Trying Corey Deuel's Famous Draw Shot | Your Average Pool Player
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- How many tries does it take an average player to do what professional pool players do on the first try? Your Average Pool Player attempts Corey Deuel's famous 2004 US Open draw shot. There were a couple of important things to learn to make this shot possible. First, it's critical to hit this shot with about as much draw as possible. The first attempts were mistakenly shot using power rather than draw. Also, some left side spin is needed to bring the cue ball back down the table.
NOTE: When I keep saying, "Left Spin" I am referring to the spin of the counterclockwise spin of the ball. The proper term is "Right English," and vice versa. Thanks for the corrections, and sorry about that!
If you're curious about why exactly this shot is so hard for average players, consider setting the shot up yourself and seeing how many tries it takes you.
The track used in the video is 'Rest' by Otis McDonald: • Rest - Otis McDonald |...
Corey Deuel did it on a fast cloth. Your table looks like a slow cloth. So you're actually better than you think you are.
You're on youtube, my man? Really love your work! :)
absolutely. on normal pool tables, like in a club or pub, that shot is next to impossible...and im really good!
No he's not, he can barely play draw and it he still doesn't know how the shot was actually played.
@@colincolenso And you do? or are you just disagreeing for the fact that you think you're right about everything.
@@beaverbear9157 Yes, I don't know who you are, but I'd bet my life savings on the facts that I'm right on 80% of things you might argue with,. Berries suck btw,
I definitely knew from the get go, you needed low right. I also think your shot was made more difficult because of the cloth conditions. Corey was hitting on a freshly done table, which slides and makes it a lot easier to get reverse English on the ball.
2:47 Attempt 21 is a sick shot 🔥🔥🔥
lmao pls tell me ur joking
@@digdootyditches6789 If you had a single brain cell you'd figure out he is, in fact, joking.
@@TheSkywalkerTB chill ik, I was jus sayin
@@digdootyditches6789 hi i just want to bring you back here after 2 years
@@os.a.m.a hey, yeah i dont know what was this tbh
Great concept. You can keep this series going for years as there are so many amazing shots for you to attempt. You got yourself a new subscriber
We might need to talk about 32 ... 💀
As a collegiate pool player, that's a feeling I know all too well.....
Swing and a miss 😂😂
Carlos Barajas My first ever shot in a game of pool was a triple bank scratch into the corner pocket with all the balls on the table and none of them being moved in the slightest
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He calls himself average but he plays x100 better than me
Paul Mathews yeah i mean i play good enough to own a pro cue stick
omar usman that just means you are way below average....lol
Travis Pogue he IS NOT AVERAGE FFS GOD DONT YOU SEE HOW HE PLAYS THTS NOT AVERAGE
He is about average at most
omar usman
He only seems good because you probably don't even play pool. He's average end of story. It's like with bodybuilding. You can get a 6 pack in less than a year of working out but you're considered average until you have at least 5+ years of working out. The guy with the 6 pack may seem impressive to you because you don't have one but he's still average at the end of the day.
Wowsers, I remember actually watching this match 14 years ago and I thought physics went haywire. Always been a fan of Corey and Mika, Earl, Efren, Archer etc... but watching you try this shot and realizing just how much frickin skill goes into a shot is mind blowing. I can shoot a pretty good stick, but that shot wouldn't have even occurred to me as being possible. Watching you take 34 attempts just proves that practice is the most important part of the game, and a little bit of luck doesn't hurt. I think it was Efren Reyes who said something like "the more I play, the luckier I get" and that's a lot of truth right there. Thanks for having the patience to make this video. I'll definitely watch you recreate more shots!
This guys commentary on his own attempts is hilarious. Glad i found this channel. Love from Canada.
Your narration made me chuckle more than a couple times, as well as being very instructive. Great vid!
Thanks Michael!
Love some of the comments below.... I'm an instructor and I compliment you on the series. I like how you pick the shots and describe the progress and keep at it until you have success. Perfect for the average player as you say, way to go!
As to the shot - impressive when I saw it, since he had one try. But he was in dead stroke that match, up 8 to 1 or something, and low right with new cloth makes the shot a little easier than it looks. He could have just gone 2 rails off the top rail, but just a little showing off, thankfully for those of us that got to watch it live.
Thanks again for the series, looking forward to watching your next segment! These shots are iconic in pool history.
