1:05:10 - 1:06:02 The most concentrated prediction fails in under one minute I have EVER seen. “Is Milwaukee established?” “They’re definitely a little bit worse.” “I think they’ll (Boston) be competitive at times, but not ahead of Philly.” “Toronto now takes a step back.” “Oladipo not starting this season maybe for a couple of months is helpful too for them (Philly).” “The Heat aren’t going to be that serious.” “This should be Philly’s conference.” "It's all lined up for them." I’m in stitches. Subscribed.
i came to the comments to write this same comment. everything they said was wrong. and to the topic they were discussing, it looks like the 2019 playoffs will be the high point of the Embiid/Simmons duo
Eu Yes, I agree that really helps me visualize & remember what happened when. The whole point of watching this in RUclips. You cannot get the visuals elsewhere. Very well done. Keep this up. Love it.
You're not giving enough credit to the raptors defense. Statistically and by eye test, they're the greatest playoff defense since the 2000's pistons. There isn't another NBA team that could have stopped the Sixers and bucks imo
Nah, the Clippers took a full-strength(minus Cousins) Dubz squad to 6 games the same year WITHOUT Kawhi or PG. THIS year's clippers will overshadow whatever came before, and by miles. We won't have seen perimeter D this effective - even moreso today cuz teams are so 3-happy - since Jordan/Pippen days, if ever.
@@shaft9000 The Raptors were a much better defensive team then the Clippers last year. Watch game 2 against Orlando Magic to see what smothering defense looks like.
@@russcannings8673 especially the way OG been playing lately. I obviously wish Kawhi stayed but I can only say I don't miss him. Just unfortunate we can't see OG x Pascal x Kawhi on the floor. thats a line up that wont get scored on.
@@bboxxstance One could say this type of leap forward for Pascal and OG wouldn't be fully possibly with Kawhi on the team. Imagine our depth with Klaw and DG but still, this Raps team won't go away quietly in the semis
@@gahangore111not this year either...but my Nugs were just better. Unlike underachieving Philly-Miami has overachieved to conf finals 3 times,& 2 Finals since.
Crazy how wrong they all were about Jimmy Butler. They said he couldn’t be the first guy on a winning playoff team. The next year he had two 40 point triple doubles in the NBA finals.
@@GuappoZaccagnino I mean... were they wrong though? Or did he reach another level since then? Possibly they were wrong, it's an honest question. It's possible we couldn't see it because he was on a team with Embiid and Simmons, who were such a terrible fit, and *TERRIBLE* playoff players (in Simmons' case, a terrible player? He became one, although again, he *was* good for a while there, he didn't make an All-NBA team and All-Defense on potential... and Embiid is just such a flopper; it may be overly simplistic to say a flopper can't win because inherent to it is expecting the refs to bail you out and eventually you have to just get it done, but it may not be wrong). But I think back to what he did in Minny then Philly, and he may have just reached another level on MIA. Not only put in a better position with the team around him (a big chunk of credit going to coaching, of course) but also if he's hit another level with his basketball IQ, that he's just more efficient now.
Chris Ryan’s philly pain is so obvious in this video, and I love it (as another philly fan who’ll watch that shot replay for decades to come). That one “fuck off” was amazing. Also, when Colangelo was gm, he and his father brought in Mike DAntoni as an assistant coach. Their plan was to boot Brown for DAntoni
They didnt post up Embiid because Gasol is like statistically the best Embiid defender in the NBA. Other than Embiid's game 3 Gasol did a great job defending Embiid in the post.
And simmons is standing next to them. Or on the perimeter with his defender in embiids shorts. Ok, that's part of the reason but u cant ignore the horrible spacing.
as a sixers fan, I am back again listening to this before a game 7 to prepare myself for the worst. and in all honesty, it is hilarious how they said "85% chance this is not the highlight of the embiid simmons era, and it was"
I don't think it was that next level otherwise it wouldn't go 7 games. It came down to a last second shot to win. I gave the match up advantage to the Sixers but we had Kawai who made all the difference.
What amazes me is the US has completely ignored the most fascinating statistic/storyline from the Raptors title run.... Raptors had ZERO lottery picks on their playoff roster (Kahwai highest at 15) Compare with Sixers Embiid(3), Simmons(1)Reddick(11)Monroe(7) or the fact the Sixers spent nearly a decade tanking for high picks You covered dozens of different story angles out of one game, how was this not considered?
Ehh, this is a deliberately misleading stat and when you look at it closer, it becomes completely meaningless. Yeah, The raptors didn't have any lottery picks on their roster for the title run, but you're leaving out two very important parts: 1. Toronto didn't develop most of these guys. Yeah, they drafted Siakam and picked up Van Vleet, but all of the other guys were established on other teams. They didn't get Kawhi, Green, Gasol, or Ibaka from the start of their careers and develop them in house, they were already full established either as superstars, all stars, borderline allstars, or key rotation pieces. Even Lowry who blossomed with the Raptors was already starting to break out with Houston when they traded for him. You don't get to claim the work that other teams did developing these guys as if this is a credit to Toronto for finding undervalued players. 2. Even though none of the guys on their team were lottery picks, The Raptors had to give up at least one lottery pick for each of those key guys: Their 2013 pick for Lowry (which ended up being the 13th pick used on Steven Adams) Terrence Ross (8th in 2012) for Ibaka Demar Derozan (9th in 2009) and Jakob Poeltl (9th in 2016) for Kawhi and Danny Green Jonas Valanciunas (5th in 2011) for Gasol
@@Dinobot2 you do understand that Ibaka was garbage in Orlando so many thought getting him was stupid? As well people had written off Kawhi thinking he was faking an injury. The Raps may not have developed them but they gave them a new perspective on their games to be relevant again so you can throw stats but you can't measure the Raps philosophy.
