Seems like a nice rifle but I think for the price, I would prefer the Marlin. I'm a bit prejudiced for Marlin since that's what I grew up shooting my grandfather's Marlin model 36 in 30-30. Back in the 60s, my brothers and I asked him why didn't he own a Winchester and he always said, "Winchester for show, Marlin for go". Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this S&W lever gun.
Yep. Small loop is a touch faster and doesn't beat up the back of your hand as bad. Bigger loops are great for hunting in the cold but not as much fun to shoot.
I agree, the trend towards large loops is frustrating. I cut, bent and re-welded the lever loop on a Rossi ranch hand to make it into a small loop, it's a lot of work but in the end it's more compact, it handles better and it looks better!
I saw that one and held it. It felt okay. I’m not big into the synthetic stock and their wood stock one is insanely priced. I ended up with the Marlin 1894 SBL.
Good video. With a lever action, you may have to find a load that will feed. A lot of them are very fussy. The 44 Magnums will generally feed the JHP and JSP loads OK. In 44 Special, most of mine would feed the 44 Special with any bullet type. The cast RNFP Cowboy bullets are made to feed in a lever rifle. YMMV.
Thanks for another great video. And I prefer the smaller loop myself because I live in Mississippi. You’re right we don’t need gloves down here and I could work that smaller lever faster than the bigger one.😊 especially if I got more than one hog coming after me or trying to get away
In Wisconsin, when cold, we don’t usually wear “gloves” when very cold. It’s mittens, usually with liner (wool, either wool glove or more likely a wool mitten). The outer mitten, sometimes called “chopper” will sometimes have lanyard ( usually going up coat sleeve around to the other mitten) so we can pull off mitten and drop it , when we need more dexterity. Because it’s on a lanyard it’s not lost, it just hangs there (and majorly gets in the way, a pain) . The lanyard is old school. Basically we wear what we got. But if
The thicker barrel on the Smith makes a huge difference in heat management vs my other lever 44’s and it does not loose zero when hot like my others, its recoil seems about half, and I don’t notice it feeling much heavier to carry. Mine’s a keeper, vastly better 44 than any other that I’ve bought/sold in the past.
Hi from France, I am watching your videos for months (years ?), I've a Rossi 1892 with Rossi rail + Vortex Crossfire 2 with 2 MOA dot, ans I made great shots with my reloaded rounds
I am with you I like the standard loop size better. I come from a very cold climate and I used heavy gloves with my lever gun. While it was a snug fit. I never had an issue, and I wear large gloves. The larger loops just means more discomfort when cycling the action in my opinion, especially when your hands are very cold. Interesting point you mentioned regarding the potential interference between the magazine tube and the m-slot fasteners used to attach accessories. I did not realize that. Thanks for the tip.
I really appreciate your comment. You have validated, from a point of real experience, what I have suspected all along and that is that there really isn't a need for the large loop for the gloved hand. But it certainly has become something that just gets repeated over and over again until everyone believes it must be true.
Well I must really like your videos because I watched it again and I learned even more. Point in case the comb is set up for a optic sight and the iron sights are higher than the Marlin. That said I just wanted to add to my original comment concerning loop sizes. As you know I like the standard loop size. But I like the standard loop so much I have them on all 4 of my lever rifles. My old Marlin in 35 Rem, Winchester 30-30, Henry 44 mag and my Rossi in 357 mag. Keep up the great work George. Who knows I may even watch l the video again sometime. Maybe it's time for a 45-70 lever action. Hmm I will have to think about that.
I prefer the large lever loops. I have XL size hands and here in the northeast woods, it gets cold during deer season. The other morning it was 20 degrees and about 0 with the wind chill. I love my lever guns and I love my wool hunting gloves!😂
Good shooting, nice rifle. S&W is sometimes late to the table, but when they show up they have a very good product for us. They let the other guy invent the wheel, and then they take their time refining and improving that wheel. Nice rifle. I think the large loop is sexy looking, but the hand banging around in it is sort of sloppy. The smaller loop seems to fit the hand better and work more efficiently.
I haven't put in enough time to really get used to the medium(?) loop on my Henry .357 carbine, but that smidgen of extra room does let my hand hit a little harder when working the lever. I do like how it looks, probably because I watched The Rifleman too often, LOL. I need to look up some prices, I'll brace myself first.
To each his own. if you are a Ruger/ Marlin snob like myself, buy the Marlin. If you are a Smith and Wesson snob buy the Smith and Wesson. Probably can't go wrong with either Thanks for the reviews!.
I also prefer a standard loop. The larger ones seem awkward to me as my had travels in that larger space while cycling the action & the back of my fingers slam uncomfortably on the bottom stroke . I also like the traditional look of a standard loop better. I think the Marlin 1894 is one of the finest rifles ever made excluding the micro groove variants. I've had a number of Micro groove Marlins & standard Ballard type rifling ones as well. The latter has always proved substantially more accurate for me. "Keep em coming George!
i worked on the assembly lines for these .The lockup seemed to be due to some issue with the gage size and the bolts also there were issues where after we put the spring in for the hammer mechanism the drill would over tighten some of the side screws.
@ I since left S&W and shortly after I left they fired everyone on the assembly line and moved the line down to Tennessee from Springfield. Before I left in June they had not resolved it
I really enjoy your videos, you always show me something new that I need. 😂I do appreciate a nice lever gun. I also prefer the large lever loop. Not only for the looks but because every place I've lived requires heavy gloves. Northern Wisconsin and now Alaska.
I'm a traditionalist. Suppressors, picatinny rail and m-lok just don't belong on a lever gun. However, I am glad to see a renewed interest in lever guns, so if there is a market for that, great! Now, that cross-bolt safety is a PITA.
@@TargetSuite True, or scamper off after hearing the hammer hit the cross-bolt safety because the shooter forgot it was on. The S&W is a new design, so it doesn't offend me as much as the Marlins and Winchesters that have been retrofitted with it.
I feel like the traditional lever guns (blued/wood) look better traditional, while the modern iterations exist precisely for "sporterizing" them, especially because some areas prevent people from using modern arms. Then again, people have been putting scopes on wood-stocked lever guns for a very long time, while others claim it's not traditional. I like Henry's transfer bar style safety, where there's neither a cross-bolt manual safety, nor even a half-cock safety, yet it's perfectly safe still. Arguably that's safer than half-cock, because if you walk around the woods with the half-cocked hammer, it could, theoretically, get caught on some brush and get cocked or dropped. But personally I'd just pay attention.
