Been a long time listener to white and maybe 4 years ago I started thinking maybe he was a little too focused on certain aspects to the point that he could cause division but I kept on listening only to come to the conclusion this ministry is very important and crucial for the defense of the faith. Thank you for your faithfulness and boldness to Christ and His kingdom.
I expected to be humbled, did not expect so much to see humility from you both in the way it was expressed. Yes, it may take years to see the repentance in some. Never stop praying for them. This is not related to ministry and error therein, but for example, my mother left my father after 26 years of marriage. She left him for a woman. This relationship lasted a few years and then they broke up... And I got to see my mother repent - something I never thought I would see. Now I pray that my father will stop dating a new woman and be open to reconciliation with my mother. It is actually both of them who need to be open to it, in case anyone out there sees this and joins me in prayer for my family. Thank you.
Be careful Lindsey. My heart goes out to you and to your family situation. I am thankful that your mother seems to be in a better place. But from what you wrote it seems that your father has chosen to move on. This is not necessarily an issue of pride. Sometimes even repentance of one and forgiveness by the other doesn’t lead to reunion. As a parent of grown children there is much that is not shared with them about past family disputes. Your father loves you.
What really struck me most with what James White mentioned is about maintaining the love for anyone in the Church who might be having their "seasons" and might be turned back by Abba just like the parable of the Prodigal Son. Amen to that!
There is a famine of wisdom within the true church body these day's but men Like Dr White, McArthur, Wilson, Coates, Boot, etc, are standing firm and keeping the fire lit. 1 Kings 19:18. Greetings from Ireland.
God said there would be a famine of the sort. Amos 8:11-12 ESV [11] "Behold, the days are coming," declares the Lord GOD, "when I will send a famine on the land- not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD. [12] They shall wander from sea to sea, and from north to east; they shall run to and fro, to seek the word of the LORD, but they shall not find it.
Just left a church that I'm still working with the pastor. I took on a small project for another member today that I'll do Monday. I live in a small town where leaving a church is a community event. Leaving peaceful is important to me, I love each and every person there and pray they come out of the position they're in.
I love debates, debates really bring out the differences in worldview and context to show the meaning of a passage. Hearing a sermon is great but to have the opposite sides displayed and to compare is awesome.
James White, one of my favourite Pastor/Debater who I have been privileged to learn a lot from. Thank you Mr. White you are a blessing to me and no doubt many, many other's around the World. God bless and keep you safe!
@Sage of Synergism Tell me, why didn't you tell me that the link you sent me was to Leighton Flowers. I've heard him, I consider him a major joke! He has nothing to say that I would now want to hear after hearing from him in the past. Would be nice if you were open and honest about your intention instead of sending someone to someone like Mr Flowers who has a great personal dislike of Dr White. Please do not feel the need to reply, you have lost any trust or respect I might of had had you been open about where you were sending me and what I could expect. I wish you well but please don't waste your time trying to sell the unremarkable Leighton Flowers to me!
@Sage of Synergism you're being willfully deceptive. Within the context of the comment you're responding to, your link is nothing more than clickbait. You might think yourself clever by using clickbait. It's not clever unless you think lying is being clever. What you're doing is being deceptive, and being deceptive is the same thing as lying. Proverbs 24:28 - Be not a witness against your neighbour without cause; and deceive not with your lips.
Grateful you did this interview with Dr White. Your thoughts have joined my regular stream of those I watch listen to. We need as many men who’ll stand firm and consistent as we can; you my brother are a growing oak in a dense stand of pines.
@Sage of Synergism Faith is given to us by the Holy Spirit. Just like being born naturally, in that we do not “birth” ourselves, we are unable to “birth” ourselves spiritually either. This parallel is precisely and very concisely used by Jesus to teach Nicodemus about being born of the Spirit. One cannot argue with such a straightforward picture.
What an amazing talk from two great men of God!!! Pastor Joel, I love how you backed off and let Dr. White talk uninterrupted. A lot of younger pastors trying to make a “name” for themselves seek to interject a lot to be noticed, so I’m thankful for your humility here. Also, how incredibly encouraging Dr. White’s point about how he’s seen lots of people return from error after many years.
WELL STATED AND ARTICULATES, AS USUAL, re: the power grab, as well as everything else: so grateful to have discovered this podcast. I will say that Tom Ascol brought up the example at the Founders pre-Nashville conference as an example of integrity of Michael Haykin publicly acknowledging his error, which doesn't surprise me in the least, because I have the greatest respect for both Dr. Ascol as well as Dr. Haykin. And Pastor Webbon is right on about humility and pride: I have come to appreciate that humility and a clear conscience before God go a long way, and if our conscience is clear before God and we are teachable, we have nothing to fear from men: once we are accountable to God, everything else falls into place and we don't need to concern ourselves with pleasing men. An unfortunate friend of mine never learned that lesson before he died, and he never learned it from our OPC in Crystal Lake, Illinois. A wise lesson that my first boss taught me is that it's always okay to say, "I don't know, but I'll find out": it's always better to be truthful, transparent, and sincere before God.
I noticed that too. From the beginning, that answer seemed like it wouldn’t directly address the substance of the verse for the very reason that it is difficult for the position of total depravity.
@@kevin.malone -- I am not seeing how the passage is addressing the subject of total depravity. Paul seems to be saying that the believer has, because he has been spiritually united with Christ, been spiritually circumcised, buried, and resurrected, and that this uniting happened by faith. Note that he goes on to speak of the Gentile Colossians' previous state of spiritual deadness in sin, and that God has made them alive (they didn't make themselves alive), and that religious rules, regulations, ritual practices are unnecessary to maintain that unity with Christ. Only if one assumes that saving faith is something that a person naturally possesses in his spiritually dead state, and is not something which is itself a gift God gives His elect, can the question of total depraivity even enter the discussion of the passage.
Kevin Malone Yes, the Calvinist view of total depravity is just not biblical! If it was true, Why did God set a barrier between the “dead” Adam and the tree of life?? Remember, in your view, dead men can’t reach out for the tree of life…, even if it is offered to them.
@Sage he said that the verse aforementioned "a circumcision made without hands". I believe that's the answer. Follow the flow of thought - argument - and employ Tota Scriptura.
I think the book of Philemon has a very interesting perspective on this topic. Onesimus caused a huge amount of pain for a lot of people and then studied under paul who sent him to Timothy. Paul did not command Timothy to take him in, vouched for him, and then offered to cover and losses that Onesimus caused during his time of offense/evil. There is a lot to discuss on the difference between forgiveness (which is required) and reconciliation. Thanks for the discussion!
Good interview! White is a centrist, not sure if we can survive in that position, the call to being humble is important and look what Jesus had to do, may Christ be with the church and these 2 men and all christians to walk in the light with Him.
Roman's 12: 3 explains that all believers have been given a measure of faith and that faith is given by God.Its this faith that causes us to believe what Christ has done for us.
Thanks for the video. I agree that we are not the ultimate judge of a person and that we need to be very careful and patient in this matter. With that said, we are to be fruit inspectors, and Jesus said we will know them by their fruits. Moreover, we have 1 John which tells us how we can know we have eternal life. If that’s true, then the opposite is true where we can know who does not have eternal life. I wish Matthew 18:15-20 was fleshed out in this video.
I so wish I’d have watched this video when it was first posted. I think the Lord truly granted me repentance last January, while I was working at my seeker friendly church. I promptly quit, but then my husband was offered a job there. I had major cage stage and I honestly couldn’t stomach the sermons. Every week they were twisting scriptures out of context and giving a watered down gospel at best, and declaring blasphemy at worst (the pastor had the whole congregation declare “I am the righteousness of God!” with no call to repentance or true exegesis of Scriptures). And they was definitely CRT sprinkled in there. And so I did not leave the church with much grace and gentleness. I was quite immature and angry and felt so shepherdless. Anyway, thankfully the Lord gave my husband another job so he quit working at that church, and we’ve been attending a sound reformed church nearby, but he’s still in a really dark place right now and this has been quite a difficult year for our marriage. Living out 1 Peter 3 is proving to be quite a challenge and I’m not often doing it very well, but I do believe it is right and God knows better than I do.
I used to be skeptical of irresistible grace until a couple of weeks ago. I was like five or six beers deep at Applebee's watching the game when I suddenly felt God's grace, like a flash of light. I tried to resist it but couldn't. Just completely irresistible. He replaced my heart of stone with a heart of flesh. Hallelujah! Now that I'm regenerated I can stop going to church and focus on my career finally
Through faith means the regeneration/circumcision made without hands/baptism by the Spirit into Christ is "through faith", so faith must be first for something to go through it! The tunnel does not cause the delivery of the goods, but the tunnel must be in place before the goods can go through it. Faith must be in place first before grace goes through it!
@@psalm1197 you missed the point, I think... grace is through faith. All saving grace goes through faith, meaning faith must be in place first for the grace to go through it. And you need to clarify your use of the word "wakens". Is that just another synonym for the reformed view of regeneration, which this passage called "raised with Him through faith?"
@@brianwagner3651 perhaps a more traditional word would be “quickens”…. The Holy Spirit quickens the soul which is dead in its trespasses. No matter which word one uses, it is still the Holy Spirit who gifts us with faith.
I am very appreciative of the fact that brother Joel brought Colossians 2:12 matter to brother James in humbleness with respect to the debate experience!
@Sage of Synergism I understand your point and in part I agree. It was however very useful for me to understand that the object of the saving faith is God, not His power. Looking at this verse in Greek, it kind of makes sense to me. This somehow must place an order that yes, faith is present but it is the power of God that works this out in us at first.
