Why Homelander VS A-Train ISN’T CLOSE!

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  • @chillfrog7143
    @chillfrog7143 2 месяца назад +14479

    “Blow A-train.”🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🗣️🔥🔥

    • @Kingdlee_
      @Kingdlee_ 2 месяца назад +258

      The show is getting so unhinged now it’s great 😂

    • @r0x1cus
      @r0x1cus 2 месяца назад +59

      💀💀💀

    • @LongNguyen-xt1hx
      @LongNguyen-xt1hx Месяц назад +262

      Sex is just a spectrum right bro?

    • @r0x1cus
      @r0x1cus Месяц назад +33

      @@LongNguyen-xt1hx no thats gender; sex is your biological association.

    • @THErealMadHat048
      @THErealMadHat048 Месяц назад +115

      ​@@r0x1cusits what deep says right after

  • @commanderclown8620
    @commanderclown8620 2 месяца назад +11041

    If A-train does have a self sacrifice fight against Homelander this season I wanna see him just say fuck it and take so much V that we get to see someone actually beat the dogshit out of Homie for a minute before going down.

    • @Aspect333-w9o
      @Aspect333-w9o 2 месяца назад +603

      This.

    • @compeditor
      @compeditor 2 месяца назад +262

      Please 🙏

    • @fridgefreezer9529
      @fridgefreezer9529 2 месяца назад +703

      It's A-train last stop baby!

    • @KNullHypothesis
      @KNullHypothesis 2 месяца назад +351

      If he took that much, he'd just have a an overdose and probably another heart attack like immediately. Also there has to be a physical limitation to how much one can take and V still having an amping affect on the person.
      There are a limited number of receptors in the human body. Only so much of V can bind to so many cells before it is no longer useful to amp and instead ends up paralysing the person.
      Personally, I think A train vs Starlight is probably him at the peak of his strength. Like he literally has a stroke afterwards.
      Plus even if he was faster than Homelander, I don't think he could damage him. He gets his leg snapped in half by Kimiko who uses a metal rod. It's verbatim stated that Homelander can survive all kinds of artillery and that implied nukes as well.
      Unless A train becomes as powerful as HL somehow, there's not much chance of seeing that happen.
      Even Soldier Boy, Hughie and Butcher amped on V together couldn't jump him. It's theorised that Soldier Boy's V destroying radiation wouldn't even work, cuz V isn't just inside HL, he is fundamentally made of it and is technically the genetically perfect version of SB.
      Homelander maybe a diabolical villain, but he certainly isn't a fraud. If this happens, it's definitely to give A train some plot convenience before he dies.

    • @notabot1039
      @notabot1039 2 месяца назад +96

      @@KNullHypothesisthey weren’t amped on V. They had taken temp V.

  • @RoughTopic
    @RoughTopic 2 месяца назад +3864

    Nothing stops the A-Train baby🗣

    • @Thanoswasright_
      @Thanoswasright_ Месяц назад +36

      Bro got groupies everywhere😂

    • @bubblegumpop078
      @bubblegumpop078 Месяц назад +35

      The train is ready to leave the station 🚄🗣🗣🗣

    • @Top_Chaos_Bunny
      @Top_Chaos_Bunny Месяц назад +9

      the A-Train runs on whole grain baby, WOO!

    • @redeyes8578
      @redeyes8578 Месяц назад +6

      ​@@Top_Chaos_Bunny the Cole train he is not

    • @hughjaenus2235
      @hughjaenus2235 Месяц назад +6

      We goin back to Africa with this one 🔥🗣️

  • @chillingtonchill
    @chillingtonchill 2 месяца назад +3248

    "scales to his reaction aswell" bro couldnt dodge a single punch from Butcher or SB 💀

    • @cringegoblin5227
      @cringegoblin5227 2 месяца назад +270

      They are also relative speed to him (butcher being amped) and homelander is really just not a good fighter like a 12 year old fighting 4 year olds

    • @chillingtonchill
      @chillingtonchill 2 месяца назад +615

      @@cringegoblin5227 you dont have to be a strong fighter to dodge attacks if you're "mach 18 reaction speed". Hughie isnt relative to Mach 18 at all💀 this just proves scaling is bs and doesnt work in the boys verse, supes are as strong as the plot needs

    • @ashuprice9719
      @ashuprice9719 2 месяца назад +96

      @@chillingtonchillyeah it’s weird that in that first season he was able to save butcher which implied super speed than in cannon diabolical episode in which we see his origins he displays superspeed than when he has fight scenes no super speed is displayed. Just very inconsistent writing

    • @chillingtonchill
      @chillingtonchill 2 месяца назад +163

      @@ashuprice9719 he has super speed, but only while travelling via flying im pretty sure, A-train actually has a combat and reaction feat

    • @_Yombo
      @_Yombo Месяц назад +5

      Even though he did dodge some?

  • @Professor_Fiction
    @Professor_Fiction 2 месяца назад +6545

    Lowkey I think this is a good debate, one thing to consider is that while he’s not faster than her lasers A-Train was able to move at a comparable speed to then to make them appear slow, whereas Starlight in season 3 could tag Soldier Boy with her blasts

    • @gameuniverse5973
      @gameuniverse5973 2 месяца назад +145

      Soldier boy is not fully comparable to home lander and he can fly so this leave a train in a bigger disadvantage

    • @Popeyesqn
      @Popeyesqn 2 месяца назад +26

      He was still amped tho

    • @shardz0486
      @shardz0486 2 месяца назад +7

      Ayyyyeeeeeee! Didn't expect to see you here, man! Nice to see you, Prof. 👍

    • @omglol9571
      @omglol9571 2 месяца назад +2

      Yapp

    • @OyinkansolaAgboola
      @OyinkansolaAgboola 2 месяца назад +2

      It is nice to see you here

  • @emanstronaut
    @emanstronaut Месяц назад +105

    “Yeah he outran light but that doesn’t count” is really funny ngl

    • @panpan1287
      @panpan1287 17 дней назад +8

      I think him dodging light just kinda proves that Starlight's attacks don't move at light speed, considering they were dodged by a hypersonic character.
      Like...you'd have to be pretty dumb to actually think her attacks are that fast when all logic about the world and the characters blatantly contridicts that.

