Weird Run Secrets and Misconceptions in Deltarune Chapter 2

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  • Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024

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  • @HalfBreadChaos
    @HalfBreadChaos  2 года назад +678

    Quick Disclaimer on the name "Weird Route"
    I'm getting a lot of comments on the fact I call this "The Weird Route." I feel it's important to keep a few things in mind here... (spoilers for the alternate routes of both Undertale and Deltarune below)
    First, routes don't really have "official" names. "The Snowgrave" Route IS the most popular name for this route, but it's not "the correct" name anymore than "soda" is the only correct term for fizzy beverages.
    That said, while there isn't an "official name," the game does have to label the code related to this route somehow, and pretty much all the code in game refers to this as either "weird route" or "b-side route." So if there were a "correct" name, it'd be one of those.
    The name "Snowgrave" is also a bit of a spoiler for both the nature of the route and the route's most climactic moment. Since this video includes detailed instructions on how to initiate the route before any spoilers are dropped, it would be counterproductive to name drop the final spell before players have a chance to discover it themselves.
    This video was also made literally a few days after the run was discovered, and my channel was pretty small at the time, so the idea that I'd need to disambiguate hadn't really occurred to me. That one is my bad.
    "But wait!" I hear you say, "What about the Genocide route! That's not the name in-code! And isn't it a spoiler?" Both very fair points. The name in code is usually "murder" route. The problem is, in the early days of Undertale, it was hard to communicate using that name, because players would "murder" the monsters directly in their path, and be confused when it didn't provide them with the unique route. The name implied false information, and led to confusion. "Genocide" while controversial, is sharp and direct. It communicates to the player that you don't mean "the route where you don't show mercy" or "the route where you fight." You are referring to a route in which you go out of your way to hunt every last monster to extermination.
    While "Weird route" is less popular, and hardly a set of instructions, it doesn't cause the same problems in communication, as no one is going to mistakenly believe they "did the weird route," at most they'll ask for clarification.
    All that said, I'm not trying to shame anyone for using the name "Snowgrave" route. Like I personally love that name, and use it in casual conversation pretty much every time. But I do try to be mindful about spoilers in my videos, since I personally love discovering things myself and hate it when others don't permit me that same courtesy.
    ... Okay sorry for the paragraph, carry on beauties and gentle-beauties and friends beyond conventional attraction.

    • @levthelion71810
      @levthelion71810 2 года назад +23

      Why don't people call it the freeze route? It sort of explains what you do to achieve it, and doesn't have much spoilers.

    • @NotASpyReally
      @NotASpyReally 2 года назад +22

      We should call it the "Proceed" route

    • @HarambaeXelonmuskfans
      @HarambaeXelonmuskfans 2 года назад +13

      We can call it these nuts

    • @caiomendes377
      @caiomendes377 2 года назад

      this... is not quick

    • @deniedprosperity4144
      @deniedprosperity4144 2 года назад +2

      Nice Documentary! People can be so Misconceptional.

  • @muhclane
    @muhclane 2 года назад +617

    “Seriously bruh, no psychologically manipulating reindeers” Damn, I do that all the time

  • @sambeckettcat
    @sambeckettcat 2 года назад +363

    Random thought. Noelle freezes enemies in this route… and what do we call it when a computer or its programs stop loading? Frozen.

    • @SniperOnSunday
      @SniperOnSunday 2 года назад +40

      Holy [SHOT] you're a genius!

    • @theladiescallmesona
      @theladiescallmesona 2 года назад +24

      TOBY WHY

    • @edentague8141
      @edentague8141 2 года назад +21

      i am a bit disappointed by the fact that this entire route became a joke. but i also love that it did.

    • @sambeckettcat
      @sambeckettcat 2 года назад +6

      @@edentague8141 not sure what you mean, unless you’re talking about all the memes about it.

    • @poopypantslulz8234
      @poopypantslulz8234 2 года назад +2

      plus chp 2 is based entirely around cyberness and computeryness

  • @HalfBreadChaos
    @HalfBreadChaos  3 года назад +437

    Aw snap I forgot to include the fact that the Pipis' in the castle use your entire party's hitbox instead of just Kris'. Dang.

    • @qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa
      @qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa 2 года назад +24

      Wait but the pipis don't move and your party follows you so how??? why????? hhhhhhhh????

    • @fmeyer2765
      @fmeyer2765 2 года назад +18

      @@qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa well there's also the pipis on wheels in the following room

    • @brennanlow2336
      @brennanlow2336 2 года назад +14

      what the fuck I've never seen this video in my life but I've already liked this comment. I gotta get to a hospital.

    • @samugames0
      @samugames0 2 года назад +2

      @@fmeyer2765 ooooooh yeah, those the Swatchlings try to catch use the party's hitbox?

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  2 года назад +46

      @@qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa The party doesn't follow you "perfectly" so they can still trigger pipis in the maze room too.
      "hhhhhh????" was also my reaction when discovering this lol.

  • @Violet111
    @Violet111 3 года назад +892

    i think i know what Heaven and the Angel are!
    whenever spamton talks about Heaven, it seems like he's talking about either your world, or just _you_ directly. heaven is what he's trying to reach - heaven is what he's trying to get enough "freedom" to see. you're Heaven, you're the one watching.
    and the title of Angel is clearly related to Heaven, right? and it's pretty obvious by now that noelle is the Angel.
    i think what the title actually means is that.. if you're a god, then the Angel is your prophet. noelle is the only character in the game who can directly hear _your_ voice, and it seems like she's forced to follow your command. she's who you utilize to make choices (something not otherwise possible). kris may be your vessel, but noelle is your Angel.
    so this all makes ralsei's legend a LOT more ominous, if they're going to have to destroy Heaven. i'm guessing the final boss in the pacifist route is going to be *you.*
    edit: slight change now that i've thought about this a bit more, i'd say Heaven represents not just you, but players or forces controlling the game in general. so in "reaching Heaven," spamton doesn't really want to reach you or your world in particular - he wants to escape the bounds of the script by _becoming_ a player himself, or something on the level of one. but he needs a player's soul to do so, which would be yours.

