64 GTO Tri Power 4 Speed Uh Oh !!!!!
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- So what I thought would be a pretty quick fix on a nice 64 GTO turns into much more, come see why...........
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Finally, some Poncho power that is not LSed
i worked on these tri power pontiacs back in the day and i can't tell you how many timing covers i replaced because the coolant ate its' way through the alloy cover, worth a look. i'm seventy nine so i was there back then swaping gears on a mighty twelve second run, just setting the world on fire.
Hmm, so when it ate through the cover did it leak out of the engine or into the oil?? It has taken a lot of water into the oil. I measured the oil I drained out and there was an honest 9 quarts in the pan😳
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 it leaked into the engine. what happened was the path that the coolant took past the impeller forced the coolant by and cut a trench in the alloy and would eat its way through the cover very common. alot of the tri power pontiacs did this, i think the reason was at the time the coolant wasn't engineered for alloy like the modern day coolant is.
I've got the timing cover off now and it looks perfect......
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 not saying i know it all because i surely don't but i would lay money that at sometime in that cars life the cover was replaced. back in the day i would say i replaced at least i every three months, i was working for a chevy, olds and pontiac dealership at the time. saw alot of things at the time that an independent shop didn't because of warranty. just thought i would throw that info on the cover out there maybe a little help to you. keep the videos coming i enjoy them
i know this goes without saying but i wasn't replacing the cover on the same car every three months
Well worth a rebuild...without a doubt.
You are correct sir the transmission crossmember should be on top of the frame.
In 64 the Lemans and gto had the same vin code. It was an option package.
I'm a Ford guy. But, Pontiacs hold a special placd, in my heart.
Hey Kiwi,
Tim here, i have a '64 Tempest bracket car, ALL Pontiac, YES, DONT just do the heads, NO, it'll bite you in the keester......yes, the tranny crossmember is supposed to be on top....changes angles, not drastic, but it aint rite, but my point is, if you have ANY querries about the engine, comment back, i'd be MORE than happy to help, as Poncho's are my forte!!!...time for a new bullet!!
We ran in a 64 ragtop in the 70's. It could lift the front wheels into fourth gear, wild rides we had in it! The only bad on the car was the Muncie shifter they came out with, the Hurst was a lot better, but man what a ride the 64 GTO's were!
First year and the year I was born. Love it!
The musty smell is what takes you back in time!😆
Hey kiwi just wondering how you got so much knowledge about the different cars you work on, love the content keep up the amazing work 😂😂❤❤
Mr. B. Here ! 🍩☕️👀👍😎. Hey, Chris ! Playing catch up, I have 1964 Olds Cutlass S convertible the bottom looks like mind ! Agree needs some love ! 🍩☕️👀😎👍🇺🇸
Reminds me of my old 77 Buick Electra Park Avenue 403 where I had a blown head gasket.
I noticed my engine temp go up so I added 2 gallons of water as my coolant level was way down.
Added another 2 gallons of water to get it home. Then I checked the engine oil and found milkshake all the way up the dipstick.
Engine was still purring like a kitten. But that was the end of my black exterior black vinyl roof blood red crushed velour interior Buick.
A-wah! A-wah! A-wah!
I like it. Perfect driver with some fixer up along the way or restore 100%. 👍
Mam oh man talk about nostalgia. A friend of a friend had one of these back in the late sixties. First time I rode in it, wow! Fastest car I’d ever been in.
Sad news but definitely worth a rebuild. Cheers! 😎👍🏎🏁🏁
The 64 is by far my favorite GTO.
A friend of mine has a 64 389 4bbl 4 speed, and a 65 as well.
Thank God the owner didn't say the worst 2 words ever said by a car guy:
"😅LS SWAP"..
Yeah, rebuild is where I would go. Rings/hone, true the deck if needed, go through all valvetrain items etc. A salute to a survivor.
Love it! I owned a '64 and a '68. Great fun! It's too bad that some goofball installed the wrong dipstick. I don't think you can determine a '64 GTO from a Tempest by the VIN. Later years had different VIN numbers. If you get it running, be sure to inspect the crossmember over the rear axle. The increased torque of the 389 sometimes twisted the Tempest frame, causing it to snap. Best of luck!
GTOs didn't get their own VIN number until 1966 and the 64s and 65s are popular to clone as a result. You usually have to send out for the documentation if you don't have the build sheet. I'd probably check and see what engine it has for sure. 1965 brought significant changes to the Pontiac V8 which don't work with the 64 and earlier engines.