    • @Pyrodagoat
      @Pyrodagoat 16 дней назад

      Because it was an amped atrain so that feat wouldn't scale to his base

    • @ecothunderbolt257
      @ecothunderbolt257 12 дней назад

      ​@@panpan1287I think people just assume she's shooting light because her hero name is Starlight. But im certain its inaccurate. Like with Translucent. Which doesnt mean fully transparent.
      I think Starlight's power is more akin to hurling bolts of plasma.

    • @TheCosmosAwaits
      @TheCosmosAwaits 8 дней назад

      @@panpan1287But……Spiderman MCU reaction speed is the speed of light despite outside of that not showing any feats close to that? It’s just powerscaling bs but he had to be moving at around at least 30% the speed of light

    • @panpan1287
      @panpan1287 8 дней назад

      @@TheCosmosAwaits ...The fuck does the MCU have to do with this? Who the hell powerscales the MCU????

  • @Khoaho1194
    @Khoaho1194 2 месяца назад +3380

    The deep solos both of these fodders🥱🥱🥱

    • @adamixf234
      @adamixf234 Месяц назад +608

      The Peak*

    • @finixmoon127
      @finixmoon127 Месяц назад +492

      "I AM THE LORD OF THE SEVEN SEAS" 🌊🌊🌊🗣️🗣️🗣️

    • @thedude1302
      @thedude1302 Месяц назад +269

      He has enough durability to survive the deepest parts of the ocean, HE SOLOS

    • @exportedloopdeloop7112
      @exportedloopdeloop7112 Месяц назад +32

      hes trolling guys

    • @_Yombo
      @_Yombo Месяц назад +103

      ​@@exportedloopdeloop7112The sun is also hot

  • @enderfox1699
    @enderfox1699 Месяц назад +831

    Homelander once said " fastest man alive what a ***king joke" 🤣🤣

    • @manueldeltoro9944
      @manueldeltoro9944 Месяц назад +79

      He wasn't at his peak at that time, and was getting chunky

    • @iamanonmike
      @iamanonmike Месяц назад +45

      I think that was when he had heart issues.
      We haven't seen his peak with the new heart, so I think he's got a pretty good chance against Homelander.
      And even if Homelander is faster, he doesn't have a fast reaction speed like A-Train.

    • @kaceesnow
      @kaceesnow Месяц назад +43

      Homelander didn't out run the detonator. Homelander was in between the detonator and Butcher, Sheilding Butcher from the Blast.

    • @xdoubt5487
      @xdoubt5487 Месяц назад +3

      ​​@@kaceesnowdude he had to out run it. The blast was radius not a narrowed blast like in the wolverine movie when he shielded that guy in the well 😂

    • @AlphaAbyss_
      @AlphaAbyss_ Месяц назад +1

      I do think a train is just the fastest because the writers have token an effort to say that these numbers that make no sense happen all the time when they don't even understand how fast the cast are

  • @DBZ_AnimeWORLD
    @DBZ_AnimeWORLD 2 месяца назад +1170

    Objection!!!! A Train is faster , he would be able to do the same thing homelander did but easier. He was able to get to hughie and leave without homelander knowing. If homelander was faster then why was he getting punched by Soulja Boy lol

    • @bloodoftheunicorns2621
      @bloodoftheunicorns2621 2 месяца назад +30

      Yup!

    • @vjuliën
      @vjuliën 2 месяца назад +33

      This doesnt mean a-train is faster😂
      How couldve Homelander know a-train picked hughie up.😂 yall yap to much Homelander speed blitzes a-train.

    • @RyomenAyeni225
      @RyomenAyeni225 2 месяца назад +195

      @@vjuliënno he doesn’t 😭
      Homelander has been hit point blank range by regular punches, he’s also been hit by a car being thrown at him
      If it wasn’t for the plot demanding HL being the main villain he would’ve been blitzed already (by comparison A train can dodge things that are going at regular speeds, he’s easily dodged starlights blast while being on the midst of a heart attack)

    • @vjuliën
      @vjuliën 2 месяца назад +22

      @@RyomenAyeni225 didnt u remember fhe explosion that happend with butcher? Homelander was so fast he was able to save him.💀💀

    • @vjuliën
      @vjuliën 2 месяца назад

      @@RyomenAyeni225 hop on cord big boi.

  • @twistedwookie327
    @twistedwookie327 Месяц назад +71

    Don't forget that he got Blue Hawk's heart, heart attacks are unlikely to be an issue now

  • @Cyrpoe
    @Cyrpoe Месяц назад +283

    A-Train has a super heart now, so he can probably reach speeds much higher

    • @Chair991
      @Chair991 Месяц назад +30

      He had a super heart before too? wdym

    • @kaceesnow
      @kaceesnow Месяц назад +67

      Homelander didn't out run the detonator. Homelander was in between the detonator and Butcher, Sheilding Butcher from the Blast. Also if Homelander was faster, he would Raced Shock wave and A-Train just to get praise from fans.

    • @erinbutler1255
      @erinbutler1255 Месяц назад +5

      He had a super heart before lol

    • @Seans_sean
      @Seans_sean Месяц назад +16

      @@Chair991 no he had heart problems before did you even watch the show?

    • @Chair991
      @Chair991 Месяц назад +30

      @@Seans_sean He had heart problems because of his compound V abuse. He still had a super heart, since he was... you know, a supe.

  • @Paradox-es3bl
    @Paradox-es3bl 2 месяца назад +525

    I wonder if Homelander could scale to A-Train’s speed amped, even without amps. I don’t think we’ve seen his peak speed. If not, he could probably take the same amp stuff and NOT have a heart attack after lol.

    • @gameuniverse5973
      @gameuniverse5973 2 месяца назад +39

      Probably since he supposed to be above all the seven no matter what in stats

    • @iamyourworstnightmare
      @iamyourworstnightmare Месяц назад +21

      ​@iSnipCoM1he oneshotted black noir in the show.

    • @Lord_Simpwalker
      @Lord_Simpwalker Месяц назад +36

      @iSnipCoM1There isn’t going to be a Homelander clone saga, Show and Comics are wayyyyy different.

