@@Vipppala The ancient Greeks had a word for a person that pays no attention to the affairs of state, and is apathetic toward his society overall. Idiote, the root for the English word idiot.
@@Coccelo Ancient Greeks also thought that fucking young boys was a fine hobby so maybe not everything they say is right nor you should be placing too much value in their words, eh?
@Derrick Terry they're remaking the old halo games on pc. It would be the good halo games he competed in just with a mouse and keyboard instead so I think he would play
@Derrick Terry I agree he won't compete but I would be surprised if he didn't play pubs though. Also he did play halo 5 as a pro so not too long ago and long after the downfall of halo
@@blob3106 how would leaving his house help him understand shroud moving, something that is part of his career r u really trying to hate on one of the biggest twitch streamers
@@rensaito9009 you didn't get his point at all, he was basically saying that xcq has no life outside of streaming so for him it's no problem at all to stream all day to maintain his viewership while shroud might want to spend his time actually living his life without worrying about his views dropping
184 hours is just the actual "Live Stream" time. Then add in the setup, the maintenance, the business meetings and phone calls.... the time adds up. I'll bet he spends about 12-14 hrs every day focusing on his channel on Twitch. And yeah, for 25 mil I'd do it too!
As someone that streamers on Mixer and is a partner, I can tell you that the brand friendly CAS is what Mixer is doing. All of the partners that get spotlighted on the sight are all very brand friendly and “safe”. Nice breakdown.
Riot is a multi billion-dollar company that streams on multiple different websites, Microsoft doesn't have the money to make them Mixer exclusive lmao. Riot Games is 100% owned by Tencent, the biggest company in China.
@@kingDTD1 I got that from them owning some of the biggest gaming studios and other products??? And the fact that they are you know.. CHINA. Tencent is the world's largest gaming company, one of the world's most valuable technology companies, one of the world's largest social media companies, and one of the world's largest venture capital firms and investment corporations.
No joke, I’ve watched every single video u posted, except the really old ones, and you have literally changed my whole world view. You have showed how people that are good at business thinks and now everything makes so much fucking sense. I understand more I would say why company’s do what they do and why people do what they do.
@@jonathonbridges9625 Dont bring politics into gaming guys. Its annoying when people do that. Gaming is mainly just to have fun even these guys do it because they enjoy it. If they didnt get paid at all and didnt have to work to support themselves they would still stream.
@@jonathonbridges9625 Not true at all. It is what people make it. Politics literally has nothing to do with us directly so why bring it up? Let them deal with it.
@@AveragePokeCollector What part of getting ass raped by the government stealing 7 million from someone's pay "has nothing to do with us". I basically work a whole day (12 hours for me) for free.. Because the government steals 1 whole day of pay every week from me. So yes, the reality of growing up is everything becomes "political" because they are, no1 is making them so.
I've been watching mixer on my xbox in the living room for a year now it's good background content and when the new xbox comes out I'm sure its guna be more integrated with mixer than it is now
Haze The Space Commie twitch is talentless gamers...? then what is mixer? people go crazy because someone is showing some skin. just don’t watch if you have an issue with it. you could count the good streamers on mixer on a few fingers
@@zeke5683 What about the amount of talented gamers that don't stream because they don't have the time or because all the current platforms aren't that good. Microsoft doing these deals could bring out the fresh talent or great personalities to start streaming on Mixer. I don't know what to think of Mixer at this point, only time will tell, however Microsoft has the money to payout.
@@dubbsa4973 how is that relevant to what i said? i know you are aware that people watch streamers for their entertainment value/personalities and not always for gaming content. they are only going to sign people with positive public images for branding sakes.
I started using mixer when shroud moved an I heard him say he has a higher bit rate on Mixer than twitch...personally I think the stream quality looks better on mixer than it did on twitch
I've been streaming on Mixer for almost two years now and the the vibe from the original content creators on the site isn't super positive about these acquisitions but I think these moves will lead to really good things for the platform and streaming in general. Thanks for the video!
Yikes you bunch of ungrateful swine . The reach these large streamer have can elevate a nobody to the next watched thing. Summit single-handedly changed Sea of Thieves, Summit changed GTARP with lirik,tim and soda. The group summit changed on GTA RP Chang Gang are now doing the same with others on GTA RP they interact with. Without these large creators mixer will still be it's 5% or what ever tiny share they have. You need them. Doc changed two kids on Fortnite lives collaborating with them. If one of these people hosted you, It would be OMG shroud,doc who ever we love you omg that dude is so cool.
@@zero2105 a summary: big streamers can help smaller streamers by bringing in more viewers to the website and possibly collaborating with pre existing mixer streamers.
Devin-- first time on your channel. I liked how you broke down things without really skipping any points. It's weird to see these days. Almost foreign. You were concise and you kept a clear train of thought throughout the video. Informative without being too boring and your reasoning for a lot of what you say can be backed up. Enjoyed the vid. Subbed.
I agree 100% with everything Nash said. One thing I think he is overlooking though. I think part of Mixer's whole strategy is to hopefully foster more homegrown talent due to these acquisitions. What I mean by that, is if it were purely about gaining immediate market share through increased viewership, they wouldn't be snagging up the largest creators 1 by 1. They would snatch up like 5-6 of the top 10 all at once. What grabbing 1 at a time, ONLY the TOP streamers, does is make other up and coming streamers or brand new streamers think about joining Mixer as their first choice. "Oh man, Ninja and Shroud are two of the most successful streamers, and they are on Mixer. I should stream on Mixer too." Its not just about viewer or membership acquisition, its about the snowball affect of talent acquisition on more talent acquisition. Because, ultimately, that's the only way Mixer will start to compete. They need their own Ninja's and Shroud's, not just recycled superstars from other platforms.
Bro, your explanations are always super informative and really helpful to people in the gaming industry. Even though I knew you were a team owner a long time ago, I only subbed after the videos you put out about the fate of Optic Gaming. In that short time, you've amazed me with the amount of detail and thought you put into videos! You deserve so many more subs than other "gaming news" channels because you know what you're doing. Keep up the good work!
Devin, I don't know what secret tech you have for youtube videos but I have already seen this video and subscribed to your channel and it still keeps showing up in my recommended. How have you unlocked the secret to the algorithm?
I couldn't watch passed the part where he breaks down hours streamed... That's almost exactly a full time job -- I don't get paid for lunch, I put in double time overtime hours and I don't make what some of these streamers make in 2 months in a whole year and work more hours a week doing hard labor. The streamers moving to mixer doesn't mystify me. It's a lump sum guaranteed as opposed to the fickle nature of subs. Anyone could retire on what ever that deal is worth.