Timing cover all the way. All the time its been sitting there the aluminium has been corroding away. Pontiacs have a unique design where the cast aluminium timing chain cover doubles up as the back of the water pump so it has water on one side and direct access to the pan on the other. The motor could well be perfectly okay.
Is there a particular spot in timing cover that corrodes. I've got the water pump off and the steel backing plate but what I'm seeing looks pretty good
The Best barn finds are the ones in your own barn.
My favourite American car, a 64 or 65 GTO.
Hope the owner has you attend to the underside.as well.
Well worth it.
I bought a 65 Pontiac GTO from a fellow for the four speed transmission for my "so called hot rod". This car had a 400 in it but it was all there (I even drove it some) and had the tri-power setup. The seller was running the engine on the center carburetor (for gas savings). Well I ran some fuel lines to the outboard carbs and set the stop on the throttle linkage as instructed (with a little minor adjustment to suit my tastes). Well we ran it down the street and of course it spit and sputtered and so on. I got it on a street that was a regular thoroughfare and stepped down on the throttle just to where I felt that step for the outboard carbs. I just mashed the throttle down and "jumping Jehoshaphat", tire smoke and engine smoke and you name it. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!. If I had a place for keeping that car I would have kept it and to hell with my "so called hot rod". Yes sir that engine should come out of the car put on the stand and disassembled and inspected for what needs to be done to it. I bought a 427 first stage design L88 from a fellow (his tale I'm sitting on mine) some fifty years ago. He claimed he drag raced it his Corvette and ran 11.50's. Whenever I get around to it I'll put that engine on the stand and disassemble it for inspection. Better to find any issues before it goes into the car. That GTO will make a good driver just as it is. Definitely will be looking forward to seeing more on this ride.🥸👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Old school but I like it😊
I used to have a 1966 GTO, kills me I don't have it anymore. Love to see this car getting some attention!
Very nice, I like the 1965 model even more.
I agree, she is definitely worth saving. Please keep us posted.
Chassis looks MINT !!
California "rust" beats
New England rust , any day !!
I think 🤔 you're right
The transmission cross member
Should be on top
Oh no .... milkshake
No, the crossmember goes UNDER the output shaft.
Excellent looking car certainly something worth owning, thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
A friend of a friend had one very similar to that one back when they were new. I rode in it once(high school me) and was seriously impressed with it. Very fast and smooth.
That amount of antifreeze those crank bearings are toast imho
I was instantly suspicious as soon as I saw the shiny red paint, then, when you opened the passenger side door and I saw the door striker was painted the same time as the body, it pretty much told me this is a car that was built to be flipped. The guys who do these blow em out restorations always paint stuff that was originally plated.
That sucks. Pontiac parts aren't cheap or easy to come by for certain pieces. But a fresh engine will make that thing a solid driver.
Yeah to do it right would require complete teardown, magna flux the block and heads. Redecking the block and cylinder heads and possibly grinding crank, hardened valve seats etc. Very few machine shops in country can do that anymore. Have seen one on You Tube ,Jims' automotive machine shop that works with old engines all the time. What that old girl requires is way above what most places can do.
That is a nice car. Good shape. Too bad the motor is screwed but you'll take care of that. Looking forward to the next one. I will re
Lovely looking old beast! It's the first early GTO I've seen - and I like it too! I've always joked that my Triumphs have a patented anti-rust mechanism built into their drivelines to explain the coating of oil on their undersides, but it seems they may have also sold the idea to GM. Maybe that's what they gave GM in exchange during the deal to get the old Buick 215 V8 engine that became the Rover 3500 and Leyland P76 4416cc V8! But I digress.... Sad when the fluids in an engine swap their respective locations and make a mess. It's never a cheap fix when that happens....and getting oil out of a cooling system (the radiator especially) is a right pain in the rear.....but she'd definitely be the right car to do the work to and make right.....and plenty of time to wire brush and treat everything underneath while waiting for the engine to return. That's a great car with a solid structure, a tidy interior and a good stance. Great to leave as it is and just do the maintenance and prevention underneath, make the engine strong and then enjoy it out and about as much as possible, I reckon. Thanks for showing us this one, Chris. She's a beaut! All the best
Looked so nice top side, the bottom side is good by east coast standards- lol....but that poor engine, so sad 😒
Well let's take it apart and then see just how bad off it is. It may not be as bad as we think it is. Sometimes you have to look at the freight and see what you have.
Please keep us posted !
Ya just don't see cars like this where I live.
Well, only in shows.
When I was 10 years old my dad had a 67 LeMans 2-door sedan, but it was smashed in the front and driver's door. It hit a rock pile embankment at about 60mph, or so I was told.
