole appeal and enjoyment for me.
Hey guys don't bash me for this, im not on either side i just think maybeeeee theyre bringing primis back to do what they couldn't with "the great war" maybe they're bringing all crews together for an actual great war....(Just a theory)
Cool video but why not wait to see how it plays out before casting judgement? People did the exact same thing with bo6 as a whole making videos before the game was even out or before they had played it calling it ass. I don't have the highest hopes for them bringing back primis mainly because of the fucked up dev cycle of the next cod game but who knows they could do it right
Bringing primis back ultimately is a bad decision, it feels more like spitting on Jason Blundell's work for the sake of a quick buck and this os coming from someone who is enjoying bo6 and loved how the story of bo4 ended. I want to see the development of richtophen and samantha in the dark aether story more along with weaver and strike team going to stop and put an end to what rictophen plans to do. Let the past rest and let the current story flow.
I don't think Gorod Krovi and Revelations were for nothing. They're still important events, just that it's a storyline that goes the way Monty wants. I was eager to see in BO4 how the hell they would break the cycle. I thought it was satisfying. Yes it does undo GK and rev, but it still happened in previous cycles.
I don't think it's prmis. I have a feeling this is a different set of characters, not primis or ultimus. I think this could work if they do it in the right way. Them coming back needs to make narrative sense and have major implications for the story. If they just bring them back for the sake of bringing them back, then i will be worried; however, it does add some more intrigue to the beginning cutscene in MWZ.
cod players are their own worst enemy, we are never going to get anything original again. we are going to get nothing but remakes and squeals for a long time.
"Let them rest" They were given one of the worst endings possible, killed off due to how poorly BO4 ended up. They deserve redemption, not the current state of how the zombies story is.
@Larsni99 I heavily disagree. These characters we have are actually fun. Weaver has some weird lines but I love his hatred towards not just richtofen but everyone in general except carver. Maya is pretty alr idrc ab her. Grey is good too. I like some of her lines. Carver is my favorite though 100 percent. He is like a more sane version of Russman. it's hilarious. We have only had this crew for 1 map. Give em a chance man. We got a whole game with this crew and I actually like them so far. They have a lot of potential. They even have unique character interactions with eachother that are cool. I specifically remember the one of carver and weaver talking ab how they don't trust peck and consider killing him the moment they got off the island. Shit like that is cool. Just give em a chance man. We just got them. Obviously, you are not gonna be attached to them on the spot. The same way everybody wasn't attached to primis on the spot because everybody thought "they were too serious."
@@no_name_here9007 that's your opinion and I have my opinion. and we have 2 maps with this crew. the reason I loved Richtofen and the gang is because of their insanely crazy voice lines. I don't hear anything like that in bo6 with the main crew, and I play a lot of zombies.
please just no. we need new characters and a story that actually moves forward. bringing them back would make every zombies since bo4 literally pointless🤦🏾
I won't accept primis unless they end this trash warzone zombies mode first. Bo6 is actual garbage, one of the worst in the series in its current state.
Nah your tripping hard. Bo6 as a game is a great cod. Zombies is what cw should have been and better on every way. Bo4 is also very good. Wish people would stop meat riding bo3
The bo3 cutscenes were the best. Dempsey goes out in his sleep and not in glory, Takeo comes to terms that his emperor betrayed him, Nikolai feeling emotion 1 last time before dying. And then bo4 said "none of that mattered"
Samantha: I thought you all died?
Primis: Well, we weren't in that campfire.
LITERALLY
Bringing back primis is like digging up a dead relative because you want to see them again. Stupid as hell. Go to their grave, leave a rose, and appreciate the experience they left on our world, do not dig them back up.
Damn that's actually really good that was really damn good
Nothing like that you idiot !!! Their computer game caricatures!! 😂😂😂😂😂
We are so fucked.... People have their standards so low that they want to be coddled and go back. Never ask zombies fans what they want, because you'll never make them happy no matter what you do.
@@gaminghistory8945 I don't like to consider myself in any community because more often than not, the community never reflects my views perfectly. I want to be a fan of zombies independently of the thoughts of what other fans of zombies think.
@anglespoggle that's why I said fans, not community. The community is a mess. Fans are independent but still have complaints that are similar to the broad community. Fans can have other opinions too.
Thank you for making this
I made a comment about this, in one of Mrwaffles poll regarding this.
We should leave the Primis alone, and if they have to bring a crew back it should be Victis or Chaos.
The Victis crew were practically tools for Maxis, then Richtofen and lastly Nikolai.