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  3 года назад +183

      Ooh good theory.

    • @4n1m4s
      @4n1m4s 3 года назад +167

      Actually, Susie also hears your voice back in the card´s castle when you point her a direction. Considering the distance between herself and Kris cell and also the fact that Kris neither reads minds nor is able to see Susie, we can safely assume that the voice she confuses with Kris is ours.
      This means that US, the Player, are able not only to manipulate Noelle into our will, but also other characters which I see quite logical as it´s not quite possible that we have Noelle in our party in all chapters.
      On other note, Noelle was more easily manipulable since she´s an old friend of Kris, but I wonder how will it be with others like Susie that isn´t afraid to call out whenever we make Kris do something stupid or sometimes even take her own path that accomodates her better. Werid route was only possible since none of our other friends were watching, but I wonder what will happen when they do...

    • @Violet111
      @Violet111 3 года назад +97

      @@4n1m4s that's true, i forgot about that. i guess the difference here would be that noelle can clearly hear your voice all the time, meanwhile susie just barely heard it this once.
      noelle is also connected to the player in the sense that she doesn't seem to have a choice to disobey you - when she doesn't want to listen to your command, it _always_ ends up happening anyway, even if she has to do it in a trance-like state. for example when she takes the freezering, she doesn't seem aware of it at all, and can't even remember doing it. or at the end of the weird route, she somehow hears your call and kills spamton even though she was asleep before.
      so even though the player's presence can sometimes slip through for the other characters (e.g. susie hearing your voice), i think noelle still has a connection to the player that the others don't.

    • @ziongamer6905
      @ziongamer6905 2 года назад +42

      I always had a feeling we’d be the final boss. I didn’t draw that connection between god and the Angel though…very nice catch!!

    • @theJennicat
      @theJennicat 2 года назад +42

      i do actually have a theory as to how this ties into there being one ending what route you take decides what side of the fight you end up controlling at the end of the game, that means it still fulfills the idea that there is one ending to the game it just depends on what side you're on

  • @The_Exorcist
    @The_Exorcist 2 года назад +1458

    If you didn't know, 1997 is the year programs learned to block spam, and Spamton is a puppet spam email account, which is why he lost business.

    • @joelhoon1707
      @joelhoon1707 2 года назад +248

      Coincidentally also the year the ad for [BIG SHOT.] Soda released, featuring [MIKE!!!] Ditka.

    • @Peppermynt.
      @Peppermynt. 2 года назад +32

      @@joelhoon1707 also, *television*

    • @elijasmr4369
      @elijasmr4369 2 года назад +28

      @@Peppermynt. TVs were made in the 1940s or so.

    • @Peppermynt.
      @Peppermynt. 2 года назад +81

      @@elijasmr4369 no, like big shot is a tv commercial, and right after mentioning mike, spamton says “never trust what you see on tv”

    • @omniscientomnipresent5500
      @omniscientomnipresent5500 2 года назад +6

      Well found!

  • @mayramartinez4094
    @mayramartinez4094 2 года назад +327

    THE FACT THE [ANGEL] CAN HEAL 160 [HORSE POWER]MORE THAN THAT LITTLE PRINCE WOW WHAT A DEAL! Spamton G Spamton-

    • @valeriaalfaromoya7126
      @valeriaalfaromoya7126 2 года назад +8

      Its interesting, asriel (undertale) and ralsei are both princes

    • @t.a.t.u._enjoyer9884
      @t.a.t.u._enjoyer9884 2 года назад +4

      **squizo paranoid mode** what if 160 means something??¿?

  • @Epsicronics
    @Epsicronics 2 года назад +157

    13:40, Imagine the scenario of the final boss of chapter 3 being like "WHAT ARE YOU WEAKLINGS GOING TO DO AGAINST ME?" or some crap and Noelle straight up fucking vaporizes them lmfao

    • @aligamerthe1st
      @aligamerthe1st 2 года назад +3

      Yeah lmao

    • @noobfart
      @noobfart 2 года назад +15

      might be a replacement for shadow mantle
      there is a considerable chance that noelle will sneak into your house

    • @samugames0
      @samugames0 2 года назад +3

      @@noobfart why
      would she
      _(apart from susie being theeeeere, i meant)_

    • @noobfart
      @noobfart 2 года назад +3

      @@samugames0 apart from that, she notices something wrong with kris and asks why no one has noticed yet in the hospital

    • @samugames0
      @samugames0 2 года назад +1

      @@noobfart why would she just go to Kris' house because of it though lmao

  • @noahnaugler7611
    @noahnaugler7611 2 года назад +126

    I think the trash can is literally just trashy, because I got the "weird route dialogue" on a normal run. It's probably just whether or not you talk to him more than required

  • @pixelator5312
    @pixelator5312 2 года назад +129

    the video: "warning: psychological abuse, gaslighting, mass murder, etc"
    the music: Now it's time to get funky

  • @benikujaku4567
    @benikujaku4567 2 года назад +228

    Hidden captions at 12:45:
    "One of the more fascinating issues with this run is the placement of the petrified Roulxs Kaard. Since he's blocking the door to this shop, we can't get the Big Shot Bow, which is needed to make a TensionBow. This means the only way to craft every recipe in the Bakery's fusion list back home would be to initiate this run, play it until you have the ThornRing, and then stop it once you get to Berdly, so as to end the run with both the ring and the shops unlocked. If you choose to do this I recommend saying "Proceed" when you reach Berdly as then you get to keep the Snowgrave spell."