@@barryallen6775 Lol no one thought that Ibaka was "garbage", but that Orlando was garbage and that him being there was a complete waste since they signed Bismack Biyombo as well. The dude was multiple time All-Defensive team and was the third best player on a team that went to the WCF a year before. No one who actually watches basketball thought that he was "garbage" after 4 months of playing on a sub-par Orlando team. Even his numbers in the 56 games he played with Orlando - 15.1 points, 6.8 rebs, 1.6 blocks on .488/.388/.846 shooting splits - are more or less in line with the numbers he's been putting up with the Raptors since. And even then, no one thought that the Raptors getting Ibaka in 2017 was "stupid" or even a bad idea. Literally no one. They gave up Terrence Ross and a late first rounder (the Raps had two that year) for a guy that months earlier, Orlando gave up Victor Oladipo for. The move for Ibaka by the Raptors was fairly well praised given that they needed to shore up their defense and give themselves a bit more of a stretch option at the PF and C spots. Please don't try Raptors revisionism with me. You will be proven wrong.
@@Dinobot2 thanks for the context. however, i think the point drsaunde1 was trying to make was that Phily's drastic 'process' was less successful than a well designed natural rebuild.
it is weird how he avg. 2 ppg in the 76ers series was absent after game 1 of the magic series was useless until game 4 of the bucks series and then woke up in games 4-6 and all but like 1 of the finals games
I reckon that changed it for them! I just think he was stressed about his Mrs giving birth and everything involved and it all went well, and went to the new born, daddy’s gotta go to work! And boom CHAMP!
I love how bill was covering heat spurs 2013 game 7 one of the best games ever played and he didn't mention it..he talked to lebron after....it won a title....lebron went off...what?..he hit the dagger late...smdh...this is the issue with these homers..he just mentions the celtics games vs the bucks in like round 1?..like stfu bill I hate him so much now ...hes so biased and lame it hurts...I get it it pains them to think about spurs choking but it happened...miami won..shove it nerds...that heat team was better all season...they just ran out of gas at the end...your play that series in feb.-may they win in 5..they just were on fumes..the spurs swept the lakers and swept the grizzlies cause russ got hurt...they were well rested due to 8 days off with miami going 7 with indy so they won game 1 in miami late due to parker and miami running out of gas but without that game this series ends in 6...for sure....sometimes the schedule helps a team even when they lose a series.....the heat were better period...I get it 2014 and the ray shot changes history but like the spurs were not better...they just got lucky
facts, and their "the East is made for Philly to take this year" take. lol talk about not fitting they are running two centers and two power forwards in their starting lineup
Raptors were one win away from going to the conference finals and beating Miami to go to back to back NBA finals. They matched up really well against AD , Lebron and the lakers that the raptors would’ve made it away better finals than the Heat vs Lakers
Four years later the Sixers can't get out of the second round while Butler has gotten to the finals twice and was a missed three from a third finals appearance. 🤣
The symmetry with 01 sixers raptors is crazy. 1) Carter missed G7 shot, Kawhi makes 2) Winner had to get past a very good Bucks team 3) Finals against a Western Conference Dynasty
For all the enjoyable talk from these obviously knowledgeable guys, there's a collective underappreciation of Toronto's defense. ALL the talk about Toronto is basically: "Outside of Kawhi and Ibaka, nobody could score". None of these guys appreciate how Toronto threw off Phili's offense. Toronto FORCED those shot clock violations in the final quarter for a reason.
Shot clock violations are one of the clearest 'eyeball test' signs we have of a team being locked down defensively. Disappointing that all these guys claim it was all Philly failing offensively rather than credit the Raptors' D.
The simple explanation is that although the sixers were a more talented team, the raptors were the better defensive unit and they had the best player in the series. On paper, that sixers squad should have beaten the raptors without too much problem, but the Raptors were greater than the sum of their parts and were lead by a man on a mission.
I disagree. Toronto won more games in the regular season despite sitting Kawhi a lot. They won I think it was 59 games the previous season without Kawhi; they gave up some of that to get him, of course, but top to bottom it was a pretty good team. It was not a fluke that they eventually won the title. Philly, you could say maybe had equal talent, but not the same fit. Toronto definitely should have won, and Philly played well making it as close as it was, especially with Game 7 on the road.
@@PoochieCollins I'm definitely not saying the Sixers were the better team , only that they had more talent 1-5 than the Raptors, The Raptors were the better team despite working with less. But they had smarter players (Gasol, Lowry, Kawhi, VanVleet, Siakim) constantly exploiting the Sixers, which tilted the series in their favour. Not to mention the Raps were better coached. They were greater than the sum of their parts, and it definitely helped that they had a player that went on one of the most dominant playoff performances in the last 20 years.
@@runthesix228 : I don't even know if the Raptors were less talented. 59 win team, minus a few medium pieces, plus Kawhi. Saying Philly's talented is a misnomer because the pieces didn't compliment each other that well. It's hard to analysis how well they were coached because of this poor general management job.