Yeah its gross, but if you look at where these streamers like shroud started, they generally are either worst off then your average person working a average job and potentially even completely reliant on others for their survival for far longer then someone working a normal job and again with no guarantee that they will ever make better their average income. Not to mention both shroud and ninja were professional games so they were probably playing games longer then you work every day in very high stress environments. Not saying that you don't have it hard or they have it easy, but every job has downsides and upsides. In a lot of cases, whenever their is big upsides there is even bigger downsides.
@@demon3203 What are you talking about worse off, if he quit streaming now 3-4 generations of his family could live without working a day in their lives.
I was saying when they FIRST STARTED STREAMING as in before they were famous as fuck making a shit ton of money. They took a risk and likely lived dependent on others for way longer then your average person would. I'm basically just trying to tell that guy that you shouldn't feel sick with how much money he makes, because he made loads of sacrifices to get where he is at now. He put in his hours and it payed off for him great, but its not like the guy had zero struggles and was just handed a shit ton of money without every working for it.
Yeah my average work week is 50-60 hours. Some weeks are 80+ hours. I like shroud and all, but it's hard for a guy who works an outside job for this many hours to feel any kind of sympathy for someone who "has to stream" for 8 or more hours a day.
Every job has its struggles. You work hard but ALL of your money will be there. All of his income could just stop and could have just stopped long ago. He could of never got famous or made even average income, but it all worked out for him so that is great. Just understand that regardless of where you work and how you work there i will be good and bad things. Often times the better the pay the more risks you have to take.
I actually really enjoyed watching this and this is the 2nd video I watched from you in last year. Now, you talkin about this, is gonna up my watchtime on your channel and make me talk to friends about you. Its all a bussiness circle baby
@@drewmartin8503 insane I don't know about that. The hypothetical number of 25 million is insane too me because I might make 1.4 mil in my life time and 300k will probably go too taxes.
@@drewmartin8503 it's not the success tho its is the number. Regardless of the person or if they deserve it the idea that someone(anyone) makes that much is ridiculous. Yes I know many others make much more again it's just the idea that makes me sad.
@@ArmandoTheWanderer Hey man don't worry it's totally normal to feel what you are feeling I feel it too. It is what drives you to not be comfortable with your current environment and make a better life for yourself. You just have to be creative when it comes to developing what lucrative skills make you valuable, and I think with time anyone can find success.
I don't see it happening. DrDisrespect in comparison to these other streamers isn't nearly as marketable and isn't as advertiser friendly either with his content, his acts of rage and crap talk, his Twitch bathroom livestreaming incident, and potentially his past with his affair and perceived negative personality outside of his streams (although I disagree with that). To top it off, especially if TimTheTatMan and other big twitch streamers leave the platform, he'll be the only top streamer left, potentially increasing viewer counts due to lack of any other streamer of notoriety being present on the platform, as well as his known ego (being in character or not, "get em' outta here"). I just don't see it happening.
I definitely think the time is a huge factor and agree with you there. Shroud even said he's happy with the move because it'll allow him more time to upload content on RUclips and elsewhere while having security and stability, as you noted.
They need to buyout all the mid tier streamers that average like 300-1000 concurrent viewers and not the real popular streamers. The issue with popular streamers like myth and pokimane and Dr disrespect is that people just watch them cuz their popular theres no real loyalty, their viewership in a way is inflated. Example. Im on twitch, i see dr disrespect streaming so i click. Im not gonna go over to mixer to watch dr disrespect. No offense hes a great content creator and funny, but ive never had any significant interaction with dr. Disrespect. i believe the beauty of streaming is not just watching people frag out on a fps or necessarily enjoying their content, but more the interactions that happen on a personal level with the streamer and the viewership. That's what people pay for. Im a gamer, im an average gamer with a PC, and I believe that example is a very common one with the majority of us gamers who are the backbone of streaming and twitch. Now take for example a streamer of "insert game here", that has 400 concurrent viewers. That streamer has a loyal fanbase that comes and watches his/her streaming daily not cuz it's popular but because they are legitimately loyal. That small time streamer has die hard loyal fans. I would follow that stream onto mixer or anywhere they go. You get enough of those streamers you'll have thousands pouring into mixer. I'm sure a six figure salary is solid for a streamer with under a 1000 concurrent viewers. Microsoft would just have to do their homework and find the right streamers, but looking at the directory and spending some time on twitch it's not hard to pick them out.
Very true. In case of shroud though I think it will be different from the Ninja scenario as shroud does have a pretty loyal fanbase. Atleast 15k people who will definitely change over. It depends from person to person in the high tier scene.
But no mid level streamers going to risks to jumpship.....they are more calculated with their move , risk lost of viewrships especially subs and prime.Twitch still the market leader for streaming... Microsoft won't splurge a lot of money just to bring streamers with sub 1k viewers....Mixer's intentions for acquired Ninja and Shroud only for their marketing/branding..to be honest, i didn't even know Mixer exist till news regarding Ninja' s joining Mixer as exclusive streamer.
@Mootch i only 'passing by "dr disrespect/shroud ' channels, just to see what their up to , and switch channels...i like Pubg very much, i spent much more time to streamers like Choctaco ( u can learn one or two from his gameplay, and explaining on the fly why he did what he did in the game), Kaymind, pro pubg player, bery enggaging with his viewer with his sick play.etc.etc.
wrong, while like you said a small time streamer has like 400-1000 loyal followers, shroud has like at least 10 to 20 thousand loyal followers. How do you think he got big? So your entire point is wrong. A popular streamer will always have a bigger loyal followship than a small streamer.
Subscribed because of how well the video explained the situation. I think I have seen you around on some other videos but I look forward to catching more videos.
Mixer have got shroud in the best possible time too with Modern Warfare being released as he's is one of the best to watch on it! Very smart move by mixer, plus if it doesn't work out for them it is pocket change to the company what they are paying them and will easily make the money back 👍.
People with normal jobs and freelancers. Signed can mean multiple things, but in this case it means exclusivity to a platform. Ninja and Shroud have signed a contract with Microsoft to exclusively stream on mixer and in turn get paid by Microsoft. From what I have seen, Twitch also has contracts with some larger streamers that go beyond "partnered', most of those ask for exclusivity but they get a larger cut of ad revenue or subscriptions. Free agents are streamers who are not locked to a platform. They can stream simultaneously on Twitch, You Tube, Mixer, Facebook and while they might have a contract with a company that allows them to earn money from streaming, they are not limited from other contracts.
