Super RARE 1992 Citroën XM Just Won't Start?! You Won't Believe Why!
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 23 сен 2024
- If you’re struggling, consider therapy with our sponsor. Click betterhelp.com... for a discount on your first month of therapy. If you have questions about the brand relating to how the therapists are licensed, their privacy policy, or therapist compensation, here is an overview written by the RUclips creators behind the channel Cinema Therapy that goes into these topics: / addressing_the_betterh... 🇫🇷🚙➡️ I bet you've NEVER seen one of these... 1992 Citroën XM! @euroasianbob9268 has done it again! Where does he find these super rare cars? You won't find a better looking XM in the States. Want to see more about this car? Check out Bob's video: • 1992 Citroen XM Shop R...
🔮🔧 AMAZON AFFILIATE STORE #ad : www.amazon.com... 🔧🔮
🇬🇧🇬🇧 UK AMAZON STORE #ad : www.amazon.co.... 🇬🇧🇬🇧
👕 CAR WIZARD MERCH: teespring.com/... 👕
📷 INSTAGRAM @realcarwizard / realcarwizard 📷
🧰 BENDPAK LIFTS: www.bendpak.com 🧰
🎞️🚙 CAR WIZARD SHORTS ON FB: / carwizardfb 🚙🎞️
🎸 LIFT AND OUTRO MUSIC BY CLAYTON CAGLE: / claytoncalifornia 🎸
🎶 INTRO MUSIC: Green Daze by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. creativecommon... 🎶
#carrepair #carwizard #carmechanic #autorepairshop #automobile #cars #car #citroen #citroenxm #frenchcars #frenchcar #fuelpump #ignitionsystem #ad #automotiverepairshop
If you’re struggling, consider therapy with our sponsor. Click betterhelp.com/carwizard for a discount on your first month of therapy. If you have questions about the brand relating to how the therapists are licensed, their privacy policy, or therapist compensation, here is an overview written by the RUclips creators behind the channel Cinema Therapy that goes into these topics: www.reddit.com/r/cinema_therapy/comments/1dpriql/addressing_the_betterhelp_concerns_headon_deep/
Ovni is the term used to mean a UFO in French 😂😂, I didn’t expect it to have that licence plate …
Wizard, c’est un plaisir de voir des Citroën sur votre chaîne 😊😊, call it the way you like, nobody’s gonna panic … someday I almost expect you to have a Citroën Méhari, perhaps from the 60’s the legendary ones, not the all new electric ones which contrary to the old Méhari, isn’t recognizable from any other car while looking at it from as little as 2 Km away 😂
Removing this channel from my recommendations for obvious reasons.
I'd be happy to take misses wizard to Europe for you if you happen to be a little bit too busy right now
Doesn’t Jenny have her own channel now? Maybe she can let you have your videos back.
OVNI means Objeto Volador No Identificado. Or UFO for English. ur welcome
little fun fact on the side: The OVNI licence plate means "objet volant non identifié", french for Unidenitified Flying Object, an expression widely used by journalists and the public relating to the XM's ancestor, the DS, due the sheer otherworldliness of this car at the time of its launch. So, a reference to the car that started it all...
Same in Spanish did you know? In common use all of the time for decades, Objeto Volador No Identificado OVNI
I’m originally from the UK and remember when these XM’s were introduced. At the time they were the most futuristic car I’d ever seen and I wished my dad would have bought one. I’m in my 40’s now and would still love to own one. I feel that these were the last of the true Citroen’s. Nothing they produced after the XM had the cool/quirky design that Citroen were famous for. Thanks for showing us this car Wizard.
Wrong, the c6
The C6 was Citroën af. Weird, elegant and comfortable
The C6?
Ray Mears had one, I seem to recall. Richard Stilgoe had a CX Familiale, and I think Bill Bailey still has a DS (et je pense q'il parle très bien français).
All my cars, except one, have been Citroen, starting with my first, a BX14, to my current a C3 Aircross. But I never got to drive one of the XM's, they were always out of my price range.
Listening to Car Wizard's calming voice and demeanor is a whole lotta therapy.
I grew up with these, my dad who recently passed away used to have three of them. Amazing comfort and back then they were years if not a decade ahead of other cars.
Nice memory. Sorry for your loss!
Just a funny little note, it's 91,000 km, or 56,000 miles.
Exactly. This is clearly a European odometer.
"Cool little Citroen"?
It was biggest sedan on their lineup at the time...
I guess by American standards, it's small
@@adelkheir Interior wise it should be pretty big. I own a 1991 Chevrolet Caprice and a 1997 Peugeot 605 (which is the XMs sister car) and the interior/trunk space in the 605 is comparable if not better than in the Caprice, especially rear legroom. Exterior dimensions on the 605 are smaller thanks to not having bumpers you can stand on.
