This REALLY changes everything! 3D bass! BassLane Pro
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- This plugin blew me away. Offers a unique approach on how to get solid low end with a 3D enhancement without all the nasties ;)
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I’ve done this long time and im sure others know this tip as well: duplicate the bass on the dublicate add voxengo stereotouch and your favorite distortion and drive it(saturn for me) , cut frequencies below 120hz or start from there! Switch between plugins placement to listen which fits your mix!
it's the same, but this is just faster
You can do this with Ozone Imager + Saturn also, no? The benefit of Bassline Pro is the fine-tuning of the type of harmonics that are added. I've no idea how Ozone 10 is adding stereo info to my bass. Is there any benefit with Voxengo in this regard?
@@RJ1J voxengo will spread the signal with no phase issues when collapsed in mono!
YOU MUST BE SO DUMP TO USE RUSSIAN PLUGIN THESE DAYS. THIS IS RIDICULOUS
dude! do you offer mixing services? thanks for the tips!
Finally a solution for those songs when they want the low end super wide, but now I don't have to sacrifice the impact!
I knew you’d dig it !
If I may, this is a really cool plugin for workflow and ease of use. No question about that. However, I would like to further explain this "complex" chain to achieve the same effect, for a fraction of the cost. Potentially for free given the quality of some free plugins out there.
You can achieve this same effect using any EQ and MB compressor that support mid-side modes. Using the MB compressor you select the range of whatever content you are looking to attenuate, and put it in mid mode - shape and adjust range to taste. Then using a EQ in side mode you widen content above a desired threshold. To add harmonics you can simply use a Parallel Bandpass filter, (EQ) in mid mode, and using a bell shape with gain applied you can create extra harmonics. Finally, adding a LP/HP before and after can even provide more tonal control.
It's all about saving the time honestly
Very good technique Eric, thanks for sharing. I was doing it in a different way.
The most important thing is to isolate the Side signal on its own channel so you have full control. And when there’s no side signal to isolate then things get tricky.
The harmonics this plug-in adds are incredibly well thought out in my opinion and makes the process a breeze.
At the end of the day, I will agree with the Jack above, this is about getting to a sound as fast as possible. Also, for most people starting out , such complex techniques are completely out of their reach.
Why a MB comp though?
I'm speechless!!! Wide low-end sounds so amazing with this plugin!!!
Sounds great, 3D bass, I can’t even hear stereo as I’m deaf in one ear, but I can imagine what 3D sounds like in my Mono world.
lol
I dont think I have ever been convinced to spend 100 euros on anything in less than 4 minutes before. This plugin will do wonders for my hardbass project! :)
Not gonna lie , I love basslane demo . Gonna buy the full version soon
+1. Very impressed of the Basslane Pro.
Dom is all smiles when he turns on basslane. Fab!
This guy is awesome.... love his demos and his passion and enthusiasm.
I loved what it did on that midrange example.
This plugin is definitely needed. I will definitely check it out. Thanks Dom for the review and tips 👊🏼
This is EXACTLY what I've been looking for! Doing this manually in Cubase is tedious and time consuming. This is so quick and easy and so much more versatile and flexible. Thanks again Dom!
What does it means making it manually ?
@@Danielmusicgreek It's a process that involves duplicating the channel, isolating frequencies using compression and MSEQ. This plugin allows you to do that on one channel in one plugin and has presets you can use and tweak to taste.
@@Danielmusicgreek playing with the Pans in the Pan line Left and Right
Bruddddda yessir
Few tweaks and bass is sound much more rich and full unreal timbre
Best Bet: Black Box HG-2MS FTW!
That has a mono maker (mid) AND stereo width (sides)
One of my favs too!
It's not anywhere near the same thing or quality. I tried this plugin specifically because I was curious how good PA's Monomaker and Stereo width actually were. Basslane Pro is just so far ahead of them.
3:58. That reaction had me laughing. I bought it just cause of that. lol!
That "MOLOKO" shirt! Such an underappreciated band!
Lovely plugin! Definitely a great one, and very decent company in general.
You should do a video shootout between Basslane and Waves R-Bass. I do like this plug-in! I'm a new subscriber so looking forward to your videos! Started watching from your studio your 2.0.
Thank you Ronald! They are extremely different to the point that it won’t be a fair comparison. RBass adds harmonics to the signal. It doesn’t do all the things that this plug-in can do. :) don’t get me wrong, sometimes RBass is all you need- not every sound needs to be wide every time!