No.. he's going off his perspective and doing research. Which is stupid 😂 why waste his time. We all know Twitch has issues and we all knew he made million off the his deal.. enough said
Great Video. I learned about economics while talking about something that I find interesting. Thank You for helping all of us learn a little bit about how these big corporations work.
BackFireZz I mean, same could be said about Ninja. I feel the reason so many people watch Shroud is because he’s just naturally good at basically any shooter he plays, and he’s just so nonchalant about it
Axel Blaze no it’s not there both freaking massive this is like arguing who makes more money Microsoft or apple lol who cares there multibillion dollar company’s
@@bekeex and? Just because it's a big company does not mean they will throw this kind of unrealistic amounts of money on a streamer. Realistically, they will not be able to make their money back if they are throwing these sums on Shroud and Ninja.
I think the second step in Mixer business strategy is to get esports events on their platform with better ad rates or revenue for the events ORG. These way they will increase their visibility because esports brings a tone of views and they can keep it brand friendly for those higher CPMs.
exactly, same with TFue. both of them will stay on twitch. i think the biggest deal outside of those two, ninja and shroud, would be Poki. they take the queen of twitch as well as a few more of the top 15 brand friendly dudes it's a problem for twitch. the question i have is would ALL of the Offline tv crew go too or would it just be Poki?
Kharmatos13 poki would be a steal, however the issue for Mixer isn’t getting all of the big talent, they can throw money at that problem all day long, what they need is the amateur steamer mindshare so people think “I want to start streaming” *opens mixer* Right now everyone thinks twitch and that is what mixer needs to change.
@@Kharmatos13 I predict mixer will start to grab more variety/variety gaming streamers. Steamers that are known for their personality/feel rather than a specific game like Ninja being known exclusively for fortnite
And how exactly is Doc bringing problems? He talks whats on his mind and he is very aware what situation the whole market is in. Not to mention he's said in the past (troll or not troll) "I'll leave twitch if Shroud leaves" so that just shows he does think about it, we all do. Who wouldnt want to have more time to spend time with ur wife and daughter and get a similar type of income. Regarding Poki, i highly doubt she would move because of the daily interactions she has with twitch streamers; they would have to move a lot of smaller streamers that are friend if pokis to move her i reckon
@@Profpartytime You completely misread what i said. I didn't say anything about Doc going anywhere, I said about him getting a 'deal'. People talk and talk about Mixer not screwing around with terms and conditions and no grey areas and wanting them to be for gaming and to be stern, cool, well that also applies to being racist and going into bathrooms filming with children present. Like i said, he brings more problems than he is worth. There are about 8 other people in front of Doc and probably people behind him that mixer would take a shot with before risking their young brand on someone like doc.
This shit been going on longer then IRL has existed. A few "Boobie Streamers" back in the day would have friends or even boyfriend play and records game play that they would run on stream and pretend to be playing the game. While obviously showing cleavage and maybe jumping up and down when they get donations/subs. What we have now is just those "boobie Streamers" that everyone said was not an issue pushing the fold a little more every year and now 5+ years later we have what is currently twitch. Where half the women on twitch have patreons with nudes and other "lewd" stuff that people can get from giving them money... A good portion of them have had showed to much at least 1 or done something that CLEARLY break twitch TOS and get away with it...
Mixer is shit. I stream there daily and it screws up so much. Plus these big names coming to Mixer is just going to ruin chances for up and coming streamers
@@_NightmareVideo That isn't how it works. Big names bring more viewers into mixer and then you smaller streamers have a bigger chance of growing their stream because of that. Unless you are exactly like ninja or shroud then you guys aren't directly competing with each other. You have your own niche and perks about that make you different to watch then ninja or shroud.
Hey Devin, I thought your video was very insightful. I think the only hard part is truly assessing the viewer retention with only the numbers like the ones from this article. As twitch has higher hours per user on average, as likely people spend more time on twitch per visit. I think finding some area to look at market share with that aspect, as they're in 2 different positions on life-cycle. Will allow you to better examine market share and the impacts mixer receives from their acquisitions of influencers.
I watch way more RUclips than I ever do Twitch or Mixer. I can't even mention facebook gaming cause I never watch anything on facebook except my friends stories.
Never watched any of your video's, no idea who you are, but you broke it down better than anyone so far and especially touched upon that this amount of money for a company like Microsoft is peanuts, they have been successfully getting into other markets to not depend on Windows so much, and this is streamer deal is probably not the first, nor the only strategy they are going to use. Great video and thanks ^^
RUclips/Google auto banned me from streaming for 3 months because my cat walked over my keyboard hitting F5 and I broadcast 3 mins of silence before I had realised, deleting the video didn't resolve the issue.
@@xDanishGamerz sure, but they used to stream there and even tho they are/were big, twitch still pushed them to stream more. So they left, just like others are now.
It is still considered a full time job at best. He just works 2 hours less each day. He could work 2 hours more each day and only 5 days a week but 6hrs a day everyday means you’re calculating the whole month and not just 22 days. Pretty sweet gig props to them
@@superBAkid it's not, I currently "work" 12 hours a day and I have gamed 12 hours, I was way more exhausted after gaming. Because in office you don't work all the time, there is a huge chunk of time where you are just pretending to work.
Prateek Choudhary okay everyone else thinks it’s easier just because you work in an office doesn’t mean that’s the only job ever work construction even 8 hours a day I bet you’d want video games any day 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@superBAkid You are just seeing these top streamers earning millions. There are streamers who stream 8-10 hours a day with at most 100 viewers and barely making any money.
*Cough cough* They do pay streamers BUT the streamers need to maintain a certain amount of views, hours per stream. Sadly only a few select partnered streamers get this chance. You just have to know who to be friends with. I remember getting a call from a partnered streamer friend having an anxiety attack due to Twitch's favoritism. She streams regularly, maintains her numbers well but because she's not friends with any Twitch employee she is not being compensated. When she found out this girl who isn't streaming much, isn't hitting her numbers is being compensated she cried a river. As much as I love Twitch, the bias and mismanagement is too much. Mixer is bringing something fresh and a more gaming oriented platform. An escape away from those almost naked people that never get banned but is bannable according to Twitch rules.
"I know exactly how much they make but I won't disclose that" How do you know that? Are you their accountant? A lot of this is just arbitrary opinions presented as facts.
