Hit Great Forehands Without Being Loose
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
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I wrote you a poem
In the realm of forehands, advice flows free,
Yet, beware the notion of being too loose, you see.
A swing thought overrated, a common plea,
For stability and control is what you need.
Rotate your body, let it lead the dance,
But avoid a lagging racket left to chance.
A synchronized motion, a tennis romance,
Control and power, from a powerful stance.
Stability maintained, control anew,
A harmonious blend, in tennis we pursue.
Connect the swing and join the few,
To strike the ball, sweet and true. 
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This is a very nuanced topic. Most players are too tight are too arm dominant in hitting the forehand. The modern swing when done correctly uses the lower body and core, a “loose arm and grip and sequencing. Like anything else looseness can be overdone. But that’s not most people’s problem
The players I work with, especially the video analysis clients who have learned via RUclips, are too loose. Yes, they’re also too stiff, but they try to overcome it by being too loose with their hand. Not a great combination.
I wrote you a poem:
In the realm of forehands, advice flows free,
Yet, beware the notion of being too loose, you see.
A swing thought overrated, a common plea,
For stability and control is what you need.
Rotate your body, let it lead the dance,
But avoid a lagging racket left to chance.
A synchronized motion, a tennis romance,
Control and power, from a powerful stance.
Stability maintained, control anew,
A harmonious blend, in tennis we pursue.
Connect the swing and join the few,
To strike the ball, sweet and true.
Lovely ❤
Nice Tom. Must have had classical education as a kid.
lol i think chat gpt helped u
@rialzito collaboration! Haha
Wow I’m impressed. Quite a talent to make such a poem that actually gives the mental image of a correct stroke. 👏 👏
Yeah that "loose" advice messed up my forehand for years.
Yes. If you don’t hit the ball cleanly who cares how much swing speed/lag/whatever you produce? Great video, Tom!
Since working with Tom I don't really care about the lag. Rather I care about the kinetic chain and if my hips and shoulders are working together. As a 4.0 trying to emulate the lag from the million lag youtube videos I had many problems in my stroke which I'm continuing to work on. This is great advice.
Great advice. I tried being too loose and ended up just slapping the ball. Firming up a bit significantly improved my consistency without losing too much power.
Thanks for clarifying, there is a lot of mis-information out there.
It’s important for most adults to get the super loose feeling of the kinetic chain if only to understand the idea. The problem is that adults go from rigid to spaghetti all at once. You can hit limp but the problem is that you have to initiate the whole shabang very early which requires everything else from footwork to ball anticipation to be even better. You’re suddenly 2 steps behind in everything. The tighter you can make the kinetic chain by improving core stability and hitting more as a unit the easier it will be to time. When better you can add segments to the kinetic chain that you feel comfortable throwing & releasing into the ball.
This needed to be said.
Always great advice Tom.
Great advice! Best tennis instructor on RUclips!
When I was in my 20's, the great players I hit with just hit a solid, clean, crisp ball. No one was trying to swing like Rublev. You don't need to be super loose, you need to strike the thing.
Absolutely. When you watch most pros at the practice courts they’re body-arm-racquet structure is much firmer at impact than what we see RF do when he’s practicing. (RF puts more of a show on the practice courts rather than actually training. When he’s really training he’s much firmer.)
Who were these players? Were you in the pro's?
Well observed & reasoned.
Agassi is really the master of this forehand. If theirs anyone you want to imitate for reference it would be him. Nick Boletteri was a very good coach because he knew what would get results quickly. So when Agassi showed up at the IMG Academy with his extensive background of training Nick really lucked out. Agassi was the whole package ready to go, all he had to do was drill these simple techniques into him to make him a success.
This is probably the easiest no BS way for people to follow…I’ve heard arguments of the hips going first or the non dominant hand going first…people get way too confused with it all and I definitely feel when I’m hitting a forehand it’s all kinda happening together anyway regardless of what a slow motion video shows
I think the issue is that it's difficult to be "loose" and hit consistently for average players. If you are able to consistently hit fast shots with high racquet head speed while feeling very loose, you probably don't need to watch this video. If you're not one of those people and you filmed yourself while being loose, it's likely that you may observe different things happening at contact - too late, too early, too wristy, etc. Then looseness is not that helpful because it's hard to construct a stroke that works.
Coach great tip extremely useful. I always feel that hit the FH with a loose racket, yes you can get a lot of racket speed and power, but what about control? and with the advice you have given us is cristal clear what we have to do instead of just speeding up the racket head to hit the ball without any real control of the stroke. Thank you very much coach.
The reason for being "loose" is for a number of important reasons, to feel the location and swing path of the racquet, to be able to make quick adjustments if the expected path of the ball changes, to speed up readiness after the stroke, to reduce amount of energy spent allowing you to play longer with effectiveness.
This is so interesting. What do you think the pros are doing? Are they allowing it to whip through?
