My dad gave me an H&R single shot break open .410 shotgun, shoots 3 inch shells only, back in the mid 1970's and to this day it is still my favorite bird hunting shotgun. Took it out many times hunting small game and birds. And shooting such a small bore single shot sure teaches you how to shoot better and make sure your shots count. Thanks for showing that old classic shotgun.
That 410 sure is a beautiful shotgun! As a lady shooter...I really really like its small size. And there's just something about the sound of pumping that shotgun that I can't get enough of. Thanks for another great and informative video! Keep them coming!
Love the old shotguns! There is just something about them. I have a fondness for old Ithaca model 37’s. Grew up hunting with my Grandfather’s 16 gauge. First gun I ever purchased was a matching 12 gauge that was manufactured in ‘42 if I recall correctly. Both of those are still in my possession and always will be.
@K2 Custom It's great to hear from you . . . Memories and old guns. What a combination. I know you'll hang on to both. Here's a great video on the Ithaca 37. ruclips.net/video/nTzGdsTGzmk/видео.html . USOG is one of my favorites.
That is a couple of beautiful old shotguns! I have a .410 that I love to shoot, have shot a gazillion shells through it, and never shot a 2 1/2 inch shell even once. I ALWAYS use a 3 inch to get the most possible pellet count. It gets results.
Thanks for your Model 42. I was 11 years old when my Grandfather gave me one. It had a 30in full choke barrell. Still have it 58 years later. No count on how many rabbits. A few ducks, pheasant, and ducks. The range of the small pellets was limited, but what a great gauge to start out a young person on.. I recommend rabbits. Got my son one at age 10, a Remington 870, 26 in barrell and improved choke. He did good on quail under 25 yards but most flushed after being held down by a dog. Keep up the great posts.
Very nice 410! I bet it's a lot of fun. Old hand me downs are the best. I have a handful in my safe that were given to me by my grandfather, some aren't too far away from their 100th birthday. An old slamfire 12ga Browning model 30, Montgomery Ward Western Field take down, (it's basically an older Stevens Ranger 30) but it's fun. My fav by far is his old Colt Police Positive in 38S&W. Love that revolver, very fun cartridge to reload too. Thanks for sharing your awesome old shotguns with us 👍
Thanks. It was really a joy to make this video. I told another viewer I think a chapter 2 is in order some time down the road. Sounds like I could make several videos like this just from your safe😄
My father was on M106 recoil-less rifles in Vietnam. His M106 was mounted on a mule like the one in the video. I showed him your video and he seemed to really appreciate it. he also mentioned that those mules were very dangerous and had several stories of guys getting seriously hurt on them and one of a guy actually being killed. These were all accidents (roll/flip over). I mention all this because I hope you use some caution while driving it. Stay safe!
Thanks for the heads up. Yes, they are dangerous and the drivers head is basically the first point of contact in a rollover. We keep things slow with the Mule just for that reason.
I have a bunch of old guns, mostly rifles. I do have an old Mossberg 185D bolt action 20ga, made from 1948-64. Kicks like a mule with slugs or buck. Also a Turkish 8mm mauser from 1944 and a couple Mosin-Nagants from 1944 and 1928. Those rifles can be a lot of fun.
@CountryRock_2001 those are some interesting old guns. Fun to shoot, no doubt, except the Mossberg. I've shot one of those and can attest to their brutality😄
Morning George. Really enjoyed the video. What a treasure you have in those two shotguns. Especially the Mod 42. Killed many a squirrel around here in the 50's and 60's with a 410. Just about the perfect shot for squirrels if one uses a shotgun. And no, I wouldn't use that Mod 42 no where near water. Rust would be the unthinkable. Speaking of squirrel hunting with shotguns, there was a feller here in Tyler county out near the river that was so ugly all he had to do was look up into the tree and when the little limb rat saw his face it would fall out of the tree dead as a doorknob. He was well known for this and a sports writer for the Beaumont Enterprise came up to Woodville and did a story on him. In the interview, the writer asked him if he ever took his wife hunting with him. He said, "oh no !! She tears 'em up too bad." Have a great day George. Only 7 more days til Tuesday.
@@TargetSuite You have a tough act to follow and I know you are good as I have been following Buffalo when I think he had under 5k subs...He does not shout out channels that are not good so I look forward to your good content and keep up the good work....
I never owned a Winchester but have had friends that did and loved them . I do have a over and under Stevens .410/.22 and it was probably made in the early 60's shoots good . Great little squirrel gun , get em when they're still with the .22 and the .410 when they run . The up side to the .410 is you bite into less lead lol . I have two Remington 870's one with a 30"FC. and the other with the 20" slug barrel . A few years ago I did a test with #4 out of the slug gun and was surprised to see how tight at 40 steps it was , I need to test it with bird loads just so I know .