Shroud said today he wants to work on his brand more. He also said mixer has a less toxic fan base and thinks he will get stream sniped less. I think that separation will just get further exaggerated. I tried watching some people on mixer awhile back and the quality was so bad from people streaming from their Xbox, but now that I saw Shroud and it’s better quality than Twitch I will start watching for sure.
Emotes and all that crap just completely ruined the community imo. Smaller streamers are way more fun to watch, because you can actually chat with them etc because the chat isn't full of autistic downs syndrome kids spamming "kappa" in chat!
Just so you know there is 3rd party emote developers for mixer. its called mixer elixir..not as good obviously but it does exist. whether or not mixer lets that stay will be up to them.
@@jameslopez9661 thats why i say you are all talk Do you even copy pasta chat? Shit is even more annoying than emotes. its just bunch of wall of texts. Beside if you are watching a stream where 50k people in chat toxicity is inevitable
It's all speculation, who the hell really knows why he moved other than friends, family, and Shroud himself. Love that guy, one of the most talented gamers I've seen while being entertaining and engaging at the same time. Very well rounded streamer and wish him nothing but the best. Shroudy Rowdy, peek once and it's back to the lobby.
I mean I think the argument isn't that money don't matter, more than Money isn't the main reason to changes to another platform. If you can make big money any way, other things become important like having more free time without worrying to lose views and subs.
amazing video. it would be awesome if u can expand alot of your business content from mostly to creating your own business. or talking about the economy and how new laws effect business stuff.
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I'm happy for Shroud
Same here
true fan
Only the best for our lord and savior
Only reason i watched twitch was because of him...twitch is doing bs and ppl support/keep with that...
True.
Twitch burns too many bridges with their double standards.
MrFuggleGuggle SquadW
@@Ignigknok democrats are worse they fuck up people LIFE'S!
@Clyde Cash Or he might actually a smart person and doesn't do politics at all.
@@Vipppala The ancient Greeks had a word for a person that pays no attention to the affairs of state, and is apathetic toward his society overall.
Idiote, the root for the English word idiot.
@@Coccelo Ancient Greeks also thought that fucking young boys was a fine hobby so maybe not everything they say is right nor you should be placing too much value in their words, eh?
Why don’t Microsoft just buy twitch,
Merge the 2 together and call it “Twixer”
😂 I’ll see myself out......
😂😂 or they could call it Mitch...
It would never be same as now in a sense u r correct too🤷♂️
Bc it’s not worth it and amazon wouldn’t sell it with cheap price.
doesnt amazon own Twitch ?
gotta love the idea of a monopoly
microsoft will love Ninja even more when the next Halo game comes out, I'm sure that he's going to be the face of Halo
He did to Gears 5 to the first week so he will definitely do Halo lol
@Derrick Terry they're remaking the old halo games on pc. It would be the good halo games he competed in just with a mouse and keyboard instead so I think he would play
@Derrick Terry I agree he won't compete but I would be surprised if he didn't play pubs though. Also he did play halo 5 as a pro so not too long ago and long after the downfall of halo
@Derrick Terry ruclips.net/video/EekELkkygas/видео.html not the most well known area of his career I found out just recently too
@Derrick Terry he played halo 5 professionally in 2016...
It's so interesting hearing Xqc's uninformed views on these subjects then coming here and hearing someone talk who knows what they're talking about
Xqc can’t understand it because the guy doesn’t ever leave the house and can’t fathom not streaming 10 hours a day
@@blob3106 how would leaving his house help him understand shroud moving, something that is part of his career
r u really trying to hate on one of the biggest twitch streamers
@@rensaito9009 you didn't get his point at all, he was basically saying that xcq has no life outside of streaming so for him it's no problem at all to stream all day to maintain his viewership while shroud might want to spend his time actually living his life without worrying about his views dropping
@@gabiblack ah, my bad
Gabiblack but xqc does have a life outside of streaming
Who's watching this after the mixer shutdown announcement?
184 hours is just the actual "Live Stream" time. Then add in the setup, the maintenance, the business meetings and phone calls.... the time adds up. I'll bet he spends about 12-14 hrs every day focusing on his channel on Twitch. And yeah, for 25 mil I'd do it too!
This makes the most sense. Smart move by Microsoft.
And Shroud can happily say that Amazon doesn't write his checks.
As someone that streamers on Mixer and is a partner, I can tell you that the brand friendly CAS is what Mixer is doing. All of the partners that get spotlighted on the sight are all very brand friendly and “safe”. Nice breakdown.
What do you mean safe? Like family friendly?
Family/teen friendly sure but more so people that don’t get into any controversy/drama for any reason
DJ MoonDawg yeah.. that would be refreshing for a change tbh.
@@audir5964 idk about you but the dumb shit that happens on twitch is the main reason i watch
Fuck being safe 🤣 Its no wonder no one watches me. I'm the Dellor of Mixer
Image getting companys like Riot Games to stream their stuff on Mixer rather than on Twitch
Riot is a multi billion-dollar company that streams on multiple different websites, Microsoft doesn't have the money to make them Mixer exclusive lmao. Riot Games is 100% owned by Tencent, the biggest company in China.
@@minartson oh the trillion dollar company doesn't have enough money to do that great to know.
@@kingDTD1 Tencent has 200 billion more than Microsoft, so yeah.
@@architectsxiii5379 ok I want to kno where you got that from cause i can't find anything to support that
@@kingDTD1 I got that from them owning some of the biggest gaming studios and other products??? And the fact that they are you know.. CHINA.
Tencent is the world's largest gaming company, one of the world's most valuable technology companies, one of the world's largest social media companies, and one of the world's largest venture capital firms and investment corporations.
No joke, I’ve watched every single video u posted, except the really old ones, and you have literally changed my whole world view. You have showed how people that are good at business thinks and now everything makes so much fucking sense. I understand more I would say why company’s do what they do and why people do what they do.
Dangg, I would take a $25 contact and a hot dog to move to mixer, where my pay at??
I also enjoy hotdogs
I also enjoy hotdogs
I also enjoy hotdogs
I also enjoy hotdogs
I also enjoy hotdogs
Its the difference between having a salary and being a contractor...
Whole video in 11 words
Ya it's just "PRETTY GOOD" to be making 25million to sit on ur ass and do what u love just pretty good
@Denny Rubin 😂 yeah and just wait, let one of those lunatic Dems get elected. Can you say wealth tax🤣🤙. All these big money streamers will hate it.