Comp matches, the cloth is slick. The table you and I play on are social clothes. Not as slick/thin. Made for endurance.
I am Mitch, actually the cloth is the same, usually Simonis 860. However, tournaments usually have new cloth and TV tables can be affected by heat from lighting.
A problem for amateurs is if you play on new cloth it totally screwes the degree of spin more than the other way around. Ive been spinning balls for 20 years but still Its the most fascinating part of the game to me
Shawn P I disagree there is a difference in texture between the blue n green cloth I believe I am mitch it right
Kevin Chetram you're both wrong, there is no difference between blue or green Simonis 860 cloth. You can call Iwan Simonis and ask. They started using blue because its easier to see balls.
You're full of shit. The shittier the cloth, the easier this shot is
I like your RUclips idea more than anything else. I never even played pool and never will but still enjoy watching.
Exactly I suck but it looks so cool
Great video.
Subscribed.
Remember that even though Corey made the shot on his first attempt that you saw, what you didn’t see were the hundreds of previous attempts during practice and other matches.
Practice makes perfect, and the pros practice far more than what others realize.
I absolutely love this series.
All i can say is do more.
DO MORE
DO MORE
Also consider making like a shot compilation video of which legendary shots you might consider recreating over the next say 10-15 uploads
wtf lmao
Slice GodLike what? A snooker player shouldn't enjoy pool?
Also this guy is from the company that manufactures chalk and tips that is used by a lot of the top pros on the snooker world circuit.
This shot recreation concept is brilliant tbh.
Lmao i am laughing coz i wasnt expecting you here at all
This is a really cool series and I appreciate how much detail you give us on what you learn and how you improve your attempts. But I can't help but feel that anyone who plays pool a lot should have a better sense of what spins are being used from looking at a shot, and also about cueing - both smoothness and how far you get through the ball, which you didn't mention at all, but are a huge part of how Corey got so much curve on the cue ball.
Personally, it doesn't look to me like he actually had that much left spin on the cueball. The banana/curve make it look more like a ton of screw with a touch of left to help the ball get down table. But I could be wrong.
Actually just coming back to this, I've realised it doesn't matter. The point is the learning process and that here is great. Awesome video man, keep it up, would love to see more.
Surely it's right that would help it down the table as it would be a reverse Sid spin shot?
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That is true, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
@@lisatuckwell6167 that’s what I’m not understanding from this video. The spin that helps get down table is right spin, and the in Corey Duel video you can clearly see in the end that the ball has right spin, not left. But the fact that Rollie was able to pull this off with left spin kind if amazes me. What is happening here?
Congratulations! What you accomplished sir - and very well I might add - is a prime example of the timeless credo "If at first you don't succeed..."
Just stumbled across this video and I gotta say I really like the idea of attempting legendary shots made by the pros, hope to see more of these and I wont bring up #32 haha.
Nice bro!, really took him thousands of tries on different situations, just that he mastered those shots. Much respect man, nice vid. 💪🏻💪🏻🔥
i miss this series
You say he did it on his first attempt but I guarantee that he´s played and practised that shot thousands of times. You did extremely well to get it by 34! Enjoyed your commentary too :)
4:14 that's what he said
I don't think I've seen it mentioned but also in Corey's shot, he's aiming down into the cue ball a little bit, making it hop and strengthening the effects of the backspin after the hit since there's less friction (as its in the air) to counteract that spin. Could also be the reason why he was able to hit it as well as he did.
These videos are awesome. Did you put a hole in the table though? 🤣
Bump for answer
he definitely did
I think the white spot is just a chalk to mark the position - does look a bit like the mark a miscue makes but it's there even on attempt 1. All of that "aiming into the bed of the table" stuff would scare me if it were my table though :o
I've played billiards for decades (mostly snooker), and I can recommend a few tips for english shots:
1) Hit smooth and controlled, not hard. Low and hard will often result in skipping the ball, damaging the cloth, AND you'll be less accurate. Smooth and controlled assures your spin. Get your spin down first - even if you try the same shot from a shorter distance first, and then work your way further apart. Once you've got your spin the way you want it, you can increase the intensity of the stroke, a little bit at a time, assured that the action you want is remaining consistent. SIDEBAR: Also notice that you missed something in trying to replicate his stroke: Duel's bridge. Duel bridged the cue off his middle finger. You bridged with the rail itself. So Duel had anywhere from 2 to 5 degrees higher angle than you did, making his spin easier to achieve. Always make sure you've taken all aspects of a shot into account, so you don't make it harder on yourself.
