All he had to say for verity was "make a new shape out of one of the doubled up opposite shapes to complete the challenge." If he wanted to add a useful tip he could have said "do the more complex one first so you can do the rest normally and worry free afterwards"....
Advice for 1st challenge: If you have the yellow bar attendants in your 1st room then you know you don't have 2nd overload, therefore you can just sit in that room spawn killing the hydras. Saves ammo and saves time.
something to know about final enc, you can use the blue bow in collections or any other bow with the same draw time to "prep all of the glyphs". you just go ahead and shoot all of the glyphs once with the bow and with no dmg bonuses and then they will all be pretty close to one shot. this allows you to really easily get double breaks so you dont need as much people to get glyphbreaker on final :)
That is a interesting way of saying how to do 4th. For example, CST is the callout get your own shape as normal, then the easiest way to do the challenge follows. Whoever is C give both C's to the next person in the callout (S) then S gives both S's to T. T gives both T's to C. That way nothing needs to be discussed. The order is literally just shifting everyrhing one to the right. Therefore in this scenario of CST the final dissection will be TT CC SS. No need for another step just give both shapes to the person next in line.
The conditions to leave are: 1) You need 2 shapes, which your statue is not holding. 2) The outside statue has to hold the same shape combination. 3) Both shadows in your room have to be removed. Shadows are removed by receiving the shapes the other statues are holding. e.g. the S statue's shadow is removed by receiving a S. (edit to clarify: If all of these are fulfilled for all 3 players then they can leave) In your example the 3rd condition is not met as the T player never received C, so this shadow is not removed (same for the other 2).
Have you actually done the challenge/encounter? This method doesn't work as the shadows aren't cleansed - the other comment explains it in full detail.
I wish I could do that raid. My work has taken up every waking hour except for weekends. Need to watch normal raid guides then ask for sherpa somewhere.
@@seanspursss I did all the master challenge runs last night I can promise you most of lfg that leaves it for the weekend are burgers🤣 about 80% of the people we found (and we went through QUITE a few) were god awful. In all honesty it’s almost that way every week. My work schedule rotates so my days off shift forward by 1 every week. I find when I have Tuesday-Friday off I am much better off in the first 2 days in terms of finding competent players than on Friday-Monday.
@Brazzy614 master challenges are a lot different to just running the raid on normal cuz the original comment was just to do the raid not specifically master but yes for master ur gonna struggle with randoms but as long as they dont die much and know mostly what to do you can do it i carried a team through master 4th being the only one who can disect and still managed to do it in under an hour
Bungie announced it around noon eastern yesterday. I saw it through the official Destiny discord that they linked in the July 11 TWID. Should have been announced on X as well.
Why not skip phase 2? If you're doubled up why not just immediately send your double up to the right person? Genuine question, has this not been attempted?
This is not doable, and no one knows why because no one knows how Verity actually works. You see the shadows in the statue's hands ? and how they disappear ? They disappear when you recieve that shape (eg triangle room will stop seeing the circle on circle statue once triangle recieves a circle). This is what the shadows removed wipe meter refers to. You can escape if both shadows are cleansed, you're not holding a 3D that contains your room's symbol, and the outside matches the key you're trying to get out with. If you don't do a normal solve first, you won't cleanse both shadows, so you won't be able to get out.
Easier way to explain 4th challenge.. On first phase complete as normal leaving with CT-TS-CS On second phase you need to do this again to break the glass to escape. Once everyone has the correct shapes on their wall you will be able to escape, but need to do challenge shapes so you then each pass one shape to another to get your perfect shapes, SS - CC - TT Disect does not need to do this and can directly disect to the perfect shapes, SS- CC - TT 3rd phase complete as normal. CT-TS-CS or whatever your order is.
last Tuesday everyone was having an extremely hard time explaining this, but essentially what they're saying "remove shadows" is just first getting your correct shapes to break glass to escape perfect switching to the perfect challenge shapes.
What weirds me out about verity Why cant i just give both my circles to the same guy 1 after another? Like if im the circle i just bank both circles after another at the same statue?