@@jonathonbridges9625 Dont bring politics into gaming guys. Its annoying when people do that. Gaming is mainly just to have fun even these guys do it because they enjoy it. If they didnt get paid at all and didnt have to work to support themselves they would still stream.
@@AveragePokeCollector i agree but the reality is politics have infected every single facet of our lives. RUclips is political now.
@@jonathonbridges9625 Not true at all. It is what people make it. Politics literally has nothing to do with us directly so why bring it up? Let them deal with it.
@@AveragePokeCollector What part of getting ass raped by the government stealing 7 million from someone's pay "has nothing to do with us". I basically work a whole day (12 hours for me) for free.. Because the government steals 1 whole day of pay every week from me. So yes, the reality of growing up is everything becomes "political" because they are, no1 is making them so.
I've been watching mixer on my xbox in the living room for a year now it's good background content and when the new xbox comes out I'm sure its guna be more integrated with mixer than it is now
Twitch is better
Haze The Space Commie twitch is talentless gamers...? then what is mixer? people go crazy because someone is showing some
skin. just don’t watch if you have an issue with it. you could count the good streamers on mixer on a few fingers
@@zeke5683 What about the amount of talented gamers that don't stream because they don't have the time or because all the current platforms aren't that good. Microsoft doing these deals could bring out the fresh talent or great personalities to start streaming on Mixer. I don't know what to think of Mixer at this point, only time will tell, however Microsoft has the money to payout.
@@dubbsa4973 how is that relevant to what i said? i know you are aware that people watch streamers for their entertainment value/personalities and not always for gaming content. they are only going to sign people with positive public images for branding sakes.
I started using mixer when shroud moved an I heard him say he has a higher bit rate on Mixer than twitch...personally I think the stream quality looks better on mixer than it did on twitch
Twtich streaming quality is quite bad (at least for me), mixer, youtube and facebook work waaaaaay better. Idk why
Subbed off the back of this, you're mad good at explaining things Devin!
THISSS IS THE MOST ACCURATE BREAK DOWN
I've been streaming on Mixer for almost two years now and the the vibe from the original content creators on the site isn't super positive about these acquisitions but I think these moves will lead to really good things for the platform and streaming in general. Thanks for the video!
Yikes you bunch of ungrateful swine . The reach these large streamer have can elevate a nobody to the next watched thing. Summit single-handedly changed Sea of Thieves, Summit changed GTARP with lirik,tim and soda. The group summit changed on GTA RP Chang Gang are now doing the same with others on GTA RP they interact with. Without these large creators mixer will still be it's 5% or what ever tiny share they have. You need them. Doc changed two kids on Fortnite lives collaborating with them. If one of these people hosted you, It would be OMG shroud,doc who ever we love you omg that dude is so cool.
D3toxd Nigga, what?
@@zero2105 a summary: big streamers can help smaller streamers by bringing in more viewers to the website and possibly collaborating with pre existing mixer streamers.
@@d3toxd670 your first word explains your message
Me too
I wish I had half the faith in myself as this dude has in his top hair.
Just do it buddy
Just watched back to back bangers from you, keep it up!
Yo thank you for going into detail on the subject man I love it
thank you!
Devin-- first time on your channel. I liked how you broke down things without really skipping any points. It's weird to see these days. Almost foreign. You were concise and you kept a clear train of thought throughout the video. Informative without being too boring and your reasoning for a lot of what you say can be backed up. Enjoyed the vid. Subbed.
Love the content you put out man! So much value
I agree 100% with everything Nash said. One thing I think he is overlooking though. I think part of Mixer's whole strategy is to hopefully foster more homegrown talent due to these acquisitions. What I mean by that, is if it were purely about gaining immediate market share through increased viewership, they wouldn't be snagging up the largest creators 1 by 1. They would snatch up like 5-6 of the top 10 all at once. What grabbing 1 at a time, ONLY the TOP streamers, does is make other up and coming streamers or brand new streamers think about joining Mixer as their first choice. "Oh man, Ninja and Shroud are two of the most successful streamers, and they are on Mixer. I should stream on Mixer too." Its not just about viewer or membership acquisition, its about the snowball affect of talent acquisition on more talent acquisition. Because, ultimately, that's the only way Mixer will start to compete. They need their own Ninja's and Shroud's, not just recycled superstars from other platforms.
Goes without saying but fantastic analysis, truly enjoy your take on the industry as a whole. Looking forward to your next one Mr Nash
Bro, your explanations are always super informative and really helpful to people in the gaming industry. Even though I knew you were a team owner a long time ago, I only subbed after the videos you put out about the fate of Optic Gaming. In that short time, you've amazed me with the amount of detail and thought you put into videos! You deserve so many more subs than other "gaming news" channels because you know what you're doing. Keep up the good work!
Seen a lot of people making videos on shrouds move but I’ve waited for yours to come! Definitely the best out there when covering these topics
thank you! I appreciate the message
Devin, I don't know what secret tech you have for youtube videos but I have already seen this video and subscribed to your channel and it still keeps showing up in my recommended.
How have you unlocked the secret to the algorithm?
I couldn't watch passed the part where he breaks down hours streamed... That's almost exactly a full time job -- I don't get paid for lunch, I put in double time overtime hours and I don't make what some of these streamers make in 2 months in a whole year and work more hours a week doing hard labor. The streamers moving to mixer doesn't mystify me. It's a lump sum guaranteed as opposed to the fickle nature of subs. Anyone could retire on what ever that deal is worth.
Yeah its gross, but if you look at where these streamers like shroud started, they generally are either worst off then your average person working a average job and potentially even completely reliant on others for their survival for far longer then someone working a normal job and again with no guarantee that they will ever make better their average income. Not to mention both shroud and ninja were professional games so they were probably playing games longer then you work every day in very high stress environments. Not saying that you don't have it hard or they have it easy, but every job has downsides and upsides. In a lot of cases, whenever their is big upsides there is even bigger downsides.
@@demon3203 What are you talking about worse off, if he quit streaming now 3-4 generations of his family could live without working a day in their lives.
I was saying when they FIRST STARTED STREAMING as in before they were famous as fuck making a shit ton of money. They took a risk and likely lived dependent on others for way longer then your average person would. I'm basically just trying to tell that guy that you shouldn't feel sick with how much money he makes, because he made loads of sacrifices to get where he is at now. He put in his hours and it payed off for him great, but its not like the guy had zero struggles and was just handed a shit ton of money without every working for it.
Yeah my average work week is 50-60 hours. Some weeks are 80+ hours. I like shroud and all, but it's hard for a guy who works an outside job for this many hours to feel any kind of sympathy for someone who "has to stream" for 8 or more hours a day.