I’ve tried slingshotting. On the ball machine where the strike point is consistent I can rip through balls with zero effort but in a match it feels incredibly difficult to time causing me to tense up and ruin the shot. I just felt that maybe I had to keep trying it in matches, but now I’m not so sure.
When I look at old videos (Agassi or Sampras say) it looks like they’re striking the ball. For the new guys it looks a lot looser. Rafa seems to have arm as well as wrist lag. Djokovic looks a bit more like the old school striking but at times he seems to let the arm come through late. It’s just so hard to tell.
The pros are swinging so fast that the racket has to lag. The average player lagging as much as someone swinging twice as fast is doing it because they’re too loose.
I think a lot of this boils down to players violating the kinetic chain, skipping the shoulder segment as the main mover from the arm structure, and going straight to the forearm and wrist. Players should feel a slight wrinkle in the back of their wrist at contact to gain the control, while being fully loose out of the shoulder.
Hi Tom, I’m sure you’d have heard about the idea/mental cue of swinging the racket leading with its top edge on groundstrokes. I’ve been experimenting with this on forehand and one handed backhand, almost like trying to hit the ball with the edge and somehow it just creates very nice safe topspin shots. What do you think about it? I’m so impressed that I thought you could even make a video about it.
Cheers.
Loose never made any sense to me. I tried it and had no control. Thanks!
Well this advice is for beginners? As a player who has used a loose forehand for at least 6 years, I think the loose ATP forehand is the greatest invention in tennis. The power is really effortless and the control is amazing. Before 2005, commentators would always say that a mishit was caused by a "loose" forehand. After 2005 when Fed invented the ATP forehand, that all changed. No commentator says that anymore. If you are beginner and don't try to achieve an ATP forehand, you will be missing out on a lot of enjoyment in the sport.
No, it’s not just for beginners. The mistake is thinking that the ATP forehand was invented, and invented by Federer, and in 2005.
@twinwankel you leave comments on every coach’s video touting how good your forehand is, yet you have zero upload on your channel. You kept insisting Fed is the inventor of modern forehand, despite coaches show you footages of players before Fed hitting with modern forehand.
If you only play with 2.5 players then maybe you can use your “loose forehand “. Time to play with higher level players!
Loose is great for my one handed backhand
Sounds dangerous
For me i use the word/s , “ zero tension” in my opinion. This term has more clarity
Every shot should have zero tension. Thats just me
Tennis is a sport of practice. It takes years to master that loose type of forehand your refering to. This is good advice if you want to see results quickly. However I dont think this is the right path to take for the long term. And FYI for yourself the reason your having issues with that type of forhand is because your racquet head is not angled right during ball contact. To fix this you really need to play against a wall alot then test yourself on the court or use a ball machine.
I don’t have issues with forehands
@@TomAllsopp Yah but you did say that, just not in those words. You said maybe you'll connect with a few balls but it's to difficult to be consistent so the better idea is to move away from that style so you can achieve more consistency.
@@TomAllsopp it's whatever works for you man at your lvl ngl. Obviously from watching this video its evident that you have issues with the "slingshot" forehand. People usually pursue the easier styles of tennis because they get results quickly and they enjoy that. It's like you said, if you have difficulty doing it you can easily dismiss it as "over-rated" and move onto an easier style. At least you know the difference and know how to explain the style diference situation well, most coaches don't know jack shit. Probably why they ended up being career coach's lol.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Nonsense about my racket angle. And nonsense that this isn’t the path to take long term. Most advanced players aren’t as loose as people think. Many amateur players are too loose, often to compensate for other issues.
@@TomAllsopp 0:25 - 0:33 in your video is where you reference not being able to connect with the ball properly to be able to get it to "let it fly" the way that you would like to see the loose forehand behave and see the consistency with it. It's racquet head angle at ball contact and timing that creates that issue along with wrong follow-through. As for the Pros you see on TV and etc that have less loose ridged style strokes, it's usually because that person doesn't want to take the time to learn that style, it's harder to learn and master. Also it's part that the player just takes bad advice and runs with it his whole career or life. The truth is only a handful of people on earth can hit a forehand correctly and consistently in that style to the level of Nadal or Federer etc do it.
For example if u pause at 1min 9sec..1min 14sec...1min 17sec... compared to numerous coaches ...some of whom have coached on ATP tour...his wrist is at the wrong angle and racquet face is too open...wrist should he more closed with strings pointing down not facing u...
Would be good to have an ATP coach if you were ATP level. But for my average viewer they’d benefit more from this. Most players have the racket too closed in the lag position. Square it up!
Hello,
Another great video, it is however interesting to watch young children swing so free and easy and produce amazing shots. The racket to them seems more like a weight than a tool as their arms appear totally relaxed. I remember reading an article by a famous coach who would watch Federer hit from just a few feet away and comment that he had never seen such a relaxed arm before. I suppose throwing a heavy medicine ball might help someone get the feeling of the racket as a weight and not as a tool manipulated by the arm. One thing is for certain, all great tennis professionals become proficient at tennis at a very young age.