What did they get?
Being forced inside the dark aether because of Primis.
Meanwhile the chaos crew are still alive.
Just in a cliffhanger.
So they could bring them back pretty much no problem.
Activision: Am I really about to defile this grave for money?
AM COURSE I AM!
And I thought Activision wouldn't Go any lower
Damnit you beat me to it
@@AyeItsMe2 I know I wanted to make that joke as well but the guy above beat me to it
They wouldn't on this one, but people are whining constantly about wanting them back so blame them
@@SPECTRAL_ACE The moment they announced this I immediately blame the Black ops 3 meet riders
I really hope Treyarch does not bring back Primis and/or even Ultimis if they ever do. It would make those campfire moments in Tag der Untoten all for nothing as they hold a special place in my heart.
LET THEM REST.
As soon as I heard the news I immediately thought this is just going to end really really bad because it makes what happened in Black ops 4 meaningless all the tears we cried for our characters finally able to rest and all of a sudden Activision is bringing them back if so Activision better find some way to make this legit and not just pull some magical BS to bring them back from the dead
Like let our boys rest activation please
I completely agree that Primis/Ultimis should not comeback, especially at this time it would be really bad and make it so stale.
However, I would go to say that B03/B04 wasn’t really all for nothing. B03 did a really great job in the season explaining the original timeline, establishing the cycle, and basically just laying out everything we need to know about the story. B04 was installed to just wrap loose ends and wrap up the story as a whole with what they originally had planned, but had to then yield and come up with an alternative based on budget and lack of support.
I’m completely fine with it being put to rest with B04, but having to bring the characters back into a whole new or extension of a story is a big no no.
Thank you, someone with a brain. The amount of people that labelled me “not a true zombies fan” for not wanting to see the old crew back is astounding. They’ll repeatedly say that the new characters are ass without ever saying why, it’s still their 1st fking map as a playable crew, and the story has gone in a very interesting direction.
Random unrelated theory: I dont think the sentinel artifact and prima materia will play a role in this story. It feels like a red herring more than anything. Think about it, sam already has richtofen captured, and she’s shown a clear interest in our crew for whatever reason (when strauss 1st contacts sam, the 1st thing she asks after confirming his identity is “are the others with you?”).
The cutscene already has alot of parallels to the state of the zombies community . In this instance, strauss’ reaction is the OGs “wtf is this shit, Im done”, grey is the newer players “give it a chance, this might be good”, and SAM is treyrach “The old story also had some convoluted BS, why is this an exception”. Considering all these things line up, wouldn’t SAM tricking the crew add up to treyarch basically setting us up for a plot twist by tricking us themselves?
okay i actually like this video man , also YES VICTUS CREW SHOULD COME BACK , mind you we were left confused on whether they were dead or just lost in the aether , and remembering that last voice recording we got from that one person from victus crew saying they were just trapped in time
I saw someone theorize that the mystery person Panos is talking to on Liberty Falls is Stuhlinger. I see the truth in this and hope it to be the case.
@ yea stuhlinger was the person from the recording ! and also i’ve heard about that in liberty falls too
This is exactly what i first thought. Glad more people are thinking this
This is the same way mcu fans feel with bringing rdj back in the mcu instead of using there new heroes
Am glad you comment about takeo va since some may not know.
I would love to have an ultimas and primius version of the victus crew.
Where they similar to the original but have different outlook on things
I feel like if they make new versions of the characters for this new timeline, sure its goofy that its happened twice now, but it could be done without disrespecting everything that came before.
But if they feel like they need to dig up the corpses of primis as they were and put them on display for the sake of flashy fanservice, undoing half the story and creating massive plotholes, yeah please just scrap that idea
Please let them rest don't bring them back they have a legacy already keep it that way
They disrespected bo4 zombies ending. the reason why treyarch is gonna bring them back. is because they are out of ideas. I have a idea just make a cool new zombie crew. is it so hard to make a cool new zombie crew?
I'll be pissed if Primis comes back. It'll defeat the entire purpose of their journey in Black Ops 4 and their death in Tag Der Toten. If this comes out to be true, then I guess Weaver, Grey, Carver, Maya, Strauss and Peck are just fodder characters until Black Ops 7. Even if they died in MWZ, I still want to see them have actual purpose. I am invested to see what these new characters are going to bring to the table, not to eventually have Primis come back to pointless nostalgia even though they're fucking dead. I'd take Victis a million times over Primis.
