I’d like that, but considering they don’t even want anti barrier to work with conditional finality, and the exotic stasis scout, they aren’t gonna let us have an all in one champion weapon.
@@alexcox9400Honestly it’ll still be so niche afterwards I doubt it would change the meta in any meaningful way, however I agree that bungie probably wouldn’t do that.
I appreciate you putting a summarization in the thumbnail, it makes me feel a bit more respected in a world of clickbait and viewer retention optimizing
I've also been rocking this in onslaught and had a lot of fun, looking to get a velocity baton with attrition orbs to also slap on the loadout to fully overkill on super generation
The Bad Juju glowup is insane. I only wish they'd replace the hip-fire grip perk explanation (keep it baked into the gun) with a perk explaining the explosions. Seems a bit silly now to not talk about such an obvious feature.
Get 3 kills without manually reloading the weapon for the explosion, this INCLUDES the explosion so you can get 3 kills, the explosion kills another (4) so now you only need 2 more kills for the next explosion.
They all laughed at me when I was pumping up Juju on other vids. Look who's laughing now. "Lol Outbreak is better". Sure, if you need to lay into enemies more often and you constantly hit crits. Juju is THE gun for mobs of less tanky enemies to spam your super and prizzy. It's not like you can't just hot swap in most activities anyways. 4:09 literally just like Huck vs Tarrabah.
Lucky pants do be feeling way better too now, the damage loss suck a bit but the quality of life changes are a godsend. And the recent change to heavy burst hand cannon precision damage makes it feel closer to before.
big juju fan here, i'm pretty sure the original easter egg explosion is different than the explosions it triggers now every 3 kills, at the very least they have different sounds effects. the 145 kill explosion has this high pitched sound when it goes off while the 3 kill one doesn't. not sure how damage/radius is changed if it all, i'm assuming it is though
I'm running Fighting Lion on my osmio prismatic warlock setup and it's going great! Lots of auto reloads from the lion when hitting grenade effected targets, volatile chain shatters whatever group of enemies I throw my grenade at. 8 Trancendence activations is 10 waves. Since each enemy is shattering, and volatile, getting lots of energy back.
After a few more buffs every exotic gun/armor will be somewhat usefull now. We went from majority to a few. I do wish some exotics stop restricting us to use a certain super on prismatic though. This restrcition isn't even on the Blastweave Striders. I fear to one day wake up and see *While you have a solar super equipped, Consecration's second slam creates a cyclone of flame.*
fighting lion on gyrfalcons is super fun, as a bonus impacts get the chain going with stylish ex. and then u have volatile on splash damage too aka constant big booms and invis
I always ran FL on gryfalcons, its basically like having a primary ammo salvagers salvo. Now with the buffs it can self proc stylish without needing to dodge for invis, making it slot way smoother into the build.
I think a way to push Chap and Duality into the hands of more guardians, is have it be to where when either of their buffs are active at max capacity (Roadborn or On Black Wings x3), have precision slug kills refund ammo directly into the mag. Or maybe into the mag for Duality, but just ammo refund that has to be reloaded for Chaperone (Since Duality has more setup and a full mag reload anyways). I think that way these would allow guardians to play into the shotgun primary fantasy a lot more, while not pushing them too far over the limit. Duality would essentially have no change in PVP as well, though I am interested to see how Chap would balance out with this. Hopefully the having to reload would make it to where infinite ammo shotgunning wouldn’t be too possible
Huckleberry continues to be an absolute workhorse. It feels so good when you get it going on a bunch of weaker enemies. Use it in Gambit and slay the fuck out.
bad juju and skull buffs feel like D1Y1 nova bomb cooldowns. Outside of prism rime coat, this is my favorite build right now. They absolutely cooked with these particular buffs
I think it's fun that you can basically freely swap between the two depending on how hard the content you're doing is. Juju falls off pretty hard in something like GMs or the later waves of reg and especially expert Onslaught, but they're both kinetic pulse rifles that charge your super crazy fast as a result of either perks or raw primary damage output, so you can literally just set up one build and use whichever one fits the content you're in.
