Matt Dickey that's funny.I remember the woman who plays Susie on curb said that after every season of curb that Larry said he doesn't know if curb will be back
But it's the uncertainty that lead him to such greatness. Because he was never quite sure of himself, he pushed himself constantly to be better. That's how such a legend was forged, I feel.
Also, I love Larry's honesty about how he felt after the show went on without him and about returning to the show to voice Steinbrenner. It's that kind of honesty that helped make the show so great.
Whether Larry realizes it or not he has made life easier to take and has brought a lot of joy to many many people. He put a lot of pressure on himself and I just want to say to him "Thank you for the gifts"..... Every night that I sat down to a Seinfeld episode was like unwrapping a gift and not being disappointing over its contents. Great Job Larry!!
Dude it HAS GOT TO BE the worst feeling Larry had when he was driving through the gate. The security has to get approval to let him in, to the studio he built...
AMAZING that Larry co-creates one of the biggest shows of all time, everyone who works there credits him with its success... he leaves (most likely to fade into oblivion)... but then goes on to create and star in another HUGE success that stands on its own !? THAT is true creative genius.
and then there's Curb, and Larry's constant royalties of hundreds of millions of dollars. Wait a little longer before you buy into your favorite story.
I love Larry David, he really is a comedic genius, a brilliant writer and visionary. Humble beginnings, a nobody from New York who struggled with success, only to co-create the greatest sitcom of all time and resent it. That’s Larry.
You can really see the character of George in Mr. David in this interview. The way he felt when writing, while Seinfeld was being done with out him, is exactly how George would have put it. Thank you Mr. Larry David for everything you put into this great show! George is truly you. Every episode I watch from here on out I shall see with a whole new respect for your writing, creative talent and honesty. You Sir, are a gem that I shall cherish in TV for the rest of my days! With my deepest respect I thank you!
+TickleMeShlomo Depends on your gauge of which were the "funniest" episodes. Going off rating, many are Larry David or Larry Charles to a much smaller extent.
+TickleMeShlomo Not for me man. The funniest is all the crazy stuff that happened to Larry in RL that he brought in Seinfeld shows were the best for me
No.. his tone changed a bit. Like another commenter said, everyone's distinct personality became amplified. George's anger & energy were dialed to 11. I feel like many people who think 8 & 9 define Seinfeld haven't seen all the earlier seasons..
It happens to all sitcoms in their later seasons, it's hard to write for a character that has evolved into someone the audience feels like they know personally.
The thing, even in shows where the writers do stay for the whole thing, if the show is long running the characters will change. Look at friends. They had 10 seasons, they had all the original writers for all 10 seasons. Joey in season 1 was totally different from Joey in season 10
He's right, George became a cartoon in the last couple seasons. As a 30something short chubby bald guy I feel a definite kinship with George and the difference is obvious between season 7 and season 8
It certainly had a way different feel though, as well as becoming much more surreal and absurd (but still hilarious). Jerry was very smart to end it at 9 though.
I agree but I actually never knew this about Larry leaving. This explains Georges character changes so much. The Susan stuff. Honestly thats where the character lost all appeal for me. He was just a sociopathic asshole. Lost all that subtlety and nuance. Where you hate his guts but he makes you laugh. Last 2 seasons he seemed very generic.
The last two seasons are actually some of my favorites. With all due respect to the great Larry David, I think by season 8 the crew of writers and actors had become such a well-oiled machine that they managed to pull it off without him. Some of Larry's trademark dialogue was missing and the characters felt more cartoonish but the ideas and plot lines were as funny and creative as ever. You could tell they were still having lots of fun with the show. "The Bizarro Jerry" and "The Betrayal" are two of the finest episodes imo.
I love Larry David, and as opposed to most of the comments here, I think Jerry and the team did a great job after he left. I don't notice any quality degrade after Larry's departure. All Seinfeld's episodes are a gem. I really think no sitcom can ever top or even come close to this gem of a show.
Well... As much as I love Seinfeld i'd say for me Married with Children, Malcolm in The Middle, Sanford and Son, All in The Family, The Jeffersons, Barney Miller, Night Court, Frasier, Golden Girls, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Hogan's Heroes, Everybody Loves Raymond etc. all pretty much give Seinfeld a run for its money. But I just love all these shows tbh lol.
Yeah the last two seasons are still good, but they were less Seinfeld than the Larry stuff. Had they continued, the show would have gradually become unrecognizable as Seinfeld.
Larry has eclipsed Jerry in the 2000's. I always sensed that he was a little resentful not to be a part of the onscreen "golden four" in Seinfeld so he created his own classic with Curb where he gets to be the center of attention.
I don't think it necessarily has to be resentment, which has a much more negative connotation to it, than it could be simply Larry's sensibilities changing as he got older. As he and Jerry have explained, it was literally never even a consideration when creating the show that Larry would have any sort of on camera role, even though George was largely based on himself. Larry had no interest whatsoever in performing, and thru the era of the show he obviously was wealthy and knew he had plenty of respect in the comedy world (as much as a person like him is able to acknowledge that anyone else respects him, anyway lol). He got his time away from the rat race of it all, got the opportunity to still pursue his comedy voice in a more "unleashed" way, and by then it felt far more natural to just do it himself. The whole point of Curb is the loose performance aspect of it all more so than the writing of it, so it wouldn't make sense to yet again hire an actor to play "the Larry part".