2) Duel's shot is a personal style choice. Top-left-center english off the head rail would have brought the ball back; so would top-right english wrapping the right corner pocket on the head rail. And both of those would have a little more room for error. But players often shoot according to what they hit cleanly the easiest. Duel may simply find bottom english shots more comfortable. So naturally he would incorporate that more in his play, even if a variety of other options work too. But I promise you, he messed that shot up hundreds of times, in order to get it consistently correct, so he could pull it off in one try in competition. The best players always screw up for months in practice to get it right when it counts. Your 34 attempts isn't even close to how many times it took Duel to get it spot on. So you're doing okay.
3) Consider the surface. Competition cloth typically runs fast. The more you struggle to pull off english shots, your surface, in itself, may be an obstacle.
4) Consider the cue stiffness and the tip. Softer tips result in longer contact and friction with the cue ball, they're easier to shape and maintain chalk, allowing for more spin with less effort. Harder tips provide more pop and bounce. You can still get english shots off with medium and hard tips, you just have to work a little harder to get the action you want. I don't know what Duel uses (I think he was sponsored by Meucci at one time), but I use Meucci and Joss cues, with 13 mm tips with a hardness rating of between 69-72. My jump cue uses a Talisman Pro hard tip in the 84 range. Keep that in mind, when it appears that a player on TV is pulling off a lot of action with seemingly effortless ease. Part of that will be a lot of practiced skill, but a big part of it will be having the right equipment, shaped and maintained for the way the player likes to stroke the cue ball. When comparing yourself to a player like Duel, it won't likely be an apples to apples comparison, even in the equipment, let alone the skill level. So don't despair, if you have a hard time learning to replicate someone's awesome shot. There are a number of factors involved, not just skill.
5) Whenever you want to dissect someone's shot, always look first if the ball caroms off the rail at an angle, rather than straight. Right there is the giveaway that side english is in play. Straight backspin caused the shot to fall straight line to the rail, as your early attempts showed. But as soon as Duel's made contact with the rail, it kicked left - a sure sign of right english. You picked up on that about half way through, but always look at the kick FIRST, see if there's an angle, and work backwards from there.
Keep playing hard, and have fun!
I believe the draw pulled the ball backwards -- the spin was just a helper abetted by the obtuse angle the ball took from the rail -- physics! It was a deliberate, delayed draw. My opinion -- I could be wrong.
I dont care how long it took you, it took him so much longer to perfect it to do it on his first try
i have always felt the best teacher remembers learning. You have combined learning and teaching. Brilliant!
Love your videos but you are certainly above average for sure
except for knowledge of side spins.. haha jp..
Above average for a person? Yeah, probably. Above average for a regular pool player? Tough call.
He's bar worthy.
pjsbulldog67 average for us, we suck, he is average thats like mega good in pool language 🤣🤣
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Excellent video. Thanks for posting, and congratulations on pulling this shot off. Even if you needed one hundred attempts it still shows you must be a very good player. What an incredible piece of show-boating by Deuel. In fairness, he could have got on the five by using a touch of top-spin and plenty of right-hand side. What confidence to play it the way he did. Wonderful...
I'm not trying to criticize you here but as per Corey Deuel, he only used pure draw for this shot. He might have accidentally used some english on the ball but according to Corey, this shot is possible with pure backspin only IF both cloth and balls are brand new. I'm sure the rail cushion also matters as the cushion must grab the ball long enough to create that spin effect. Me and my friend asked him to recreate the shot at Lindenwood University Billiards but he wasn't able to do so even though we had fairly new cloth with polished balls on the table, which means you need a brand new cloth with highly polished balls for this shot to work. It is much easier execute this shot by using right english in any table and that's the only way you can do it if you're playing on older cloth with unpolished balls.
Kinda insane that Corey even knew that conditions were perfect to attempt that shot .
i can do this shot and if object ball is by the side rail say left hand side and you want to pot with power bottom left english job done or top left but be careful of follow through to object pocket
The ball and cloth conditions definitely made a huge difference, but given normal conditions, adding some right English is how you'd achieve the same effect. Although Just going 2-3 rails forward with right English would be a lot easier. I'm guessing Corey didn't want to deal with deflection and tried pure reverse.