ALTHOUGH, I wouldn't mind re-telling their stories. Like an old Richthofen telling his children the story of primis, ultimis and victis by the campfire. But ofc, I would want the remasters to be faithful to the originals
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The old timeline will always have a special place in my heart, but I see it as a failed relationship, although you loved them very much, you dont go back a second time, there is no need to bring them back
The only way I can see them bringing back Primis which won’t ruin the story is if this supposedly old version of them are from the universe Samantha and Eddie walked into or if the children version of them also walked into the new universe
The problem with the children versions is that it can't even be them since they and the Shadowman were killed off together when the multiverse collapsed. Plus, with us following the final timeline, child Nikolai wouldn't exist either, so he's out of the picture immediately.
@ I’m just saying if hypothetically Revelations still happened and they were able to defeat Dr. Monty and banish the multiverse to the dark aether
bo7: return of the oldheads
Stellar Video my guy, intro was fire asf and the transitions from the character quotes to your points is also amazing. One of your best videos yet imo, it would be cool to see the old crew as just an operator skin without any impact on the dark aether story; but that can’t really work with takeo’s VA having a stroke and as you said “We don’t want anyone else voicing takeo.” I also agree that we should bring back Victis but I feel like they’re definitely dead by this point, maybe we could have them as some amalgamated flesh monster boss fight. Anyways sorry if my grammar isn’t that great and I hope that you have a good day, night or afternoon.
I think that they need to sit around a table and eat hamburger and cheeseburgers as they work with fries
5:17 the crew dies after the events of bo6. We saw this in mw3 iirc
Their purpose should still be higher than to bring us cheap nostalgia. You could replace them with cdc operators at that point, and it would be the same. I want a higher purpose with this crew. And we only saw Grey and Weaver dead if I'm not mistaken. We still don't know Carver or mayas fate.
@@no_name_here9007I think Carver’s shown in the cast of “zombified” corpses that swarm Jansen during a later story mission (with the BO6 beanie). No idea what happens to Maya though.
@@bobthebuilder9509 idk. Catch me giving af ab mwz story 😭😭😭
@no_name_here9007 fr. Zombies story has been dead for a minute
@@no_name_here9007 well bro it does tie into the lore and where its going so we gotta know it a little. I'd like them to subvert the future in future ee's and keep the ex requiem squad alive by them getting the kronorium or whatever it will be in this new universe.
MWZ was garbage but i watched a little lore recap and its not much but it does setup blops 6.
Watch it just be an origins remaster.
You continue to be one of the very few Zombies RUclipsrs left who seem to have their head screwed on straight. Thank you.
I don't usually pay attention to leaks, but seeing this video show up among bunch of others for me to watch, was curious what they hell it was about. It's not even just a habit of going back on stuff they've done, but like, the endings of the older games were just, iffy. BO4 finally managed to wrap up aether in a way that, while not amazing, felt rather pleasant after all these years. We have Eddie and Samantha all grown up, we do not need Edward and the whole original crew back. They are fan favourites, but they are making a solid story and also new interesting characters as well. You can nostalgia bait in other ways. Like aside from the Ray Gun, quite a few old wonder weapons have returned in recent games. Let the old story and characters rest. Let the fans move on, a lot of players new and old are interested in the new characters, stories, maps. I can't imagine the diehard oldschool fans are as big a portion of the fans and player base in general.
It's why I did it in this format. Slapping gameplay over me talking is not the way I wanted to go ab it. Especially because everyone else just did that. This is something I really care ab. It's why I put so much effort into this video, especially. I want people to watch this. And really think. And to experience the messages and story beats again within this video to help reinforce the point I'm trying to make.
Let them rest please!
Let Primis stay dead, they earned their rest (even though Tag der Toten’s ending was *absolutely* dog water). The Dark Aether storyline should stand on its own merits, and it’s been doing a decent job so far.
I respect that. But I personally loved tags ending. I was balling my eyes out like a little girl 5 years ago. I will tell you that.
Stellar editing, and an opinion i can agree with. We already spent so much time with the og crew. And while i love them, i don't want said love to fade by having them overstay their welcome. I want something new, and the new that they're giving us I'm enjoying. If they want other crews to come back, i would rather Victus, or even the chaos crew. Or just have a consistent new crew. I hope that rumor is false
As soon as i heard primis might be coming back i knew this game was gonna sell out to the sheeple. No lore reason for them to come back. If we get them in this universe how are they coming together without the elemental shard tying their souls together? If they do it organically it would be fine, but theres no way they can with what Primis/Ultimis means to the players and with how they finished blops 4.