I like symmetry for pvp now, it lacks aim assist (which tbh is a problem on 260 rpm scouts in general, it feels like bungie doesn't know which range they want you to use them at) but the "on kill" effect makes it more forgiving if you get a bodyshot kill
I feel like manticore is still the best peacekeepers exotic, it gets a damage buff from the catalyst that stacks with pks, from the same catalyst it also gets the new buffed overshield and auto-reloading, and it being void means in addition to the overshield synergising with sentinel you can also take advantage of the volatile rounds fragments on void or prismatic.
@nerfycat8429 Hey I liked using manticore on prismatic hunter as my first build with the exotic class item. It's not that different than heat rises warlock builds
Duality should just be reworked to keep it a hip fire shotgun and convert to a special ammo scout rifle for ADS. Without an ammo buff it's just never worth the time/risk in PVE.
One buff for symmetry that would be nice it if it had a time return on kills and hits like tarrabah. Also make the neutral game for the gun a bit more fun
Yeah, I like how hunters have an exotic specifically for handcannons, sidearms, and bows Titans have rockets, autorifles and machine guns, and submachine guns Warlocks have ????
@@kky7346 weapons of sorrow like the other guy said and rain of fire for fusions, a pulse one would be cool though. also i think titans have shotguns as well, i'd like a sniper one for hunters
I gave Huckleberry/Tarrabah with Peacekeepers a go when Lightblade was the nightfall, and while that was clearly a bad choice overall because being anywhere near most engagements with that kind of setup is a death sentence, it was pretty fun! Kinetic Tremors procing Huckleberry's on kill reload felt great, blasting one big guy and keeping the pressure on him while the ads around him die and give me more super high damage shots. Tarrabah did Tarrabah things, nothing to complain about there and it did feel really strong being able to just lay into something with so much extra damage at max damage boost stacks, though it's a shame the reload isn't fast enough to maintain max damage
"I'm not sure how important kinetic tremors is for the state of kinetic weapons" I think kinetic tremors should stun barriers. We are super dependent on the seasonal artifact for barrier stuns since there is currently no chill clip or voltshot or jolting feedback for barriers. Stunning with KT would take some skill because you would need to time it just right for the tremors to proc right as the barrier is going up
Get one with discord. Once you get the rythem of 'kill with one weapon, switch to shotgun for 5 seconds, switch back' you become a murder machine. My legit good roll was a solar 'discord/subsistence'. When the perk is active, infinite ammo and no reloads' Bosses are the exception, of course, but there have to be limits on it. The newer arc shotty with discord/voltshot hits hard on mobs as well.
Huckleberry getting a buff when it didnt need one is cool but like sub machine guns as a WHOLE suck. Huckleberry was like the #1 sub to use if you were going to use one so I dont really see the point here
You could make the same argument for Necrotic Grips with Thorn or Bad Juju. Only Warlocks can boost them to that level. Sweet Business and Acturis Rig for Titans. There are a few like that.
Hot take, mida multitool should be like hard light, but instead of elements, it cycles between each of the champion modifiers.
Dude that's a fun idea. I'm surprised I've never seen anyone else suggest this.
I’d like that, but considering they don’t even want anti barrier to work with conditional finality, and the exotic stasis scout, they aren’t gonna let us have an all in one champion weapon.
@@alexcox9400It's a 200 scout. I don't think bungie's gonna care
@@alexcox9400Honestly it’ll still be so niche afterwards I doubt it would change the meta in any meaningful way, however I agree that bungie probably wouldn’t do that.
@@revolvingzyclon6901they care with a 180. it’s only 20 rpm
I appreciate you putting a summarization in the thumbnail, it makes me feel a bit more respected in a world of clickbait and viewer retention optimizing
It might not be the outright best, but Bad Juju, skull and 400 nova bombs is the most fun I've had in quite a few seasons
I've also been rocking this in onslaught and had a lot of fun, looking to get a velocity baton with attrition orbs to also slap on the loadout to fully overkill on super generation
Throwback to the D1 Energy Drain Voidlock build
It feels good to be using Huckleberry again. I'm close to 100k kills on my original one.