The conditions to leave are: 1) You need 2 shapes, which your statue is not holding. 2) The outside statue has to hold the same shape combination. 3) Both shadows in your room have to be removed. Shadows are removed by receiving the shapes the other statues are holding. e.g. the S statue's shadow is removed by receiving a S. So if you are C you have to have received a S and a T at some point to leave.
The mechanic requires that everyone sends the symbols they spawned with at the beginning to everyone once before they can leave. That's the "Shadows removed" mechanic.
Went to practice challenge mode on encounter 4 in normal before doing it in master. People didn't understand how shapes work and someone kept screwing up inside. Never got it done, and the group fell apart after an hour. I get into a group doing it on master and we all know shapes/dissection and get it done first attempt. It's not hard, people just need to learn what shapes make what >.>
Man, watching these guides make it worse for me. I haven’t even tried the new raid because i feel like i haven’t fully understood anything, even after watching datto’s guide, especially since English isn’t my first language (i’m Saudi Arabian) i feel unmotivated to even try and LFG it. I get that this raid is truly unique and fun since it quite literally IS the hardest raid we’ve ever encountered, even since my D1 days, most raids are a joke, but this one is really different. Worst part is, i’m not even a bad player. I have carried multiple people in past raids (Vow and Scourge) but man, this one has me struggling to even TRY it. I really do wish i could join an LFG team and try to understand whats going on but i know im gonna get booted so, yeah. Guess i could only look at Euphony in my collections and dream lol.
The way how the 'Shadows Removed' mechanics work is that you have to recieve each symbol that isn't your own from someone else. Can't leave if you haven't removed 2. The current strategy of doubling up your shapes then passing them out fulfills that requirement by virtue.
I thought the same thing. Once you are doubled up the first time, you give your doubled shapes to the same person twice that needs them at the end. This "cleanses" you of any shapes you had at the very beginning.
Am I misunderstanding something about Verity? Like if you already talked about doing SS-TT-CC in your example, can’t the inside people just pass those shapes to the right statues? Example: player 2 and 3 both have S so they give both to statue 1. Is there a reason why you still have to give statue 1 ST first before doing SS?
You mean why there is a phase 3 instead of going straight to phase 4, or why there is a phase 1 at all? If you're asking why there is a phase 3, it is because you can't deposit two symbols at once. The second symbol overrules the first. If you're asking why there is phase 1, it's unnecessary. People do it to make the encounter more organized, since it's easy to mess-up communication. If you're wondering if there is any other way to do it that will require a lesser amount of shape swaps, in almost every case, yes. The deal is that you need a minimum amount of swaps for the encounter to progress. The true goal of Verity is to save 24 Guardians, so if everyone inside swaps shapes only once, the Witness won't recognize you, and the encounter won't continue.
As much as the title is a grind and hard to get. I still think it’s by far the weakest raid title name next to dream warrior just the name of the title name alone kinda sucks already. How are you gonna one up against *KINGS SLAYER* *DISCIPLE SLAYER* *GODSLAYER* *SHADOW* and *FATEBREAKER* I just wish they could’ve come up with a better name for the title
Iconoclast is actually an amazing title. It’s a person who rejects a certain belief. We reject The Witnesses belief of the perfect shape. I think it’s badass and unique
I still need to get an all clan clear in crotas end for my swordbearer title then im done. Tbh i kinda hate ppl who raid salvation edge. They will fuck up a mechanic worse then you 100x and you wont say shit but then bitch at you if you mess up once. i want to remove everyone of these fuckers before loot. Also another good one is when they ask you why your dmg is so low on witness when you died to someone goomba stomping you during a jump or body blocking you from getting away from the blast. Even though dmg isnt the problem and you were top or 2nd dmg every other attempt leading up to this one. Yet they call you out. Its almost as bad as in ron ppl asking why im using grand overture (and top dmg by a mile) on nez instead of lament. Kids need therapy. They take their child abuse in raids and fuck up my fun just to be toxic. Makes me not want to even try these challenges.