@@Hipas_Account True. Big American cars were not all that space-efficient or as roomy as you would expect. But they were all wider than their foreign counterparts.
now a "compact" Kia K4 is bigger
@@adelkheir The estate version is almost 5 meters long.
My uncle had the Citroën DS19 back in the early 60s, it’s so modern and good looking even when compared to modern luxury automobiles. The DS19 style is timeless.
There's a great car chase scene in the film "Ronin" with the XM. The 24v engine version with a manual shift could nudge 150 mph. A very rare sight even in Europe now sadly.
Loved that movie and that chase scene.
The XM's platform-mate the Peugeot 605 was also featured in Ronin. All of the chases in that movie are GOAT-status.
"It's really strange, but it works" is basically Citroen's mantra ;)
I understand the motoring journalist LJK Setright said of the Citroen SM that it was "...a car beyond the abilities of half the world's mass-producers and beyond the comprehension of the other half"...
The XM had a Cd of 0.28, which is still amazing by today standards. It was designed by Bertone.
It was very advanced for its time, that's why it was called OVNI (UFO in French).
The XM is incredibly beautiful, so is the C6.
Oh, i love them both. XM is the C6 of the 90's!
I owned a 1972 DS21 Pallas for 8 years from 1980 to 1987. I bought while I was in the army. Kept the leather moisturized, the coolant full and the oil changed every six months. It used 'red' fluid and ran pretty well. Spheres generally needed replacement after five years rebuilt ones actually rode better than new ones. It made 130 bhp, 125 mph top speed, got 29 mpg and weighed 2,995 lbs. Loved it, learned alot but occasionally it could be a headache. I wish I had Kept the air horns.
Red fluid in a 1972 car? I believe the fluid was changed from red to green in the early 60's. The orange fluid came together with the XM I believe.
Citroen and strange, two words that go together.
Under the "don't touch!" flap on the center console you will find the immobiliser keypad on which you enter a code to start the engine. Like some American cars have around the doorlock on the outside. It has nothing to do with the radio!
I'm not quite halfway through the video but I'm wondering if that misunderstood immobilizer might have something to do with not starting
I had an XM V6 and for every start you need to enter the immobilizer code... Quite annoying but Peugeot-Citroën were very proud of it.
And when the code is not entered, the symptom is literally as he described. Cranking and no start. The ribbon cable leading to the fuel tank is there because the fuel supply is disabled unless the correct code is entered.
If only someone opened that Haynes manual …
yes , that's most certainly the issue , you need to enter the code for each start (otherwhise the Ecu do not activate the fuel pump) @Carwizard
I imagine it's been disabled many people do so (although why I don't know)
If it is the issue it will beep while cranking and if the code has been forgotten you might have to just buy another ECU
In all likelihood he's been told not to touch as on the XM the cover is a weak point and often break it's rare now to have a functional one
*I have no words*
THATS RARE. When I lived in Brazil, I saw a few. But even there, it was rare!
It has its own beauty!
Thanks for sharing, Wizard!
This XM has 8 hydraulic spheres in it: 1 accumulator sphere sitting on the pressure regulator (as in the DS/SM), 4 spheres for each wheel (as in the DS/SM), 2 hydractive spheres for each axle (introduced in the XM, switched on/off by the suspension computer) and as this car has the special DIRAVI steering (as in the SM) which consumes lots of hydraulic oil, it has an additional buffer sphere for the brakes.
Once the car runs, DIRAVI in itself worth a video. It's not power assisted but fully powered. The steering wheel has no direct connection with the steering rack (like in the Cybertruck), it just opens the tap for the high pressure hydraulic oil. As such there's zero feedback from the wheels and the they cannot be steered away by any external force, pothole, curb or a puncture. The wheels wouldn't even return to straight after a curve, so Citroën added a self-centering hydraulic circuit to DIRAVI which as a side-effect works even at standstill. The force of self-centering is based on vehicle speed: it's strongest at low speeds for easy parking and weakest at high speeds. The name DIRAVI is a French acronym for speed dependent power steering.
My bad, the centering force is strongest at high speed, weakest at low speed…
@@Alex-gf4ux I have the DIRAVI on my CX25 GTI (non turbo)
My step dad had one like this, same PRV V6 engine from 1992, it was dark green, very good car. Cheers from France.
I think it wasn't a "DeLorean" Engine but a Peugeot/Citroen/Volvo cooperation V6 Engine. Was ist also called EuroEngine or similar? DeLorean just used that one from the French/Swedish Cooperation.
@@rayyacht4342 In Europe this engine is called PRV: Peugeot-Renault-Volvo, the 3 brands that worked on its development as a joint venture, and it was also on Citroên's, Delorean, Venturi, Alpine.
@@strat0871 And Lancia Thema
@@strat0871 that's exactly what I own today
@@richardjones-b1v Right !
