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Thank you that! It was amazing. Side note tho, I couldn't find it in the credits but is it possible to get the music that played in said credits? Supa Thanks!
I always played Brutal Legend on PS3 is basically my favorite game on the console for me even till this day sadly my PS3 is destroyed I was hoping it would be on PS4 and PS5 but it's not
the production quality of these video chat interviews has gotten really good. Although i'm sure listening to Tim Schafer tell stories over any medium is going to be entertaining no matter what.
@@koyima So true, while Tim is still at the behest of neon haired narcissists - Notch is not giving a fuck shitposting on Twitter. Tim would be seething if he was still in possession of his balls.
To this day, brutal legend is one of my favourite games. It was exactly as Tim described, a game that I didn’t know I needed in my life until I played it. It honestly was the start to my heavy metal obsession
Not my favorite, wouldnt even make a list of my favorites, but i do think of it as fondly as any of my favorites. I think i can say that about every double fine game. I cant look back on them and remember anything but joy.
About the Grim Fandango part, to be honest the "cultural appropiation" thing is an American thing, im from México and we love seeing our culture being represented, i love Grim Fandango, Guacamelee, Amingo etc... dont stop the great work
There's a difference though between lovingly representing a culture, and just using a culture without understanding it at all. To put it simply, cultural appropriation is misrepresentation rather than representation! I think what America struggles with (and most countries for that matter) Is walking that fine line between respecting a culture and doing something new with it. I'm glad many games like the one's you've mentioned have managed to do that in a way you're happy with :)
Agree. Every time the concept pops up its from some American outlet. In Europe we just call that being a dick, which conveniently also applies to a lot of other situations besides culture related stuff. That's our modus operandi, as long as you aren't being a dick about it, just indulge in whatever creative endeavour you want hahahaha
You can't actually "appropriate" culture. You can spread it and adopt it, of course, and you can poorly represent it. Culture is going to mutate as it leaves the boundaries of the place it originates anyway. Even within similar ethnic groups, folklore and even language will change dramatically. Do your research, don't be racist, and everyone's culture is yours to enjoy. People don't make art to horde it in a bubble.
All the crap Tim gets and this just shows how much he cares about everything. He named everyone who led each product. Not many leaders/bosses have that ability. To be so proud of your team's accomplishments that it leaves a permanent memory in your brain is something else. Not to mention his personal biggest accomplishment wasn't a highest grossing game, it was a game directed at making kids happy and enjoy themselves. Anyone who says Tim is a bad guy needs to watch this.
now that psychonauts 2 is out we can see the effort and the dedication and the talent as one of the best games out this year for me at least. it's just so enjoyable it's a very mature game wrapped in colourful platforming that is more like an interactive dream or trip. Tim seems like a decent guy but I think it's the team that deserves the credit here.
45:10 "Keep the videos under 4 minutes and don't do physical rewards. It's Fine" Got a big laugh out of me cause of all the indie funded projects I've seen over the years. We Launched the game! 2 years later still no signed blowup doll of the main character. lol
What a great start to the holiday! I had the privilege of meeting Tim Schafer at Pax West 2019, he's such an insightful man that has made some incredible work. Always love to hear his insights about storytelling and game design. Thanks for this Noclip, have a Merry Christmas!
Tim, his creativity, and his writing have given me endless joy since I first began playing games, and I'm so glad that he's continued to work in the industry and inspire so many.
As a Mexican I approve of Grim Fandango, not cultural appropriation at all. I don't think people should limit their creativity because of some abstract concept as "cultural appropriation", but the best way to do it is to always stay true to the folklore like Tim and his team did here.
i saw somewhere that said cultural appropriation is technically a neutral term, but its how that culture is shown that makes it positive or negative, which is honestly what i prefer to "u can never think about any other culture outside of ur own"
@@iwakeupandboomimarat It's all western nonsense. No one is upset about it besides unhappy people in the west, that have nothing better to do than to start fights, make everyone hate each other and complain. Don't give it any mind.
48:40 actually made me want to cry a little. It's so great to hear that Microsoft acquired companies that I cared about and won't be wasting them the way EA does.
@@tmack729 Don't be a child. If you absolutely can't stand other people thinking different things you can at least learn to separate the art from the artist. Don't pretend like the artist never existed at all and diminish their talent.
Just because his infiniminer clone got lucky that doesn't make him an artist, or a god. I'm all for respectfully engaging with philosophies & opinions I disagree with. But supporting qanon (an example of an actual thing he did) isn't just "thinking different things", it's thinking incorrect, false, damaging things and spreading them to a platform of young, impressionable people. Such as yourself, perhaps. So yeah, if my child asks who made Minecraft I won't be letting them know.
@@tmack729 I never claimed Notch was omnipotent, nor is he specifically an artist. He is an artist by the standard usage of the term which applies to practically anyone who engages in some creative pursuit, which is more flippant than I'd like it to be tbh but arguments for the preservation of language typically don't go anywhere these days. I keep seeing people crying about qanon and I really just have to say I can't be bothered to give a fuck. Wow, people want to investigate paedophilia in government and institutions of power? How awful and conspiratorial, you're not supposed to ever question something the FBI confirmed themselves in black and white is a real thing which has been going on since the 60s. If you want to make an argument about something which is actually fallacious then for the sake of it I'll propose for a moment that Notch is a flat earther - I don't give a fuck. He still made the game, it's still his idea, his effort and thus the credit belongs to him. If you have so little confidence in your skills as a parental figure or think so little of your child that you believe they'll become an indoctrinated lemming then maybe you should look more at yourself than what other people are perfectly allowed to do in their own time as their own personal interests. So again, don't be a child. And don't try to force your political or philosophical beliefs on your children either, that's kind of despicable if you could step outside your bubble for a moment and only breeds resentment.