@@TargetSuite No telling how many deer are missed by that flinch either! 😆 Trying to decide whether to wait for one of these in .357 mag or go with a Henry. My Marlin 336 in .35 Rem is going to my nephew. Bit too much recoil for me at my age.
I really surprised they didn't also offer it in the 500 mag because of the popularity of their pistol. That would be an awesome pistol and carbine combo
I asked him about the 460 at shot show. As I recall he said they had been thinking about it but that is a pretty high pressure cartridge for this little action. Maybe they'll come up with a larger receiver that can handle those big Whoppers
@@TargetSuite 460 in a rifle barrel is going to be nasty!!! You can already get rifle energies out of a pistol!!! It'll probably be kicking 45-70's butt!!! Insane is the already wild absolute zero out of a pistol, what that would look like out of a rifle is anyone's guess!!!
A Marlin action, of any kind, won't contain 60,000psi for more than maybe 20 shots before being beaten so loose it won't close. Same reason you don't see a 454 Casull model. Browning's 1886 and 1892 designs are significantly stronger, but the 92 is too short to feed anything longer than 454 and the 86 is chambered in much bigger cartridges so 460 would seem pedestrian by comparison.
I love their loop and Henry's large loop on the X models like I have. I'd say the medium size. I don't like the model 94 style big loop or the ones on the normal Rossi R92
I have a Winchester 94 ae that came with the John Wayne style large loop lever and as much as I enjoy the Dukes movies I was not a fan of the large loop so I changed it out for a normal size loop and it is 100% better in my opinion.
I too have never been one to bury my check into a stock comb. Muscle memory tells me when the comb is being held against my cheek in the optimum spot. I always follow the old standard of shouldering the rifle with the eyes closed, then open and see if everything appears as it should. Let me also add I’m a little surprised S&W didn’t leave an open slot in the removable magazine tube so it can be loaded via either the side gate or from the tube slot. If I’m not mistaken, the newer Henry rifles that offer a side gate and designed in this manner.
The problem with implementing a Henry type solution is that it requires both an inner and an outer magazine tube. That requires a lot of space that is not available with the S&W forend/mlock design.
It’s a really nice rifle super accurate and smooth operation , at first I was trying to get a Marlin but seeing no availability I settled on the 1854 and I do not regret it one bit after shooting it
Just got around to watching your review. Excellent review of the S&W 1854! Patterned after the 336 for sure. Nice strong action for handling the heavier 44 loads. Don't care for the mid size large loop levers except on heavier recoiling calibers like 45/70 and 450 Marlin. Wish that S&W would make more 1854's in Walnut and blued steel in the future. At first I didn't think that I'd like the removable mag tube, but it appears to be a solid look on this Marlin "replica". Easy and quick to unload and clean the mag tube. It's way easier to find one on the open market also, unlike the new Ruger Marlins. Thanks for a great look at an apparently great lever action carbine. A belated Happy Memorial Day to you my friend. Carry on!
That was a great video on the S&W lever 44 mag. I don't know if I'd buy one. I still like the wood furniture on a rifle, I guess I'm just too old school. Take Care and Be Safe.
Amen on being old school. But I think this gun is clearly aimed at a younger market and as such it's really a nice blend of traditional lines with more modern features. I think it will be a big seller for Smith & Wesson.
I have a soft spot for the Marlin 1894 44 mag since thatʻs what I dad got me when I was 16 years old. That was back in 1976, and I still have it. I also along the way picked up and old 1946 vintage Marlin model 36 in 30-30 with a square bolt, a Winchester 94AE Trapper in 357 magnum, a Taurus model 62LAR in 22LR, and a Montgomery Ward M79 (Mossberg 472) in 30-30. I have peep sights on all except the Monkey Ward due to no peeps available, but it gave me an excuse to scope it. I also have a Daisy model 10 BB gun for popping mice too, do they count? They all have wood stocks. I put a earlier half-cock hammer on my 94AE. Hard to get used to anything else. Old dog, new tricks.
I like the medium loop on my new Marlin 1894. They did a really nice job of rounding the edges of the loops, both standard and medium size. Both work for me, but I prefer the medium size because I can push forward with my hand instead of down and around. YMMV This S&W looks so much like a Marlin 336/1895 action. I have a Rossi R-95 that I put “modern” furniture on. I don’t see much ointment to the MLok slots unless you want a hand stop on the underside. I guess someone else might want to mount a light …
finally picked this up in blued/wood 45 colt. officially owning ruger/marlin, henry and now s&w lever guns. the henry edges them out in overall quality. the wood is also noticeably better. others look like some poplar from the home depot.
@@TargetSuite lol at least you're still hitting lol. The funniest part of this whole video is that I've been raised my whole life in the Smith and Wesson vs Ruger argument about Ruger being beefier and Smith being more refined, but here we have a Ruger made marlin and it's the more refined and lighter built gun and the Smith and Wesson is the beefier more robust gun!!! Total role reversal!!! Lol 😆
@@TargetSuite I wish I didn't live so far away from you, because if you did you would be the coolest guy to hang out with!!! I'm only in my 30's but I can't abide most people my age, and I love learning about firearms and nature, and people my age are only starting to get half as good as the OG's like yourself, but I have learned even after 31 years of owning and shooting guns and almost as long hunting that I don't know half as much as I think I do!!! Also you're experience with life gives you a unique viewpoint that is tempered by experience, and that is a valuable thing!!! If I had one friend like you I wouldn't need more!!! Anyways I don't get out as much anymore due to being disabled(tore my spinal cord) but I do get out a bit and pretend to hunt!!! 😜 I really appreciate your perspectives, and willingness to share your love of the outdoors!!! And for all that long windedness..... Thank you!!!
As much as I try to be transparent and honest with my viewers, the "unedited" version of me, and all RUclipsrs for that matter, is never as cool, nice, or fun to hang around with, as they appear in video form.
I have a Winchester M94 with the standard size lever and I love it. John Wayne and Chuck Connor used the over size lever, but they were stars. I’m a commoner and have no use for the over size lever.