I wish the title was something cooler than "iconoclast". It sounds very non threatening lol Edit: Yall giving definitions like you've ever seen the word used in real life before 🙂. Iconoclast is a person who destroys religious symbols and icons - it's in the name. That's how the word is used
Sorry datto, this is not a very good guide video. You missed a lot of tips and tricks for the first 3 encounters and just pasted in the verity explanation from your other video. Some examples: In first encounter, killing the overload Minotaur sets the starting plate room, with the ending plate always being the next in the direction the rooms were opening. This means you can type them in chat. On the 2nd round, whichever team isn’t killing the overload can go back to the other set of plates. In 2nd encounter, you can get more time by having everyone pickup as normal, except left where the closer only picks up 1 then waits for the other sides to come and pick up the extras. In 3rd encounter the resonance spawn points are deterministic, so if you’re having trouble you can assign exactly which resonance each person will pick up. Then there’s a lot of tips for master specifically, which most people will want to do for the title.
Finally, I can get the title. (I’ve never done the raid)
i only need 2 triumphs. (i know encounters 1-3 but i was so completely lost in encounter 4 i haven’t tried to beat it again since week 1.)
I smell a BOT phhh
@@nick50prinCe pussy in bio or whatever they say
Me too (the last raid i did was scourge)
😂
fitting that the encounter that took up half of the raid guide would also take up half of the challenge guide
All he had to say for verity was "make a new shape out of one of the doubled up opposite shapes to complete the challenge." If he wanted to add a useful tip he could have said "do the more complex one first so you can do the rest normally and worry free afterwards"....
@@davidgabrieltaylori’m trying to figure out what you mean by this, can you explain more as to how the challenge works, yes i watched the video
I love how the first 3 encounters have maybe a minute dedicated to each and then verity challenges comes barging in at a whopping 10+ min
Advice for 1st challenge:
If you have the yellow bar attendants in your 1st room then you know you don't have 2nd overload, therefore you can just sit in that room spawn killing the hydras. Saves ammo and saves time.
You sit in the 2nd room not 1st since there's a minotaur that has to die in the 2nd room so a hydra spawns for them.
@@MusssabMwrong
@@hunts2782 What is?
@@MusssabM he’s right you are wrong. We sat in first room and it worked. They don’t need to kill hydras, as your team doesn’t need to progress.
@@rastaraptor6619 Ok cool. Well it doesn't matter now since I did it twice waiting in the 2nd room.
Salvation's edge title is a pretty cool accomplishment as is, but imagine how big of a flex it would be if flawless was required.
I wish they kept those in. Still pissed to this today Bungie removed that requirement from Enlightened.
Imagine how big of a flex it would be if the title was called legend. Still upset we never got a legend title sorry
@@mcmilleee6279 iconoclast has more drip
Yes for bringing flawless titles back. At leas you still get the rr tag.
@@yol_n Iconoclast makes more sense considering who we're fighting. But legend is deff better
It would be a flex to me if you had to solo the witness
i always find it so funny how every time theres any kind of full raid guide for SE, 80% of the video takes place in verity
That is the most datto styled thumbnail and it's beautiful
This video should be renamed "How to do the Verity Challenge, and I guess the others too"
I CAN BECOME THE SWEATIEST SWEATLORD TO EXIST WITH THIS TITLE.
something to know about final enc, you can use the blue bow in collections or any other bow with the same draw time to "prep all of the glyphs". you just go ahead and shoot all of the glyphs once with the bow and with no dmg bonuses and then they will all be pretty close to one shot. this allows you to really easily get double breaks so you dont need as much people to get glyphbreaker on final :)
no need to do that. People just need to know how to run. Keep it simple
That is a interesting way of saying how to do 4th. For example, CST is the callout get your own shape as normal, then the easiest way to do the challenge follows. Whoever is C give both C's to the next person in the callout (S) then S gives both S's to T. T gives both T's to C. That way nothing needs to be discussed. The order is literally just shifting everyrhing one to the right. Therefore in this scenario of CST the final dissection will be TT CC SS. No need for another step just give both shapes to the person next in line.