When Brutal Legend came out it made perfect sense, it was from the guy behind games that touched on so many metal themes - bikes, death and the macabre, and there was a definite emo/punk feel around Psychonauts so it's odd hearing Tim talk about being worried about revealing himself as a metal fan, I guess fans of his games could tell he was probably into that. We need a sequel!
Watching this, I'm reminded of just how much of my life has had Tim Schafer in the background, peering creepily at me from behind my monitor. I played all those old SCUMM/Lucasarts games when they were released. I played Psychonauts into the freaking ground, long after getting all the achievements. Broken Age, Headlander, The Cave, etc all have hallowed places in my Steam library. I live in the same area he's from too. Maybe I'm the creepy stalker!?
Tim has such a talent not only creative talent, but the ability to bring people together to create these amazing unique games. I met the voice actress for Lili, Nicki Rapp, she's so lovely & witty! I look forward to Psychonauts 2!
The more I learn about game development back in the day, the more I realize how much of a miracle it is that anything cool came out at all. Either you had to try to stay independent and get a big publisher to distribute your game, or hope that your publisher you were under was so mismanaged that they didn't even know you were making a game until you'd gone gold.
Man, I swear the whole DoubleFine team and Tim Schafer himself are soooooo inspiring and legendary in a way that you don't believe that this kind of creative, hardworking and friendly gamedev company still exists in our times and in our society %) Had an absolutely pleasant time listening to this, thank you for making this talk happen!
@@Maveric My guess is EA have ownership in some regard to the IP as they published it. If they want to do another i'd imagine they need their approval :(
That was so fun to watch. I've been a fan of DoubleFine since the Psychonauts days on the original xbox, and man, the past few years they've made a lot of smaller games I haven't touched yet. But as others have said, he/they mysteriously left out Spacebase DF-9. :P
Oh and side note Ron Gilbert is such a fascinating character, I would love to see one of these with him (especially because he seems to not talk about the Humongous days in too much detail normally)
Creating the 5th worst-reviewed Steam game is definitely not Double Fine's proudest achievement but it would have been super cool if Tim at least mentioned SpaceBase DF-9 and what went wrong.
This man has worked on many of the games that defined me as an artist, a gamer and a now, as a professional. I grew up playing Monkey Island and especially Full Throttle with my stepdad. He litteraly taught me how to boot up his dos computer and we would play these games with hot cocoa every saturday morning. He was like a father to me. Right before he passed, I showed him the Full Throttle remaster. He loved it. I think he was surprised how I still remembered it so fondly, since I was like eight years old at the time. To this day, I'm still unable to return to those precious old LucasArts titles made by Schafer and his peers, as they are too difficult to experience. One day though, I'll gladly return to them with my own kid. Thank you, Tim.
Yeah, it's frustrating that NoClip seems to be about showcasing ths history of things but only the history that doesn't involve their guests have to answer difficult questions.
He tried to avoid it. That part where he was talking about distrust from people, he avoided mentioning because it was from the failure of it. There’s no issue with failure, it all happens to us, but avoiding talking about it is pretty poor form.
Interestingly it can be purchased in a bundle with another game of theirs called 'Hack 'n' Slash', which also seems to be mediocre and unfinished. Now, abandoning your projects is one thing, but to keep selling them like normal is just wrong. - They could just bundle them in with other games like "bonus games that we didn't finish and you can try out" or something. Or just put them aside or move them to another developer or whatever. - "Spacebase" seems like it could still be great, but I don't know what happened at the time they let it go and thus why. - But they don't NEED to sell these games at all, actually, cause they're clearly not their money-makers.
@@PXAbstraction - Yea, and one thing that's interesting about things like projects and careers and companies is also the down-sides and what happens and how to deal with them and so forth. - People could actually learn from it. - And it's fine that a documentary or video shows highlights and whatnot, but it would definitely be a lot more interesting to go in-depth with more problematic stuff rather than just hitting some bullet-points. - I mean like how Tim here talks about some games and their challenges at length a bit more, but some games he glosses over. - And I know this was just an interview with him going through all they've gone in general, but I think almost each game could have its own (mini-)documentary.
Double Fine is always one of my favorite studios, You can tell that they are a group of amazing artists who are passionate about their work. Also I cant wait for Psychonauts 2!
From a creative standpoint, I think Double Fine's Amnesia Fortnight is the best idea a game developer could ever do. Not only does it help create several small, indie games (and brilliant ones at that), but it creates new potential creative voices. EVERYONE on the team gets to pitch and God only knows what you'll hear. I'd honestly love if more game developers did something similar. Split their large team into smaller groups and give them more freedom to create something small and unique.
Tim Schafer is amazing. Grew up on a lot of his games, I'm sure they had a big effect on the weirdo I am today :) Love his charisma, passion and energy, can't wait to play Psychonauts 2 and hopefully more wacky games in the future.
" Whatever you think about him" Such a dumb, weaselly introduction. What does that even mean (rhetoric question to highlight the pointlessness, no real interest). Totally boneheaded.