That's a really helpful review, George. You make some excellent observations. I'm hoping that S&W will offer this in other calibers relatively soon. From now on, you can use a scale indicating the comfort level of the stock as it relates to your cheek. The scale can go from zero to ten. Each indicator will be demarked by a wine bottle, or in your case, a "whine" bottle. The fewer bottles, the more comfortable. Exceptionally uncomfortable cheek welds can go as high as eleven. There's a pun in there somewhere about "putting a cork in it," but I'll leave that to someone far more qualified. :))
I took that very 1894 over to RPP for them to take a look at. The difference is ever so slight but just enough that their lever lever doesn't fit. I put one on my Ruger-made Marlin Guide Gun and it is perfect!
The price wasn't as much as I expected, i guess S&W is wanting to compete with Ruger Marlin on pricing. They're definitely aiming to reach the tactical accessories fans.
I prefer the medium loop on my levers. I found of you run it like a pump with a forward push instead of a downward throw it's smoother to operate, lightning fast and you get no knuckle slap.
Standard loop. Even though, some you can't get a glove in they just look so much better. On a stainless, pic rail, plastic gun it doesn't matter. To me any one of those has deleted style. I guess I'd call it the classic look. Wood and deep blue.
Thx for the great video. Looks like we need a comparison video with more lever guns. Perhaps a Henry, and a JM stamped Marlin if one can be found. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on all of those leverguns. And more if they can be found and acquired.
I like when people leave in the attempted firing and forgetting the safety on. I leave that in my videos too! Nice rifle, I would get one ... we have several lever guns here and this would be a dandy!
Looks like a lot fun. But like you I really like the look and feel of the traditional wood make lever actions. I guess if you are using your rifle in harsh, wet conditions the plastics and stainless make sence.
Hi Don. Guilty as charged it because it is a ton of fun. But actually, for hunting gun I think some of the dark series rifles being offered by Marlin and Henry might be a better option just because they are not so bright and shiny. I'm going to talk about that in a video coming up comparing the Marlin Trapper 45-70 with the Marlin Dark 45-70.
You are right about the 44 Magnum 336. Unfortunately, it was difficult for Marlin to make that short cartridge work in that long action. So, it didn't last long. But if you've got one that works well.. oh my!
I'm not at all surprised. Building a lever gun is difficult and nothing finds weak points quite like getting it out into the public domain. If you watch the videos I posted on that Marlin 44 magnum you may remember that the forearm band screw was snapping. Through that video I heard of two other people who had the same problem. Just working through the issues in manufacturing.
Looks like a well designed rifle . Does it feel front heavy or well balanced , noting the heavy barrel . Most of my rifles have heavy barrels but most of the time I shoot from a rest . Great video and looks like a great rifle . You have a blessed one .
For real-life usage I prefer the small loop. It is slightly faster, slightly more compact, and looks slightly better, without actually precluding the use of gloves. A big loop lets you spin the rifle about your fingers with the lever down and action open though. So there's that.
The loop on my father's 336w is perfect for him. It's a bit cramped for me, I can only get the two fingers in comfortably. The biggest loop is a bit much. There's a middle ground sized one that's perfect for me.
I prefer the standard loop. Can live with the medium loop, but I'm not a fan of the large loop. All of those are represented in my lever rifle collection.
I prefer the curved lever like a 336. The oblong lever on the 54, in my opinion, beats both Henry levers big and small, on those uncomfortable (for me) straight stocks. Iam really hoping I can get an 1854 in 45 colt. Thanks for a great review!
Thanks for your comment. As you can see from that one segment I'll hold the lever with my pinky outside the loop. That provides for a more curved approach from my wrist. Of course this is a curved grip but by doing that on a straight stock it allows a more comfortable grip for me. As for your wish of a 45 Colt version, I believe that is on the horizon along with a version in 357 Magnum.
My vote would be for the 'normal' or 'regular sized' lever loop, for my gloved sized hand. By the way George, I came looking for you review on this S&W lever rifle as for some unknown reason, I have not been getting your videos of late. I am subscribed and I have clicked the bell for 'All', so we'll see what happens soon.
What lever gun do you like better? I know the calibers are different but do you like the Marlin Trapper or the Smith & Wesson? Also are you getting the cheek issue with the Trapper? Awesome video, I am going to purchase my 1st lever gun soon. Thank you
The 1895 Trapper is a heavier gun even with a 4-in shorter barrel. So, from that perspective I would prefer my pistol caliber lever gun to be more like the Smith & Wesson 1894. But of course Marlon also offers the Trapper model in a pistol caliber as well. So lots to consider there. As to the cheek issue, I've never had that on any other Centerfire rifle, just on a shotgun.
It's been a month, time for a new vid! On that thought...I've seen a vid & read some comments that some of the Henry .357 rifles (rifles isn't redundant since Henry makes a .357 revolver) have accuracy issues. I haven't shot mine enough, esp at decent distances, to test it.
Good video! I am not a fan of the over sized lever or loop. I like how Henry gives you an option on that. But I would love to have a Winchester 92 like John Wayne's some day! I am not sure if I would buy one yet , I wonder if it is available in a blued version.
There is a blue version but it's a limited edition high polish Turkish Walnut gun, very expensive. I think the next two offerings are going to be the same gun chambered in 357 Magnum and 45 Colt.
Prefer the smaller loop on my my vintage lever guns but i like the large loop on my henry Big Boy brass .357 carbine. The Rossi .357 stainless Laminate model from last year has the large loop and I like that also.
I get that bringing out a .44mag makes sense due to its popularity in other lever guns. But what we want is for S&W to make us a 460 and 500mag lever guns!
I'm with you 100%! And, I talked to the engineer at the Smith & Wesson booth during Shot Show and asking that very question. I don't remember his exact words, but it was something like they're thinking about it.
I looked at one of these in my local gunshop and The one I saw was terrible. The loading gate was so scratched up had I not know the rifle was supposed to be new I would have figured it was a used model. The receiver was also scratched for 1000 dollars it was an easy pass for me I'll wait and get a marlin 1894, or a henry.
I agree with the modern take on the lever gun. And I appreciate that Smith & Wesson didn't go all out to make it tacti-cool. There's already plenty of those out there
good looking lever gun, I'm not a fan of the look nor feel of big loops, but that one looks nice and like it might be comfortable to run. definitely not opposed to the loop like I would be for a traditional big loop.