Tbh it never was bad, the buff together with the peacekeeper buff just made people realize that the weapon actually exist
They didn't call it the fucklberry for nothing
huck enjoyers rise up
@@Jereb343They need an adult youtube.
So less juvenile comments hopefully.
Using any gun that much is brain rot
Holy cute, Brim just hugging you during the Huckleberry part.
The Juj and Skull combo is so much fun to play with. Even mindlessly playing strikes you're out there slingin' Novas like Oprah.
0:49 there was a Tweet from them that the hip fire shot was supposed to be only nerfed while a dev cag is on the target not in general use
The Bad Juju glowup is insane. I only wish they'd replace the hip-fire grip perk explanation (keep it baked into the gun) with a perk explaining the explosions. Seems a bit silly now to not talk about such an obvious feature.
Get 3 kills without manually reloading the weapon for the explosion, this INCLUDES the explosion so you can get 3 kills, the explosion kills another (4) so now you only need 2 more kills for the next explosion.
Prospector is a LOT of fun, but its VERY easy to accidentally blow yourself up as is natural with most explosives
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His dog sleeping on him in the clips oh my god 😭💕
They all laughed at me when I was pumping up Juju on other vids. Look who's laughing now.
"Lol Outbreak is better". Sure, if you need to lay into enemies more often and you constantly hit crits. Juju is THE gun for mobs of less tanky enemies to spam your super and prizzy. It's not like you can't just hot swap in most activities anyways.
4:09 literally just like Huck vs Tarrabah.
Lucky pants do be feeling way better too now, the damage loss suck a bit but the quality of life changes are a godsend. And the recent change to heavy burst hand cannon precision damage makes it feel closer to before.
big juju fan here, i'm pretty sure the original easter egg explosion is different than the explosions it triggers now every 3 kills, at the very least they have different sounds effects. the 145 kill explosion has this high pitched sound when it goes off while the 3 kill one doesn't. not sure how damage/radius is changed if it all, i'm assuming it is though
Bad Juju is actually kill based with no timer between kills! its 3 kills, and kills with the explosion can trigger the explosion again
Last Word kept the 30% damage buff for PVE. Paired with Lucky pants is a beast.
I've been using the hell out of chaperone this season because of anti-barrier shotguns and the scaling damage feels very nice
one day prospector will have its time in the sun but i feel like darci will beat it to it
I'm running Fighting Lion on my osmio prismatic warlock setup and it's going great!
Lots of auto reloads from the lion when hitting grenade effected targets, volatile chain shatters whatever group of enemies I throw my grenade at.
8 Trancendence activations is 10 waves. Since each enemy is shattering, and volatile, getting lots of energy back.
After a few more buffs every exotic gun/armor will be somewhat usefull now. We went from majority to a few.
I do wish some exotics stop restricting us to use a certain super on prismatic though. This restrcition isn't even on the Blastweave Striders. I fear to one day wake up and see *While you have a solar super equipped, Consecration's second slam creates a cyclone of flame.*
fighting lion on gyrfalcons is super fun, as a bonus impacts get the chain going with stylish ex. and then u have volatile on splash damage too aka constant big booms and invis
I always ran FL on gryfalcons, its basically like having a primary ammo salvagers salvo. Now with the buffs it can self proc stylish without needing to dodge for invis, making it slot way smoother into the build.
@@LambentV exactlyyy
I think a way to push Chap and Duality into the hands of more guardians, is have it be to where when either of their buffs are active at max capacity (Roadborn or On Black Wings x3), have precision slug kills refund ammo directly into the mag. Or maybe into the mag for Duality, but just ammo refund that has to be reloaded for Chaperone (Since Duality has more setup and a full mag reload anyways). I think that way these would allow guardians to play into the shotgun primary fantasy a lot more, while not pushing them too far over the limit. Duality would essentially have no change in PVP as well, though I am interested to see how Chap would balance out with this. Hopefully the having to reload would make it to where infinite ammo shotgunning wouldn’t be too possible
I bet that Chaperone just got buffed because some dev watched Jez videos and got tilted by Jez using it for DPS.