    • @bucket6079
      @bucket6079 2 года назад +14

      maybe they cut it using the youtube feature after it was uploaded and forgot to cut the captions

  • @PhirePhlame
    @PhirePhlame 2 года назад +78

    By the way, Virovirokun's "Happy new year 1997!" is almost certainly a shout-out to the old HAPPY99 computer worm, which basically did nothing but wish you a happy new year 1999 (with annoying frequency) as its payload. It's generally considered to be the first modern worm (that is, a virus which automatically propagates itself directly to other systems once you're infected), and spread by modifying the winsock library in such a way that it automatically inserted itself into any and all future emails and usenet posts sent from the infected system.

  • @qwertyuiop1854
    @qwertyuiop1854 2 года назад +117

    "dont do this stuff irl. seriously bruh, no psycologically manipulating reindeers"
    LMAO
    even with the monotone text to speech this still made me laugh audibly out loud

    • @r4sbery
      @r4sbery 2 года назад +4

      HBC always has so much character put into their videos i often forget about the tts.

    • @99773-HGG
      @99773-HGG 4 месяца назад

      ​@@r4sberySo much character when they literally are useing an AI generated voice..

  • @phantomsouls7788
    @phantomsouls7788 2 года назад +131

    As extremely stretchy as this theory might be, hear me out.
    After going through the Snowgrave Route, we realize that Noelle begins to be called “Angel” in some dialogue.
    In Ralsei’s Prophecy, we hear about the Three Heroes who have to banish the Angel’s Heaven.
    If Noelle’s Confidence begins to slowly rise more and more, what if she eventually would become the antagonist and would actually be fully willing to eliminate enemies for you?
    What I’m saying is, what if Toby _wants_ us to play the “Genocide” Route to fulfill the prophecy and get the _good_ ending?

    • @Nyerguds
      @Nyerguds 2 года назад +36

      I dunno, the fact the heroes' task is to "banish the Angel’s Heaven" implies that the Angel is the bad guy. Actively helping to make Noelle become that bad guy seems like a bad idea on the same scale as actively summoning these titans he talked about.

    • @sofistar-yt5dh
      @sofistar-yt5dh 2 года назад +7

      There's only one ending, whatever toby wants to happen to get to that point is inevitable

    • @crownamedcrow
      @crownamedcrow 2 года назад +7

      helps with the whole "you dont get to make the choices here" kind of thing

    • @yowch1081
      @yowch1081 2 года назад +9

      @sofistar1515
      I highly doubt that
      The Steam about for deltarune has bullet points that say “And... ... ... only 1 ending...?”
      So it probably isn’t “one ending”

    • @suckerman7gm
      @suckerman7gm 2 года назад +9

      @@yowch1081 Same. I believe this "one ending" thing is just a way to show that CH 1 only had ONE ENDING. Regardless if you did Pacifist or just made all enemies run away, it ended the same way. But in CH 2, the "Only 1 ending...?" refers to this route affecting the future chapters, with Berdly being fallen down and Noelle being psychologically shattered. (Or things are normal as they are in Pacifist, or you do Neutral and Berdly's arm gets paralyzed)

  • @Wobbmin
    @Wobbmin 2 года назад +40

    Holy shit I did not know that's what happened to normal enemies when you did that god that's dark

    • @suckerman7gm
      @suckerman7gm 2 года назад +5

      Actually this is not exclusive to Snowgrave. In the game's code, this can happen in normal attacks and other damaging spells too, if you remove the "run away when HP is 0" code from the game.

    • @Wobbmin
      @Wobbmin 2 года назад +1

      @@suckerman7gm oh that's really interesting

  • @CyoNearYou
    @CyoNearYou 2 года назад +40

    Never thought I'd hear the words "no psychologically munipulating raindeers"

  • @protol5683
    @protol5683 2 года назад +103

    Guys, I'm decently sure calling Noelle Angel is just a play on SNOW angels. Like laying down in the snow and waving your limbs around.

    • @Number1JettDawsonShrimp
      @Number1JettDawsonShrimp 2 года назад +23

      could also be related to those little angel Christmas ornaments that people sometimes put at the top of the tree

    • @omniscientomnipresent5500
      @omniscientomnipresent5500 2 года назад +14

      She made one with her sister that you can see at the hospital.

    • @GenericUsername136
      @GenericUsername136 2 года назад +13

      Her name is also Noelle Holiday, which in Noelle (from what I remember) means Christmas in French? I could easily be wrong though.

    • @omniscientomnipresent5500
      @omniscientomnipresent5500 2 года назад +21

      @@GenericUsername136 it's written Noël in French but that's the pun yeah. Rudy is like Rudolph, Santa's reender and Dess is december.

    • @20firebird
      @20firebird 2 года назад +5

      legitimately possible

  • @lpfan4491
    @lpfan4491 2 года назад +52

    I honestly believe the Twisted Sword is going to be the Keypiece in a "It's no longer you"-scenario where we throw away Kris as an individual for power, because the weapon retains the trance-ability of the thorn ring and that one piece of dialogue at 9:03 tells us that the ring is important enough to specifically reference.
    The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is...what would it even logically do? It would probably half the cost of all spells, but...Kris doesn't really have a lot of spells to half the price of, the only ones are locked to certain encounters. Maybe that is where the unused Rude Sword comes in, but having a copy of Rude Buster be the final "aha!" of a potential route would be kinda lame.