Every job has its struggles. You work hard but ALL of your money will be there. All of his income could just stop and could have just stopped long ago. He could of never got famous or made even average income, but it all worked out for him so that is great. Just understand that regardless of where you work and how you work there i will be good and bad things. Often times the better the pay the more risks you have to take.
They need a big name VR Player for the upcoming XBox VR.
I love your videos. They are so informative and interesting to watch and listen to. You're the only guy I have hit that bell icon for.
thank you, awesome of you to say - I'll keep trying!
I actually really enjoyed watching this and this is the 2nd video I watched from you in last year.
Now, you talkin about this, is gonna up my watchtime on your channel and make me talk to friends about you.
Its all a bussiness circle baby
This was very informative and depressing for normal Joe's.
Why would it be depressing? Because you don't make that money? That's insane.
@@drewmartin8503 insane I don't know about that. The hypothetical number of 25 million is insane too me because I might make 1.4 mil in my life time and 300k will probably go too taxes.
@@ArmandoTheWanderer The number is gargantuan. That's not the part that's insane. Letting someone else's success depress you is what's insane.
@@drewmartin8503 it's not the success tho its is the number. Regardless of the person or if they deserve it the idea that someone(anyone) makes that much is ridiculous. Yes I know many others make much more again it's just the idea that makes me sad.
@@ArmandoTheWanderer Hey man don't worry it's totally normal to feel what you are feeling I feel it too. It is what drives you to not be comfortable with your current environment and make a better life for yourself. You just have to be creative when it comes to developing what lucrative skills make you valuable, and I think with time anyone can find success.
I love this breakdown!
So down to earth, and authentic through and through!
I subed right at the end of it! 🤙
If Mixer buys out Dr Disrespect, twitch is over.
I don't see it happening. DrDisrespect in comparison to these other streamers isn't nearly as marketable and isn't as advertiser friendly either with his content, his acts of rage and crap talk, his Twitch bathroom livestreaming incident, and potentially his past with his affair and perceived negative personality outside of his streams (although I disagree with that). To top it off, especially if TimTheTatMan and other big twitch streamers leave the platform, he'll be the only top streamer left, potentially increasing viewer counts due to lack of any other streamer of notoriety being present on the platform, as well as his known ego (being in character or not, "get em' outta here"). I just don't see it happening.
I definitely think the time is a huge factor and agree with you there. Shroud even said he's happy with the move because it'll allow him more time to upload content on RUclips and elsewhere while having security and stability, as you noted.
They need to buyout all the mid tier streamers that average like 300-1000 concurrent viewers and not the real popular streamers. The issue with popular streamers like myth and pokimane and Dr disrespect is that people just watch them cuz their popular theres no real loyalty, their viewership in a way is inflated.
Example. Im on twitch, i see dr disrespect streaming so i click. Im not gonna go over to mixer to watch dr disrespect. No offense hes a great content creator and funny, but ive never had any significant interaction with dr. Disrespect. i believe the beauty of streaming is not just watching people frag out on a fps or necessarily enjoying their content, but more the interactions that happen on a personal level with the streamer and the viewership. That's what people pay for.
Im a gamer, im an average gamer with a PC, and I believe that example is a very common one with the majority of us gamers who are the backbone of streaming and twitch.
Now take for example a streamer of "insert game here", that has 400 concurrent viewers. That streamer has a loyal fanbase that comes and watches his/her streaming daily not cuz it's popular but because they are legitimately loyal. That small time streamer has die hard loyal fans. I would follow that stream onto mixer or anywhere they go. You get enough of those streamers you'll have thousands pouring into mixer.
I'm sure a six figure salary is solid for a streamer with under a 1000 concurrent viewers. Microsoft would just have to do their homework and find the right streamers, but looking at the directory and spending some time on twitch it's not hard to pick them out.
Very true. In case of shroud though I think it will be different from the Ninja scenario as shroud does have a pretty loyal fanbase. Atleast 15k people who will definitely change over. It depends from person to person in the high tier scene.
But no mid level streamers going to risks to jumpship.....they are more calculated with their move , risk lost of viewrships especially subs and prime.Twitch still the market leader for streaming... Microsoft won't splurge a lot of money just to bring streamers with sub 1k viewers....Mixer's intentions for acquired Ninja and Shroud only for their marketing/branding..to be honest, i didn't even know Mixer exist till news regarding Ninja' s joining Mixer as exclusive streamer.
@Mootch i only 'passing by "dr disrespect/shroud ' channels, just to see what their up to , and switch channels...i like Pubg very much, i spent much more time to streamers like Choctaco ( u can learn one or two from his gameplay, and explaining on the fly why he did what he did in the game), Kaymind, pro pubg player, bery enggaging with his viewer with his sick play.etc.etc.
wrong, while like you said a small time streamer has like 400-1000 loyal followers, shroud has like at least 10 to 20 thousand loyal followers. How do you think he got big? So your entire point is wrong. A popular streamer will always have a bigger loyal followship than a small streamer.
@Mootch xQc isn't brand friendly. Mixer wouldn't want him
I love how he gave himself props at the end for how good a job he did breaking down...well...just basic concepts of capitolism and economics.
Really good video Devin, made me understand more in-depth the subject :)
Subscribed because of how well the video explained the situation. I think I have seen you around on some other videos but I look forward to catching more videos.
It's like when all the wwf talent went to wcw because of guaranteed contracts and because they got a slice of merch deals
Awesome video, these are the kind of things I think about also, great to see analysis like this. You got a new sub.
If streamers I like are on, ill have twitch, mixer, RUclips open in 4 squares on a separate screen and the volume on mute.
Where can I find similar content to this? I like your content, but want to find more.
“So” is a common word in this video
Mixer have got shroud in the best possible time too with Modern Warfare being released as he's is one of the best to watch on it! Very smart move by mixer, plus if it doesn't work out for them it is pocket change to the company what they are paying them and will easily make the money back 👍.
It was definitely planned lol
Finally something to crack the whip for Twitch
Holy shit first YT vid I’ve seen. Big brain I’m hooked. Always seen you on trains podcast but never seen your content.
Devin can you break down who is “signed” and who is a “free agent” and what importance each one has?
People with normal jobs and freelancers.
Signed can mean multiple things, but in this case it means exclusivity to a platform. Ninja and Shroud have signed a contract with Microsoft to exclusively stream on mixer and in turn get paid by Microsoft. From what I have seen, Twitch also has contracts with some larger streamers that go beyond "partnered', most of those ask for exclusivity but they get a larger cut of ad revenue or subscriptions.