Anyone who doesn't think that Larry David isn't susceptible to feelings of insecurity, pettiness and resentment over slights hasn't been paying attention. Stars in the public eye get a lot more adoration and acclaim than behind the scenes guys. I'm sure it played on Larry's ego when he saw the "fab four" become icons while no one hardly knew him in the 90's. He probably thought, "Why not me? I'm as good as them" and he proved it in the 2000's with Curb.
From 5:00 to 6:10 (when you see him basically snap out of his story telling mode) is one of the most authentic LD monologues; without even noticing it, he briefly sucks the viewer in one of his typical thought processes and describes a typical LD reaction - the man is a real genius.
You can tell a difference in the show with Larry's departure. For me, it proves how valuable he really was. Those last couple of seasons weren't very creative and despite still being #1 in ratings, each episode just became more outrageous than the next. It was much better when there was more dialogue, and that lacked the last couple of seasons. I also loved when 'Seinfeld' had an "arc" for each season.
I can't say the last season were bad. but the phasing was bad for sure. Too many stories in really short time, all felt rushed. Many new characthers on each single episodes and even if they were interesting they lasted for really short time. Last season felt a little bit different tho, the phasing was a little bit better.
Larry gets a lot of the credit for the quality of the writing, and rightly so. But I think the last two seasons proved Jerry was no slug in the storytelling department.
Larry David is a pure comedic genius. As Jerry talked him into not leaving the show every year, you would say that Jerry is a very persuasive person, he talks people into anything, but Larry says, Jerry should have a job talking people out of suicide. This is just a small example of his pure humor genius. Curb should really be back after Fish In The Dark, the Broadway show Larry's doing next 6 months.
Recently it occurred to me that I have a special fondness for creative partnerships that are also enduring friendships. When Terry Jones died (January 2020) I was, as a Monty Python and Terry Jones fan, saddened. And when I saw Terry J's writing partner and great friend Michael Palin become understandably upset as he paid tribute to Terry, that sadness deepened. But there was also something beautiful about it. Well over half a century went by and Mikey and Terry J still loved each other and enjoyed each other's company. I have the same fond feeling when I see Larry and Jerry together. They're still friends and it will likely stay that way. It's very sweet, and not as common a situation as we'd like.
Larry David shutting down the show, pulling out, making his own moves without acknowledging the repercussions of how everyone else feels, on the cusp and height of success; is SUCH a Larry David move.
His comic genius put it all together...the writers, the commitment to work late hours editing, rewriting....I don't think there is a show out there that has such dedicated writers/editors today. Guys, that want the jokes to flow from scene to scene, year to year like this show did for the all those fantastic years. Amazing man that put out a idea so clear that others could embrace it without him coming back to re-directing their work.
For the butthurt Larry David purists... sure the show was different when Larry left, but was still funnier than most sitcoms on at the time... and don't forget... Larry came back to write the finale and that episode was destroyed by fans and critics alike. So nobody's perfect... just be happy the overall legacy of the show, one of the best Comedies of the past 25 years
Medalion the show was still funny when he left but was getting sillier and sillier. almost cartoon like towards the end. Larry brought a grounding to most of his Seinfeld work that he has continued on curb
I know that feeling Larry was describing as he had to read lines which he didn't write. I left a band that I had played in for 6 years. Then one time they asked me to play a couple of shows with them as the drummer was away for a family matter. It was music from a new album. It was drum parts which I didn't write. I did feel a strong sense of not belonging. It's an ugly feeling. Has anyone else experienced that feeling?
larry david is a hilarious neurotic, i noticed the difference when he left, (i wasn't aware he left until now) but the show seemed to lose some of it's edginess, personally i started to lose interest towards the end. jerry is a great writer and has this amazing confidence, but he lacks the debilitating insecurities that larry had (has), and nothing is funnier than someone who is hanging on for the ride rather than controlling it.
Well, here's how I see it. Jerry's a great writer on his own and Larry is a great writer on his own but together they were simply magic and even though Jerry did his best and there were still classic episodes the last two seasons: "The Yada Yada", "The Little Kicks", "The Comeback" "The Chicken Roaster" "Festivus" etc. the consistency of the high quality of seasons 4-7 was sort of lost when Larry left because without him the yin didn't have his yang
Very nicely put, hanging on for the ride is perfect description of Larry's attutude to social norms and social queues. Hence why Curb is literally Larry's continuous battle with society's rules. It's just great
I was a fan of Jerry before the Seinfeld chronicles first aired, so I was excited hearing he had his own show. I remember being a little underwhelmed after watching it and thinking the George character was a little too Woody Allenish. This is a testament to Jason Alexander and Larry both as Jason learned quickly that the George character was indeed Larry. You can watch how quickly George morphs into Larry through his mannerisms and voice. The show uses from real life Jerry’s old girlfriend Elaine (based on comedian Elaine Boozer) and Kramer (Larry’s old friend Kenny Kramer.) It was genius adding all of the other supporting roles (Neuman, Peterman, Mr. Pitt, etc.) to really round out the ongoing story. I’d love to know who came up with what. However I also did note the change in George without Larry’s guidance, it was still good, just different. Jerry probably realized after 3 seasons without Larry’s input regarding George, the possibility of the show becoming stagnant? Who knows? All I know is that I don’t believe there will ever be another comedy as funny as Seinfeld. Talk about lightning in a bottle, it was just genius.
Larry David’s honesty is scary and great. I see myself, at different times in my life feeling these ways and things. But just that he uses his experiences so well in writing and acting 🎭
They did a REALLY good job without him, don't let it be unknown. Next decade Larry proved he was the shit ("Curb" killed and everything else kinda sucked,) but Seinfeld seasons 8-9 are fucking great.