    • @johanhernandez745
      @johanhernandez745 2 года назад +2

      That doesn't make sense, you can only optain the Thorn Ring if you abort the route, and it lower the
      trance effect.

    • @lpfan4491
      @lpfan4491 2 года назад +11

      @@johanhernandez745 We don't know yet if we are permanently locked out of the ring when doing the route. Plus, yes, we can obtain the ring by aborting the route, what is your point?

    • @andremelo1670
      @andremelo1670 2 года назад

      What about a double bust with both Kris and Susie with Rude Busters.

    • @suckerman7gm
      @suckerman7gm 2 года назад +2

      Yeah, maybe we can play as Noelle again in the future, and get the ring back in favour of an even stronger ring...

    • @nachosanchez3623
      @nachosanchez3623 Год назад

      @@lpfan4491 His point was "Trance Down" woulod probably mean the opposite than "Trance", and not the same.

  • @brawlfan
    @brawlfan 2 года назад +29

    Fun fact: Flying-type Pokémon are weak to ice-type moves!

  • @ChestersonJack
    @ChestersonJack 3 года назад +39

    I’ve seen evidence of the computer room dialogue changes… The only thing is, I honestly can’t remember if it was a snowgrave-triggered change, but there was definitely something that altered the text when you look at the bottom right computer

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  3 года назад +17

      Coders checked, all items in room have only 1 text.

    • @ChestersonJack
      @ChestersonJack 3 года назад +7

      @@HalfBreadChaos Ah it was if you’d killed Spamton neo

    • @mlgwolvesmeep
      @mlgwolvesmeep 2 года назад +1

      @@ChestersonJack what was it

    • @WhoStoleKirya73
      @WhoStoleKirya73 2 года назад +11

      @@mlgwolvesmeep 6 months late but i believe if you didn't fight spamton neo the computer had email stuff open, but if you fought spamton neo the computer shows an error

  • @sploofmcsterra4786
    @sploofmcsterra4786 3 года назад +64

    Excellent quality video, best I've seen yet. To me all the hints indicate it's clear that unlike Undertale's genocide route, Fox wanted people to be able to discover this route even if they didn't search online.
    I do think we are going to continue to see this theme of Genocide Kris to be doing all their evil stuff behind the other protagonists' backs. Is it to avoid being detected by sans? Or perhaps to surprise Ralsei (given they believe in the legend, that would match up well with the idea that the Angel's Heaven is something that Kris is actually working to bring about).

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  3 года назад +50

      Perhaps but I get the feeling Kris is actually not in favor of Snowgrave route, given they are visibly shaken from performing it. Also there's the dialogue in the boss fight where "Kris" calls for Ralsie and Susie but "you" (the player) call for Noelle. Snowgrave might actually represent us possessing Kris, making Kris more like Frisk than Chara.
      Toby actually mentioned in the Deltarune stream that he deliberately made the game look like Undertale specifically to mess with expectations, in the same way he made Flowey appear like a "typical" tutorial npc in an RPG so he could flip that on it's head. So Kris resembling Chara (green/yellow clothes) might be further efforts towards that. (making us assume Kris is Chara when really he's more Frisk-like, if a bit of a prankster).
      But that's just my theory. : P I like your idea of this the characters themselves leaning into the legend like that. I'm excited to see how it all pans later. And now my cat is on my monitor so I must stop blind typing.

  • @justapeckneck
    @justapeckneck 2 года назад +13

    The "HAPPY NEW YEAR 1997" message is a reference to one of the first ever viruses, that simply was a pop-up, saying "happy new year 1997"

  • @Tangerine9407
    @Tangerine9407 2 года назад +27

    Yoo this is awesome! I caught the second one in my recommended, I have a weird infatuation with Spamton as a character.

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  2 года назад +9

      Oh man then have I got a channel for you lol.

    • @Tangerine9407
      @Tangerine9407 2 года назад +1

      @@HalfBreadChaos wait can you send it

  • @JezElectro13
    @JezElectro13 2 года назад +8

    i think Kris hate us for doing Snowgrave cuz everytime we can abort the run by choice its with "!". probably Kris is using all their power to at least show us They want to end the run.

  • @jfb-
    @jfb- 2 года назад +10

    The computer dialogue change is triggered by beating spamton neo (on either a normal run or a snowgrave run) - before, it says "someone is checking their emails", and after it says "it's crashed with a blue screen"

  • @JezElectro13
    @JezElectro13 Год назад +4

    i know this vid is 1 year old, but still: If you can use snowgrave, Berdly will start attacking Noelle

  • @allysonruiz3271
    @allysonruiz3271 2 года назад +9

    9 classmates (total, unless you kill berdly). 7 classmates (Susie and kris are on our team). 5 classmates (noelle and berdly, or noelle -berdly are on our team) . 5 classmates left. 5 chapters left.
    Someone else noticed this, i am not the person who originally noticed this. But i don't actually know who thought of this first, so just keep that in mind. i just wanted to share and maybe get some more theory talk going. I just wanted y'all to know :)

  • @parsifalkitty5109
    @parsifalkitty5109 2 года назад +14

    I just wanna say that at 7:56 when Noelle finishes her dialogue and you can move again, Kris looks at the camera and the fence that prevents you from falling makes them look like they have Chara's smile. When I was doing this run I caught this right before I moved since I was trying to figure out how Kris works when they face the camera after dialogue bits. To me it's like they are awaiting our input by directly looking at us. I really believe Toby did this on purpose for actively turning creatures into popsicles. Also I'm not sure if this is the same for the pacifist run I haven't checked in a while.