Hi Spencer. Good to hear from you again. That Stevens is a great little firearm. Does yours have the Tenite (plastic) stock? I think those are pretty rare these days.
It just so happens that the only gun in my house is an old-ish gun. It's a Mossberg 500 with a 28" barrel and wood furniture. Mossberg tells me it was built in 1988. Hardly an antique, but old enough to have some stories.
John, I feel your pain. I had two of those. One I gave away to a neighbor's kid, and the other I sold for some stupid reason. And there were others. Oh the shame . . . 😄
I would like to have one of those Vietnam era mules like you were leaning on. I first saw those things used years ago at Knob Creek Gun Range in Kentucky. I think they came with 2 cyl. Hercules engines.
I just got into getting older guns, so I don't have much, but have fallen in love with older stuff.....except for women. 1942 Swedish Mauser in 6.5 Swede is my safe queen. Nice little old gun you got there. 410 is small, but if you know how to shoot, it'll do the job. It doesn't take 42 pellets to kill a bunny or a squirrel.
I'm working on adding a second video each week . . . "usually on Friday"😉 I'll launch in a month or so. It will be "What old gun is in your closet". If Louisiana was near Quebec I'd love to borrow that Swedish Mauser for a couple of days. It would be the perfect rifle to build a video around for that series. Stay say Jim!
Target Suite It would. It's a really sweet gun. In almost perfect condition. All original except for the safety lever. Bore just has a touch of frost in it, but it's hardly been shot. The armoured gave it a 1 stamp for accuracy. Did a couple ladder loads for it and found a very accurate load for a 140 gun hornady bullet. 6.5 is a great bullet, and I laugh at all the people going on and in about 6.5 creedmore like it's the newest and greatest thing, when that calibre has been used for about 100yrs. I have the ugliest, beat up, pitted (outside only) and nasty sporterized spanish Mauser with the ugliest stock pit on it. You know with that sort of orange, racked and old butt stock? It has a see through scope mount that sits so high I needed to order a stock cover with extra pads to keep my cheek high enough to see through the scope. But it's a Kar98 pattern in 8mm, made in the 5's, and I put 5 rounds into a target at 50 yds and 4 of them went through the same hole that I could just fit a finger through. The 5th I flinched and was way off. That's an interesting one too, because to look at it, you'd think it couldn't hit the side of a barn. Both of them, being military Mauser, have throats so deep you'll never find a bullet long enough to reach the lands....just a weird fact about military mausers. Just load them at a length that the soft tips won't get smushed in the mag, and he done with it. I got a High Standard pistol from the 70's. heavy bull barrel and target grips. Really nice too, but they aren't super old, except for the Swede.
Great rifles. I have to confess to being a Remington 700 snob for too much of my younger shooting life, so I turned up my nose on some of those great military rifles from mid-century and earlier. And you are right, to those who have long embraced the 6.5X55 cartridge, it must bring a little smile to their faces to see the youthful enthusiasm over the "recently discovered" 6.5mm potential. I've got a High Standard pistol also. Mine's a Victor from the '60s. Shoots lights out! Btw, when I say old, I'm including guns like the Ruger 44 Carbine I just picked up. It was made in 1972 and a lot of younger shooters have never seen one. You'll see that Ruger in an upcoming video. Thanks Jim! I appreciate your comments.
Target Suite A lot of people turned their noses at the old milsurp guns. People into higher end guns. That's why they were so cheap. But the Lee enfiield has shot more moose up here than any gun, and you still see ones with chopped up stocks being used, especially out east where they tend to be more frugal. What I like about them, apart from the history, and that they were made by hand, is they're just so dam tough. Open up a Mauser, for example, and you'll see all huge springs, and components. Almost nothing to break. That's why people are still using 70 yr old guns for hunting with no problems. Biggest down side is no scopes. Can't destroy a collectible with drilling and mounting a scope, and it's expensive if you're looking at a cheap one that's been sporterized. It's just not cheap anymore. Anyway, see you in your next video
Really wish I had one of those old model 42s. I have a model 12 and 1897 both in 16ga. Also have an old Remington model 10 and Ithaca 37 in 12ga. No 410 pumps though.
To my shame this great little gun sat in the corner for decades, unappreciated. Right next to it was a Winchester Model 37, red letter version. Both are regularly seeing the light of day now. You also have some great old guns. Thanks for the comment!
The model 37 was a very nice single barrel shotgun produced by Winchester from 1936 to 1963. Unfortunately, someone took a hacksaw to mine. Otherwise my red letter version would have some value. Of course the real value is that it came from my uncle and in its current condition, I don't mind using it.
@@TargetSuite It's a nice looking gun. The last time it was shot was around 1975. I'm not how to tell if it would be safe to shoot it. Thanks for responding to my post.
I enjoy the back and forth with you guys. It's my "link" to the outside world😄 My thought on a gun like that would be to just treasure it, and then some day, if possible, have a real 'smith look it over to see if it is safe. Thanks for the comments!
