How To Build A Complete Budget Home Gym Under $2000

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  • Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024

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  • @GlucksGym
    @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад +23

    Did we miss anything? What would you do differently if you had $2000 to work with?

    • @abimaelmartinezcarrete4264
      @abimaelmartinezcarrete4264 8 месяцев назад +1

      CAP's bumpers in amazon are way cheaper than any of the suggested ones (either budget or better versions)

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад +6

      @@abimaelmartinezcarrete4264 sure but they're cheaper for a reason. I'd watch the bumper buyer's guide for an in depth breakdown on why and the quality differences between bumpers. If you're looking for the cheapest stuff we've got a build for that as well but here we've got more money to work with.

    • @abimaelmartinezcarrete4264
      @abimaelmartinezcarrete4264 8 месяцев назад

      @@GlucksGym I watched the breakdown, but I didn't see how budget options stack against the super-budget (besides the bar in the metal ring). And in my head, cheap bumpers will last a long time in a home gym, and for 50% a piece, I can just replace them once they fail (if they actually do).

    • @slothy120
      @slothy120 8 месяцев назад

      @@abimaelmartinezcarrete4264I bought some of those plates (45lbs) The hole in the middle of the was at a 10 degree angle to what it should be so the plate sat at a slant on the bar. I returned them and bought Titan instead, they are decent quality these days and always running deals.

    • @TwistiieHD
      @TwistiieHD 8 месяцев назад +1

      If you had to pick a budget functional trainer, which would you pick? For things such as a cable crossovers, flies, etc.

  • @ronhoover5516
    @ronhoover5516 8 месяцев назад +126

    This channel is quickly outpacing GGR as far as meaningful, well thought out content goes. Congratulations Gluck!

    • @Shopwolfe
      @Shopwolfe 8 месяцев назад +8

      Totally agree

    • @tuckertech
      @tuckertech 8 месяцев назад +5

      Agreed.

    • @BAGUBA1000
      @BAGUBA1000 8 месяцев назад +14

      Well GGR has does these videos in the past now he’s past that. You know how many 400sqf gym videos can you make

  • @Ophanim1000
    @Ophanim1000 Месяц назад +4

    1. Large empty room
    2. paint it
    3. fix gym flooring
    4. power rack, barbell and weights & bench
    6. adjustible dumbells with a stand
    7. dip bars
    8. a cardio machine, i like exercise bike
    9. drinks fridge, snacks, energy drinks or preworkout, protein powder etcetera
    10. res bands, measurements bands, scale, gloves, lifting straps and belt, weighted dip/pull ups belt, ankle weights, ab roller, massage roller, exercise mat, etcetera etcetera

  • @imadork123
    @imadork123 8 месяцев назад +34

    My favorite tip when buying home gym equipment is: buying something for $1000 won't make you $1000 stronger. This means don't buy shit you won't use. It's all too common a mistake :)

    • @sivasankar2784
      @sivasankar2784 16 дней назад

      Too late already bought 5 pairs of jammer arms

  • @joecowan3719
    @joecowan3719 8 месяцев назад +17

    Your home gym build videos keep getting better and better: the choices, the B roll, and pacing were excellent. The one addition would be a simple pulley system like Spud offers, you can get a ton of movements while you wait on your idea FT system.

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад +3

      Touche. Never been a big fan of those types of systems but this is probably a good budget level for them.

  • @brianhopkins5251
    @brianhopkins5251 8 месяцев назад +9

    Just a FYI there are two different types of stall mats. You want to buy the URLB ones or something with the word urethane in the marketing. They smell/off gas considerably less than the other kind. They cost the same.

  • @azndynomite1277
    @azndynomite1277 8 месяцев назад +2

    Over the course of 3 years and waiting for sales, I've gotten 2 sets of adjustable dumbbells (giving me 5 - 90 lbs), a barbell, 585 lbs of plates, a squat stand, calisthenics station, plate loaded lat pulldown, bicep/tricep machine, a leg extenstion/leg curl combo and an X frame recumbent bike for around $2000. Love being able to work out anytime I want!