    • @monkcheese6218
      @monkcheese6218 Месяц назад +2

      Homelanders ground and reaction speed or way less than a trains sure his travel speed is fast but that doesnt matter much unless he stays in the air running away and firing lasers which is out of character

    • @ayushjoshi8667
      @ayushjoshi8667 Месяц назад +2

      I think homelander is currently taking V coz when A train looked through homie's compund V drawer, a ton of vials were missing and A train said that homelander has all the vials of V.

  • @dreamking506
    @dreamking506 Месяц назад +31

    Don't forget that A train had a heart replacement surgery thus he can use his speed freely

  • @LliamMoore
    @LliamMoore 2 месяца назад +169

    Homelander just needs to stomp once and A train will be A plane

    • @evangingerson1271
      @evangingerson1271 Месяц назад +31

      Can’t even dodge Soldier Boy. He really ain’t all that when he fights. He don’t fight in super speed like A-Train. He just speeds forward.

    • @manueldeltoro9944
      @manueldeltoro9944 Месяц назад +21

      ​@@evangingerson1271what I've noticed, he only has superspeed when flying Inna straight line

    • @kaceesnow
      @kaceesnow Месяц назад +10

      Homelander didn't out run the detonator. Homelander was in between the detonator and Butcher, Sheilding Butcher from the Blast.

    • @alesercher
      @alesercher Месяц назад +4

      @@kaceesnow How did he save Stillwell's baby then?

    • @alesercher
      @alesercher Месяц назад +4

      @@evangingerson1271 Doesn't matter. He beat Soldier Boy. Then Butcher came and he beath both Soldier Boy and Butcher. Then Hughie showed up. Still escaped from 1v3.
      Dodging attacks doesn't matter if Homelander catches A-Train just once, It's over.

  • @east2381
    @east2381 2 месяца назад +61

    we all know if a train and homelander are gonna fight (inevitably) then a train is gonna start JUICING to the max

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest Месяц назад +2

      He'd have to literally get about 40x as fast as he currently is to be faster than Homelander was in S1. There's no shot. If A-Train ever fights Homelander and is faster than him, it's dogshit writing.

    • @Influxwafer
      @Influxwafer Месяц назад

      @@wallflower1999 proof?
      you don't have any because it's false.
      You're just doing some bullshit headcanoning

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest Месяц назад

      @@wallflower1999 Soldier Boy did too, and Homelander was faster than him.

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest Месяц назад

      @@wallflower1999 Yes. Look up "Yes, Soldier Boy reacts to lightspeed".

    • @east2381
      @east2381 Месяц назад +1

      @@wallflower1999 he didnt, if ur talking about Starlights beams then he was just reacting to her hand gestures

  • @Calvin-dn7up
    @Calvin-dn7up 2 месяца назад +214

    A-Train took MM to the Hospital and came back to the Tech Knight party without Homelander even knowing.. Plus he pulled a Freight Train with a Broken leg
    Btw.. He now has a Heart from another Sup

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest Месяц назад +26

      That's just casual S4 atrocious writing. Homelander in S1 while searching for Translucent was clocked north of mach 87. A-Train amped up on V racing for his life against Shockwave was mach 1,5.
      They aren't even close in terms of speed. Homelander at 18 already made bullets look frozen in the air in Diabolical, and most bullets are around soundspeed (mach 1), with many being up to three times that.
      So Homelander at 18 was already faster (on foot) than A-Train amped up on V. A-Train knows this btw. That's why he has no delusion in hell about escaping or fighting Homelander.

    • @BlankMcIntosh
      @BlankMcIntosh Месяц назад +44

      Copy and pasting this in every comment huh​@@TheStraightestWhitest

    • @RandomFourGuy
      @RandomFourGuy Месяц назад +3

      @@TheStraightestWhitest it probably about the reaction speed. Homelander might got little reaaction speed when he doesnt flying or going full speed

    • @dongorlomi4986
      @dongorlomi4986 Месяц назад +3

      Homelander knew that A-Train wasn't there because he told Sage about how A-Train, Firecracker, and Tek Knight were missing

    • @f-entertainmentbts6850
      @f-entertainmentbts6850 Месяц назад +30

      ​@@TheStraightestWhitest He definitely was not moving at no damn Mach 87. Official statements from the wiki and the show state he's faster than an F-16 which would make him Mach 2. You could probably highball him to mach 5 even but mach 87 is absolutely ridiculous.

  • @berzerkbankie1342
    @berzerkbankie1342 Месяц назад +99

    See this can't be real and I was literally thinking about this after the last episode. In the show A-Train is able to pick someone up and run so fast with them that nobody around can even see him moving or detect that he even ran by. That has to be incredibly fast.

    • @donguieg5165
      @donguieg5165 Месяц назад +18

      yeah, he saved Hughie from Homelander(maybe he thought Hughie teleported and just left) so i don't think he is faster than A-train

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest Месяц назад +11

      @@donguieg5165 That's just casual S4 atrocious writing. Homelander in S1 while searching for Translucent was clocked north of mach 87. A-Train amped up on V racing for his life against Shockwave was mach 1,5.
      They aren't even close in terms of speed. Homelander at 18 already made bullets look frozen in the air in Diabolical, and most bullets are around soundspeed (mach 1), with many being up to three times that.
      So Homelander at 18 was already faster (on foot) than A-Train amped up on V. A-Train knows this btw. That's why he has no delusion in hell about escaping or fighting Homelander.

    • @donguieg5165
      @donguieg5165 Месяц назад +2

      @@TheStraightestWhitest i see, i don't usually do math on these, i just watch

    • @Mrikeepgettinmoneyagain
      @Mrikeepgettinmoneyagain Месяц назад +18

      @@TheStraightestWhitestcope

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest Месяц назад +1

      @@Mrikeepgettinmoneyagain Yes. You're clearly trying.

  • @walterwalker1157
    @walterwalker1157 Месяц назад +16

    If the writers wrote it that way, I would be disappointed because in most comic iterations, the speedster is a master at speed. So while a “Superman type” may be strong and fast, usually any being that is a solo master at either one would outclass the Superman type, forcing them to push themselves to meet that challenge. It’s good balance overall. They could write it where a-train has been holding back because he knew that Homelander would consider him a threat.