@Sage of Synergism no The faith of the work of God (a closer translation to the original) basically conveys the message that it has to be God working with His power first in order that we have faith. It starts with the believers upon something is bestowed, something happens, it speaks about the baptism (Romans 6 first verses) in which we were raised with Him through the faith of the working of God. I am also basing my answer to the same explanation br James provided for verser 11. I would challenge this point here: 'through faith' in Greek dia tes piesteos necessarily means "by means solely of faith" or could it also mean "in the presence of the faith"?... The word "dia" in greek what could it also mean in a consistent way with what the Scripture teaches?
@Sage of Synergism As far I understand, and as I mentioned before, in my opinion 'dia' is more likely to mean "in the presence of". And its not making faith the very cause worked somehow by us for our being buried and raised with Him. I think that everything in our being renewed experientially is accompanied by faith and is done in the presence and action (through) faith, not as a cause but as an agent as you said. And of course, nothing happens outside of faith - this is an intrinsic economical aspect of God's salvation. Putting verse 11 and 12 together along with a consistent interpretation of other Scriptures makes me think like that. And honestly, I don't think that Colossians 2:11-12 is written with the intention of saying : Look what you had to exercise in yourselves before any of these things could have ever happen! The accent in the broad passage falls on praising Christ Jesus for what happened to us in Him.
@Sage of Synergism Here was my answer to Leighton's misuse of διὰ τῆς πίστεως. What does Leighton believe the relationship is between περιτομῇ ἀχειροποιήτῳ in 2:11 & συνταφέντες αὐτῷ ἐν τῷ βαπτισμῷ in 2:12? If one recognizes (properly) that the circumcision made without hands (περιτομῇ ἀχειροποιήτῳ) is regeneration in 2:11, then the faith would logically flow from it. We are indeed raised διὰ τῆς πίστεως (through faith), but Leighton is confusing this *raising* with regeneration. No, being raised (συνηγέρθητε) is speaking of salvation. We are saved through faith. All Calvinists agree. However, we must not confuse regeneration with salvation, which is what Leighton is presupposing and relying upon in his argument. Regeneration results in us believing (1 John 5:1), which results in us being raised (receiving salvation). In other words, regeneration results in us being raised (salvation) through faith. No contradiction. How do we know that “being raised” is speaking of salvation instead of regeneration? In Paul’s explication, the application is made (in contrast to “being raised”), saying, “having forgiven us all our trespasses, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” (Colossians 2:13-14) While you cannot be saved without regeneration, it doesn’t prove that salvation and regeneration are synonymous. One must happen prior for the other to take place (regeneration to salvation). The specific connection Paul provides is the forgiveness of our sins. Further, if Leighton believes the baptism (τῷ βαπτισμῷ) in 2:12 is speaking of water baptism, then it would logically (based on the grammar of the sentence/context) follow that faith proceeds from water baptism (IOW, faith comes after baptism), which is against every instance of baptism found in the NT. Therefore, his argument doesn’t hold water when seriously pressed exegetically.
I am born again some 46 yrs...new to these discussions...lean towards pentecostal/charismatic...you have named names....I would love your take on Greg Locke & Lance Wallnau. Thanks.
you make an excellent point abut how long it takes for knowledge to trickle down to the laymen. Currently i am in university to become a social worker and we are talking about how transexualism is purely based and hinges on bigoted beliefs about certain sexual rolls. BUT the mutilated kids and believers in trans movement will never change their mind, they are to invested to call themselves bigots or bigots biggest advocate. So we wait for them to die and in the meantime try not to push advocating for these redundant ways of life. the query about trans people actually started when we wanted to institute prepubescent gender reassignment surgery into legislation. The reason all the other genders are aloud to do as they wish is because people have the rite to act any way they wish unless it is hurting themselves or others within reason. so we need good reason for the surgery. in our quest to find a good reason we came up with the question. "what would cause someone to think they are not the sex they were assigned at birth. If there is any non bigoted answer to this question, we have good reason for the surgeries. After a long time where nobody can answer this question, we decided that we are not going to protect bigots(the very thing we/and lgbtq+ set out to extinguish. policy making is essentially a social experiment with collateral damage. it sucks when society is obsessed with socially experimenting with castrating children. the kentler experiments are highly encouraged to be studied due to germany already going through this zeitgeist. kentler invented the term cis sexual. if you know your history, we know where this movement is leading to. next querry in line is. "How can we expect a child to know their gender if they are not aloud to watch material that would educate them on gender rolls ect.? kentler answered this question with. 'lets just make child porn for them then' and the rest is history.
My first thought when I saw the title was, "What does God's Word say?" Matt 18:15-20, 2 Thess 3:6&14 (consider v15), on the fly. I have never seen a church or Christians practice disciplines concerning 'brothers', which doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Will our pride allow a righteous rebuke? Better we read the word and let the Holy Spirit rebuke instead of allowing misconduct to potentially compromise a weaker brother's faith in public. Who can tell? When does submitting to one another come into play if I'm always isolated from the brethren? I'm in a dark place at the moment and I can't tell if my pride is stopping me from attending church or my lack of faith in human fortitude in obedience to God's word. I attend a Salvation Army (very Arminian theologically) and God's over abundant love for me in my sinful state is slightly off putting. I'm a wicked lazy servant pulling a Ananias on God, playing on incompetence that doesn't exist because the Lord turned on the light while I was hiding in the dark. I don't know why He doesn't kill me (yes I know the Christian response to that), truth is I feel like He is, which petrifies me. For 30 years my head has been saying, "when I grow up....(gagablagblag)", I have wasted time, I'm not fit for fertiliser let alone to be called a brother. So how do we know when to stop calling a brother a brother? Read 1 John while looking in the mirror and ask yourself if you're a brother. God knows.
I’ve felt this way for a while, even to the point of depression, fear and anxiety. What I never gave up is confessing my sins and keeping the faith in Christ alone. Psalm 32 and 51 helped me a lot too. Struggling with sin is normal for Christians. If sin is causing you fear and anxiety, praise God you have the Spirit in you convicting you of sin and he is working to bring you back to righteousness by discipline and correction. I learned to pray for wisdom and understanding in how to put off the old man and to put on the new man. It starts with thinking correctly so read your Bible everyday.
Joel, this showed up in the sidebar and I'm curious as to what James and you have to say about when to stop calling someone a Brother. That said, I must point out that I'm pretty sure you're mistaken about Leighton saying that we are raised thru faith. I watched that debate and if that that were the case I'd have called him out on that. As what immediately follows in the verse, "in the powerful working of God", we are raised by the power of the Holy Spirit BY Grace and that comes THRU Faith. I don't recall him specifically mentioning Ordo Salutis but I do believe you're correct in that was what he was doing. And I believe he would be correct in doing so because Faith does precede Regeneration. I'm not positive but I do think he believes the same as I do that Faith is not a Gift but that Salvation is totally a work of God. I do agree with James on several things. First, Faith after Baptism is nonsensical. Second, the Cross-ex is the heart of the debate. And third. he is superb at Cross-ex. One of, if not the, best I've ever seen. Funny how James mentions attorneys because I've always likened the Cross-ex to an attorney trying to tear down or at least shoot holes in the Opposition's argument.
I've heard a lot about James White, usually from people who don't agree with him. This is the first time I've actually listened to him. We are not saved by theology and doctrine, we are saved by Jesus. You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. John 5:39 James wants to control the exegetical narrative. He needs to do that to substantiate what he believes. If he doesn't, he loses the basis to argue with anybody. He can say all he likes that "they" are wrong, but my Bible doesn't fit his narrative and he is just confirming what I have said before: I've finally realized what Calvinism is about, its about defending Calvinism not the Bible. You have to follow their thought process to understand what they believe. If you just read the Bible you never will. It's like going down the rabbit hole, theology in a tube. You can't argue with them, because they can't see out of their hole. The Bible is a Narrative, God's Story, from Genesis all the way through to Revelation. We have an invitation to be part of it. Calvinism is a usurper that tries to impose it's own ideas on to the message, completely ignoring the story.
Calvinism isn’t some “insurgent” set of beliefs that seeks to overthrow the Bible, it’s simply a framework that makes sense of the Bible by highlighting the essentials that have always been there. Which essentials do you have issue with? Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority. Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ. Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone. Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King. Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone. When I became a Christian as a teenager, those concepts were what I believed, long before I had even heard of “Calvinism”.
I read over and over again the entire Bible, studied it and prayed as I studied. Three years later I discovered this term “Calvinism” and began to look into it, what all the fuss was about by people who like to use the term as a pejorative. And I realised that everything I’d learned from my studying and reading was expressed in the Doctrines of Grace and “Calvinism”. I don’t call myself a Calvinist now. I’m a Christian, redeemed by Jesus Christ, but my learning and discoveries line up exactly with “Calvinism”. I do not believe that’s a coincidence.
@@psalm1197 Isn't that interesting. I have found that Calvinism clouded my view of who God (and Jesus) is. Removing it as a lens from my view of God and the Scriptures, has opened up a whole new view of Him, His purpose, the Bible, and a relationship with Him that Calvinism, as in the 5 Points of, never afforded me.