@@sauce-k5359 he's a fairly controversial person online as the video mentions, eg he attacked minority groups that were complaining about gaming industry corruption at GDC
@@mikemaccana Funny way of saying that he joked about the proven fact that gamergaters used socket puppet accounts to pretend minorities supported them. That's not controversial unless you're a gamergater.
I was really interested in story behind Spacebase DF-9 development. But it's the only game he didn't even mentioned. Currently Spacebase DF-9 has a 18% user score on steam.
Spacebase seems kind of a sad story. They ran out of money to continue developing it after initial early access sales died down and the studio made the decision to wrap it early as it seems they couldn't afford to sink more money into it, so the lead designer on it was kinda left holding the bag... since he had more or less promised further development (or at least a roadmap of plans for future stuff) in good faith but ultimately he was overruled and had his game unceremoniously discontinued. He left the company after.
Yeah, they shouldn't have left that out, that's part of the story. Also Hack & Slash, DF's forays into early access didn't turn out to be their most successful products. Hack & Slash was so buggy I never finished it. :(
@@ninjadodovideos Yeah, that was sad. I get the impression that JP LeBreton was re-hired though, you occassionally get a glimpse of his presence from the Psychonauts 2 updates. So, that's nice. ^^
I never realized how much of DFs output I've consumed and been excited over. I still remember it being a bit of a coup when Brutal Legend released and was an RTS. Tim is such a soft spoken icon while DF has been part of massive and impactful points of the industry.
Is it just me or does Tim look a lot like Bobby Moynihan with that beard, i would actually have a hard time distinguishing them from each other if you had a side by side picture of the both of them.
I long for the day when a point-and-click adventure game with the quality and presentation of Grim Fandango or Full Throttle make its return. Alas, that day may never comes.
Only a truly good person could get dragged through all the brutality of this industry and come out smiling and optimistic about the future. Tim is a real hero and I want to give him a cuddle.
Damn, he worked with the guy who worked on Pajama Sam.... That was one of the first games I had ever played growing up. Crazy. I didn't realize how long he has been in the industry and his accomplishments. Great Doc as always Noclip! Happy Holidays.
Another awesome video, Danny. I loved hearing Tim talk about his perspective with selling to Microsoft. I hadn't thought about it that way. I also loved how the video was mostly Tim just talking. I could listen to him talk forever.
Tim Shafer is class in a glass. So enjoyable to listen to. It's funny to hear him talk about the whole RTS fiasco with Brutal Legend. Also how it's ironic that Tim talks about the kinect game giving him the most joy to work on, for a piece of tech that not a lot of end users got a lot of joy out of using. 😂Love it
I love his vision but hated the RTS of Brutal Legend. I wanted more world exploration and action stuff with a kick ass sound track. Good for him sticking to his guns on developing what he envisioned but I am sad that there likely will never be a BL2
He forgot Massive Chalice! Brad Muir must be seething right now. Also missing Hack n Slash and Spacebase DF9. I know the latter one especially is probably one of their most controversial titles, but it would've been interesting to have Tims perspective on their two early access ventures.
Ok that's it, I'm starting a Brutal Legend 2 movement. This game was so cool and unique, it's a damn shame it didn't sell well considering the passion that got into it. It also left so many unanswered questions in the end.
Hmm, this interview made me sad actually. Especially with the Kickstarter part, it is clear that the dream of independent publishing has completely died out. And with that ending with Double Fine signing up with Microsoft in part for fear of being a victim of the streaming/streaming-like services shows the future to come for gaming. More consolidation, more DRM, less ownership of games, more part of the pie going to suits and shareholders instead of proper developers. Let's hope CDProject recovers from the Cyberpunk fiasco, GOG is the only platform that gives me some hope right now.
@@aolson1111 ???, I want CDProject to do well because they are the company behind GOG, which is the only online store with a commitment to DRM-free games.
...well. This was a delightful little gift to find after a rather unfortunate morning. Thanks very much to Mr. Schaefer and the folks at Noclip. This really helped a lot.
Tim's a great creator but Double Fine kickstarted a game, used the money to make half a game, then made another Kickstarter to finish the other half of the game. It's little surprise they faced backlash.
@@kilgoreplumbus1360 yeah, the way he spun that as him being a victim of some grand conspiracy that all the customers he screwed over somehow became republican politicians? Wtf man...
@@messiahmozgus Tim isn't off the mark there. Tim got attacked a lot because he positioned himself against all the misogynism that came to the forefront with GamerGate. Gosh, that was some time ago!
@@ameddayr that's a cute narrative you crafted. Shame it's BS. There was zero gender component to gamergate. It was about critics being bribed to shill for crap games and they got caught red handed. And even if your claim wasn't BS, Tim is a male....so....
@@messiahmozgus yeah, he is a male and stood up against all the bullshit. gamergate was all about stopping women and minorites from "ruining" of video games, the rest was pretense. gamergate made 8chan happen, and 8chan was a breeding ground for the alt-right. i was there, no need to gaslight me.
This guy's mind is so chaotic, I love it. He jumps from thought to thought so quickly, it must be havoc trying not to add every feature he must think up.
if i end up getting a job in the industry at some point, double fine is where i really wanna end up working. thanks for this doc, i could listen to tim talk for hours lol
34:29 "Justin Bailey was our biz-dev guy at the time,' - Holy crap, that's the name of the password in the original Metroid on NES that gave you all the powerups straight from the get go. It's an infamous passcode, kind of like Konami code but for Metroid fans, and no-one knows its origin. I mean, I know that the chances of a 'Justin Bailey' actually existing was...probable? But yeah, if you want to explore a rabbit hole look up Justin Bailey Metroid.