    • @softdroid1655
      @softdroid1655 Год назад +6

      wow thanks i hate it!! wish i hadn't seen that!!

    • @Flynnisthename
      @Flynnisthename 5 месяцев назад

      But Kris doesn’t like snowgrave all the evidence in the game seems like it points to them wanting to do literally anything else

  • @grayanddevpdx
    @grayanddevpdx 2 года назад +6

    The trash can dialogue is supposed to be that Kris self-reflects on the garbage after Snowgrave.

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  2 года назад +4

      Actually it's just Trashy. The darkner with no friends.

    • @grayanddevpdx
      @grayanddevpdx 2 года назад +1

      @@HalfBreadChaos I thought that the “No friends” part only appeared in Snowgrave. My bad!

  • @gsothegso
    @gsothegso 2 года назад +11

    chapter 1: make kris kill people (kinda)
    chapter 2: make noelle kill/freeze people
    chapter 3: make people kill/burn/freeze/whatever people

    • @ziongamer6905
      @ziongamer6905 2 года назад +7

      I expect every chapter with have them option to ruin our loved ones mental health

    • @ThePunchlineIs
      @ThePunchlineIs 2 года назад +7

      @@ziongamer6905 It's time to emotionally manipulate our mom to burn people 💪💪😍😍

    • @Crisp1Chip
      @Crisp1Chip 2 года назад +9

      @@ThePunchlineIs we gonna be making some fish n chips

    • @ThePunchlineIs
      @ThePunchlineIs 2 года назад +5

      @@Crisp1Chip Fish n BarneyFlesh

    • @Astr0idTheAstronaut
      @Astr0idTheAstronaut 2 года назад +1

      At the end of the chapter 2 cutscene, kris opens the door after Toriel calls the police and falls asleep. Then kris opens a fountain.. Since she called the police, undyne will probobly come into the new dark world. Since Toriel is your mom, she is very overprotective, she will do anything in her power to make sure you don't get hurt. You can probobly manipulate her to kill enemies and eventually... undyne. Toriel from undertale had a fire attack, so she will probobly burn enemies and undyne, who is prone to hot temperatures. You can make undyne into fish and chips.
      Also I stole this theory from someone else but I forgot their name lol.

  • @mybagisfull
    @mybagisfull 2 года назад +13

    My head cannon is that Noelle is an angel of death.

  • @D_YellowMadness
    @D_YellowMadness 2 года назад +3

    Jevil can do anything but he *won't* psychologically manipulate a reindeer into mass murder. That's just mean.
    Something I never considered: What if Kris isn't even hearing the voice & doesn't know what it's saying to her? I always figured the voice works like telepathy. If so, Kris might not hear it when it's talking to someone else, which means Kris doesn't know what's being said & therefore doesn't know why Noelle is suddenly committing mass murder or who she's gonna kill next but they lack the autonomy to talk her out of it.
    Imagine Kris seeing Berdly & hoping he'll stop her but then she reacts like Kris told her to murder Berdly even though Kris didn't say anything. Then Kris gets knocked out on purpose & wakes up to see Berdly dead anyway.
    I wonder what kind of narrative consequences sparing Berdly just to kill more enemies with Snowgrave could have. After all, it could be considered a morally worse choice since the body count is higher & you let Noelle think everything was okay for a moment just to then go right back to making her commit murder when Berdly was no longer around to see it.
    Plus, who's to say you can't just kill Berdly later? Kris knows where he goes to school & probably where he lives. Noelle obviously knows, at least. Kris could even send Noelle to Berdly's house to kill him without Kris needing to be there & it would just look like a natural disaster if done right.
    I wonder if the twisted sword will be a way for Kris to commit murder.

  • @cllncl
    @cllncl 2 года назад +30

    "Deltarune is free, and Undertale is so cheap it's practically free"
    Following that logic, i DIDN'T actually murder those 2 children in Moscow on october 16th in the morning

    • @lpfan4491
      @lpfan4491 2 года назад +3

      Huh?

    • @painslut
      @painslut 2 года назад

      @@lpfan4491
      It's because 2 children is almost 0 children, I think.

  • @klaser1695
    @klaser1695 2 года назад +6

    What if the angel is the deltarune
    Like the Icon thing it self
    The "O" is the head, the upside down ∆ is the arms/wings and the ∆ is the body?

    • @G00dTaste
      @G00dTaste 2 года назад

      That's called a Reverse Asriel Godmode

  • @elixd.x.l3342
    @elixd.x.l3342 2 года назад +5

    I wanna say a thing about the video of beating Undertale without dodging in pacifist run you made:
    You can actually level up to LV10 in the core before the true lab but to do that you have to make sure that you dated every main character (alphys too).
    Then go the CORE, kill monsters and level up to 10 and then go to the True Lab and keep going with your pacifist run without attacking anyone and BOOM, Asriel's fight becomes more easier!

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  2 года назад +1

      I thought monsters stop spawning when you backtrack after you Spare the main boss of the area?

    • @elixd.x.l3342
      @elixd.x.l3342 2 года назад

      @@HalfBreadChaos if you come back to the CORE After reaching New Home, monsters will start spawning again and you can also have time to date Undyne and Alphys.
      So you don't have to fight omega flowey at all.

  • @nekomaster1000
    @nekomaster1000 3 года назад +13

    Great video! Thank you for the clarification in areas :D

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  3 года назад +6

      :D Thanks. *48 views* If effort equaled views I'd [Be a Big Shot].
      edit: woah it doubled overnight, for my tiny little channel that's crazy
      later edit: Nevermind, lol views be piling faster than I can comprehend.