@@TargetSuite the savage 99 is a great rifle. They designed that for the high velocity cartridge. Whats the name? 30 - 3,000? I know the savage 99 has taken countless elk and moose.
You talked about shooting tungsten through that old gun. I would be a little nervous the forcing cone is different and made for the old shells that had no wads.
Buffalo referred me here. He said you like the same guns he does...which means...the same guns I do. I use a Model 42 for the .410 class in skeet shooting. Which means 2-1/2" shells and #9 shot. I use Model 12s for the other gauges in league competition. Great guns! I started shooting skeet with a Model 12 in the early 60s and though I have all the others now, I have not found any that I shoot skeet better with than Model 12s and the Model 42. Subscribed. 👍
@@TargetSuite I was the beneficiary of a "gun guy" maternal Grandfather who thought John Browning was the "God of Guns" and tried to get every gun Browning designed. I was his "hunting buddy" since I was just a little guy. My father had retired from the military and took a job as the manager on my grandfather's ranch in Runnels Co., TX. That meant lots of hunting and shooting. My father was also a "gun guy". When my Grandfather passed away I inherited his collection of "Browning guns". He had told my Grandmother to give them to me when "he no longer needed them". So I got a huge kick start on collecting Winchester rifles and shotguns, Colt pistols, Browning shotguns and a Remington Model 81. I am still trying to collect every lever gun Winchester ever made. Long way to go...😊 I am also partial to Savage Model 99s but only have one. A .300 Savage. I guess you could say that was all the rifle I ever needed. 😉
Wow! What a blessing . . . great memories and a collection of great guns. Btw, I have grown to appreciate the 99 in my "mature" years. As a younger man I thought that Savage was too nontraditional and ugly, not realizing how advanced the design was. I hope to add one some day and .300 Savage wouldn't be a bad start.
@@TargetSuite I always liked the looks of the Savage...quirky as it is. And YES it is a great design, very accurate, and can use pointed bullets. As much as I like the Winchester Model 1895, the Savage is a lot easier to carry in the hand..no magazine hanging down. I came to regard the .300 Savage as the BEST deer cartridge ever. Your opinion may vary. 😉
Awesome. The USMC sold a bunch of mules to guy in California (I think). They were like new. Last I looked he was reselling them for around $14,000. Thanks for the comment.
Being a full choke shotgun shooting tungsten, steel or bismuth will eventually destroy the barrel as it does not compress the same as lead. Also, prior to the 1940s (later as well for many shotguns) the chambers and forcing cones were cut a lot tighter as star crimp ammunition did not exist. Shooting modern shells can create a potentially dangerous situation with them partly due to the crimp opening up and restricting the shot prematurely. The same thing happens when 3" shells are shot in a shorter chamber. My old Tobin side by side (the only one I have ever seen made at the original American factory before moving to Canada) has insanely tight chambers and short of reloading for it I cut off the star crimp on shells and roll crimp just to be safe. When I was younger I didn't know the history I know now but she doesn't seem to have taken any permanent damage. Being made about 1907 or 1908 she still goes out with me as often as I can.
@TurtleWolf Pack . . . Thanks! That comment was off the cuff and not well thought out. At least not until this morning when I rewatched the video and wondered myself about the full choke. You certainly confirmed my "fears". Thanks again!
@@TargetSuite all good! I absolutely LOVE shotguns and don't own nearly enough these days. My dad used to shoot 3" in my granddads Model 12 (one of my sisters had a special attachment to it and is now the care taker) and that old girl took it with pride but the recoil was absolutely insane partly because of the over pressure. I suspect that the she will serve the fourth generation just as well as the first three with no issues and now I am really missing not having a Model 12 in the cabinet!!
A beautiful classic shotgun i love it I was looking for a single shot 20ga/bore the price is up there a single shotgun cost more then a double barrel shotgun(on buds gun shop)so I might go for a double barrel 20ga/bore shotgun
Hi Jay. Lots more to talk about on the Model 42. I will probably do a Chapter 2 in the future when I can get my hands on more .410 ammo. Thanks for the comment.
@@TargetSuite haven't reloaded. 44-40's in five are so years. The 73 I put 10 rounds through last year and I bet it's been 10 years for the Burgess. Have not shot it since my grandfather passed.
@@TargetSuite I retire guns. The Burgess was my grandfather's. He gave it to me before he passed. We shot it often but he was the last to shoot it before he passed away. So I keep it the way it was when it was in his hands. ☺ have a safe full of retired guns. The Burgess, my grandfather's favorite rifle, and a three screw Super Blackhawk .41 mag that was a favorite of my father. It hasn't been shot in twenty years. Both are tied for number one of my top ten most cherished retired guns.