I don't know much about DF other than the first Psychonauts which I nabbed for free off Humble Bundle. Played it, finished it, loved it. Can't wait for 2 in 2021.
Funny, I was thinking you should do a DOS or Sierra video and the next moment later Tim mentions Quest for Glory with the name change from Hero's Quest. Great video, never really got into Tim's recent games but I have obviously (to me, not knowing then but watching this I now know) played some of his older ones. Thank you for another awesome video!
There’s a great lesson to be learned about managing your visions and own desires, and making the decisions that are better for the people around you. If Double Fine had not adapted and scaled to the digital market after Brutal Legend, I’m pretty sure their story ends there - and there won’t be a Psychonauts 2 later down the line.
lmao at Notch having two billion dollars of MS money and not financing Psychonauts 2, like wtf man. If I was Notch id have already burned all that money in weird videogames.
Brutal Legend is one of my favorite games of all times and its criminal that we didn't get numerous sequels to it. The RTS stuff in the campaign kind of comes out of left field, but it works great. Game probably would have been received better today, as genre blending is a lot more common now.
One of the best answers to the copyright trolls or obsessed suers is: "Thank you for you email! Indeed, there could be an issue, as we don't want anyone who hears about our game to search it on the internet and accidentally get to know your company or products. We will change the name and guarantee your anonymity that you enjoyed so far."
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Thank you that! It was amazing. Side note tho, I couldn't find it in the credits but is it possible to get the music that played in said credits? Supa Thanks!
pleaseeee, could you guys make an interview to David Wise @David_Wise
or/ Mark Ferrary @Mawkyman? That could be soo cool.
I always played Brutal Legend on PS3 is basically my favorite game on the console for me even till this day sadly my PS3 is destroyed I was hoping it would be on PS4 and PS5 but it's not
I would gladly die on an RTS Hill the heavy chance of metal
Lemmy playing StarFox is an incredible image that I didn't know I needed in my brain.
Man he would have LOVED Squadrons.
Well that’s a good incentive to watch
Honestly that was the highlight of this video. Lemmy played Crimson Skies. Did not see that coming.
@@Mordi the fact that Lemmy was a GameCube owner make things even better
Here's Lemmy contemplating the existence of flavored condoms.
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the production quality of these video chat interviews has gotten really good. Although i'm sure listening to Tim Schafer tell stories over any medium is going to be entertaining no matter what.
44:23 you can tell what a nice guy Tim is from how he describes notch's career trajectory.
You mean a guy that doesn't lie to you, because he has fuck off money
@@koyima So true, while Tim is still at the behest of neon haired narcissists - Notch is not giving a fuck shitposting on Twitter. Tim would be seething if he was still in possession of his balls.
"so yea we were working with notch :D... and then it turned out he was a biggot"
@@SMABSO Ssssssure, buddy
@@Todarain Hi Tim, love your games, hate your politics.
To this day, brutal legend is one of my favourite games. It was exactly as Tim described, a game that I didn’t know I needed in my life until I played it. It honestly was the start to my heavy metal obsession
I wasn't even into metal, but that game nearly converted me. Heck I even enjoyed the RTS parts.
It's the only metal-themed game I know that doesn't have to be edgy about it, but just has fun with it. Very refreshing.
He gave me the idea for yearly Brutal Legend marathon streams now.
That's one of my fafourite games as well. It's one of those games no one you know played but you are deeply in love with it^^
Not my favorite, wouldnt even make a list of my favorites, but i do think of it as fondly as any of my favorites. I think i can say that about every double fine game. I cant look back on them and remember anything but joy.
He's really great at telling detailed and interesting stories, definitely hope he comes back and talks some more on the future.
great at asking for kickstarter money and delivering shitty delayed games too
@@heramann6916 And sometimes never deliver at all ...
@@heramann6916 B-b-but he made a good game 20 years ago!
@@heramann6916 I enjoyed Broken Age and Massive Chalice. How were they shitty. Games are delayed all the time DF are just upfront about it.
The hunt for that Monkey Island "special edition" begins! ;)
my exact thoughts! ^^
"Legend of the Dirty Dollar"
plot wist : he just said that to make collectors open the boxes
Everyone looking over at their prized sealed copy of Monkey Island on their shelf: 👀😰
@@devforfun5618 Time to bring out the xrays... Wait shoot, does that damage them...? Crap..
About the Grim Fandango part, to be honest the "cultural appropiation" thing is an American thing, im from México and we love seeing our culture being represented, i love Grim Fandango, Guacamelee, Amingo etc... dont stop the great work
There's a difference though between lovingly representing a culture, and just using a culture without understanding it at all. To put it simply, cultural appropriation is misrepresentation rather than representation! I think what America struggles with (and most countries for that matter) Is walking that fine line between respecting a culture and doing something new with it. I'm glad many games like the one's you've mentioned have managed to do that in a way you're happy with :)
Agree. Every time the concept pops up its from some American outlet. In Europe we just call that being a dick, which conveniently also applies to a lot of other situations besides culture related stuff. That's our modus operandi, as long as you aren't being a dick about it, just indulge in whatever creative endeavour you want hahahaha
Most of us Americans aren't like that, just so you know.