  • @tazRenegade
    @tazRenegade 8 месяцев назад +3

    Good to see updated suggestions! I’m eager to see your updated suggestions for how to level up your home gym once you have the essentials.

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад +1

      Oh jeez you're right that video is aging as well!

  • @izzy97ful
    @izzy97ful 7 месяцев назад +2

    Every second was great and straight to the point

  • @carps_gym
    @carps_gym 8 месяцев назад +14

    Just when I think he forgot, he messed up the whole video. He sneaks in the gymnastics rings at the end, and totally redeems himself.

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад +2

      Hahahaha I had to

    • @carps_gym
      @carps_gym 8 месяцев назад

      @@GlucksGym no mention of ring storage though….

  • @murdog04
    @murdog04 8 месяцев назад +2

    Fantastic build video. Love all your choices. If anyone is starting from zero, this is a video for them. Thanks so much for all the work you put into this. The information is awesome.

  • @scooobyj8714
    @scooobyj8714 8 месяцев назад +2

    I really enjoy these budget home gym builds. It is a great help for ideas and items.
    Also awesome give away this past year. Love the channel and how it has grown.

  • @xmontesx
    @xmontesx 8 месяцев назад +1

    Yeah I have those bells of steel industrial dumbbells. Thought I was budget savvy until the company I ordered my bumper plates from gave me 5 lb bumpers... Looked so good I splured on rogues 10 & 15 lbs dumbbells bumpers. Even found 2.5 lbs bumpers. Nice product.

  • @gurfdog
    @gurfdog 8 месяцев назад +1

    Absolutely love videos like this! Very helpful to folks just getting their home gym started.

  • @iamheirjordan
    @iamheirjordan 4 месяца назад +1

    Super legit and thorough video

  • @stevenbrooke7558
    @stevenbrooke7558 8 месяцев назад +1

    love your humor as well as the content. good stuff

  • @justis142
    @justis142 8 месяцев назад

    I actually bought grind fitness power rack and bench. Won a Flybird incline from Gluck. Currently selling fringe 370 lb set as i am switching over to thin profile kilo plates. Channel is the best. I have the BOS power bar and another bar with IPF & IWF rings

  • @maxrockatansky4096
    @maxrockatansky4096 8 месяцев назад +2

    Also, a good used equipment store is a place to find great equipment at good prices

  • @scooobyj8714
    @scooobyj8714 8 месяцев назад +1

    X3 is a great rack. I have the flat foot and it is awesome

  • @jackjackson811
    @jackjackson811 8 месяцев назад

    REP's new high and low pulley weight stack for its 1000 series racks to me is a budget rack game changer.

  • @robolson7669
    @robolson7669 8 месяцев назад +1

    Don’t get the Titan x-3 flat foot rack if you want to add the lat pull down. I guess they don’t make them. I’ll mod one to fit one day. Get the x-3 bolt down…….and don’t bolt it down, apparently it’s still stable.

    • @robolson7669
      @robolson7669 8 месяцев назад

      Other than that the X-3 is an awesome value. Solid as a rock

  • @Lively-ob1sr
    @Lively-ob1sr 8 месяцев назад +2

    So the Home Grown Crumb Plates are cheap but the shipping is $100. So really they end up the same price as the Giant Lifting Contrast Bumpers.

  • @andrewforsmark6103
    @andrewforsmark6103 8 месяцев назад

    Gluck you're video's are always good. I've noticed in this one you didn't drop any sophmoric references. I think that serves you way better. Hey I'm no prude, but you can still be funny with out being a pervert all the time. Keep it up dude. Can't wait to put all you're advice in action once I build out my home gym. Got Powerblock Pro xp, rep barbell, everyday essential bumpers... Haven't decided on rack or FT yet. Thumbs Up!

  • @redmetalpanda9051
    @redmetalpanda9051 4 месяца назад

    The ironmaster pro bench is my dream bench. For the ab gainz from the quasi vertical decline

  • @Latenightcrewdave
    @Latenightcrewdave 8 месяцев назад

    Another banger vid, as a gear nerd loving the content!