@2326TX Your "Retired" safe Sounds like a museum of great and interesting firearms. I had the Smith & Wesson .41 Magnum. I bought it in the '70's because you couldn't find (or afford) the legendary 44 Magnum at the time. Of all the gun I have let slip through my fingers, that one hurts the most. Thanks for all the comments!
You have three beautiful classics there. A Win. M-12, a Win. M-42, and a Mechanical Mule! And that, I would like to know, where you got it? (The Mule) I drove a couple of those in the Marine Corps, and would just about give my left nut for one as nice as that one looks! She is a beauty! 😀
Haha! You can buy one of those from www.mechanicalmulesofamerica.com/ . And they have hundreds if not a few thousand almost new M274 mules they bought from the USMC. But one of those will just about cost you that left . . . well, let me just say, they are expensive. I bought mine through a contact, but like so many mules out there, it had problems and took a lot of work.
My dad gave me an H&R single shot break open .410 shotgun, shoots 3 inch shells only, back in the mid 1970's and to this day it is still my favorite bird hunting shotgun. Took it out many times hunting small game and birds. And shooting such a small bore single shot sure teaches you how to shoot better and make sure your shots count. Thanks for showing that old classic shotgun.
Thanks. Yes, the .410 does make you learn to shoot better. That is really a sparse pattern.
What a beautiful little shotgun. Wow. I love small bore shottys. Thanks for the mention! That means a lot to me.
Hi Buffalo. I'm a recent small bore convert, but a passionate one. Thanks for the comment!
I enjoy your channel as well as this one Buffalo 😁
That 410 sure is a beautiful shotgun! As a lady shooter...I really really like its small size. And there's just something about the sound of pumping that shotgun that I can't get enough of. Thanks for another great and informative video! Keep them coming!
Thanks. It's always great to hear from you. And yes, there is something about that slide that makes a grown man or woman smile😄
Love the old shotguns! There is just something about them. I have a fondness for old Ithaca model 37’s. Grew up hunting with my Grandfather’s 16 gauge. First gun I ever purchased was a matching 12 gauge that was manufactured in ‘42 if I recall correctly. Both of those are still in my possession and always will be.
@K2 Custom It's great to hear from you . . . Memories and old guns. What a combination. I know you'll hang on to both. Here's a great video on the Ithaca 37. ruclips.net/video/nTzGdsTGzmk/видео.html . USOG is one of my favorites.
Usog is a very intelligent person who knows a lot about firearms.
@Frank He's one of my favorites. Very different.
That is a couple of beautiful old shotguns! I have a .410 that I love to shoot, have shot a gazillion shells through it, and never shot a 2 1/2 inch shell even once. I ALWAYS use a 3 inch to get the most possible pellet count. It gets results.
Hi Gary. That makes sense. Thanks for the comment!
Shared the vid with one of my sons , .410 's are our favorite go to's for bunny hunting.
Hi Rich. Thanks for sharing. Stay safe!
Buffalo Outdoors just gave you a shout-out. He said you have a great channel so, his word is good enough for me.👍🇺🇸
Awesome! Thank you! Was that your Keltec Sub 2000 Buffalo reviewed a couple of weeks ago?
Thanks for your Model 42. I was 11 years old when my Grandfather gave me one. It had a 30in full choke barrell. Still have it 58 years later. No count on how many rabbits. A few ducks, pheasant, and ducks. The range of the small pellets was limited, but what a great gauge to start out a young person on.. I recommend rabbits. Got my son one at age 10, a Remington 870, 26 in barrell and improved choke. He did good on quail under 25 yards but most flushed after being held down by a dog. Keep up the great posts.
Hi Carl. Great story about your Model 42. I'm sure it will pass on to progeny that are well trained to appreciate the rifle and the history.
The model 42 was never offered with a 30 inch barrel. Only 26 or 28 inch barrels were available for the entire production run from 1933 to 1963.
Thanks Michael. Great to hear from another Model 42 fan!
Buffalo sent me and so glad he did. What an awesome video you made. Love that Winchester 410. Never seen one👍
Great to have you. Buffalo's Outdoors is one of my favorite channels. And I am humbled that he would recommend me. Thanks!
Very nice 410! I bet it's a lot of fun. Old hand me downs are the best. I have a handful in my safe that were given to me by my grandfather, some aren't too far away from their 100th birthday. An old slamfire 12ga Browning model 30, Montgomery Ward Western Field take down, (it's basically an older Stevens Ranger 30) but it's fun. My fav by far is his old Colt Police Positive in 38S&W. Love that revolver, very fun cartridge to reload too. Thanks for sharing your awesome old shotguns with us 👍
Thanks. It was really a joy to make this video. I told another viewer I think a chapter 2 is in order some time down the road. Sounds like I could make several videos like this just from your safe😄
That is a beautiful little 410 caliber shotgun
410 caliber ! Yep, you are stirring the pot😀 It is a sweet little shotgun for sure.