You can't actually "appropriate" culture. You can spread it and adopt it, of course, and you can poorly represent it. Culture is going to mutate as it leaves the boundaries of the place it originates anyway. Even within similar ethnic groups, folklore and even language will change dramatically. Do your research, don't be racist, and everyone's culture is yours to enjoy. People don't make art to horde it in a bubble.
The only person you speak for is yourself, stop pretending there aren't people from mexico bothered by it.
All the crap Tim gets and this just shows how much he cares about everything. He named everyone who led each product. Not many leaders/bosses have that ability. To be so proud of your team's accomplishments that it leaves a permanent memory in your brain is something else. Not to mention his personal biggest accomplishment wasn't a highest grossing game, it was a game directed at making kids happy and enjoy themselves.
Anyone who says Tim is a bad guy needs to watch this.
now that psychonauts 2 is out we can see the effort and the dedication and the talent as one of the best games out this year for me at least. it's just so enjoyable it's a very mature game wrapped in colourful platforming that is more like an interactive dream or trip.
Tim seems like a decent guy but I think it's the team that deserves the credit here.
Yea totally! The whole team DEFINITELY poured a lot of talent, work, and love into that product. It shines in every way.
45:10 "Keep the videos under 4 minutes and don't do physical rewards. It's Fine"
Got a big laugh out of me cause of all the indie funded projects I've seen over the years. We Launched the game! 2 years later still no signed blowup doll of the main character. lol
i'm so so so glad they made psychonauts 2, that game blew my fucking mind, sooooo good, had me in tears a couple of times
What a great start to the holiday! I had the privilege of meeting Tim Schafer at Pax West 2019, he's such an insightful man that has made some incredible work. Always love to hear his insights about storytelling and game design. Thanks for this Noclip, have a Merry Christmas!
I played Grim Fandango when it was first released and it was the best adventure game I've ever played. I'm still waiting for Grim Fandango 2
Tim, his creativity, and his writing have given me endless joy since I first began playing games, and I'm so glad that he's continued to work in the industry and inspire so many.
So with regards to the Dischord label thing, I guess you could say they recieved a... minor threat.
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As a Mexican I approve of Grim Fandango, not cultural appropriation at all. I don't think people should limit their creativity because of some abstract concept as "cultural appropriation", but the best way to do it is to always stay true to the folklore like Tim and his team did here.
i saw somewhere that said cultural appropriation is technically a neutral term, but its how that culture is shown that makes it positive or negative, which is honestly what i prefer to "u can never think about any other culture outside of ur own"
@@iwakeupandboomimarat It's all western nonsense. No one is upset about it besides unhappy people in the west, that have nothing better to do than to start fights, make everyone hate each other and complain. Don't give it any mind.
48:40 actually made me want to cry a little. It's so great to hear that Microsoft acquired companies that I cared about and won't be wasting them the way EA does.
Calling Notch an "interesting, eccentric person on the internet" was very diplomatic.
"Dad, who made Minecraft? "
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nobody son. It came from the sky."
@@tmack729 Don't be a child. If you absolutely can't stand other people thinking different things you can at least learn to separate the art from the artist. Don't pretend like the artist never existed at all and diminish their talent.
Just because his infiniminer clone got lucky that doesn't make him an artist, or a god.
I'm all for respectfully engaging with philosophies & opinions I disagree with. But supporting qanon (an example of an actual thing he did) isn't just "thinking different things", it's thinking incorrect, false, damaging things and spreading them to a platform of young, impressionable people. Such as yourself, perhaps.
So yeah, if my child asks who made Minecraft I won't be letting them know.
@@tmack729 I never claimed Notch was omnipotent, nor is he specifically an artist. He is an artist by the standard usage of the term which applies to practically anyone who engages in some creative pursuit, which is more flippant than I'd like it to be tbh but arguments for the preservation of language typically don't go anywhere these days.
I keep seeing people crying about qanon and I really just have to say I can't be bothered to give a fuck. Wow, people want to investigate paedophilia in government and institutions of power? How awful and conspiratorial, you're not supposed to ever question something the FBI confirmed themselves in black and white is a real thing which has been going on since the 60s. If you want to make an argument about something which is actually fallacious then for the sake of it I'll propose for a moment that Notch is a flat earther - I don't give a fuck. He still made the game, it's still his idea, his effort and thus the credit belongs to him. If you have so little confidence in your skills as a parental figure or think so little of your child that you believe they'll become an indoctrinated lemming then maybe you should look more at yourself than what other people are perfectly allowed to do in their own time as their own personal interests. So again, don't be a child. And don't try to force your political or philosophical beliefs on your children either, that's kind of despicable if you could step outside your bubble for a moment and only breeds resentment.
Where's the block button on RUclips? There's a lot of bullshit flying around outside my "bubble" right now.
The production on this video fucking RULES.
When Brutal Legend came out it made perfect sense, it was from the guy behind games that touched on so many metal themes - bikes, death and the macabre, and there was a definite emo/punk feel around Psychonauts so it's odd hearing Tim talk about being worried about revealing himself as a metal fan, I guess fans of his games could tell he was probably into that. We need a sequel!
Loving the new 'Covid' friendly format and editing you got going on Sir. Top work as always, have a great Xmas!
Watching this, I'm reminded of just how much of my life has had Tim Schafer in the background, peering creepily at me from behind my monitor. I played all those old SCUMM/Lucasarts games when they were released. I played Psychonauts into the freaking ground, long after getting all the achievements. Broken Age, Headlander, The Cave, etc all have hallowed places in my Steam library. I live in the same area he's from too. Maybe I'm the creepy stalker!?