The conditions to leave are: 1) You need 2 shapes, which your statue is not holding. 2) The outside statue has to hold the same shape combination. 3) Both shadows in your room have to be removed. Shadows are removed by receiving the shapes the other statues are holding. e.g. the S statue's shadow is removed by receiving a S.
(edit to clarify: If all of these are fulfilled for all 3 players then they can leave)
In your example the 3rd condition is not met as the T player never received C, so this shadow is not removed (same for the other 2).
Have you actually done the challenge/encounter? This method doesn't work as the shadows aren't cleansed - the other comment explains it in full detail.
I wish I could do that raid. My work has taken up every waking hour except for weekends. Need to watch normal raid guides then ask for sherpa somewhere.
Weekends is more than enough time to raid i hope someone teaches you its very fun
@@seanspursssproblem is most competent teams have already done it during the week so only burgers are left on the weekends.
@@Brazzy614 or ppl who have work leave it till the weekend
@@seanspursss I did all the master challenge runs last night I can promise you most of lfg that leaves it for the weekend are burgers🤣 about 80% of the people we found (and we went through QUITE a few) were god awful. In all honesty it’s almost that way every week. My work schedule rotates so my days off shift forward by 1 every week. I find when I have Tuesday-Friday off I am much better off in the first 2 days in terms of finding competent players than on Friday-Monday.
@Brazzy614 master challenges are a lot different to just running the raid on normal cuz the original comment was just to do the raid not specifically master but yes for master ur gonna struggle with randoms but as long as they dont die much and know mostly what to do you can do it i carried a team through master 4th being the only one who can disect and still managed to do it in under an hour
Finally I can do the challenges! (I haven’t played d2 in years)
Now I know what to do. Thanks datto… now I just need friends!
where did you hear all challenges are available til august 5th? i can only find info saying its a single week
Bungie announced it around noon eastern yesterday. I saw it through the official Destiny discord that they linked in the July 11 TWID. Should have been announced on X as well.
Why not skip phase 2? If you're doubled up why not just immediately send your double up to the right person? Genuine question, has this not been attempted?
This is not doable, and no one knows why because no one knows how Verity actually works. You see the shadows in the statue's hands ? and how they disappear ? They disappear when you recieve that shape (eg triangle room will stop seeing the circle on circle statue once triangle recieves a circle). This is what the shadows removed wipe meter refers to. You can escape if both shadows are cleansed, you're not holding a 3D that contains your room's symbol, and the outside matches the key you're trying to get out with.
If you don't do a normal solve first, you won't cleanse both shadows, so you won't be able to get out.
And as with every guide that has anything to do with SE, Verity takes up 70% of the runtime
Is the master version of the raid just harder? Or is there different mechanics?
Just harder with more champs
no its 10x easier
@@andrew1250 cap
Funny to see the segments on YT
4th encounter is as long as all other encounters combined😅
Easier way to explain 4th challenge..
On first phase complete as normal leaving with CT-TS-CS
On second phase you need to do this again to break the glass to escape. Once everyone has the correct shapes on their wall you will be able to escape, but need to do challenge shapes so you then each pass one shape to another to get your perfect shapes, SS - CC - TT
Disect does not need to do this and can directly disect to the perfect shapes, SS- CC - TT
3rd phase complete as normal. CT-TS-CS or whatever your order is.
last Tuesday everyone was having an extremely hard time explaining this, but essentially what they're saying "remove shadows" is just first getting your correct shapes to break glass to escape perfect switching to the perfect challenge shapes.
You could cheese it by having someone break 2-3 glyphs at once
Man I wish this was happening AFTER I go camping instead of while I'm packing for it
What weirds me out about verity
Why cant i just give both my circles to the same guy 1 after another?
Like if im the circle i just bank both circles after another at the same statue?
The conditions to leave are: 1) You need 2 shapes, which your statue is not holding. 2) The outside statue has to hold the same shape combination. 3) Both shadows in your room have to be removed. Shadows are removed by receiving the shapes the other statues are holding. e.g. the S statue's shadow is removed by receiving a S.