That is a nice old Winchester
James, that is a sweetie! Thanks for the comment.
It’s great to see some old classics in action.
Thanks! There is great modern stuff to be seen and enjoyed, but I really like older firearms. They just "feel" different!
My father was on M106 recoil-less rifles in Vietnam. His M106 was mounted on a mule like the one in the video. I showed him your video and he seemed to really appreciate it. he also mentioned that those mules were very dangerous and had several stories of guys getting seriously hurt on them and one of a guy actually being killed. These were all accidents (roll/flip over). I mention all this because I hope you use some caution while driving it. Stay safe!
Thanks for the heads up. Yes, they are dangerous and the drivers head is basically the first point of contact in a rollover. We keep things slow with the Mule just for that reason.
Big fan of both shotguns. Lucky to have both in my collection.
That's awesome Robert. We are both lucky. Thanks for the comment!
I have a bunch of old guns, mostly rifles. I do have an old Mossberg 185D bolt action 20ga, made from 1948-64. Kicks like a mule with slugs or buck. Also a Turkish 8mm mauser from 1944 and a couple Mosin-Nagants from 1944 and 1928. Those rifles can be a lot of fun.
@CountryRock_2001 those are some interesting old guns. Fun to shoot, no doubt, except the Mossberg. I've shot one of those and can attest to their brutality😄
Morning George. Really enjoyed the video. What a treasure you have in those two shotguns. Especially the Mod 42. Killed many a squirrel around here in the 50's and 60's with a 410. Just about the perfect shot for squirrels if one uses a shotgun. And no, I wouldn't use that Mod 42 no where near water. Rust would be the unthinkable. Speaking of squirrel hunting with shotguns, there was a feller here in Tyler county out near the river that was so ugly all he had to do was look up into the tree and when the little limb rat saw his face it would fall out of the tree dead as a doorknob. He was well known for this and a sports writer for the Beaumont Enterprise came up to Woodville and did a story on him. In the interview, the writer asked him if he ever took his wife hunting with him. He said, "oh no !! She tears 'em up too bad." Have a great day George. Only 7 more days til Tuesday.
Haha! That's a great story. You made my day!
shot a LOT of quail with a model 42 that my dad bought new back in the 30s
Wow! That's a great story! I hope you still have that little shotgun.
Buffalo Outdoors sent me over and he is a good folk....Nice .410 as I did not know that about gauge so thanks for the learning info....Good stuff...
Hi Scott. Thanks for checking me out, and thanks for the comment!
@@TargetSuite You have a tough act to follow and I know you are good as I have been following Buffalo when I think he had under 5k subs...He does not shout out channels that are not good so I look forward to your good content and keep up the good work....
Thank you Scott. I appreciate that. I've learned a lot from watching great channels like Buffalo's Outdoors, But, I have a lot more to learn.
@@TargetSuite I am with you about learning...,LOL...
I never owned a Winchester but have had friends that did and loved them . I do have a over and under Stevens .410/.22 and it was probably
made in the early 60's shoots good . Great little squirrel gun , get em when they're still with the .22 and the .410 when they run . The up side to the .410 is you bite into less lead lol . I have two Remington 870's one with a 30"FC. and the other with the 20" slug barrel . A few years ago I did a test with #4 out of the slug gun and was surprised to see how tight at 40 steps it was , I need to test it with bird loads
just so I know .
Hi Spencer. Good to hear from you again. That Stevens is a great little firearm. Does yours have the Tenite (plastic) stock? I think those are pretty rare these days.
I like Buffalo's Outdoors, he's got a good channel.
Amen! One of my favorites!
I like the way that you pattern the rounds
Thanks Don. It was an eye opener for me to see both the .410 and 12ga patterns.
Got a browning A5 light 12. Made in belgium 1953. Nothing like em.
Sweeeet! Not a Sweet 16. But Sweeeet!
Hang in there. And keep up the good work thanks again
Thank you Rick. I will
It just so happens that the only gun in my house is an old-ish gun. It's a Mossberg 500 with a 28" barrel and wood furniture. Mossberg tells me it was built in 1988. Hardly an antique, but old enough to have some stories.
Yes, and every cherished old firearm began life as a "non-antique" with no memories. So hang on to that Mossberg😉
@@TargetSuite I intend to. But it sure makes me wish I knew the whereabouts of the 700 BDL my dad got me for Christmas as my first rifle.
John, I feel your pain. I had two of those. One I gave away to a neighbor's kid, and the other I sold for some stupid reason. And there were others. Oh the shame . . . 😄
@@TargetSuite I don't remember doing anything with my rifle. My brother might still have it. I'll have to find out.
There's hope! Awesome.
I would like to have one of those Vietnam era mules like you were leaning on. I first saw those things used years ago at Knob Creek Gun Range in Kentucky. I think they came with 2 cyl. Hercules engines.