I wonder if Saturn can achieve similar results.
I got the bundle, Kelvin is my new fav and Unisum is terrific as well. Bassline was just a bonus for me.
Just installed the free version and the test pro version. thanks for bringing this to our attention !
Even if you watch this video on mute, you can tell it's a really great plugin just by seeing that big smile!
Thanks to your great review I decided to demo plugin then I bought it a few hours later .
Plugin looks unreal, just got it 🔥
Nice breath of those. I like it so much in "3D" with a little little sides. Many people are saying, it should be mono, it should be.. nothing has to be.. you can hear it, right ? :) Thanks, Dom
Insane🔥🔥🔥
Make you feel like is give you a hug 🫂
love the Clockwork Orange shirt
Quite remarkable!
Like you I had created my own technique for extra widening - but this is simply brilliant! Love the Clockwork Orange shirt! ;-)
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻just for recognising the t-shirt 👕:)
@@DomSigalas Clockwork Orange soundtrack got me into synths! 😎
Thanks Dom , you spared me the manual
Best Regards
Thank you for this. Just tried free version and it's so dope. I will try pro either.
a great one. i will first try the free version. it definetly seems to make a lot more easier to add deep rich and wide bass to any instrument. thats great . thanks as always Dom.
Thanks. Great for the next step of Producing
very thorough breakdown,, thank you-- definitely worth checking out
Amazing plugin!!!!!!!!!!!! Like my dream! 😍
_"I don't know any other plugin that can do this"_
About a million other plugins, lol, people have been doing this for a long time, it's a very straightforward process, distort - to taste - the signal above a certain frequency, then stereo-ize the result, leaving the original low frequencies centred. There's a dozen different ways of doing any of these steps, none of them complicated - and it sounds identical to the results in this video, rich, deep, wide mono-compatible low-end.
P.S. they do a free version of this plugin too, sounds nice.
Hey Dave: I said that on the video actually. But still, do you know of any SINGLE plugin that can do exactly this in such a nice way with 100% safety and easily? Including the mono recovery thing? Don't dismiss something before you try it.
This is incredible! I don't know how many times i've tried to balance width and punch!
Thank you Dom
Have mixed feelings about this. I'm used to doing this manually and get excited as I rediscover my technique every single time - it's never the same. I'll probably get this cool plugin, so thanks for spoiling the fun Dom :-)
Wow.. I just tried the free one on a mix with the "warm sides" preset and a little added width... sounds huge on dubstep!
Thanks, buying this plugin :)
Thanks for this useful video, and clear explanation 👍💐
This Plugin is dope.. note it to my wishlist. :)
So is this a master bus plug-in? Also, what sub-bass vst plugin are you using? Incredible sound.
Some say black magic went in the code
Looks amazing. Very useful;
...after 40 seconds watching...
Is that mono friendly?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds absolutely "dream came true".
Yes, that's the whole point!
BRAVO!
Must have .... it's a joy to see your enthusiasm
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Testez-le avant, et il deviendra un outil indispensable mais néanmoins deux choses, avoir une bonne oreille, car c’est important, de bons haut-parleurs dans un second temps^^
Dom - That's an incredible shirt by the way
IMPRESSIVE... MOST IMPRESSIVE !
Cool. Downloaded it!
What is the horror with sending the bass to a dist/sat-bus with widening on? Then if that disappears in mono the mid bass is still there. I understand how to easier make all this in one inserted plugin - but for 100 USD?
Awesome plugin as is their compressor for mastering!
Totally agree!
OK I had to look into this a bit because I saw it again. I ran tests recording your test and noticed that the plugin adds 8dB-3dB of average gain. Sort of like how a limiter achieves this by limiting peaks. So the initial A/B test is flawed considerably. Next, indeed as I expected it doesn't roll off the stereo effect as it gets into sub frequencies, so it will mess your mono mix channel.
At minimum you should roll off any stereo on a bass this low below 120hz. I personally start rolling off around 200hz typically. So, really what this is is a plugin that changes the waveshape in each channel in a small way, but which becames audible as a fake stereo spread. But it then does some compression/limiting type stuff on top. If you use it as a blackbox to experiment with bass and then maybe fix up the low end issues it messes with, then you can get something servicable. But in most cases you can do the same with plenty of existing software and maintain mix control.
8db? That was not the case- what is the moment when you see that increase? I also did an A/B in the video with level matching.
Also it doesn’t add low end so gain increase is definitely not that drastic. You can see it on my meters.