Tim has such a talent not only creative talent, but the ability to bring people together to create these amazing unique games. I met the voice actress for Lili, Nicki Rapp, she's so lovely & witty! I look forward to Psychonauts 2!
The more I learn about game development back in the day, the more I realize how much of a miracle it is that anything cool came out at all. Either you had to try to stay independent and get a big publisher to distribute your game, or hope that your publisher you were under was so mismanaged that they didn't even know you were making a game until you'd gone gold.
So that’s where the name came from. Fascinating.
Man, I swear the whole DoubleFine team and Tim Schafer himself are soooooo inspiring and legendary in a way that you don't believe that this kind of creative, hardworking and friendly gamedev company still exists in our times and in our society %) Had an absolutely pleasant time listening to this, thank you for making this talk happen!
WE NEED BRUTAL LEGEND 2
HELL YES! Why hasn't Microsoft already started on this?
@@Maveric My guess is EA have ownership in some regard to the IP as they published it. If they want to do another i'd imagine they need their approval :(
@@Maveric imaging all of the licensing they'd have to get sorted for all the music and stars
Include GWAR!!!
WITHOUT the RTS segments!
That was so fun to watch. I've been a fan of DoubleFine since the Psychonauts days on the original xbox, and man, the past few years they've made a lot of smaller games I haven't touched yet. But as others have said, he/they mysteriously left out Spacebase DF-9. :P
And 'Hack 'n' Slash'...
I’m always happy to see anything with Tim! Love Double Fine
Oh and side note Ron Gilbert is such a fascinating character, I would love to see one of these with him (especially because he seems to not talk about the Humongous days in too much detail normally)
Creating the 5th worst-reviewed Steam game is definitely not Double Fine's proudest achievement but it would have been super cool if Tim at least mentioned SpaceBase DF-9 and what went wrong.
Oh god double fine was involved in it .
Wow, if anything this has shown me how terrible having a publisher must be. Hats off to Double Fine for surviving so long!
This man has worked on many of the games that defined me as an artist, a gamer and a now, as a professional. I grew up playing Monkey Island and especially Full Throttle with my stepdad. He litteraly taught me how to boot up his dos computer and we would play these games with hot cocoa every saturday morning. He was like a father to me. Right before he passed, I showed him the Full Throttle remaster. He loved it. I think he was surprised how I still remembered it so fondly, since I was like eight years old at the time. To this day, I'm still unable to return to those precious old LucasArts titles made by Schafer and his peers, as they are too difficult to experience. One day though, I'll gladly return to them with my own kid.
Thank you, Tim.
Stacking is my favorite DF game. I loves how unassuming it looks and how much joy there is behind discovering the interactions. Another quality video
I'm kind of disapointed about the fact that there is no mentions about the failure that is Spacebase-DF9.
Yeah, it's frustrating that NoClip seems to be about showcasing ths history of things but only the history that doesn't involve their guests have to answer difficult questions.
He tried to avoid it. That part where he was talking about distrust from people, he avoided mentioning because it was from the failure of it.
There’s no issue with failure, it all happens to us, but avoiding talking about it is pretty poor form.
@@Jonty4560 They're still selling it on Steam though which is really shady
Interestingly it can be purchased in a bundle with another game of theirs called 'Hack 'n' Slash', which also seems to be mediocre and unfinished.
Now, abandoning your projects is one thing, but to keep selling them like normal is just wrong. - They could just bundle them in with other games like "bonus games that we didn't finish and you can try out" or something. Or just put them aside or move them to another developer or whatever. - "Spacebase" seems like it could still be great, but I don't know what happened at the time they let it go and thus why. - But they don't NEED to sell these games at all, actually, cause they're clearly not their money-makers.
@@PXAbstraction - Yea, and one thing that's interesting about things like projects and careers and companies is also the down-sides and what happens and how to deal with them and so forth. - People could actually learn from it. - And it's fine that a documentary or video shows highlights and whatnot, but it would definitely be a lot more interesting to go in-depth with more problematic stuff rather than just hitting some bullet-points. - I mean like how Tim here talks about some games and their challenges at length a bit more, but some games he glosses over. - And I know this was just an interview with him going through all they've gone in general, but I think almost each game could have its own (mini-)documentary.
“Good thing we didn’t know” is the name of a series that needs made.
Damn, I'm just now realizing how many games I like/are on my backlog that are from Double Fine 🤯
Spacebase DF-9?
Omg this video is making so nostalgic lol now I gotta go back and play all these games. *digs out xbox 360 and dusty kinnect from closet*
yup i needed my heart warmed today so thank you.
Good work Danny. Really appreciated this interview.
The Giant Bomb quick looks of Double Fine Action Theater and Kinect Party are some of the finest 30 minutes or so you can spend on youtube.
who can forget hotdog Klepek
Double Fine is always one of my favorite studios, You can tell that they are a group of amazing artists who are passionate about their work. Also I cant wait for Psychonauts 2!
Same!
From a creative standpoint, I think Double Fine's Amnesia Fortnight is the best idea a game developer could ever do. Not only does it help create several small, indie games (and brilliant ones at that), but it creates new potential creative voices. EVERYONE on the team gets to pitch and God only knows what you'll hear.
I'd honestly love if more game developers did something similar. Split their large team into smaller groups and give them more freedom to create something small and unique.
Shaft in space sounds really damn cool. I hope that gets revisited.
Man I love Tim Schafer and Double Fine. Brutal Legend is still one of my favorite games.