You are right about the Hercules engines. They just run and run.
I just got into getting older guns, so I don't have much, but have fallen in love with older stuff.....except for women. 1942 Swedish Mauser in 6.5 Swede is my safe queen.
Nice little old gun you got there. 410 is small, but if you know how to shoot, it'll do the job. It doesn't take 42 pellets to kill a bunny or a squirrel.
I'm working on adding a second video each week . . . "usually on Friday"😉 I'll launch in a month or so. It will be "What old gun is in your closet". If Louisiana was near Quebec I'd love to borrow that Swedish Mauser for a couple of days. It would be the perfect rifle to build a video around for that series. Stay say Jim!
Target Suite It would. It's a really sweet gun. In almost perfect condition. All original except for the safety lever. Bore just has a touch of frost in it, but it's hardly been shot. The armoured gave it a 1 stamp for accuracy. Did a couple ladder loads for it and found a very accurate load for a 140 gun hornady bullet.
6.5 is a great bullet, and I laugh at all the people going on and in about 6.5 creedmore like it's the newest and greatest thing, when that calibre has been used for about 100yrs.
I have the ugliest, beat up, pitted (outside only) and nasty sporterized spanish Mauser with the ugliest stock pit on it. You know with that sort of orange, racked and old butt stock? It has a see through scope mount that sits so high I needed to order a stock cover with extra pads to keep my cheek high enough to see through the scope. But it's a Kar98 pattern in 8mm, made in the 5's, and I put 5 rounds into a target at 50 yds and 4 of them went through the same hole that I could just fit a finger through. The 5th I flinched and was way off. That's an interesting one too, because to look at it, you'd think it couldn't hit the side of a barn.
Both of them, being military Mauser, have throats so deep you'll never find a bullet long enough to reach the lands....just a weird fact about military mausers. Just load them at a length that the soft tips won't get smushed in the mag, and he done with it.
I got a High Standard pistol from the 70's. heavy bull barrel and target grips. Really nice too, but they aren't super old, except for the Swede.
Great rifles. I have to confess to being a Remington 700 snob for too much of my younger shooting life, so I turned up my nose on some of those great military rifles from mid-century and earlier. And you are right, to those who have long embraced the 6.5X55 cartridge, it must bring a little smile to their faces to see the youthful enthusiasm over the "recently discovered" 6.5mm potential.
I've got a High Standard pistol also. Mine's a Victor from the '60s. Shoots lights out! Btw, when I say old, I'm including guns like the Ruger 44 Carbine I just picked up. It was made in 1972 and a lot of younger shooters have never seen one. You'll see that Ruger in an upcoming video. Thanks Jim! I appreciate your comments.
Target Suite A lot of people turned their noses at the old milsurp guns. People into higher end guns. That's why they were so cheap. But the Lee enfiield has shot more moose up here than any gun, and you still see ones with chopped up stocks being used, especially out east where they tend to be more frugal.
What I like about them, apart from the history, and that they were made by hand, is they're just so dam tough. Open up a Mauser, for example, and you'll see all huge springs, and components. Almost nothing to break. That's why people are still using 70 yr old guns for hunting with no problems.
Biggest down side is no scopes. Can't destroy a collectible with drilling and mounting a scope, and it's expensive if you're looking at a cheap one that's been sporterized. It's just not cheap anymore.
Anyway, see you in your next video
Thanks!
Really wish I had one of those old model 42s. I have a model 12 and 1897 both in 16ga. Also have an old Remington model 10 and Ithaca 37 in 12ga. No 410 pumps though.
To my shame this great little gun sat in the corner for decades, unappreciated. Right next to it was a Winchester Model 37, red letter version. Both are regularly seeing the light of day now. You also have some great old guns. Thanks for the comment!
@@TargetSuite I'm not familiar with the Winchester model 37.
The model 37 was a very nice single barrel shotgun produced by Winchester from 1936 to 1963. Unfortunately, someone took a hacksaw to mine. Otherwise my red letter version would have some value. Of course the real value is that it came from my uncle and in its current condition, I don't mind using it.
Thanks to Buffalo for the map to your channel. I'll definitely be back!
Great. Thanks!
I would like to own either one of those guns, lol. I have a Winchester Model 10. It belonged to my father. I love it. Cool video thanks for sharing.
The model 10 is an interesting rifle. I have never seen one. Is yours a shooter?
@@TargetSuite It's a nice looking gun. The last time it was shot was around 1975. I'm not how to tell if it would be safe to shoot it. Thanks for responding to my post.
I enjoy the back and forth with you guys. It's my "link" to the outside world😄 My thought on a gun like that would be to just treasure it, and then some day, if possible, have a real 'smith look it over to see if it is safe. Thanks for the comments!