Hello George : I think the Smith & Wesson 44 mag rifle is nice, but I wished that they would offer it in a wood addition rather than just synthetic ! PS. Also in the Blue not only stainless ! Thanks for the video. It was very well done 👍
Hello Hans! Great to hear from you. They did make a finely finished limited edition blued steel with Turkish Walnut variation. But it's limited numbers and very expensive. I suspect they'll get around to something traditional at some point. At least, I hope they do
Historically, Smith & Wesson had almost no part in the development of the lever action rifle. Smith & Wesson left the fledgling lever gun business (Volcanic Firearms) when the business was going bust. Only Oliver Winchester kept his investment in Volcanic which was later renamed and began to be profitable with B. Tyler Henry's lever gun developments.
I'm with you. I thought the historical designation was a little tenuous. But, I also don't have any problem with Smith & Wesson making the historical connection.
Very nice rifle. I own a Marlin 336 in 308 Marlin Express. I have been reloading but have not found a load the rifle likes. If you are familiar with this rifle and caliber can you recommend a powder or a load I could try? Your videos are entertaining and educational. Thx.
Put 60 rounds thru it and it started jamming up on me trying to figure out what is going on with it cleaned it up and it started doing it again after 10 rounds if anyone knows what is going on with it let me know don't know if it is the lifter the ammo or what 🤗🤗🤗?
Ok sir, im gonna need you to turn in your man card or american card, never read the manual first.... Its just good reputation building...lol. I do like the looks, but do they have it in walnut? Im also a fan pf the small loop because my hands collide with the bigger loops. Good video as alway.
@@TargetSuite yeah George that's all I saw too. I mean the polymer stocks make good sense ,but I'm old school and love walnut and blue steal. I will say though, that the stainless with black furniture would make a good paring with my 629.
Great review. Waiting on a solid lever gun in 454. Would prefer if smith would make 1. Since it's smith would expect they would do 460 which would be ok if reliable with 454s
I have this rifle and it is really nice but I also have a Chiappa 44 tactical and a Chiappa 357… I think you should check them out too…. Might be pleasantly surprised.
I like big loop for my short fat fingers and big hands, I prefer iron sights but 65 year old eyes don’t and I am not about to compromise a shot to appear traditional! I am glad to see the inspired lever wars, price to be determined, we have already seen out to lunch prices with the Ruger Marlin.
Thanks for your comment! I've been waiting to hear from one of my brethren up north about this very subject. I know that Hunters have been carrying lever guns up there since the 1800s. And that was before modern insulation. I think all this talk about needing big Loops for big gloves is just a reflection on the nature of the modern Hunter😉
Like you I prefer small loops on my lever guns, not only does it look better, not having all the slop...it functions better for me.
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Seems like a nice rifle but I think for the price, I would prefer the Marlin. I'm a bit prejudiced for Marlin since that's what I grew up shooting my grandfather's Marlin model 36 in 30-30. Back in the 60s, my brothers and I asked him why didn't he own a Winchester and he always said, "Winchester for show, Marlin for go". Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this S&W lever gun.
He has quite the flinch doesn't he.
Not even a hard recoil lol
As to the flinch, guilty as charged!
Love the small loops on my levers, they work fine for me even with medium weight gloves. Another great video!!!
Thanks for your comment! Seems like the small Loop fans are ruling the roost so far.
I'm appreciative of the small loop.
Yep. Small loop is a touch faster and doesn't beat up the back of your hand as bad. Bigger loops are great for hunting in the cold but not as much fun to shoot.
Me too.
I agree, the trend towards large loops is frustrating. I cut, bent and re-welded the lever loop on a Rossi ranch hand to make it into a small loop, it's a lot of work but in the end it's more compact, it handles better and it looks better!
Any you keyboard warrior actually hunt in the north with gloves when it zero out wind howling you’ll understand
I saw that one and held it. It felt okay. I’m not big into the synthetic stock and their wood stock one is insanely priced. I ended up with the Marlin 1894 SBL.
I bet that's a beauty. I'm thinking about ordering one from Ruger for review.
@@TargetSuite do it. It’s a beautiful rifle and I may get a can for mine! Fit and finish is exactly what I’ve cone to expect from Ruger
Well George, it's a standard loop for me. Great to watch you have fun with a gun! Lever guns to boot!!
I would second your opinion.
Good video.
With a lever action, you may have to find a load that will feed. A lot of them are very fussy. The 44 Magnums will generally feed the JHP and JSP loads OK. In 44 Special, most of mine would feed the 44 Special with any bullet type. The cast RNFP Cowboy bullets are made to feed in a lever rifle. YMMV.
dropped a deer at 45 yards with my new S&W .44 this year. the deer confirmed it works. lol. carry on and keep practicing your skills.
Thanks for another great video. And I prefer the smaller loop myself because I live in Mississippi. You’re right we don’t need gloves down here and I could work that smaller lever faster than the bigger one.😊 especially if I got more than one hog coming after me or trying to get away
Thanks for your comment. And mind those Hogs!
What part of Mississippi. I'm from Wilkinson County
In Wisconsin, when cold, we don’t usually wear “gloves” when very cold. It’s mittens, usually with liner (wool, either wool glove or more likely a wool mitten). The outer mitten, sometimes called “chopper” will sometimes have lanyard ( usually going up coat sleeve around to the other mitten) so we can pull off mitten and drop it , when we need more dexterity. Because it’s on a lanyard it’s not lost, it just hangs there (and majorly gets in the way, a pain) . The lanyard is old school. Basically we wear what we got. But if
The thicker barrel on the Smith makes a huge difference in heat management vs my other lever 44’s and it does not loose zero when hot like my others, its recoil seems about half, and I don’t notice it feeling much heavier to carry.
Mine’s a keeper, vastly better 44 than any other that I’ve bought/sold in the past.
Thank you for confirming it runs both .44 magnum and .44 special. That was the only hang up I had about buying this rifle.
Hi from France, I am watching your videos for months (years ?), I've a Rossi 1892 with Rossi rail + Vortex Crossfire 2 with 2 MOA dot, ans I made great shots with my reloaded rounds
Great! It's good to hear from a fellow lever gun enthusiast in France!
Quality work here, in editing, in videography, in explanation, just a well made youtube review. NOT bad on the marksmanship either!
I am with you I like the standard loop size better. I come from a very cold climate and I used heavy gloves with my lever gun. While it was a snug fit. I never had an issue, and I wear large gloves. The larger loops just means more discomfort when cycling the action in my opinion, especially when your hands are very cold. Interesting point you mentioned regarding the potential interference between the magazine tube and the m-slot fasteners used to attach accessories. I did not realize that. Thanks for the tip.