    • @maniacsmaxs6815
      @maniacsmaxs6815 Месяц назад +9

      The point of the show is that Homelander IS OP. No supe comes close to him which is why he is so lazy and full of himself.And why butcher feels the need to take him down at any cost.

  • @anthonyspinozzi1312
    @anthonyspinozzi1312 2 месяца назад +116

    in season 1 when the boys are in the hideout with translucent, the camera that IDs homelander flying around clocks him in at 1800km/min, or around 67000mph

    • @Sidthesexiest
      @Sidthesexiest Месяц назад +9

      He is extremely fast in the air

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest Месяц назад +24

      That's actually even faster than I had clocked him. That's mach 87. I had him around mach 55 based on the Butcher save in the finale of S1, and the fact that he'd been to space. So holy shit, he's really fast.

    • @ThatInternetGuy420
      @ThatInternetGuy420 Месяц назад +1

      As fast as the earth can orbit huh

    • @Fex97
      @Fex97 Месяц назад +13

      that's not right
      homelander was clocked at a highest of 1852 kp/hour not /min... so homelander moved at Mach 1,5 at 514 m/s while a-train moved at Mach 1,08 with 371 m/s during the race with shockwave

    • @SoulyG
      @SoulyG Месяц назад +8

      If he was that fast we wouldn't be able to see him, that's a strange error for someone wasting time calculating speeds of supes in a tv show

  • @reggielacey2235
    @reggielacey2235 2 месяца назад +330

    When your speedster is slow as hell

    • @6po6carver
      @6po6carver Месяц назад +19

      Yeah aight you think A train slow u tweaking compared to anyone else in this universe besides homelander he's top tier

    • @BlueSoulGamer
      @BlueSoulGamer Месяц назад +4

      Still naturally faster then all but one person if we’re only counting those left alive, so he’s a dangerous piece on the chessboard regardless.

    • @reggielacey2235
      @reggielacey2235 Месяц назад

      @6po6carver bro isn't even top 3

    • @reggielacey2235
      @reggielacey2235 Месяц назад

      @@BlueSoulGamer solder boy

    • @LegDayLas
      @LegDayLas Месяц назад +1

      So like every comic speedster? Flas is the worst offender. "the fastest man alive" fights new people who are aster all the time.

  • @akmalxonhojixonov6341
    @akmalxonhojixonov6341 Месяц назад +15

    Homelander might fly faster but that doesn’t mean he reacts faster. If he himself was so fast, he would literally dodge every attack of Soldier boy

    • @RsBahamasBoy1
      @RsBahamasBoy1 Месяц назад

      Exactly

    • @evanpatterson432
      @evanpatterson432 Месяц назад

      And HL has laser vision. In theory, he should be able to split anyone in half whenever he wants. Doesn't matter that A-T is fast, bc mach speed is many orders of magnitude slower than light. If HL fights someone and doesn't kill them, its either because he doesn't actually want to kill them (he wanted to have kids with Maeve for example, so he didn't kill her even though he could have), or it's bad writing.

    • @fluoriter2394
      @fluoriter2394 29 дней назад +1

      @@evanpatterson432Lil bro the one piloting the light is his eyeballs and they don’t move in light speeds💀

  • @Peaklizard
    @Peaklizard 2 месяца назад +240

    Nuke victim verse fighting is fun to watch

    • @RadicalBoiChris
      @RadicalBoiChris 2 месяца назад +40

      Homelander would solo everyone in real life, your a homelander victim

    • @manicasion736
      @manicasion736 2 месяца назад +5

      Did you watch the boys?

    • @Peaklizard
      @Peaklizard 2 месяца назад +44

      @@manicasion736 Ok name one feat which isn't just a wank, debunkable statement which is above city level

    • @ZCommander
      @ZCommander 2 месяца назад +37

      @@Peaklizardwe currently do not know if Homelander could survive a nuke.
      With wanking and statements, you can get him to mountain level. However, there is also a good chance the verse is a nuke victim.
      It isn’t the only nuke victim verse.

    • @oliyes406
      @oliyes406 2 месяца назад +7

      when they said he can survive all weapons, i don't think they meant nukes, cause how tf is vought gonna get any. so yeah homelander is a nuke victim

  • @jerrytheduck
    @jerrytheduck 2 месяца назад +90

    It's "almost" like Superman vs The Flash 💀

    • @MetalGodMasino
      @MetalGodMasino Месяц назад +45

      Expect both are the nerfed discount version from Temu

    • @CarlosSantos-ii5jg
      @CarlosSantos-ii5jg Месяц назад +36

      Hell no flash dust Superman in the comic when flash got serious

    • @gamingfevermalayalam
      @gamingfevermalayalam Месяц назад +9

      No way close...flash can time travel.

    • @ZA-7
      @ZA-7 Месяц назад +18

      Flash is the fastest, I think it's fair for A-train to be faster than homelander.

    • @tatotaytoman5934
      @tatotaytoman5934 Месяц назад +3

      Flash can move faster or at the speed of light, throwing a punch or any even light objects like a rock or something would result in gigatons of energy imparted onto the target. The flash could run with a big ish rock and throw it at a mountain to end the world basically.

  • @darkerthanblack8897
    @darkerthanblack8897 2 месяца назад +88

    If Maeve was able to pierce into Homelanders ear with a metal straw A-Train should be able to pierce it into his brain with his speed.
    We can't use logic and stuff to determine who is stronger because the whole thing of some characters is that they simply can't be beaten.

    • @vjuliën
      @vjuliën 2 месяца назад +7

      Its already multiple times stated Homelander is the strongest out of the Seven.
      Queen maeve was only able to hit him sinds he was holding back on her.😂 get ur bs together.

    • @darkerthanblack8897
      @darkerthanblack8897 2 месяца назад +36

      @@vjuliën strongest doesn't mean invincible.
      He will not be defeated because his role in the story is to not be defeated, unlike many Villains who are meant to be defeated by the protagonist to get stronger or bring the story forward.

    • @vjuliën
      @vjuliën 2 месяца назад +1

      @@darkerthanblack8897 u should delete ur comment 🤣🤣

    • @darkerthanblack8897
      @darkerthanblack8897 2 месяца назад

      @@vjuliën u should pull ur head outta ur donkey.
      All i said is we can't use common sense to determine who wins a fight or who is stronger when it's a story that is made up by humans who can simply decide what happens.
      Hell if the authors want the shrinking man from season 3 could defeat homelander😂
      Just because u don't get my point doesn't mean i should delete my comment.