73 Winchester in 44WCF. Also a 30-40 Krag - Jorgensen carbine. Model 99.
Great guns! I hope to have a Savage 99 to review some day. It's a design I hated in my youth but have grown to love in my "mature" years.
@@TargetSuite the savage 99 is a great rifle. They designed that for the high velocity cartridge. Whats the name? 30 - 3,000? I know the savage 99 has taken countless elk and moose.
Yep, It was a fine design capable of handling high pressure, high velocity cartridges. Thanks for all your comments!
I’m guessing but you can’t find steel shot in 410
You talked about shooting tungsten through that old gun. I would be a little nervous the forcing cone is different and made for the old shells that had no wads.
Hi Dan. Someone else pointed that out also. I hadn't thought of that. Thanks!
Buffalo referred me here. He said you like the same guns he does...which means...the same guns I do.
I use a Model 42 for the .410 class in skeet shooting. Which means 2-1/2" shells and #9 shot. I use Model 12s for the other gauges in league competition. Great guns! I started shooting skeet with a Model 12 in the early 60s and though I have all the others now, I have not found any that I shoot skeet better with than Model 12s and the Model 42.
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Hi Gary. The Model 12 has to go down as one of the finest shotgun designs. Thanks, John Browning! And thank you for joining!
@@TargetSuite I was the beneficiary of a "gun guy" maternal Grandfather who thought John Browning was the "God of Guns" and tried to get every gun Browning designed. I was his "hunting buddy" since I was just a little guy. My father had retired from the military and took a job as the manager on my grandfather's ranch in Runnels Co., TX. That meant lots of hunting and shooting. My father was also a "gun guy". When my Grandfather passed away I inherited his collection of "Browning guns". He had told my Grandmother to give them to me when "he no longer needed them". So I got a huge kick start on collecting Winchester rifles and shotguns, Colt pistols, Browning shotguns and a Remington Model 81. I am still trying to collect every lever gun Winchester ever made. Long way to go...😊
I am also partial to Savage Model 99s but only have one. A .300 Savage. I guess you could say that was all the rifle I ever needed. 😉
Wow! What a blessing . . . great memories and a collection of great guns. Btw, I have grown to appreciate the 99 in my "mature" years. As a younger man I thought that Savage was too nontraditional and ugly, not realizing how advanced the design was. I hope to add one some day and .300 Savage wouldn't be a bad start.
@@TargetSuite I always liked the looks of the Savage...quirky as it is. And YES it is a great design, very accurate, and can use pointed bullets. As much as I like the Winchester Model 1895, the Savage is a lot easier to carry in the hand..no magazine hanging down.
I came to regard the .300 Savage as the BEST deer cartridge ever. Your opinion may vary. 😉
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I drove mules in 1983 in the USMC, OOHRAH!
Awesome. The USMC sold a bunch of mules to guy in California (I think). They were like new. Last I looked he was reselling them for around $14,000. Thanks for the comment.
Great video. Nice shotgun. Have fun and stay safe and healthy, with all this crap going on around us,take care.
Hi Frank. It is a nice shotgun, and to my "shame" it got ignored for most of the time I've had it. But not anymore! Thanks as always for the comment!
This fine, well spoken and wholesome minded gentleman looks and sounds a lot like the famous retired CIA agent Kevin Shipp.
Rats. If only that hair transplant had taken you'd never have recognized me!
Being a full choke shotgun shooting tungsten, steel or bismuth will eventually destroy the barrel as it does not compress the same as lead. Also, prior to the 1940s (later as well for many shotguns) the chambers and forcing cones were cut a lot tighter as star crimp ammunition did not exist. Shooting modern shells can create a potentially dangerous situation with them partly due to the crimp opening up and restricting the shot prematurely. The same thing happens when 3" shells are shot in a shorter chamber.
My old Tobin side by side (the only one I have ever seen made at the original American factory before moving to Canada) has insanely tight chambers and short of reloading for it I cut off the star crimp on shells and roll crimp just to be safe.
When I was younger I didn't know the history I know now but she doesn't seem to have taken any permanent damage. Being made about 1907 or 1908 she still goes out with me as often as I can.
@TurtleWolf Pack . . . Thanks! That comment was off the cuff and not well thought out. At least not until this morning when I rewatched the video and wondered myself about the full choke. You certainly confirmed my "fears". Thanks again!
@@TargetSuite all good! I absolutely LOVE shotguns and don't own nearly enough these days. My dad used to shoot 3" in my granddads Model 12 (one of my sisters had a special attachment to it and is now the care taker) and that old girl took it with pride but the recoil was absolutely insane partly because of the over pressure. I suspect that the she will serve the fourth generation just as well as the first three with no issues and now I am really missing not having a Model 12 in the cabinet!!
My Uncle also had the Model 12 16ga but it disappeared. But I do still have the Model 12 20ga that I got for Christmas in 1962. Blessed!