@@PoochieCollins The fact that their players didn't play as well together as the Raptors just underlines the fact that they weren't a better team. Ben Simmons has more talent then Kyle Lowry. But Lowry is a smarter player and better playmaker. Joel Embiid has more talent than Gasol or Ibaka, but the Raps played smarter defensive schemes that neutralized him (I don't buy the BS that he under performed due to sickness). Jimmy Butler was the best Sixers player in the series. Tobias Harris, who should have been an allstar last season, put up better scoring numbers than Green in that series. Actually Green played heavy minutes in that series but scored 2 , 7, 8 and 3 points in 4 of those games, even Reddick was better offensively. The Raptors' team D was crucial. The only player who was consistently excellent, on either team games 1-7, was Kawhi. He was truly the X-factor. Yes the Raps won more games than the Sixers, but the regular season isn't really that meaningful, because come playoff time its mostly going to be each team's best 5 facing off for like 40 minutes a night. Look at the 2016 Cavs title. Did GSW lose because the Cavs were more talented? No, they won more games in regular season history, but they ran into an unstoppable Lebron. Much like the Sixers ran into an unstoppable Kawhi. I love the Raps, that's my team, but I feel that Kawhi carried the team in this series.
Maybe the third time they watch this game they'll realize the Sixers looks so bad on offence because of the Raptors defence and that Philly doesn't know how to get a bucket when things go badly while Toronto does. Happy they saw the Raptors were getting open looks just not hitting them. Sixers were lucky to be close
Excellent breakdown & analysis of this series. Sixers were always the main team & the only one Raptors fans thought would be their hardest challenge, and panned out exactly as we thought it would. The reason Siakam struggled this series, is because the Sixers were so tall/long & fast. Reddick & Jimmy were the 2 that killed us, and it's so odd that they were both traded.
As I recall, vanfleet's first child was born during the playoffs, and then he started making most of his shots. Men do best with inspiration. Nothing is more inspirational than the birth of your child.
I think it was more likely just having a wife 8.5 months pregnant was occupying his time and mind. I remember hearing he was flying back and forth to see his wife in michigan between games and practices. Once baby was born and healthy he could focus again
So there's a few reasons people were cool with Kawhi leaving. One, we actually were a lot closer to keeping Kawhi then people realize. That's why Jalen came out saying 99% staying on a 2 year deal. But I feel like OKC came out the best of anyone. I feel bad for the Clippers because they HAVE to win a title in these next 2 years for what they gave up. Also, now the Raptors are in an underdog role as the defending champions. People who know basketball realize how deep the Raptors team is. Vanfleet had 34 points on opening night. Siakam had 32 with 18 rebounds and 4 assists. They gave away a win in Boston. The Raptors are supposed to be behind Milwaukee, Philadelphia and Boston somehow, but the Raps looked like the better team for 40 minutes. They have the best one two punch at center with Gasol and Ibaka. One of the best one two punches at PG with Lowry and Fred. Siakam is going to go from most improved to a top 15 guy and a for sure allstar. OG Ananoby might make it to MIP this season. The Raptors are full of defensive talent. There's no guy on the roster who's a defensive liability. Siakam's length helps his offense but also his defense. But OG will make a lot of noise this year. 17 points the other night and 4 big blocks. Ibaka had 3, Gasol had 2..there's gonna be a block parade let alone a party and I think it's hilarious when people say the Raptors will be sold off for parts. This is going to be a 50+ win team. You don't sell off for parts or really know the Raptors roster very well if you think that will happen. Both Siakam and Fred Vanfleet came up through the 905 club. Boucher is a guy who snapped over the last 2 seasons with the 905 club. They won the championship and he averaged 25 and 12 a night as a very athletic big man. Now he's up with the Raptors and his minutes will slowly go up as they try not to have Gasol and Ibaka with too many minutes this season. Keep sleeping on the Raptors. I think Kawhi is gonna regret not making his own decision and allowing uncle Dennis to influence too much. The only thing that helps is the West is definitely weaker this year.
plus, kawhi really did want to go home, that 1 answer he gave for a question for an interview about how it mattered not about the organization, the raptors were first class organizations & everything, but simply wanted to come home because he really missed seein his family, watchin the kids grow up, watchin the ppl around him grow, spendin time with the family, comin from the socal are, all gave me closure and i was more than happy with kawhi departin when the ball was on his court to decide
I agree staying with the raptors was the easiest path to another finals, but home is home. I also a agree that people are sleeping in this year's raptors though I think you might be getting a bit ahead of yourself with all that sunshine. Gasol needs to prove he can still do it, and OG needs to play 20 games in a row before I start getting too excited.
It's really amazing watching Philly lose - the fact that they had more talent but less team cohesion and also just how awkward Ben Simmons looks within the team dynamic which pushes Embiid to the perimeter. So prescient when you consider the Philly loss to Atlanta in 2021 second round, and the whole Simmons drama that created.
ben simmons is being compared to being used like 2005 ben wallace on offense..thats not something you thought you would say about the next lebron james magic hybrid first pick..with wallace he was undersized center and undrafted...thats why he was a story..and he could get 4 blks....easily...ben simmons should not be ben wallace in game 7 ...he should be magic
they need to seriously do spurs heat game 7 2013....that was one of the greatest games ever played 4 hall of famers on miami 4 on the spurs gong at it ...shane battier was the heroe …2 great coaches...come on now 2 point game 30 seconds to go bron with 26 seconds hits the dagger to win it basically....great game 7 from bron.....hits 5 threes validates his move....one of the best seasons ever capped off with a title....37 and 12 to win it...just amazing..bosh allen miller andersen haslem combined 2 points....chalmers 1-7 from 3...it was all bron and battier and wade and chalmers
I get their celtic and 76ers fans but magic fisher horry mj and ray had the 5 best shots ever....4 of them won titles because of it...the fisher shot was insane...