@@gibberconfirm166 what are you talking about?? Curb is a great show. It's like a Seinfeld spinoff but it isn't. It's like from Georges perspective of life.
I always wondered why he left Seinfeld, it’s interesting to see it explained here. You really do need to hear accounts from multiple people to understand, because it was one of those decisions based on complicated feelings. It seems like he felt trapped, but also loved the show/writers, but also maybe felt like it was time to move on to other things and make a name for himself. I’m sure petty annoyances and grievances had built up over time as well.
Many of the *worst* episodes were definitely written after Larrys departure. And as Jason said; George changed. Or the whole tone, it turned more aggressive somehow.
Yes very different show. Much more like Jerry’s personality: childlike and cartoonish. But it was fun seeing them go out that way. It fit somehow that they all got larger than life
@@natediggitydog8 It became more surreal, like the episode where Kramer and Jerry switch apartments and their personalities switch....that wouldn't have happened with Larry there.
The show was still good after he left, just different. It's kind of like when dave mirkin took over as showrunner for the simpsons. He brought more of the surreal nature, and a made it a little bit more outlandish, but I love his seasons the most. I'm glad seinfeld did end when it did before it could become a mockery and abhorrent like the simpsons have been for years.
+Andrew Holmes seasons 5 and 6 are definitely top notch, and make a strong case for being the simpsons' peak in my book. i really wish they'd have called it quits after season 8, and went out with one of the best quality show runs in history. too bad groening is deceiving himself into believing they're writing their best material now, and have no reason to stop. that, or they're just greedy. *sigh*
I think Simpsons should have finished around the 12th season. They started to become too topical and include modern references, in a show that takes a year to write & animate, the jokes dated incredibly fast. The quality certainly went down after the 7th or 8th season, but it became really apparent that the best writers and best ideas were behind them, I think around 2000/01. Groening should have called it quits after Futurama got established and let South Park and Family Guy do the "edgy" and "topical" humour, because they didn't start out trying to be a classic family sitcom, only animated.
@Pepe Lucho while I wouldn't say the last few seasons were necessarily bad, far from it and are the final two seasons still better than any sitcom airing today? Yes, definitely. But there was certainly a huge difference in quality after Larry David left. While still funny the final two seasons weren't as consistently funny as it was before. Jerry did a great job overall and like I said there were still some very funny episodes and the actors were still doing great work but it just wasn't the same and George's character wasn't the same without Larry who George is based on to have that expert handle on the character
while i don't doubt that seinfeld contributed a heap of genius to the show i think this shows that larry david is and was the supreme mastermind writer of the show. he started curb your enthusiasm and it is an awesome show, leaves seinfeld after 7 seasons then continues to do another 8 seasons of curb your enthusiasm… i mean i love jerry but he only pulled off 2 seasons of seinfeld by himself. larry went on to put on 8 more of a brand new show. comedic genius.
Jerry went back to his stand-up comedy. I give him credit for that. Most stand up comics turned tv stars never go back to the stand up. Instead they try to become movie stars (see Robin Williams, Tim Allen, Steve Martin, etc.)
This is what happens when you put your heart and soul into something. You can only maintain that kind of intensity for so long. This is why the show really lost something after Susan died. It particularly lost those uncomfortable moments (the dark side of Seinfeld, as I like to call it) with which we could all connect and became more slapstick humor.
2:15 Soooo true. George became such a caricature in later seasons. Felt like less talented writers trying imitate someone else’s work. George just screamed constantly and was always dialed up to 11.
I don't want to upset anyone but when I watched the show the first time round, I thought the last season or two were really quite "miss" (as opposed to "hit"). I think _Curb_ proved Larry's magic beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I agree. To some degree, while it was smarter when Larry was there, the show opened up a bit more when he left and went places I don't think earlier seasonds would've
Yet when Larry received his Laurel Award, he acknowledged that without Jerry Seinfeld picking him as the co-creator of Seinfeld, he'd be sitting near some steam vent on 44th Street. I think, by and large, that the success of Seinfeld comes down to Jerry's ability to pick the right people. And MAN was Larry the right one!
While Larry was talking about the actors onset, I imagined the cast in NYC. Then he mentioned Castle Rock, (Beverly Hills) which is probably just mere blocks from the Seinfeld set.
There are definitely early, middle, and late Seinfeld periods with distinctive flavors. There are great episodes and not-so-great ones in all three. I like the middle years best, because the characters were well established, the actors had found their grooves, and it was a hit by now, so they could push the envelope, but it was still "grounded." However, it seems that seasons 8 and 9 have risen in reputation since they were initially aired. People quote them all the time. I think a lot of young budding comedy writers were influenced even by those late Seinfelds. You can see their madcap style in some later series. Larry's CYE has changed over nine seasons too. I can't imagine that episode with the Revolutionary War reenactment taking place in seasons 1-3. The part about Larry resenting being expected to thank the guy for his service, sure, but not the crazy set piece it turns into.
If you have the seen the show as much as I have, you can really tell the difference in the post-Larry episodes. I personally think he should have ridden the wave all the way, but oh well. There are funny and even classic episodes from the post-Larry era, too.
It's just a matter of opinion of how we viewed the seasons after his departure. I loved all the seasons...Each episode still had great one liners after he left, in my opinion.
One of my all-time favorite episodes was in season #8. I'm talking about the episode when Mickey and Kramer went on the double-date with the twins. That was the yada-yada episode. I think that was one of the best episodes ever. Some of the episodes in the final season were a little silly and not quite as good as the earlier years. But I think the yada-yada episode in season #8 was a classic.