  • @klaser1695
    @klaser1695 2 года назад +5

    What if the angel is the deltarune
    Like the Icon thing it self
    The "O" is the head, the upside down ∆ is the arms/wings and the ∆ is the body?

    • @SniperOnSunday
      @SniperOnSunday 2 года назад +1

      I think it's a symbol of the Angel, but not the Angel itself.

  • @AdlerGamerPvP
    @AdlerGamerPvP 2 года назад +3

    Also yk the thorn ring making you always have 55 hp, the Roman number for 55 is LV

  • @Codefan321
    @Codefan321 2 года назад +5

    I suspect over the following chapters, more characters will be available to play as than Kris, Susie, Ralsei and Noelle

  • @pugjuice8462
    @pugjuice8462 2 года назад +7

    Coming from part 2, I'm glad there's more to watch!!

  • @ViddyOJames
    @ViddyOJames 2 года назад +5

    the trash can is trashy. i don't understand why people don't get that even after obsessively poring over every part of the game.

  • @Ahfuds
    @Ahfuds 2 года назад +13

    The snow/freezering trivia brings a theory to my mind. Noelle being the [ANGEL] I'm starting to think that no matter what path you take be it weird or even the normal path, she is either being given her heaven because of her calm and dismissive manner by having (Kris/yourself the player) push the others to think about Noelle and her wants and needs giver her the heaven she always wanted in the light world. /forced to make her own heaven in the weird this making her realize she has the power in the dark world make anything she wants happen. So either way she wins her heaven. I'm the light world or the dark world. Either way the end is coming and the only solution to the whole problem is to completely crushing Noelle's sprit so she no longer wants anything or to kill her so her wants can never manifest.... That's why in my opinion for either story birdly is drastically changed. He is no longer holding back Noelle's wants and need with his own on top. Either you change him and he leaves Noelle alone or she kills/cryogenicly freezes him and he leaves her alone. When someone else speaks for you, your true Intentions are never heard. Now though she is free and has her own voice to speak or to demand....

  • @WeirdKid361
    @WeirdKid361 2 года назад +2

    There's a weird thing with the subtitles right when the section about the Berdly fight is ending. It explains the weird Roulxls Karrd thing, and I don't know if it's purposeful or not

  • @DamageMaximo
    @DamageMaximo 2 года назад +5

    6:09 Also doesn't Catti call Noelle an angel?

    • @suckerman7gm
      @suckerman7gm 2 года назад

      She actually calls her "The light, walking in the night".

  • @CaliCosmicGal
    @CaliCosmicGal 2 года назад +3

    I always thought the Trash can was Trashy.

  • @oogaboogastik2288
    @oogaboogastik2288 2 года назад +4

    Did anyone notice a tiny bill cipher at the top?

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  2 года назад +7

      Bill's my mouse pointer. I always forget to click "hide mouse pointer" on my capture device and also I think he's it's funny to have him there so I just never bother to fix it lol.

  • @duane6386
    @duane6386 2 года назад +3

    I think the trash can in the computer lab is Trashy

  • @qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa
    @qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa 2 года назад +2

    I hope youtube lets me comment this time
    I got the virovirokun happy new year dialogue on my pacifist route
    It's a reference to the happy new year 1999 virus, but spamp tong year instead

    • @qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa
      @qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa 2 года назад

      Wooo my comment worked I've been trying for fuckinf w e e k s

  • @GooseandSquid
    @GooseandSquid 2 года назад +1

    always thought The Angel was Asriel Dreemurr cause he says he is the God of Hyperdeath and the Angel of Death i think

  • @i_am_a_cursor8403
    @i_am_a_cursor8403 2 года назад +3

    Kinda sad that cuz of the inflation cant get undertale

    • @ivythay4259
      @ivythay4259 2 года назад +1

      Hopefully a foreign friend can gift you the game?

    • @KalypsoLemon
      @KalypsoLemon 2 года назад

      @@ivythay4259 Steam doesn't let people gift games that are cheaper in their country to people from other parts of the world

  • @Average_Moldovan_User
    @Average_Moldovan_User 2 года назад +3

    *Undertale is baisically free*
    *_cries in parents that dont let me spen money on games_*

  • @SuperHGB
    @SuperHGB 11 месяцев назад +1

    5:38 this reads like someone explaining puberty

  • @StarshadowMelody
    @StarshadowMelody 2 года назад +1

    >practically free
    >ten bucks
    Yeah I don't think so buddy

  • @linootin8803
    @linootin8803 2 года назад +2

    just want to talk to you about undertale without doging. I was able to do it to. I also managed to get past the mad dummy without using bisicles.

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  2 года назад +1

      Nice!

    • @linootin8803
      @linootin8803 2 года назад +1

      *looks at comment*
      *looks at channel name*
      AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
      (About the bisicle mad dummy, some guy beat this before me, but had to restart due to dog salad not being enough. Also, I did this entire playthrough on pasifist.)

  • @yeetman826
    @yeetman826 2 года назад +2

    2:13
    aw man

  • @Ghosttoast_yum
    @Ghosttoast_yum 2 года назад +1

    Somthing ive noticed is that after the mouse puzzle Kris turns to the camera as they often do but the way they turn against the fence makes it look like they're smiling

  • @Greatwolfpearl123
    @Greatwolfpearl123 2 года назад +2

    I love watching your videos. I don’t care if it is text to speech, the robot voice is pretty nice to listen to anyway!