    • @abrothewarrior98
      @abrothewarrior98 2 месяца назад +21

      @@vjuliënu should search your dad

  • @AramaruGS
    @AramaruGS Месяц назад +14

    You could say that A train is quicker, the way he dodged Deep's punches were smooth AF

    • @captainhostile101
      @captainhostile101 Месяц назад +1

      i dont think deep is scaling homelander in any way, home just likes to keep him around

    • @JeffreyBezeau
      @JeffreyBezeau Месяц назад +5

      @@captainhostile101 Homelander keeps Deep around because he's a good "yes man" for him, point and simple. He knows Deep would do a-ny-thing just to be in his favor, if it wasn't from that, he would have off him long time ago.

    • @ggm000
      @ggm000 11 дней назад

      ​@JeffreyBezeau tho, homelander appearently hates yes man as he said in season 4

  • @juter1122
    @juter1122 Месяц назад +17

    If A Train had a chance, he wouldn't be terrified of Homelander

    • @R1kual
      @R1kual Месяц назад +22

      I actually think it's because A-Train is so scared of Homelander that he doesn't know how strong he is!!! especially after getting that heart transplant.

    • @NRG-REC
      @NRG-REC Месяц назад +5

      ​@@R1kual basically this. The first time he'll truly realize his potential is when he steps up to homelander as the hero he's becoming rather the lackey he was before.

    • @deathsaidhello
      @deathsaidhello Месяц назад +4

      @@NRG-REC i think A-Train will be the one who has to dose Homelander, nobody else could get close enough even on a kamikaze attempt. A-Train could do it, it would cost his life, but hes the only one I see being able to do it.

  • @Breviparopus
    @Breviparopus 2 месяца назад +56

    Having light attacks doesn't mean you're reaction speed is eaqual to the speed of light. Otherwise everyone with a torch would have light speed reactions

    • @coolfella9745
      @coolfella9745 2 месяца назад +7

      That was a terrible comparison lmao

    • @Breviparopus
      @Breviparopus 2 месяца назад +16

      @@coolfella9745 its true. Just because you have light attacks doesn't mean you have speed of light reactions. This guy thinks it does

    • @ZA-7
      @ZA-7 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@coolfella9745no, its perfectly put, another example is that flash perceive speed different than others, he is not just fast, he feels everything slower and his reaction is on his speed. The problem is that generally speedsters are over the top, so they have to make them powerless for the plot.

    • @Spectral_Thief10
      @Spectral_Thief10 Месяц назад +1

      That's why Lamplighter was in the 7

    • @xxjoebamaxx7782
      @xxjoebamaxx7782 Месяц назад +2

      Starlight's beams are made of plasma too, they don't travel at light speed they're just glowy

  • @supercharlie4094
    @supercharlie4094 Месяц назад +6

    homelander vs a-train on a 1v1 would probably end up similar to when red rush fought omni-man in invincible

  • @Frawstplay
    @Frawstplay 2 месяца назад +83

    Only going by the show, but A train is able to things like open doors while traveling in speed. He blew through a body without taking any damage himself while in speed. Also when he moves we don't see him till he stops, Homelander is seen when traveling most of the time. I think he maybe faster but limited to his normal sup reaction time. Like in season one when he was searching for Translucent he was easily seen in the sky. I don't think A train could win but Homelander won't be able to catch him.

    • @HolzHause
      @HolzHause Месяц назад +7

      A-Train is constantly pushing himself, Homelander barely tries. In season 1 f16 fighters were already in route to the plane before Homelander even left Vaught tower, yet he gets there and leaves before the jets ever do

    • @Frawstplay
      @Frawstplay Месяц назад +9

      @HolzHause right, I think Homelander is faster in flight, but is still limited in his sight and reactions to his normal super level. A-Train's sight and reactions, such as opening and closing doors, is adjusted to his super speed level when using it. So he would be able to out maneuver Homelander and avoid being beaten.

  • @JimAsh-co3rp
    @JimAsh-co3rp Месяц назад +3

    "his speed scales to his combat reactions" is some intense double speak. Bro said a lot without saying anything lmao

  • @gameuniverse5973
    @gameuniverse5973 2 месяца назад +89

    A better debate is all members of the seven there ever was vs homelander I honestly think homelander still wins since there would be useless members like sister sage,firework girl,black noir replacement,and the deep but translucent,starlight,Maeve,a train,nazi girl and black noir might do it

    • @turtlefan3971
      @turtlefan3971 2 месяца назад +22

      We've already seen Ryan who is weaker than Homelander take out Stormfront, Homelander could easily break Translucent's skin, Noir was killed by Homelander, didnt struggle too much woth Maeve, held down Starlight with ease, and would only be inconvenienced by A-Train.

    • @UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap
      @UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap 2 месяца назад +33

      you're downplaying the peak. he one shot a-train after being gill punched. and a-train was able to shrug off a sucker punch from v amp'd hughie, who could stagger and partially restrain fraudlander.
      as well, a-train one tapped starlight, who scales to stormfodder.
      so maybe the peak wasn't capping in episode one afterall 😅
      Edit: season 4 episode 7 LMFAO I COOKED 🔥🔥🔥

    • @turtlefan3971
      @turtlefan3971 2 месяца назад +12

      @@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap Damn, you're right, THE PEAK S O L O S 💪🐠💪

    • @hichaeljordan963
      @hichaeljordan963 2 месяца назад +13

      I think sage with prep time could definitely beat homelander. She probably would know how to amp the virus to kill him

    • @RZO-MAX
      @RZO-MAX 2 месяца назад +14

      @@hichaeljordan963she is not batman

  • @mikie1466
    @mikie1466 Месяц назад +1

    Ashley is gonna give homelander a beat down in her hulk form. 😂

  • @R1kual
    @R1kual Месяц назад +5

    I think it's because A-Train is so scared of Homelander that he doesn't know how strong he is!!! especially after getting that heart transplant.

  • @JustAMort
    @JustAMort Месяц назад +10

    I swear, A-train with massive V can do some serious damage to hommie.
    But he’ll still lose.