Thanks for doing a video on it. I'm Swedish and has four of them (and a DS Familiale). You shouldn't have any problems finding a fuel pump for it. It should have that very common Bosch pump with a number ending in 024 IIRC. Also the ignition module is the same as 90's RWD Volvos with Bosch LH Jetronic 2.4, and the distributor and rotor is the same as later Volvo 760 with PRV. It has eight spheres. One for each wheel and one on the "stiffness regulator" at each axle and two accumulators. And the "stiffness regulators" means that it has "Hydractive" which is a really good computer controlled active suspension. If perfect, it sort of compares to the magic carpet ride of a good DS, but if you drive it hard it compensates and actually handles like a pretty good sports car. But I wouldn't have any high hopes for it having the right kinds of spheres etc. It's rare to find one even in the EU that has been taken care of by someone actually having the right skills. Oh, and you will have some nice surprises when you turn the wheel the first time with the engine running. It has the "Diravi" steering system. It actually has drive by wire steering. It's hydraulically controlled unlike the cybertruck.
The XM has the hydraulics on the steering rack but the same steering in a CX or SM has it inside the car, so there you just have an emergency steering rack with a massive play for use in case of a failure. I think it's a 1992B. 89-92A had single spoke steering wheel and the notoriously bad ground points which gave the car an unnecessary bad reputation for reliability. But please take a look on the ground points behind the headlights. If they look like regular ground points your fine. But if there are yellow connectors connected to white ground points, then convert it to your connection modification of choice, and Euroasian Bob will be your friend forever. But I think that car will have ordinary ones, and I won't be surprised if 100% of the electrics is totally fine. I've been driving XM's since you could get them new and it's one of the most reliable cars I ever had. And I had some with over half a million km on the clock. I have Volvo 240 and 940 too, and I always have more faults on the Volvo's which are simple GL's.
There are a lot of English speaking FB groups and forums about the XM and there are a lot of knowledge out there. And it's usually not hard to find PDF's with workshop manuals and stuff like that. These are not OBD II vehicles though but it has very good diagnostic abilities for it's age. But you need a "Lexia" which unfortunately I guess nobody in the US has. But you get a long way with your general knowledge and some common sense.
I hope the Car Wizard reads your comment! Lots of useful information. Here in Colombia the Citroen Xantia series were spaceships compared to the normal Renaults out there, amazing Cars!
If you pay close attention , a lot of the styling been inspired by the SM.
Amongst others,
1- Rear facia.
2- The broken belt line on the rear doors.
3- Wheel covers
4- The front facia angled to both sides and having a sharp edge in the center.
I can’t WAIT to drive this car!! Thanks for sorting it out for me!!
Interesting note. I was told the tag means Alien in French. Can anyone confirm?
No wonder. In the Balkans slang we call them "the spaceship".
UFO if translated to english.
OVNI means UFO in french :)
It's french for UFO. Objet Volant Non Identifié,
etranger is French for alien
Love XMs, there were many of those in family. It's very hard car to keep running here in europe, all cause there is no parts for it. PSA would delivery new parts only for 10 years, now enthusiasts when something is breaking need to try search for good used part, which arent many. Brake valve is one of them and it's crucial for correctly working suspension. Phase 1 XM's are well known for electrical issues (this one is Phase 1 lift, you can tell by two spoke steering wheel instead of one spoke) caused by poor quality wires, Phase 2 (94-00) have no more electrical issues but they rust quite a bit.
This one looks really nice, I see some common things for XMs like window buttons sticking out. Most likely someone was already under the door panel and wires are pushing up the switches. Like every XM this one also probably needs evaporator cleaning, XM doesnt have air cabin filter and evaporator on every single one of them looks horrible after all these years.
One tip, if you unplug immobilser keypad when car is running there wont be need to put code while turning on engine anymore :)
On the center consol that door with a key symbol its a immobilizer panel that you need to type code to start the engine not the radio code as you say ;)
Exactly!
@@Peusgek and if you type your code and start the engine and you unplug that keypad you dont need to youse it again 😉
Fun fact, the XM paint plant was so ridiculously good, that you will be hard pressed finding an XM that will have any rust on it.
BTW, my XM, actually I have a Type II 3L V6, the immediate successor to the one you have there, is unreliable in the sense that the central door lock has the peculiar habit of changing which doors it will lock or unlock every time when I press the remote control. It’s hilarious and endearing. French quirkiness.
That overheating ignition module is typically a Type I problem. I had that in my previous XM, which was Type I, 3L V6. On that one the module died during a long trip. It caused bad combustion, eventually leading to exploding the exhaust pipe. When driving at 130Km/h that is rather spectacular. The faulty fuel pump I had as well.
The Type II only has an issue now with its distributor cap. Needs to be replaced for a second time now within 10 years. Most expensive repair I had do far with this car. Second hand value now €5k here. Steady, as that is what I paid for it 12 years ago too.