  • @BradMiller-j2b
    @BradMiller-j2b 8 месяцев назад +1

    This is great advice for new home gym owners. Unfortunately I’m way past that $2000 mark. And still looking to replace my rogue squat stand with a good rack thinking the 4000 series from REP.

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад

      You've fully committed and I love it! We'll probably do an updated review on the 4000 sometime this year.

  • @davidlane6758
    @davidlane6758 8 месяцев назад

    I just got a Rep PR-1000 that came with the AB-3000v2 bench, the lat pulldown/low row attachment, weight storage rack, and dip station, all for just over $1000. PR-1000 has 2" hole spacing, in contrast to the PR-1100, which has the 3", so it should also be more cross compatible with Titan and other brands.

  • @bmstylee
    @bmstylee 8 месяцев назад

    The Boneyard is a great place to get some deals. You sometimes find the deep dish plates in there for peanuts.

  • @relax427
    @relax427 3 месяца назад

    I love these types of videos, but was wondering if you could do one a little differently.
    Start with a training program first, and build a gym to do it at various budgets?
    Thanks

  • @rodolfomedini9931
    @rodolfomedini9931 8 месяцев назад +5

    Adrian if you're running out of room for gym equipment feel free to use my house. You're welcome.

    • @imadork123
      @imadork123 8 месяцев назад

      Mine too

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад +1

      Aww thanks, you guys are so generous!

  • @maggiekay7426
    @maggiekay7426 8 месяцев назад +1

    my gym (minus upgraded attachments like spotter arms or roller j-cups):
    *these are estimates I don’t remember the prices over the past 3 years of building my gym*
    Fitness Reality Power Rack with Lat Pull Down Attached ≈ $500
    Vulcan Bench ≈ $195
    Force USA MyBench ≈ $410
    Ohio Powerbar from Boneyard ≈ $240
    PowerBlock Sport Exp 2.5-90 ≈ $650
    ~1000lb+ ≈ $1550
    ~~~~~~~~~~
    $3,545
    I have a lot of plates so an average set : (2x 2.5 5 25 35 | 4 x 10 45) ≈ $700
    I also have two benches one IPF standards one FID : (FID MyBench) ≈ $410
    so really the total is ≈ 2,260 (with stage one of power blocks only)
    I like my build, I am able to do a lot of and made a DIY cable cross over and upgraded over time. Love my home gym well worth it. I invested more money in my bench, bar, and majority of my weights (strength co and most of my 45’s were from FBMarket).
    I recommend Facebook Market :)

  • @JustSheilz
    @JustSheilz 8 месяцев назад

    Nice!!! One day Ill have a decent enough basement or garage to put these suggestions to task.

  • @acecool72
    @acecool72 2 месяца назад

    I got the powerblock sport 50s during the pandemic

  • @oswelds
    @oswelds 8 месяцев назад

    I started out with a used bench and plasma cut steel plates from a local shop. Not fancy but very cheap!

  • @ConcreteCaptain
    @ConcreteCaptain 8 месяцев назад

    It's a great time to be a home gym owner that's for sure.

  • @sgallegos702
    @sgallegos702 8 месяцев назад

    Woot has the Powerblock EXPs on sale often get the full set from 5-90 for $399 shipped.

  • @anthonyskrillex6981
    @anthonyskrillex6981 8 месяцев назад

    Congrats man! You are finally wearing normal color gym shorts on a video lol. Just kidding! Always enjoying your content. Awesome work.

  • @Abraham_Kist-Okazaki
    @Abraham_Kist-Okazaki 8 месяцев назад

    I really think Kensui's AdjustaBELLs is an option for dumbbells that should be included. They don't have the problem that other plate-loaded dumbbells have of that pointy end sticking into your thigh when you're doing a bench press. Plus they are very much a budget-friendly price.

  • @YourFavoriteLibertarian
    @YourFavoriteLibertarian 8 месяцев назад

    Love these videos!

  • @ak-zw8jv
    @ak-zw8jv 8 месяцев назад

    One thing to note is if you spend the money on a rogue barbell and you by with certain plates it ships for free. It might actually turn out to be a better deal than going with a separate budget option.