Free agents are streamers who are not locked to a platform. They can stream simultaneously on Twitch, You Tube, Mixer, Facebook and while they might have a contract with a company that allows them to earn money from streaming, they are not limited from other contracts.
No.. he's going off his perspective and doing research. Which is stupid 😂 why waste his time. We all know Twitch has issues and we all knew he made million off the his deal.. enough said
Great Video. I learned about economics while talking about something that I find interesting. Thank You for helping all of us learn a little bit about how these big corporations work.
People will actually watch Shroud though compared to ninja this guy's full of great info
LaylaEatsTrees what info? His only quality is being good at video games.
BackFireZz I mean, same could be said about Ninja. I feel the reason so many people watch Shroud is because he’s just naturally good at basically any shooter he plays, and he’s just so nonchalant about it
People watch ninja he is huge wtf are you talking about
@@MasterJazz09 he is no doubt... But if you look at the views that are rn.... Shroud is still consistent whereas ninja... He is kind of suffering
Axel Blaze no it’s not there both freaking massive this is like arguing who makes more money Microsoft or apple lol who cares there multibillion dollar company’s
Respect for using notepad. It is my go to tool for everything on the pc. Good to see people are still smart enough to use it!
stfu imbecile
50 million dollars, even if he loses views he has made bank.
Are people really that ignorant of the value of money? 50 million? That's Soccer levels of money..
@@asjoalsjka mixer is Microsoft.
@@bekeex and? Just because it's a big company does not mean they will throw this kind of unrealistic amounts of money on a streamer.
Realistically, they will not be able to make their money back if they are throwing these sums on Shroud and Ninja.
@@asjoalsjka and epic isn't either with its fake exclusives :/ and make profit because dicks still buy their marketed games.
@@asjoalsjka he didnt get 50 million. i heard he did get a 25 million deal for 3 years
I think the second step in Mixer business strategy is to get esports events on their platform with better ad rates or revenue for the events ORG. These way they will increase their visibility because esports brings a tone of views and they can keep it brand friendly for those higher CPMs.
After Ninja went I said shroud was next and I always say this... Doc will NEVER get a deal from Mixer, he brings more problems than he is worth
exactly, same with TFue. both of them will stay on twitch. i think the biggest deal outside of those two, ninja and shroud, would be Poki. they take the queen of twitch as well as a few more of the top 15 brand friendly dudes it's a problem for twitch. the question i have is would ALL of the Offline tv crew go too or would it just be Poki?
Kharmatos13 poki would be a steal, however the issue for Mixer isn’t getting all of the big talent, they can throw money at that problem all day long, what they need is the amateur steamer mindshare so people think “I want to start streaming” *opens mixer*
Right now everyone thinks twitch and that is what mixer needs to change.
@@Kharmatos13 I predict mixer will start to grab more variety/variety gaming streamers. Steamers that are known for their personality/feel rather than a specific game like Ninja being known exclusively for fortnite
And how exactly is Doc bringing problems? He talks whats on his mind and he is very aware what situation the whole market is in. Not to mention he's said in the past (troll or not troll) "I'll leave twitch if Shroud leaves" so that just shows he does think about it, we all do. Who wouldnt want to have more time to spend time with ur wife and daughter and get a similar type of income. Regarding Poki, i highly doubt she would move because of the daily interactions she has with twitch streamers; they would have to move a lot of smaller streamers that are friend if pokis to move her i reckon
@@Profpartytime You completely misread what i said. I didn't say anything about Doc going anywhere, I said about him getting a 'deal'. People talk and talk about Mixer not screwing around with terms and conditions and no grey areas and wanting them to be for gaming and to be stern, cool, well that also applies to being racist and going into bathrooms filming with children present. Like i said, he brings more problems than he is worth. There are about 8 other people in front of Doc and probably people behind him that mixer would take a shot with before risking their young brand on someone like doc.
How do you know of what they make? Interesting 😮
I also think its because mixer is a better platform, im sure some of the streamers are tired of the irl section getting away with all it does, etc.
This shit been going on longer then IRL has existed. A few "Boobie Streamers" back in the day would have friends or even boyfriend play and records game play that they would run on stream and pretend to be playing the game. While obviously showing cleavage and maybe jumping up and down when they get donations/subs. What we have now is just those "boobie Streamers" that everyone said was not an issue pushing the fold a little more every year and now 5+ years later we have what is currently twitch. Where half the women on twitch have patreons with nudes and other "lewd" stuff that people can get from giving them money... A good portion of them have had showed to much at least 1 or done something that CLEARLY break twitch TOS and get away with it...
@@demon3203 kinda made my point
Mixer is shit. I stream there daily and it screws up so much. Plus these big names coming to Mixer is just going to ruin chances for up and coming streamers
@@_NightmareVideo That isn't how it works. Big names bring more viewers into mixer and then you smaller streamers have a bigger chance of growing their stream because of that. Unless you are exactly like ninja or shroud then you guys aren't directly competing with each other. You have your own niche and perks about that make you different to watch then ninja or shroud.
@@demon3203 That's how I'm trying to do it. But I feel like us unknown get scrubbed out because people are mostly watching the big names
Hey Devin, I thought your video was very insightful. I think the only hard part is truly assessing the viewer retention with only the numbers like the ones from this article. As twitch has higher hours per user on average, as likely people spend more time on twitch per visit. I think finding some area to look at market share with that aspect, as they're in 2 different positions on life-cycle. Will allow you to better examine market share and the impacts mixer receives from their acquisitions of influencers.
Man Devin, you probably are the most underrated e-sport content creator atm, or I guess it's just me who enjoys all the business side of things.
That moment when Devin predicted Courage's move to youtube lol 15:20
I can't say how much Shrod got, but let's just use half of it.. let's say 25 million. LOL
Man! This video blew up! Nice
I watch way more RUclips than I ever do Twitch or Mixer. I can't even mention facebook gaming cause I never watch anything on facebook except my friends stories.
Some great info in here thanks!! Great Job!
Dont put white chat on white background..
may i ask how do you know for how many years shroud's contract with mixer?
lmfaooo imagine being like a 5 year sub of shroud or sumthin and he just dips
Fluskar you think he cares lol
If your a 5 year sub to someone then you are very loyal to that streamer so I'm pretty sure they will just watch him on mixer like they did on twitch
Good thing i never spend a penny watching twitch
I mean everyone gets a free sub on mixer so it's not like its much different
@@potatopatato1565 me too lmfao
@1:45 you say you actually know how much these streamers make! how do you know this?
the money MS spent on Shroud and Ninja, they made in profit the next day from selling software.
and? companies shouldn't waste money at all.