I really appreciate your comment. You have validated, from a point of real experience, what I have suspected all along and that is that there really isn't a need for the large loop for the gloved hand. But it certainly has become something that just gets repeated over and over again until everyone believes it must be true.
Well I must really like your videos because I watched it again and I learned even more. Point in case the comb is set up for a optic sight and the iron sights are higher than the Marlin. That said I just wanted to add to my original comment concerning loop sizes. As you know I like the standard loop size. But I like the standard loop so much I have them on all 4 of my lever rifles. My old Marlin in 35 Rem, Winchester 30-30, Henry 44 mag and my Rossi in 357 mag. Keep up the great work George. Who knows I may even watch l the video again sometime. Maybe it's time for a 45-70 lever action. Hmm I will have to think about that.
I prefer the small loop for functionality. The savage 99 lever is my idea of perfection.
I prefer the large lever loops. I have XL size hands and here in the northeast woods, it gets cold during deer season. The other morning it was 20 degrees and about 0 with the wind chill. I love my lever guns and I love my wool hunting gloves!😂
I used to be a fan of Henry till I recently bought a stainless Ruger made Marlin in .45-70, and can't believe the fit and finish.
Amen! If you have an eye for that sort of thing, there really is a difference
Good shooting, nice rifle. S&W is sometimes late to the table, but when they show up they have a very good product for us. They let the other guy invent the wheel, and then they take their time refining and improving that wheel. Nice rifle. I think the large loop is sexy looking, but the hand banging around in it is sort of sloppy. The smaller loop seems to fit the hand better and work more efficiently.
Great video George. The checkering and the removable tube follower remind me of my Henry.
And I am a small lever fan.
I haven't put in enough time to really get used to the medium(?) loop on my Henry .357 carbine, but that smidgen of extra room does let my hand hit a little harder when working the lever. I do like how it looks, probably because I watched The Rifleman too often, LOL. I need to look up some prices, I'll brace myself first.
To each his own. if you are a Ruger/ Marlin snob like myself, buy the Marlin. If you are a Smith and Wesson snob buy the Smith and Wesson. Probably can't go wrong with either Thanks for the reviews!.
Well said!
I also prefer a standard loop. The larger ones seem awkward to me as my had travels in that larger space while cycling the action & the back of my fingers slam uncomfortably on the bottom stroke . I also like the traditional look of a standard loop better. I think the Marlin 1894 is one of the finest rifles ever made excluding the micro groove variants. I've had a number of Micro groove Marlins & standard Ballard type rifling ones as well. The latter has always proved substantially more accurate for me. "Keep em coming George!
Thanks! I really appreciate your comment!
i worked on the assembly lines for these .The lockup seemed to be due to some issue with the gage size and the bolts also there were issues where after we put the spring in for the hammer mechanism the drill would over tighten some of the side screws.
Resolved yet?
@ I since left S&W and shortly after I left they fired everyone on the assembly line and moved the line down to Tennessee from Springfield. Before I left in June they had not resolved it
I’d read these were built in North Carolina.
@@woodybowen5362 production started in Springfield then moved down to Tennessee shortly after the M&P 2.0 FPC line was moved
I really enjoy your videos, you always show me something new that I need. 😂I do appreciate a nice lever gun. I also prefer the large lever loop. Not only for the looks but because every place I've lived requires heavy gloves. Northern Wisconsin and now Alaska.
I'm a traditionalist. Suppressors, picatinny rail and m-lok just don't belong on a lever gun. However, I am glad to see a renewed interest in lever guns, so if there is a market for that, great! Now, that cross-bolt safety is a PITA.
There's no telling how many deer get spooked by that cross bolt safety😄
@@TargetSuite True, or scamper off after hearing the hammer hit the cross-bolt safety because the shooter forgot it was on. The S&W is a new design, so it doesn't offend me as much as the Marlins and Winchesters that have been retrofitted with it.
I feel like the traditional lever guns (blued/wood) look better traditional, while the modern iterations exist precisely for "sporterizing" them, especially because some areas prevent people from using modern arms. Then again, people have been putting scopes on wood-stocked lever guns for a very long time, while others claim it's not traditional. I like Henry's transfer bar style safety, where there's neither a cross-bolt manual safety, nor even a half-cock safety, yet it's perfectly safe still. Arguably that's safer than half-cock, because if you walk around the woods with the half-cocked hammer, it could, theoretically, get caught on some brush and get cocked or dropped. But personally I'd just pay attention.
If you asked John Wayne if would have a scope to see better and a suppressor on it to sound quieter. He would say heckyes!!
@@TargetSuite No telling how many deer are missed by that flinch either! 😆 Trying to decide whether to wait for one of these in .357 mag or go with a Henry. My Marlin 336 in .35 Rem is going to my nephew. Bit too much recoil for me at my age.
I really surprised they didn't also offer it in the 500 mag because of the popularity of their pistol. That would be an awesome pistol and carbine combo
I asked him about the 460 at shot show. As I recall he said they had been thinking about it but that is a pretty high pressure cartridge for this little action. Maybe they'll come up with a larger receiver that can handle those big Whoppers
@@TargetSuite 460 in a rifle barrel is going to be nasty!!! You can already get rifle energies out of a pistol!!! It'll probably be kicking 45-70's butt!!! Insane is the already wild absolute zero out of a pistol, what that would look like out of a rifle is anyone's guess!!!
@@TargetSuite what are your thoughts ballistically speaking on a s&w 460 out of a rifle?
A Marlin action, of any kind, won't contain 60,000psi for more than maybe 20 shots before being beaten so loose it won't close. Same reason you don't see a 454 Casull model.
Browning's 1886 and 1892 designs are significantly stronger, but the 92 is too short to feed anything longer than 454 and the 86 is chambered in much bigger cartridges so 460 would seem pedestrian by comparison.
@@ActionEHamshraershV I was talking about Smith and Wesson designing one that could take it, which they hinted at doing.
Great video George Looks like a ton of fun. Maybe Marlin and Henry will have some competition Haha
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I love their loop and Henry's large loop on the X models like I have. I'd say the medium size. I don't like the model 94 style big loop or the ones on the normal Rossi R92
Thanks!
I have a Winchester 94 ae that came with the John Wayne style large loop lever and as much as I enjoy the Dukes movies I was not a fan of the large loop so I changed it out for a normal size loop and it is 100% better in my opinion.