  • @AlexanderRodriguez-lm1qw
    @AlexanderRodriguez-lm1qw 8 месяцев назад

    Great video. Hoping to see your BoS hack squat review soon

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад

      Thanks. It's about 2 weeks away.

  • @Shopwolfe
    @Shopwolfe 8 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the great info

  • @Fan-td8dv
    @Fan-td8dv 8 месяцев назад

    Huge tip. Thanks

  • @TINMANN220
    @TINMANN220 8 месяцев назад

    You do a great job, thank you.

  • @Ash_4949
    @Ash_4949 8 месяцев назад +1

    Love your video.
    I squat, Deadlift and Bench press once in a week. What will be the one and done budget bar for me?

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад

      Probably Bells Barenaked power bar, Titan's Elite Power bar, or if you can get lucky on Rogue's Boneyard, an Ohio Power bar. Those are my top 3 budget power bar choices (not in order)

  • @adamstrachn
    @adamstrachn 8 месяцев назад

    Gigiddy my geshmoigen! Time for another Gluck's Gym build!

  • @retardno002
    @retardno002 8 месяцев назад

    Barbell, plates, squat rack, a couple of kettlebells and a pair of rings and parallettes is all you need.

  • @LukesGarageGym
    @LukesGarageGym 8 месяцев назад +1

    Love budget content 💪

  • @Epictimegaming
    @Epictimegaming 8 месяцев назад

    I recently went with the Bells Of Steel Light Commercial 5.1 power rack and I'm very happy with it. Got it on sale for about $600.
    Pros:
    Includes sandwich and roller J cups
    Includes safety straps
    Large internal depth about 40''
    Flat Footed
    Very sturdy
    Cons:
    There is a crossmember that connects the back two uprights and it makes setting up some bench movements a little more complicated
    uprights are 2.3x2.3 so the attachment ecosystem is limited

  • @Rack979
    @Rack979 8 месяцев назад +3

    14:33 No 35 pound plates?

    • @AnvilAirsoftTV
      @AnvilAirsoftTV 8 месяцев назад

      If you’ve got 10s and 25s you don’t need them.

    • @Rack979
      @Rack979 8 месяцев назад

      @@AnvilAirsoftTV If I have 10s and 15s (like Bells of Steel does), I don't need 25s, but would need 35s. If I have two pairs of 5s and two pairs of 15s, I don't need 10s, 25s or 35s!

    • @ronburgandy3339
      @ronburgandy3339 8 месяцев назад

      My 35s rule to keep on my pull-down machine.

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад +1

      We don't use them. They take up another space on the rack and getting them on/off with the others is a pain.

  • @meisdetermined
    @meisdetermined 8 месяцев назад +3

    If you pay with cash, none of it counts…
    Girl math-yes, it’s a thing. Look it up 😂

  • @randyandjackiechan9392
    @randyandjackiechan9392 7 месяцев назад

    If you use load able DBs you’ll want (4) 2.5# and 5#; and (8) 10#

  • @weightsnwaves
    @weightsnwaves 8 месяцев назад

    Crumb rubber bumper is funny to say😂

  • @jimlombardo9046
    @jimlombardo9046 8 месяцев назад

    What leg press/hack squat combo was that and when are you going to compare and review a bunch of them??!!

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад

      Bells and in about 2 weeks

  • @marcogutierrez1886
    @marcogutierrez1886 8 месяцев назад

    Just ordered my nuobelles. From where were you able to get blue ones?? They are sweet!

  • @MightyLu-Home-gym
    @MightyLu-Home-gym 2 месяца назад

    In US, by term "home gym" you mean a garage gym with enough space for a rack and maybe one car, in Europe, by "home gym" we consider portion of a bedroom or some corner in living room with one pair of dumbbells and a bench. 😂

  • @betovenc
    @betovenc 20 дней назад

    I bought Stall Mat Flooring, but the smell is really strong. Is there any trick that you guys recommend?

  • @ISWIMWITHFISH
    @ISWIMWITHFISH 8 месяцев назад

    1) rack with pull up bar
    2) dip attachment
    3)bench
    4) dumbells
    5) barbell
    That’s it. That’s the tweet.