Same with the French Renault Medallion and Eagle (Renault) Premiere here in America. You never saw them rusting even in the junk yards.
I had a 1992 2.0i and also had the ignition module problem. The cooling paste disintegrated due to age and the module overheated. Shop suspected marten chewing through ignition cables.. by the time I was on my 4th set of cables the cat was burnt to pieces :| finally the mechanic said 'I don't know any further, it might be the module.'
Changed it myself and sure as hell that fixed it.
Ah yes, the Haynes manual …. “Reassembly is simply the reverse of the above steps”. The number of times I’ve sworn at it and left skin on the car…
Please stop tempting me with the DS - I’ve wanted one ever since my GSpecial - but shipping would be prohibitive (US -> UK
Why would anyone in the UK buy a DS from America when you have France next door?
I’m eyeballing that pink Cadillac in the background.
Here's looking at you, S60 R.
I have been for a while myself!
Here is an interesting one for you wizard, back in the 80s my dads friend had a DS like yours, except it was a pickup version. Don't know if that was factory or a home conversion. He used to rent it out to film companies as they used to use it as a camera car as the suspension was so good, of course in those days they did'nt have the stabalisation and fancy gimbles like that have today, but it just goes to show how advanced that suspension was for its day
Wizard years of working on these have taught me many things,mostly don't neglect to change the fuel filter element as they are prone To gumming up especially when left for a period of time not in use it's a Bosch system and that pump should be a easy part to source
I have a 1994 Renault Safrane. Basically Renault’s answer to the Citroën XM and Peugeot 605.
I have a similar issue. Fuel pump works (also easily accessible), however the ignition lights no longer illuminate and the car cranks, yet won’t start. Sometimes it fires into life briefly before cutting out again. Hopefully it is something simple.
1: Your DS is still for sale? I still want it. 2: Take Mrs Wizard to Europe while you're still young enough to enjoy yet old enough to get away with it!
Contact Crazy D in the office. You can buy it.
@@CarWizard you need the immobiliser code for the central console, that is not for the radio code
My dad had two. Hatch (2.1 TDi) and an estate (2.5 TDi). Drove all over europe with a caravan.
I have always LOVED Citroen's.....Just unique looking automobiles!
True story. I traded in my 1985 IROC Camaro for a 1987 because the fuel pump went out. When I got the repair estimate and saw a new IROC 350 on the showroom floor, I went with a new one. The fuel pump was a good excuse to trade up. But yeah, it was a drop the tank affair.
Let's see more of that pink '59 Caddy.
Actually on the 3rd Gen F-body's, to drop the fuel tank required to drop the rear axle and suspension!
Yes, let's see a vid on the pink Caddy!
🎼Pink Cadillac…🎵those velvet seats🎵
I nearly had one of these new as a company car in the UK! Shame you didn’t show the extra rear window under the tailgate. This is a draught excluder to stop rear passengers getting cold when the boot is opened. Great car!
Clarkson and May pronounce it "Citron" because Citron in French means "lemon".
nearly all the english do that
@@lezbriddon They do.
Citroen UK's own advertising for years and years pronounced it like that, it's only really with the "Creative Technologie" era that they've been pushing the native pronunciation.
The company was started in France by a Dutch man whose last name was Citroën. In Dutch, it also means lemon. The English screwed up the pronunciation as two syllables. The family's name, and car's brand, is pronounced with three syllables. Cit-ro-ën
I drove a few of these back in the day in the UK and I’ll say one thing,when you found a nice one they drove sublime👍
Has been a while since I have seen one of these on the road (I live in Europe).
I don't think I've seen many 90s Citroëns at all in a while
They were lower volume luxury cars so no surprise
Exactly! Hardly ever see one one the road. Friend of mine had 2 in the past. Diesel. One burned down with electric fire in the dash.
It's not a little Citroën. It's a fairly large Citroën; they did build some teeny cars beginning with the 2CV.
You missed the space in the armrests of the doors. You can flip them up and there is room to store some small stuff like a packet of cigarettes. I owned two of them, one being the 4 cylinder 2 liter version and the other was the 6 cylinder 3 liter, exclusive version. Great cars, very comfortable. I believe they had 8 spheres.
The first time i filled up the petrol tank i was afraid it was leaking. Ir took quite a while. As it turned out the tank can contain 90 liters, about 2p gallons I guess. Both had reliability issues and didn’t make it over 12 years. I still miss them.
Sold my 1992 2.0i to a collector in 2014 at 22 years :) still miss it.
Masterpiece of a car, had 2 of them, about 20 years ago. Flawed due to poor reliability. My second one was replaced by an E34 5 series. The XM was better in every single way, but rear wheel drive won my heart, and have stuck with RWD ever since. XMs are very special cars though.