I'm glad you rescued that gun!
George I hope you and your family are doing well and I sure miss your content and smiling face. Take care of what's important and get those pigs.
I too have never been one to bury my check into a stock comb. Muscle memory tells me when the comb is being held against my cheek in the optimum spot. I always follow the old standard of shouldering the rifle with the eyes closed, then open and see if everything appears as it should.
Let me also add I’m a little surprised S&W didn’t leave an open slot in the removable magazine tube so it can be loaded via either the side gate or from the tube slot. If I’m not mistaken, the newer Henry rifles that offer a side gate and designed in this manner.
The problem with implementing a Henry type solution is that it requires both an inner and an outer magazine tube. That requires a lot of space that is not available with the S&W forend/mlock design.
It’s a really nice rifle super accurate and smooth operation , at first I was trying to get a Marlin but seeing no availability I settled on the 1854 and I do not regret it one bit after shooting it
Well done!
Love that Marlin 1894. 😍
Just got around to watching your review. Excellent review of the S&W 1854! Patterned after the 336 for sure. Nice strong action for handling the heavier 44 loads. Don't care for the mid size large loop levers except on heavier recoiling calibers like 45/70 and 450 Marlin. Wish that S&W would make more 1854's in Walnut and blued steel in the future. At first I didn't think that I'd like the removable mag tube, but it appears to be a solid look on this Marlin "replica". Easy and quick to unload and clean the mag tube. It's way easier to find one on the open market also, unlike the new Ruger Marlins. Thanks for a great look at an apparently great lever action carbine. A belated Happy Memorial Day to you my friend. Carry on!
Great video i recent got a rossi r95 30-30 pretty good gun
Sweet!
That was a great video on the S&W lever 44 mag. I don't know if I'd buy one. I still like the wood furniture on a rifle, I guess I'm just too old school. Take Care and Be Safe.
Amen on being old school. But I think this gun is clearly aimed at a younger market and as such it's really a nice blend of traditional lines with more modern features. I think it will be a big seller for Smith & Wesson.
I have a soft spot for the Marlin 1894 44 mag since thatʻs what I dad got me when I was 16 years old. That was back in 1976, and I still have it. I also along the way picked up and old 1946 vintage Marlin model 36 in 30-30 with a square bolt, a Winchester 94AE Trapper in 357 magnum, a Taurus model 62LAR in 22LR, and a Montgomery Ward M79 (Mossberg 472) in 30-30. I have peep sights on all except the Monkey Ward due to no peeps available, but it gave me an excuse to scope it. I also have a Daisy model 10 BB gun for popping mice too, do they count? They all have wood stocks. I put a earlier half-cock hammer on my 94AE. Hard to get used to anything else. Old dog, new tricks.
I get it. I'm an old dog as well!
I like the medium loop on my new Marlin 1894. They did a really nice job of rounding the edges of the loops, both standard and medium size. Both work for me, but I prefer the medium size because I can push forward with my hand instead of down and around. YMMV
This S&W looks so much like a Marlin 336/1895 action. I have a Rossi R-95 that I put “modern” furniture on. I don’t see much ointment to the MLok slots unless you want a hand stop on the underside. I guess someone else might want to mount a light …
finally picked this up in blued/wood 45 colt. officially owning ruger/marlin, henry and now s&w lever guns. the henry edges them out in overall quality. the wood is also noticeably better. others look like some poplar from the home depot.
I agree. Henry won me over vs. Marlin due to the front and side loading, better bolt, plus overall better balance of design… modern yet classic.
Congratulations. You have the only S&W 1854 available in .45 Colt.
The Big loop levers suck imho. Nice job showing the new Smith lever !
Awesome video!!! Saw that flinch when you forgot the safety on lol
Oh yes! That flinch is just part of who I am. I don't know how I get shots on Steel😉
@@TargetSuite lol at least you're still hitting lol. The funniest part of this whole video is that I've been raised my whole life in the Smith and Wesson vs Ruger argument about Ruger being beefier and Smith being more refined, but here we have a Ruger made marlin and it's the more refined and lighter built gun and the Smith and Wesson is the beefier more robust gun!!! Total role reversal!!! Lol 😆
That is funny!
@@TargetSuite I wish I didn't live so far away from you, because if you did you would be the coolest guy to hang out with!!! I'm only in my 30's but I can't abide most people my age, and I love learning about firearms and nature, and people my age are only starting to get half as good as the OG's like yourself, but I have learned even after 31 years of owning and shooting guns and almost as long hunting that I don't know half as much as I think I do!!! Also you're experience with life gives you a unique viewpoint that is tempered by experience, and that is a valuable thing!!! If I had one friend like you I wouldn't need more!!! Anyways I don't get out as much anymore due to being disabled(tore my spinal cord) but I do get out a bit and pretend to hunt!!! 😜 I really appreciate your perspectives, and willingness to share your love of the outdoors!!! And for all that long windedness..... Thank you!!!
As much as I try to be transparent and honest with my viewers, the "unedited" version of me, and all RUclipsrs for that matter, is never as cool, nice, or fun to hang around with, as they appear in video form.
I have a Winchester M94 with the standard size lever and I love it. John Wayne and Chuck Connor used the over size lever, but they were stars. I’m a commoner and have no use for the over size lever.
That's a really helpful review, George. You make some excellent observations. I'm hoping that S&W will offer this in other calibers relatively soon.
From now on, you can use a scale indicating the comfort level of the stock as it relates to your cheek. The scale can go from zero to ten. Each indicator will be demarked by a wine bottle, or in your case, a "whine" bottle. The fewer bottles, the more comfortable. Exceptionally uncomfortable cheek welds can go as high as eleven. There's a pun in there somewhere about "putting a cork in it," but I'll leave that to someone far more qualified. :))
Tom, I believe you're "divine" cartridge is on the horizon. And, I love your whine-o-meter suggestion😄
@@TargetSuite Even more fun if the bottles start out full as long as handled responsibly. :)
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Nice. It has everthing I'm looking for in a truck rifle. Cant beat SS for durability in the elements. Thanks for your review.
I love the medium loop lever. I ordered one from RPP to replace the lever on a Marlin 1894 and it jammed the action up. Had to send it back. Bummer.
I took that very 1894 over to RPP for them to take a look at. The difference is ever so slight but just enough that their lever lever doesn't fit. I put one on my Ruger-made Marlin Guide Gun and it is perfect!