@@John-Christchurch-NZ probably because you don't understand it. Maybe youve heard/read only a majority of anti Reformed people explain "what it is" which too often is not truthfully representing what it is. If you are willing to give up self and "willing and running" you gain great Solace and security from the completely sovereign God who saves perfectly. It's something to consider. It's your flesh that hates God's counsel and will in favor of your own. Try really considering truthful argumentation and biblical hermetics. Or stated another way, pray before you discover the truth saying in your heart "I'm willing to believe the truth no matter what." Christ is the Truth. Derive your beliefs from scripture alone. Don't underestimate your own wickedness and seek Christ above all, treasuring Him above all things. He promises to reveal the truth. Every person I meet that believes "Calvinism" or Reformed beliefs or Sovereign Grace principles are unbiblical, don't ever represent or understand what it is. So Calvinism while technically the tenants of a man, only mostly represent the right derivation of the truth from scripture alone. I follow Christ, the scriptures then the witness of the Spirit. If you don't know what it is you can't truthfully refute it. I've never seen or read anything that refutes the 5 points. If you have biblical proof tell us. You don't. But I'm willing to listen. You'll find it's the only epistemology that is able to proclaim it's authority in scripture.
@@bridegroomministries1212 In over 40 years of following Jesus, I have been a Reformed and have had my thinking influenced by Calvinists. You can use Bible verses prove anything you want, as Mormons, JW's and others show, but but they end up with a different God (In nature, character and purpose) to the one I find in the Bible. I am more interested in the meaning of the whole of Scripture It shows what the God of the Bible is like and His purposes. Calvinism takes Scriptures in its own context, individually studied, ignoring for example that Paul in Romans 9 is addressing Jewish beliefs, not making a doctrine or reducing God to a principle. Calvinism starts with 5 points and views all of scripture through that lens, I start with the person of Jesus, how he lived and what he did.(And said) He is the exact representation of God. Hebrews 1:3 He who has seen me has seen the Father. John 14:9 I could argue over doctrines I agree and disagree with, and though they have shaped my thinking, I have a living relationship and fellowship with the living God. That is my reality now and shapes my daily life. Out of that reality has come an understanding of the Scripture that I never found by reading it with my own understanding. Proverbs 3:5-6 If you are interested, this sums up a lot of my objections (to Calvinism) ruclips.net/video/J6J7rqlXOnA/видео.html How Calvinism Distorts the Nature & Character of God - Soteriology101
Concerning the Leighton Flowers discussion I'd implore you to watch Flowers' response titled "soteriology101 colossians 2:21" very eye opening how things are handled by certain parties.
Ok, I got to the part I wanted to see. I really like the overall gist and the way James put forth what he said wrt when do you "put one out". However, without taking anything away from that, I must make take exception to one thing he said. And that was his claim that he can't see into one's heart and therefore unwillingness to outright proclaim someone a heretic. As Joel rightly pointed out and James agreed with Jesus taught us in Matt. 7 and 15:18 how to know one's heart. And I agree with James in that there are seasons we go thru. I would state it a little different though. I would draw a distinction between the old Jer. 17:9 heart and the new Eze. 36:26 heart that is put into a body of Flesh. Again, I appreciate the spirit of "slowness" and "give it time" but there are times when we not only should but we MUST anathematize and "put one out". To be clear these times MUST be done only when and after a careful exploration and examination has been made so as to leave NO doubt as to one's meaning of the Gospel. IOW, it MUST be a Level One issue. It has been my experience that most of the hotly "problematic" subjects are Level Two which often brush right up the border of a Level One and sometimes cross the line. It's when that line is crossed that every effort should be made to give the offender an opportunity to walk the issue back across the line and into Level Two discussion where it belongs. Allow me to be specific for clarification purposes. The one issue I am most involved in is the Free Grace Movement. As I'm sure you both are aware they define the Gospel as simply intellectually assenting to a belief in a Jesus that promises them Eternity Life AND the SPECIFICALLY state that NO Contrition, NO Confession, NO Repentance, NO Commitment, and NO acknowledgment of Jesus as "Lord" is required. THAT is a FALSE gospel. In fact, at least THREE Free Gracers have told me that a false gospel CAN SAVE someone! Two of them have told me that Lordship Salvation is a false gospel but that I'm probably saved. So I submit that when one adheres to, preaches, teaches, and ardently strives to lead others astray with a false gospel that they are anathema and should not be called a Brother. Do either of you disagree with that? If so, why? In my estimation they have a different Jesus that is very much akin to a JW or Mormon but I am certainly open to listening and considering what you have to say if you disagree. One thing I haven't looked at, which just occurred to me, is whether Paul in Gal. 1:8-9 is referring to a "once for all time" or an "until such time as they confess/repent". One thing I am firmly persuaded on is that the true Born Again Believer who has been given the new Eze. 36:26 heart WILL confess/repent when confronted with their sin and ESPECIALLY when it is a Gospel issue. ANY desire to cling to a false gospel in my estimation is a fruit of the Jer. 17:9 heart that has not been replaced and one who has NO fear of God whatsoever. That is, of course, unless one believes the Free Grace gospel is true and a Believer can actually completely and totally reject Christ, even become an atheist or Satanist, and still be saved become it naturally follows that preaching a false gospel, according to Free Grace, only results in a loss of rewards.
If a church is pushing a "woke" agenda, it is right to get out. I believe God is separating the wheat from the chaff. I find it interesting Dr. White's thinking of not leaving the bad church before finding a new one. I've always been dependent on God and my relationship through Jesus, I have not ever been dependent on a "church". I guess it would be nice to be part of a church family, but I've never found that connection.
I've NEVER seen Dr. White speak where he did not mention how old he is, (usually multiple times). I almost started blastin behind me when I heard that cat meow
My question is would you share a platform with them? Or would you invite them to your church to speak/preach? Can’t seem to get a definitive answer on this. For example, I love Voddie Bachaum & find him to be biblically sound (and highly recommend his book Fault Lines) but I don’t understand how or why he shares a platform with Tony Evans or like the sing conference coming up he’s going to be there w/people such as David Platt & others. Not picking on Voddie just using him as an example. Just seems like when a person does this it can be very confusing especially to a young believer. Would appreciate if someone can help me out on this.
So even if pastors did different things after COVID-1984, why are they not extending grace to the others? Noone has dealt with this before and we are constantly under construction so how about some grace?
@@RightResponseMinistries I don’t mean conversion from Christian to Calvinist because that’s what Calvinists usually mean by being saved. Where is the testimony videos and the conversion stories? Never seen them. What I have seen is White’s distain for Catholics, other Protestants who give good refutation to Calvinism, and William Lane Craig who doesn’t engage other Christians on a debating platforms. I see white showing more love to Muslims than people of the household of the faith like say Leighton Flowers and Ken Wilson. I see Muslims speak so well of white and vice versa. Show me the conversion stories and then I would stand corrected.
@@RightResponseMinistries You don’t know what a testimony is and you have a channel dedicated to Christian content? Wow. On the flip side, I bet you I can find scores of videos of white demonstrating egregious pride and arrogance against his fellow brother in Christ. I won’t have to look that hard and you know what you’ll do after I find and post it? You’ll justify it by means of philosophy. I can almost guarantee it.
@@jesuschristsaves9067 I know what a testimony is. You said “show me,” so I thought you were asking for video evidence. In terms of written testimonies, I don’t keep a record of the testimonies of Dr. White’s evangelistic efforts. But I get it. You despise James White. Your point has been made. Feel free to move along.
so much wisdom here. We are to treat the unrepentant AS unbelievers, which I think is very different from pronouncing them lost/apostate. Doug Wilson just did a podcast on the Razing of the Shire and the Shire was being run by "woke"/NPC hobbits. Frodo had to FORGIVE his fellow hobbits who saw their error. We must give all people, the lost, or fellow Christians in error, a WAY BACK to the fellowship. It will require love and forgiveness and we simply do not know who is saved and who is not, so it is not helpful to declare who is saved or not.
@@RightResponseMinistries Isn’t it often the hard true calling out of sin and where it leads, including apostasy, that can help the now-unrepentant believer turn from their ways and end up repenting? I liked everything James White said, and he acknowledged that the C19 stuff really changed even the way we leave churches, if we come to the point where we must. And yet, the apostasy going on seems quite drastic now. Is there apostasy or is there not? Just because many are called out as apostate incorrectly, does that mean we can no longer call it out truly? Please dear Lord, open our eyes, and save us from ourselves. You are the God of clarity and logic. Please help us look to Your Word for wisdom. Cleanse us from all unrighteousness, and please remove the pride from our hearts, so that we can be saved by Christ Jesus and so we also may see others saved with us. For His sake, amen.
Joel, in relation to the Flowers debate and Colossians 2:12 where you got hung up - If I were you I would've stated that the Bible teaches that even faith to believe comes from God as a gift (Eph 2:8-9). Therefore, in Colossians 2:12, being raised "through faith" is still not a work of man although it outwardly seems so. Christ still says one cannot come to Him unless the Father draws him to do so (John 6:44). Case closed.
Thanks brother. Agreed. I definitely used John 6:44. But I still needed to give a Reformed exegesis of the actual passage Flowers presented (Colossians 2:12).
James White is a very mean spirited and divisive man with those he doesn’t agree with. You can say he is just being a defender of truth, until you compare it to scripture. How ironic that you are interviewing him on this topic
"We have two guests with us today. Saul of Tarsus and Dr. James White. Saul tell us about yourself. My name is Paul and I am the chief of sinners. Wow, ok. Dr. White please tell us about yourself. My least favorite subject is myself but I like to debate. Funny story ......"
@@RightResponseMinistries I was watching a Micheal W. Smith praise concert video and this woman got up and yelled about the sin of racism and then yelled at the people in the crowd and it and wow…..what ?! I’m shocked Smith let her do that . Wow. No….no.no.no.