I would rather see the primes characters return but in a operator bundles ik it’s a hot take but I would not want to see them return next year in the story
The thing is.... if they bring primis and or ultimus back. With the new way how cod is. People wont be happy. They are gonna think that bringing back primis/ultimus will give us BO3 2.0
And that is NOT happening. So people are still gonna be mad about next cod. Mark my words
Shadow from Sonic Adventure 2 was supposed to stay dead and not come back, so look where Sega took him after they saw the money marching home.
Treyarch is very much doing the same thing with these guys, so it honestly does not surprise me one bit and neither do I even take the story's canon seriously. If they themselves don't, then why should we?
And especially not since it has been a retcon over retcon even as far back as Der Riese from World at War.
7:15 thanks just thank you. I love victis and having them come back would be a MUCH better decision.
U have also got to remember the children version of the group that’s what what there doing honestly I think it’s a good idea Plus bringing them back with Samantha all grown up that will be the icing on the cake for that storyline so they get to fight by Samantha
As much as I’d love to see Primis and/or Ultimis to come back, it’d be a bit of a slap to the face if they brought them back. This is pure desperation from Treyarch if this is true. If they’re the same people we knew them as..
Of all the crews to bring back Primis/Ultimis really make no sense whatsoever, now if they really want to bring back an old crew for nostalgia (they shouldn't though, they should just develop the Requiem Heads) then they should bring back Victus, like you said, or even the Chaos cast as they got the shaft, still have story left to tell as of Ancient Evil's cliffhanger ending with Alistair and the Order siding together, and they didn't get the closure they deserved.
Bringing back Richtofen, Dempsey, Nikolai and Takeo would be such a slap in the face to not only Tom Kane's Takeo but also just the near perfect ending of Tag Der Toten.
It’s like desecrating a corpse, this is not going to go well. I have no idea why Milo is so excited for this happening, it would mean all that pain was for nothing.
People in the comments being a bit dramatic its just a game
Exactly
LETS GOO MY GOAT UPLOADED A MASTERPIECE 🐐🔥
There's no way the BO3 bootlickers are gonna get what they want...
It’s sad that this might be true just because the story from the ending of Terminus bringing in an otherwise dead story line (won’t name it for spoiler reasons) is such a good idea, and honestly can fit very well with the current timeline if pulled off correctly. They could even have a way of having different multiverses within zombies that all orbit each other. That way MWZ (and whatever its continuation is) can be in a parallel universe that’s all connected via the dark ether.
That ending cutscene btw, I could’ve never imagined it going that way in a million years, but hey. That storyline had some of the most gorgeous maps ever created for zombies and if he get even just a small bite of that mixed with this dark ether esthetic, I think it’ll be some of the best zombies we’ll ever play.
Edit: didn’t realize you said the storyline in the video, my bad. Yes, I’m referring to the Chaos Storyline.
@@AtomicPuma9 ur good bro I appreciate you going out of your way to comment and leave your opinion!
They should try and do the following:
DO Continue the story with the new set crew of BO6 (weaver, carver, maya and grey) and have them be the focus point of this game and maybe bring back something like a younger version of victus or new characters celeb cast like in the original games, but still be able to tie them into the story. Or even the chaos crew for crying out loud.
DO NOT bring back Primis or Ultimus because that will just make every event that takes place before it not even matter in the slightest.
Unless.. I wouldn’t be opposed if they did bring them back and they were completely different and alternate versions of them plus Eddie. Not Primus or Ultimus, a new modern version of the crew w the same VAs.
Unfortunately idk if that’s possible with Takeos VA retired, but we’ll just see how it turns out. I’m happy with the crew we have now tbh
I’m happy they’re coming back. Hopefully they can get a proper ending.
Facts activision forcing the Tag ending never felt good , it was the best ending they could’ve gone with because of the circumstances but in no way did it make sense in terms of the story and what bo4 tried to build up to
But it comes at the cost of creating bad habits. What if we get a good ending you personally perceive as good. And they just undo it to rehash the characters AGAIN. Wouldn't that make you upset?
@@no_name_here9007 To be honest as a zombies fan who followed the zombies storyline since bo1. It was sort of pro and con for me if the characters should be brought back or not. But after the tag ending it really made me upset and dissatisfied the way they ended the characters. I felt like there sacrificed should have been more emotional like richtofens death in botd, an end off to a decade storyline.