Huckleberry continues to be an absolute workhorse. It feels so good when you get it going on a bunch of weaker enemies. Use it in Gambit and slay the fuck out.
you'll always pass my vibe check dad
Bad juju also got its mag raised, it’s so good now, also the explosion cooldown after some testing seems to be random.
bad juju and skull buffs feel like D1Y1 nova bomb cooldowns. Outside of prism rime coat, this is my favorite build right now. They absolutely cooked with these particular buffs
Bad juju feels fantastic right now and Huckleberry is fire. Also last word slaps in PVE❤
Ex Diris got the buffs it so definitely needed. My Mothkeeper/Diris builds got so much better, it made soloing dungeons so much easier
Lost signal, maahes HC4 w/ repulsor brace/destab rounds, edge transit w/ envious and b&s paired with briarbinds is GOD
Been doing a lot of sanguine alchemy with parasite as well as raiju’s harness stuff; super fun!
Im loving Fighting Lion change. Not leaving my inventory
Sneaking in symmetry in the thumbnail. I see you Datto, keep pushing the agenda 🙏🙏
Can't believe you just waved off prospector like that, it's super good now for boss dps
I’ve been enjoying Bad Juju with Skull so much. Haven’t tried on Void yet since Prismatic is so good
Just want to point out that The prospector got a full rework and still has full auto as it's perk.
Badjuju + Orpheus Rig + Deadfall = 50 wave onslaught
bad juju is so good, better than outbreak imo
I think it's fun that you can basically freely swap between the two depending on how hard the content you're doing is. Juju falls off pretty hard in something like GMs or the later waves of reg and especially expert Onslaught, but they're both kinetic pulse rifles that charge your super crazy fast as a result of either perks or raw primary damage output, so you can literally just set up one build and use whichever one fits the content you're in.
They have completely different uses honestly, but outbreak still does more overall work with zero building into it.
When it comes to smgs, I still prefer the legendary versions, especially the Title, to synergize with my builds
I like symmetry for pvp now, it lacks aim assist (which tbh is a problem on 260 rpm scouts in general, it feels like bungie doesn't know which range they want you to use them at) but the "on kill" effect makes it more forgiving if you get a bodyshot kill
note that ex diris didnt even get its dmg buff so itll be even better when it gets fixed
Prospector is absolutely melting stuff, I’ve been using it on everything and out damaging the whole team most of the time.
I really love prospector after its rework. It finally feels usable and good
Same, I've been using in as my heavy in Onslaught and it feels amazing.
Back to back datto videos? I thought Christmas wasn't for another two months
Although it was accidental and still isn't all that practical, last word is pretty fun right now
I think Symmetry's alternative fire should extend it's duration on kills
You can no longer send yourself to space with Prospector. 0/10 Exotic.
Ex Diris also didn’t get its listed dmg buff that Bungie listed
using symmetry so far. haven’t ever really used it before. feels really good
It would be cool if tarrabah had rewind rounds for extra boss damage
I feel like manticore is still the best peacekeepers exotic, it gets a damage buff from the catalyst that stacks with pks, from the same catalyst it also gets the new buffed overshield and auto-reloading, and it being void means in addition to the overshield synergising with sentinel you can also take advantage of the volatile rounds fragments on void or prismatic.
Yeah but then you have to use Manticore
@nerfycat8429 Hey I liked using manticore on prismatic hunter as my first build with the exotic class item.
It's not that different than heat rises warlock builds
yep was using huckleberry at first, but have switched to manticore with a cascade point smg on prismatic and its been very fun!
I think getting the solar resist when every you charge up the beast meter
Duality should just be reworked to keep it a hip fire shotgun and convert to a special ammo scout rifle for ADS. Without an ammo buff it's just never worth the time/risk in PVE.
You should look at the damage of Ex Diris, it’s doing way more than I think it should be
Fighting Lion with Controlled Demo is pretty great.
One buff for symmetry that would be nice it if it had a time return on kills and hits like tarrabah.