The price wasn't as much as I expected, i guess S&W is wanting to compete with Ruger Marlin on pricing. They're definitely aiming to reach the tactical accessories fans.
Gotta says 'thanks' George. I'm glad I'm not the only one that has the odd flinch on a dry fire 🙂
Yes, we are all more human than we would like to admit. But, somehow, I am able to still get most of my shots on target. Go figure😉
@@TargetSuite Meant to ask you George, did that heavier looking bbl feel heavy to you?
I prefer the medium loop on my levers. I found of you run it like a pump with a forward push instead of a downward throw it's smoother to operate, lightning fast and you get no knuckle slap.
Standard loop. Even though, some you can't get a glove in they just look so much better. On a stainless, pic rail, plastic gun it doesn't matter. To me any one of those has deleted style. I guess I'd call it the classic look. Wood and deep blue.
Amen, Mark!
It's only a matter of time before someone puts knuckle spikes on the loop of one of these modern lever guns, to make it look "post-apocalyptic."
Haha! Boy that would "trigger" some folks!
Thx for the great video. Looks like we need a comparison video with more lever guns. Perhaps a Henry, and a JM stamped Marlin if one can be found. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on all of those leverguns. And more if they can be found and acquired.
It's a great idea. I'll work on that concept.
I like when people leave in the attempted firing and forgetting the safety on. I leave that in my videos too! Nice rifle, I would get one ... we have several lever guns here and this would be a dandy!
Being honest (transparent) seems to work best for me😉
Looks like a lot fun. But like you I really like the look and feel of the traditional wood make lever actions. I guess if you are using your rifle in harsh, wet conditions the plastics and stainless make sence.
Hi Don. Guilty as charged it because it is a ton of fun. But actually, for hunting gun I think some of the dark series rifles being offered by Marlin and Henry might be a better option just because they are not so bright and shiny. I'm going to talk about that in a video coming up comparing the Marlin Trapper 45-70 with the Marlin Dark 45-70.
Hey buddy it's been awhile since you've put anything out. Are y'all doing ok? I enjoy your content and miss it. God bless.
Preferred round for deer hunting?
Full length, comprehensive video on that very question coming up in a few weeks.
I have 5 lever guns and it's nice to see that there is no waning of interest in these guns. Just all around fun guns. BTW I am also a small loop guy
A lot of fun, for sure!
Looks like it works real well. Being a Marlin guy the coolest is a 336 in 44 mag and yes they made a limited run.
You are right about the 44 Magnum 336. Unfortunately, it was difficult for Marlin to make that short cartridge work in that long action. So, it didn't last long. But if you've got one that works well.. oh my!
George, are you doing alright?
I bought last Week a Winchester 1892 Carbine .357 but this S&W is a nice Rifle too
I love my Winchester 1892s. I need to give them some more love on the channel.
Style Points!!
It's all about the Style Points.
I prefer the Marlin, but the S&W is a great looking gun. Plus the barrell is a bit larger.
Yes. That Barrel is really a standout. And I think it helps control muzzle flip quite a bit.
My buddies was sent back after the 3rd round. Still waiting on the issue and the fix
I'm not at all surprised. Building a lever gun is difficult and nothing finds weak points quite like getting it out into the public domain. If you watch the videos I posted on that Marlin 44 magnum you may remember that the forearm band screw was snapping. Through that video I heard of two other people who had the same problem. Just working through the issues in manufacturing.
Thanks for another great video, George.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for stopping by!
Medium to larger loop all day long when i used leverguns in western montana and central Idaho.
Because of the sub-zero winters, I'm guessing.
Yeas, winters and large hands
Looks like a well designed rifle . Does it feel front heavy or well balanced , noting the heavy barrel . Most of my rifles have heavy barrels
but most of the time I shoot from a rest . Great video and looks like a great rifle . You have a blessed one .
Hi Spencer. It does balance about an inch farther forward than the Marlin 1894, right after your hand gets up on the forend.
All my guns are tactical black but this still got my attention. Only thing I'd add to it would be a good, unmagnified red dot.
For real-life usage I prefer the small loop. It is slightly faster, slightly more compact, and looks slightly better, without actually precluding the use of gloves. A big loop lets you spin the rifle about your fingers with the lever down and action open though. So there's that.
sure do miss my brother in Christ hope all is well. looking for some great videos soon. God bless , ricky
Mine will not cycle certain brands. I wondered if they were all like that or if I needed to send it back?
Very nice gun! Looks well built!
Yes, it is very well built. It should sell well especially among younger shooters who like a more modern approach to the lever gun.
The loop on my father's 336w is perfect for him. It's a bit cramped for me, I can only get the two fingers in comfortably. The biggest loop is a bit much. There's a middle ground sized one that's perfect for me.
I prefer the standard loop. Can live with the medium loop, but I'm not a fan of the large loop. All of those are represented in my lever rifle collection.
Great video George. Sold me on the Marlin😂
Haha! I hope Smith and Wesson doesn't read your comment.
I prefer the curved lever like a 336. The oblong lever on the 54, in my opinion, beats both Henry levers big and small, on those uncomfortable (for me) straight stocks. Iam really hoping I can get an 1854 in 45 colt. Thanks for a great review!
Thanks for your comment. As you can see from that one segment I'll hold the lever with my pinky outside the loop. That provides for a more curved approach from my wrist. Of course this is a curved grip but by doing that on a straight stock it allows a more comfortable grip for me. As for your wish of a 45 Colt version, I believe that is on the horizon along with a version in 357 Magnum.
hope all is well. hope to hear from you soon, take care.
My vote would be for the 'normal' or 'regular sized' lever loop, for my gloved sized hand.
By the way George, I came looking for you review on this S&W lever rifle as for some unknown reason, I have not been getting your videos of late. I am subscribed and I have clicked the bell for 'All', so we'll see what happens soon.
Haven't heard from you in a few months I hope y'all are doing well.
Honestly I would prefer wood stocks. I do appreciate their execution of the design. Thanks for another great video!
Thanks for watching and thank you for your comment! And like you, I do appreciate woodstocks and blued steel.
What lever gun do you like better? I know the calibers are different but do you like the Marlin Trapper or the Smith & Wesson? Also are you getting the cheek issue with the Trapper? Awesome video, I am going to purchase my 1st lever gun soon. Thank you
The 1895 Trapper is a heavier gun even with a 4-in shorter barrel. So, from that perspective I would prefer my pistol caliber lever gun to be more like the Smith & Wesson 1894. But of course Marlon also offers the Trapper model in a pistol caliber as well. So lots to consider there. As to the cheek issue, I've never had that on any other Centerfire rifle, just on a shotgun.