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest Месяц назад

      How? He's 1/40th as fast as Homelander, LOL!

    • @JustAMort
      @JustAMort Месяц назад +1

      @@TheStraightestWhitest source?

    • @JustAMort
      @JustAMort Месяц назад +1

      @@TheStraightestWhitest oof your name describes it all

  • @Calvin-dn7up
    @Calvin-dn7up 2 месяца назад +7

    When has Homelander ever moved as fast as A-Train? Plus A-Train is Faster with his New Heart

    • @_Yombo
      @_Yombo Месяц назад +2

      He shows proof and you still ask?

    • @ZA-7
      @ZA-7 Месяц назад +10

      ​@@_Yombothere's a difference between top speed (while flying) and being absolutely fast (movement and more)

  • @gluehuffer2869
    @gluehuffer2869 Месяц назад +1

    There was parts in the show when is goes so fast he is practically teleporting, if he proper focuses he can go extremely fast

  • @lilscotty11
    @lilscotty11 Месяц назад +5

    I think that time when he saved butcher is a outlier it’s his craziest speed feat but we haven’t seen anything close to it ever again.

  • @teeseries4487
    @teeseries4487 Месяц назад +2

    I hope A Train doesn’t die now. It’s like every hero that has chosen to help ends up dead

  • @Sidthesexiest
    @Sidthesexiest Месяц назад +63

    Homelander is not faster than A-Train.

    • @_Yombo
      @_Yombo Месяц назад +2

      He just showed you proof

    • @Sidthesexiest
      @Sidthesexiest Месяц назад +18

      @@_Yombo Homelander cannot out run A Train he can fly very fast though

    • @_Yombo
      @_Yombo Месяц назад

      @@Sidthesexiest Oh, yeah

    • @NBAYoungBoyNi-
      @NBAYoungBoyNi- Месяц назад +3

      ​@@Sidthesexiest Homelander outruns fighter jets that is Mach 1.5 compared to A-Train's bare above Mach 1

    • @joshuacollins9316
      @joshuacollins9316 Месяц назад +20

      @@_Yombono he didn’t, he ignored other moments in the show, like even in the last episode with MM & the hospital, where we’ve seen A-Train move faster.
      And Homelander gets punched by regular attacks, so his reaction speed is not as fast.

  • @dark_blue8002
    @dark_blue8002 2 месяца назад +14

    Don't look up transonic with safe search off. 💀💀💀

    • @vanity4448
      @vanity4448 Месяц назад +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @SoulshadeVr101
    @SoulshadeVr101 2 месяца назад +18

    Well one thing about A train is he's actually really strong and could possibly take homlander at full strength but he's lazy though and decided to start shooting up V rather than actually train its kinda why homlander makes fun of him for being outta shape.
    He's not as durable but strength wise he could probably do some real damage to homlander

    • @ZA-7
      @ZA-7 Месяц назад +1

      There something important here, and that's the fact that A-train worked on his strength and speed, training is important

    • @CKMr309
      @CKMr309 Месяц назад +6

      Soldier boy gave Homelander a black eye, Maeve give him a bloody nose and stab him in the ear. A-Train's super strength and high speed could give Homelander a problem for a little while

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest Месяц назад +1

      @@CKMr309 How? He's 1/40th as fast as Homelander, LOL!

    • @maxshade1815
      @maxshade1815 Месяц назад +1

      @@TheStraightestWhitesty’all do realize the writers don’t powerscale every single little scene right??

    • @CKMr309
      @CKMr309 Месяц назад +3

      @@TheStraightestWhitest Soldier boy, temp V Butcher and Hughey, Queen Maeve.. None of them had super speed and did just fine. Did you forget that 🤔

  • @hoodgiyu9624
    @hoodgiyu9624 Месяц назад +1

    so Homelander wasn’t kidding when he said “ fastest man alive what a fucking joke”

  • @tommygun4752
    @tommygun4752 2 месяца назад +44

    Tell me you don’t watch the boys without telling me you havent seen the show💀🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @Muicheerio
    @Muicheerio Месяц назад +7

    Remember a-train fears homelander too

    • @YasharelYahawadah
      @YasharelYahawadah Месяц назад

      @Muicheerio He can overcome his fear of Homelander if he fully embrace he's a hero unlike Homelander. Plus, with his new Heart ❤️ he's faster with higher potential.

  • @umahnator8613
    @umahnator8613 2 месяца назад +5

    I wouldnt say it was a side effect of being at a that speed. It was the temp v abuse causing him heart problems making him weaker. So he could be alot faster now

  • @dustking_edits
    @dustking_edits Месяц назад +3

    I kinda want A train to survive the fight but at the cost of loosing his powers with would be the perfect redemption and arc for his character

  • @gladxch
    @gladxch 2 месяца назад +6

    Homelander vs A-Train is Superman vs Jay Garrick Flash (Jay is one of the slowest flash variants)

    • @Calvin-dn7up
      @Calvin-dn7up 2 месяца назад +4

      Wrong

    • @Time_Lantern_Gameplay
      @Time_Lantern_Gameplay Месяц назад +2

      Except Jay garrick tagged superman easily in comics and psyphoned his speeds

    • @markmullins8622
      @markmullins8622 Месяц назад +1

      That whole shit if Jay being so slow is something Dc has started in just the last decade. As recently as the 2005-2010 run Jay ran side by side with Black Adam and was stated to be at Mach 500 and now he's been nerfed down to only Mach 20. Silver and bronze age he was as fast as Barry but with less stamina from age

    • @YasharelYahawadah
      @YasharelYahawadah Месяц назад

      ​@@Calvin-dn7upJay doesn't have Super strength & durability like A-Train.

  • @captaincooool
    @captaincooool Месяц назад

    A Train feels like that redemption arc we've all been waiting to see from someone. His brother even said that he never saved anyone. That scene when he busted in on the fight with The Deep and Black Noir was lit.