If you look at the playoff stats from last year, between Giannis and Kawhi, there isn't much separating the two as a whole (and one could make the case Giannis actually gets the nod); then again, Kawhi did win the chip, so.... However, It is probably not fair to walk away from last year saying Kawhi is bar none the best player in the league all things considered. He very well may be though....
Overall, a great podcast...until they start mocking (with 110% assurance and arrogance) Toronto's heart, coaching and stance as a champion at the very end. As of the new year, The Rap are 8th in league-wide winning %, right between Houston and Dallas, despite a rash of injuries. The Raptors ARE and DO BELIEVE that THEY defend the crown. Next man up, we believe. All we need is for Siakam to be 70% of Kawhi's numbers and everyone contribute a bit more. Play smart. Listen to your coach. Our path at its toughest would be Philly, Milwaukee, and the Clippers in the playoffs. Philly is (always) wildly inconsistent, the Bucks are essentially one Freak, and, wow, the Clip would be tough - like playin' yo daddy. Either way, it's not unfathomable, nor unreasonable. Sooooo sure, they are.
PLEASE do more rewatchables of past NBA games, I loved this
1:04:01 "What if this is the highlight of the embiid simmons era" it was hahaha
1:05:10 - 1:06:02 The most concentrated prediction fails in under one minute I have EVER seen.
“Is Milwaukee established?” “They’re definitely a little bit worse.”
“I think they’ll (Boston) be competitive at times, but not ahead of Philly.”
“Toronto now takes a step back.”
“Oladipo not starting this season maybe for a couple of months is helpful too for them (Philly).”
“The Heat aren’t going to be that serious.”
“This should be Philly’s conference.”
"It's all lined up for them."
I’m in stitches.
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When they fuck you I just laugh!
When they fuck you I just laugh!
When they fuck you I just laugh!
Really? Laughable? You're not honest with yourself.
i came to the comments to write this same comment.
everything they said was wrong.
and to the topic they were discussing, it looks like the 2019 playoffs will be the high point of the Embiid/Simmons duo
Really love the game footage inclusion. You guys did a terrific job.
Eu Yes, I agree that really helps me visualize & remember what happened when. The whole point of watching this in RUclips. You cannot get the visuals elsewhere. Very well done. Keep this up. Love it.
You're not giving enough credit to the raptors defense.
Statistically and by eye test, they're the greatest playoff defense since the 2000's pistons. There isn't another NBA team that could have stopped the Sixers and bucks imo
icesticles Yea their defense was absolutely smothering all playoffs
Nah, the Clippers took a full-strength(minus Cousins) Dubz squad to 6 games the same year WITHOUT Kawhi or PG.
THIS year's clippers will overshadow whatever came before, and by miles. We won't have seen perimeter D this effective - even moreso today cuz teams are so 3-happy - since Jordan/Pippen days, if ever.
@@shaft9000 adding harkless kawhi pg adds so much insane defensive length
@@shaft9000 you're watching the wrong video. This is a raptors/6ers discussion.
@@shaft9000 The Raptors were a much better defensive team then the Clippers last year. Watch game 2 against Orlando Magic to see what smothering defense looks like.
I think the Raptors were the best 3 and D team of all time. Up and down the roster, good to great defenders and good shooters.
In NBA Champion Edition Toronto Raptors would be a great team to play with
Very true, they even missed a good 3 and D guy in OG Anenouby
And they survived 2 rounds with ice cold FVV and Powell. Once those guys contributed, that helped a lot. Imagine a fully healthy OG on that team.
@@russcannings8673 especially the way OG been playing lately. I obviously wish Kawhi stayed but I can only say I don't miss him. Just unfortunate we can't see OG x Pascal x Kawhi on the floor. thats a line up that wont get scored on.
@@bboxxstance One could say this type of leap forward for Pascal and OG wouldn't be fully possibly with Kawhi on the team. Imagine our depth with Klaw and DG but still, this Raps team won't go away quietly in the semis
1:03:53 wow was this indeed the peak of Simmons-Embiid as a Duo.
I was just looking to see if anyone else caught that. This has to be over the hawks which was a complete collapse. Poor Chris Ryan.
The Jimmy Butler slander in this video the next season when Kawhi flames out in the 2nd round and Jimmy goes to the Finals
Wow this aged well lol
@@alexarroyo523 lol
Is this the year Jimmy wins one?
@@gahangore111not this year either...but my Nugs were just better. Unlike underachieving Philly-Miami has overachieved to conf finals 3 times,& 2 Finals since.
Aged like milk
Crazy how wrong they all were about Jimmy Butler. They said he couldn’t be the first guy on a winning playoff team. The next year he had two 40 point triple doubles in the NBA finals.
even crazier now lol
@@GuappoZaccagnino I mean... were they wrong though? Or did he reach another level since then?
Possibly they were wrong, it's an honest question. It's possible we couldn't see it because he was on a team with Embiid and Simmons, who were such a terrible fit, and *TERRIBLE* playoff players (in Simmons' case, a terrible player? He became one, although again, he *was* good for a while there, he didn't make an All-NBA team and All-Defense on potential... and Embiid is just such a flopper; it may be overly simplistic to say a flopper can't win because inherent to it is expecting the refs to bail you out and eventually you have to just get it done, but it may not be wrong). But I think back to what he did in Minny then Philly, and he may have just reached another level on MIA. Not only put in a better position with the team around him (a big chunk of credit going to coaching, of course) but also if he's hit another level with his basketball IQ, that he's just more efficient now.
as a sixers fan, im here watching this again an hour before the sixers V hawks game 7..... just emotionally preparing for the worst case scenario
I’m sorry big bro 😂😂
Yikes
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Moments before disaster 😭
What’s aged the worst? Bill, Ryen, and Chris saying the Raptors would fall back down to earth and sell off for parts
they also insisted that 'everything's lined up for the sixers' to win the conference for years to come. guess they really trust the process LOL
Chris Ryan’s philly pain is so obvious in this video, and I love it (as another philly fan who’ll watch that shot replay for decades to come). That one “fuck off” was amazing. Also, when Colangelo was gm, he and his father brought in Mike DAntoni as an assistant coach. Their plan was to boot Brown for DAntoni
They didnt post up Embiid because Gasol is like statistically the best Embiid defender in the NBA. Other than Embiid's game 3 Gasol did a great job defending Embiid in the post.