Really enjoyed this, but I surprisingly found myself strongly disagreeing with Dr. White with regards to when you should label someone a false teacher and not a Christian. It seems to me that if someone demonstrates a refusal to repent in the face of multiple escalating exhortations to do so we are to count him as an unbeliever and hope that discipline brings him to repentance.
RC Sproul touched on this years ago...(paraphrase), "everyone errs, it's when they fail to repent after being made aware of it that it takes it up a notch, (heretical)".
I think false teachings = labelling them a false teacher but I don’t think there’s necessarily a need to discuss their salvation. Leave that up to God but warn the flock regardless.
It is good that you struggled with Colossians 2:12, but no good Calvinist would pay attention to the word "through" there, just like no good Calvinist would pay attention to the phrase "in Christ" in Ephesians 1. If you are start paying attention to context, you'll wake up one morning and discover that you're a provisionist.
@@jackgtx440, it's the Calvinists that believe in "an incomplete atonement." If it were complete then it would be sufficient to cover the sins of the whole world, not just the elect.
@@TimothyFish nope. Christ’s atonement of the the elect was effectual and complete. Christ completed his mission. To say otherwise is to make Christ a failure. Perish the thought that a drop of our Savior’s blood was shed in vain.
If you believe in the divinity and humanity of Christ then you are a brother... But you will find that in the "most loving" Churches people are quick to disassociate with people who attend main line churches.. Divisions in the body of Christ has neutralized and minimized Christianity, and now we will pay the price...
@@democratpro there is only one church and one Christ. If we follow anyone else we are not in his church, and unfortunately I believe you are correct .
Allegory kicked your ass. Nothing new under the sun. Maybe you can wake up Phil 2:5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Secular history is wrong Christian teaching of preachers. None of you believe this is about you, Phil 2:5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
I usually cringe watching JWhite. This video he had a much more humble temperament which made him easier to listen to. Still not much signal from the signal to noise ratio. When talking Order solutis, he really zooms IN to the verse to avoid apparent contradictions in the zoom OUT overall context of scripture. His eisegesis very consistent in that respect.
When you see their arrogant, ungodly, menacing Freemason portrait? That would imply that a man (or a woman) was not a sincere believer in Jesus, since they affirm occultic philosophers who say that Lucifer is God. That's pretty much, not a deal breaker, but a sign that no "deal" has been made in the first place. Because, while sometimes a backslidden believer might allow him or herself to give in to spirits who want them to say such things, they would repent in bitter tears, not go on as usual. It is sure not going to be confirmed by living a life that affirms that the Masons are right, that Lucifer is God, and that Yahweh is the bad guy and our enemy. Lucifer _is_ Satan, and no one saved, by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus, is a satanist. It's like the 666 in the logo on TBN; it's surprising at how inured we become, by accepting these things that we know, according to the Bible, are not spiritually possible.
You are welcome to dislike Calvinism, but it is well within the boundaries of Christian Orthodoxy. To anathematize RC Sproul, John MacArthur, Charles Spurgeon, all of the Puritans, Jonathan Edwards, John Knox, John Calvin, Martin Luther, Saint Augustine, and the Apostle Paul is a stupid absurdity. I commend you friend, abstain from such stupidity.
@@RightResponseMinistries The apostle Paul was no calvinist, Martin Luther was no calvinist, neither were „all of puritans“…get your facts straight ,friend…!Anyone who doesn‘t preach the gospel, that Jesus Christ died for the sins of all humanity and that anyone who believes can be saved, preaches a false gospel…that is the word of God, no stupidity!
@@RightResponseMinistries They also believe, that God selected a few before beginning of time to be saved and created the rest of humanity with the intention to send them to hell and that is a demonic doctrine…!
Calvinists can be Christian brothers. They believe Jesus is the only means of salvation and all other orthodox views. They differ in some of the nuance around these issues.
12:20 dr white lost my respect when he dishonestly states negative comments about dr flowers. Having watched a lot from both men, i will spend less time listening to dr white because of his dishonesty and pride. He knows the question being asked, but cannot give a good answer that supports his theology.
James repent come to The Jesus of scripture the gospel of Christ is according to scripture not Calvinism we are to defend the faith not Calvinism you do not go before the Lord defending Calvinism Romans 3:4
"Pastors will be arrested, and imprisoned, and taken out of your churches. Your children will be taken out of your home by force. If you just put your head down, and cave in, and decide that you're not going to complain about it, then by force the government will teach your little ones - your children and your grandchildren - about the ways of the demons, about the ways of the gays."
The Gospel: Plain and Simple “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” - 2 Corithians 11:3 Ask someone today if they are saved and you will most likely hear responses like these: “I have accepted Jesus into my heart.” Or “I have made him Lord of my life.” “I’ve been baptized.” “I said a prayer.” Sounds all good and churchy don’t it; but it is difficult to de- termine whether or not a person actually knows the gospel that saves them. These useless phrases don’t describe a thing about what the gospel is and has left a devastating effect of people not knowing what it is that they are saved from nor how they are saved; which leaves a more serious effect of people questioning their salvation. Let’s not muddy the simplicity of salvation that is in Christ with vague church sounding phrases that do not communicate anything. But rather present God’s word with clarity and assuredness. So here is the gospel: plain and simple. Sin was passed upon all men by one man Adam, and death is a consequence of this sin (Rom 5:12). Mankind has an eternal destiny of condemnation and wrath - Hell - because of this sin (Rom 6:23). No matter what good works one might do we are still found sinners in the sight of our Creator God. And all unrighteousness and those who follow get indignation and wrath. We cannot be found righteous for by God’s law we are found sinners (Rom 3:19-20). If we have broken even one law we are found guilty. It is for this reason of not being able to create our own righteousness and being born in a sinful flesh that we need a savior (Titus 3:5). Christ is that Savior, God manifested in the flesh, sinless, died in our place on a cross 2000 years ago. Taking upon him the wrath and judgement that was intended for us sinners. And it is through his bloodshed, burial, and resurrection on our behalf that we are able to have peace with God and forgiveness of our sins (1 Cor 15:1-4, Col 3:14). This good news is unto all but only those that believe in it are made righteous in Christ (Romans 3:22). It is then after we have heard this good news of Christ’s righteousness available to us freely, that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and we are now part of Christ’s body the church (Eph 1:13) There is nothing that we need to do, no good works that are required, and no bad works that can separate us from our new position in Christ (Romans 8:35-39). Faith and belief in this information from God’s word is the gospel. The gospel is not accepting Jesus into your heart. The gospel is not making him lord of your life, it is not saying a prayer and it is not being baptized with water. So next time someone asks you if you are saved. Give them the clear assured answer “Yes! And let me tell you why!” Find more free resources at: www.graceambassadors.com
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Been a long time listener to white and maybe 4 years ago I started thinking maybe he was a little too focused on certain aspects to the point that he could cause division but I kept on listening only to come to the conclusion this ministry is very important and crucial for the defense of the faith. Thank you for your faithfulness and boldness to Christ and His kingdom.
so much so, that You have picked the name: Right Defense, uh!!-)
Get It in for The HOLY KING!
~ sDg
I expected to be humbled, did not expect so much to see humility from you both in the way it was expressed. Yes, it may take years to see the repentance in some. Never stop praying for them. This is not related to ministry and error therein, but for example, my mother left my father after 26 years of marriage. She left him for a woman. This relationship lasted a few years and then they broke up... And I got to see my mother repent - something I never thought I would see. Now I pray that my father will stop dating a new woman and be open to reconciliation with my mother. It is actually both of them who need to be open to it, in case anyone out there sees this and joins me in prayer for my family. Thank you.
I’ll be praying.
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Be careful Lindsey. My heart goes out to you and to your family situation. I am thankful that your mother seems to be in a better place. But from what you wrote it seems that your father has chosen to move on. This is not necessarily an issue of pride. Sometimes even repentance of one and forgiveness by the other doesn’t lead to reunion. As a parent of grown children there is much that is not shared with them about past family disputes. Your father loves you.
What really struck me most with what James White mentioned is about maintaining the love for anyone in the Church who might be having their "seasons" and might be turned back by Abba just like the parable of the Prodigal Son. Amen to that!
There is a famine of wisdom within the true church body these day's but men Like Dr White, McArthur, Wilson, Coates, Boot, etc, are standing firm and keeping the fire lit. 1 Kings 19:18. Greetings from Ireland.
God said there would be a famine of the sort.
Amos 8:11-12 ESV
[11] "Behold, the days are coming," declares the Lord GOD, "when I will send a famine on the land- not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD. [12] They shall wander from sea to sea, and from north to east; they shall run to and fro, to seek the word of the LORD, but they shall not find it.
Dr zwhitr your tireless pursuit of truth has changed my life and made me a better follower of our Lord. I thank you and God bless
Just left a church that I'm still working with the pastor. I took on a small project for another member today that I'll do Monday. I live in a small town where leaving a church is a community event. Leaving peaceful is important to me, I love each and every person there and pray they come out of the position they're in.
I love debates, debates really bring out the differences in worldview and context to show the meaning of a passage. Hearing a sermon is great but to have the opposite sides displayed and to compare is awesome.
@@1Whipperin yes Matthew 15:1
No Luke 20:1
@@1Whipperin what do you mean?
@@1Whipperin you asked if Jesus debated. The answer is yes and no.
James White, one of my favourite Pastor/Debater who I have been privileged to learn a lot from. Thank you Mr. White you are a blessing to me and no doubt many, many other's around the World. God bless and keep you safe!