I've been referencing a lot of chart topping tracks lately and none of the big producers are doing that. There is a good amount of stereo information even all the way down to 40 hz and below. Obvious the subs are still mostly mono, but not completely. The whole "cut the lows and boost the highs on the sides" thing is such bad advice in my opinion, which is just that, an opinion. It always makes for a thin and brittle effect to my ears. Referencing other tracks is the best bet.
@@gulagwarlord I don't think you have the experience to understand the advice. There's a reason the bass is kept mono. You can research it but part of it has to do with how easy you can get phase cancellation and artifacts that easily leads to a loss of bass energy, but there are plenty of other reasons. There is no reason to have A lot of mixing mistakes are made in pop music. From over-limited to improperly handing side channels. A lot of music is being pumped out today with little care to detail and passing through inexperienced hands. Don't mistake that for it vouching for a particular technique.
@@DomSigalas I submitted a screenshot of my testing that shows the gain difference in the sustain of your A/B test. It averages 4-5dB but fluctuates between 3db-8dB difference. Either you didn't approve the comment because of the link or it was flagged as spam. But in any event your metering technique isn't good here because it is just looking at peak level rather than average loudness when you disregard the peaks. This is of course how limiters determine how loud a track can get at the final stage, and is primarily determined by the RMS of the bass, so it's significant.
@@sibbyeskie submitted it where? RUclips doesn’t allow for links by default neither screenshots. Instead of trying to disprove me using audio *after* RUclips’s encoding try the demo for yourself. :) And read the manual. This is a complex tool-you have to understand how it works. Also have a look at the people that worked on and tested this plug-in. Then make an informed decision and make up your mind. I don’t point a gun to your head asking you to buy this. I have no agenda and I don’t get a single penny if you buy it or not.
People’s obsession with RMS without using their ears in the context of a mix is a big issue. Use it in a mix. Make up your mind. Simple.
:)
Holy shitz! nice
I know right ?
Great! Many thanks!
It's kinda like Waves RBass but with waaay more control over those generated 'sub-pointing' harmonics.
I love Rbass but these two don’t do the same thing :) try the free version :)
nice t-shirt droog
Could you try in Vocals? Maybe thats the trick to give that analog 3d depth in the box.. nice review!
Do not ever lose your enthusiasm.
damn that song is nice
I think it’s mazing Mastring can we do with this plug-in,it’s really really nice plug-in ❤
ok this is dope!
Great plugin! I gather this is better this than using Cubase plugins? I love it!
Thanks Dom nice video as usual :) 👍if u're thinking about a new video idea, itt would be really cool, if u could make a more in depth video
about the unisum mastering compressor from tone projects.
8:07 you should do a video on the tricks you did🤷🏽♂
This thing really robs you of lots of headroom. Once gain matched, it always kills the punch
Tell me, what kind of track is playing in this video? The one from the 80s with female vocals.
Hey Dom, do you think it would work on orchestral music as well ? Typical hollywood-style orchestra have the basses, the tuba at the right side. Would you first put the low freq in mono and then use this plugin ? It sounds a little weird to me ??!!
And of course thanks again for sharing those fundementals with humble mortals like me 🤯
Look pretty good will have get this I normally use animate from mastering the mix
Melda spectral panning can do this too
Dear Dom I've checked out your spotify but didn't find the music what's the name of it?
If I want the bass information in the middle, not the sides, is this plugin useless for me?
...isn't this the same effect with wider and bx digital3 eq? stretching the sides and using the mono filter on bx3 ? regards and thank you Dom for these great videos!
Sounds great but... Aint it sopposed the low frequencies to be as 'mono' as possible in a mix ? ... Is the purpose of this to be appplied in a music track?
It actually makes sure that the subs are 100% mono. What it does is it adds harmonics in the side signal. But in a very effective way. :)
Is there any other plugins, or collection of plugins, that can replicate this? Izotope + UAD?
The closest effect would be:
-Duplicate the mono channel
-Add saturation to it (this is the most important thing which saturator your going to add)
-follow with a low cut filter at 100-200hz
-add delay from left/right channel with the haas effect (stereo imagers won’t work as the signal is still mono)
- play with the delay times until it makes sense and doesn’t introduce issues
-add a compressor before the delay to make sure things don’t go out of control when adding the saturation
- double check If some low end has escaped with an analyser (just for the parallel signal) and add another filter if required.
That’s just a very crude guide- the great thing with this plug-in is that it’s already optimised to do all this in a way that works pretty much most of the time :)
@@DomSigalas Thanks!