Same here: I test drove an XM 2.0 Si in 1990 but it seemed gutless compared to the E34 520i I bought instead. I so wanted to love that XM too.
@@HowardLeVert That's a bit weird. The XM and the Alfa 164 were actually the fastest cars in their class, at the time. I felt my 24 valve 520i was a lot slower than both my 2.0 SEi and 2.0 Si that I had before. All of them had a peaky power delivery, mind. They didn't like low rpm.
The XM add line used to be: ‘Thank you for flying Citroen’
That's a proper Citroën ,fast , luxurious and bold like a designer suit.
Wow, an XM! They've all but disappeared here in the UK. I very nearly bought a V6 SEi, but in the end bought a BMW E34.
I love that you are getting your hand on this XM. I had at home a BX, CX, GS, XM, my dad was a Citroên crazy fan. Mostly because of the suspension system. Would love to see more!
We used to have the XM Wagon! Massive fuel tank, and lots or room. I believe we fitted three adults, and seven kids in it once.
I had one! With black leather!! Your English pronunciation is right!!!
That pink cadillac in the back is awesome
I loved my XM here in the UK.
My friends called it the flying shed!
The bolts on the power steering rack sheared and took out all of the hydraulic lines. That was an expensive repair!
The second time it happened, I got rid of it.
But I loved it when it was running.
One of my favorite cars. I couldn't click fast enough.
XM’s are exceptional cars, you’ll love it once you get it started. I’f were mine I’d at strip the pump and motor, might just need all the gum cleaning out and putting back together.
… and THIS is why I love this channel !!!!
Viewer from Finland and I figured it'd be a fueling problem, maybe even because of the immobilizer. I own a 1997 Peugeot 605 which is the sister car to the Citroen XM and they have an immobilizer which is switched off by a 4 digit code, of course I have managed to forget the code since mine has been sitting for some years due to some rust issues and me having other cars to worry about. Not sure if it applies to the XM but apparently the electrical systems in the Peugeot 605's prior to 1993 weren't the best, so that might be something that the XM shares being a 1992 car. Going to be sad to see the DS go, but I'm hoping the XM will be pleasant enough, for you to buy it instead ;D
the 4-digit code could be bruteforced with some time, that'd only take a few hours at most because they go from 0000 to 9999
@@rawr51919 Issue I'm having is that the car doesn't beep anymore to say if the code is wrong. I did manage to disassemble the codebox in which you type the code, and deduce the most used numbers, which were actually only 3 numbers, but could be a code that the original owner had before he sold it to the person I bought it off of. Also those 3 digits I figured out are none of the numbers I found on a small piece of paper inside the car, which also dont sound familiar to me. Luckily I remember the code to an earlier Peugeot I owned but no longer own, so I guess thats a plus.
@@Hipas_Account all u'd have to do is keep scrolling thru codes until the radio/immobilizer turns off and the car starts
@@rawr51919 Yeah, that's just plenty of time sitting in the car, putting in 3 codes, then detaching one of the battery leads, reattaching it, and repeating set process until you come up with the right code. It's just usually the car will beep to say if the code is wrong, but for me it doesn't. Also it has an aftermarket radio and the car has been sitting so the gas is bad. Also having neighbors and random bystanders come and talk your ears off makes the process take longer than it oughta ;D
@@rawr51919 Brute force? I'm not convinced that it would take a few hours to run through - in numerical order - up to 10,000 combinations if the number you are searching for happens to be 9999.
Came from the Audi video, Spotted this in the background! Brilliant cars not many left. Great to see it being cared for.
If the car beeps while starting the code needs to be entered. It’s not for the radio but to unlock the ecu. A lot of cars have the code disabled tho.
Please contact me if you have any more questions, and if I don’t know the answer but I probably do know somebody who does.
Just some info of the tech of this car and some tips to getting it in good working condition:
-When the engine is running the center armrest is electrically height adjustable
-It should have a second rear window, this is to create the comfort for passengers of a sedan but with the advantages of an hatchback. Rolls Royce Cullinan has the same I think
-The power steering system on only the PRV V6 models is very complex. It is carried over from the SM and CX. It is called DIRAVI, translated “self centering”. When you have the engine running and the hydraulic pressure up the steering will always want to go back to center even when standing still. There is no physical connection between the wheels and the steering wheel(there is for safety but that is the immense amount of play you feel when the engine is turned ofF). This system is designed to eliminate torque steer. When you drive faster the steering should get heavier. But all steering feel is artificial. It will feel extremely sensitive when you drive at highway speeds. Takes at least half an hour to get used to. If you feel like you are over-correcting all the time let go of the steering wheel and you will feel te car is very stable. Then hold it at the bottom between your thumb and index finger. After a while you will notice you hardly have to correct it and it feels extremely relaxed and stable.
-To have the right display showing not only eights press the end of the wiper stock.