With enough power reverse english shot IS possible. If he said that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
This (famous) shot uses English. ruclips.net/video/wIzrr7SzkCc/видео.html
It's a tough shot. Very glad to see you noticed it was inside english rather than running. The other trick to the shot is he has an ever so slight elevation which causes the ball to jump sightly before it contacted the object ball. This means his shot lost very little spin before contacting the object ball.
Congrats on finally getting it. Definitely a tough shot. But, uhh... Did you blast a hole in the felt after realizing you were out of control and had to aim below the ball to get hard draw? I can see why they say education isn't cheap these days.
And I really think we should talk about 32...
"Let's not talk about 32", that made me laugh till I cried. I love the idea and style of presentation. You just gained a subscriber!
NOTE: When I keep saying, "Left Spin" I am referring to the counterclockwise spin of the ball. The proper term is "Right English," and vice versa. Thanks for the corrections, and sorry about that!
So to confirm, you mean low right english?
This is an awesome video and I look forward to seeing more!
It's really instructional and allows for the average player to truly appreciate what the pros are doing
KAMUI BRAND hahaha for a second I almost thought my knowledge is wrong
KAMUI BRAND nice correction. Awesome video and cool little mini-series.
check side.
Nice shot! I didn't think you'd be able to pull it off on that old cloth. But you did it! I was going to say that the almost brand new cloth that Corey was playing on probably helped a lot because there is not as much friction and the ball can slide on that cloth and hold it's spin a lot better.
Very good video to demonstrate how to do those shots. But one thing u need to know, your equipment is different from theirs. There are a lot of factors that affects the shot. The cloth age, friction and grip, the type of cue ball they used, the bounceness of the rails, the tip and the shaft that Corey use compared to yours and last thing, his stroke. I don’t mean to take anything away from Corey, that was a phenomenal stroke and cue power in order to generate that much backspin to the cue ball but all other factors did help him alot in that situation. The cloth the used in that tournament must be new with more grip than the one u r using in the video, also his tip is different from yours. I assume he has a slightly harder tip than the one u r using, yes, less grip but way more power, he already has the stroke and the help with the cloth so all he need is purely draw stroke to drive the cue ball back. So in my opinion, to re build and redo this shot is not really a good idea because u need the exact equipment to copy it. I asked some pro players, I won’t mention their name here, but they all have more cue powers than Corey’s and guess what, before doing that shot, all of them said it is doable if u have right equipment, that helps alot in these kind of shots.
actually the thinner the cloth like Simonis 860 the better you can spin the ball. I don't think any top pro tournament plays on old cloth. Sure other pros can make the shot, but on the first time and in match. Highly unlikely. I see Corey draw cue ball over top of object ball down and back without hitting rail which speeds the ball up side spin anytime you hit rail unless it reverse side spin which will kill the cue ball off the rail.
R Mo the pro player I asked to redo this shot did the exact same shot on heavily used Simonis 860, brunswich table with 314-2 shaft and Zan Medium tip. cue ball went exact same route, guess what, he even overdrawn it and cue ball hit bottom rail and travel to the mid pocket on the ride side rail. He said this shot is purely straight draw with alot of stroke, u don’t even need left or right english to execute this. But of course putting right English will make the cue ball easier to draw back to left side like in the video. Also one of my friend from Sweden who is also a great A player did this shot in first try with a Meucci cue.
R Mo also, with a big stroke, 860 or even 760HR won’t even the the matter anymore, this shot is even doable with a brushy shitty Championship cloth. I’ve seen alot of cue powers that makes Corey’s one looked average.
One thing I learned in Pocket billiards, there always somebody better.
R Mo true, I saw a lot of natural talents in this game that amazes me. There is no limitations in this game.
what makes this shot even harder, besides a lot of green hitting a shot diagonally across a nine foot table, is the side spin. It would be one thing to put that much draw, but that side spin causes deflection, so not only do you have to make an incredibly long shot with a ton of draw, you have to “feel” exactly how much to adjust your aim left to account for the cue ball deflection caused by side spin. Then to do it under pressure, with every shot being potentially tournament stakes on the line, with an audience, and being on TV. Just crazy man. That’s why it’s one of the best shots of all time
zigzag shot by efren
Lester Escosura even pro will havehard time to duplicate that shot by efren
Awesome. I loved the fact that you recorded and published all the attempts from 1 to 34, 35 I forget. Like someone else said, congrats on getting it eventually. It was nice you included both his and yours shot side-by-side for comparison.