@Sage of Synergism Tell me, why didn't you tell me that the link you sent me was to Leighton Flowers. I've heard him, I consider him a major joke! He has nothing to say that I would now want to hear after hearing from him in the past. Would be nice if you were open and honest about your intention instead of sending someone to someone like Mr Flowers who has a great personal dislike of Dr White. Please do not feel the need to reply, you have lost any trust or respect I might of had had you been open about where you were sending me and what I could expect. I wish you well but please don't waste your time trying to sell the unremarkable Leighton Flowers to me!
@Sage of Synergism you're being willfully deceptive. Within the context of the comment you're responding to, your link is nothing more than clickbait.
You might think yourself clever by using clickbait. It's not clever unless you think lying is being clever. What you're doing is being deceptive, and being deceptive is the same thing as lying.
Proverbs 24:28 - Be not a witness against your neighbour without cause; and deceive not with your lips.
@Sage I'm sorry God's right over His own creation upsets you.
So good to hear Pastor White has become fellow at Ezra!
Much love from Canada ❤️
Very humble that brother that is asking Pastor James. It was very interesting and helpful.
Dr. James White is a blessing to The Body of Christ today.
I really enjoyed listening to this interview with James White.
Grateful you did this interview with Dr White. Your thoughts have joined my regular stream of those I watch listen to. We need as many men who’ll stand firm and consistent as we can; you my brother are a growing oak in a dense stand of pines.
Thank you very much. I do not take this encouragement lightly. Pray that the Lord grows me stronger still.
@Sage of Synergism Faith is given to us by the Holy Spirit. Just like being born naturally, in that we do not “birth” ourselves, we are unable to “birth” ourselves spiritually either. This parallel is precisely and very concisely used by Jesus to teach Nicodemus about being born of the Spirit. One cannot argue with such a straightforward picture.
What an amazing talk from two great men of God!!!
Pastor Joel, I love how you backed off and let Dr. White talk uninterrupted. A lot of younger pastors trying to make a “name” for themselves seek to interject a lot to be noticed, so I’m thankful for your humility here.
Also, how incredibly encouraging Dr. White’s point about how he’s seen lots of people return from error after many years.
WELL STATED AND ARTICULATES, AS USUAL, re: the power grab, as well as everything else: so grateful to have discovered this podcast. I will say that Tom Ascol brought up the example at the Founders pre-Nashville conference as an example of integrity of Michael Haykin publicly acknowledging his error, which doesn't surprise me in the least, because I have the greatest respect for both Dr. Ascol as well as Dr. Haykin. And Pastor Webbon is right on about humility and pride: I have come to appreciate that humility and a clear conscience before God go a long way, and if our conscience is clear before God and we are teachable, we have nothing to fear from men: once we are accountable to God, everything else falls into place and we don't need to concern ourselves with pleasing men. An unfortunate friend of mine never learned that lesson before he died, and he never learned it from our OPC in Crystal Lake, Illinois. A wise lesson that my first boss taught me is that it's always okay to say, "I don't know, but I'll find out": it's always better to be truthful, transparent, and sincere before God.
Another great dialogue and discussion. Thank you gentleman for the discussion.
Super thankful for this.
Pastor White is awesome! Great conversation.
I noticed that too. From the beginning, that answer seemed like it wouldn’t directly address the substance of the verse for the very reason that it is difficult for the position of total depravity.
@@kevin.malone -- I am not seeing how the passage is addressing the subject of total depravity. Paul seems to be saying that the believer has, because he has been spiritually united with Christ, been spiritually circumcised, buried, and resurrected, and that this uniting happened by faith. Note that he goes on to speak of the Gentile Colossians' previous state of spiritual deadness in sin, and that God has made them alive (they didn't make themselves alive), and that religious rules, regulations, ritual practices are unnecessary to maintain that unity with Christ. Only if one assumes that saving faith is something that a person naturally possesses in his spiritually dead state, and is not something which is itself a gift God gives His elect, can the question of total depraivity even enter the discussion of the passage.
Kevin Malone
Yes, the Calvinist view of total depravity is just not biblical! If it was true, Why did God set a barrier between the “dead” Adam and the tree of life?? Remember, in your view, dead men can’t reach out for the tree of life…, even if it is offered to them.
@Sage he said that the verse aforementioned "a circumcision made without hands". I believe that's the answer. Follow the flow of thought - argument - and employ Tota Scriptura.
Your channel has such great content. Keep it up!
Really appreciate that brother. Please pray that God helps us to grow and provides financial support so we can keep it up. Thanks!
I think the book of Philemon has a very interesting perspective on this topic. Onesimus caused a huge amount of pain for a lot of people and then studied under paul who sent him to Timothy. Paul did not command Timothy to take him in, vouched for him, and then offered to cover and losses that Onesimus caused during his time of offense/evil. There is a lot to discuss on the difference between forgiveness (which is required) and reconciliation. Thanks for the discussion!
Good interview! White is a centrist, not sure if we can survive in that position, the call to being humble is important and look what Jesus had to do, may Christ be with the church and these 2 men and all christians to walk in the light with Him.
Roman's 12: 3 explains that all believers have been given a measure of faith and that faith is given by God.Its this faith that causes us to believe what Christ has done for us.
I totally agree with everything James is saying here
Thanks for the video. I agree that we are not the ultimate judge of a person and that we need to be very careful and patient in this matter. With that said, we are to be fruit inspectors, and Jesus said we will know them by their fruits. Moreover, we have 1 John which tells us how we can know we have eternal life. If that’s true, then the opposite is true where we can know who does not have eternal life. I wish Matthew 18:15-20 was fleshed out in this video.
I so wish I’d have watched this video when it was first posted. I think the Lord truly granted me repentance last January, while I was working at my seeker friendly church. I promptly quit, but then my husband was offered a job there. I had major cage stage and I honestly couldn’t stomach the sermons. Every week they were twisting scriptures out of context and giving a watered down gospel at best, and declaring blasphemy at worst (the pastor had the whole congregation declare “I am the righteousness of God!” with no call to repentance or true exegesis of Scriptures). And they was definitely CRT sprinkled in there. And so I did not leave the church with much grace and gentleness. I was quite immature and angry and felt so shepherdless. Anyway, thankfully the Lord gave my husband another job so he quit working at that church, and we’ve been attending a sound reformed church nearby, but he’s still in a really dark place right now and this has been quite a difficult year for our marriage. Living out 1 Peter 3 is proving to be quite a challenge and I’m not often doing it very well, but I do believe it is right and God knows better than I do.
I used to be skeptical of irresistible grace until a couple of weeks ago. I was like five or six beers deep at Applebee's watching the game when I suddenly felt God's grace, like a flash of light. I tried to resist it but couldn't. Just completely irresistible. He replaced my heart of stone with a heart of flesh. Hallelujah! Now that I'm regenerated I can stop going to church and focus on my career finally
Finished it. Good video. Edifying and I enjoyed you guys.
Very godly wisdom in how to leave a church if you must. Approx min 23.
Through faith means the regeneration/circumcision made without hands/baptism by the Spirit into Christ is "through faith", so faith must be first for something to go through it! The tunnel does not cause the delivery of the goods, but the tunnel must be in place before the goods can go through it. Faith must be in place first before grace goes through it!
And Faith is given to us by the Holy Spirit when He “wakens” us. All of salvation is from the Author and Originator of salvation, every step.
@@psalm1197 you missed the point, I think... grace is through faith. All saving grace goes through faith, meaning faith must be in place first for the grace to go through it.
And you need to clarify your use of the word "wakens". Is that just another synonym for the reformed view of regeneration, which this passage called "raised with Him through faith?"
@@brianwagner3651 perhaps a more traditional word would be “quickens”…. The Holy Spirit quickens the soul which is dead in its trespasses. No matter which word one uses, it is still the Holy Spirit who gifts us with faith.
@@psalm1197 so are you saying the HS gives faith before the "quickening" and that that "quickening" goes through the faith that was given?
Doug Wilson, Voddie Baucham, Paul Washer, Steven Lawsen, Glen Sunshine, and ... and ... and ... oh yeah! James White!
Sinclair Ferguson. Don’t forget the Scots!
I am very appreciative of the fact that brother Joel brought Colossians 2:12 matter to brother James in humbleness with respect to the debate experience!
@Sage of Synergism I understand your point and in part I agree.
It was however very useful for me to understand that the object of the saving faith is God, not His power. Looking at this verse in Greek, it kind of makes sense to me. This somehow must place an order that yes, faith is present but it is the power of God that works this out in us at first.
@Sage of Synergism no
The faith of the work of God (a closer translation to the original) basically conveys the message that it has to be God working with His power first in order that we have faith. It starts with the believers upon something is bestowed, something happens, it speaks about the baptism (Romans 6 first verses) in which we were raised with Him through the faith of the working of God.
I am also basing my answer to the same explanation br James provided for verser 11.
I would challenge this point here: 'through faith' in Greek dia tes piesteos necessarily means "by means solely of faith" or could it also mean "in the presence of the faith"?... The word "dia" in greek what could it also mean in a consistent way with what the Scripture teaches?
@Sage of Synergism As far I understand, and as I mentioned before, in my opinion 'dia' is more likely to mean "in the presence of". And its not making faith the very cause worked somehow by us for our being buried and raised with Him. I think that everything in our being renewed experientially is accompanied by faith and is done in the presence and action (through) faith, not as a cause but as an agent as you said.
And of course, nothing happens outside of faith - this is an intrinsic economical aspect of God's salvation.
Putting verse 11 and 12 together along with a consistent interpretation of other Scriptures makes me think like that. And honestly, I don't think that Colossians 2:11-12 is written with the intention of saying : Look what you had to exercise in yourselves before any of these things could have ever happen! The accent in the broad passage falls on praising Christ Jesus for what happened to us in Him.