-It was I think the first car to have an active suspension system. One of the reasons it became car of the year 1990. There is a computer(next to the ECU) that registers throttle/steering/brake inputs. Then it can switch an extra sphere on or off per axle. (Front sphere is mounted behind the engine on the subframe, rear one in the middle on the subframe). With a switch next to the gear selector the suspension can be set to Sport or Automatic. In automatic it decides when the sphere needs to be cut of and in sport it is always disconnected. If the ride feels bumpy the system can work badly or the spheres are just bad.
-It has 2 accumulator spheres instead of 1 on the DS. One is behind the radiator(for the brakes I think) other one is on the pressure regulator (for the rest of the hydraulic system) mounted to the front of the gearbox.
-Don’t damage the radiator, very hard to get. If you order one in europe at a normal car parts store it will be a cheap one that is enough for a 2.0 but not for the V6. Get a custom one.
-Waterpump is not available also, you maybe get one for a later V6 in the list at a store but it wont fit.
-Gearbox is just a ZF4HP18 that is used in Saabs/Alfa/Audi/Porsche(968) some new Dextron 2D will do it good if the oil is still red.
-Left display can be fixed with a cheap ribbon cable if broken
-These engines are actually very strong, older PRVs have a lot of issues with cams and oil. But since 1986 it has improved a lot, also became even firing with a split crank. This one the 3.0 12V is very robust, can go 300k miles if maintained good. The distributer cap can crack, get one from bosch for e34 525i or something similar. Same part but a lot cheaper. Rest of the engine can take a lot.
-XM is actually quite a sturdy car, interior of phase 1 like you have there is very nicely build. When they came out they had one big problem, they used weird connectors instead of normal ground points. It took them too long to discover the issue and fix it before the reputation was badly damaged. Cars had all sorts of weird faults because of those bad grounds. Engines are good, body is well protected against rust, electrics are not too bad but there are just a lot of features. The hydraulics don’t need too much maintenance, but there are a lot of components.
But now when the cars get old it is a real challenge to get it in a very good condition. Parts availability is bad(gets better), and it is just a complex car. Often issues got bodged in the past because the cars were worthless 10 years ago. It all adds up quickly, but this will be the same for any car of its class from this vintage. An XM is worth it in my opinion, such a nice driving car with a lot of tech and interesting looks.
Love it when you and Mrs. Wizard pore through the unique stuff that comes by Omega!
Have a good week!✌🏻❤️🙂🇨🇦
Wizard, If you want a high quality, non-conductive, stable thermal paste with no cure time and an 8 year shelf life, I recommend you pick up a few tubes of Arctic MX-4 thermal paste to keep on-hand. Should perform quite adequately in situations like this!
Linus Tech Tips also sells some thermal pads that last for like 20 to 40 years, could also be an option if he doesn’t want to deal with the paste
I've always been wary of using the computer thermal compound on my car. I generally pick up the packets from AutoZone and use those on my cars, people also tend to skip out on it on 80s era Chevys so the ICMs get fried constantly.
@@AikaCraftyCat as long as it is not near the exhaust manifold or pipes, operating range of the engine block should be between 180-220F (same as the cooling system), while there are automotive thermal pastes that are rated up to 500F as opposed to 300F for MX-4, the thermal conductivity of MX-4 should ensure these components are kept much cooler than the upper operating range of the paste.
No PC thermal paste will live that long. Silicone based thermal paste have lower thermal conductivity, but stay liquid for far longer.
@@БранимирПетров according to the MX-4 datasheet, the composition of MX-4 is Methyl silicone, Aluminium oxide and mono-crystalline Diamond (carbon microparticles).
Similar problem with my 91 F150 the ICM thermal paste deteriorated with time and caused the old one to overheat. Replaced it with new paste and back on road, sadly rust claimed it.
Ah yes, the Haynes manual …. “Reassembly is simply the reverse of the above steps”. The number of times I’ve sworn at it and left skin on the car…
Please stop tempting me with the DS - I’ve wanted one ever since my GSpecial - but shipping would be prohibitive (US -> UK).
The XM was probably designed for 101 octane fuel (Super grade) in Europe - and leaded. This was top of the range and would have additives included. I think the US fuel grades are lower (basic fuel in UK is 95 octane) which wouldn’t help
I so love the Citroen and Peugeot cars ( I also pronounce Citroen as you do). Had a Peugeot 505 and it handled better than a Caddy. would love to drive a XM for a day. Enjoy your channel and looking forward to your new lineup.
If you sit in the seats they’re designed to you look over the front seat passengers. Old big Citroens are made like that.
The French copy no one, and, no one copies the French... and, there's a very good reason for that!
Seeing this in the US must be like an UFO sighting. I'm surprised this isn't a video of your second channel.