The first thing I noticed when you were having trouble was the difference in the cloth between the pro and you. His cloth was Brand New York cloth was well-worn. Cloth and humidity have a lot to do with how English takes. I know that you eventually made the shot but it actually might have been much easier for the pro to make it then for you to make it. If the Pro's cloth was brand new, thick and the type of cloth that takes well to English then he had a easier shot than you. Well worn cloths are sometimes more slick then brand new cloths. Heck even the amount of chalk that's left over from striking cue balls on the table could influence the amount that English takes on the cloth. Whether any of these factors actually came into play regarding the Pro versus you, I don't know. All I'm saying, is it's possible.
New cloth makes straight shots easier and spin shots harder. Because new cloth tends to be slicker, a spinning ball generates less friction, and the path the ball takes is altered less by it.
By far my favorite videos on this channel. Need more like this. So informative.
How does the table you use compare to the tables used in the tournament that Deuel did this amazing shot? Would a sleeker cloth make it easier? Props regardless on eventually nearly recreating the shot anyways! It's really nice, as a casual player, to see these kinds of shots broken down.
slick fresh cloth should make this shot considerably easier. for table conditions, i think the last shot played here was pretty darn good
Pros play on New Simonis 860. which like sheet of paper compared to cheap rug cloth/Felt. I dough his on simonis and if he is it's probably old.
Looks like a decent table. But god, if you ever get a chance to play on a tournament table in a store or whatever... The difference is insane.
1- you're brave , never give up
2- we learn a lot oh techniques
3- you're so funny
Keep up, i subscribed
Average player wearing a glove HAH.
Exactly what I thought! Lol
I think its because he has allergy😉
Does it matter? Wearing a glove or some accessories doesn't make you PRO or Average or Amateur, I mean have you seen Efren Reyes wearing a Glove? Does that make him lower that Average Pool/Billiard player? Come on man
i was extremely self-conscious when I started to wear a glove, but that passed very quickly. Now I have adopted a loop bridge and cuing over balls or cushions is now effortlessly clean.
Also, I am a big fat bastard and sweat in a blizzard, and with most of the venues I play district 8ball at using evaporative air conditioners, and given I live in one of the hottest and dryest cities in i the world (actually we run close to world record temps here every summer), I am fucked both ways.
btw I use the word 'close' to world record temps but I think we set a new one this year. It's hard to describe our heat, tbh. We have stopped referring to anything in the 30s as hot; because we run out of words for a week of 40s. For my American siblings that means it is not hot here until it hits 104 or more for a week, and on the third day of the last warm spell it hit 114F and I played that night. It was fucking horrible, tbh. chalks were not releasing granules (going hard and slick in our hands)... if you could get chalk on the tip, it smeared the cb and we had a few unlucky contacts (so did they).
so I can recommend the half glove for anyone struggling to play clean shots with a grippy cue, especially over obstacles... $15 bucks well spent
@@jackmack1061 I find the Q makes a big difference In sticking in the heat to, I play abit and like to hustle I'm from Ireland and get what you mean with the heat I spent to years in jamaica practically earned a living from a Q at times lol always use house Qs never a glove you cant get a good hustling bet if you show up with a glove and que lol
Nice work, and thank you for detailed description and fortitude. I would have gotten bored after shot 10 and just play a game.
All to do with the cloth. Pro tables have a super thin cloth. Corey himself couldn't do this shot on your table.
Yes he definately could lol. It may be a little tougher on slow cloth but he's a professional for a reason.
I'm no where near as good as Corey I make that shot just about everyday.....however the Cloth and the cue make a huge difference......on better cloth the amount of spin you get is AMAZING at such a soft stroke
congrat u did it now for the next vid try efren shot pocketing the six on the corner and positioning the cue behind the seven with topspin masse like shot am shore u seen it
Every time I see that shot, I swear he is an actual wizard with telekinesis.
bro, shot 18 hurt man. You owe someone an apology. Keep up the videos man I love them!!
Wouldn't the condition of the cloth have an effect
Absolutely. Looks like the table he is playing on has seen better days. If he was playing on table with new felt, he would have most definitely made this shot in less than 20 attempts, maybe even less than 10.
Kenny Shucker, no doubt about it. This shot is difficult...it is WAAAAAAAAAAAY more difficult on worn cloth.