Also make the neutral game for the gun a bit more fun
The Juj
Loving all the vids Datto. Cant watch stream so i cant hear you talk about the game
Huckleberry with peacekeepers is why it feels so good now, warlocks need a similar exotic for pulses or something
Yeah, I like how hunters have an exotic specifically for handcannons, sidearms, and bows
Titans have rockets, autorifles and machine guns, and submachine guns
Warlocks have ????
@@kky7346weapons of sorrow even though it isn’t a weapon archetype. And even though it isn’t a WoS, I’d like Bad Juju to be added
@@kky7346 weapons of sorrow like the other guy said and rain of fire for fusions, a pulse one would be cool though. also i think titans have shotguns as well, i'd like a sniper one for hunters
@@kky7346 Rain of Fire for Fusions & Cenotaph for Trace Rifles...
@@kky7346Cenotaph for Trace Rifles
Wondering if I could make buffed Fighting Lion work in my Volatile Rounds Hunter build. Hm...
I gave Huckleberry/Tarrabah with Peacekeepers a go when Lightblade was the nightfall, and while that was clearly a bad choice overall because being anywhere near most engagements with that kind of setup is a death sentence, it was pretty fun! Kinetic Tremors procing Huckleberry's on kill reload felt great, blasting one big guy and keeping the pressure on him while the ads around him die and give me more super high damage shots. Tarrabah did Tarrabah things, nothing to complain about there and it did feel really strong being able to just lay into something with so much extra damage at max damage boost stacks, though it's a shame the reload isn't fast enough to maintain max damage
Symmetry just needs rapid hit and voltshot and it'll be fine
You missed a real opportunity with not saying "Welcome to Episode 2 exotic weapon bugaloo".
You are wrong with the prospector I use it and it works especially on the servator inVH
Fighting Lion my beloved
"I'm not sure how important kinetic tremors is for the state of kinetic weapons"
I think kinetic tremors should stun barriers. We are super dependent on the seasonal artifact for barrier stuns since there is currently no chill clip or voltshot or jolting feedback for barriers. Stunning with KT would take some skill because you would need to time it just right for the tremors to proc right as the barrier is going up
Just use KT while radiant.
Would it be too much to ask that shotguns get a reserve bump in PVE? Aside from one two punch, I rarely see any shotguns used in PVE.
Get one with discord. Once you get the rythem of 'kill with one weapon, switch to shotgun for 5 seconds, switch back' you become a murder machine. My legit good roll was a solar 'discord/subsistence'. When the perk is active, infinite ammo and no reloads' Bosses are the exception, of course, but there have to be limits on it. The newer arc shotty with discord/voltshot hits hard on mobs as well.
Use fighting lion with controlled demolitionist on void titan.
Huckleberry getting a buff when it didnt need one is cool but like sub machine guns as a WHOLE suck. Huckleberry was like the #1 sub to use if you were going to use one so I dont really see the point here
It is actually hilarious how all 3 classes got a viable exotic weapon+armour build this episode.
Kinetic tremors is amazing, go use it.
You forgot to cover last word and it’s pve damage glow up.
cenotaph should be trace rifle lucky pants
Yes
noooooooooooooo dont tell them abou juju keep it a secret :(
DR. CUT
Your dog is so cute
My opinion has
My opinion
I can’t do this anymore.
Fighting lion goated
Tarrabah is still so bad. Let it keep its charge in PVE
Huckleberry 》》Tarrabah
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Crazy how many exotic bungie made specifically for hunters. As a warlocks and titan player why would i ever use exdris or still hunt
You could make the same argument for Necrotic Grips with Thorn or Bad Juju. Only Warlocks can boost them to that level. Sweet Business and Acturis Rig for Titans. There are a few like that.
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ah yes my opinion on (most) exotic weapons!
You just aren’t a happy person are you datto?
More videos like this rather than the gas lighting
No views after 1 minute, Datto feel off :(
Dad joke
@@SwampyThingy Nah it's just a bad one lol
These all are great ofc, but it seems I'll die first before i see sturm rework 🫠