  • @axcoolxname
    @axcoolxname 8 месяцев назад

    Thoughts on the major lutie/ fitness racks

  • @raythompson5050
    @raythompson5050 8 месяцев назад

    How do you feel about the Titan X3 Space Saving Rack? Add spotter arms.

  • @jorgezuferri3861
    @jorgezuferri3861 8 месяцев назад

    Only thing you missed is telling us ever you got that mini basketball hoop. Thanks!

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад +1

      I think you missed our latest gym tour where we talked about it 😉 It's from Oak Club and we haven't convinced them to make more yet

  • @carps_gym
    @carps_gym 8 месяцев назад +1

  • @skylab2442
    @skylab2442 8 месяцев назад

    Hey Gluck would the Titan Rackable trap bar be wide enough for strap pulls? Thanks!

  • @-Budrys
    @-Budrys 8 месяцев назад

    Hi, what do you think about training on the MIDAS MVMT channel ???

  • @JayeSuthar
    @JayeSuthar 8 месяцев назад

    Calibrated plates please ;( No one talks about competition powerlifting plates

  • @foggydesigns
    @foggydesigns 8 месяцев назад

    Are you going to review bullet proofs vts system anytime soon?

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад +1

      Would love to but haven't been able to get my hands on it

    • @foggydesigns
      @foggydesigns 8 месяцев назад

      @@GlucksGym seems like a solid set up for about 500, if I read it right, for the trolley and the high and low pulleys on one side.

  • @tomjones8235
    @tomjones8235 8 месяцев назад

    At about 8:10 you indicate that you can use Titan spotter arms on the Rep 1100. I have a PR-1100 and have thought about buying Titan spotter arms to use with it.
    Two questions:
    (1) Have you actually tried the Titan spotter arms on the PR-1100? More specifically, do they really work together?
    (2) You indicate that the because the PR-1100 and T-2 holes don’t match, you can’t use the pin that comes with the spotter arms with the PR-1100. If you fail a lift and the bar hits the spotter arms, will they rotate without the pins in place? Are there good workarounds, like using clamps so the spotter arms won’t rotate?
    Thanks. I consistently watch your channel and have learned a lot from you.

  • @michaelstewart9366
    @michaelstewart9366 8 месяцев назад

    My adjustable bench is terrible. I definitely don’t feel confident in using it.

  • @anthonyl9566
    @anthonyl9566 8 месяцев назад

    Is Rep planning on a 2.0 version of the an-4100?

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад

      The 4100 is pretty new and was one of the first of the revamped lineup so I don't think it's changing anytime soon.

  • @senorbautista6143
    @senorbautista6143 8 месяцев назад +1

    A $2,000 home gyn is the $1,500 home gym from 3 years ago.

  • @martystrasinger3801
    @martystrasinger3801 8 месяцев назад +1

    My tip is don’t buy dumbbells, and use the money on a higher quality bar (or two), rack and bench or accessories. Make getting the barbell you like the number 1 priority. Aim for doing a few things very well rather than a bunch of things that have hardware so poor in quality you end up not using them.

  • @zachanderson9649
    @zachanderson9649 8 месяцев назад

    26 benches is just how you replace your living room furniture and everyone gets their own "recliner"

  • @hashslasher2973
    @hashslasher2973 8 месяцев назад +1

    Rep benches suck for the money. Get a Vesta AB-3000. It's $320 shipped and is a Rogue Adjustable Bench 3.0 clone.

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад +1

      I've seen comments like this about other knockoff benches and I've seen a ton of those benches but I've never found one that is the same quality as the original especially when compared to an American made one.

    • @hashslasher2973
      @hashslasher2973 8 месяцев назад

      @@GlucksGym Have you tried the Vesta? It's got an even better pad than the Rogue. I was gonna get the Giant but it's the best value for the money out there. Mine came in a few weeks ago and I'm super impressed with it and glad I didn't get the Rep. No reviews on RUclips either just a few Reddit comments.
      Only issue I had is one of the tabs on the main back brace was a little over tightened so had a slight bend I'm going back and forth trying to get a replacement. Doesn't seem to compromise structure but I wanna play it safe.