And simmons is standing next to them. Or on the perimeter with his defender in embiids shorts. Ok, that's part of the reason but u cant ignore the horrible spacing.
Yes, Gasol owns Embiid. Then I found out that Gasol is a mentor to him...
All the Jimmy butler and heat takes aged horribly wrong
as a sixers fan, I am back again listening to this before a game 7 to prepare myself for the worst. and in all honesty, it is hilarious how they said "85% chance this is not the highlight of the embiid simmons era, and it was"
*One of the best breakdown videos Ive seen. Perfect. So well done. This type of work puts ESPN to complete shame!*
yet they said keith van horn was on the 2000-2001 76ers..he wasn't....
Nah this was bias as hell. Discrediting raptors defensive play and Nurse’s coaching
Any real sports talk puts ESPN to shame. The focus is no longer sports at ESPN.
Give Raptors more credit, their defense was next level....Lowry, Siakam, Ibaka, VanVleet all did their duties
I don't think it was that next level otherwise it wouldn't go 7 games. It came down to a last second shot to win. I gave the match up advantage to the Sixers but we had Kawai who made all the difference.
kawhi gasol and danny deserve more defensive love...I love fred but come on now...he was not a stopper ...
@@nicktolentino8250 you had a better coach in Nick Nurse.
That was the best game of the whole playoffs. The defence was real and no one got easy buckets.
I guarantee Bill didn't get the smash bros comparison lol
Jacobanshee FAX i was just thinking that lmao
Yeah.................
He was also 30 when the first one came out, can’t blame him.
ive played a ton of fighting games & have played smash & seen a ton of smash, that reference still didnt really make sense
He was playing video games at the time
What amazes me is the US has completely ignored the most fascinating statistic/storyline from the Raptors title run....
Raptors had ZERO lottery picks on their playoff roster (Kahwai highest at 15)
Compare with Sixers Embiid(3), Simmons(1)Reddick(11)Monroe(7)
or the fact the Sixers spent nearly a decade tanking for high picks
You covered dozens of different story angles out of one game, how was this not considered?
Ehh, this is a deliberately misleading stat and when you look at it closer, it becomes completely meaningless. Yeah, The raptors didn't have any lottery picks on their roster for the title run, but you're leaving out two very important parts:
1. Toronto didn't develop most of these guys. Yeah, they drafted Siakam and picked up Van Vleet, but all of the other guys were established on other teams. They didn't get Kawhi, Green, Gasol, or Ibaka from the start of their careers and develop them in house, they were already full established either as superstars, all stars, borderline allstars, or key rotation pieces. Even Lowry who blossomed with the Raptors was already starting to break out with Houston when they traded for him. You don't get to claim the work that other teams did developing these guys as if this is a credit to Toronto for finding undervalued players.
2. Even though none of the guys on their team were lottery picks, The Raptors had to give up at least one lottery pick for each of those key guys:
Their 2013 pick for Lowry (which ended up being the 13th pick used on Steven Adams)
Terrence Ross (8th in 2012) for Ibaka
Demar Derozan (9th in 2009) and Jakob Poeltl (9th in 2016) for Kawhi and Danny Green
Jonas Valanciunas (5th in 2011) for Gasol
The Sixers stars are kids though. They will finish their careers with more rings than Siakam and Co (maybe not Kawhi).
@@Dinobot2
you do understand that Ibaka was garbage in Orlando so many thought getting him was stupid? As well people had written off Kawhi thinking he was faking an injury. The Raps may not have developed them but they gave them a new perspective on their games to be relevant again so you can throw stats but you can't measure the Raps philosophy.
@@barryallen6775 Lol no one thought that Ibaka was "garbage", but that Orlando was garbage and that him being there was a complete waste since they signed Bismack Biyombo as well. The dude was multiple time All-Defensive team and was the third best player on a team that went to the WCF a year before. No one who actually watches basketball thought that he was "garbage" after 4 months of playing on a sub-par Orlando team. Even his numbers in the 56 games he played with Orlando - 15.1 points, 6.8 rebs, 1.6 blocks on .488/.388/.846 shooting splits - are more or less in line with the numbers he's been putting up with the Raptors since.
And even then, no one thought that the Raptors getting Ibaka in 2017 was "stupid" or even a bad idea. Literally no one. They gave up Terrence Ross and a late first rounder (the Raps had two that year) for a guy that months earlier, Orlando gave up Victor Oladipo for. The move for Ibaka by the Raptors was fairly well praised given that they needed to shore up their defense and give themselves a bit more of a stretch option at the PF and C spots.
Please don't try Raptors revisionism with me. You will be proven wrong.
@@Dinobot2 thanks for the context. however, i think the point drsaunde1 was trying to make was that Phily's drastic 'process' was less successful than a well designed natural rebuild.