So if you are C you have to have received a S and a T at some point to leave.
The mechanic requires that everyone sends the symbols they spawned with at the beginning to everyone once before they can leave. That's the "Shadows removed" mechanic.
Time for me to learn how to do this, (i have no plan to ever do this, and will never do it)
Let me get this straight you can't do any of the static truimps unless the challenges are up??
Went to practice challenge mode on encounter 4 in normal before doing it in master.
People didn't understand how shapes work and someone kept screwing up inside. Never got it done, and the group fell apart after an hour.
I get into a group doing it on master and we all know shapes/dissection and get it done first attempt.
It's not hard, people just need to learn what shapes make what >.>
Hey datto in order to get adept weapons do you need to complete the challenges or can you just run the master mode of the raid?
Need to complete the challenge, encounter chests drop regular loot with ascendant prisms.
for the title do the challanges have to be done on master?
yes. There's a triumph for each challenge as well as a triumph for doing all challenges *on master*
Man the 4th encounter is not shown with a example from a normal start to finish
Can’t believe the raid title wasn’t “Legend”
Good thing I don’t have internet for the next 2 weeks…
I scenic route one my group did accidentally on our first run ever
Verity challenge broke our raid team...
So in verity you only have to do the challenge in one cycle and not the whole encounter
the challenge is to never use the same end shape twice in a row so it applies to the entire encounter
@@StreetSeraphim bruh that’s the complete opposite of the video
I never came this early before
I find that hard to believe
As a destiny player ik this isnt true
Yoo It's Datto
how much iq is needed for verity triumph and challenge?
How do I actually get access to the raid?
Own the Final Shape and complete the campaign.
Rad!
Man, watching these guides make it worse for me. I haven’t even tried the new raid because i feel like i haven’t fully understood anything, even after watching datto’s guide, especially since English isn’t my first language (i’m Saudi Arabian) i feel unmotivated to even try and LFG it. I get that this raid is truly unique and fun since it quite literally IS the hardest raid we’ve ever encountered, even since my D1 days, most raids are a joke, but this one is really different. Worst part is, i’m not even a bad player. I have carried multiple people in past raids (Vow and Scourge) but man, this one has me struggling to even TRY it. I really do wish i could join an LFG team and try to understand whats going on but i know im gonna get booted so, yeah. Guess i could only look at Euphony in my collections and dream lol.
Go on lfg and ask for teaching. I swear there are clans and people who are super patient and nice.
9:39 at phase 2 can't we just give both simbols to the same statue instead? Is there anything that prevents it
The way how the 'Shadows Removed' mechanics work is that you have to recieve each symbol that isn't your own from someone else. Can't leave if you haven't removed 2.
The current strategy of doubling up your shapes then passing them out fulfills that requirement by virtue.
I thought the same thing. Once you are doubled up the first time, you give your doubled shapes to the same person twice that needs them at the end. This "cleanses" you of any shapes you had at the very beginning.
Am I misunderstanding something about Verity? Like if you already talked about doing SS-TT-CC in your example, can’t the inside people just pass those shapes to the right statues? Example: player 2 and 3 both have S so they give both to statue 1. Is there a reason why you still have to give statue 1 ST first before doing SS?
You mean why there is a phase 3 instead of going straight to phase 4, or why there is a phase 1 at all?
If you're asking why there is a phase 3, it is because you can't deposit two symbols at once. The second symbol overrules the first.
If you're asking why there is phase 1, it's unnecessary. People do it to make the encounter more organized, since it's easy to mess-up communication.
If you're wondering if there is any other way to do it that will require a lesser amount of shape swaps, in almost every case, yes. The deal is that you need a minimum amount of swaps for the encounter to progress. The true goal of Verity is to save 24 Guardians, so if everyone inside swaps shapes only once, the Witness won't recognize you, and the encounter won't continue.
Shadows removed require that everyone sends at least one symbol to each person regardless.