And if Treyarch wants to bring the characters back, I hope they bring them back sort of like the mcu. Where we have beloved marvel characters having different origins but the same concept and we can get a proper send off.
Some people might not like that concept but it gives a fresh new way to bring them back. Sort of like Richtofens new origin in Cold War.
Honestly I see this as nostalgia bait specifically for the Black ops 3 meat riders sadly for them they're going to be disappointed for the millions time in a row
Bringing back primos instead of developing the set Requiem crew would backfire so hard it'd prolly just end up hurting more help. HOWEVER, I don't think people would mind as much if Primis were legacy npc characters that just kind of showed up, had a cutscene, and then fucked off into the sunset. We'll just have to see how they approach this, because if I'm honest, I actually quite like the Requiem cast. The only people they MIGHT please with bringing back Primis are the people so set in their opinions that they're not open to change.
I wouldn't mind the old crew coming back because i want them to get a better ending they actually deserve and fully earned with all they've done/been through. That being said however, i DON'T want them to be a main cast if they do come back. The newer cast has so much potential, they deserve more time in the spotlight.
Also peck/weaver but ESPECIALLY peck are hot af. 10/10 would smash.
I genuinely hope they do not bring back Primis. With Cold War Zombies onwards, they're trying their best with the new characters and story that they have set up. Bringing back Primis would just straight up show that they no longer have faith in their new things and storywriting. It would be a genuine shame if they actually go through with it.
Doubling down on the fact that they can’t do Primis without Tom Kane. They COULD, but Tom Kane’s voice IS Takeo. And Primis Takeo was my favorite from that crew. It just wouldn’t feel right.
The only way i will be ok with this is if dempsey, takeo and nikolai are basically this universes equivalents to them and not literally them from the old aether story, cause at that point they can basically be new characters that just happen to be connected to old ones, still wouldnt really like it but, yknow, better then just beinging primis back for no damn reason
Also please for the love of god dont have these fuckers side line the requiem crew, and dont have them side line chaos a SECOND time
"primis but older" that sounds to me like its just not primis, I think if they come back they'll probably be a sort of alternate universe version of ultimis sort of how "the director" richtofen is just a different person
We can't bring back primis because the takeo guy can't do voice anymore.
Also we complain about treyarch undoing the story ? But not about them undoing gameplay (cough cough cold war and onwards) ?
Amazing video. Nostolgia does get to me hard. But I just wished they did it better...😪🤷♂️😂☦️
Treyarch gonna ruin them 🙏😭 Also Tom Kane can’t even do his character anymore
It’s not that serious
@ I mean their writing has been on a steep decline
That video of the primis crew all saying goodbye to us would basically mean nothing let them rest there’s no reason to have them tbh other then them selling operator bundles which they’ll do most likely they should bring chaos back b continue that story tbh we left on a cliff hanger
In the Aether... anything is possible. But, I don't know about this 🤷♂️
If they wanted to remake older maps in the new style, fine, they wanna bring in Primis as non canon bundles, fine, but they need to quit fucking with the story, especially since with BO6, people are starting to give a shit about the Aether story
I really do not want to see ultimis or primis back, let them go. We as a community do not need to go back to things that have been laid to rest. If this goes through, im blaming the bo3 die hard fans and treyarch and activision.
They should just do a map with the old characters and actually make it good.
If they do it. I would prefer it just be as operators. Dont directly tie them into the story. Thats just my opinion because yes i would love to play them in zombies but their story is over in my opinion
Is Activision using money made from Gamepass subscriptions for new title: Call of Duty 21: Beating a Dead Horse 6 wisely, or should they invest that money into something similar to a horse instead like donkeys, or zebras to revitelize the game series like they did in Call of Duty 11: Beating a Dead Antelope?
I gurantee a lot of players are gonna ask more questions about how they survive wich now treyarch are gonna have to answer and we all know the answer is not what we are gonna like
I legit have no connection to the WW1 characters at all, and I never cared for the story, just the gameplay. I understand how people care for the characters and story, but if I have to play 10 different maps from 3 different games to understand why I am shooting zombies, then it hurts the whole appeal and enjoyment for me.
Nostalfags when they see that 4 characters returning will not take back the good times😢
Bruh
Hey guys don't bash me for this, im not on either side i just think maybeeeee theyre bringing primis back to do what they couldn't with "the great war" maybe they're bringing all crews together for an actual great war....(Just a theory)
Cool video but why not wait to see how it plays out before casting judgement? People did the exact same thing with bo6 as a whole making videos before the game was even out or before they had played it calling it ass. I don't have the highest hopes for them bringing back primis mainly because of the fucked up dev cycle of the next cod game but who knows they could do it right
Bringing primis back ultimately is a bad decision, it feels more like spitting on Jason Blundell's work for the sake of a quick buck and this os coming from someone who is enjoying bo6 and loved how the story of bo4 ended.