I used to think the quality of Seinfeld dropped when Larry left. Upon rewatch on Netflix, it actually started to decline in Larry’s last 2 seasons. Still some great moments, but it started to get too goofy and cartoonish. That being said, I love Larry and the show.
i would imagine that the characters had been established,they had their own characters and back stories..not that it made it any easier as the bar was set pretty high...jerry and the other writers did a fantastic job...the show was always first class.x
The show definitely lost something after Larry left. I think the pinnacle of the show was probably seasons 4-6. 7 was still good, but you could kind of feel that more zany tone starting to creep in a bit, and then in seasons 8-9 that's when everything just felt like it was turned up to 11. Everyone felt more like a caricature of themselves and the situations they found themselves in were just way more over the top. Still enjoy those seasons and think they're funny, but I think the earlier seasons were better and more akin to what the show was and should be.
Season 7, I think, is probably the best season of Seinfeld, especially if you binge watch the whole season. It’s really clever. So maybe Larry David knew when to leave.
Larry being kept waiting at the gate of the show he created is the ultimate George Costanza moment.
That should be an episode!
Like the restaurant episode.
That’s a SHOW!!
Personally, him getting mad that they're doing the show without him after he quit is the ultimate Costanza moment haha
The security personnel telling him to wait, him making the face and raising his hands and the curb music playing in the background...
I love how Larry always regrets every decision he makes in life. But it always works out for him.
the lovable neurotic.
Matt Dickey
that's funny.I remember the woman who plays Susie on curb said that after every season of curb that Larry said he doesn't know if curb will be back
But it's the uncertainty that lead him to such greatness. Because he was never quite sure of himself, he pushed himself constantly to be better. That's how such a legend was forged, I feel.
hes my anti hero
That's the kind of artist I want to be, someone who creates first and questions it later.
Also, I love Larry's honesty about how he felt after the show went on without him and about returning to the show to voice Steinbrenner. It's that kind of honesty that helped make the show so great.
mobus1603 yeah how good was that bit at the end
Whether Larry realizes it or not he has made life easier to take and has brought a lot of joy to many many people. He put a lot of pressure on himself and I just want to say to him "Thank you for the gifts"..... Every night that I sat down to a Seinfeld episode was like unwrapping a gift and not being disappointing over its contents. Great Job Larry!!
Exactly
tru dat, i still rewatch clips on youtube, funniest show ever made
Well said
Very well said!
I hope he sees this. He really made a lot of people happy with his show. Me included.
larry is so authentic in this. lovely to see someone be so honest about difficult times.
Every genius is a weirdo but not every weirdo is a genius
@Nelson Robert Willis Same bro, same
Love that..great format
Takes one to know one.
I like that.
That’s heavy man...but so true😂
I love how the writers and seinfeld talk about larry david like he was their dad guiding them through the making of this sitcom.
You can say that again.
Larry never wanted to do even 1 episode, so I'd say pretty good? pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty good
😂 😂
This guy's life is Curb lmao
Dude it HAS GOT TO BE the worst feeling Larry had when he was driving through the gate. The security has to get approval to let him in, to the studio he built...
playz
I'm sure his hundreds of millions of dollars helped cushion it.
i think the multi millions he made and relief he felt probably made up for it....ha ha ha
Studio he built? Huh?
built studio he?
He studio built
Larry and Jerry are truly the Lennon/McCartney of TV sitcoms and comedy in general.
AMAZING that Larry co-creates one of the biggest shows of all time, everyone who works there credits him with its success...
he leaves (most likely to fade into oblivion)...
but then goes on to create and star in another HUGE success that stands on its own !?
THAT is true creative genius.
and then there's Curb, and Larry's constant royalties of hundreds of millions of dollars.
Wait a little longer before you buy into your favorite story.
Alexander Salmas He's talking about Curb when he said he created a new successful show...
Jeremiah James Yes, that makes sense. I don't even know what I meant in my original comment. Wtf
Alexander Salmas Haha, all good. I've definitely slipped up on more than a few comments before.
5:35 the stages of grief unintentionally explained by Larry David.
Larry's a genius. And I still get a kick out of watching his interviews, because I just adore him and his connections with George. What a show!
I love Larry David, he really is a comedic genius, a brilliant writer and visionary. Humble beginnings, a nobody from New York who struggled with success, only to co-create the greatest sitcom of all time and resent it. That’s Larry.
You can really see the character of George in Mr. David in this interview. The way he felt when writing, while Seinfeld was being done with out him, is exactly how George would have put it. Thank you Mr. Larry David for everything you put into this great show! George is truly you. Every episode I watch from here on out I shall see with a whole new respect for your writing, creative talent and honesty. You Sir, are a gem that I shall cherish in TV for the rest of my days! With my deepest respect I thank you!
regretting quitting, then getting back to work and not feeling the same, even the gate thing. All perfect george material.
The last 2 seasons were good for sure but David wrote all the classics
+Ryan Lipinski actually a lot of the funniest episodes were written by other writers
+TickleMeShlomo Depends on your gauge of which were the "funniest" episodes. Going off rating, many are Larry David or Larry Charles to a much smaller extent.
+Ryan Lipinski larry wrote some classics, but wasn't 'the strike' a late period classic?
+TickleMeShlomo Not for me man. The funniest is all the crazy stuff that happened to Larry in RL that he brought in Seinfeld shows were the best for me
+Mig TheFig Larry david should never left after season 7
Jason Alexander: “I anticipated that it wouldn't be quite the same character and I think it wasn't quite the same character."