@Sage of Synergism Here was my answer to Leighton's misuse of διὰ τῆς πίστεως.
What does Leighton believe the relationship is between περιτομῇ ἀχειροποιήτῳ in 2:11 & συνταφέντες αὐτῷ ἐν τῷ βαπτισμῷ in 2:12?
If one recognizes (properly) that the circumcision made without hands (περιτομῇ ἀχειροποιήτῳ) is regeneration in 2:11, then the faith would logically flow from it. We are indeed raised διὰ τῆς πίστεως (through faith), but Leighton is confusing this *raising* with regeneration. No, being raised (συνηγέρθητε) is speaking of salvation. We are saved through faith. All Calvinists agree. However, we must not confuse regeneration with salvation, which is what Leighton is presupposing and relying upon in his argument.
Regeneration results in us believing (1 John 5:1), which results in us being raised (receiving salvation). In other words, regeneration results in us being raised (salvation) through faith. No contradiction. How do we know that “being raised” is speaking of salvation instead of regeneration? In Paul’s explication, the application is made (in contrast to “being raised”), saying, “having forgiven us all our trespasses, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” (Colossians 2:13-14)
While you cannot be saved without regeneration, it doesn’t prove that salvation and regeneration are synonymous. One must happen prior for the other to take place (regeneration to salvation). The specific connection Paul provides is the forgiveness of our sins. Further, if Leighton believes the baptism (τῷ βαπτισμῷ) in 2:12 is speaking of water baptism, then it would logically (based on the grammar of the sentence/context) follow that faith proceeds from water baptism (IOW, faith comes after baptism), which is against every instance of baptism found in the NT.
Therefore, his argument doesn’t hold water when seriously pressed exegetically.
@Sage go back to 9:00 mark and rewatch.
Great show. Thanks, guys.✝️👍🏻
I wish I could hang out with James White
Great talk
I am born again some 46 yrs...new to these discussions...lean towards pentecostal/charismatic...you have named names....I would love your take on Greg Locke & Lance Wallnau. Thanks.
you make an excellent point abut how long it takes for knowledge to trickle down to the laymen. Currently i am in university to become a social worker and we are talking about how transexualism is purely based and hinges on bigoted beliefs about certain sexual rolls. BUT the mutilated kids and believers in trans movement will never change their mind, they are to invested to call themselves bigots or bigots biggest advocate. So we wait for them to die and in the meantime try not to push advocating for these redundant ways of life. the query about trans people actually started when we wanted to institute prepubescent gender reassignment surgery into legislation. The reason all the other genders are aloud to do as they wish is because people have the rite to act any way they wish unless it is hurting themselves or others within reason. so we need good reason for the surgery. in our quest to find a good reason we came up with the question. "what would cause someone to think they are not the sex they were assigned at birth. If there is any non bigoted answer to this question, we have good reason for the surgeries. After a long time where nobody can answer this question, we decided that we are not going to protect bigots(the very thing we/and lgbtq+ set out to extinguish. policy making is essentially a social experiment with collateral damage. it sucks when society is obsessed with socially experimenting with castrating children. the kentler experiments are highly encouraged to be studied due to germany already going through this zeitgeist. kentler invented the term cis sexual. if you know your history, we know where this movement is leading to. next querry in line is. "How can we expect a child to know their gender if they are not aloud to watch material that would educate them on gender rolls ect.? kentler answered this question with. 'lets just make child porn for them then' and the rest is history.
My first thought when I saw the title was, "What does God's Word say?"
Matt 18:15-20, 2 Thess 3:6&14 (consider v15), on the fly. I have never seen a church or Christians practice disciplines concerning 'brothers', which doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Will our pride allow a righteous rebuke? Better we read the word and let the Holy Spirit rebuke instead of allowing misconduct to potentially compromise a weaker brother's faith in public. Who can tell? When does submitting to one another come into play if I'm always isolated from the brethren? I'm in a dark place at the moment and I can't tell if my pride is stopping me from attending church or my lack of faith in human fortitude in obedience to God's word. I attend a Salvation Army (very Arminian theologically) and God's over abundant love for me in my sinful state is slightly off putting. I'm a wicked lazy servant pulling a Ananias on God, playing on incompetence that doesn't exist because the Lord turned on the light while I was hiding in the dark. I don't know why He doesn't kill me (yes I know the Christian response to that), truth is I feel like He is, which petrifies me. For 30 years my head has been saying, "when I grow up....(gagablagblag)", I have wasted time, I'm not fit for fertiliser let alone to be called a brother. So how do we know when to stop calling a brother a brother? Read 1 John while looking in the mirror and ask yourself if you're a brother. God knows.
I’ve felt this way for a while, even to the point of depression, fear and anxiety. What I never gave up is confessing my sins and keeping the faith in Christ alone. Psalm 32 and 51 helped me a lot too. Struggling with sin is normal for Christians. If sin is causing you fear and anxiety, praise God you have the Spirit in you convicting you of sin and he is working to bring you back to righteousness by discipline and correction. I learned to pray for wisdom and understanding in how to put off the old man and to put on the new man. It starts with thinking correctly so read your Bible everyday.
Joel, this showed up in the sidebar and I'm curious as to what James and you have to say about when to stop calling someone a Brother. That said, I must point out that I'm pretty sure you're mistaken about Leighton saying that we are raised thru faith. I watched that debate and if that that were the case I'd have called him out on that. As what immediately follows in the verse, "in the powerful working of God", we are raised by the power of the Holy Spirit BY Grace and that comes THRU Faith.
I don't recall him specifically mentioning Ordo Salutis but I do believe you're correct in that was what he was doing. And I believe he would be correct in doing so because Faith does precede Regeneration. I'm not positive but I do think he believes the same as I do that Faith is not a Gift but that Salvation is totally a work of God.
I do agree with James on several things. First, Faith after Baptism is nonsensical. Second, the Cross-ex is the heart of the debate. And third. he is superb at Cross-ex. One of, if not the, best I've ever seen. Funny how James mentions attorneys because I've always likened the Cross-ex to an attorney trying to tear down or at least shoot holes in the Opposition's argument.
I've heard a lot about James White, usually from people who don't agree with him.
This is the first time I've actually listened to him.
We are not saved by theology and doctrine, we are saved by Jesus.
You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life.
These are the very Scriptures that testify about me,
yet you refuse to come to me to have life. John 5:39
James wants to control the exegetical narrative.
He needs to do that to substantiate what he believes.
If he doesn't, he loses the basis to argue with anybody.
He can say all he likes that "they" are wrong, but my Bible doesn't fit his narrative and he is just confirming what I have said before:
I've finally realized what Calvinism is about, its about defending Calvinism not the Bible.
You have to follow their thought process to understand what they believe.
If you just read the Bible you never will.
It's like going down the rabbit hole, theology in a tube.
You can't argue with them, because they can't see out of their hole.
The Bible is a Narrative, God's Story, from Genesis all the way through to Revelation. We have an invitation to be part of it.
Calvinism is a usurper that tries to impose it's own ideas on to the message, completely ignoring the story.
Calvinism isn’t some “insurgent” set of beliefs that seeks to overthrow the Bible, it’s simply a framework that makes sense of the Bible by highlighting the essentials that have always been there. Which essentials do you have issue with?
Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.
Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.
Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.
Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone.
When I became a Christian as a teenager, those concepts were what I believed, long before I had even heard of “Calvinism”.
I read over and over again the entire Bible, studied it and prayed as I studied. Three years later I discovered this term “Calvinism” and began to look into it, what all the fuss was about by people who like to use the term as a pejorative. And I realised that everything I’d learned from my studying and reading was expressed in the Doctrines of Grace and “Calvinism”. I don’t call myself a Calvinist now. I’m a Christian, redeemed by Jesus Christ, but my learning and discoveries line up exactly with “Calvinism”. I do not believe that’s a coincidence.
@@psalm1197
Isn't that interesting.
I have found that Calvinism clouded my view of who God (and Jesus) is.
Removing it as a lens from my view of God and the Scriptures, has opened up a whole new view of Him, His purpose, the Bible, and a relationship with Him that Calvinism, as in the 5 Points of, never afforded me.
@@John-Christchurch-NZ probably because you don't understand it. Maybe youve heard/read only a majority of anti Reformed people explain "what it is" which too often is not truthfully representing what it is. If you are willing to give up self and "willing and running" you gain great Solace and security from the completely sovereign God who saves perfectly. It's something to consider. It's your flesh that hates God's counsel and will in favor of your own.
Try really considering truthful argumentation and biblical hermetics. Or stated another way, pray before you discover the truth saying in your heart "I'm willing to believe the truth no matter what." Christ is the Truth. Derive your beliefs from scripture alone. Don't underestimate your own wickedness and seek Christ above all, treasuring Him above all things. He promises to reveal the truth.
Every person I meet that believes "Calvinism" or Reformed beliefs or Sovereign Grace principles are unbiblical, don't ever represent or understand what it is.
So Calvinism while technically the tenants of a man, only mostly represent the right derivation of the truth from scripture alone. I follow Christ, the scriptures then the witness of the Spirit. If you don't know what it is you can't truthfully refute it. I've never seen or read anything that refutes the 5 points. If you have biblical proof tell us. You don't. But I'm willing to listen.
You'll find it's the only epistemology that is able to proclaim it's authority in scripture.
@@bridegroomministries1212
In over 40 years of following Jesus,
I have been a Reformed and have had my thinking influenced by Calvinists.
You can use Bible verses prove anything you want, as Mormons, JW's and others show, but
but they end up with a different God (In nature, character and purpose) to the one I find in the Bible.