I'm here upon recomendation of Buffalo. I like it so far.
Thanks David.
Waterfowl only permits guns with 3 shots, you could always put a plug in the magazine!
A beautiful classic shotgun i love it I was looking for a single shot 20ga/bore the price is up there a single shotgun cost more then a double barrel shotgun(on buds gun shop)so I might go for a double barrel 20ga/bore shotgun
Thanks! A double 20 would be sweet!
You mentioned the mismatched serial numbers, but did you mention the takedown feature? And can it also "slam-fire" like the Model 12?
Hi Jay. Lots more to talk about on the Model 42. I will probably do a Chapter 2 in the future when I can get my hands on more .410 ammo. Thanks for the comment.
You can slam fire a Model 42. BUT why would you? These rare classics need to be treated with care. They are a real sweetheart to shoot!
Do you need a plug to duck hunt? I inherited one of these from my father in law. He was deadly on the rabbits with it
Yes. You have to plug most shotguns before any migratory or waterfowl hunting.
I would want to be shot with either of those 410 loads. Great video!
Thanks Jerry. I appreciate the comment!
Well my Colt Burgess was made in 1884, and my '73 Winchester according to the serial number was made in 1889.
Awesome pair of rifles. Do you still shoot them?
@@TargetSuite haven't reloaded. 44-40's in five are so years. The 73 I put 10 rounds through last year and I bet it's been 10 years for the Burgess. Have not shot it since my grandfather passed.
I understand. Sometimes life just pushes us in a different direction.
@@TargetSuite I retire guns. The Burgess was my grandfather's. He gave it to me before he passed. We shot it often but he was the last to shoot it before he passed away. So I keep it the way it was when it was in his hands. ☺ have a safe full of retired guns. The Burgess, my grandfather's favorite rifle, and a three screw Super Blackhawk .41 mag that was a favorite of my father. It hasn't been shot in twenty years. Both are tied for number one of my top ten most cherished retired guns.
@2326TX Your "Retired" safe Sounds like a museum of great and interesting firearms. I had the Smith & Wesson .41 Magnum. I bought it in the '70's because you couldn't find (or afford) the legendary 44 Magnum at the time. Of all the gun I have let slip through my fingers, that one hurts the most. Thanks for all the comments!
PDX out of a derringer is a one shot and done. 410 in a home is just as effective as a 12. Anyone can shoot .
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Oldest in closet? (JM) Marlin 336. 30-30. Serial number dates to 1959! Pa Paw bought this the year I was birthed.
A treasure for sure. Thanks Rowan!
It has no plug available
Hit some moving clays!
With a .410? The video would have been too long :-)
I traded my win.42 skeet model off and regretted it in a week.
Ouch ! ! ! I've done that too with several handguns and my original Marlin 1894. Plus a couple of Remington 700's
Allso have his 300 win mag built by po Ackley
Now that's a treasure. Not many will even know who Mr. Ackley was.
@@TargetSuite yup its in gun safe havent used it since my dad gave it too me
@@TargetSuite the chamber all most needs small bace dies for reloading it is tight
Almost a shame to let it sit idle😉
@@TargetSuite yea its got some issues from the way my dad carried it on the end of The barrel . Sweat from his hand etched and pitted the barrel
My oldest gun is one i got from my dad winchester modle 52
Nice!
@@TargetSuite i do have a model 1902. Single shot needs a bolt and stock
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I have one in 28
Sweet (not 16😉)!
Cool content 👍. New sub. Thanks to Buffalo !
Thanks Michael. Welcome. And thanks to Buffalo!
Is the reason you won't take it duck hunting no plug?
Yep. Too many shells in the tube will ruin a good day if the game warden show up.
You have three beautiful classics there. A Win. M-12, a Win. M-42, and a Mechanical Mule! And that, I would like to know, where you got it? (The Mule) I drove a couple of those in the Marine Corps, and would just about give my left nut for one as nice as that one looks! She is a beauty! 😀
Haha! You can buy one of those from www.mechanicalmulesofamerica.com/ . And they have hundreds if not a few thousand almost new M274 mules they bought from the USMC. But one of those will just about cost you that left . . . well, let me just say, they are expensive. I bought mine through a contact, but like so many mules out there, it had problems and took a lot of work.
@@TargetSuite Thanks for the Mule info! I figured one would cost a left....., but I'll check them out!
I would love to have one of those "new" M274s. That would be sweet. Let me know if you "pull the trigger"
@@TargetSuite I'm afraid if I do decide to pull the trigger, it will be awhile! As you said, they are salty!
.410/water
I want that 410 do you want to sell it
Sorry Don. Too much family history. Plus, it's become a favorite.
Target Suite good answer I have some like it also.
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Can't get any Steel Shot !
I know. It's tough out there. Crazy tough.
It'll come back soon, don't dispare.