I want to see the development of richtophen and samantha in the dark aether story more along with weaver and strike team going to stop and put an end to what rictophen plans to do. Let the past rest and let the current story flow.
I don't think Gorod Krovi and Revelations were for nothing. They're still important events, just that it's a storyline that goes the way Monty wants. I was eager to see in BO4 how the hell they would break the cycle. I thought it was satisfying. Yes it does undo GK and rev, but it still happened in previous cycles.
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I don't think it's prmis. I have a feeling this is a different set of characters, not primis or ultimus. I think this could work if they do it in the right way. Them coming back needs to make narrative sense and have major implications for the story. If they just bring them back for the sake of bringing them back, then i will be worried; however, it does add some more intrigue to the beginning cutscene in MWZ.
I don’t mind them being back but I don’t want primis or ultimis. I’d rather see them not be a crew but be different character but similar
cod players are their own worst enemy, we are never going to get anything original again. we are going to get nothing but remakes and squeals for a long time.
You’ll be okay
Mrroflwaffles vs No_Names_Here for old crew to return or not to return
Don’t bring back Gabriel Kraft
Why?
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He’s boring and from vangarbage chaos coming back is cool but they should just scrap Vangarbage
@@doomjoltfromflordia4069 just because the gameplay is bad that means the character is bad? Yeah I can tell you're not very bright
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The character himself was very boring
The boring casuals who have never liked any other crew besides Ultimis/Primis are getting their wish granted lol
Yeah you don’t know what you’re talking about 🤦🏾♀️
@@Kix3333ee Found the person who won't let them rest
just do tranzit ffs
BRING EM BACK TREYARCH
"Let them rest"
They were given one of the worst endings possible, killed off due to how poorly BO4 ended up.
They deserve redemption, not the current state of how the zombies story is.
They should rest, I personally think they did perfectly for their ending
i think adding them back would be a good thing. the new characters are boring af in my opinion
Is that worth dampening the experience and what you actually remember ab these characters. I don't think so. It's a cop out. And it's disrespectful
@no_name_here9007 i dont care about the story of zombies. I just want characters that are actually fun. The new ones just doesnt fit in zombies
@Larsni99 I heavily disagree. These characters we have are actually fun. Weaver has some weird lines but I love his hatred towards not just richtofen but everyone in general except carver. Maya is pretty alr idrc ab her. Grey is good too. I like some of her lines. Carver is my favorite though 100 percent. He is like a more sane version of Russman. it's hilarious. We have only had this crew for 1 map. Give em a chance man. We got a whole game with this crew and I actually like them so far. They have a lot of potential. They even have unique character interactions with eachother that are cool. I specifically remember the one of carver and weaver talking ab how they don't trust peck and consider killing him the moment they got off the island. Shit like that is cool. Just give em a chance man. We just got them. Obviously, you are not gonna be attached to them on the spot. The same way everybody wasn't attached to primis on the spot because everybody thought "they were too serious."
@@no_name_here9007 that's your opinion and I have my opinion. and we have 2 maps with this crew. the reason I loved Richtofen and the gang is because of their insanely crazy voice lines. I don't hear anything like that in bo6 with the main crew, and I play a lot of zombies.
Don’t listen treyarch BRING EM BACK
please just no. we need new characters and a story that actually moves forward. bringing them back would make every zombies since bo4 literally pointless🤦🏾
If you want to see them again, go back to bo3 or bo4.
I won't accept primis unless they end this trash warzone zombies mode first. Bo6 is actual garbage, one of the worst in the series in its current state.
BO6 Zombies is the best we've had since BO3
@@CammyHolidayfacts
@@CammyHoliday no. Even cold war and bo4 are better and I hate those games.
@@CammyHoliday no it isn't black ops 6 zombies is horrible I would much rather play bo4
Nah your tripping hard. Bo6 as a game is a great cod. Zombies is what cw should have been and better on every way. Bo4 is also very good. Wish people would stop meat riding bo3
The bo3 cutscenes were the best. Dempsey goes out in his sleep and not in glory, Takeo comes to terms that his emperor betrayed him, Nikolai feeling emotion 1 last time before dying.
And then bo4 said "none of that mattered"