No.. his tone changed a bit. Like another commenter said, everyone's distinct personality became amplified. George's anger & energy were dialed to 11. I feel like many people who think 8 & 9 define Seinfeld haven't seen all the earlier seasons..
It happens to all sitcoms in their later seasons, it's hard to write for a character that has evolved into someone the audience feels like they know personally.
The thing, even in shows where the writers do stay for the whole thing, if the show is long running the characters will change. Look at friends. They had 10 seasons, they had all the original writers for all 10 seasons. Joey in season 1 was totally different from Joey in season 10
He's right, George became a cartoon in the last couple seasons. As a 30something short chubby bald guy I feel a definite kinship with George and the difference is obvious between season 7 and season 8
@meaturama idiot
Season 8 & 9 still had some really good and funny episodes. While LD is awesome I still believe that the new writers did really well too
It certainly had a way different feel though, as well as becoming much more surreal and absurd (but still hilarious). Jerry was very smart to end it at 9 though.
It was still good but no where near as great. Larry added something irreplaceable to the show
@Son Of Dad Interesting. What differentiates it from the other seasons?
The Pothole & Parade episode are in my top 5 favs, so they definitely did great post Larry.
I agree but I actually never knew this about Larry leaving. This explains Georges character changes so much. The Susan stuff. Honestly thats where the character lost all appeal for me. He was just a sociopathic asshole. Lost all that subtlety and nuance. Where you hate his guts but he makes you laugh. Last 2 seasons he seemed very generic.
Larry makes every day things comedic. When Seinfeld was running, I would look at all my daily ordeals as if I were in a Seinfeld episode.
George WAS a different character after Larry left, I liked the old George more.
Serenity now!
these pretzels are making me thirsty!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@flisko123 these pretzels...... ARE MAKING ME THIRSTY!!
see thats no good
@@flisko123 thooose pritzels... are making me. ..... thiiiiirsty!
The last two seasons are actually some of my favorites. With all due respect to the great Larry David, I think by season 8 the crew of writers and actors had become such a well-oiled machine that they managed to pull it off without him. Some of Larry's trademark dialogue was missing and the characters felt more cartoonish but the ideas and plot lines were as funny and creative as ever. You could tell they were still having lots of fun with the show. "The Bizarro Jerry" and "The Betrayal" are two of the finest episodes imo.
The Betrayal is my favorite episode.
Some of the best episodes are in the last 2 seasons
I love Larry David, and as opposed to most of the comments here, I think Jerry and the team did a great job after he left. I don't notice any quality degrade after Larry's departure. All Seinfeld's episodes are a gem. I really think no sitcom can ever top or even come close to this gem of a show.
Well... As much as I love Seinfeld i'd say for me Married with Children, Malcolm in The Middle, Sanford and Son, All in The Family, The Jeffersons, Barney Miller, Night Court, Frasier, Golden Girls, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Hogan's Heroes, Everybody Loves Raymond etc. all pretty much give Seinfeld a run for its money. But I just love all these shows tbh lol.
I actually watch Season 8 & 9 more than any other seasons....
Yeah the last two seasons are still good, but they were less Seinfeld than the Larry stuff. Had they continued, the show would have gradually become unrecognizable as Seinfeld.
@@Ghoopty really? Lol most people it's the other way around.
Yeh I know. It’s all great, don’t get me wrong, but the later stuff is faster & more absurd, which appeals to me….
Larry has eclipsed Jerry in the 2000's. I always sensed that he was a little resentful not to be a part of the onscreen "golden four" in Seinfeld so he created his own classic with Curb where he gets to be the center of attention.
I don't think it necessarily has to be resentment, which has a much more negative connotation to it, than it could be simply Larry's sensibilities changing as he got older. As he and Jerry have explained, it was literally never even a consideration when creating the show that Larry would have any sort of on camera role, even though George was largely based on himself. Larry had no interest whatsoever in performing, and thru the era of the show he obviously was wealthy and knew he had plenty of respect in the comedy world (as much as a person like him is able to acknowledge that anyone else respects him, anyway lol). He got his time away from the rat race of it all, got the opportunity to still pursue his comedy voice in a more "unleashed" way, and by then it felt far more natural to just do it himself. The whole point of Curb is the loose performance aspect of it all more so than the writing of it, so it wouldn't make sense to yet again hire an actor to play "the Larry part".
I think this is kind of the wrong take
Dude got like 400 million dollars i think hes fine. Meanwhile, Kramer George and Elaine got ZERO of the royalties for re-runs
Anyone who doesn't think that Larry David isn't susceptible to feelings of insecurity, pettiness and resentment over slights hasn't been paying attention. Stars in the public eye get a lot more adoration and acclaim than behind the scenes guys. I'm sure it played on Larry's ego when he saw the "fab four" become icons while no one hardly knew him in the 90's. He probably thought, "Why not me? I'm as good as them" and he proved it in the 2000's with Curb.
@@clutch7548 Totally wrong. They all get paid for the syndication of the episodes.
He went on to make one of the best shows ever
ShaZam currrrbbbbb
From 5:00 to 6:10 (when you see him basically snap out of his story telling mode) is one of the most authentic LD monologues; without even noticing it, he briefly sucks the viewer in one of his typical thought processes and describes a typical LD reaction - the man is a real genius.
I never knew Larry left before the show ended, I did think that George wasn’t the same the last two seasons. Now I know why.
Same here...
I think all of them went a little overboard. Maybe him the most, but Elaine change a ton throughout the show. What did you notice?
I just hated Elaine's change.