Sing a Citron from this generation running reliably here in the US is even more unbelievable let's see what happens shall we
I seen the citroen all over Germany, they were really cool, especially in the early 90s.
I've been privileged to see the Citroen DS model on the road, and even got a close up look at the very special SM model back in the early 1970s. To meet the US Federal regulations of that time, Citroen had to replace the excellent European spec lighting and sleek clear cover with sealed beam headlamps. Despite the changes to make the SM US legal, it remained a beautiful car.
There is a YT channel called UPnDOWN and he has a US-spec SM. I have to say, those US spec headlights look horrible!!
Had a crash with one of these once, we where in another car, this thing drove out infront of us, it was all pretty low speeds, none was injured, just a fender bender...
I love these just like I love the DS and all the models in between, almost like this even more, that 80's and 80's boxy hotness just gets me all excited! :D
I live in the Netherlands and I freaking loved these XM's when I was a teenager and these were current. They were indeed quite high end, you'd typically see them parked at high end homes. As soon as they got over 6 years old they'd mostly really disappear. They were, as you said, not very reliable, and upkeep on it was very expensive, so there was no market for the second hand ones. Sad, I wouldn't mind getting and owning one. They still look really cool to me.
It was a good car in 2.0 Turbo guise or the latest 2.9 V6. It was very reliable BTW. There were many around here.
That car looks pretty awesome
Such a gorgeous car. I miss the 90's. I like how a lot of new vehicles are becoming square again and/or having really sharp lines. Hyundai Ioniq 5 and the new Land Cruiser have that old 90's boxy feel and I love it
This is a serious car, bravo. or in French Tres bien. I am not French but this is a real currant and future classic.
I remember when I first saw this as a young man ,. It looked like a frickin space ship !
You always forget the 4th element for an engine to run, compression.
Unless someone has deliberately removed the piston rings and or valves, an engine that has covered many miles will possess, at a minimum a 'modest compression' and will start. A very worn engine may run very poorly pushing out plumes of smoke, but it will start if it has spark, fuel, air and is timed correctly. My recent experience is with a JDM engine that had covered circa 500,000kms. The measured compression was around 60 to 80 psi with one cylinder recording 40 psi. It started but idled very poorly. In the aforesaid case, the valves were 'shot'.
I like these videos BUT I always wish we could see a tiny video of the car fixed and working leaving happy. Maybe an idea for youtube shorts so we can get a little closer on the cars we see. :)
Doug DeMuro did a review on the XM's smaller brethren, the mid-sized Citroën Xantia (an Activa V6 model) months ago. In order to start the car, you had to punch in a code in the immobilizer (nothing to do with the radio, ugh) keypad, which this XM has, before the start motor can crank!
Many European governments enacted legislation to have all cars in the 90s, I believe, to have these immobilizer systems equipped in order to thwart auto theft.
I used to see these all the time in Europe in 1991 - always loved this XM model.
Can't wait to see the follow up video when this little guy gets up and running. Vroom vroom!! :)
That was the first car I drove in Europe. I remember my grandfather freaking out because he was worried I was getting too close to the curb (I was 16 and a very new driver at the time.)
Also, I drove the diesel version of this, and it had a VERY heavy clutch. Sitting waiting to pull out in traffic was rough.
My grandfather had a whole series of this level Citroen, I remember the BX, XM, Xantia, C5...
Mrs wizard. Thank you for the shop update!! Great camera work😊😊
The two dots on the E mean that the "en" at the end is pronounced like N, "seetro N". If the two dots are missing, the N at the end is nasal.
André Citroen was his original Dutch name, but since the French cannot pronounce that, they put the tréma on the e. By the way, the last name of André 's grandfather was Limoenman, but his farther in-law didn't like it, too ordinary, so it was changed it to Citroen. André 's great-grandfather Roelof was a greengrocer in tropical fruit, hence his name. (English wikipedia is pretty accurate)
Great video, awesome car! I had a '92 2.0i 4 cyl gas XM. Sold it to a collector in 2014 at 22 years. Off the bat I was thinking 'ignition control module' because I had the exact same problem on mine. Thermal paste deteriorated with age, module overheated. Hard to find problem if you don't know about it. Overall the XM had a whole range of issues, fuel leaks, water hose leaks leading to a blown head gasket. But I loved the car and still miss it.
I bought the XM's successor, the C6, in 2010 (2006 model year), a 3.0 V6 gas engine (extremely rare). Still own it. Most comfortable ride I ever experienced. Even more comfy than my 2011 Crown Victoria that I also own that I bought as a reliable and comfortable successor to the C6 since the C6 is ridiculously expensive to maintain and parts are made with Unobtanium.
I'd drive this all day
My family had a Citroen back in 1986 when living in Germany. Great car!
Year was 2008 when I last time worked on a v6 XM, electrical gremlins ofc. One of the very best cars to travel in.
What a neat watch!