@@kennyshucker901 I dont agree. If he cued correctly he d get White atleast a bit back, but he fails to give any backspin for 22 shots.
That s just begginer stuff.
Give me old cloth and club cue I ll get it back atleast 10 inches in 2 shots.
Just watched the original. Then to see this makes my heart happy! Thank you.
I love playing pool..
But dont have one.. Or pool set..
I subbed btw
man this is the best series ever..with the commentary
4:04😂😂😂😂number 32😂😂😂😂
As a collegiate pool player, that's a feeling I know all too well.....
Really cool vid, Kamui Brand. The number of times I've wanted to test difficult shots is......countless. Thanks for going through the process.
If you pay attention, he hit the cue ball so low and hard it came OFFFFFFFFFFFFFF the table....look closely 1:38 to 1:39
It's true and even more insane that he made it, If you have ever jump a cue ball with left or right english you would know just how difficult that is
Corey was also more jacked up and made a hard punch through the ball. He put his shoulder into it, which gave the cue ball a lot more acceleration. Your stroke was very smooth.
While it’s an amazing shot, it seems kind of unnecessary, when I guarantee you I could have nailed that position by just bouncing off the top rail
Finally, someone said it.
No, the cue ball would have gone in off if he played it with top spin idiot.
@@saycheers1180 no need to call him idiot
@@justess797 it's a comment only an idiot would mak and he said it like hes the cleverest player.
Ignorance is the most idiotic form of stupity
@@saycheers1180 you should talk.
Corey is cueing through his fingers whereas you have cue directly on cushion. That might alter the spin he is getting in comparison as he has a greater angle on the cue ball. Nice video. Very enjoyable to watch. Cheers.
"Time spent on reconnaissance is seldom wasted"
Outstanding! It's great to reveal the secrets of the best players! Certainly now I can speed up and improve my game! Thanks!
He didn't reveal anything in this video. Corey used low right, but this guys doesn't know much about the sport.
Maybe just try top left?
bob733333 top left goes straight to the left pocket
Manos manjoy No, it doesnt.
Top right pocket is not your friend in that scenario
Top left with a firm stroke takes you there. Don’t argue people
watch?v=-CPKzSmmkpE @1:46
Top left gets you there.
Great concept, succinct delivery, solid editing and helpful graphics...perfect recipe for a hit RUclips series! Well done ! Look forward to more episodes
Firstly, nice video, watched it with interest. Secondly, you didn't even come close to Corey's shot. In his shot the backspin takes after the cueball rebounds from the cusion, while in your case it's just the sidespin that takes off the cusion. Thirdly, you shouldn't feel too bad, because IT'S IMPOSSIBLE to make Corey's shot unless you have a brand new very slick cloth. On your table, not Corey, not even God Almighty can make this shot. CHEERS!
You might want to capture 2 details and try this again. Coreys shot; the cueball is actually leaving the table. Why, because he shoots down and continues down to the table. Looks at the cue bouncing off the table after hitting the cue ball. This causes massive draw. Now, his left hand (bridge) is also rock solid / stationary. This will allow all the forward force (all of it) applied to the cue to transfer through the cue ball. Your hand is moving heavily to the right as you trigger, probably taking force away from the shot itself... At any rate, your shot comparison is highly educational for the common pool player - Awesome~~
When Corey hit it, it slightly flew up like a jump shot, eliminating the drag the cloth has on the cue ball. That is why the cueball retained most of the draw.
One thing not mentioned here is that Cory is jacked up about a finger or so off the rail so the angle the cue is approaching the ball is much higher. This gives him a lot more back spin without hitting it harder. Your cue is sitting on the rail. Your left hand also jumps as contact is made. Keeping your hand still and using a slightly different grip will make this kind of shot easier.(not that this is easy, just easier.) Nice job getting there tho.