Pretty cool that LD trained Alec Berg and Jeff Schaffer which lead to us getting awesome shows like Silicon Valley, the League, and Barry
Holden Witkoff He taught them how to pivot!!!! 😂
And Barry!
Wait nvm you said that lol
You can tell a difference in the show with Larry's departure. For me, it proves how valuable he really was. Those last couple of seasons weren't very creative and despite still being #1 in ratings, each episode just became more outrageous than the next. It was much better when there was more dialogue, and that lacked the last couple of seasons. I also loved when 'Seinfeld' had an "arc" for each season.
I can't say the last season were bad. but the phasing was bad for sure. Too many stories in really short time, all felt rushed. Many new characthers on each single episodes and even if they were interesting they lasted for really short time. Last season felt a little bit different tho, the phasing was a little bit better.
Larry gets a lot of the credit for the quality of the writing, and rightly so. But I think the last two seasons proved Jerry was no slug in the storytelling department.
Larry David is a pure comedic genius. As Jerry talked him into not leaving the show every year, you would say that Jerry is a very persuasive person, he talks people into anything, but Larry says, Jerry should have a job talking people out of suicide. This is just a small example of his pure humor genius. Curb should really be back after Fish In The Dark, the Broadway show Larry's doing next 6 months.
No he took 6 years
Recently it occurred to me that I have a special fondness for creative partnerships that are also enduring friendships. When Terry Jones died (January 2020) I was, as a Monty Python and Terry Jones fan, saddened.
And when I saw Terry J's writing partner and great friend Michael Palin become understandably upset as he paid tribute to Terry, that sadness deepened. But there was also something beautiful about it.
Well over half a century went by and Mikey and Terry J still loved each other and enjoyed each other's company.
I have the same fond feeling when I see Larry and Jerry together. They're still friends and it will likely stay that way. It's very sweet, and not as common a situation as we'd like.
Nixer Doyle Ahh... Terry Jones and Michael Palin together. Ripping Yarns!!! 📚
Terry Jones, a genius incognito. Oh, how I grew to love and admire that man.
Im an Aussie , ive never watched a game of Baseball in my life but that Babe Ruth line had me in stitches .
I love how Larry David's last written episode of Seinfeld, other than the finale, was the on where he killed off Susan.
"Big Stein can't be floppin' and twitchin'!" That's one of my absolute favorite lines from the entire series.
Larry David shutting down the show, pulling out, making his own moves without acknowledging the repercussions of how everyone else feels, on the cusp and height of success; is SUCH a Larry David move.
I never knew who did Steinbrenner. Luv Ya Larry !!! Curb your enthusiasm too. Very funny.
The last two seasons definitely had more of a "tv show" feeling than the pure comedy gold that it had been up until then.
Loved the series and always wanted it to come back to regular basis
His comic genius put it all together...the writers, the commitment to work late hours editing, rewriting....I don't think there is a show out there that has such dedicated writers/editors today. Guys, that want the jokes to flow from scene to scene, year to year like this show did for the all those fantastic years. Amazing man that put out a idea so clear that others could embrace it without him coming back to re-directing their work.
For the butthurt Larry David purists... sure the show was different when Larry left, but was still funnier than most sitcoms on at the time... and don't forget... Larry came back to write the finale and that episode was destroyed by fans and critics alike. So nobody's perfect... just be happy the overall legacy of the show, one of the best Comedies of the past 25 years
Medalion the show was still funny when he left but was getting sillier and sillier. almost cartoon like towards the end. Larry brought a grounding to most of his Seinfeld work that he has continued on curb
Loved the show,,,watch it over and over...wish there was more...
I know that feeling Larry was describing as he had to read lines which he didn't write. I left a band that I had played in for 6 years. Then one time they asked me to play a couple of shows with them as the drummer was away for a family matter. It was music from a new album. It was drum parts which I didn't write. I did feel a strong sense of not belonging. It's an ugly feeling. Has anyone else experienced that feeling?
larry david is a hilarious neurotic, i noticed the difference when he left, (i wasn't aware he left until now) but the show seemed to lose some of it's edginess, personally i started to lose interest towards the end. jerry is a great writer and has this amazing confidence, but he lacks the debilitating insecurities that larry had (has), and nothing is funnier than someone who is hanging on for the ride rather than controlling it.
Very well said. That’s pretty much exactly what happened
Well, here's how I see it. Jerry's a great writer on his own and Larry is a great writer on his own but together they were simply magic and even though Jerry did his best and there were still classic episodes the last two seasons: "The Yada Yada", "The Little Kicks", "The Comeback" "The Chicken Roaster" "Festivus" etc. the consistency of the high quality of seasons 4-7 was sort of lost when Larry left because without him the yin didn't have his yang
Very nicely put, hanging on for the ride is perfect description of Larry's attutude to social norms and social queues. Hence why Curb is literally Larry's continuous battle with society's rules. It's just great
It was much less of a dark comedy and more slapstick for sure!
After Larry left, the show started to depend more on slapstick comedy, which is the lowest level of comedy.
its amazing how much the show changed when just 1 man left. The importance of LD was amazing
When he left the show was still funny, but felt more over the top / almost like a live action cartoon at times, it wasn't as "real" as it used to be.
I find it weird that people put the shift to "less real" squarely at between seasons 7 & 8. I mean, _The Bubble Boy_ happened way back in season 4.
@@MLennholm What's unrealistic about the bubble boy? Bubble boys do exist.