I am more interested in the meaning of the whole of Scripture
It shows what the God of the Bible is like and His purposes.
Calvinism takes Scriptures in its own context, individually studied,
ignoring for example that Paul in Romans 9 is addressing Jewish beliefs,
not making a doctrine or reducing God to a principle.
Calvinism starts with 5 points and views all of scripture through that lens,
I start with the person of Jesus, how he lived and what he did.(And said)
He is the exact representation of God. Hebrews 1:3
He who has seen me has seen the Father. John 14:9
I could argue over doctrines I agree and disagree with, and though they have shaped my thinking,
I have a living relationship and fellowship with the living God.
That is my reality now and shapes my daily life.
Out of that reality has come an understanding of the Scripture that I never found
by reading it with my own understanding. Proverbs 3:5-6
If you are interested, this sums up a lot of my objections (to Calvinism)
ruclips.net/video/J6J7rqlXOnA/видео.html
How Calvinism Distorts the Nature & Character of God - Soteriology101
Wow! Great discussion.
Concerning the Leighton Flowers discussion I'd implore you to watch Flowers' response titled "soteriology101 colossians 2:21" very eye opening how things are handled by certain parties.
You tube won't let me like this!
is Booth's book out?
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This was a helpful conversation.
Ok, I got to the part I wanted to see. I really like the overall gist and the way James put forth what he said wrt when do you "put one out". However, without taking anything away from that, I must make take exception to one thing he said. And that was his claim that he can't see into one's heart and therefore unwillingness to outright proclaim someone a heretic. As Joel rightly pointed out and James agreed with Jesus taught us in Matt. 7 and 15:18 how to know one's heart. And I agree with James in that there are seasons we go thru. I would state it a little different though. I would draw a distinction between the old Jer. 17:9 heart and the new Eze. 36:26 heart that is put into a body of Flesh. Again, I appreciate the spirit of "slowness" and "give it time" but there are times when we not only should but we MUST anathematize and "put one out".
To be clear these times MUST be done only when and after a careful exploration and examination has been made so as to leave NO doubt as to one's meaning of the Gospel. IOW, it MUST be a Level One issue. It has been my experience that most of the hotly "problematic" subjects are Level Two which often brush right up the border of a Level One and sometimes cross the line. It's when that line is crossed that every effort should be made to give the offender an opportunity to walk the issue back across the line and into Level Two discussion where it belongs. Allow me to be specific for clarification purposes.
The one issue I am most involved in is the Free Grace Movement. As I'm sure you both are aware they define the Gospel as simply intellectually assenting to a belief in a Jesus that promises them Eternity Life AND the SPECIFICALLY state that NO Contrition, NO Confession, NO Repentance, NO Commitment, and NO acknowledgment of Jesus as "Lord" is required. THAT is a FALSE gospel. In fact, at least THREE Free Gracers have told me that a false gospel CAN SAVE someone! Two of them have told me that Lordship Salvation is a false gospel but that I'm probably saved. So I submit that when one adheres to, preaches, teaches, and ardently strives to lead others astray with a false gospel that they are anathema and should not be called a Brother.
Do either of you disagree with that? If so, why? In my estimation they have a different Jesus that is very much akin to a JW or Mormon but I am certainly open to listening and considering what you have to say if you disagree. One thing I haven't looked at, which just occurred to me, is whether Paul in Gal. 1:8-9 is referring to a "once for all time" or an "until such time as they confess/repent". One thing I am firmly persuaded on is that the true Born Again Believer who has been given the new Eze. 36:26 heart WILL confess/repent when confronted with their sin and ESPECIALLY when it is a Gospel issue. ANY desire to cling to a false gospel in my estimation is a fruit of the Jer. 17:9 heart that has not been replaced and one who has NO fear of God whatsoever.
That is, of course, unless one believes the Free Grace gospel is true and a Believer can actually completely and totally reject Christ, even become an atheist or Satanist, and still be saved become it naturally follows that preaching a false gospel, according to Free Grace, only results in a loss of rewards.
The moment after they affirm their own self righteousness or that of anyone but God.
If a church is pushing a "woke" agenda, it is right to get out. I believe God is separating the wheat from the chaff. I find it interesting Dr. White's thinking of not leaving the bad church before finding a new one. I've always been dependent on God and my relationship through Jesus, I have not ever been dependent on a "church". I guess it would be nice to be part of a church family, but I've never found that connection.
I've NEVER seen Dr. White speak where he did not mention how old he is, (usually multiple times).
I almost started blastin behind me when I heard that cat meow
What's with your image?
I am from a place that knows one or two things about communism
Or how many miles he flies. And that he rides a bike. And that he reads GREEK!
@@jesst5244 i saw a video from the 90's and he was talking about how old he was🤣
Hey…just found you. Love yiur channel heaps. What do you think of Steve Brown from Key Life ?
Glad you found us and are enjoying the content. Unfortunately, I’m not familiar with Steve Brown.
@@RightResponseMinistries Key Life
He is always telling people “God isn’t mad at you “
@@RightResponseMinistries John MacArthur made an illusion to him …. He’s a sentimental preacher teacher
@@RightResponseMinistries please keep posting videos
@@cmdesign01 gotcha. I don’t know enough to make an official judgment in regards to him.
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My question is would you share a platform with them? Or would you invite them to your church to speak/preach? Can’t seem to get a definitive answer on this. For example, I love Voddie Bachaum & find him to be biblically sound (and highly recommend his book Fault Lines) but I don’t understand how or why he shares a platform with Tony Evans or like the sing conference coming up he’s going to be there w/people such as David Platt & others. Not picking on Voddie just using him as an example. Just seems like when a person does this it can be very confusing especially to a young believer. Would appreciate if someone can help me out on this.
What's wrong with David Platt
I'm going to see who David Platt is. Since I don't know.
@@romans5859 he does the secret church once a year really good
@@romans5859 The head of McLean Bible Church, who purged faithful elders because they refused to be part of his stolen election/unsound doctrine.
What do you mean you didn’t have information? Alex Jones has been talking about this and warning about it for 20 years.
Not sure what he means when he says Arminians sing like Calvinists. It seems like both sides accuse the other of hijacking the same terminology.
Wow! Did not know you came out of an Acts29 fellowship.
Enjoy your freedom!
So even if pastors did different things after COVID-1984, why are they not extending grace to the others? Noone has dealt with this before and we are constantly under construction so how about some grace?
@Psalm85, what does your comment even mean?
Mentions a ton of debates, but not one person he won to the Lord.
Many have been saved through Dr White’s ministry.
@@RightResponseMinistries I don’t mean conversion from Christian to Calvinist because that’s what Calvinists usually mean by being saved. Where is the testimony videos and the conversion stories? Never seen them. What I have seen is White’s distain for Catholics, other Protestants who give good refutation to Calvinism, and William Lane Craig who doesn’t engage other Christians on a debating platforms. I see white showing more love to Muslims than people of the household of the faith like say Leighton Flowers and Ken Wilson. I see Muslims speak so well of white and vice versa.
Show me the conversion stories and then I would stand corrected.
@@jesuschristsaves9067 so I need to provide video recordings of james white personally leading someone to the Lord?
@@RightResponseMinistries
You don’t know what a testimony is and you have a channel dedicated to Christian content? Wow.
On the flip side, I bet you I can find scores of videos of white demonstrating egregious pride and arrogance against his fellow brother in Christ. I won’t have to look that hard and you know what you’ll do after I find and post it? You’ll justify it by means of philosophy. I can almost guarantee it.
@@jesuschristsaves9067 I know what a testimony is. You said “show me,” so I thought you were asking for video evidence. In terms of written testimonies, I don’t keep a record of the testimonies of Dr. White’s evangelistic efforts. But I get it. You despise James White. Your point has been made. Feel free to move along.
so much wisdom here. We are to treat the unrepentant AS unbelievers, which I think is very different from pronouncing them lost/apostate. Doug Wilson just did a podcast on the Razing of the Shire and the Shire was being run by "woke"/NPC hobbits. Frodo had to FORGIVE his fellow hobbits who saw their error. We must give all people, the lost, or fellow Christians in error, a WAY BACK to the fellowship. It will require love and forgiveness and we simply do not know who is saved and who is not, so it is not helpful to declare who is saved or not.
Big fan of Doug Wilson and Lord of the Rings.
@@RightResponseMinistries Isn’t it often the hard true calling out of sin and where it leads, including apostasy, that can help the now-unrepentant believer turn from their ways and end up repenting? I liked everything James White said, and he acknowledged that the C19 stuff really changed even the way we leave churches, if we come to the point where we must. And yet, the apostasy going on seems quite drastic now. Is there apostasy or is there not? Just because many are called out as apostate incorrectly, does that mean we can no longer call it out truly? Please dear Lord, open our eyes, and save us from ourselves. You are the God of clarity and logic. Please help us look to Your Word for wisdom. Cleanse us from all unrighteousness, and please remove the pride from our hearts, so that we can be saved by Christ Jesus and so we also may see others saved with us. For His sake, amen.
What about "Radio Free Geneva"? Hard core apologia that is! Maranatha!
Joel, in relation to the Flowers debate and Colossians 2:12 where you got hung up - If I were you I would've stated that the Bible teaches that even faith to believe comes from God as a gift (Eph 2:8-9). Therefore, in Colossians 2:12, being raised "through faith" is still not a work of man although it outwardly seems so. Christ still says one cannot come to Him unless the Father draws him to do so (John 6:44). Case closed.