  • @marcroth2844
    @marcroth2844 Месяц назад +3

    A-Train has better use of his speed otherwise HL would've blitzed Butcher, Soldier Boy and Mave. That explosion feat is insane but with A-Trains new heart his capabilities may be considerably higher than before

  • @TheCapitanoPlan
    @TheCapitanoPlan Месяц назад +2

    He got a New heart buddy

  • @pavy415
    @pavy415 2 месяца назад +4

    make a scene like invincible with all of them fighting homelander

  • @herkatron
    @herkatron Месяц назад

    My boy A-Train is never dying 🙏

  • @randomguy3034
    @randomguy3034 2 месяца назад +3

    Maybe A train will do so much V that hell rough up Honelander before his heart explodes

  • @Thebrightlightheros
    @Thebrightlightheros Месяц назад +2

    a train go out like a hero

  • @michaelnewman7468
    @michaelnewman7468 Месяц назад +12

    If math and physics had an impact on the plot, then Homelander wouldn't be able to shoot lasers from his eyes and fly. It doesn't make sense

    • @FloofMother
      @FloofMother Месяц назад +1

      Powerscalers when the forces of good prevail (they have less feats though)

    • @Pyrodagoat
      @Pyrodagoat 16 дней назад

      He's using them to calculate homelanders stats

  • @benjaminsoares1749
    @benjaminsoares1749 21 день назад +1

    Goku:"you seem pretty strong"

  • @danielwright1785
    @danielwright1785 2 месяца назад +3

    …the whole point is he’s a example of what would happen if you ran so fast

  • @lmb7987
    @lmb7987 Месяц назад

    Homelander mentioned that he break the the sound barrier when he was young so he's faster than A train 💯

  • @freashty
    @freashty 2 месяца назад +10

    Suspicious calc, afaik there's not really a good reason to believe that homelander was actually moving faster than the impulse of the explosion, especially since that speed would have killed Billy
    In season 3 non amped a train is able to carry Hughie off the roof faster than homelander can catch up to him
    Doing calcs based off of a live action feat seems kind of silly at its core anyway, the director is absolutely not concerned with portraying anyone in a "canon" sense in terms of the filmography

    • @BattleInfiltrator
      @BattleInfiltrator 2 месяца назад +1

      I kind of agree with your logic regarding the explosion but at the same time, wouldn’t A-Train also have killed Hughie when he saved him from Homelander?

  • @archilarkania7203
    @archilarkania7203 Месяц назад +1

    He's not faster, but he's close.

  • @haimay5767
    @haimay5767 Месяц назад +5

    I guess we all decided to forget A train received a super abled heart.

  • @NotTooShort
    @NotTooShort Месяц назад +1

    biggest is the phycological advantage.....a train is scared of homelander

  • @zelgie3013
    @zelgie3013 2 месяца назад +10

    What if a train runs fast enough to open a portal into the past and made sure homelander was never born?

    • @_Yombo
      @_Yombo Месяц назад +8

      He's nowhere near that fast

    • @gbaboy313
      @gbaboy313 Месяц назад +1

      He’d have a heart attack before he got anywhere close to that speed

    • @KaveEditz
      @KaveEditz Месяц назад +1

      bro is not the flash lmao

    • @zelgie3013
      @zelgie3013 Месяц назад

      @@KaveEditz 😂 well is a parody

  • @sheep2826
    @sheep2826 Месяц назад

    Remember that it was a big deal that Atrain received a heart transplant from Blue Hawk and having a “super abled heart” not only resolved his heart problems but could reasonably be argued enhanced his powers even more.

  • @Cipher_Paul
    @Cipher_Paul 2 месяца назад +8

    You're wrong about A-Train's speed.
    During his training we see him run around a running track in 1 second, and even less. And considering running track are standardized at 400 meters, which would put him at more than 900 mph and his brother said he was off. So his top speed is very probably in excess of 1000 mph like it was said right before his race. Which is 444.44 m/s or Mach 1.3.
    That's nowhere nearly Homelander's Mach 2 to Mach 4, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be precise.

  • @InfiniteEscuro
    @InfiniteEscuro Месяц назад +2

    I always felt like that scene of Homelander being fast enough to save Butcher was a case of the writers straight up not realising how fast that makes him. Given that his flight speed is only about 40% faster than A-Train's amped running speed, and the two actual fights we've seen him in are way slower than either thing.
    They're probably moving faster than humans, sure, but unless you also want to scale Temp-V Butcher and Hughie to being that much faster than A-Train as well, since they were fighting Homelander and not being blitz'd, I feel like it's honestly just a weird outlier.
    We see A-Train fight at speed against Kimiko, and he's clearly moving faster compared to her by enough to blitz, but Homelander is moving relative to everyone else in that scene. And I just don't think temp V allows someone to move that much faster than a Supe whose whole deal is speed.
    Unless season 4 has repeated speed scaling which makes that speed consistent, I personally feel iffy about actually including it in debates. Combat speed is almost always slower than travel speed.

    • @ttwice5260
      @ttwice5260 Месяц назад

      no, its still a feat but it scales A train since the show states he is the fastest, but either way A train cant hurt Homelander so does not matter

  • @tylerjapal5607
    @tylerjapal5607 Месяц назад +2

    Homelander being faster than A-Train makes no sense

  • @JR-sz7dw
    @JR-sz7dw Месяц назад +1

    “Why a Baby verse a Gorilla isn’t even close” - this guy

  • @quintiondurham6677
    @quintiondurham6677 2 месяца назад +7

    A train is scared of homelander

  • @STARKILLER15100
    @STARKILLER15100 Месяц назад

    It’s like explaining the concept of WiFi to a garden scale

  • @reactivist6526
    @reactivist6526 2 месяца назад +5

    if there was hancock here, he would have ripped off homelander in bits, remember, he is a S tier god

    • @Nicolos117
      @Nicolos117 2 месяца назад +7

      Is he really though? Seems like S tier glazing to me

    • @ZA-7
      @ZA-7 Месяц назад

      ​@@Nicolos117🤡

    • @Nicolos117
      @Nicolos117 Месяц назад +1

      @@ZA-7 bruh I just asked a question. Hancock doesn’t seem any more powerful than homelander and any reasonable person can admit that.

    • @ZA-7
      @ZA-7 Месяц назад

      @@Nicolos117 "seems like S tier glazing to me" 🤡🤡

    • @andrerussell5130
      @andrerussell5130 Месяц назад

      Hancock is way powerful than homelander ​@@Nicolos117

  • @daveyjones8969
    @daveyjones8969 Месяц назад

    On top of getting himself and Butcher away from the explosion, he would have had to be somewhat gentle with Butcher to keep his back or neck from breaking.
    There's also the fact Homelander could hear A Train coming from a mile away and be ready for him.