Vanvleet went on fire after the birth of his child
it is weird how he avg. 2 ppg in the 76ers series was absent after game 1 of the magic series was useless until game 4 of the bucks series and then woke up in games 4-6 and all but like 1 of the finals games
I reckon that changed it for them! I just think he was stressed about his Mrs giving birth and everything involved and it all went well, and went to the new born, daddy’s gotta go to work! And boom CHAMP!
Would LOVE to see more of these. This was brilliant! Thanks for putting it out.
Unanswerable question? The game was tied before the final shot went down. Who would've won in overtime? Never once mentioned.
I love how bill was covering heat spurs 2013 game 7 one of the best games ever played and he didn't mention it..he talked to lebron after....it won a title....lebron went off...what?..he hit the dagger late...smdh...this is the issue with these homers..he just mentions the celtics games vs the bucks in like round 1?..like stfu bill I hate him so much now ...hes so biased and lame it hurts...I get it it pains them to think about spurs choking but it happened...miami won..shove it nerds...that heat team was better all season...they just ran out of gas at the end...your play that series in feb.-may they win in 5..they just were on fumes..the spurs swept the lakers and swept the grizzlies cause russ got hurt...they were well rested due to 8 days off with miami going 7 with indy so they won game 1 in miami late due to parker and miami running out of gas but without that game this series ends in 6...for sure....sometimes the schedule helps a team even when they lose a series.....the heat were better period...I get it 2014 and the ray shot changes history but like the spurs were not better...they just got lucky
bill keeps saying it was a game winning 3 aswell
Vagabond_Charlie Lol you’re right about 2014 but I couldn’t help read that in Skip’s voice
A year later and what have we learned? Jimmy Butler knows how to win.
Bill's Jimmy Butler take here aged really badly really quickly lol 17:19
Absolutely horrendously
“Kawhi better than Lebron at playmaking.” That aged like horse shit.
17:00 bet Bill Simmons wishes he can take this back now
The description says that this was game 7 of the ECF when it was actually the ECSF
Lol, watching this in 2021, it's hilarious that there's a whole section on Jimmy Butler being a second tier guy.
The Raptors were horrible offensively this series. They missed so many wide open shots. They picked it up vs the Bucks and Warriors.
Nah Bruh it was the D.
@@dbradandthem2727 No, it was an actual stat. They missed a crazy amount of open shots.
This was the highlight of the Embiid-Simmons era. That 15% was hit.
What's aged the worst: "They're gonna sell this team for parts."
facts, and their "the East is made for Philly to take this year" take. lol talk about not fitting they are running two centers and two power forwards in their starting lineup
Watching this five months since the last comment. The jimmy butler assessment is sometimes comically off
@@matthewroche5377 And still I don't believe. :-)
Raptors were one win away from going to the conference finals and beating Miami to go to back to back NBA finals. They matched up really well against AD , Lebron and the lakers that the raptors would’ve made it away better finals than the Heat vs Lakers
Four years later the Sixers can't get out of the second round while Butler has gotten to the finals twice and was a missed three from a third finals appearance. 🤣
The symmetry with 01 sixers raptors is crazy.
1) Carter missed G7 shot, Kawhi makes
2) Winner had to get past a very good Bucks team
3) Finals against a Western Conference Dynasty
I would watch every one of these you make. Please make more. Very entertaining
Rewatching these was great but some collddddd takes: Raptors gonna sell off parts, Miami not gonna be "serious", etc.
37:15 Couldn't even find the clip Bill, cmon!
All jokes aside, I can't find the radio reaction anywhere.
Kukoc, with Pippen on the bench.
That one had so much drama.
I still can't believe that shot, simply unbelievable... 😃
Rusillo's Raptors hate is palpable
For all the enjoyable talk from these obviously knowledgeable guys, there's a collective underappreciation of Toronto's defense. ALL the talk about Toronto is basically: "Outside of Kawhi and Ibaka, nobody could score". None of these guys appreciate how Toronto threw off Phili's offense. Toronto FORCED those shot clock violations in the final quarter for a reason.
Shot clock violations are one of the clearest 'eyeball test' signs we have of a team being locked down defensively. Disappointing that all these guys claim it was all Philly failing offensively rather than credit the Raptors' D.
The simple explanation is that although the sixers were a more talented team, the raptors were the better defensive unit and they had the best player in the series. On paper, that sixers squad should have beaten the raptors without too much problem, but the Raptors were greater than the sum of their parts and were lead by a man on a mission.
I disagree. Toronto won more games in the regular season despite sitting Kawhi a lot. They won I think it was 59 games the previous season without Kawhi; they gave up some of that to get him, of course, but top to bottom it was a pretty good team. It was not a fluke that they eventually won the title. Philly, you could say maybe had equal talent, but not the same fit. Toronto definitely should have won, and Philly played well making it as close as it was, especially with Game 7 on the road.
@@PoochieCollins I'm definitely not saying the Sixers were the better team , only that they had more talent 1-5 than the Raptors, The Raptors were the better team despite working with less. But they had smarter players (Gasol, Lowry, Kawhi, VanVleet, Siakim) constantly exploiting the Sixers, which tilted the series in their favour. Not to mention the Raps were better coached. They were greater than the sum of their parts, and it definitely helped that they had a player that went on one of the most dominant playoff performances in the last 20 years.
@@runthesix228 : I don't even know if the Raptors were less talented. 59 win team, minus a few medium pieces, plus Kawhi. Saying Philly's talented is a misnomer because the pieces didn't compliment each other that well. It's hard to analysis how well they were coached because of this poor general management job.