Tim Schafer is amazing. Grew up on a lot of his games, I'm sure they had a big effect on the weirdo I am today :)
Love his charisma, passion and energy, can't wait to play Psychonauts 2 and hopefully more wacky games in the future.
I love that Tim is using a Konami branded microphone (most likely from a Karaoke Revolution game).
also noticed this lol
Whatever you think about him, he's put out some of the craziest artsy games out there. I rather get 1 more game from DF than 100 more Call of Duties.
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Whatever you think about him"
Such a dumb, weaselly introduction. What does that even mean (rhetoric question to highlight the pointlessness, no real interest). Totally boneheaded.
@@sauce-k5359 he's a fairly controversial person online as the video mentions, eg he attacked minority groups that were complaining about gaming industry corruption at GDC
@@mikemaccana Funny way of saying that he joked about the proven fact that gamergaters used socket puppet accounts to pretend minorities supported them. That's not controversial unless you're a gamergater.
@@travellerinthedark you're saying the minority accounts Tim attacked weren't actually real. OK you sound like an ass and a bigot. Enjoy the block.
I was really interested in story behind Spacebase DF-9 development. But it's the only game he didn't even mentioned. Currently Spacebase DF-9 has a 18% user score on steam.
Spacebase seems kind of a sad story. They ran out of money to continue developing it after initial early access sales died down and the studio made the decision to wrap it early as it seems they couldn't afford to sink more money into it, so the lead designer on it was kinda left holding the bag... since he had more or less promised further development (or at least a roadmap of plans for future stuff) in good faith but ultimately he was overruled and had his game unceremoniously discontinued. He left the company after.
Yeah, they shouldn't have left that out, that's part of the story. Also Hack & Slash, DF's forays into early access didn't turn out to be their most successful products. Hack & Slash was so buggy I never finished it. :(
@@ninjadodovideos Yeah, that was sad. I get the impression that JP LeBreton was re-hired though, you occassionally get a glimpse of his presence from the Psychonauts 2 updates. So, that's nice. ^^
I never realized how much of DFs output I've consumed and been excited over. I still remember it being a bit of a coup when Brutal Legend released and was an RTS. Tim is such a soft spoken icon while DF has been part of massive and impactful points of the industry.
"Eccentric character" is an interesting way to describe Notch, I would've gone with something like "piece of shit transphobe"
Had no idea, just looked it up and also apparently a Q-anoner! Greeeeat.
I think Tim was just trying be polite to a former colleague, but yeah, Notch is an absolute thumb-person
Man, Brütal Legend it's by far one of my favorite games of all time.
I can listen to Tim Schafer talk all day!
Is it just me or does Tim look a lot like Bobby Moynihan with that beard, i would actually have a hard time distinguishing them from each other if you had a side by side picture of the both of them.
I ctrl+f'd his name to check if I'm the only one seeing this) He can totally play him... I mean, for the audience of like 10 people, but still.
Tim is my favorite person in the games industry.
Shoutout to Tim for using a Konami mic haha
Shame you didn't talk about Massive Chalice.
I long for the day when a point-and-click adventure game with the quality and presentation of Grim Fandango or Full Throttle make its return. Alas, that day may never comes.
Thimbleweed Park?
Only a truly good person could get dragged through all the brutality of this industry and come out smiling and optimistic about the future. Tim is a real hero and I want to give him a cuddle.
Damn, he worked with the guy who worked on Pajama Sam.... That was one of the first games I had ever played growing up. Crazy. I didn't realize how long he has been in the industry and his accomplishments. Great Doc as always Noclip! Happy Holidays.
Love doublefine, so many of my favorite games are by DF. I'm still waiting on a remaster or sequal to Iron Brigade tho
Brütal Legend is Still One of My
Favorite Games Ever!!! Amazing Soundtrack and I Would Love to See A Remaster of It
Another awesome video, Danny. I loved hearing Tim talk about his perspective with selling to Microsoft. I hadn't thought about it that way. I also loved how the video was mostly Tim just talking. I could listen to him talk forever.
Tim Shafer is class in a glass. So enjoyable to listen to. It's funny to hear him talk about the whole RTS fiasco with Brutal Legend. Also how it's ironic that Tim talks about the kinect game giving him the most joy to work on, for a piece of tech that not a lot of end users got a lot of joy out of using. 😂Love it
I love his vision but hated the RTS of Brutal Legend. I wanted more world exploration and action stuff with a kick ass sound track. Good for him sticking to his guns on developing what he envisioned but I am sad that there likely will never be a BL2
He forgot Massive Chalice! Brad Muir must be seething right now.
Also missing Hack n Slash and Spacebase DF9. I know the latter one especially is probably one of their most controversial titles, but it would've been interesting to have Tims perspective on their two early access ventures.
Yeah I really wanted to hear about spacebase DF9 but I guess it's just a sore subject for them?
32:15 Massive Chalice was briefly mentioned. But otherwise he doesn't go into detail on it, that's true.
Ok that's it, I'm starting a Brutal Legend 2 movement. This game was so cool and unique, it's a damn shame it didn't sell well considering the passion that got into it. It also left so many unanswered questions in the end.
Hmm, this interview made me sad actually. Especially with the Kickstarter part, it is clear that the dream of independent publishing has completely died out. And with that ending with Double Fine signing up with Microsoft in part for fear of being a victim of the streaming/streaming-like services shows the future to come for gaming. More consolidation, more DRM, less ownership of games, more part of the pie going to suits and shareholders instead of proper developers. Let's hope CDProject recovers from the Cyberpunk fiasco, GOG is the only platform that gives me some hope right now.