  • @decysion8011
    @decysion8011 Месяц назад +1

    It doesn't even matter if A-Train was faster. It would be like with Omni Man and Red Rush. He just couldn't inflict enough damage to severely hurt Homelander no matter what

  • @cyberhawkgames
    @cyberhawkgames Месяц назад

    Homelander wasn't faster than the explosion, he was faster than Butcher detonating the bomb.

  • @minikame2272
    @minikame2272 Месяц назад

    No amount of maths matters when a writer picks up their pen at the end of the day

  • @Jay_Tsunami_
    @Jay_Tsunami_ Месяц назад

    Homelander outpacing the explosion was more of a “plot feat” imo

  • @libragaming97
    @libragaming97 Месяц назад

    Homelanders flex is how lightly he uses his powers takes like almost no effort for him to kill someone he only has issues when it’s someone he loves especially hates

  • @aovrespawnfloor649
    @aovrespawnfloor649 Месяц назад

    "Fastest man alive, what a fucking joke"

  • @s4ndr3x98
    @s4ndr3x98 Месяц назад +1

    I would say in the first scene the 371m/s is the max he can achieve in that short distance. I think his top speed is higher if he has a long enough runway

  • @taijuutsu
    @taijuutsu Месяц назад

    The idea of Homelander on Compound V makes me want to cry.

  • @NighScaling
    @NighScaling 2 месяца назад +2

    This was funny to find out
    It makes sense, the fastest is Homelander but marketing wise the "Speedster" would sell a lot more if he was labelled the fastest

  • @daybreak1561
    @daybreak1561 Месяц назад

    This was before A-train got a new healthy heart, and in actuality he did not have a "heart attack" from running at that speed, it happened because his old heart was withering and diseased; therefore it is a solid argument to say he is much faster in s4

  • @tacomiester
    @tacomiester Месяц назад

    He also openly breaks the sound barrier when looking for translucent without breaking a sweat so even without a calc he’s way faster

  • @TheOverseerofFiction
    @TheOverseerofFiction 2 месяца назад +2

    Hopefully we’ll see this battle soon enough

  • @gamersvr6379
    @gamersvr6379 Месяц назад +1

    Tbh, I do think it's not even close, if I'm not mistaken Homelander can even fly faster than A-Train, BUT Queen Maeve vs Homelander is a fight that shouldn't even have been close either, but Maeve shoved that metal rod into Homelander's ear, and then again, if I'm also not mistaken, Homelander wasn't paying attention to her the moment she did that, had she shoved it just a little deeper, Homelander could say bye-bye to his brain. It is all reliant on the plot, A-Train could actually end up putting one hell of a fight against Homelander if the writers wanted to.

  • @noway6133
    @noway6133 Месяц назад

    DEvils advocate, he could just be outpacing the speed of butcher activating the explosives. Butcher pressing the button, and then the radio signal traveling between the micro electronics gives homelander a head start.

  • @djpeacannon8461
    @djpeacannon8461 Месяц назад

    A few big things are important when comparing the speed of these characters. For one, Homelander has said himself that he can get to space, meaning his maximum speed (while likely not trying very much due to how he is) is around escape velocity. This is higher than that calculation. Secondly, A-Train dodging Starlight's attacks is not a light-speed feat. He is clearly reacting to where she aims her hands rather than the light moving itself. The Boys is also very grounded as superhero universes go, so light speed feats are very unlikely, especially given the effects they should have in the real world.

  • @mrunique8974
    @mrunique8974 Месяц назад +2

    Homelander can only travel faster. In the case of a train he can be faster so speed goes to a train

  • @SloneStudios
    @SloneStudios Месяц назад

    It would be sick if a train ends up fighting homelander in some way and they parody that scene in justice league where flash fights superman in the speed force! Such a cool scene, it would make homelander even more bad ass

  • @conundrum60690
    @conundrum60690 Месяц назад

    He wasn’t dodging starlights lasers, he was reacting to her hand movements guiding said lazers faster than she could move them.

  • @lucjeb9254
    @lucjeb9254 Месяц назад

    the difference is that Homelander can only move that fast through flight. Meaning to match A-tains speed he has to fly forward, while A-Train can stop-and-go in an instant and has no issue changing directions at full speed

  • @SAGETAKES
    @SAGETAKES Месяц назад

    It’s crazy to me that Homelander is faster yet A-Train’s valuable for his speed. It’s like Homelander has the entire package, especially when it comes to Tek-Knight.

  • @sean2012able
    @sean2012able Месяц назад

    Thank you for this very useful information

  • @noone5451
    @noone5451 Месяц назад +1

    The only reason I was thinking A-train would live was because he's fast if he doesn't even have that he's fucked

  • @icarusunited
    @icarusunited Месяц назад

    Keep in mind A-Train actually has a proper supe heart now, that's why he couldn't keep up or be faster than homelander. Compound V pushed his heart into overdrive, but it didn't regenerate it.
    Before, his heart was a normal heart. It was like how the new supe has a super regenerative brain, but her body is a normal person body.

  • @EasyKiwi111
    @EasyKiwi111 Месяц назад +1

    I didn’t think A Train could beat Homelander in a fight, but I thought he was at least fast enough to runaway

  • @silver7knight389
    @silver7knight389 Месяц назад

    My understanding is that Homelander can generate faster speed while flying in a straight line, but he isn't capable of small distance speed and fast object manipulation, like entering a moving car, or making an origami under a second. Stuff like that

  • @ACharmedEarthling
    @ACharmedEarthling Месяц назад +1

    These conversations are unbelievably inane.
    Haven't you guys figured out yet that comic book characters have zero consistency in their abilities and how fast, strong, etc they are, simply depends on the whims of the writer and / or what the plot requires at any given point in time?

  • @Randomness662
    @Randomness662 Месяц назад

    All A-Train needs to do is cover himself in milk and he becomes immune to Homelander

  • @Learning_matriX
    @Learning_matriX Месяц назад

    Homelander casually flies supersonic