Thanks brother. Agreed. I definitely used John 6:44. But I still needed to give a Reformed exegesis of the actual passage Flowers presented (Colossians 2:12).
God hates the wicked. We hate what God hates. Do we hate the wicked? Honest question
James White is a very mean spirited and divisive man with those he doesn’t agree with. You can say he is just being a defender of truth, until you compare it to scripture. How ironic that you are interviewing him on this topic
I love James, i used to feel the same way many years ago, but he is the best teacher i ever had.
We are all imperfect. I appreciate his expertise but I have similar concerns.
Why does Jeff Durbin fellowship with Andy Stanley because Andy Stanley is a heretic?
Durbin doesn’t fellowship with Andy Stanley.
But what about Michael Brown? 🤔
LF has demonstrated repeatedly that Calvinism's core propositions are completely incoherent.
LF is unable to exegete
@@jerrypost6910 Sure he is.
"We have two guests with us today. Saul of Tarsus and Dr. James White. Saul tell us about yourself. My name is Paul and I am the chief of sinners. Wow, ok. Dr. White please tell us about yourself. My least favorite subject is myself but I like to debate. Funny story ......"
What?!
This comment is honestly worthy of repentance. Can’t believe you even typed this.
So true!
If you’re a believer please stop making racism the prime focus of yiur life …it’s wrong and heritical
Amen.
@@RightResponseMinistries I was watching a Micheal W. Smith praise concert video and this woman got up and yelled about the sin of racism and then yelled at the people in the crowd and it and wow…..what ?! I’m shocked Smith let her do that . Wow. No….no.no.no.
Would like to know James feels about Paul Tripp too?
Good question. Not sure White’s opinion on Tripp.
@@RightResponseMinistries He has done a few episodes with regard to Tripp
Really enjoyed this, but I surprisingly found myself strongly disagreeing with Dr. White with regards to when you should label someone a false teacher and not a Christian.
It seems to me that if someone demonstrates a refusal to repent in the face of multiple escalating exhortations to do so we are to count him as an unbeliever and hope that discipline brings him to repentance.
RC Sproul touched on this years ago...(paraphrase), "everyone errs, it's when they fail to repent after being made aware of it that it takes it up a notch, (heretical)".
I think false teachings = labelling them a false teacher but I don’t think there’s necessarily a need to discuss their salvation. Leave that up to God but warn the flock regardless.
@@sarahd5341 agreed.
It is good that you struggled with Colossians 2:12, but no good Calvinist would pay attention to the word "through" there, just like no good Calvinist would pay attention to the phrase "in Christ" in Ephesians 1. If you are start paying attention to context, you'll wake up one morning and discover that you're a provisionist.
You're assuming here good exegesis of the text from the Provisionist side. This is still an open point :)
You want me to wake up in the morning and believe an incomplete atonement? 🤔
@@jackgtx440 And still drink coffee?! Impossible!
@@jackgtx440, it's the Calvinists that believe in "an incomplete atonement." If it were complete then it would be sufficient to cover the sins of the whole world, not just the elect.
@@TimothyFish nope. Christ’s atonement of the the elect was effectual and complete. Christ completed his mission. To say otherwise is to make Christ a failure. Perish the thought that a drop of our Savior’s blood was shed in vain.
If you believe in the divinity and humanity of Christ then you are a brother... But you will find that in the "most loving" Churches people are quick to disassociate with people who attend main line churches.. Divisions in the body of Christ has neutralized and minimized Christianity, and now we will pay the price...
People form different "christs" to suit their lives, that's the whole issue.
@@democratpro there is only one church and one Christ. If we follow anyone else we are not in his church, and unfortunately I believe you are correct .
@@democratpro right you are.
Don't even the demons believe that?
@@Charles.Wright bingo
Did you choose to make this video and did you choose to not call people brother why is pre-ordained
Does James White sport a tattoo?
Allegory kicked your ass. Nothing new under the sun. Maybe you can wake up Phil 2:5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Eric Mason sounds like an apostate
Nothing new under the sun.
THank you..this was testing my patience
You're a nurse?
@@democratpro on one level...but no.
Secular history is wrong Christian teaching of preachers. None of you believe this is about you, Phil 2:5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
What decption
I usually cringe watching JWhite. This video he had a much more humble temperament which made him easier to listen to. Still not much signal from the signal to noise ratio. When talking Order solutis, he really zooms IN to the verse to avoid apparent contradictions in the zoom OUT overall context of scripture. His eisegesis very consistent in that respect.
When you see their arrogant, ungodly, menacing Freemason portrait? That would imply that a man (or a woman) was not a sincere believer in Jesus, since they affirm occultic philosophers who say that Lucifer is God. That's pretty much, not a deal breaker, but a sign that no "deal" has been made in the first place. Because, while sometimes a backslidden believer might allow him or herself to give in to spirits who want them to say such things, they would repent in bitter tears, not go on as usual. It is sure not going to be confirmed by living a life that affirms that the Masons are right, that Lucifer is God, and that Yahweh is the bad guy and our enemy. Lucifer _is_ Satan, and no one saved, by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus, is a satanist.
It's like the 666 in the logo on TBN; it's surprising at how inured we become, by accepting these things that we know, according to the Bible, are not spiritually possible.
I wouldn't call James White a brother.
Why would anyone call James White or any other calvinist a brother in Christ…?!They preach a different gospel…
You are welcome to dislike Calvinism, but it is well within the boundaries of Christian Orthodoxy. To anathematize RC Sproul, John MacArthur, Charles Spurgeon, all of the Puritans, Jonathan Edwards, John Knox, John Calvin, Martin Luther, Saint Augustine, and the Apostle Paul is a stupid absurdity. I commend you friend, abstain from such stupidity.
@@RightResponseMinistries The apostle Paul was no calvinist, Martin Luther was no calvinist, neither were „all of puritans“…get your facts straight ,friend…!Anyone who doesn‘t preach the gospel, that Jesus Christ died for the sins of all humanity and that anyone who believes can be saved, preaches a false gospel…that is the word of God, no stupidity!
@@ewaldrempel9924 Calvinists believe something better than “anyone who believes can be saved.” Calvinists believe anyone who believes WILL be saved.
@@RightResponseMinistries They also believe, that God selected a few before beginning of time to be saved and created the rest of humanity with the intention to send them to hell and that is a demonic doctrine…!
Calvinists can be Christian brothers. They believe Jesus is the only means of salvation and all other orthodox views. They differ in some of the nuance around these issues.
12:20 dr white lost my respect when he dishonestly states negative comments about dr flowers. Having watched a lot from both men, i will spend less time listening to dr white because of his dishonesty and pride. He knows the question being asked, but cannot give a good answer that supports his theology.
James repent come to The Jesus of scripture the gospel of Christ is according to scripture not Calvinism we are to defend the faith not Calvinism you do not go before the Lord defending Calvinism Romans 3:4
The Lord rebuke you James
Lol
"Pastors will be arrested, and imprisoned, and taken out of your churches. Your children will be taken out of your home by force. If you just put your head down, and cave in, and decide that you're not going to complain about it, then by force the government will teach your little ones - your children and your grandchildren - about the ways of the demons, about the ways of the gays."
The Gospel:
Plain and
Simple
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent
beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your
minds should be corrupted from the simplicity
that is in Christ.” - 2 Corithians 11:3
Ask someone today if they are saved and
you will most likely hear responses like these:
“I have accepted Jesus into my heart.” Or “I
have made him Lord of my life.” “I’ve been
baptized.” “I said a prayer.” Sounds all good
and churchy don’t it; but it is difficult to de-
termine whether or not a person actually
knows the gospel that saves them. These useless phrases don’t describe a thing about what
the gospel is and has left a devastating effect
of people not knowing what it is that they are
saved from nor how they are saved; which
leaves a more serious effect of people questioning their salvation.
Let’s not muddy the simplicity of salvation that is in Christ with vague church
sounding phrases that do not communicate
anything. But rather present God’s word with
clarity and assuredness. So here is the gospel:
plain and simple.
Sin was passed upon all men by one man
Adam, and death is a consequence of this sin
(Rom 5:12). Mankind has an eternal destiny of
condemnation and wrath - Hell - because of
this sin (Rom 6:23). No matter what good
works one might do we are still found sinners
in the sight of our Creator God. And all unrighteousness and those who follow get indignation and wrath. We cannot be found
righteous for by God’s law we are found sinners (Rom 3:19-20). If we have broken even
one law we are found guilty.
It is for this reason of not being able to
create our own righteousness and being born
in a sinful flesh that we need a savior (Titus
3:5). Christ is that Savior, God manifested in
the flesh, sinless, died in our place on a cross
2000 years ago. Taking upon him the wrath
and judgement that was intended for us sinners. And it is through his bloodshed, burial,
and resurrection on our behalf that we are
able to have peace with God and forgiveness
of our sins (1 Cor 15:1-4, Col 3:14). This good
news is unto all but only those that believe in
it are made righteous in Christ (Romans
3:22).
It is then after we have heard this good
news of Christ’s righteousness available to us freely, that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit
and we are now part of Christ’s body the
church (Eph 1:13)
There is nothing that we need to do, no
good works that are required, and no bad
works that can separate us from our new position in Christ (Romans 8:35-39).
Faith and belief in this information from
God’s word is the gospel.
The gospel is not accepting Jesus into your
heart. The gospel is not making him lord of
your life, it is not saying a prayer and it is not
being baptized with water.
So next time someone asks you if you are
saved. Give them the clear assured answer
“Yes! And let me tell you why!”
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Can clarify what you mean by you don’t have to make Jesus Lord of your life? Is there scripture that supports this?