You realize that CDPR is not independent, right?
@@aolson1111 ???, I want CDProject to do well because they are the company behind GOG, which is the only online store with a commitment to DRM-free games.
@@michaelpalin8953 itchio is also a drm free storefront, not only for games tho so your point still stands i guess
What a great guy, thank you for making this.
...well. This was a delightful little gift to find after a rather unfortunate morning.
Thanks very much to Mr. Schaefer and the folks at Noclip. This really helped a lot.
"i had to block 11,000 people on twitter to make social media usable again. Luckily those people went off to run the United States government."
Lmao.
Tim's a great creator but Double Fine kickstarted a game, used the money to make half a game, then made another Kickstarter to finish the other half of the game. It's little surprise they faced backlash.
@@kilgoreplumbus1360 yeah, the way he spun that as him being a victim of some grand conspiracy that all the customers he screwed over somehow became republican politicians? Wtf man...
@@messiahmozgus Tim isn't off the mark there. Tim got attacked a lot because he positioned himself against all the misogynism that came to the forefront with GamerGate. Gosh, that was some time ago!
@@ameddayr that's a cute narrative you crafted. Shame it's BS. There was zero gender component to gamergate. It was about critics being bribed to shill for crap games and they got caught red handed.
And even if your claim wasn't BS, Tim is a male....so....
@@messiahmozgus yeah, he is a male and stood up against all the bullshit.
gamergate was all about stopping women and minorites from "ruining" of video games, the rest was pretense. gamergate made 8chan happen, and 8chan was a breeding ground for the alt-right. i was there, no need to gaslight me.
This guy's mind is so chaotic, I love it. He jumps from thought to thought so quickly, it must be havoc trying not to add every feature he must think up.
The Lemmy/Star Fox/Roman sword collection anecdote was hilarious, looks like a situation that could very well be part of a graphic adventure!
if i end up getting a job in the industry at some point, double fine is where i really wanna end up working. thanks for this doc, i could listen to tim talk for hours lol
After his comments on broken age I was really hoping to hear about space base df9 and what happened there.
Same here, but nothing :(
Or that he might have had some responsibility for why big crowdfunded games stopped after broken age..
Love Tim! The Broken Age documentary is the most honest look at how it is to really make video games.
I have so much respect for Tim Schafer.
Thanks for making this! :)
I love this man XD
34:29 "Justin Bailey was our biz-dev guy at the time,' - Holy crap, that's the name of the password in the original Metroid on NES that gave you all the powerups straight from the get go. It's an infamous passcode, kind of like Konami code but for Metroid fans, and no-one knows its origin. I mean, I know that the chances of a 'Justin Bailey' actually existing was...probable? But yeah, if you want to explore a rabbit hole look up Justin Bailey Metroid.
Great content, looking forward for more Tim and Double Fine in the channel!
This makes me regret not saying hi to Tim when I saw him walking down the street when I was in San Francisco.
24:29 - the cave was so deliciously dark and creepy, what a game
I don't know much about DF other than the first Psychonauts which I nabbed for free off Humble Bundle. Played it, finished it, loved it. Can't wait for 2 in 2021.
Funny, I was thinking you should do a DOS or Sierra video and the next moment later Tim mentions Quest for Glory with the name change from Hero's Quest.
Great video, never really got into Tim's recent games but I have obviously (to me, not knowing then but watching this I now know) played some of his older ones. Thank you for another awesome video!
There’s a great lesson to be learned about managing your visions and own desires, and making the decisions that are better for the people around you.
If Double Fine had not adapted and scaled to the digital market after Brutal Legend, I’m pretty sure their story ends there - and there won’t be a Psychonauts 2 later down the line.
lmao at Notch having two billion dollars of MS money and not financing Psychonauts 2, like wtf man. If I was Notch id have already burned all that money in weird videogames.
Well done, and shouts to the 4,000+ who helped get this going. 🔥💪🏾🙏🏾💯‼️
I played Iron Brigade last weekend, that game is still awesome. my friend who doesn't usually finish games wants to go back and gold every level etc.
I was wondering what Brutal Legend was gonna be until after its release. I thought it was gonna be Heavy Metal Zelda.
Somehow my brain interpreted Tim talking about 20 years as him talking for 20 minutes, and now near the end I realize I've been had.
I really enjoy these breakdown formats! :)
I really appreciate the TV B-roll cuts. Super clever, super smooth and it totally works in the context. My editor brain is salivating
Brutal Legend is one of my favorite games of all times and its criminal that we didn't get numerous sequels to it. The RTS stuff in the campaign kind of comes out of left field, but it works great. Game probably would have been received better today, as genre blending is a lot more common now.
happy action theater is a game that fully gets what young kids love & want in a game
One of the best answers to the copyright trolls or obsessed suers is:
"Thank you for you email! Indeed, there could be an issue, as we don't want anyone who hears about our game to search it on the internet and accidentally get to know your company or products. We will change the name and guarantee your anonymity that you enjoyed so far."
We need a Grim Fandango sequel
Hands down one of my favorite developers ever
it is so much fun watching yall get creative
Tim, keep making those games!! eventually we'll get a Grim Fandango sequel (or even better- a prequel 😁)
Day of the tentacle and Full throttle are great pieces of art 👌
Thank you Tim! ❤