  • @sruem23
    @sruem23 8 месяцев назад

    Where can I get that shirt?

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад +1

      That's from @massenomics

  • @carps_gym
    @carps_gym 8 месяцев назад

    🥈

  • @sylmg
    @sylmg 8 месяцев назад

    Liking for the animation…

  • @avinashtyagi2
    @avinashtyagi2 8 месяцев назад

    Next do a 5K gym

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад

      I did one awhile back but maybe it's time for an update

    • @avinashtyagi2
      @avinashtyagi2 8 месяцев назад

      @@GlucksGym indeed, that was before inflation

  • @davekennedy6315
    @davekennedy6315 5 месяцев назад

    If you use Standard plates, barbells, dumbbells etc they are way, WAY cheaper and easier to get hold of used! You only need Olympics is you are lifting crazy heavy. For bodybuilding, the cult of Crossfit or general weight lifting for all round fitness. Using Standard means quality bars are a quarter of the price new, let alone used. The weight plates are even cheaper! Olympic weights and bars are a complete waste of money for the vast majority of trainers!

  • @rdmckeever7645
    @rdmckeever7645 8 месяцев назад

    "Did we miss anything? What would you do differently if you had $2000 to work with?" Yes. Biggins Iron plates ???

  • @JayeSuthar
    @JayeSuthar 8 месяцев назад

    He said " Im Purplely safe here" in reference to him getting the wrong color

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад +1

      😂 That's good

  • @christiansather974
    @christiansather974 8 месяцев назад

    Used equipment is the best 💪

  • @PaulHo
    @PaulHo 6 месяцев назад +1

    Stabbed by a weightlifter? On my way.

  • @O_C_DEEZ
    @O_C_DEEZ 8 месяцев назад

    Some kinda comment

  • @timfritton469
    @timfritton469 8 месяцев назад

    $2000? I was expecting four benches.
    Nice work though!

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад

      I tried but after the Mantaray I couldn't get all 4 in 😢

  • @J.Garner88
    @J.Garner88 8 месяцев назад

    13lbs is logical because you add the 1lb collars to the end to make it an even 15lbs.

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад

      Damn it. All my barbells are the wrong weight 😢

  • @extrasmack
    @extrasmack 8 месяцев назад +2

    Some kind of comment, just for Adrian's ego

  • @lonelyazncboie
    @lonelyazncboie 6 месяцев назад

    you might get stabbed! lol

  • @RandomStuff-is2yf
    @RandomStuff-is2yf 3 месяца назад

    wertw

  • @brianhopkins5251
    @brianhopkins5251 8 месяцев назад

    dang, not even close to 1st..............

  • @donray2435
    @donray2435 8 месяцев назад

    1st

  • @l.p.7359
    @l.p.7359 8 месяцев назад

    What, no kettlebells?!?
    I kid, but I'm shocked we didn't see a plausible story some of us could sell our wives for buying another bench!

  • @Paulkatz123
    @Paulkatz123 8 месяцев назад

    Biggest tip, second hand where you can

  • @baylee0831
    @baylee0831 8 месяцев назад +2

    21st 🤴

    • @carps_gym
      @carps_gym 8 месяцев назад

      Slow

    • @GlucksGym
      @GlucksGym  8 месяцев назад

      I thought you'd given up

  • @squealer42
    @squealer42 8 месяцев назад

    For your top pick bench, should we consult our wives on color?

  • @ronburgandy3339
    @ronburgandy3339 8 месяцев назад

    I was wicked pumped when i thought it said Build a Gym for $200. Then I noticed the other zero and was not equally as pumped.

  • @ronburgandy3339
    @ronburgandy3339 8 месяцев назад

    I’m cheap as shit and let me tell you Walmart plates Metal or rubber work just fine. I bought bumper plates off Walmart for just under a dollar a pound and drop and slam the shit out of them and they’re fine. The weight is almost spot on too. Also the Metal I think mine are cap I honestly don’t know, all I know is I give them hell and they’re fine too.