Fantastic! Well done for plugging away and getting it in the end. Already a fan of playing pool, this has made me want to watch pro pool too
This is the first of your vids that I've watched. Great concept n nicely edited. Interesting from start to finish n that last shot was pretty pleasing. 😁
I've watched Alex Higgins play this shot off blue on a snooker table I've also played the shot my self you really have to drive the cue through but not too much power, great video I enjoyed watching it
This is one of the best examples of outrageous power and accuracy I've seen in a match. One thing about this shot to consider. Depending on the equipment, mainly the felt on the table, this shot will become much easier or more difficult. The faster the felt the easier to pull this off but it's anything from easy regardless of the felt on the table. The fact that you did succeed in making Corey's famous shot, regardless of the number of attempts, shows me you are MUCH better than an average pool player. Whether Corey used left or right spin on this shot is fairly insignificant compared to the insane reverse spin he put on the cue ball. We are talking about a very minor amount of right or left spin here. I'm in the "he tried use no spin on this shot" camp, if that camp even exists. The shot most likely can be made with no spin and I'm not convinced that Corey, if he had spin on his shot that it was intentional.. However for those who think he had left spin I have a few thoughts. Left spin coming off the first rail causes the cue ball to move in the exact wrong direction, up table not down table. The exact opposite is true for right spin. Right spin causes the cue ball to turn in a counter clockwise direction as it spins. After contacting the first rail this right spin will help the cue ball to travel down table to where Corey is standing for shape on his next ball. I can, in all honesty imagine one thing which might make my reasoning incorrect, which is: Using left spin the cue ball doesn't travel up table (away from where Corey standing) as far as the use of right spin after contact with the object ball before it starts moving towards the first rail and this fact could be key. Cheers, John Noe Side note: I almost always leave room for the possibility that I could be wrong after commenting and this is one of those cases. If anyone sees an error in my thinking I'm open to constructive criticism.
You absolutely have to use RH spin for this shot to work, its what actually causes the ball to come back up table. With just center draw Im guessing that the draw is completely worn off by the time the cue ball hits the cushion and gets back to center table.
Worth considering that you were playing on what looks like a very worn cloth, while Corey was playing on a brand new high quality cloth which would have been a lot slicker, allowing him to get more spin and also helped create that "banana" effect off the cushion. If you applied silicone spray to the cloth and cleaned the balls thoroughly, you'd have a much easier time pulling off this shot. It's a tough shot on average tables, but Corey knew he'd be able to pull it off on the table he was playing on so chose to play for it rather than going for other seemingly easier options.
Sorry if this was said already, but Corey holds his bridge higher and actually "jumps" this shot. I believe in the slow mo section, his cue jumps up about an inch and travels at least a foot. That could definitely have been the elusive factor.
Thank you for the effort and tutoring everyone with this knowledge you got from making this video!
If you want more bottom english, backspin, you should also note that Corey also uses his bridge hand to elevate the cue to give more bottom. That allows you to get more spin without necessarily shooting a masse.
Fun fact: Corey went on to clear everything and missed a relatively easy 9-Ball at the end of this rack.
Do you have any criticisms? Man, you took all the best shots at yourself. Way to take the fun out of it, lol. Great videos, I like how I'm able to not only learn how to make a certain shot, but also what I'm most likely doing wrong. And I love your attitude in the videos, it's oddly motivating for guys like me who don't shoot so well. Ty
i'm no slouch, have run over 50 balls. you are a WELL above average pool player. nice job on this, 34 is infinitely less than think it would take almost all good pool players.
My son and I love watching your videos! Keep it up!
Yo I like how you came up with this idea to analyse how difficult the shot is! These shots ain't easy and a lot of players won't understand the difficulty of it.
4:04 Literally burst out laughing, and that doesn't happen often. lol good job.
He also jacked his cue up a bit, you can see this in his bridge. This allowed more spin to take place causing the action of that cue ball. This makes the shot even harder but also easier at the same time.
Another element of elevating the stick is that the cueball is prone to jump slightly. Imagine that maybe the cueball is very slightly airborne on the way to the object ball, just not enough that you would see it at speed. Cueball would maintain lots of backspin until it touched the cloth. Notice that the backspin did not take until the cueball really came firmly down to earth after bouncing off the cushion. Maybe it was a tiny bit airborne for a foot or so after hitting that rail.
Fantastic, concise video that made me appreciate pool 100-fold quite quickly. Awesome.