  • @JoelTheParrot
    @JoelTheParrot 2 года назад +1

    Another reason that Noelle is related to religious themes and the angel and stuff is that, from her name, to her design, to her species, to her family, she is related to Christmas, and thus Christ, and thus Jesus, and thus religion. This is also why she says "Gosh" instead of using the lord's name in veign like other characters do (Though I've also heard that this is in relation to using God's name to benefit wrongfully or something? Still, the idea is there.)
    BTW why is the part about completing the crafting 100% cut, reduced to quick subtitles?

  • @anonymouserror4047
    @anonymouserror4047 2 года назад +1

    Bruh I never knew spamton had a shop and that I could interact with him further after the fight

  • @DominikPac-Boy
    @DominikPac-Boy 2 года назад +1

    Happy new year is a computer virus fyi.

  • @Aniioj
    @Aniioj 2 года назад +2

    What's the name of the music at the start of the video, I've seen it a bunch, but don't know the name

    • @blueispaniard6513
      @blueispaniard6513 2 года назад +1

      The song is called "A CYBER'S WORLD?".
      ruclips.net/video/Xb1zr2QqzcM/видео.html

    • @sumans7620
      @sumans7620 2 года назад

      I know I’m 10 months Late, but the Music is “A Cyber’s World”, By Toby Fox, From the Deltarune Chapter 2 Album
      (You probably Knew the last two things Already, just making sure there’s no Ambiguity)
      Link to Said Track (Extended):
      ruclips.net/video/yoC9P8Bsa_k/видео.html

  • @mekafinchi
    @mekafinchi 2 года назад +2

    This is the best TTS channel I've ever found

  • @citrufruit
    @citrufruit 2 года назад +1

    "so cheap its practically free, so no excuses"
    have you ever considered not having a job

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  2 года назад

      Fair point. The worst thing about content creation, is I can't "fix" videos once they're published.
      The newer disclaimer is "play it, or at least watch a let's play" since Let's Plays (at time of writing) are still free.

  • @blacklight683
    @blacklight683 2 года назад +1

    14:00look! My dad when he wanted to get the milk for winter

  • @jiakk9198
    @jiakk9198 2 года назад +1

    Bigshot 1997 commercial from Mike Ditka

  • @chimitrash2966
    @chimitrash2966 2 года назад +1

    4:16 so that's what that was

  • @emireri2387
    @emireri2387 2 года назад +1

    i have a excuse and that is me getting scared by a spider in my room while playing undertale (like when was 2016 etc) dad thought it was the game xd

  • @wcat03blu
    @wcat03blu 2 года назад +1

    What tts do you use? It's really nice

  • @supremechaosbeing2696
    @supremechaosbeing2696 2 года назад +2

    people are talking about how noelle is the angel or something. The angel is also a part of monster religion.
    picturing noelle saying "KRIS I'M JESUS"

  • @TheBobmaker
    @TheBobmaker 2 года назад +1

    I have my excuse to not buy Undetale.
    i live in latinamerica

  • @XXisotopeXX
    @XXisotopeXX Месяц назад

    2:14 Kris talks to a girl in the snowgrave route. So now i know to never talk to girls irl! Thanks halfbreadchaos!

  • @realawesomeos
    @realawesomeos 2 года назад +1

    people said snowgrave is hard to follow but its really not, only the boss is hard

  • @JezElectro13
    @JezElectro13 2 года назад +1

    about previous video (no Moving Undertale SOUL): as it said it is not "Not clicking arrow keys" beacuse... yeah good luck with that... and you don't need to move yourself in quiz to fail... actually (beacuse it is quiz) you cannot do anything there in Fight that will help so it is NOT count...

    • @CraftIP
      @CraftIP 2 года назад

      i don't understand why you're commenting under this video though...

    • @JezElectro13
      @JezElectro13 2 года назад +1

      @@CraftIP beacuse it is newest at that time

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  2 года назад

      I do recommend commenting under the video you're actually referring to. It's true it might "get lost in the sea of comments," but after a day or so there isn't any increase in likelihood that I'll see it between the "latest video" and the relevent one. (And there's a decreased chance I'll respond since I don't want to clutter the comments with irrelevant conversation)

    • @JezElectro13
      @JezElectro13 2 года назад +1

      @@HalfBreadChaos ok

  • @animatedxool2319
    @animatedxool2319 2 года назад +6

    The snow globe is a refference to her attack

  • @andriybrine1188
    @andriybrine1188 2 года назад +1

    You need to talk in the roalrtcoster to get the genocide run

  • @Syamakrsnadasa108
    @Syamakrsnadasa108 Год назад +1

    What is the cool mixtape remix at 0:51

  • @ospreykun2566
    @ospreykun2566 2 года назад

    "Seriously bruh, no psychologically manipulating rain dears"
    -bread

  • @Chaotic_Overlord
    @Chaotic_Overlord 3 года назад +2

    Hey could I ask something that Is kind of related to snowgrave?

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  3 года назад

      Go for it.

    • @Chaotic_Overlord
      @Chaotic_Overlord 3 года назад

      @@HalfBreadChaos Basically in case there will be like a new snowgrave route in chapter 3 how do I make It so my game knows I am on that Path. Cause my game no matter what Keeps doing only the 1st options that I did in my 1st save file of chapter 1 and Is moving It over all my chapter 2 slots. For example if I picked the chalk option with Noelle in chapter 1 It still did that in all my files even If I didnt want It to do that

    • @HalfBreadChaos
      @HalfBreadChaos  3 года назад +1

      @@Chaotic_Overlord I think when you start a new file on chapter 2 it asks you which saved file to draw that data from but if you're worried you could always back up your deltarune save folder to another location each time you do a different run? www.gameskinny.com/tq4q0/deltarune-guide-save-file-locations-of-chapter-1-and-2
      To be honest I struggle with this too though so, I'm probably not the best to ask lol.