Never watched any of your video's, no idea who you are, but you broke it down better than anyone so far and especially touched upon that this amount of money for a company like Microsoft is peanuts, they have been successfully getting into other markets to not depend on Windows so much, and this is streamer deal is probably not the first, nor the only strategy they are going to use.
Great video and thanks ^^
Not a constant viewer of ninja or shroud but definitely would stop watching twitch if Timthetatman went to mixer
His comments about who's next. Makes me wonder if he's thinking about switching
Solid video bro
google will never do such a thing, mixer has the advantage of being completely new nobody will judge them, google its totally different
RUclips/Google auto banned me from streaming for 3 months because my cat walked over my keyboard hitting F5 and I broadcast 3 mins of silence before I had realised, deleting the video didn't resolve the issue.
Very concise and informative, truly love it!
I am not a regular viewer of Devin, can anyone explain why he knows how much Shroud and Ninja got from their contracts?
Connections and experience in the gaming industry.
New to you but i saw you on scuffed i see your forte...your the smart one.SUBBED
Pokimane is obviously next.
Not sure tho, she has all her friends streaming on Twitch.
It’s fun to watch giant companies compete like Disney+ vs Netflix , mixer vs twitch etc . Interesting times folks !
Boring dystopian times folks
H3h3 has been talking about this for quite a while..
H3h3 isn't exactly clever.
@@xDanishGamerz sure, but they used to stream there and even tho they are/were big, twitch still pushed them to stream more. So they left, just like others are now.
@@Andreas92 Sure,you can compare them, but again h3h3's main platform is youtube while ninja and shrouds main platform were twitch.
It is still considered a full time job at best. He just works 2 hours less each day. He could work 2 hours more each day and only 5 days a week but 6hrs a day everyday means you’re calculating the whole month and not just 22 days. Pretty sweet gig props to them
This guy is making money to point out the obvious lmao
Obvious to some maybe... not for me. So I appreciated the video.
Impressive talk. Liked and subscribed saw your clip with that cute Asian girl at twitch con and a few others but I dig what you do.
It’s way easier to stream 12 hours a day than work a real job for 12 hours a day lmao
Mrcooldoggy yea these kids complaining about gaming lmao
Dennis Prager's Triple Chin like bro I used to do that as a kid for fun lmao 😂😂 sounds like a dream to me
@@superBAkid it's not, I currently "work" 12 hours a day and I have gamed 12 hours, I was way more exhausted after gaming.
Because in office you don't work all the time, there is a huge chunk of time where you are just pretending to work.
Prateek Choudhary okay everyone else thinks it’s easier just because you work in an office doesn’t mean that’s the only job ever work construction even 8 hours a day I bet you’d want video games any day 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@superBAkid You are just seeing these top streamers earning millions. There are streamers who stream 8-10 hours a day with at most 100 viewers and barely making any money.
*Cough cough* They do pay streamers BUT the streamers need to maintain a certain amount of views, hours per stream. Sadly only a few select partnered streamers get this chance. You just have to know who to be friends with. I remember getting a call from a partnered streamer friend having an anxiety attack due to Twitch's favoritism. She streams regularly, maintains her numbers well but because she's not friends with any Twitch employee she is not being compensated. When she found out this girl who isn't streaming much, isn't hitting her numbers is being compensated she cried a river. As much as I love Twitch, the bias and mismanagement is too much. Mixer is bringing something fresh and a more gaming oriented platform. An escape away from those almost naked people that never get banned but is bannable according to Twitch rules.
If Mixer would give me 10$ I would stream on their platform lmao
Mixer dead though there are more streamers than there are viewers. So you get a crap load of streams with 0 views.
You got a new sub with that video. I Enjoyed it!
"I know exactly how much they make but I won't disclose that"
How do you know that? Are you their accountant? A lot of this is just arbitrary opinions presented as facts.
I know right.... no one other then a few people know what's really in these contracts.
Shroud said today he wants to work on his brand more. He also said mixer has a less toxic fan base and thinks he will get stream sniped less. I think that separation will just get further exaggerated. I tried watching some people on mixer awhile back and the quality was so bad from people streaming from their Xbox, but now that I saw Shroud and it’s better quality than Twitch I will start watching for sure.
That brand image idea of not having emotes show how mixer doesn't want any toxic chat either
Emotes and all that crap just completely ruined the community imo. Smaller streamers are way more fun to watch, because you can actually chat with them etc because the chat isn't full of autistic downs syndrome kids spamming "kappa" in chat!
Just so you know there is 3rd party emote developers for mixer. its called mixer elixir..not as good obviously but it does exist. whether or not mixer lets that stay will be up to them.
Saying thing like that you probably not a regular twitch user
@@potatopatato1565 I just understand how it can breed a toxic chat
@@jameslopez9661 thats why i say you are all talk
Do you even copy pasta chat? Shit is even more annoying than emotes. its just bunch of wall of texts.
Beside if you are watching a stream where 50k people in chat toxicity is inevitable
YOUR VIDEOS ARE INCREDIBLE!!!!
Anyone else think this guy has no idea what the deal shroud got is?
Yeah lmao
It's all speculation, who the hell really knows why he moved other than friends, family, and Shroud himself. Love that guy, one of the most talented gamers I've seen while being entertaining and engaging at the same time. Very well rounded streamer and wish him nothing but the best. Shroudy Rowdy, peek once and it's back to the lobby.
Justin Brandt I mean, people know why he done it. It may not be simple, but that doesn’t make it not obvious.
I thought this video had some interesting takes
Does this have to be 20 minutes long?
"Making a ton of money anyway" has never been an argument for anyone with a lot of money to not want more money. It doesn't hold.
I mean I think the argument isn't that money don't matter, more than Money isn't the main reason to changes to another platform. If you can make big money any way, other things become important like having more free time without worrying to lose views and subs.
Devin "click every button associated with this channel" Nash
Daniel Kelly dislike and report? Lol
@@ND-oz5lt pls no
amazing video. it would be awesome if u can expand alot of your business content from mostly to creating your own business. or talking about the economy and how new laws effect business stuff.
“That plays apex legends “... lol you even watch shroud ever or ? Lmao . That’s one of several games and is good at .
Genesis Exodus not the point.
Imagine being you
Really great content sir!