They weren't as good as the other seasons but they certainly didn't suck. they contain some of the greatest moments the show had
I was a fan of Jerry before the Seinfeld chronicles first aired, so I was excited hearing he had his own show. I remember being a little underwhelmed after watching it and thinking the George character was a little too Woody Allenish. This is a testament to Jason Alexander and Larry both as Jason learned quickly that the George character was indeed Larry. You can watch how quickly George morphs into Larry through his mannerisms and voice. The show uses from real life Jerry’s old girlfriend Elaine (based on comedian Elaine Boozer) and Kramer (Larry’s old friend Kenny Kramer.) It was genius adding all of the other supporting roles (Neuman, Peterman, Mr. Pitt, etc.) to really round out the ongoing story. I’d love to know who came up with what. However I also did note the change in George without Larry’s guidance, it was still good, just different. Jerry probably realized after 3 seasons without Larry’s input regarding George, the possibility of the show becoming stagnant? Who knows? All I know is that I don’t believe there will ever be another comedy as funny as Seinfeld. Talk about lightning in a bottle, it was just genius.
Thank God he left Sienfeld. So that his hunger for more kept on growing. Now, we have 11 awesome seasons of Curb. Thanks Larry. You are the best.
thought would never see anything better then (first seven seasons) of Seinfeld... until "Curb..;" Never watched tv before these.
Larry David’s honesty is scary and great.
I see myself, at different times in my life feeling these ways and things.
But just that he uses his experiences so well in writing and acting 🎭
It's weird seeing Larry David not playing Larry David.
I had no idea Larry left that early. Impressive that Jerry picked up that much of the slack.
Early? Larry David left after season 7.
I really had no idea that Larry David left the show after the 6th season.
he stopped writting after the seventh season
They did a REALLY good job without him, don't let it be unknown. Next decade Larry proved he was the shit ("Curb" killed and everything else kinda sucked,) but Seinfeld seasons 8-9 are fucking great.
@@gibberconfirm166 what are you talking about?? Curb is a great show. It's like a Seinfeld spinoff but it isn't. It's like from Georges perspective of life.
I always wondered why he left Seinfeld, it’s interesting to see it explained here. You really do need to hear accounts from multiple people to understand, because it was one of those decisions based on complicated feelings.
It seems like he felt trapped, but also loved the show/writers, but also maybe felt like it was time to move on to other things and make a name for himself. I’m sure petty annoyances and grievances had built up over time as well.
Many of the *worst* episodes were definitely written after Larrys departure. And as Jason said; George changed. Or the whole tone, it turned more aggressive somehow.
Yes very different show. Much more like Jerry’s personality: childlike and cartoonish. But it was fun seeing them go out that way. It fit somehow that they all got larger than life
@@natediggitydog8 It became more surreal, like the episode where Kramer and Jerry switch apartments and their personalities switch....that wouldn't have happened with Larry there.
Some of the best ones too: _The Little Kicks, The Chicken Roaster, The Comeback, The Yada Yada, The Serenity Now, The Merv Griffin Show,_ etc...
LD is a legend! There's nobody else like him.
The show was still good after he left, just different. It's kind of like when dave mirkin took over as showrunner for the simpsons. He brought more of the surreal nature, and a made it a little bit more outlandish, but I love his seasons the most. I'm glad seinfeld did end when it did before it could become a mockery and abhorrent like the simpsons have been for years.
+Andrew Holmes seasons 5 and 6 are definitely top notch, and make a strong case for being the simpsons' peak in my book. i really wish they'd have called it quits after season 8, and went out with one of the best quality show runs in history. too bad groening is deceiving himself into believing they're writing their best material now, and have no reason to stop. that, or they're just greedy. *sigh*
I think Simpsons should have finished around the 12th season. They started to become too topical and include modern references, in a show that takes a year to write & animate, the jokes dated incredibly fast. The quality certainly went down after the 7th or 8th season, but it became really apparent that the best writers and best ideas were behind them, I think around 2000/01. Groening should have called it quits after Futurama got established and let South Park and Family Guy do the "edgy" and "topical" humour, because they didn't start out trying to be a classic family sitcom, only animated.
@Pepe Lucho while I wouldn't say the last few seasons were necessarily bad, far from it and are the final two seasons still better than any sitcom airing today? Yes, definitely. But there was certainly a huge difference in quality after Larry David left. While still funny the final two seasons weren't as consistently funny as it was before. Jerry did a great job overall and like I said there were still some very funny episodes and the actors were still doing great work but it just wasn't the same and George's character wasn't the same without Larry who George is based on to have that expert handle on the character
while i don't doubt that seinfeld contributed a heap of genius to the show i think this shows that larry david is and was the supreme mastermind writer of the show. he started curb your enthusiasm and it is an awesome show,
leaves seinfeld after 7 seasons then continues to do another 8 seasons of curb your enthusiasm… i mean i love jerry but he only pulled off 2 seasons of seinfeld by himself. larry went on to put on 8 more of a brand new show. comedic genius.
Jerry went back to his stand-up comedy. I give him credit for that. Most stand up comics turned tv stars never go back to the stand up. Instead they try to become movie stars (see Robin Williams, Tim Allen, Steve Martin, etc.)
You do realize that Larry and Jerry weren't the only writers on the show, right?
Magnetic Dwarf Reptile
But they were the showrunners.
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Love the last two seasons, but they are definitely hacky and more traditional sitcom than the earlier work.
This is what happens when you put your heart and soul into something. You can only maintain that kind of intensity for so long. This is why the show really lost something after Susan died. It particularly lost those uncomfortable moments (the dark side of Seinfeld, as I like to call it) with which we could all connect and became more slapstick humor.
Just shows how great his instincts to move on when he did was. It led to Curb which is the greatest show of all time.