What a car. Gosh the French had quirky ideas in their car design.
But what an amazing looking machine.
I subscribed to Euro Asian Bob whilst watching this.
Best from me way Down Under in Middle Earth!
I spent many weekends, sitting on my father’s driveway, Haynes manual and cheap socket set beside me. I still have a couple.
I had a '94 2.1 turbo diesel vsx ,took it from 48k to 148k miles in ten years with only battery, brakes and clutch replaced . It did 42 mpg also
Mrs wizzard you missed some features of the XM inside
1) the information matrix on the dash
2) the arm rests on the doors should open to reveal small storage bins
3) the "13th" window behind the back seats so when you open the rear hatch anyone sitting in the back does not get cold wind or rain on them .
Wizzard the XM has 7 Spheres 1 for the accumulator then 1 at each wheel but there are also 2 more that are placed (1 on each axle these are linked to the suspension ride control from comfort to sport)
If you have some copper anti seize paste you can use that as heat transfer paste too
I remember their was a Maserati version with a manual. Bert Reynolds drove one in the first 15 minutes of "The Longest Yard".
That woul'd have been the SM, not this one.
The car Reynolds drove in that movie was the XM's predecessor, the Citroën-Maserati SM.
This is a car that was a technological tour de force back in 1972 when it was launched, but despite being hailed as European Car of the Year by motoring journalists over here, had a short and unhappy sales career. It was killed off by the following factors:
[1] Too much, too soon - it was, in effect, an exercise in overreach.
[2] The swivelling headlights that pointed where the steering wheel went were illegal in the USA, so Citroën had to make special US spec models, driving up production costs.
[3] The car was intended as a halo car, but the price tag was a bit much even for the rich playboy demographic it was aimed at.
[4] The choice of engine (dictated in part by French car tax legislation) was a highly strung and temperamental 90° V6 from Maserati. Which resulted in two additional woes:
[4a] To service the engine, owners had to take the car to a Maserati main dealer, and pony up Maserati prices, for a car with a Citroën badge;
[4b] The engine was an interference engine, with *very* fine tolerances - if you didn't keep the timing chains serviced regularly (and frequently - again with Maserati prices attached), the valve stems collided with the pistons, grenading the engine.
[5] The Saudi oil crisis in 1973 did the car no favours either.
This is a car that *really* deserved a better fate, because it featured technological bells and whistles that worked, and also had the legendary hydropneumatic suspension, that not only provided a "magic carpet "ride for comfort, but stiffened up intelligently to improve handling when driven hard. The car's avant-garde looks, part "DS19 for the 21st century", part "Straker's car from the UFO TV series" might have been a bit of an acquired taste, but the result was good looking in a certain way too.
In a forum post I posted elsewhere that covered the Citroën-Maserati SM, I described it in the following terms:
"Think of the SM as the DS19s edgy daughter, with a fondness for absinthe, Gauloises and adventurous bedroom games, and you won't go far wrong". :D
Which is probably the best summation of the SM I could give. :)
OVNI = UFO
Towards the end of my days in the IT Industry I was lucky enough to work with a guy that had very similar tastes to mine regarding sport & music. On cars we differed hugely. He loves XMs and had several. He got stopped at a data centre for ignoring the speed limit onsite as the XMs just glided over the speed bumps (I was going 1 corner at a time in my SW20). I miss Dave, but I don't miss that section of industry, prefer lorries now. FWIW, on a lemon, I'd have guessed at the stupid security code override - most get reprogrammed to 1234, I kid you not!
*opens Citroen hood
*instantly calls Better Help
Thx!!!! Always wanted to drive one. We had a DS and CX GTi back in the day...the good 'ol days!
My dad had one of these growing up in sweden. Most comfortable seats and suspension ever.. But man the electrical gremlins and hydraulic lines. Oh boy
Never in all my life did I think someone would call an XM super rare. How things change over the pond! - Wizard pronounces correctly as well
After owning a 99 Citroen Xantia diesel for 10 years I went with all answers are correct. I loved that car. It was wonderful. Unfortunately, it did more miles on the back of a tow truck than on the road.
My dad had a 1992 XM in the exact same grey as this car. It had a 2 litre petrol engine and was soooooo smooth. It wasn’t fast but it was like riding on a magic carpet. It wasn’t reliable and he sold it after it left him stranded in the middle of nowhere once too often.
I loved the XM when it was released in Australia. Great video Wizard.
I love the quirky cars. But as an 80's Volvo and Saab owner thats no surprise. Its cool to watch Wizard for serious into, reliable cars snd quirky vehicles. Heck you guys even owner a Trojan yacht. I love those too. The Whole 9 Yards......
Im surprised it wasn't also..D, E, and F. Love unique cars, my 1988 Alfa Romeo Milano has a fuel pump issue, but trying to get the parts is always fun.