I actually remember watching that on the television live ,. and was in awe although as I remembered the angle looked sharper , but just a quick note about pool tables is the fact they always don't play the same , table height , cloth and so on can play much differently ,,,,,,,,,, the one thing I often think that gets over looked is the rails or type of rails and how slow or fast they play , some seem to grab English consistently while others seem inconsistent , you may have to strike the cue on your table differently depending on all the variables . but you can actually see coreys shaft flexing off the table and he could have went with inside English or just played a follow shot or any tyoe of shot because that was just all natural position . it isn't a scratch is my point unless he draws it into the corner pocket .
im pretty sure Corey's cue ball is getting airborne and bouncing a few times before making contact with the object ball. This allows for less surface friction of the cloth that takes away the back spin. He hit the perfect shot, with the perfect stroke. He maintains a aggressive angle down through the cueball instead of just low. Low on the cueball is only relevant to angle of attack from the stroke and the horizontal axis of the cueball. You need velocity, yet retain spin. Velocity can over ride the spin. Also, there is another factor, it has to do with willie hoppe and his 9 rail billiard shot.
Great analysis! I'm gonna try this when i get the chance...
Another factor I'm not sure if it was mentioned is notice how elevated Corey's cueing... He has his thumb under the cue whereas you have yours flatter...
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Watched it again... He's actually jumping the cue ball so that the felt doesn't take awake the draw.... Fck in ng genius shot ..
And great job hitting it the way you did without even elevating 👌
This was cool! The comedy helps! Love your moxie / determination!!
I would like you to revisit this shot, but instead of doing it exactly the same, try for two rails and the exact same leave on the five. I know that's different than your original video concept, but an equal shot that is easier to accomplish for the 'average pool player' would be interesting to see.
I definitely appreciate your videos and the things I'm learning while watching. Thanks! 👍
It was obviously bottom right but didn't think it was possible, glad to see it is, gotta try it next time. Didn't think it was possible to change the forward momentum enough to bring it back that way, I would have tried little low to avoid corner with some left to come off right rail then bottom. Probably would end up more middle of table though.
This is my favorite series please keep it up
One of the guys that taught me a lot was Named Danny Basavich aka Kid delicious. We went on the road once many moons ago. He ran 8 racks on Corey duel in 2004. He was also rated #1 Player in the United States? Maybe world that year. I've had some MONSTER predecessors. I feel like I'm Frankenstein. I'm a bit rusty but once I get to the table with the pros and semi pros they will sharpen me up. It won't take long for me to get in the money. I'm pumped. Next year I'm gonna be breaking it off. Clean-off.
Well I. Don't know much about pool or snooker but one thing I learnt from your video that is " never give up & keep try again and again
I can barely handle the actual cue. So I have mad respect for that shot that you hit Man
Another factor is that deuel's bridge was a bit more elevated cuz the cue passes goes above his thumb. Elevation on screw shots doesnt create more backspin but it makes the backspin take effect a lot quicker, which prevents the ball from "wasting" momentum by going a few inches forward then having to be brought back from that point instead of being brght back directly after contact. The same end result is still posible to be achieved by a lower bridge tho and in fact it might be slightly easier because elevation (not matter how big or small it is) makes any shot tougher (for both visual and "mechanical" reasons).
A basic that rollie failed to notice:
Corey is not resting his cue on the rail. He is making a standard closed bridge with fingers between the stick and the rail. At least an inch of height there. Corey is shooting down on the ball a LOT more than Rollie. That is a good way to get extreme draw or curve. Think of it as being 25 to 30% as jacked up as a masse.
If you look closely to you'll notice he bridged on the rail with a closed bridge giving him a little more height so when he actually hits it the cue ball actually jumps a little which let's it spin more cause there's no cloth friction to slow the spin down for probably 6-10 inches.
he is also using a closed bridge up on the rail not cuing off the rail, allowing for a slight downward stroke increasing the backspin a ton.
Chalked tip, Bottom Right, and a good stroke. Also the cloth they used and ball type matter. I've notice the ball material makes cue balls react slightly different. Also if the balls have been cleaned and polished make a difference in the action you get. I've spent too much time on this already.
hey buddy ,
regarding this shot , cory actually relied more on the backspin to get down the table , in your shot you relied more on the spin to bring it down.
Cory is probably getting more backspin on it because he has a bridge on the table elevating his cue and giving the cue ball more juice.
...what I've learned playing pool, since 90's arcade places, is that not only the technique but also cue "tip" is important, for trick shots. For anything fancy, you need to make sure soft roughed up tip on your stick is available. It helps you control your ball spin. And yeah... practice is good too lol
when you look closely @4:26 the pro is purely back spin while the other has input side spin, its totally different thing. To hit a strong back spin, the point is the contact timing between the cue ball and your cue tip, longer time make more spin, it's just simple as that.