As a HUGE fan of the show this is soo interesting.
2:15 Soooo true. George became such a caricature in later seasons. Felt like less talented writers trying imitate someone else’s work. George just screamed constantly and was always dialed up to 11.
I was trying to figure out why I began to kinda dislike George in the later seasons. Now it’s beginning to make sense
And Elaine’s character was different too. She’d become more mean spirited and selfish. She would also rip on George every chance she got.
George started out doing Woody Allen and ending up doing Jackie Gleason.
the only man whose honesty is actually worth a fortune.
Love LD. He is a comedic genius! :)
Adore Larry and adore Jerry, but the show was clearly lacking after Larrys departure.
+Lucy van P It was as if they doubled down on all the hallmark characteristics each person was known for. Not bad episodes, but a little over the top
Lucy van P what season did he leave, i didn't even notice lol
season 7
season 7 was his last.
The 6th and 7th years are my favorite; full -open occasional madcap.
one of the best people ever
What do you mean? Have you watched Curb?
also, curb your enthusiasm is coming back in 2017. damn, im so hyped about that....
2020 too!
This is clearly Larry from Curb your Enthusiasm
I don't want to upset anyone but when I watched the show the first time round, I thought the last season or two were really quite "miss" (as opposed to "hit"). I think _Curb_ proved Larry's magic beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I think he sold George the gum when he(George) was dressed up as the king for Krammer
5:52 he should have just went back to work like nothing happened.
I agree. To some degree, while it was smarter when Larry was there, the show opened up a bit more when he left and went places I don't think earlier seasonds would've
I love how LD in real life is the same as LD on CYE
For me that show was only Seinfeld in name. But Larry David was the true creative genius behind it. IMHO, of course.
Yet when Larry received his Laurel Award, he acknowledged that without Jerry Seinfeld picking him as the co-creator of Seinfeld, he'd be sitting near some steam vent on 44th Street.
I think, by and large, that the success of Seinfeld comes down to Jerry's ability to pick the right people.
And MAN was Larry the right one!
I really like this show
While Larry was talking about the actors onset, I imagined the cast in NYC. Then he mentioned Castle Rock, (Beverly Hills) which is probably just mere blocks from the Seinfeld set.
It just hit me! Larry looks like one of the scientists in Half-Life!
7:34 Nothing more beautiful than Larry David impersonates himself.
Larry came back with Curb...ultimate piece of work!
There are definitely early, middle, and late Seinfeld periods with distinctive flavors. There are great episodes and not-so-great ones in all three. I like the middle years best, because the characters were well established, the actors had found their grooves, and it was a hit by now, so they could push the envelope, but it was still "grounded." However, it seems that seasons 8 and 9 have risen in reputation since they were initially aired. People quote them all the time. I think a lot of young budding comedy writers were influenced even by those late Seinfelds. You can see their madcap style in some later series.
Larry's CYE has changed over nine seasons too. I can't imagine that episode with the Revolutionary War reenactment taking place in seasons 1-3. The part about Larry resenting being expected to thank the guy for his service, sure, but not the crazy set piece it turns into.
If you have the seen the show as much as I have, you can really tell the difference in the post-Larry episodes. I personally think he should have ridden the wave all the way, but oh well. There are funny and even classic episodes from the post-Larry era, too.
Larry David made that show. A true leader is always invisible. Larry is
An example of what leadership is.
It's just a matter of opinion of how we viewed the seasons after his departure. I loved all the seasons...Each episode still had great one liners after he left, in my opinion.
Seasons 1, 8 and 9, were noticeably worse than the rest though.
One of my all-time favorite episodes was in season #8. I'm talking about the episode when Mickey and Kramer went on the double-date with the twins. That was the yada-yada episode. I think that was one of the best episodes ever. Some of the episodes in the final season were a little silly and not quite as good as the earlier years. But I think the yada-yada episode in season #8 was a classic.
+ZenyattaFan1 I agree, love that episode. "Dentists...who needs 'em." "Yeah, like the blacks and the Jews."
ZenyattaFan1 Serenity Now
That was also antidentite
I used to think the quality of Seinfeld dropped when Larry left. Upon rewatch on Netflix, it actually started to decline in Larry’s last 2 seasons. Still some great moments, but it started to get too goofy and cartoonish. That being said, I love Larry and the show.
i would imagine that the characters had been established,they had their own characters and back stories..not that it made it any easier as the bar was set pretty high...jerry and the other writers did a fantastic job...the show was always first class.x
The show definitely lost something after Larry left. I think the pinnacle of the show was probably seasons 4-6. 7 was still good, but you could kind of feel that more zany tone starting to creep in a bit, and then in seasons 8-9 that's when everything just felt like it was turned up to 11. Everyone felt more like a caricature of themselves and the situations they found themselves in were just way more over the top. Still enjoy those seasons and think they're funny, but I think the earlier seasons were better and more akin to what the show was and should be.
At least he left on his own accord and got to come back for the final episode.
It's not Aaron Sorkin getting fired from The West Wing.
During this entire clip I was so curious as to who had furnitures the sets
Season 7, I think, is probably the best season of Seinfeld, especially if you binge watch the whole season. It’s really clever. So maybe Larry David knew when to leave.
And he was also the voice of "Neuman" before Wayne Knight was Neuman, in an early episode
Love the show
Can't wait for the new curb season
As the Pringles Man's face listens intently from the planter behind Jerry's left shoulder.
His comedy is timeless. Like Victor Meldrew. We know these people!
I have no idea who Victor Meldrew is.
when harry met sally poster in the background