It's been a month, time for a new vid! On that thought...I've seen a vid & read some comments that some of the Henry .357 rifles (rifles isn't redundant since Henry makes a .357 revolver) have accuracy issues. I haven't shot mine enough, esp at decent distances, to test it.
Good video! I am not a fan of the over sized lever or loop. I like how Henry gives you an option on that. But I would love to have a Winchester 92 like John Wayne's some day! I am not sure if I would buy one yet , I wonder if it is available in a blued version.
There is a blue version but it's a limited edition high polish Turkish Walnut gun, very expensive. I think the next two offerings are going to be the same gun chambered in 357 Magnum and 45 Colt.
Prefer the smaller loop on my my vintage lever guns but i like the large loop on my henry Big Boy brass .357 carbine. The Rossi .357 stainless Laminate model from last year has the large loop and I like that also.
I get that bringing out a .44mag makes sense due to its popularity in other lever guns.
But what we want is for S&W to make us a 460 and 500mag lever guns!
I'm with you 100%! And, I talked to the engineer at the Smith & Wesson booth during Shot Show and asking that very question. I don't remember his exact words, but it was something like they're thinking about it.
Four months. George, I hope all is well with you, or if not at least manageable.
I looked at one of these in my local gunshop and The one I saw was terrible. The loading gate was so scratched up had I not know the rifle was supposed to be new I would have figured it was a used model. The receiver was also scratched for 1000 dollars it was an easy pass for me I'll wait and get a marlin 1894, or a henry.
A fun video with a modern upgrade to the venerable lever gun.
I agree with the modern take on the lever gun. And I appreciate that Smith & Wesson didn't go all out to make it tacti-cool. There's already plenty of those out there
good looking lever gun, I'm not a fan of the look nor feel of big loops, but that one looks nice and like it might be comfortable to run. definitely not opposed to the loop like I would be for a traditional big loop.
For some reason, this oversized Loop was more pleasant to use than any others that I have tried. So you may be onto something there.
Hello George :
I think the Smith & Wesson 44 mag rifle is nice, but I wished that they would offer it in a wood addition rather than just synthetic !
PS. Also in the Blue not only stainless !
Thanks for the video. It was very well done 👍
Hello Hans! Great to hear from you. They did make a finely finished limited edition blued steel with Turkish Walnut variation. But it's limited numbers and very expensive. I suspect they'll get around to something traditional at some point. At least, I hope they do
Classy gentleman, great and clear explanations.... Subscribed.
Thanks! I appreciate the sub and the comment!
I’m still a fan of Henry for quality, design, and performance. I’ll give S&W a look when they release a 357mag version.
yes do you know when that will be?
Not yet. I have the Henry in .357. It is amazing with proven reliability. Check it out if you can't wait.
@@AllCreaturesCount i have an all weather big boy 357 but not a fan of tne 20" barrel and weight
I have that one as well. It is nice but, yes, a little longer and heavier. I love how it looks and shoots though. :)
@@AllCreaturesCount i agree
I have a henry big boy and I like the small lever on it
Awesome! Thanks!
Historically, Smith & Wesson had almost no part in the development of the lever action rifle. Smith & Wesson left the fledgling lever gun business (Volcanic Firearms) when the business was going bust. Only Oliver Winchester kept his investment in Volcanic which was later renamed and began to be profitable with B. Tyler Henry's lever gun developments.
I'm with you. I thought the historical designation was a little tenuous. But, I also don't have any problem with Smith & Wesson making the historical connection.
I think they just couldn't allow Ruger to get most of the market to themselves :)
Very nice rifle. I own a Marlin 336 in 308 Marlin Express. I have been reloading but have not found a load the rifle likes. If you are familiar with this rifle and caliber can you recommend a powder or a load I could try? Your videos are entertaining and educational. Thx.
Put 60 rounds thru it and it started jamming up on me trying to figure out what is going on with it cleaned it up and it started doing it again after 10 rounds if anyone knows what is going on with it let me know don't know if it is the lifter the ammo or what 🤗🤗🤗?
Ok sir, im gonna need you to turn in your man card or american card, never read the manual first.... Its just good reputation building...lol. I do like the looks, but do they have it in walnut? Im also a fan pf the small loop because my hands collide with the bigger loops. Good video as alway.
Haha! They do offer it in Walnut but it's a limited edition expensive variation. My guess is they'll eventually come out with a traditional package.
@@TargetSuite yeah George that's all I saw too. I mean the polymer stocks make good sense ,but I'm old school and love walnut and blue steal. I will say though, that the stainless with black furniture would make a good paring with my 629.
That would be a handsome combo!
Guess I like the traditional loop size, since my newest lever gun is a 1964 Marlin 336.... BTW what is the weight on the S&W without a scope?
The 1854 is 6.8# vs 6.4# for the Marlin 1894.
I am old, I prefer the wood and blued steel look of the Marlin with iron sights.
Amen!
Well, you're in luck. SW has this same exact rifle in high grade walnut stock, and PVD (painted) barrel and receiver, for a measly $3850
Yes and I'm hoping they come out with a traditional version as well. If they are really all in on this whole lever gun craze I'm sure they will.
Great review. Waiting on a solid lever gun in 454. Would prefer if smith would make 1. Since it's smith would expect they would do 460 which would be ok if reliable with 454s
I have this rifle and it is really nice but I also have a Chiappa 44 tactical and a Chiappa 357… I think you should check them out too…. Might be pleasantly surprised.
I like big loop for my short fat fingers and big hands, I prefer iron sights but 65 year old eyes don’t and I am not about to compromise a shot to appear traditional!
I am glad to see the inspired lever wars, price to be determined, we have already seen out to lunch prices with the Ruger Marlin.
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I Live in Alberta and I still prefer the original lever.Puts your trigger finger in a better position.
Thanks for your comment! I've been waiting to hear from one of my brethren up north about this very subject. I know that Hunters have been carrying lever guns up there since the 1800s. And that was before modern insulation. I think all this talk about needing big Loops for big gloves is just a reflection on the nature of the modern Hunter😉
Hello target hope all is well, seen you have been away for 3+ month. May i ask you a question?