Kiwi the barrier of bad news 😢
More often than I'd like....
That's really unfortunate but hopefully the engine can be saved. A good friend of my Dad's
had a 66 GTO for a long time that he ordered new with tri-power and a 4-speed. It was immaculate.
I really liked how you did the math. 5+4=9 I agree that looks like it is well worth rebuilding. But my goodness, a dip stick a brick short of a load. 😮
Those old Pontiacs had a goofy arrangement with the water pump where it goes thru the timing chain cover, that could be it dried up and started leaking, but yeah you'd have to go thru the motor, especially when it's been run like that.
Cool very nice gto it's well worth the cost building a new engine for it
😂 I’m trying to remember what a quart is, back when 20 shillings was a quid !
1 quart is 1/4 of a U.S. gallon or about 1 litre. 😁😎👍
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Thanks, I’m a miss mash of imperial & metric 👍
They do get tired, at least she ain't blown to bits
Nice Goat! Hopefully you caught it before it has done some major damage. I agree that cross member should be on the top of the rails.
Nice
I'm surprised. No blow apart with all that floward.
Floward ??
At least it would look cool sitting in the driveway.
Poncho!
I just bought a 68 dodge d300 slant 6... I knew it had a blown head gasket. The dipstick showed beautiful, clean oil. When I drained it bright green antifreeze came rushing out for a few seconds then all milkshake after that., yet the dip showed clean oil
That car is like new compare to our rust belt. So yeah time for a rebuilt, no big deal .
bummer, was looking forward to the test drive ...
"No Spock!"
"Live long and prosper". There! all fixed. LOL
🤘🏼🐅
You dont mind sharing the nickname delorean gave that car The Great One lol thanks great video ,at least you have a variety unlike that god forsaken mopar friend.of yours plymouth,dodge ,plymouth dodge
Might want to check the diff and trans. She might have been in a flood. Sad, Lil GTO was loved at some point
I would like to see you rebuild the motor and sort that GTO out.
Lavonne Row
Awesome, I have one and love it! Trans cross member should definitely be on top of lower rail. This my Favorite car channel, love seeing the daily driver old girls, keep up the great work. My goat is my daily except in rain (Vancouver Island)!
Looks nice not so bad.worth a rebuild Kiwi?
Customer states there's no spark...
😮
Yeah that was the least of his problems....😎👍
you should send it over to Tony to rebuild it with bubblegum and bailing wire! Just kidding... It was a shout out to Macgyver and Tony's ability to do a lot with nothing. A rebuild would make this survivor run and drive better anyway with no more oil leaks or smoking. Hope the owner has the extra $3500+ onhand! By the way, can you cover for everyone how much a motor rebuild runs these days? For that matter, how about automatic transmission rebuilds?
Ratke Islands
That's Tennessee rust, Mate. Moldering away on a concrete floor in a damp environment does it every time.
Bummer
How does kiwi know its a old girl?!!!!
He had a quick look underneath.
@@barrycuda3769 😁👍
@@barrycuda3769 😜
same as he knows Bob's yer uncle....😂
Cause he looked under the hood.
I know what I’d try to do with it. Stock appearing sleeper build using SD stuff. Unobtainium though…
I bet an old 421 would bolt right in.
Try to find one!
Compression should be around 10.75 to 1. Way to high for todays pump gas and I'm sure after running with coolant in the oil, the bearings don't look to good either.
How did the oil and water mix if it wasn't running?
It was running up until the ignition module failed but it was apparently running quite hot........ 🤔
How old is the gas in the tank, I wouldn't turn the key until tank is drained and cleaned.
The only way to truly tell if it’s a real GTO is to obtain a PHS report for it. All GTOs in ‘64 and ‘65 were LeMans VINs. GTOAA requires this documentation for concours judging.
Looks like a 455 with a tri-power setup. Definitely NOT a '64 389, the center carb is smaller on a '64. Not a stock radiator, master cylinder, disk brakes, etc... I wouldn't call this a survivor, unless you're talking about sheet metal.
Spray the underneath with used motor oil ,drive down a dirt road and forget about it
Possible bad new radiator?
LS now, don’t pay the Pontiac tax!
An LS isn't the answer for everything... Everyone and their brother does LS swaps.
It would be much cooler to keep a Pontiac engine in it. If this isn't the original engine,
I would try to find a 421 or even a 455.
@@1911MikeinOregon I hear you, I own a 68:GTO with a stroked 400, just saying it was not for the feint of heart. Good luck!
yes inside the frame not on the bottom for trans cross member
Quick call the Uncle T
Bummer