@@PoochieCollins The fact that their players didn't play as well together as the Raptors just underlines the fact that they weren't a better team. Ben Simmons has more talent then Kyle Lowry. But Lowry is a smarter player and better playmaker. Joel Embiid has more talent than Gasol or Ibaka, but the Raps played smarter defensive schemes that neutralized him (I don't buy the BS that he under performed due to sickness). Jimmy Butler was the best Sixers player in the series. Tobias Harris, who should have been an allstar last season, put up better scoring numbers than Green in that series. Actually Green played heavy minutes in that series but scored 2 , 7, 8 and 3 points in 4 of those games, even Reddick was better offensively. The Raptors' team D was crucial. The only player who was consistently excellent, on either team games 1-7, was Kawhi. He was truly the X-factor. Yes the Raps won more games than the Sixers, but the regular season isn't really that meaningful, because come playoff time its mostly going to be each team's best 5 facing off for like 40 minutes a night. Look at the 2016 Cavs title. Did GSW lose because the Cavs were more talented? No, they won more games in regular season history, but they ran into an unstoppable Lebron. Much like the Sixers ran into an unstoppable Kawhi. I love the Raps, that's my team, but I feel that Kawhi carried the team in this series.
Toronto had the better coach
Maybe the third time they watch this game they'll realize the Sixers looks so bad on offence because of the Raptors defence and that Philly doesn't know how to get a bucket when things go badly while Toronto does.
Happy they saw the Raptors were getting open looks just not hitting them.
Sixers were lucky to be close
It went 7 games. Stop it. IF Kawhi is called for that TRAVEL. IF Embiid didn't miss a game with illness....stop it.
@@dbradandthem2727 if, if, if. stop it.
nostalgia for late oct 2019..... things seemed to peaceful and easy.... sigh the corona blues
1:03:52 wow Simmons was probably right😂😂😂
Excellent breakdown & analysis of this series.
Sixers were always the main team & the only one Raptors fans thought would be their hardest challenge, and panned out exactly as we thought it would. The reason Siakam struggled this series, is because the Sixers were so tall/long & fast. Reddick & Jimmy were the 2 that killed us, and it's so odd that they were both traded.
@rvd356 Jimmy Butler was a sign and trade
This podcast is money! 👌🏼
Can we PLEASE do more Sports rewatchables? This rules.
The Sixer’s fans tears still taste so sweet. Got a few in fridge I break out for special occasions
It's 2021 and embid simmons still doesn't work , clearly
As I recall, vanfleet's first child was born during the playoffs, and then he started making most of his shots.
Men do best with inspiration.
Nothing is more inspirational than the birth of your child.
Second child. First son
I think it was more likely just having a wife 8.5 months pregnant was occupying his time and mind. I remember hearing he was flying back and forth to see his wife in michigan between games and practices. Once baby was born and healthy he could focus again
20:15 explains why Kawhi is underrated and the best in the league
28:08 I watched this in real life, and I was like 'Good lord!'. He had a face in his face and it almost didn't flinch Kawhi at all.
So there's a few reasons people were cool with Kawhi leaving. One, we actually were a lot closer to keeping Kawhi then people realize. That's why Jalen came out saying 99% staying on a 2 year deal. But I feel like OKC came out the best of anyone. I feel bad for the Clippers because they HAVE to win a title in these next 2 years for what they gave up.
Also, now the Raptors are in an underdog role as the defending champions. People who know basketball realize how deep the Raptors team is. Vanfleet had 34 points on opening night. Siakam had 32 with 18 rebounds and 4 assists. They gave away a win in Boston. The Raptors are supposed to be behind Milwaukee, Philadelphia and Boston somehow, but the Raps looked like the better team for 40 minutes.
They have the best one two punch at center with Gasol and Ibaka. One of the best one two punches at PG with Lowry and Fred. Siakam is going to go from most improved to a top 15 guy and a for sure allstar. OG Ananoby might make it to MIP this season. The Raptors are full of defensive talent. There's no guy on the roster who's a defensive liability. Siakam's length helps his offense but also his defense. But OG will make a lot of noise this year. 17 points the other night and 4 big blocks. Ibaka had 3, Gasol had 2..there's gonna be a block parade let alone a party and I think it's hilarious when people say the Raptors will be sold off for parts. This is going to be a 50+ win team. You don't sell off for parts or really know the Raptors roster very well if you think that will happen.
Both Siakam and Fred Vanfleet came up through the 905 club. Boucher is a guy who snapped over the last 2 seasons with the 905 club. They won the championship and he averaged 25 and 12 a night as a very athletic big man. Now he's up with the Raptors and his minutes will slowly go up as they try not to have Gasol and Ibaka with too many minutes this season.
Keep sleeping on the Raptors. I think Kawhi is gonna regret not making his own decision and allowing uncle Dennis to influence too much. The only thing that helps is the West is definitely weaker this year.
plus, kawhi really did want to go home, that 1 answer he gave for a question for an interview about how it mattered not about the organization, the raptors were first class organizations & everything, but simply wanted to come home because he really missed seein his family, watchin the kids grow up, watchin the ppl around him grow, spendin time with the family, comin from the socal are, all gave me closure and i was more than happy with kawhi departin when the ball was on his court to decide
I agree staying with the raptors was the easiest path to another finals, but home is home. I also a agree that people are sleeping in this year's raptors though I think you might be getting a bit ahead of yourself with all that sunshine. Gasol needs to prove he can still do it, and OG needs to play 20 games in a row before I start getting too excited.
It's really amazing watching Philly lose - the fact that they had more talent but less team cohesion and also just how awkward Ben Simmons looks within the team dynamic which pushes Embiid to the perimeter. So prescient when you consider the Philly loss to Atlanta in 2021 second round, and the whole Simmons drama that created.