Would you recommend this plugin over cymatics diablo I've been using it ever since but after seeing this video I thought about investing in this vst.
Is there bass tones for Eurodance style? For example Rhythm Is A Dancer bass tone?
say no 2 the widenesswar
@Dom, Where can i get that 808 you used?
This plugin its Dope Big Up Dom. I felt it on the last song you used.. everthing popped up Great low end . Nice.... And Dom What the Name of that Song And Artist name.... @ 15:16
I Looked on There Web Site It Says Win and Mac But Dose Not Say If It Is M1 Compatible Do You Know Thanks
it's fat but it also gives a weird stereo vibe on headphones. a bit like out of phase
It's definitely not out phase :) Gives you that 3D feel that so many people are trying to get and they mess up their low end ;)
Sounds dope on my head phones, and its solid mono, no phase or comb filtering at all and phase would weaken the bass, this sounds phat.
Impresive ... the kind of pro tool mandatory...
great video as always Dom! now we need another one showing how to do this without this plugin
you can do similar playing with chorus settings and imager at last. make shure first band is width to zero.
@@hertzouttahell that is exaclty what I did plus adding some harmonics, thanks
@@diegoalejo15 There are few other ways but there will always be a Plugin which save you a mount of time.
@@hertzouttahell Basslane free version works pretty good too.
if youve done half of your life drum & bass youll know the ways ;)
wish sublab had this. Update you can just run sublab into this best both worlds
Nice plugin. But in Ableton Live, you can do all this with native plugins:)
Yes, like I said, I’ve had my own techniques to do this in Cubase for two decades now. But this plug-in makes it extremely easy, the harmonics it produces are top notch and eliminates the danger for low end mess up :) most of the people who said they know how to do it over here came up with ways that were fundamentally problematic ;)
@@DomSigalas Yes! I agree!:)
How? Adding saturation only to the side channels?
I wish this thing was easy to install maybe im doing it wrong but i dont see how. I cant get it to load for ableton
I really love the synthbass you use. Which VST is it?
Retrologue :)
@@DomSigalas Is it a stock preset or a secret one :) Just recently discovered your channel. I find it very entertaining and informative. Keep up the good work!!
@@kimjames7647 it’s a custom preset! I’ve done tons of video on how to create these sounds on Retrologue! ❤️
Nice! Dom, where do you put this on your mastering chain? beginning, in between, or end?
Probably on one of the first insert slots :) Taking care of the low end first thing before introducing other processes!
@@DomSigalas Thank you!
Dom, I can see that you mainly demo plugins like these on pop and rock beats. Can I benefit from this plugin in trailer and hybrid orchestral low ends?
Oh absolutely, big time! And this could be even more important. Imagine cinematic drones or dark bass lines or even low strings!
@@DomSigalas Cool bro! I'll check it out. Awesome effort from your side my man :))))
thanks much better explained than the crappy product video
Isnt this the same as using Izotope Ozone 10 Imager (the one were you can control stereo image in bands)? Theres an option so you can stereoize mono signals
No, not really. For sub and low frequencies, stereoizing (which in this case means adding a sort of haas effect) is a recipe for disaster). What this does is it generates harmonics and spreads them by leaving the low end mono and intact. Watch the whole video and you will see what I mean :)
@@DomSigalas No I understand that! But izotope imager (advanced, not the free one) you can split by bands. And after splitting by bands, you can assign idk, below 200hz fully mono and the rest spread it. The plugin is absolutely god tier tho, but just wondering if its worth picking it up if I can basically do the same with imager + exciter
@@yikayikayika no it won’t be the same :) izotope will split the bands but it cannot generate harmonics and spread them while keeping the sub mono compatible. You might be able to do it with some hacking but it’s not worth the time when there’s a tool that does it so well and it’s designed for this. And there’s a free version too :)
About the manual, you know rule no 1 in studios, when installing new gear...: when everything else fails, read the manual ! ;)
How is this different from Plugin Alliance bx_stereomaker, other than the MS processing that can be done with other plugins?
If you read the article by Ian, who helped develop Basslane Pro, he explains this in-depth. In short, just using minimum phase is not exactly adequate.
Kinda seems like a multiband compressor.
Thanx a lot can i use it on stereo sources like kick loops and basses .??
And another question plz , is there an option in cubase to leave a kick loop play the same like in the preview when you drop it inside the project , i mean without effect the first hit of the loop?? I hope u got what i mean😅