Not making the title Salivating Edger feels like a missed opportunity
As much as the title is a grind and hard to get. I still think it’s by far the weakest raid title name next to dream warrior just the name of the title name alone kinda sucks already. How are you gonna one up against *KINGS SLAYER* *DISCIPLE SLAYER* *GODSLAYER* *SHADOW* and *FATEBREAKER* I just wish they could’ve come up with a better name for the title
Iconoclast is actually an amazing title. It’s a person who rejects a certain belief. We reject The Witnesses belief of the perfect shape. I think it’s badass and unique
nah its awesome and one of the best titles in the game. Cope harder bro
@@andrew1250 if anyone is coping it’s clearly you lmfao 💀💀💀
@@KalvinKoolAidKoolyoure clearly a stupid kid, the title goes even harder than godslayer
Where's the datto raid guide music?????? I guess this is for challenges... hm..
i watched u edit this (second)
I got the title but will still watch because datto the goat
What’s your Bungie name
@@CruzPT1 why
@@simpleeasyartworks1361 I wanna see your raid report so I can see how long it took
@@simpleeasyartworks1361He thinks you're lying and wants to check on you to feel better about himself.
@@CruzPT1why are you such a virgin
I still need to get an all clan clear in crotas end for my swordbearer title then im done. Tbh i kinda hate ppl who raid salvation edge. They will fuck up a mechanic worse then you 100x and you wont say shit but then bitch at you if you mess up once. i want to remove everyone of these fuckers before loot.
Also another good one is when they ask you why your dmg is so low on witness when you died to someone goomba stomping you during a jump or body blocking you from getting away from the blast. Even though dmg isnt the problem and you were top or 2nd dmg every other attempt leading up to this one. Yet they call you out. Its almost as bad as in ron ppl asking why im using grand overture (and top dmg by a mile) on nez instead of lament.
Kids need therapy. They take their child abuse in raids and fuck up my fun just to be toxic. Makes me not want to even try these challenges.
Damn anyone willing to sherpa
so in verity challenge why wouldnt you just send both of your shapes to the correct person right away after doubling up
for the SSCCTT version of the run, adding an extra swap step seems kinda dumb
I wish the title was something cooler than "iconoclast". It sounds very non threatening lol
Edit: Yall giving definitions like you've ever seen the word used in real life before 🙂. Iconoclast is a person who destroys religious symbols and icons - it's in the name. That's how the word is used
Iconoclast, noun. “One who attacks another’s deeply held beliefs or institutions, usually of the religious variety.”
The definitions all basically boil down to “one who defies god”. Pretty fitting IMO.
I guess it's pretty cool if you're a Protestant.
@@war.v27 This is a massive stretch. They don't mean that. The word you're looking for is apostasy, not iconoclasm.
People are giving you definitions to show you that the word is fitting to the raid and the story behind it.
Sorry datto, this is not a very good guide video. You missed a lot of tips and tricks for the first 3 encounters and just pasted in the verity explanation from your other video. Some examples:
In first encounter, killing the overload Minotaur sets the starting plate room, with the ending plate always being the next in the direction the rooms were opening. This means you can type them in chat. On the 2nd round, whichever team isn’t killing the overload can go back to the other set of plates.
In 2nd encounter, you can get more time by having everyone pickup as normal, except left where the closer only picks up 1 then waits for the other sides to come and pick up the extras.
In 3rd encounter the resonance spawn points are deterministic, so if you’re having trouble you can assign exactly which resonance each person will pick up.
Then there’s a lot of tips for master specifically, which most people will want to do for the title.
make your own guide then
Ive done every raid flawless now and have 0 raid titles cause my clan dont raid.
These challenges are beyond easy. Bungie really needs to step it up.
Did you do them on Master?
FIRST AHAHA
Raid is mid
This raid is so unfun to play. On the first run or the 69th run, it’s simply not enjoyable
Agreed. As a bad player I don’t enjoy activities that are difficult.
literal skill issue
☠️
Its so fun wdym whats so unfun about it
@@jackasper782get good then the raid is very fun