They were way off on how they thought the raptors would be trash the next season
Lol Russillo with that STL cards hat looks exactly like Matt Holiday
He is like Tim Duncan Dominant on offence and defense. No showing off, all efficiency and emotions always in check.
Funny to listen to them talk about Leonard as if he’s better than lebron after learned played like lebron for 1 night
i really think its unfair to Simmons... Embiid clearly cuts him off, that is the reason that he stopped
Agreed
On the other hand, Embiid contested it perfectly. Any more contest would have been a block.
ben simmons is being compared to being used like 2005 ben wallace on offense..thats not something you thought you would say about the next lebron james magic hybrid first pick..with wallace he was undersized center and undrafted...thats why he was a story..and he could get 4 blks....easily...ben simmons should not be ben wallace in game 7 ...he should be magic
Other than Bird? Lol Bill cannot help himself
they need to seriously do spurs heat game 7 2013....that was one of the greatest games ever played 4 hall of famers on miami 4 on the spurs gong at it ...shane battier was the heroe …2 great coaches...come on now 2 point game 30 seconds to go bron with 26 seconds hits the dagger to win it basically....great game 7 from bron.....hits 5 threes validates his move....one of the best seasons ever capped off with a title....37 and 12 to win it...just amazing..bosh allen miller andersen haslem combined 2 points....chalmers 1-7 from 3...it was all bron and battier and wade and chalmers
The fuck off from Chris at 54:04 is my mood as a Sixers fan watching this breakdown of that shot/game 😔😂
I love how the Butler Heat are better than the Simmons-Embiid Sixers. Talking points heading into the season totally wrong.
The shade thrown at Butler didn't age well.
I mean guys come on. Do some more of this video rewatchables. I heard the audio feed on Google Podcast but nothing beats the video format to me.
37:22 can anyone find that sixers broadcast? That is so funny.
Its the second most sports moment for me. Right after Paul Henderson.
love watching those back a couple of years later to see what takes aged good and wich did not....Jimmy Buckets only ever can be your second guy xD
That was fun!
How poorly has the "Jimmy Buttler is a 2nd Level player" comment aged????
1:05:58 this didnt age well for him
And them saying it’s the sixers conference
That awkward moment when this WAS the highlight for Simmons/Embiid 😂😂😂 1:04:01
embiid is not 7'3 lmao
7'0 ikr
@@kawhileopard2174 more like 7'1 looking 7'2. He seems huge
@@octopus8420 unless he grew
I get their celtic and 76ers fans but magic fisher horry mj and ray had the 5 best shots ever....4 of them won titles because of it...the fisher shot was insane...
@@razkable He was talking about GWers. Ray's merely sent the game to OT. Awesome shot still but not qualified for the convo
It was a miracle that the sixers took the raps to 7. That was the miracle.
That ending kills me everytime
Completely forgetting how much Marc pulled out the old man moves on Embiid in this series. He couldn't get it going in the post.
If you look at the playoff stats from last year, between Giannis and Kawhi, there isn't much separating the two as a whole (and one could make the case Giannis actually gets the nod); then again, Kawhi did win the chip, so....
However, It is probably not fair to walk away from last year saying Kawhi is bar none the best player in the league all things considered. He very well may be though....
Overall, a great podcast...until they start mocking (with 110% assurance and arrogance) Toronto's heart, coaching and stance as a champion at the very end. As of the new year, The Rap are 8th in league-wide winning %, right between Houston and Dallas, despite a rash of injuries. The Raptors ARE and DO BELIEVE that THEY defend the crown. Next man up, we believe. All we need is for Siakam to be 70% of Kawhi's numbers and everyone contribute a bit more. Play smart. Listen to your coach. Our path at its toughest would be Philly, Milwaukee, and the Clippers in the playoffs. Philly is (always) wildly inconsistent, the Bucks are essentially one Freak, and, wow, the Clip would be tough - like playin' yo daddy. Either way, it's not unfathomable, nor unreasonable. Sooooo sure, they are.
Tim Duncan 2005 game 7 was similar. Non efficient game from Tim, he was the guy San Antonio was going to win or lose with and he/they won.
Did Bill just casually throw shade at Mitch Richmond for being in the HOF but yet he thinks Rob Horry should be in it 😂
This is Premium NBA content right here.
Solid content
Low pressure shot with the score tied. Miss and you keep playing. Wasn't a miss and go home. But it was amazing. A harder shot is if raps down 1.
Jimmy Butler is a top 10 player for sure. Nobody has taken Bron to the end like he did.
Would you guys do the podcast on Kawhi vs Giannis in Game 6 of the 2019 playoffs?
Cause kawahi was in Toronto... Lol that's why he was unappreciated by the media.
More vidcasts for these Book of Basketball eps please!
The last few raptors takes did not age well haha
Is this on a podcast feed anywhere?
The Book of Basketball podcast
*Is that a MUTUMBO Starting Lineup in the background behind 👓guy?* 🤔
Hey guys, y'know the Raptors won the championship, right?
@25:20 around there, this was absolutely a redemption playoffs for ibaka
Kawhi went full second 3 peat Jordan in this game, where stat wise it wont be the best, but still effective
do more rewatchables, nba and nfl!
The jimmy butler talk has not aged well
What's up with those ringer cups Bill?!?!?! Trying to get my hands on them!!!
All-time Simmons take at 16:51(lol).
Why does Bill keep saying it was a three? Wasn't this an obvious two? Am I missing something?
This was great
When do we get the “Unwatchables”. ??? Like Fox’s Thursday Night Football halftime show.
Ben wasnt tired of playing basketball. He was tired of playing with Butler.