    • @Chaotic_Overlord
      @Chaotic_Overlord 3 года назад

      @@HalfBreadChaosThanks

    • @Chaotic_Overlord
      @Chaotic_Overlord 3 года назад +1

      @@HalfBreadChaos Oh wait I picked the continue from chapter 1 option (I never picked It cause I thought It would delete my chapter 1 save file) and while I still got the chalk item. (For some reason) but I got the Lancer dialouge Saying that I used Attack in my past playtrough. So yeah now It all makes sense. Sorry for I didnt know that. (Now Just Need to fight the king 2 more times and to do chapter 2 three times...)

  • @thatguystar817
    @thatguystar817 2 года назад

    Wait is the mini bill cipher at 3:37 your courser or however the hell you spell it

  • @RealmsCrossMyths
    @RealmsCrossMyths 2 года назад

    The waste bin dialogue might be a reference to the waste bin NPC… I don't think you meet them if you complete the weird route (I don't know for sure. I like game lore and such, but UT and DR are not currently games we feel like playing); but if you *only* recruit Queen, the waste bin NPC shows up to say they're there - at least from what I've seen in other lore videos.

  • @leep3261
    @leep3261 3 года назад +1

    I think if you have thorn ring wutg biekke her health drains

    • @SniperOnSunday
      @SniperOnSunday 2 года назад +3

      Did you have a stroke in the middle of that?

  • @GooseandSquid
    @GooseandSquid 2 года назад

    Wait... If Noelle is a reindeer? THEN HOW THE HECK IS SHE AFRAID OF SANTA?

  • @BlankGuyStudios
    @BlankGuyStudios 6 месяцев назад

    7:44 yes Ralsei, I am proposing

  • @henroneestudio
    @henroneestudio 2 года назад

    is your mouse bill cipher?

  • @percycreeper2733
    @percycreeper2733 2 года назад +6

    After the Snowgrave Spamtin Fight when you act to call for help, the first 4 times are "Kris called for help..." and the last one is "You wispered Noelles name". This is the first time that KRIS actually did something instead of the PLAYER doing it for him!!!

  • @Стенька_Пианист
    @Стенька_Пианист 2 года назад

    In new beta patch SnowGrave is no more for use on mauses.

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 Год назад

    Unsure if I watched this before, but visiting it now. Better late than never, right? I just noticed that at 3:33, Noelle at least implies she's seen the Festival's Ferris Wheel, & thus, presumably also the Festival itself. Vexing, how much we know that other characters seem to.
    4:53 Oh yeah. I do wonder if the Cyberworld is meant to be outdated compared to the "real" world in Deltarune. A laptop seems too new for 1997 but it being "state-of-the-art" makes it seem too old
    Anyway, neat video looking into all of this! Thanks for uploading!

  • @r4sbery
    @r4sbery 2 года назад

    d.ogg, or the music that plays during the battle with Berdly in this route is so unnerving. i dont know if its just because of the context, but something about just hearing a short part of Berdly’s theme with like half the instruments and melody removed in this scene is extremely freaky

    • @r4sbery
      @r4sbery 2 года назад

      shit wait im mixing up two audios I think. The one that sounds like berdly’s theme but with parts removed is something else that plays during this run i think? But d.ogg was what i meant. d.ogg is scary

  • @thegane9706
    @thegane9706 2 года назад

    2:19 but he can do anything

  • @Samgamez29
    @Samgamez29 2 года назад +3

    ON SPAMTON IS CAUSE HE WAS A DAMN PUPPET THE PUPPET MASTER MIKE IS ANGEL OR HEAVEN HE TALK ABOUT AND O0o0O0Oo0O0Oo0o0o0OoO0oO0

  • @bartowo
    @bartowo 2 года назад

    I didnt solve the mouse puzzles originally. Wasnt nice to noelle either, she's just kinda bulliable and the options the game gives you are so rude i think its funny how rude it is hahaha (but not with ralsei, never with ralsei)

  • @Sento404
    @Sento404 2 года назад

    Isn’t there the angel of death or something in Deltarune? Or is it Undertale? I don’t really know, I think it is the turtle in waterfall if you ask him about the symbol. He will say something about an angel of death. I think that is what that is about. Somewhere, in either game, I remember an angel of death.

  • @Ajdin_1103
    @Ajdin_1103 Год назад

    9.99€ ain't cheap

  • @BokuNoDensetsuNoHoshi
    @BokuNoDensetsuNoHoshi 2 года назад +1

    *And bani*

  • @MFS_Is_His_Own
    @MFS_Is_His_Own 2 года назад +2

    "Undertale is so cheap"
    Me, an Xbox player with Game Pass Ultimate: Are you sure about that.
    For those who don't play Xbox, basically UT is free with Game Pass.

  • @func_e
    @func_e 2 года назад

    I'm so dang excited for Deltarune Chapter 3

  • @theguywhoruinsthejoke9027
    @theguywhoruinsthejoke9027 2 года назад

    What happens if you spare people in the Mansion?

  • @RealMashups2009
    @RealMashups2009 Год назад

    at around 4:47 you got the fact wrong. Virovirokun can say that in any run.

  • @15_pieces_of_friedtoast
    @15_pieces_of_friedtoast Год назад

    2:00 well WELL WHY WOULD I WANNA WATCH NOW!?!?!?!?!?!?

  • @bartowo
    @bartowo 2 года назад

    Little sponge is so randomyl really funny